The Battle of Zhizhi (郅支之戰) was fought in 36 BCE between the Han Dynasty and the Xiongnu chieftain Zhizhi Chanyu. Zhizhi was defeated and killed. The battle was probably fought near Taraz on the Talas River in eastern Kazakhstan, which makes it one of the westernmost points reached by a Chinese army. The Battle of Talas in CE 751 was fought in the same area. Battle of Zhizhi Part of the Han-Xiongnu WarDate: October-December, 36 BCE Location: Taraz, Kazakhstan Result: Decisive Han victory A hypothesis by the Sinologist Homer H. Dubs, according to which Roman legionaries clashed with Han troops during the battle and were resettled afterwards in a Chinese village named Liqian,has been rejected by modern historians and geneticists on the grounds of a critical appraisal of the ancient sources and recent DNA testings of the village people. However, this hypothesis has been supported by Lev Gumilev. A new hypothesis (Greek Hoplites in an Ancient Chinese Siege, Journal of Asian History) from 2011 by Dr Christopher Anthony Matthew from the Australian Catholic University suggests that these strange warriors were not Roman legionaries, but Hoplites from the Kingdom of Fergana also known as Alexandria Exchate or Dayaun which was one of the successor states of Alexander the Great's Empire.
這個題目很有趣!
謝謝。
@@yuzou3120 又如何？
好趣！
蕭第一
蕭生, 拍食物的燈光好藍, 色溫偏藍. 好似辦公室的慳電膽. 用黃啲會靚好多。
蕭生，你可唔可以把“佢”換成人名啊×＿×，我聽落去“佢”好似好多個人咁嘅，都唔知講緊邊個！
佢好多時講嘢都係咁，我都想佢改吓……
有趣！
其實除漢與羅馬外，同一時期中還有安息帝國與貴霜帝國。而後漢書有記載貴霜真的與漢交過手（後漢書說漢獲勝，不知是否一面之詞？）蕭生可以講下古代“國際關係”嗎？ ：）
羅馬是職業軍人.長矛變只可由羅馬軍投射...因為矛會變曲!
点解突然间有时代冰室，系香港边个区
分析有d缺陷
秦國用嘅唔只係農民兵 羅馬都唔只係有公民兵 戰國時代係每國都有常備軍 基本上就係職業軍人 對比羅馬軍隊 秦代軍隊不論訓練軍備軍事科技國力後勤都只好不差 秦國動員全國力量嘅能力係領先世界
不過都係果句 無打過 真係唔知 波斯帝國曾經都好大好勁 最後慘敗比希臘馬其頓
這個話題純屬吹水得啖笑. 在繃緊的時候鬆一鬆. 羅馬與秦哪個好打? 難以推論, 雙方都持續對外作戰百年以上.
Roman is the champion of the old world in 300 BC (which used old tech), US Arm force is no1 in 2020. Don't ever challenge Trump!
蕭生 你對基督敎聖經有冇研究??
74年 B.C. 大將軍對汉帝進行彈指。 在沒有武力或暴力的情況下放棄王位。 他的罪行係拒絕大臣建議, 並濫用帝國國庫.
漢朝派甘英往西域探索羅馬帝國，甘英到了地中海東岸就思鄉回程。在此之前漢朝跟羅馬帝國應該沒有打過仗，否則還派甘英去幹什麼？！🤔漢朝劃定了甘肅以西為羅馬軍隊活動範圍的極限綫，估計兩國沒有打過仗，否則怎會容許羅馬兵來邊疆活動？！今天甘肅省仍然有些漢人頭髮捲曲和藍眼睛的，當時中國人跟羅馬人已有交往。
漢武帝真係慘勝，其實呢種接近自毀的方式去打匈奴，係要耗盡下2代的國力，不值得
羅馬同漢朝隔咗個安息國`月氏國,,,,,
點可能有交通? 漢桓帝時有羅馬商人
坐船去朝貢, 除此之外並冇聯繫
@@wong9924 安息是今天伊朗
耍真正打過先有答案。
戰國時魏國不是已經有所謂魏武卒的專業士兵嗎? 秦國的兵不會全是農民兵吧.....
凱薩係克拉蘇大債仔
打仗定係打戰?
