Presumed Innocent Recap / Review & Theories | Who Killed Carolyn?!
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Dan Jules & Bag Face break down Episodes 1 & 2 of Apple TV's Presumed Innocent. How are you enjoying this show? Do you have any theories? Drop them below to be featured in future videos.
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Shocked people haven’t seen this movie. It’s great. It’s deviated some already. I wonder if the killer will remain the same. I think they are going to change that. Good show so far
Dang. Going to have to stay out of this one. I read the book by Scott Turow when it came out in 1987. STILL remember it (how, I have no idea), so...Here's what happens...(KIDDING, but can't wait to see your reaction when you find out who the killer is). The Harrison Ford version was pretty true to the book.
I wonder if they'll change it up for the series...but I respect you have holding back the info 😂- how are you enjoying the show so far?
@@sceneinvaders Haven't watched yet. Wanted to hear your first recap to see how close it is to the book. My wife didn't read the book (long before we met) so I'll have her watch too, and see how she processes it. Turow was the original modern legal thriller writer, as this came out 2 years before Grisham's first one. Grisham made the movie money, though.
Turow writes his books (which I believe all take place in the same county/universe as Presumed Innocent) in first-person present, which can be a little jarring at first. So, the adaptations allow more points of view than the books, and can add interesting stuff.
The Kindle version of Presumed Innocent is only $2.99 right now (ironic, since the county the story takes place in is "Kindle County"). Could be a good companion for the show.
@@MikeMacYT that's so cool! Thanks for that I'll have to listen to it, maybe just not go past the events in the show so I can be surprised (if they follow the book directly)
I think the wife did it… she’s extremely to calm, understanding, & forgiving! She killed that woman for f’n her husband …taking him away from her!
It's going to be Rusty's daughter, and the tool that was used in the murder is going to be in the shed... also, the prosecutor was in love with Carolyn and since he is jeaalous of Rusty, he is trying to do everything to finally stick it to Rusty - but he didnt kill her.
I will have to stay out the comments as well guys…I saw the movie from the 80’s
You can still engage and just base stuff off of what the show gives you 🤷♂️- would love your feedback
90’s. The book earlier.
Okay, I read the book and saw the film. Btw the film is phenomenal so I'm confused as to why this needs ro be a series. But maybe they'll change or expand the story. Either way i hope it's good.
I wonder if they change it up for the series. What would you think about that?
@@sceneinvaders okay, here's the thing, the book expands on Rusty's affair, he contemplates on why it happened, issues with his own father, ect. I don't want to spoil anything for anyone who hasn't seen or read the material. But I think I would be extremely disappointed IF the guilty character is changed in this new series. The way it played out in the book/movie was phenomenal, creepy and left me wondering what next? Of course the what next was answered in the form of a 2nd novel called Innocent but that was years later. The series for me will all hang on the reveal. But to be fair the reveal in the book, which was written in 1987 with the film following right behind it in 1990 was for me more shocking. So maybe for this modern age it should be changed to keep it engaging. Did anything that I just typed make any sense? I hope I haven't ruined anything for you.
Yea the Movie was excellent. And the Attorney that was murdered in the movie was very beautiful to me. I just remember her eyes I haven't seen that movie since I was a Teen.
I don't think the wife did it. Why would she tell him " you have to stop loving her" . She also seemed genuinely of the opinion that the affair was over. Strangely I always have to think about the living corpse that she played in America gods with flies buzzing around her. That distracts me alot or maybe I mix her up with a a role she played in Preacher
Why was Rusty cleaning the shearing wheel in his own car ?
Good question I didn't think to look more into that, interesting
I took it as stress and OCD kicked in but I was also pretty baked
Had to delete my comment because I realize a lot of people did not read the novel or watch the 1990s movie if this is your first time watching it enjoy the killer is front and center though
Thanks for the comment. Our coverage for Ep 3 drops tomorrow at 9:45 EST. Hope to see you in the comment section. And hey maybe they change the killer for the show, ya never know
My theory: The kid. Her son.
