Which stupid Golf Rules should be changed?
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If you hit the ball in the rough or over in the fall leaves and don’t have the luxury of a spotter like the tour pros, free drop (no penalty) to replace your ball where you and the group agree it landed but is either plugged, under leaves. Speed up play free drop and move on.
Me and my buddies call that a “brovisional”… when you hit a good shot and can’t seem to find your ball so you drop without penalty
Generally agree, but you have to be realistic. I've played with guys who used the "lost under the leaves" concept to turn a 215 yard drive into a 270 yard drive. If you're playing on your own I guess you just need to hold yourself to account, obviously if playing in a group you can ask them about where you think a fair spot to drop would be.
Completely agree, if you’re turning 215 yard drives into 270 yard drives your score is meaningless imo.
@@MonsterERB that’s a very valid point. A buddy of mine was a real distance exaggerator. Don’t get me wrong, he could hit the ball a long way, but I remember he swore his ball carried this ravine that was like a 340 yard carry, I was like “my brother, you’re smoking crack”
I use to play in a club that had a seasonal leaf rule. It lead to people playing high risk shots blind, that they'd not normally try, knowing they could claim leaf rule for a lost ball. Playing sensible for position was then penalised.
Penalty/OB should be played as lateral. That is a lot of local rules but agree make it across the board. Free relief from a divot that is clearly defined and agreed by playing partners is great.
Rick, I've never been a fan of podcasts but I'm loving these shorter clips that you've been putting out 👍
If in a footprint in a bunker you get to rake and drop it back in the same spot of the bunker
I like the 2 off the tee rule in junction with the 3 from where it went out. Gives you another option, seems fair to me. Me and the boys always move out of the divot.. you can fix pitch marks on a green in your putt line, you shouldn't get a terrible lie because of another player playing the hole before you if you hit it in the fairway
Guy saying “sir guy to you” had me laughing lol
All lost balls should be under the same rule. Whether it's OB, water, lost in trees/hedges/shrubs/leaves, etc, Drop where it was last in play or where it is agreed by the players to have been when lost, drop a new ball and add a stroke.
Divots, especially on public courses can be a real problem and it should be legal to move the ball either left or right up to the width of the ball as a free move.
Not as sure what to do about hitting into a divot in a bunker (People Too Lazy To Rake The Sand) as they can be even worse than ones in a fairway.
I find it easy to avoid the fairway divots by simply avoiding the fairway altogether
I think the rule about not being able to kick your ball out of a forest and say it was never in the forest, and that you actually you parred the last hole not triple bogeyed it as you think I did.
Guy was on form in this. Had me at “just play our own rules” when talking about 3 off the tee
When I coached middle school golf, most of the tournaments had a local rule to allow players to roll the ball one revolution out of a fairway divot.
And if they got a lucky good lie in the rough did they have to roll it into a bad lie?
@@theythinkimmadyouknow
And your the reason golf is boring
@@Bomion why, because I dont cheat? Dont submit fake scores and play the game as its intended and just have fun with it rather than whine that my balls in a bit of a scrape in the ground? Yeah, I'm the dull one alright🤣🤣
@@theythinkimmadyouknow They're middle schoolers. You're a grown ass adult.
Calm down.
@@theythinkimmadyouknow explain to me why you’re allowed to fix a divot in your way on the green before you putt. That’s allowed right? Shouldn’t you just play it as it lies?
“Didn’t you get two pars in a row once” got me 😂😂
I have always found the "lost golf ball" penalty for ammeture and lower level golf unfair. The professionals literally have people (and some times cameras) all the way down the hole to help them locate their wayward ball. If you can't find a ball, there should be no stroke penalty for a lost ball for everyone short of the pros.
I would agree with the suggestion of Guy, you take it as if you are playing whatever stroke is after the lost ball off the tee is or you take an additional stroke and play a drop from roughly where the ball was lost
Losing a $4 golf ball is penalty enough
@@atthebrink74 ... what abnout a 0.50 golf ball?😂
I hate playing courses with rough and leaves everywhere and you cannot find your ball even though you know 100% it didn’t go out of bounds, but it just is under a leaf
@@gerhardprasent3358 in this economy every dime matters
Yes, change the drop rule to be the arm extended out at waist height or just naturally from the side. This knee height is ridiculous.
