What is the Cost of Free College in Sweden? | We The Internet TV
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- If college is free in Sweden, then why do Swedish students have such high education debts? Follow Lou as he investigates Sweden's economic model and finds "5 Reasons Why We Need Sweden's Democratic Socialism." • 5 Reasons Why We Need ...
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Made me chuckle 👍
It should. People need to look more in detail at different systems and how they work. Even this is too superficial (he doesn't talk about the differences in repayment, for example). A good place to start is the New York Times article, "An International Final Four: Which Country Handles Student Debt Best?" It compares the systems in the US, UK, Sweden and Australia.
Nothing is more expensive than something that’s free.
If I copy and paste that but give you full credit are you ok with that??
@@garyspaulding5690 Please go ahead, You don't need to give me credit. It would be kind of you and I would appreciate if you went to my site and watched a video. Maybe liked one of the speed bagging videos?
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edit: I am the one "Fast as lightning" :) ua-cam.com/video/E3SjDE3OLA0/v-deo.html
Is that why per capita healthcare costs in the US is twice what they are in Europe where it's tax funded?
@@JoelLundqvist98 Health is only a huge business there. The goal is not to care the people but make profits.
No such thing as free. Someone has to pay for it.
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Dan Templeton
It reminds me of the phrase “There is not such thing as a free lunch.”
@@laurahuynh8333 unless you use the power of the vote to steal it from others.
No shit, that’s why there are taxes
TANSTAAFL: There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. As true with life as it is with physics.
Not according to socialists. When you have other people steal for you, it is free.
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 taxes exist buffon
"The working class should pay for me to study feminist theory"
Men are bad, m'kay?
Patriarchy is bad, m'kay?
You'll be receiving my bill for $150,000. Your degree is in the mail I promise.
I personally benefited from "free" College Education here in Germany, so I tend to agree with Tax Payer funded Colleges but I also acknowledge that there is almost no need for some fields of study and you have to limit them then which would freak out these Socialists.
@@hansmeiser32 Curious why people leave school if it's free. Just live off gov't paycheck and party in school forever in worthless degrees (one after the other) instead of going to work as barista or be homeless?
@@mychevysparkevdidntcatchfi1489 Sounds like you don't understand how this works or did work at least here in Germany (I can't speak for other countries).
Free College means you don't have to pay to go to courses - let's say you don't have to pay for using the infrastructure - but you still have to pay for your livelihood (rent, food etc.). Dorms and refectories are not free but cheap. College here is not "all inclusive" like in the US.
Why does everyone need to go to college in the first place?
Who will fix the plumbing or the HVAC systems? Who will fix the cars? Who will repair roads and bridges? Who will do the carpentry and dry wall work? Or the myriad of other trades and technical skills needed to keep a modern society operating? Those skills are NOT learned in college.
In socialist states like California and New York, illegal immigrants take those jobs which leaves the youth disenfranchised with nothing else better to do than go to liberal art schools on the government’s dime until they graduate in 4-5 years stuck in the same predicament with a useless degree and woke politicians telling Amazon to go away and raising taxes on corporations forcing them to go away too.
@Super JLK The illegals of course!
@MaxCruise73 My husband and dad are both mechanics. They learned how to be mechanics at...a college. A lot of “trade schools” are now run out of colleges, sometimes at community colleges, sometimes as part of major universities alongside other related programs.
in my poor, 3rd world country, the poor take those jobs. I have always assumed the same happens everywhere else and in the US too, but your comment implies something else...
@@TGuard00014 You are correct to a point. None of the major colleges in my state offer any Trade school courses.
What happens is Skilled and unskilled Blue collar jobs are put in the same category. Which is part of the narrative of "the ONLY way to get ahead is with a college education." When I was a Journeyman Machinist, I made over $100,000 several years.
Whaaaaat?😳😱
Does AOC know?
AOC thinks Taco Bell is a Mexican phone company.
terry boyer no she thinks they sell bells made of tacos
of course she knows, she looks more like shes trying to destroy our country from the inside instead of actually helping us
I don’t think she’s smart enough. Omar and Tlaib know. Sanders definitely does.