Ohhh that's intriguing
@@sceneinvaders just a gut feeling… could be totally incorrect
I had the same feeling, there was something suss about him. Might not be the murderer but there is def something he is hiding.
@@Jordynmarie25 totally… could be his hair hiding his eyes 🙄
SAME. There’s something dark and brooding about him that feels off. Plus it sounds like she kinda just up and started her whole life over without him…that’s gotta cause some deep rooted trauma.
He may have been old enough to follow the Bunny Davis case, if we’re thinking of why he’d kill her in such a similar fashion.
First time watching your show. This was a great breakdown! Presumed innocent has drawn me in for sure. While I think Rusty has serious issues. My gut says it is th e wife! Why? I think she has looked through his files before, and she was way to calm as she looked at pictures of horrific murder scenes. To me, the way she says to Rusty, «You have to stop loving her » has the vibe of someone who took that into their own hands. I think she knew her husband was obsessed, so she decided to remove the obsession. However, I do not think she knew the affair came back and the baby is throwing an unknown element into her plan. That is my initial thought. However, it is too early to tell. I subscribed, I will be back for the next show. Thanks.
Thanks so much, glad you are here for the journey. Great comment I love this theory
My theory: his wife did it. She seems too calm for the situation, something is not quite right…
You're not wrong, could def be here. Our review for Ep 3 is out now too btw
Little did we all know, it was his daughter. 😮💨 wtf.
Yes, you guys are are talking about all the good ones.
Hi Dan, Jules & Bag Face , I saw the Excellent 1990 Movie Presumed Innocent w/Harrison Ford as Rusty, Bonnie Bedelia as his wife, & more good actors, in a Theater in '90, & This mini-series Is a Remake of the film, & is also based on Scott Turlow's book. So If this follows the Movie's plot as it has so far, I Know Who killed Carolyn, so the Mystery of this series is Spoiled for me.😕 But I WON'T reveal & spoil it for you all, and I may keep watching it anyway as I like Jake Gyllenhaal & Ruth Nega.😊
Thanks for this. Would you be upset or happy if they change who the killer is?
Why the people at the DA office don’t get along? Because they were running against each other ?
Yea that's what we are thinking
I know who did it
Maybe they will change it for the show 🤷♂️
I think it’s her ex husband or the kid. Or both, they might be accomplices
I like this one
I feel like it is either the wife or his son. I don't know why?
I'm open to anyone at this point, I need more but could see it being one of these two - Dan
I think Tommy is the killer.
What an awesome show
That would be cool! We agree 👍
Do you have any theories yet? Let us know!
Bill Camp and Elizabeth Marvel (the actors who play Raymond and Lorraine Horgan) are married to each other in real life.
Oh wow that's cool!
@@sceneinvaders They've worked together before, but I think this might be the first time they have played a married couple.
As soon as I saw the son I had a feeling it was him. He could have been very resentful and angry his mother was more passionate about work than her family or being a mother. He could have had access to her files and become obsessed with the images and memorized the hog tie. It would also explain why there was no sexual assault.
Ohhh Carolyn's son? Interesting
Yes, Carolyn’s son. I think Rusty’s son knew about the affair especially after episode three. When I rewatch episode one I realize he’s angry before he finds out about his dad’s affair. He also didn’t seem that shocked when Rusty confessed to them at dinner. I don’t think he killed her. I think he will be a suspect.
Also, I hope it’s more complicated and it’s not Carolyn’s son. If the writing and foreshadowing is really good we will be surprised.
Also, I’m so annoyed that Rusty wasn’t aware enough to not take the case and confess to Raymond about the affair and his obsession so Raymond could protect him sooner. Seems too intelligent for that. Maybe the grief and obsession clouded his judgement.
P.s. I love Raymond’s character and the ottoman moment!
@@shadenmousa I do too I love that actor
I started to watch it, but realized I've seen the movie. I don't know if I can sit a through whole series knowing the outcome. And I agree with Jules about the guy not opening his mouth! He sounded so weird.