Drop height should have been changed to from above the knee and below the waist.
I like a gallery drop rule. If we all see that the ball is in, but can't find it. Free drop where we all feel the ball would have been located if there was a gallery there watching the shot.
This podcast is CERTAINLY a TOP 5 from you guys! And the rule changes are 100% good ideas!
my big rule change: create divisions for competition - ranging from 100% traditional to fully modern. so one tournament can ban all electronics, and even restrict equipment, while another can allow all the electronics and aids the organizers want to allow; or anywhere in between.
Concept:
Masters- Lean traditional w/ electronic ban, more value in experienced, possibly give the caddie market a boost; Augusta already doesnt allow private recordings of the course, easy to adjust, plenty of history in the course to show how it evolved with the game and its practitioners
The Open- 100% traditional; speaks for itself being in the homeland of golf
US Open- 100% modern; plethora of courses of age, difficulty and infamy to test practitioners and push design and creativity to the edge( think like a profession greenkeepers revenge in a way); prime environment for brands and new ideas to promote product
Pga Champ- lean modern with equipment band; skills test of talent on the most difficult courses; would either establish common lofts or establish a range of lofts in categories such as “modern” “”semi-modern” or “traditional” and the yardage each club “should” get with x club head speed in no wind, mild wind, etc. Prime environment for the community to really see the difference between the average golfer and the pros and the bridge that can be built with the industry.
@@cancersilver9546 yep, that's the general idea.
Have a tour event where every person has to hand in a shopping list:
12 balls, no more than 3 dollars MSRP each
1 putter, no more than 200 dollars MSRP
3 wedges, combined no more than 250 MSRP
1 set of irons P-5 MSRP no more than 500.
3 choices of Hybrid, Utility or lower woods no more than 150 each.
1 3wood and 1 driver, combined value no more than 400 dollars.
The organizer then purchases all your stuff, marks it and you get the bag the day of the practice round
Thats a 14 club bag for 1500 dollars with "cheap" balls.
it will force every brand to have proper handicap 20 level equipment that is good bang for buck so amateurs can play without 600 dollar drivers.
or just do events that only allow blades (so no woods/drivers) and the following event that only allows mallets (so no irons, only hybrids)
I love Golf and playing it as much as I can. But hate so many rules that penalize anything and everything as if we were playing professional golf for millions
That’s obviously the only way to uphold a fair handicap system for players that compete, regardless of level of competition, and most golf players play in competitions at least once or twice per season. Those who never compete can of course do what they want, but is it really funny to have a lower handicap than you are able to play within the rules?
@@andersedstrom1139 why would you even try to have a handicap if you don’t compete? And what does this have to do with tons of ridiculous rules?
My friends and I play "Spectator Rule" when it comes to lost balls in places that are in bounds (and not in major trouble). Where everyone saw it go just off the fairway into the rough but it's nowhere to be seen, maybe its under a leaf, maybe it went into a gopher hole, who knows. If there were spectators and cameras they could point you right to it because you know it was definitely in bounds still. So we just drop a free ball in a place we all agree is approximately where we saw it end.
I’d like all penalties etc. to be the same consequence. I usually know what the fault is but have trouble remembering which is two club lengths or one. Which is two penalty strokes and which is one. Make them all the same.
When you receive a penalty.. it is 2 clubs..whether it is a 1 or 2 stroke penalty. .... and if the relief is free it is one club length. Also..usually a 1 stoke penalty is given for things that occur as a result of playing a shot. 2 stroke penalties are usually when you do something naughty, or stupid, that you should not have done.
Guy was absolutely hilarious on this, couldn’t stop laughing 😂😂😂
If “Players” is 5th major then we go back to 1974 when first “players” was played and include everyone who won it since 74” as a major winner. That would give Jack 3 more Majors, and Tiger 2 more.
