Haney vs Garcia - Post Fight Analyst by a Boxing Coach

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  • @joemonteleonezollo4967
    @joemonteleonezollo4967 Місяць тому +7

    Garcia tried to get separation and not get hit by a sneaky shot. He hurt him then wasn't going to sloppy. He showed patients . Waited for another opportunity, hurt him again. Garcia was smart. Haney was beat it was not close. 12- 12 ridiculous, and what's wrong with boxing. The ref gave Haney time and was bias .

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      Thanks for your opinion. We can agree to disagree 🤝

    • @josephnavarro3620
      @josephnavarro3620 Місяць тому

      Compubox showed Haney only winning 3 rounds with punches landed and that is not taking into consideration all of the knockdowns and also the ones not called. A version of Ryan Garcia that is going through a lot and didn't train properly clearly won and beat Haney pretty easily and it's hard for people to accept. Ryan gets judged on looks more than anything so the perception of him is that he's not a real boxer or one that only can do one thing which isn't true. The perception on Haney also isn't accurate. He's been fighting old small guys that he had huge size and age advantages on and since he was undisputed at 135 people tend to highly overrate him. He lucked out and was able to get all 4 belts by just beating George Kambosos. He never beat any of top guys at 135. Anyway I agree with you Sir.

    • @TechieTard
      @TechieTard Місяць тому

      @@coachKeithKeppnerFrom a former fighter, you are disagreeing with an entire community, but you know better I'm sure. You see what no one else can see, I'm aware. Haney got slaughtered, Ryan sniped the punches.

  • @jrgv1566
    @jrgv1566 Місяць тому +4

    Lost me at the 12/12 look at the compubox and all the knock downs 😂

  • @dzejsdzejs
    @dzejsdzejs Місяць тому

    Glad I found this channel. Thank you for all the valuable content. Good luck!

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      Thank you my friend! Always working on new ideas. Let me know if there's a topic or concept that you'd want me to make a video on!

  • @gussstavo
    @gussstavo Місяць тому +2

    I was SHOCKED i have to go to the gym today and face some guys that i told there was no way in hell garcia could even get to the 12...

  • @kidglove55
    @kidglove55 Місяць тому

    Everything you said is absolutely correct. I am a nobody, trying to tell anybody about somebody, who can save everybody lol. Ok, I went somewhere else. When you spoke about Tommy Hearns and Pipino Cueavas, I was thinking about Hearns knocking out Duran. You are also correct about Ryan not listening. Garcia could have, should have finished Haney way before the decision.

  • @cicirunner
    @cicirunner Місяць тому

    Watching the fight after you know the headlines kills the anticipation of it

  • @InHisThirties
    @InHisThirties Місяць тому +1

    Ryan has a very strong pedigree and is debatably more naturally talented than haney. They also both have the same fight experience. People really just put so much weight on bizarre behavior and ignored fundamentals.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      I agree he is the more naturally talented fighter absolutely

  • @carlostorres8771
    @carlostorres8771 Місяць тому

    perfect example of a know it all.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      Thanks for the comment What did you think about how the fight played out and the points that I brought up?

  • @marsflee3815
    @marsflee3815 Місяць тому

    You're wrong. If you can mimic the bad stuff, but can make it work for you, you're good to go. Coaching can be dynamic if you don't close your mind and be open to new ideas.

  • @paidapps733
    @paidapps733 Місяць тому +1

    If you take away....
    you're right.
    Pathetic.
    Whoever you train needs another coach.
    Its boxing.
    Reality matters.

  • @breyanathompson9600
    @breyanathompson9600 Місяць тому +1

    That makes absolutely no sense lol the whole world knows Ryan has a mean left hook why would Devin be watching out for Ryan’s “Jab” lol

  • @jacobariworld5350
    @jacobariworld5350 Місяць тому

    Even compubox without the knockdowns bring Garcia up 8 to 4 even without the knockdowns!

  • @user-fg2fi3xq3k
    @user-fg2fi3xq3k Місяць тому

    As far as turning the back it's the feet that you look at how his feet are lined up is what matters and it's not really turned his back not disputing what you say but just give it an opinion

  • @mbsnyderc
    @mbsnyderc Місяць тому

    To me Ryans speed is big a factor as his power.

    • @lsraeliPiglets
      @lsraeliPiglets Місяць тому

      *_F = mv_* ; where _F_ is the force, _m_ is the mass, and _v_ is the velocity.
      In terms of Newtonian physics, what this tells us is that Ryan's speed is a predictor of his power.

