How languages are learned (with Patsy Lightbown)
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- In the world of language there are few people as experienced, or as respected, as Patsy Lightbown, Distinguished Professor Emerita at Concordia University in Canada.
She has been working in the field of language teaching and language learning for more than 40 years as a researcher, writer, editor, and consultant and she literally wrote the book on how languages are learned.
In this interview we talk about language acquisition, language learning, language teaching and what life has taught her about the way education works.
I hope you enjoy it!
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The reason why I am learning English is that I want to understand and get information about topics I'm interested for. World and scientific news. I'm not good yet but I try to do my best. She is right. 3 month and also 3 years is not enough for this. I watched also your video where you are talking about the same. Your thoughts are the similar because you're not trying to play with our expectations. Thank you for your honesty first off all and thank you for your care.
Excellent comment.
Thank you for trying and practicing your English. I am trying to learn French and I appreciate this podcast setting realistic expectations. May I ask what is your native language. Thanks!
@@xbluebells Georgian
Lela, Could you please tell me how many hours of videos you watched to achieve this fluency in language ? Actually, I am learning french so your answer can greatly help me in discovering an estimate hours of daily language learning.
I was in tears watching the last minutes
the final answer was amazing!!! I literally cried, special with the part that she says " when you have to interrupt your language and have to use another you feel you are no longer the same person" I agree is so hard when you can`t express yourself in the same way that you do in your own language and it is a frustrating feeling.
I teach English as a foreign language in Brazil and I'd like to thank you for this incredible opportunity to learn more about language acquisition.
Hi, what are your takeaways? Would you be able to put it down in a few sentences how language is acquired?
Dear Christian
I'm glad to see that you had a speedy recovery after coming down with the virus. It's profoundly inspiring to watch your videos, not only as a fellow teacher but also as a student. The scientific-based content is fascinating, and it brings me so much joy to see how we can alter people's murky perception of language acquisition.
Thank you for inspiring us with your ever-growing passion and experience.
Warmest regards
very rich conversation. I studied French for 8 years, and I watched movies in french almost all my life and I'm not good yet, so I agree totally with her. to me knowing many languages nowadays, makes you an international person who sees in ND i mean if you know 3 languages so you see the world in 3D, but if you know just your dialect you see the world in black and white.
Wow, awesome response.
I'm very happy to see u you look too good and healthy BTW I was watching your videos thanks a lot for what you're doing cheers from Colombia .
I would love to visit Cali and dance. Where in Colombia do you live?
@@myenglishteachermissgreene538 hahaha cool I live in Cali the south area 😎 . In the meantime we are taking care cos of the covid.
@@myenglishteachermissgreene538 we used to dance folk music best know like musica andina ua-cam.com/video/AkIJlwsxJko/v-deo.html. It's amazing 😍 I missed it to much.
If the way that your guest spoke in this interview is her normal everyday’s life way of speaking. If she dit not simplify her way of speaking to facilitate the comprehension, then I can affirm that I understand English more than I thought so far, and it’s partly thanks to you Christian. I totally agree with her that learning a language is not a cumulative process; it is rather an interactive and cyclical process. Acquiring a language is a lifetime project, she said. Yes she is right if we consider the fact that we still have something to acquire in our own native languages. It was an enlightening and valuable interview. Thank you.🙏
Wow, great response!
Another delightful interview with the one and only Patsy Lightbown. It's interesting what she says about her French teacher, who inspired her when she was 16. I think we sometimes underestimate the effect we have on our students. You can't, Christian, because your followers say it often enough and in wonderful ways.
The end of the interview helped me to understand why for the first time it is important for us to accommodate the Spanish needs in the many children who come to the US. I never thought before how frustrating at that critical time in learning all the things that children need to understand and to be hampered and blocked by a language they don't know. Wow. That shakes me to the bone and put tears in my eyes.
Christian, thanks for picking up such interesting questions. I also want to gratitude Professor Emerita.
The most important information for me was said nearly at the end:
language is a crucial part of our identity. When language is interrupted by some way, you suddenly find yourself feeling not like yourself. This what so many adult language learners experience, they suddenly find themselves feeling childlike and dependent and they need to build up their confidence again in the new language.
I found it so true from my own experience.
Christian, thanks again for such wonderful interview series.
I got myself telling everyone "you're the best". So, I figured out no one is.
But, this interview, my goodness, was indescribable.