I've always believed that a divot in the fairway should be ground under repair, free drop!!! And a lost ball should be a drop hitting your 3rd shot, going all the way back to the tee slows down play and is ridiculous, and out of bounds should be 2 off the tee, it seems so simple really.⛳⛳
It's incredibly easy to lose balls for me. Even after playing golf for years I can stare at the ball when someone swings.
Frame 1: ball on tee. Frame 2: Driver head. Frame 3: Swing is complete. Frame 4: Ball has literally disappeared.
Doesn't matter if it's completely smashed down the middle of the fairway, there's a decent chance I will legitimately not see it.
I’m really enjoying the clubhouse podcast episodes, the guys behind the camera chipping into the conversation adds something different too
For 2 off the tee, changing the language of the rule would be easy. Instead of "Stroke and distance", change it to "Stroke OR distance".
They should get rid of putting. 😡
I would like to see free relief from other people's fairway divots. You should never get punished for finding the fairway.
If you want relief from divots, sand your divot +1. If everyone does that (as they are supposed to), the fairway condition improves, and nobody has to deal with a pockmark. If very few people do it (current status quo) then you get tears and lamentations. Sand your divots.
Not practical for the walkers (if you’re not walking you shouldn’t be playing) to be carrying sand. Curiously it’s the golfers in carts who NEVER sand or replace their divots.
@@alliejr Thats a weak excuse. I’ve got walkers on my squad. They carry sand AND… wait for it… sand their divots.
@@alliejrso many players can’t walk 6-8 miles but can definitely play with a cart. That’s a crazy take 🤪
I don't think I've played a local course in the last 10+ years that has even had sand available to the players. Fixing a divot as was taught to me, was replacing the patch of grass back on the mark. Sand was something you only saw on TV.
@@yetisdeuce1315 I’ve only played short courses, full munis, public courses, & country clubs in California, Texas, Kyushu, and the Kanto areas. From 1988 I’ve seen sand not be provided ONE time (in Texas). I’ve paid green fees from $400 to $24, I’ve never seen ZERO sand provided. You should play better courses. Dont trust ME. I’m another internet rando. Go look it up. Players are EXPECTED to sand their own divots and 1 extra. Not doing that is like spitting lougies indoors and complaining about how nasty it is.
Guy's R&A character needs to be a recurring thing on this podcast from now on. The Granola eating, tree hugging, weed smoking leader of the R&A who wears hipster clothes and has an extensive vinyl collection... 🤣
7:20 “finished in the divot” 😏 lolol
I want to see a Guy vs. Rick video, where you guys play a course under 7,000 yrds or from the white tees, Guy with TM Mini and Rick with Callaway Mini!!! No drivers!
I absolutely hate when I hit a ball inbounds and can’t find it. Just the other week I hit a beautiful drive straight in the middle of the fairway, but we had so much rain here that the ball plugged so deep in the ground that I searched everywhere and couldn’t find it.
Funny thing is, I went golfing there five days after when it was all dry, and I saw the very top of that exact ball peeking up from the dirt.
But on the day I golfed, I had to take a drop and re-hit. Which ended up giving me a seven on a par four.
Frustrating indeed.
I haven't seen many videos here, but this was by far the best one!
BEST vid of the year , guys , so funny
Excellent - keep putting this segment out on UA-cam please
Didn’t know yall did this show was excited I actually had something to watch
Guy is genuinely hilarious 😂
I can just imagine the chairman of the R&A offering a splif to someone he just met a minute earlier. Sounds plausible! 🤣
When I have to take a drop ball I grab a ball from my bag and just toss it lol
A rule me and my friends do is if you hit your shot and you clearly see it land/finish in the fairway or 1st cut and can't find it then it's a free drop.
Best podcast ever 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Guy's cali accent is killing me 😂
hot take on OB, just play at a local municipal where there in no OB and you just hit from 2 fairways over lol.