Bennett Fedorowicz I did like AOC's "bad guy" speech that got no attention from the #msm , it highlighted Congress Corruption when she actually tried to slam & drag the Potus 🤩😂
Higher taxes, haven't watched the video just making a guess
ThisisKyle Seems like a pretty good trade off.
@@willhiggins9563 No it doesn't especially since people will still be in debt regardless, they just won't be in as much debt and everyone else has to help split the bill
What did you study, Will?
ThisisKyle Still sounds good?
We the Internet TV Started out with general studies. Then I decided to step back reevaluate my goals and approach to institutional education. After that it gets kinda personal. But I would have handled the whole this better with a public funded college system, I know that much.
What's worse, going to college for free and paying higher taxes for the rest of your working life, or taking out a loan and living within your means to pay it off in a few years? Emphasis on the "living within your means".
AND attending a college you can actually afford!!
Go to place with free college, then move to a country with low taxes after you graduate. Lots of Europeans in US did that.
Or don't go to college and major in a completely worthless field.
@@nwpgk8166 I'm going to need an English degree for teaching
Feels like the video cuts at the end all of a sudden. Still very informative though.
It's part of a longer doc. ua-cam.com/video/QcX6BUZlEw4/v-deo.html
Thanks!! These videos are great. I like that you're asking questions about how it works. Too many people think it's "free" but don't understand why, how or if it's really "free"!! Lou what's your new major?? Best wishes
I'm French and here only 2% of students in public universities take out loans, because if you're low income you get a stipend for living expenses in addition to not paying the tuition fees, which are 190€ average yearly for a bachelor's degree.
EDIT: this is NOT to say France is wonderful in every way and everyone should do the same. France has plenty of problems, related and unrelated to the higher education system. See the replies for some examples.
@Hodges Media I am not recommending anything, just pointing out that there are different systems and I don't know why people in the US who want "free college" (so called) focus on examples that don't do that. If you want to look at socialised public health care and education give examples that practice that for comparison. I live in France and know some of those problems first hand. When it comes to the universities, the biggest consequence is that all the costs are kept very low, which means you're not finding any French public universities near the top of international rankings. The biggest problems for farmers are both the European Common Agricultural Policy and all the regulations associated with that and the fact that the French government is years behind in paying the money to their farmers.
I was studying in the biggest fishing port in France, which doesn't mean much nowadays as, thanks to the Common Fisheries Policy, the Norwegians use their veto to steal the fish the EU fishers aren't allowed to fish.
As for unemployment, I don't believe that zero hour contracts (UK) or one Euro contracts (Germany) is much better than the French RSA where you are officially unemployed while doing few hours of work.
But I'm not saying things are wonderful in France, I'm saying they should compare fitting examples. France is the country in the world with the most public spending in relation to GDP (along with Denmark) so if you want to see what countries with high levels of public spending look like, those are examples you need to look at. Denmark has a lot of differences with France, of course.
I'm sorry that the fact I wrote too brief a comment gave the wrong impression. I've edited it to make it clearer.
Bro 190 euro ain't enough shiii😅
Just thinking inside the box here. Maybe there would be less debt if they completed their 4 year degree in 5 years.
how bout we just increase taxes for the rich so they are still rich but give more to help stop student debt
@@KicksPregnantWomen but how do you determine who's really rich? Some of the 1% are small business owners. They may show 10 million in profit, but they are paying employees, commercial rent, manufacturing fees, etc.. and they may only take home 70K a year. Unfair to just raise taxes on the 1% (rich).
Creamwafer rolls im talking about people who make and KEEP millions of dollars every week, jesus
@@KicksPregnantWomen How about pay for your own shit or don't go to college if you can't pay for it
ThisisKyle not go to college then get a shitty job? no thanks. also what do people who make more money than they can spend lose if their taxes go up?
"There's no such thing as a free lunch." - Milton Friedman
"there is if you steal"
-Bernie Sanders 2020
I'm from Barbados and our education system is subsided.