1+2
對！早就有人做過科學的分析
箫生讲历史的讲法最够生鬼，最够鬼马的言论，让人听到他讲的历史故事好像有种"活"的古今人事 。
听箫生吹历史都吹到那么涨的奇情是很种乐趣。
羅馬戰神馬超打到曹操割騷棄浦
黃偉Wong 最怕d人講肯定
你咁肯定就得，無人幫到你
@@伊井野ミコ-d5k古罗马人高大个锤子，古罗马血统，都不知死去哪了！你今天能看到“一呆利”，统统是吃了古罗马人尸体的蛮子。
秦朝的战车冲过去重装罗马兵都顶唔住，单兵比较冇太大意义。
安息國都打不過的羅馬兵怎會贏秦兵
简直是教科书级纸上谈兵。
古代打仗講人多，又講戰術。秦朝甘Q多戰神人才。如果羅馬黎打秦朝。史書最多都寫“西夷犯境，被秦而滅”
冇吹水喇，由古至今，中國政權喺面對異族侵略嘅時候有幾多次是得以全身而退嘅？唔畀人滅已經好彩，仲話滅人哋，秦朝嗰陣時除左戰國其餘六國之外對其他嘅地方一無所知，封閉到咁嘅程度滅人哋？
這就要去問成吉思汗喇…
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
The Battle of Zhizhi (郅支之戰) was fought in 36 BCE between the Han Dynasty and the Xiongnu chieftain Zhizhi Chanyu. Zhizhi was defeated and killed. The battle was probably fought near Taraz on the Talas River in eastern Kazakhstan, which makes it one of the westernmost points reached by a Chinese army. The Battle of Talas in CE 751 was fought in the same area.
Battle of Zhizhi
Part of the Han-Xiongnu
WarDate: October-December, 36 BCE
Location: Taraz, Kazakhstan
Result: Decisive Han victory
A hypothesis by the Sinologist Homer H. Dubs, according to which Roman legionaries clashed with Han troops during the battle and were resettled afterwards in a Chinese village named Liqian,has been rejected by modern historians and geneticists on the grounds of a critical appraisal of the ancient sources and recent DNA testings of the village people. However, this hypothesis has been supported by Lev Gumilev.
A new hypothesis (Greek Hoplites in an Ancient Chinese Siege, Journal of Asian History) from 2011 by Dr Christopher Anthony Matthew from the Australian Catholic University suggests that these strange warriors were not Roman legionaries, but Hoplites from the Kingdom of Fergana also known as Alexandria Exchate or Dayaun which was one of the successor states of Alexander the Great's Empire.
羅馬兵體型最少比漢兵大一半
華夏政權連年飢荒
大部份人營養不良
瘦骨嶙峋,體格漏弱
我觉的汉朝兵好打.因为汉有铁器..罗马铜重且软..搞不过汉朝。。
早在秦朝還在青銅互砍的時候，西方就已經在用鐵器了
第四 😂
斯巴達克斯
萧公公
秦漢間，中國的將領大多數都是依靠人多取勝，不像希臘和羅馬軍隊多以小勝多。秦漢間中國可以和希臘或羅馬軍打的，我看大概只有韓信(有一般步兵就可以)和霍去病(必需帶騎兵才可以)兩位中國的軍事天才。
中國古代所謂嘅人多都係吹出嚟嘅，郁下郁下就幾十萬幾百萬，編制冇，軍隊番號又冇，得一把口，要佢地攞出證據又攞唔出
人多取胜？成败只靠个别天才？。。公知地摊文学少看了。。实际是从西汉一直打到两三百年后，东汉窦宪才彻底剿灭北匈奴政权。霍去病当然是英雄天才。奇袭王庭，斩单于，擒获几万贵族。顺手拔走匈奴传国金人。。。。但这只是其中短短一场战役。
@@wong9924原来你知道啊！我 记错了，反正两汉举全国之力，前后打了几百年，后来残余势力又祸乱几百年。五胡乱华后才渐渐消失。
@Young Charlie.M. 这是最八股的解释，你认为匈奴是什么？是一个政权，它以控制游牧部落为主，但也随着与汉朝的交战，他也在不断适应。与汉政权交战互有胜负。吸纳了一大批降将逃民。又控制西域月氏人。月氏是传统农耕政权，别以为只有汉族种地。经济上匈奴早就转型农牧政权了。足矣支撑大兵团作战！游牧民族骑兵袭扰战（汉朝时骑兵还没马蹬）是它们传统技能。但军事上这种游击战是最重要的辅助手段，决定输赢永远是正面战场！文人总是很奇葩！解释对外族作战就是骑兵无敌论，讲抗日战争就是敌后游击战不是抗日，是通敌卖国！很多文人没有一点军事常识，但人家有范文，固定套路：战争赢了，风花雪月，帝王将相。战争输了，不是我等太无能，怎奈敌军有高达！大怂打不过外族，最合理的解释是因为统治阶级腐朽反动，文人巨商“壕”无良心，“成猪”理学控制舆论！要不怎么解释岳飞等军事天才的悲惨遭遇。时势造英雄。。。到现在国内唯一不修缮就是怂陵。
@Young Charlie.M. 秦桧为什么一心一意当“间谍”？是因为虚无缥缈的“血统”？。。它是不吃不喝、石头缝里蹦出来的“天生魔王”？。。还是承命应天的宗教召唤？。。。大怂不只有军事天才，还有王安石、范仲淹等天纵英才！可是又能如何？大怂整体社会就是那样。一两个人能“回天”？静下心，别用任何条条框框看历史，真正用凡夫俗子的自我定位，才能看出实际是怎么回事，回来再看看菜菜子，港废。。。。它们根本没什么奇怪的？时代怪胎而已。。。