Very excited to see the changes the new leader of the R&A “English-approximation-of-a-hip-American-stoner” brings to the game
My favorite rule idea is PIN IS IN. Any ball which clearly strikes the pin is considered holed. Never take the pin out, speed up play, lower scores, exciting finishes, what’s not to love. ❤
When it comes to lost balls it can be quite irritating when there's virtually no difference between a lost ball and one that 's almost lost - (you just got lucky and found it) but rules are in place to keep the game fair. However I disagree with some of the rules on taking relief, for example when Bob MacIntyre recently got a free drop from a sprinkler head which happened to be in the middle of thigh high rough, or when people remove their ball from behind a tree because there happened to be rabbit scrapings nearby. Doubtless everyone will disagree but I believe you should always play the ball as it lies - you put it there.
This was gold! Love this!
100% on board with the drop from a divot. No different than being able to tap down spike marks. You should not be penalized for actions of another golfer.
Stroke and distance rule:
Agree that a factual 2 penalty strokes from hitting OOB (especially on narrow courses) is quite a severe punishment.
if you hit a par 3 OOB you suddenly need a hole in 1 to make par.
Divots:
If the ball is actually below fairway level (as in bridging a club over the ball without it touching is possible) you should get a free drop, but just a shallow divot that's 4 months old shouldn't give relief. if the ground is so muddy or there are wheeltracks, same test, bridge your club over the ball, if the ball is actually not touching the club you can drop it in 1 clublenght.
Dropping/placing
In cases where you get a penalty stroke it should be place, in case of free drops it should remain drop.
Otherwise you have a better chance of a good lie by aiming for a shelterhouse and placing it next to it than to actually aim correctly.
I like these Friday podcast clips on youtube.
No more loss of distance on a lost ball - I've lost balls in the middle of the fairway! Just drop and move on.
Where I grew up our local course was sparse grass, simply not enough water or money for huge maintenance - so local rule was anywhere on the fairway you had a clublength no closer to the hole to move your ball (regardless whether in a divot or not) so you had a chance of getting the ball onto some grass/weeds. I dont think it's unreasonable to have this implemented everywhere - if you want to keep it old-worldly strict for top-level events, then have at it.
Gallery ball. We all saw it land right here....
This one might be controversial but I'm talking about club golf. I would allow playing partners like you do in matchplay to say yep you can pick it up in other words. You don't have to putt it in if it's close it would save time. I'm not talking about professional box. I'm talking about club golf to speed up play. It's really simple. The old divot just is classed as ground under repair but not marked seriously that is the simplest rule we need to have if the player is at a disadvantage because of the lie then it's an automatic drop. Pick it up. Drop it next to it good to go just like when we have wet fairways and it's plugged.
The "play as it lies" from a divot in the fairway IMO. Getting penalized for hitting the fairway(in my case, super rare), doesn't make sense.
Agreed!
Really funny chaps, am on holiday in CZ with the family and love this little bit of escapism 👍👍 excellent stuff Guy 👍
Listened to this on the podcast and was howling. Came back to watch guys performance
3 from where the ball went OB is how it’s played in disc golf. It’s more fun.
Bryson’s main aim is to grow the game, and no one has done a better job of that since Tiger. Everyone will be wanting to be on his channel now but I’d like to see some PGA players show their personalities and do their bit to grow the game on his channel.
2nd shot off the tee after lost ball … makes so much sense
Love this. Need it on UA-cam!
I agree with the OB rule proposal - 2 off the tee or back on line with 3.
Exactly. 3 off the tee is ridiculous. Where does the extra shot come from? If I hit my first O/B, & 2nd down the middle next to you, I now have a one shot deficit because I hit my ball TWICE to get to yours. Simple.
Are you actually confused or trolling? If you hit a ball from the fairway, out of bounds, then the stroke comes from dropping a ball. Same goes for the tee. This isn’t Golf Clash 😂😂
@@Jbeezy126 : I'm neither confused not trolling. But I do think you're simple. Stating the bleeding obvious like "the stroke comes from dropping the ball" & thinking it's some sort of slam dunk point shows how slow you are. You're also talking about off the FW which is NOT what my OP was about.
@@frog2210 I believe I just explained it to you, and now you understand. That’s why you’re mad. Read your OP. You’re not simple. You need help.
@@frog2210 it was a slam dunk. You simply don’t understand what O/B means in golf, yet you used it in a sentence. You’re dense.