Hey maybe they'll change it ya never know
@@sceneinvaders Yeah, I may go back to it and give it a chance
@@aaronfrey4418 we'll be covering it all so would love your thoughts along the way 👍👍
You don't think they will switch it up because a lot of people seen that movie. Its one of my all-time favorites.
@@tyizzle80 I did think that, so that's why I probably go back to it
I read the book and saw the movie. Here's a hint, the killer is in the lineage of Professor Moriarty. I was disappointed with the movie, as the book makes it clear that the relationship is based on explicit sexual obsession, which I found raw and interesting. Harrison Ford wasn't good in that setting....
I've never read the book or watched the movie so it's interesting for me to watch this story unfold - would you be upset if they switch up who the killer is for the show?
@@sceneinvaders Hello! Yes, I would be upset. As a mathematician, I really like the concept of "evil mathematician." Regarding casting, I prefer Brian Dennehy to Bill Camp, as he seems more virile, assuming the series follows the book and movie. Speaking of which, I also prefer Dennehy to Paul Newman and Matt Damon as Gen. Leslie Groves, as he allowed himself to be ridiculed in the TV movie "Day One."
@@ilanpi interesting, would you suggest I watch the Movie before reviewing the next Episode?
@@sceneinvaders Maybe not. I'm losing interest in the series, I haven't even watched all of the first episode.
Something I don't understand, since I'm not American, is: how can Raymond be both a prosecutor and a lawyer at the same time?
6:00 - when Barbara is looking through the files on Rusty’s desk, she wasn’t horrified or anything about seeing those images. I really think that she’s seen things like that before. From what I remember, she didn’t even flip any of them over to “hide her eyes” from them or anything. Makes me believe it’s not the first time she’s looked through his stuff. She could have seen the Bunny case files.
Awesome theory
It took me 2 episodes to realize Im familiar with this story because it was a excellent movie from the 90's with Harrison Ford . I dont know if I want to continue watching if they're gonna do it exactly like the movie because I already know who's the killer and almost spoiled it for you guys I had to catch myself and delete it. So i'm conflicted right now On if I should continue. I think I will continue to watch anyway Because I just like it so far. I'm just gonna hope they surprise me. In your reviews Maybe you should give the commentor's a heads up to not talk abouth the Movie or Books in the comments. I have the feeling someone inadvertently will if you guys dont let people know in advance.
Okay yeah good idea I'll open up next video saying that, thanks!
I definitely think it is too early to tell who is guilty, but some characters definitely cast some suspicion right now. The first person that came to mind was the wife because of the same reasons you guys said. She just seemed too calm about the affair. I know her family is the most important thing to her and she is being strong for her family, but if she suspected the affair started again, I wouldn’t be surprised if she would get rid of the one person who is a threat to breaking up her family. We saw her snooping thru his files so do we really think she just took his word that the affair ended before and she didn’t check his phone records or anything from time to time to see if the affair started back up again? Especially since he admitted that he was basically stalking her. I just think that if she suspected that Carolyn was starting to become a threat to her family again, she may have done something about it.
I’m also suspicious of Tommy, just a feeling because he just seems like he would go out of his way to crush Rusty. He just doesn’t seem like a person who seeks justice, he seems more like a person to create narratives to benefit himself. Rusty is also suspicious to me at this point. With all of his secrets coming out, even tho I think it is probably unlikely that he murdered Carolyn, he just hasn’t gotten a check mark in the innocent box from me yet.
I’m very curious about this 2nd semen sample that Rusty just found out about from that previous case. I wonder if this is a clue to lead to Carolyn’s killer or just something that will be used to cast doubt on Rusty’s innocence. I’m curious to see what kind of clues we will get next episode!
I have already read the book and seen the original with Harrison Ford. With all reboots, the second movie is ALWAYS baked in the sun roadapples. By-the-way, the Wife did do it. Signed-Richard.
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