Thanks, Christian!
LOL, you are funny!
Here is my short story. It was 30 years ago I was studying at school and the subject as English language was introduced to us. I remember my passion for making my own word cards, I remember my eagerness to memorize the lyrics of Freddy Mercury's masterpieces for analysing it after. My life has changed drastically since then. And the main reason was that I wanted to be different to my classmates, my course mates at the University, my colleagues at work. Yes, to gain my own identity.
Hi, Chris
It´s a pleasure to watch these sort of videos with people with this huge experience in teaching english. I suposse everyone finds yourself way for learning a language.
In my case, I usually listen the videos trying whithout watching the translation in english, but sometimes I stop the viewing to write several words that they are new to me, or I can´t remember what is the right translation in my spanish language.
Thanks Christian for introducing great linguistics...I read her book...believe me it open up my mind...thanks again...god bless u
I am a beginner french learner and I got a jolt of excitement when I could write a simple french comment made of several sentences that communicated what I meant. I needed to look up several spellings and get help from google translate on a few words. Even more exciting the french podcaster responded to me with a comment that I could read. It was an amazing experience. I appreciate knowing that it really takes a lot of time to learn a language. I think this is the first time I have heard that. I was thinking there was something wrong with my ability to hear syllables. I like using Duo to learn along with Steve Kaufman's LingQ. I actually like kind of plodding my way through Duo's lessons. I guess it comes from years of being in school. But I also like going free range and using LinkQ to accumulate native content. This is a great interview. Thank you.
Thank you so much both of you 🙏🏼
That was one of the best videos I’ve watched from your channel so far! Actually for two reasons: the first for seeing you’re doing so well and had a speed recovery, and second for the opportunity to listen to so many good things from such an amazing person! I was and still am so impressed by the words of professor Lightbown. She is so incredible! Thank you so much for this amazing content, Christian!
I agree, I enjoyed it as well.
Hi! This is the second interview I've watched and I'm sitting here just feeling very grateful. So thank you for facilitating this! :) Wishing you all the best!
This was a great interview, as someone who is going through the process of getting credentialed to teach French this was really important.
You always providing such a enlightening pills of wisdom in these confinement days. Great
Glad to see you active and in good health! Keep on teaching!
I really enjoyed the interview, Thanks so much. Very helpful.
Amazing stuff, man! Thanks. The Canguro is so inspiring which makes it unique.
Hello, thank you so much for this beautiful interview. I'm a french student who wants to become an English teacher and thanks to you I really want to keep going. People like you are my source of inspiration, so thank you again really.
Love the way you both speak about the english learning process
Excellent video Christian, thank you. It brings me a lot of questions and thoughts about the importance of school and classroom not only in a english learning context. Amazing interview!
Glad to see you again and recovered. Can´t wait to hear you
wow, thank you for that. I loved your questions. You really used your time with her beautifully.
What a lesson man !! I'll never give up on this language even if it takes a long time . This video was quite motivating .. many thanks.
Great undestanding of teaching and learning by Patsy Lightbown, to be a teacher you must be a learner first. Great tools there guys. Thank you both!
Espetacular! I just loved it!
I am loved your way to motivate and encourage people to stay confident in learning a foreign language. Thanks for you job Teacher.
Thank God!!! I am relived to see you teacher! take care and thank you~
Thank you for this video, Christian! I think these interviews add value to your outstanding channel! I really share her point of view: "In the classroom what we really want to do is give people confidence that they can learn .......and give people tools and strategies they can use". that's it!
Thank you, dear Christian! I'm glad you're already OK!
This is a great interview, I listened to the unedited version and I'm glad I did.
She didn't use any jargon, it was easy to follow.
You can tell she is professional. No jargon at all.
Thank you so much for this!
What a beautiful end. Don't you think so? The music, her emotion taking her voice while "feelthinking" the answer, our passionated teacher Chris smiling, everything deeply touching.
What a Great Interview!
Excellent interview. As I have begun my own language learning journey, I have become very interested in how we learn languages, it is truly amazing.
Astonishing!
Christian, you are really good teacher! Thanks for your videos!