There is no "extra shot". It is one for the first shot (that gets lost), one for the drop (to put a new ball into play - same as for _any_ drop) and one for the shot with the new ball. So which of those is the "extra shot"?
I think 3 off the tee is fair for OB if you can’t keep your golf ball on the property. HOWEVER, tree lined courses where there is no chance for finding your ball in bounds should be marked as hazards.
If you're in a divot-I say free placement right behind the divot by 1 foot of the beginning of the offense divot. Off the tee-something shocking actually happened today. My father in law happened to hit a miracle drive-he hit nothing but tee. The ground was soft and the driver head went completely under the ball and no contact with the ball had been made. It was truly amazing to witness.
Any rule that penalizes you for something that doesn’t give you any competitive advantage should be changed.
I don’t know about hitting two off the tee is a good idea. It seems like it would save time. but the reality is, everyone hitting a slightly bad shot would be hitting a provisional, just in case. And then make no real attempt to look for their ball. But I absolutely agree about getting a free drop if you hit your ball into a divot, or any other imperfection in the fairway, for that matter. The fairway, just like the green, it’s supposed to be in relatively good condition. And that’s actually a rule that me and my friends play by. We allow each other to roll the ball. You should never be punished for hitting a good shot.
I hardly go ob anymore myself... but I whole heartedly agree with the idea of changing that rule
I think the 2 stroke penalty should stay if someone hits an obvious OB. As in, duck hooks it right into the OB area and is clearly lost.
Now, if you hit slightly off-line (or even down the middle; I’ve lost fairway balls on leaf covered courses) and it’s reasonable to assume it’s stayed in bounds, then a free “gallery drop” should be awarded.
The divot rule should apply if it’s an obvious divot and not a natural imperfection. If the ball is in a divot it should be one ball’s width left or right.
3 off the tee should be a rule that stays, hit a provisional if you are close to OB. Lift and place/drop out of divots I agree with
Doesn't really affect us weekend golfers, but for tour players when they've putted and it's on the lip of the hole and clearly still moving, there really shouldn't be a time limit. If that ball is still moving and rolls in, that should count as the same putt.
I think Guy was just getting a little TOO into his character 😂. Thoroughly enjoyable and couldn’t agree more with the content. If the grass surface has obviously been disturbed below the surrounding level then it counts as a divot. In other words, the soil has been exposed.🇦🇺👍
OMG you do not need to ‘define a divot’…….. just play ‘winter rules’. No problem doing it in the winter, so just lift, clean, replace all year round if on the fairway. Really not that hard to get this one changed.
First rule of golf: play to pace. Second rule: play the ball as it lies. What you’re describing is not golf.
@@alliejrit’s fine in the winter though yeah? Just not the summer…… because that’s ‘crazy’. Why not just ‘play the ball as it lies’ when on a man-made path, or a sprinkler head, or in an animal scraping? The rules of golf has been changed numerous times since the inception of the governing bodies and 2019 was a significant year of change, making golf simpler and fairer. (Grounding the club while in a hazard being just one example) This is merely another change which makes total sense…… having to play out of someone else’s divot when on the FAIRway is nonsensical….. essentially ground under repair. How anyone can think otherwise I find astounding.
Can we please stop with the fairway divots. If we truly look at it how many shots does it cost the average player maybe 1 per 10 rounds like more than that. You can't have play stopped every time this happens play is already slow enough for some people that would just cause 5 hours rounds to be regular. I fully agree with 2 off the tee or drop near where the ball went into the hazard area. Armatures shouldn't be penalized because we don't have spotters or a gallery to find our balls in the long grass or just off the fairway.
All over the world in the winter it's lift clean and place rules. Make it standard all the time. Doesn't affect pace at all. #1 cause of pace of play issues is golf courses running 8 minute tee times.
@@ProffessorJoe BINGO.
Divots in the fairway should be classified as GUR. And with today’s technology, NOBODY has an “incorrect” scorecard. And BTW, Rick: Tiger won’t swap with you, since he hates UA-cam…..
Guy was on fire today!!
Grounding in the bunker is a dumb rule. As long as the ball isnt moved it shouldn't be an issue.
Please keep posting the clubhouse episodes to UA-cam.