We spend 6.7% of our GDP on education.
We are also ranked 12th in the world in highest living standards.
And our population isn't even 300,000 people yet😔😟
Wow! Let us know when you reach 300,000,000.
@@WeTheInternetTV Lolol
Will do
Hopefully I'll still be alive by then
@Eric Wood Nope
Still here
Get a military. Or better yet pay us for your current protection and let’s see how much is left over for freebies
@@HubertofLiege Don't have enough people for a military.
Matter of fact we have one of the smallest defense forces in the world.
And we are part of the Commonwealth of Nations.
We are allied with Britain.
And we have strong ties with America.
We actually get 47% of our medical aid from America.
Ohhh yea... Did I mention that we have a mix model of state run healthcare and private healthcare 😒
It is very common in Sweden for young newly graduated highschool students that can't find a job to join a university program just to get money. Tuition is free and you get a small grant per month, around 300USD equivalent and then you are allowed to borrow around another 300USD which you later have to pay back when you start working. Its like an sms loan, super easy way to quickly get cash. Result is that tons of people start studying something they are not interested in just for the "free" money and the partying. After a year when they have failed most of their courses they are not allowed to continue the next year, they quit and are then forced to pay back money, and they still have no job, the one year in uni is worth nothing and your life of living with debt has just started. My class at Uni had 400 ppl enrolling on day one, half were gone in a year and less than 100 finished all 4 years of our program.
This reminds me of the statement “There is no such thing as free lunch.”’
keep shining the light!
also, both in the Netherlands as in Germany there are systems to ban certain students from certain educations
the result? they all go to flemish universities to study for veterinarian or so on there
Really? Do you have links you can share with us about that?
Wow I never knew that
A lot of these schools also limit the type of major you can get at their school because they are deem a bad investment. So the theatre majors may not be covered in free college.
There is such thing as a free lunch, but it's usually carb heavy and you'll be subjected to unspeakable ideological narratives. - Drybones
If using the term free for paying a tiny fraction over a lifetime instead of a massive lump sum now is the biggest problem with Sweden education system u need to move on to a real issue
So let's not move on.
It all depends if you go to a college here in Sweden but let us say the parents/college is within the distance you can avoid loans altogether, but of course, as you work through your life until retirement the taxes you pay some will go to college so either way, you will pay for it one way or another. Sweden is far more capitalist then most people think.
It's definitely has its weakness (no system is perfect). The student still has to pay his/her own daily live expense like the current system. But compared the advantages and disadvantages iin short & long term to the current system, it is a better system.
I am a current college student, I would never advocate for "free college", however universities are getting out of hand of how they continuously increase tuition, they're actively trying to make massive amounts of profit, higher education should not be treated with the exact mind set of a giant corporation of how to maximize profits
One difference might be that to stay in business those other corporations have to sell you something of value.
@@WeTheInternetTV true, but universities increase tuition in matter of loop holes by claiming they need increase tuition because of installing useless amenities like a lazy river. They do this buy preying on the fresh out of high school and vote on installing these things
That is one possible tiny positive in this mess of a coronavirus pandemic. Once all these colleges and universities go completely online there is less incentive to pay for brick and mortar buildings with seats and amenities. It might be a spark to reimagine the education system.
Of course the price is going up, the government keeps giving people "free rides" or the people that use loans to pay for college. Of course they'll raise the price because people keep paying for it like morons
it cost them their country, letting educated midwits think its ok to import the third world and expect their way of life to continue.
Cost them there country? U seem to be a great example of what not to do as an educational standard
Sorry, but no. It is the most -educated- indoctrinated among us today that seem to be the most likely to be making these kinds of laws, changes. Do you think the stats on Marxism favorability, lack of any right winger support, etc in higher academia in places like the US is an accident?
I realize someone's level of education is pointless unless they the other important components to go with it.
@@prospero4183 *their
There is some key facts missing here. You don't need to take a student loan here in Sweden. You will get about $300(monthly) in student welfare, and on top of that you can choose to take a student loan if you want or need to in order to pay for your housing or whatever. It's a rather misleading video.