Welcome back my beloved inspirer ❤️
This is an awesome video.... Thank you so much Christian, keep interviewing the most well-known linguists. All your videos make me become an educated teacher. I love when she says: "be brave & put yourself in challenging situation, don't run away....". All her sentences help me stay motivated to finish my PhD. Now, I'm conducting my Dissertation in English as a Lingua Franca: Non-Native English Speaking Teachers on English Pronunciation, Identity & Accent from Various Ethnic Groups in Jakarta, Indonesia. Once again, big thanks Christian & I do like your videos with David Chrystal & Jenkins, they're so useful for me....
Hi Christian,
I'm a native English speaker from the US. I'm learning German, but I absorb deep motivation to sustain my language learning from your work. Your interview with this wonderful woman was truly amazing, and my motivation just skyrocketed. Thank you so much.
Russ
In Michigan, USA
Sondern meine Überlegung zu Ihrem Kommentar auf Englisch zu schreiben, denke ich jetzt auf Deutsch für die Antwort zu schreiben. Hoffentlich eines Tages werden Sie nach Europa gehen und da die deutsche Sprache leben. Gibt Ihr selbst mindestens 3 Wochen oder länger diese Entspürung zu errreichen. Hoch Deutsch werden allen verstehen, die Dialekte die man auf die Strasse hört ist noch was anderes. Bei Easy German auf You Tube werden Sie so etwas merken. ua-cam.com/video/7XW4BJ2B1uU/v-deo.html
The first advice is actually brilliant!
This teacher is taking notes, wonderful stuff, thank you both - vive la revolution!
Thanks a lot for this video. There is lot of wisdom.
We should keep learning. Learning a language is a life time project. It's totally true. Thank you for this interview. It was very important for me to hear it today being a teacher ( I mean expectations).
I always liked the way you are teaching. Because you always try find different and scientific aspects of language learning which me as well. Thank you so much for all your efforts.
Hey Christian, I think I’ve never left any comments on your videos, but just to let you know that they help me a lot on my learning language process and some of them are very inspiring!
Thank you so much 🙏
Thanks, Christian. Antonio from Sevilla, Spain.
Patsy still rocks
So glad to see u healthy... May you have a healthy life Sir... 🙏🙏
Very interesting! I find this valuable.
Best and happy teacher
Yey. My fave language teacher is so so back!
So happy to see you again teacher !!!
Greetings from Chili
Was wonderful and awesome class... Thanks for allow me watch that. I am fan of Canguro English.
WONDERFUL...
The purpose of learning a language must to be like, to understand others and to make others understand you, that's all. About understanding grammar, conditions, structures, it will come through your speaking experiance, you won't even bat an eye when you understand all thees things. It doesn't mean that you don't need to learn the grammar and other things, but to realise, for what you need this language.
Thank you very much one more time Christian. I am really happy you are better, and thanks for increase me to be interested and to continue with English language
Very interesting teacher!
Lovely talk ! More and more it is realized that to learn and develop the learning of a language is needed some kind of motivation in order to bring that language to our own actual universe. I really , as a teacher, try to create real moments with my students.
When in the end of the video i had heard melody, I thought that i will cry😂
Awww, so sweet.
useful and motivated information
Fantastic woman!
You are always the best
I have see wacth your lesson and l learning a lot. Tanks
I feel that English is part of me now more than anytime. I like it and I try to immerse myself in it because I want to have confidence and communicate with other humanbeings. I don't want to lack that and find myself lost and dependent on others.
Hi Christian, I hope you are well on the way to recovery by now and all is good with your friends, family and students. Anyway, my name is Andrew and I am an Irish TEFL teacher and a PhD student in mathematical physics (don't ask how that happened). I am writing this post just to say thank you on behalf of my colleagues and me.
I chanced upon your channel when doing some random searches for my online classes during the current lockdown and I have to say your channel is a treasure trove of great stuff. I let my workmates and students know about it and they love what you do too. Well, I just wanted to add my tuppence worth among the thousands of glowing comments. Keep up the good work! P.S. I love chocolate biscuits and dad jokes too!
안녕하세요. 좋은 영상이었어요. 저는 대학원생이에요. 지금 한국에서 영어 교육 공부하고 있어요. 이 교수님의 쓴 책으로 공부하고 있어요. 앞으로 애들과 일하고 싶어요. 이전에 3년 동안 유치원에서 영어 가르쳤어요.
Amazing content! Learning a new language is thinking in a different way! I’m passionate about it! Professor X here. Stay safe!
-ads before the video "you can learn english in just three months"
-seeing the interview "it will take all your life"
Thats real shit man, thank you!