    • @TechieTard
      @TechieTard Місяць тому

      @@lsraeliPigletsROFL, it's what I was going to put down. Game knows game 'double pump peace sign'.

  • @marcosrubalcaba9891
    @marcosrubalcaba9891 Місяць тому +1

    So if Haney would of won this fight would you think different?

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      Yes, as I stated in the video multiple times, I repeatedly tell my guys to not watch Haney because of some of The things he does which led him to have problems in this fight. If Haney would have won the fight I would have not been reminded though of how helpful power can be, so I appreciate the reminder, which is something that I was raised on valuing when I boxed and was built into my style. As a coach I repeatedly have to help guys not rely on their power and build up their skills which led me to the line of thinking I had going into this fight.

    • @marcosrubalcaba9891
      @marcosrubalcaba9891 Місяць тому

      I get what you're saying now I should of being paying more attention to you're video more. You are right about that keep up the good work I'm subscribing to your channel right now.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      @@marcosrubalcaba9891 thanks brother and I appreciate it!

  • @alexvan1346
    @alexvan1346 Місяць тому

    Isn’t there a difference between holding, or even holding excessively, versus clinging onto your opponent after the ref says break and tries to peel your arms off of him?
    It seems that a boxer could train to counteract excessive holding, for example, the way Beterbiev does with inside work. But how can a boxer train for a scenario where his opponent is hurt, the ref says break, and then 3-4-5 seconds go by while the ref is still trying to peel the opponent off of you and he is recovering.
    It seems like pretty much the only thing you can do in that point is strike your opponent, the way Garcia did.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      I understand where you're coming from, but trust me if that is your Mo in an amateur fight or a low-level pro fight that is not high profile a move like that could have easily led to a DQ. Again, as I said in the video, let's say I'm about to knock a guy out and he pushes down on my head and keeps pushing down on my head even when the referee is trying to take him off of me and seconds are ticking by... Should I hit him in the nuts or allow the referee to do his job even if it is slow? Garcia doing that led to even more time on the clock while the referee reprimanded him and took a point. So even if the referee did not take a point, it still would have been a warning which would have again cost an extra few seconds versus Garcia simply letting the ref do his job imperfectly. There are many things that you can train for that would have made the overall fight much different, and if he would have not smothered himself so much, he wouldn't have spoiled his dinner and would have negated a lot of the holding that Haney was doing. Let me know if that all makes sense and I appreciate the comment!

    • @alexvan1346
      @alexvan1346 Місяць тому

      I agree with what you’re saying, and I guess as a coach, you can’t tell your guys to do these things. But after watching professional boxing after all these years, and watching the referees not do their job… Seems like Lomachenko should have punched Salido in the balls. Mayweather’s opponents should have punched him on the back of the head when he ducked below the waist. And Garcia should have thrown that punch still because at least maybe Haney continued to be rocked a little bit more for the rest of the fight, and it got the crowd excited, and maybe even skewed the judges to his side a little bit more (aside from losing the one point). At least he wasn’t a helpless sitting duck in that situation, watching the opportunity to hurt his opponent slipping away from him

    • @alexvan1346
      @alexvan1346 Місяць тому

      Just to show you where I’m coming from, my friend and I always talk about starting a new boxing league. Where all the Boxing rules would be the same. Except if somebody hugs you, you have the right to head butt and elbow them, but they don’t have the same right to do it to you :)

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому +1

      @@alexvan1346 oh yeah I feel you and really like I'm signing the video if they just simply were more strict on the rules and didn't ref these guys with kid gloves on all the time it would be a much more entertaining and exciting sport. As a short fighter, I personally get very annoyed when people do certain fouls that they would do to me.

  • @SHDerKhmr
    @SHDerKhmr Місяць тому +1

    I got most of what you said. Here are my opinions:
    1- Your dad passed knowledge to you. You were boxer and now a coach. Yet, you don't believe in power. I just don't get it.
    2- One of the other factors was Ryan speed that delivered the punches (ghost) with good power produced incredible effects.
    3- Compubox shown that during most of the uneventful rounds, Ryan landed more power shot than Devin. That was why there were big gaps in the other two judges.
    4-You told your boxers (students) not to watch the fight to prevent picking bad habits. I totally disagreed. Students always learn something. For example, if your students watched this fight, they would learn not to do all those bad things that you are pointing out, besides some good things as well.
    5- Remember, boxing is an entertainment sport. It is not like a surgeon operating on a patient. It should have wild factors as well.