So you can live on $300 a month is Sweden?
Then why do 85% of students in Sweden graduate with student debt according to the Atlantic article shown in this video?
@@WeTheInternetTV If you work part time and manage your studies at the same time, $300 student welfare will be very helpful. If you on the other hand don't want to work while you are studying, then feel free to take a student loan.
@@christophekeating21 Many people take unnecessary student loans because they can. If you ask random people on the street if they would like to receive a low interest loan, that if you find yourself unable to pay it back, you can just postpone the payments until next year, or until you start earning income, most people would gladly take that money.
@@shaqjfk Obviously it's misleading. American conservative media only make propaganda.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE LUNCH!
But missleading to say that uni is not free.
You actually get paid around 350 dollars a month to go to uni. If you live at home during the tlme you study and dont take loans you actually make money going to uni ;)
Nothing is free. But compared to americans paying 30 thousand dollar yearly it can be considered "free".
This is just a cut out from your other video. I'm shook.
We're out to blow minds. You're welcome.
Grunts in Bernie Boys
I have no problem with higher taxes for more education.
And like I said in the last video, I’m not taking that lady at her word. I want to see numbers to back her up. Also what about Swedish college students who have jobs, or still live at home, or are given some kind of allowance to live off of? Using her logic those kids would have no debt.
I do, I shouldn't have to pay more in taxes because you want to go to college. Pay your own damn way
If only we could agree on what constitutes education, we'd have more productive discussions.
Debt is money that needs to be paid back, no?
You can check out this article from a little back. qz.com/85017/college-in-sweden-is-free-but-students-still-have-a-ton-of-debt-how-can-that-be/
@@ThisisKyle
Exactly....It's always boils down to that doesn't it? Someone wants to take another persons money using the government as a way to do it.
According to the New York Times article, "An international final four: which country handles student debt best?"
"In Sweden, average debt levels are similar - the equivalent of around $21,000 - even though students borrow only for living expenses (Swedish universities do not charge tuition)."
According to the Atlantic article shown in this video, 85% of students in Sweden leave with debts, which is a lot more than in the US.
Some countries, like France, where I live, have almost no student debt because the government also pays stipends to students for living expenses. But not only does this weigh on public spending, it also means much smaller budgets for public universities so the government can try to reduce the costs. If you look at the top universities internationally, then look at the costs for studying there you'll see what I mean.
There is no reason why most degrees can not affordably be acquired through lectures recorded and distributed digitally to students across the country, without the need for physical classrooms, except in the case of testing, and laboratory classes. A liberal arts degree should cost you four figures, not five or six. Of course, if millions of students did not pay billions and trillions of dollars into useless degrees, there would be no academics left to spend years and decades studying and teaching useless subjects.
And we can't have that. That's an integral part of creating Democrat voters.
Want "free" education? Join the American military, apply for tuition assistance and earn as many degrees as you want while serving. Still in all, it is not "free", this tuition assistance is paid for by the taxpayers (while serving we still pay taxes).
Endless war = endless education
Land value tax
Hey
I'm not willing to have my taxes subsidize any moron's indoctrination when they can do it for free. Or at least the cost of the internet bill per month. How? Tell them all to get on Twitter and other social media.
Was there supposed to be more? He gets cut off mid word.
Well this one is not really delivering correct with information at all. I'm coming from Finland with a very similar education system as in Sweden so already based on that it's unlikely that there is any truth behind the claim of high student loans. This is also easy check with just 5 mins of googling. The average total depth seems to be circa 20kUsd for a graduated student ( actual school doesn't effect to this because there is no tuition ) in Sweden . In Finland a graduated student got a 8500€ student loan in average. For a graduated university student the average loan is 11500€ ( after 5 years in university). The money is spent in normal living cost like rent & food.