Mastering English is so helpful to me in learning other languages because there are abundance of foreign language learning resources available in English than my own mother tongue language. 🤗
Another great interview! How about an interview with Keith Folse. I think his perspective is very valuable.
thank's man...awesome...
Great sir
I love you teacher. One day I would like to speak with you so you can see how you have helped
Nice!
I totally agree, language is such a big identity factor and it should be allowed to stay with the individuals more, I wish California had more bilingual elementary schools
Only the best UA-cam Channel ever. Find your own curiosity :D
Beautiful. Just beautiful :') ❤
Be save! All the best to you! 💪✌
I found it all so true , I totally agree with the fact that the way languages are taught is mostly a big non sense but in exactly the same way so many things are unfortunately, with exams as a perspective ,what a pity . And very true, language is the key ....
Thank you Christian for this.very very nice interview ❤️ and by the way , I love grammars too... English , French , German ( my favorite one 😅) , Spanish...
Ahh... Lightbown and Spada. Remember them well from my DELTA. Great interview! 😀
The last minute ❤️ I'd really appreciate it if you could interview Dornyei or Ema Ushioda someday
Lightbown & Spada :) Legends of the field... every DELTA qualified teacher has referenced you!
I exactly agree with her.
be brave!!! thank's a lot
Thank you Christian for this interesting interview. Patsy Lightbown touched on a number of key areas in my opinion (Krashen, extended reading, meaning-based teaching, non-sequential learning etc) which made me watch to the end. I was a little disappointed that the interview seemed to focus a lot on the problems associated with textbook learning and would have been fascinated to listen to Lightbown develop her views on language acquisition. Anyway it was a great video and much appreciated. I wonder if you could do a similar one with Blaine Ray?
On another note, I saw you were in Turin in a recent video. Is that where you live? For some reason I thought you were based in Australia but now that I have just figured that the name of your channel is written in Italian I’m connecting the dots. The reason I ask is because I am in Pinerolo and I just feel we would have quite a lot to talk about. Take care, keep up the fantastic work, and hope to hear from you soon! Alexander
Amazing talk/ interview! Thank you so much for posting this video! I am an English teacher from Russia. I've started posting English classes for beginners on my channel (Little Angel Reader) where I use the information you're talking about without even realizing it - just from the personal experience of what works and what doesn't. :)
She was born to leatn and teach. It came naturally to her as God or Goddess of grammar kissed her in her cradle 😁😁 Thank you dear teachers for this wonderful conversation. Keep safe👍👍
we are chinese, we don't hv a lifelong time to acquire English, our future career development requires us to acquire English within a very short period, it is quite a shame that I still can find any inspiration which is helpful for us to acquire the ability of generating sentences spontaneously like native speakers. I believe that ability can be acquired in very short period but we still hvnt found out the way yet... the acquisition of language are still in mystery nowadays
Yes, learning rapidly is the only choice. Good luck with your English studies.
I believe in you. Whatever happens I would not give up subject of science for children.
The king of language is alive long life to the king of language thanks Christian ,God Bless you
That was a really nice interview, it was an interesting point of view approach.
How can I listen to your podcast offline? Can I download them?
I quiet understand English as a listener but when it comes to speak or read the case change, even when I am reading children books I understand the concept but when I try to translate to my children I blocked and make me feel very frustrated, so my question is how can I teach English to my kids in a daily basis to improve my English as well I am teaching them? Should I read the book to them even if they don't understand what am I reading? Or should I read and translate to them? They always said to me " mum I don't understand what are you saying" and I can't motivate them to keep listening. Please help me up with some piece of device. Thanks.
The last point she made, from 29:45 to 30:25, is so crucial.
It sounds logical and therefore obvious, but instead I believe that often it is no more than a hidden sensation.
Through study, I knew English quite well before moving to an English-speaking country; however the variety and depth of the ways in which you want to express yourself in your 24h/365d life just cannot be anticipated, and you find yourself as living with the handbrake on. The same applied to when I started living in Spain for a while starting from zero Spanish.
Now in my case I can spot this feeling but I acknowledge it has been mild - because anyway I already knew English, and Spanish is relatively easy and intuitive to learn from Italian.
But if I think of all the those who find themselves in tougher situations and start to feel like they're really not being who they are, and on top of that might also be seen as banal by the people surrounding them, I see how hard it can be.
A girl who loves grammar at school is a rare case.