  • @user-fg2fi3xq3k
    @user-fg2fi3xq3k Місяць тому

    I give you a lot of credit it's hard for you to say you're wrong but I see you do it anyway so that's what's up

  • @williamoleschoolarendt7016
    @williamoleschoolarendt7016 Місяць тому

    I said for 3 years that Devin had holes in his defense and he hadn't faced anyone at the time who could expose those holes! Ryan had the speed and power to expose those issues! I tried telling people there was a reason why Bill and Devin avoided Tank Davis because to me Tank and Shakur have the best Boxing IQ from 140 on down! Both Tank and Devin would have beaten Devin and I'm not trying to disrespect Devin I'm just saying what I see! My father taught Boxing in the Navy before and during WW2 and he also taught me! I'm 59 and been watching Boxing since the Ali vs Frazier days which my first fight watching was Ali vs Frazier 2! Anyway I'm about to subscribe! Peace ✌️ ☮️

    • @williamoleschoolarendt7016
      @williamoleschoolarendt7016 Місяць тому

      Devin every time he throws his right to the body he drops his shoulder and extends which to me is a no no. Devin has multiple issues with his defense and JoJo Diaz showed that he could be hit with the left hook plus he is open for the upper cut!

  • @joemusse5266
    @joemusse5266 Місяць тому

    HOW MUCH DID YOU LOST MONEY WISE?

  • @ldavilafyi
    @ldavilafyi Місяць тому

    You seem to be wrong a lot. Mayweather is unique. He should not be your example. Right hand should've been glued to his ear and use his footwork to avoid the bullrush. Also smother Ryan's piwer by inside fighting. Are there any humble coaches out there?

  • @gussstavo
    @gussstavo Місяць тому

    What would you have said to haney if you were in his corner?

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому +1

      F@$# his jab, just keep that right on the side of your face, chin tucked and jab to your left. Sweet and simple

    • @TechieTard
      @TechieTard Місяць тому

      @@coachKeithKeppnerMy GAWD you are fkn blind, what's scary is that you're a boxing coach. Haney was never looking for Ryan's jab, EVER! You see what you THINK you saw. Haney was LEGITIMATELY anticipating Ryan's left. What Haney left out of the equation was that Ryan was WAITING for Haney's jab. You don't do enough film study, and if you do, you miss what's going on. Look at Ryan's historical fights up to the present. His left hook is so fast, that he will eat a left jab to trade his left hook. Why wouldn't he, a jab isn't going to knock you out, but Ryan's left hook will. The only hope Haney had that night was to either go Southpaw and circle right with his right glove up and stay tucked to avoid the liver shot. OR fight in the pocket. Well, Haney can't fight in the pocket, it's why he hugs, Ryan counters in hugs, clinches and the pocket. Haney never had a chance against Ryan. "Feint the jab Haney, feint the jab, and keep retreating, Ryan's waiting for it to counter it when you jab, it' too predictable"

  • @garfield4530
    @garfield4530 Місяць тому

    Ho are you to tell people who they can watch.

  • @user-fg2fi3xq3k
    @user-fg2fi3xq3k Місяць тому

    Hey bro you need to catch up with the news man it was all just an act he told you that

  • @PatrickHausenfleck-zf4lf
    @PatrickHausenfleck-zf4lf Місяць тому

    Okay...let me shed a real light on this....Ryan Garcia CARRIED DEVIN HANEY...he could have knocked him out at Any Time 🙌💯.. These guys have a long ..long History....if Ryan had not had this Emotional connection Devin would have been thoroughly Massacred. In a Nutshell,this is what happens when a fighter meets an opponent with a different set of skills, has power...and shares a very similar Size ratio🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌😉

  • @MichaelLoconsole-wb6gm
    @MichaelLoconsole-wb6gm Місяць тому

    ”I’m not perfect….as Ryan Garcia’s not perfect” lol you can’t even hide your disdain for Garcia. Haterrrrr

  • @jrgut5403
    @jrgut5403 Місяць тому +1

    This guy oviously hates ryan

  • @beauyerks7413
    @beauyerks7413 Місяць тому

    What are u talkin about mayweather was always turning his back and duckin below waist...both illegal

  • @cullenmorris9454
    @cullenmorris9454 Місяць тому

    Excellent analysis in my opinion. Coach Keppner knows his boxing; I would encourage anyone interested in the sweet science to come visit Coach and the other coaches at his gym in Athens, GA (Keppner boxing) and get to work. Superior technical and fundamental teaching.