Pure propaganda. I am a student in sweden yet i have 0 debt and have even gained money studying even when I was working, how is that possible according to this video? My sister gained around 150 000 kr studying because she lived at home during the years she studied and so do I therefore I have no loan and CSN provides me with around 300 dollars a month that I don't ever have to pay back. You certainly don't care about nuance at all, you forgot to mention that the rate on the loan is so incredibly low that it will be paid off by retirement and if it's not it will be paid off automaticly.
Obviously it's propaganda. It's made for republicans or libertarians. Facts matter so little.
This guy should take a good look around the countries of Western Europe. It’s plain to see that they are doing a better job of caring for the needs of most of their citizens than we do in the USA. Of course, socialized medicine isn’t free, just like America’s ridiculous amount of military spending isn’t free.
College is "free" in Brazil. And is horrible.
Nothing is free.
Who is this lady? Where are the references for the underlying facts?
Go to Sweden yourself and ask her.
So u pay for living without income for 6 yrs and get into debt and good education instead of shite/great. That seems to be a better standard. Stop trying to pretend the perfect educational system exists. Neither gov funded or private works for every case.
How do you define "good education"?
@@WeTheInternetTV doesn't it depend on the student. Send a genius to a shite school and they will shine, send an moron to the best school in the world and no amount of money and time will make them what they are not. Gov run schools gets the average student enough to succeed of fail on their own without money being an issue. Like most gov run ventures it's far from perfect, but making it private wouldn't solve the debt problem. It would just change the payment method.
Krona that’s racist. 😂
Something Given Has No Value
Even worse, the illusion is that it is given so you don't appreciate it then when you have wasted it and are poorly paid at some job far below your education, hello payback high taxes on my shit income! It wasn't even free after all.
Always reckon the bill up front. Always.
lol what BS. Swedish students have high “debt” because there is like 0,5% interest on student loan so ofcouse we’re gonna take it, it’s the best loan you’ll ever get.
And the reason why we don’t get return from education is because
1: Useless education like feminist theory.
2: Swedes care more about experience than degrees so lots of students quit on their last semester cause they already have a part-time job which often leads to full-time employment regardless if you finish the degree or not. On paper this looks like a ‘loss’ since the student doesn’t finish his education.
Socialism best described as mediocre. But what if I want to do my best, that's right if we go socialist I cannot do that.
Indeed it's not socialism and not mediocre. Swedish Universities are among the best in the world and are not expensive (condensing the taxes to finance it). Simply a small country normally Does not have prestigious university such Harvard or Mit. Usa is a huge country.
We Swedes are in a weird way proud of our mediocrity. We love to call our country the country of "lagom", "lagom" being a very subjective word for in between. Like, how do you like your steak? "Lagom". How much money do you make? "Lagom". Its a good answer to most things since the answer is very subjective, neither bad or good you can use it without hurting someones feelings when they ask you for your opinion about something (hurting someones feelings is a horrible crime in Sweden). It's almost like "lagom" is better than best, because Swedes don't want to be different. We have this socialist mindset of how everyone should be equal and even pointing out someone to be better than the norm can in certain cases be insulting I feel. This extremely important part of our culture and that is why Swedes, take Pewdiepie for example, tend to thought of as very humble especially by Americans. So personally I think it is not only bad, it is good to be humble too, but this idea of "Lagom" means that most Swedes prefer to have only mediocre Schools, instead of a mix of bad, mediocre and great schools.
The problem of what you say is that "mediocre" university in Sweden is better than most american universities. I think Bergh is stupid or dishonest, cause you can't compare Sweden with Usa about university, different history, culture and dimensions. A country with 10 millions can't be a superpower like a 340 million country. In USA the power matters, in Europe it's mostly the standard of living that matters most. In USA they have an anorexic welfare state also cause they spend most public money for military sector.
Also the woman is spreading falsity. Cause Swedish study debt is nothing compared to american debt for tuition fee.
People who don't earn, don't deserve free anything.
Trump should play this at every Bernie Sanders rally.
yall were mad funny until you started to Trojan house GOP talking points. Unsubscribing. And yea, I'm A N N O U N C I N G it.