I'm going to keep it 100: I already take relief from bad fairway lies in divots. You shouldn't get punished for hitting a fairway. I do like the 2 off the tee proposition, though I wont actually use it unless it get implemented. I also just drop however i feel like it, sometimes i just toss it lol. The other rule I have for myself is the "a spotter would know where it is" rule where if i know it is in bounds but I cant find it, I take a drop at my best guess. Also I suck at golf and dont play any tournaments so nothing really matters
All make complete sense, seriously how can we get these changed!
Maybe they changed the rule, but that guy who I can't remember, that lost the Master's Tournament because he didn't record his scorecard correctly was ridiculous. It even ruined the experience for the guy who won.
Of course, the divot rule should be changed (for fairways only). A divot is not "the course as you find it," it's "the course, as altered by another golfer." The R&A and USGA are perfectly capable of coming up with a clear definition of a divot that would be easy to understand.
Most comps that i play make you take a drop for 4 a metre on the fairway laterally where you think your ball ended up but can't find
If you want to retee, you hit for 2 BUT you forfeit your first ball regardless of if you find it.
It stops people from hitting 2 balls for giggles and taking the 2nd one if they don't like where the first one is (can't find it on purpose)
This speeds up everything
Protect our golf courses- get rid of the tees
Imagine being punished for smashing it at the very center of the fairway and getting a worse lie that you would have had in the mid rough. You should be allowed to play preferred lie (inside a one scorecard semi-circumference) for every shot ended up in fairway (if you're in the rough then play as it lies obviously)
Just play preferred at all times through the general area....solves at lot other peripheral rules related to drops
The 2 golf leagues that I play in league rule is you can move your ball a score card anyway you want at any time, no penalty! We aren’t getting paid to play LOL
We just call it playing it up
My league uses a six inch rule for divots in the fairway. All OB, lost balls, unplayable, etcetera are (counted) drops on the line or near last known spot. Very easy to remember, fair, and moves the game along quickly.
The stroke and distance rule is unfair. But it's the rules and tough breaks like that make golf like life (which is why we love it). My course is particularly punishing for any wayward shots. I work so hard to stay in play. But, as I'm get better I feel I've earned the scores! Having said all that however, it would speed the whole thing up being able to play 2 off the tee!
It should be a “spectator drop”.
Let say you hit a drive a couple yards in to some high grass. You can’t understand how you can’t find it and now you need to tee of again or you take a penalty drop. But, if there was spectators they would easily find it, as they do on the pga tour and so on. A spectator drop would let you drop the ball in the high grass where the ball landed without penalty.
If you swap with Tiger what would you do first? Go buy a fancy thing with all your money or go right to the range and hit a shot in each of the boxes?
Would love to hear Ricks take on Bob MacIntyres free drop at the Scottish open! Does he think Bobs practise swing was in fact a practise swing or does he think it was a full swing that improved his lie and he only called the ref when he missed the ball?
This is definitely not the first time Guy has done roll play 😂😂😂
Free drops from divots would grind even semi-competitive rounds to a crawl determining how much of a depression makes for a divot. If you don’t like playing where it lies, just play preferred lies regardless of the weather. Keeps it simple.
Currently Model Local Rule E.25 is the rule you’re thinking of. 🤓
That’s when you go to where ball is deemed lost - 2 club lengths back onto fairway for 2 shot penalty
Agreed. The challenge is to get YOUR/MY COURSE to adopt it 🙄
He is right... what is a divot? How do you tell a divot that is one hour old vs. 3 days old. Rick says "everyone in the group should agree." Good luck with that in tournament golf.
Rather than changing the ball, a driver should only be 300cc.
Place the ball directly behind the divot.
I'm South Africa you get a club length placing on fairways at most golf courses. Which I think is fair as if you hit the Fairway you should be rewarded with a good lie.
If your lie in the middle of the fairway isn't perfect, take a free drop. You have my permission.
Don’t tell these guys that in Norway it is almost standard with free placement of the ball inside one CLUB length on fairways. Never mind a divot.
What about every cart on a course carry several seed jugs to fill divots so people can grab a handful in passing carts to fill your divots