  • @lsraeliPiglets
    @lsraeliPiglets Місяць тому

    CompuBox suggests that you may want to do a better job of analyzing fights; remove your biases - counting punches is elementary arithmetic. According to CompuBox Garcia won 8 rounds out of 12 on punches alone; with only one of those rounds being subjectively determined based on power punches versus the volume of jabs.
    Look, Garcia's social media antics are completely annoying... 100% agreed, but as a boxing fan/pundit you MUST stick to the facts, rather than allowing your opines of his lifestyle to seep into and influence your analysis. And saying that Ryan won, not because Ryan has skill and natural talent, but because Devin Haney is a flawed boxer type analysis (post fight) is not a valid critique when considering Haney was, up until this fight, being considered by many to be in the P4P discussion. The time for that critique would have been during your prediction of the fight. What this post fight comment screams is your lack of objectivity, and frankly it's tantemont to a lazy analysis. It's a shallow ad hominem that diminishes your abilities as a boxing analyst, where your credibility takes the hit.
    And while we're at it, you can't call yourself a fight fan and miss fights like this; being dismissive of a championship fight without explaining the basis for your decision not to watch is not corrected by a milquetoast apology. It just makes you look like a silly casual.
    There is no room for unfounded criticism and hating for the sake of your wee feelings.
    And btw, stop talking about YOU before, during, or after your analysis. No one cares. And lastly get rid of that boring music loop; it lacks authenticity. Let's hope for the sake of your students, you're a better boxing coach than a fight analyst and UA-camr.

  • @Augustinemelecio
    @Augustinemelecio Місяць тому +1

    Although I understand where you are coming from, it’s not totally unbiased. You are a Garcia hater and that’s ok. I say this because you can NOT tell me you didn’t know Garcia had world class power but went ahead and gave him no shot against Haney. That can’t be true and if it is that’s even worse because you judged this fight on opinion and not facts because you didn’t do your research. Ryan Garcia is 24-1 with 20ko’s. Did you honestly not know he had that kind of power. I mean, I’m not saying he’s Mike Tyson but as you mentioned, Wilder is nothing BUT power and still has a punchers chance despite being the most unskilled heavyweight champ I ever seen. So I must deduce that you are still hating. PLUS even Stevie Wonder saw that the ref was on bs and people you respect agree, yet you STILL had to find some way to defend that bs point taken away. EVERYONE, even one judge and the ref was rooting against Garcia and he STILL won. Fight should have been stopped. May have costed Haney a broken jaw and his future.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому +1

      Hey, everyone has biases and everything else I just choose to acknowledge mine publicly. I said I am doing my best to be unbiased and it's fine that you accuse me of still being biased that's your right to do so.
      I didn't say I forgot Garcia had world-class power I said I undervalued power in this equation.
      Many other boxing experts have also said that the point being taken away was legitimate. Just because I respect somebody doesn't mean I'm going to automatically change my viewpoint and echo what they say like a fanboy.
      Thanks for the comment and we can agree to disagree 🤝

    • @Augustinemelecio
      @Augustinemelecio Місяць тому

      @@coachKeithKeppner fair enough. I would normally give the ref the benefit of the doubt, but the point deduction wasn’t the only suspicious thing he did. It’s likely there may have been a bias, in my opinion.

    • @TechieTard
      @TechieTard Місяць тому

      @@coachKeithKeppner I didn't even follow these two fools. I follow the middle and super middleweight, because it's my fighting weight. I found out who Ryan was when he lost to tank (weight drained and not allowed to hydrate). I found out who Haney was when he robbed Loma (yes, the score cards and ringman ship). When I found out these two guys were going to fight, I went and watched all of both highlights. I said to a group, Ryans a WAY better fighter and boxer, he's going to maul this guy Haney. All these guys laughed at me, after the fight they said to me what made me think Ryan was going to win, I said "You guys may be fighters, but your shtty stupid fighters, and I'm a fast and SMART fighter/boxer, they all know I'm better, it's not a question. I said Haney is a fraud, he doesn't clench, he illegally holds. In the 80's and below he would have had points deducted from illegal holding AND excessive clinching, only that he doesn't clinch, he just hugs. He does it when he overreaches a jab, missed a power punch, is under attack, the guy cannot fight in the pocket, he cannot dance, he only punches and holds. I said, Ryan will wait for Haney's jab, eat it to trade the hook, it doesn't matter if Haney's glove is up or not, Ryan will just change the angle of the hook. He's going to get drop on a jab for hook exchange. Then I said, on a break, Ryan's going to get frustrated from Haney's excessive holding, he's going to short right Haney, step back, and left hook him and drop him. He will probably also get him again on one of Haney's bull runs to hug Ryan during an exchange, Ryan's too fast for Haney's hugging charge. EACH ONE OF THOSE THINGS HAPPENED! That's called speed, skill, and ring IQ. Ryan is a legit world class fighter, but he hasn't gotten the same fights Haney has. Haney weight bullied, Prograis, Loma, Linares and thought he would weight bully Ryan. Haney enters the day of weighing 25 pds more, at 165. up to 10 pounds heavier than other fighters. And he STILL hugs when he's in trouble. That equates to a shitty fighter, as you said, that is not world class, but managed to be exposed. Ryan's loss to Tank was a hungered, weakened, dehydrated, NOT ALLOWED to hydrate, Ryan Garcia. That crazy kid STILL went after him!

  • @danieltrivino5872
    @danieltrivino5872 Місяць тому

    Coach the referee got bribed by Bill Haney. Ryan beat the game in it's crooked glory. Ryan is not dedicated enough and he will be humbled by a great boxer. Boot's Innis, Spence, Teofimo, and Shakur these fighters are in a higher level. Ryan is a payday and I pray that he will be realistic and train without media. Work on your head movement and work on other strikes.
    Body shots ,right hand strength exercises and a lot of roadwork. Up hills and stop turning your back. Thanks for your opinion.

  • @LuketheDukepro
    @LuketheDukepro Місяць тому +1

    Who the hell is this guy to say “ don’t watch him” why should we listen to you? What bad habits do you have?

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      Can you name me an all time great boxing coach that you respect and would listen to?
      I think you are having trouble understanding what a boxing coach is and does.

    • @coachKeithKeppner
      @coachKeithKeppner  Місяць тому

      In addition to that question about what is a boxing coach throughout history that you would listen to and respect, where did I say that my fighters should watch me boxing and mimic me?😂😂😂😂

    • @LuketheDukepro
      @LuketheDukepro Місяць тому

      @@coachKeithKeppner I guess you have a point and you are clearly credited. Just sayin you can watch these guys and still take away something from the negatives and positives. Im not a fighter and for many like us we watch these fights because they are entertaining. I see you though señor.

    • @albertchavez7645
      @albertchavez7645 Місяць тому

      What i saw that is very lmportant. I'm not a boxing couch,but I saw your fighter land on his a$$ 5 times. Not slips , just hard punishment!!!

  • @PatrickHausenfleck-zf4lf
    @PatrickHausenfleck-zf4lf Місяць тому

    I've always consistently said that Devin Haney is the One-Trick Pony and is not nerely as good as he appears...time was not on his side.. and at this point he has absolutely NO positive 140-or above future as a champion.

  • @LuketheDukepro
    @LuketheDukepro Місяць тому

    I will say this! A lot of these younger fighters do look unrefined and don’t look as sharp or tactical as their older peers. I still think mayweather jr could come out of retirement and win against Ryan or tank

  • @cesarescobar7049
    @cesarescobar7049 Місяць тому

    After this “analysis” I would seriously question this guy being my, or my kids coach.
    Dismissive and pompous.
    I’m not a hater, I’m just pointing something out.

  • @jacobariworld5350
    @jacobariworld5350 Місяць тому

    Dude, you must not have eyes....8 to 4 even without knockdowns!!!!! Garcia outboxed him even without knockdowns.. reallkllky biased buddy!!!

  • @hb91191
    @hb91191 Місяць тому

    This channel is toxic for boxing. Now he wants to apologize for for being ignorant. I know this dude is no boxing coach 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @user-mf1tr4yh9z
    @user-mf1tr4yh9z Місяць тому +1

    11min in and nothing

  • @user-xd3ms9fp2l
    @user-xd3ms9fp2l Місяць тому

    Dude your a hater of Ryan. The ref didn't give a warning. While Hayney was wrestling holding grabbing for dear life who should have been warned that this is not wrestling. Your so off on your weak assumptions and assessments. Secondly this fight should have been over in the 7th round. The ref saved Hayney repeatedly and refused to call the multiple knock downs. Let me not talk about the false 8 counts once again favoring Hayney.
    Lastly your own statement you were not interested in this fight other than your a Haney fan. Cut it out your clearly Bais

  • @luisdominguez4967
    @luisdominguez4967 Місяць тому

    You hear this guy now they want to take away garcias punching power now to try to make sense of things theyre minds are broken😂😂😂 im loving this if i wasnt late to work i would have 1,000 n some change on me i was gonna bet 100 on Ryan winning wouldve been my first time betting too 😭😭 a chance like this wont come around again hopefully when i do decide to pop my cherry i end up winning 😂😂 i wish i Had just gone late to work and i had da receipt to rubb on ya faces especially those that lost money on haney😂😂😂😂