I’ve been running D4 on SteamDeck since release, it works fantastic. I can run my game on High setting with FSR on balance no problem. Frame rate stays between 50-60 all of the time. I wish SteamDeck would have been optimized before making this video, I would have liked to seen the difference between the two devices then.
I’m hopefully going to be getting an ROG Ally soon, I think I like the look better than the steamdeck but for me it boils down to the fact that the steam deck is just way too big and heavy for my smaller hands, it makes gaming on it feel like somewhat of a chore so I’m hoping the Ally can fix that.
Steam deck has enough performance to run games at it's small screen resolution. But once you dock it to the TV "Nintendo switch style" - the picture either turns crap (if "Default" resolution is selected @ game properties), or the performance hits the bucket (if the Resolution is set to Native). For me, the ROG Ally looks preferrable, because it's peformance matches it's screen resolution. And 1080P resolution is enough for a game to look good on a TV.
Compare ally vs steam deck with switch is a great way to know if you need to buy the new device. If you are a docked person, ally make much more sense, but if you are a portable person, stay away from ally.
I’ve owned both now and ended up selling the deck after getting the Ally. Main reason besides power was the VRR. Games at almost 60fps FEEL like a silky 60fps. Now that we can use 900p, it feels like that is the Ally’s sweetspot resolution and D4 still runs great at med/high settings at 900p.
What temps were you seeing on the Ally? (Cant adjust vid quality) I get 65-75 FPS on Medium settings adjusting things like fur to low on 15w (handheld) @1080p with custom fan curves. System stays 50-55c.
Always confused by the Deck vs Ally Comparisons where they lower the Ally to the speed of the Deck to compare which makes no sense since the scaling of the performance to the hardware available is not linear. It's like comparing a Honda civic to a Ferrari and lower the Ferrari to the speed of the Honda and then say "I thought this would be faster". The reviewer is completely ignoring the performance benefit to FSR to run with the better CPU and GPU. So a fair comparison is to compare the best settings on the Deck to the best visual and performance settings on the Ally. I am a Deck 512 owner and also a Rog Ally owner and it's night and day running the same settings on both devices. Running with FSR Quality (900p upscaled) with adjusted to taste sharpening and at 1080p VRR uncapped easily hitting 85-90 fps with Shadows set to low (Custom). Rog set to performance or Turbo depends on how long you plan to play. THIS is a fair comparison where both devices are at their theoretical Max capability. The Ally does more at lower wattages. But that is a per game. Playing a game like Child of light I drop to silent or DIG 2, 1080p silent mode gives hours of battery life no game performance loss. For Diablo 4 reduce shadows when on medium and increase Anisotropic to max (less than 1% fps loss but large image complexity increase)
On the Deck I play with a 45fps cap. Works well. Wattage is important to anyone that wants to use the device untethered. I'm sure that describes a very small fraction of the _handheld gaming PC_ community.
I put the deck at 40hz and cap it at 40. I can play at 8 watts doing this. That said my friend bought the ally. It feels significantly nicer to hold and play on. The deck is a skateboard with bricks tied to it. The ally is actually a handheld you can hold and play vs prop up against something.
@@darkdagon6 No what? The deck isnt a brick? You dreaming? The ally actually feels like a handheld. The deck is almost completely unusable unless propped on a desk or pillow.
Have you tried reinstalling the system to fix your bumper? Inside the BIOS, under Advanced settings. You can download and refresh the SSD with a fresh (mostly updated) copy of the OS directly from the servers. BTW: this is what you do after upgrading the SSD (i upgraded to a 2TB drive). This not only solved some of my problems with the device, it seemed more (completely) stable. I had the finger print reader bug (gone), the keyboard not showing during setup (gone), random crashes of Armory Crate (gone). Performance really didn't improve. However I hadn't installed much to compare this.
If you set to 720p and turn on rsr you get the best of both worlds. Rsr will upscale to 1080p and make the image look good while giving you closer to the frame rate of 720p.
Just check your Bios version. "BIOS 319 appears to reduce in-game performance by up to 20%, with even ASUS advising fans that they can skip updating for now."
@@TamasKiss-yk4st true. Add Cryobytes tinkering, and plugins like powertools,etc. To it. I have both consoles and the story is pretty much the same. I remember the joystick drift and power button problems,etc. People forgot but the Deck was good and became great over time. It's main problem remain compatibility and control/visual latency. The Ally also has it's rough edges but its great nonetheless!
Thanks for adding fsr. If you run the ally at 1080p with fsr quality it’s scales from 720p. FYI. Also turn down image sharpening as over sharpening can cause that fuzzy looking image.
Can you do a video comparing performance with all the latest driver/firmware updates to the Ally? I hear it gained a lot performance wise after the recent bug fixes. Curious how it compares to the Steam Deck's performance now.
it looks pretty good, if you're a console gamer, I don't recommend the ally. if you're a pc gamer, and you're used to tweaking some settings, the get the ally!
Steam deck runs great now with shadows on medium and everything else at Maxed settings. With quality mode. It’s 60 fps most the time now with the updates. Best dang handheld for the price.
Keeping my deck for at least 2 years. Ally looks great but i hear some issues with buttons, joysticks and wird bios updates lowering performance. Also doesnt perform that great under 15w since its basically a laptop apu. 2-3 years from now we can expect real bangers im sure. Now it feels more like early acess .. still i would rather buy Ally than AyaNeo lol.
@@illogik because people like to bandwagon the Steam deck. No one craps about the steam deck problems when it launched but craps all over others. Obviously you can tell they are steam deck fanboys, or they make comments to justify their decision of having a steam deck because they can't afford to buy another one. Portable Win handheld device has already been in the market for 8 years with GPD Win products, but all the steam deck fan boys and owners think hand held device market started when the Steam deck was release. This really irks me because i have been following the portable handhelds for awhile now. The fact that also, Valve decided to focus on US, CANADA, UK and EU markets for distribution only and are only available in limited countries is annoying. I have to jump through so much shipping cost and hoops just to get a one. All these comments by fanboys about the steam deck and crapping on other handhelds, are just a handful of people who owns a steam deck and have 0 knowledge about the portable handheld industry and swears by the steam deck to their graves by being a sheeple.
@@neverfix5386 100% worse. How could you even lie about that? Steam os at launch was buggy as hell and really still is which is why windows is so popular on handhelds. You can even see the reviews from its launch. They almost all said it’s an unfinished product. Valve wouldn’t even launch their sever to see dock till months later because the deck still needed upgrading.
@@illogik ya exactly. I went from extremely excited for the Steam Deck to annoyed but excited when the launch and delivery delays happened. Then I was really excited again when I finally got mine and eventually slowly kept getting disappointment after disappointment whether that disappointment was dock mode not working at all in the beginning or that disappointment being so many of my already purchased steam games weren't verified or that disappointment being when I'd play some unexpectedly demanding games (Risk of Rain 2 on lvl20+) at heavy points see a steady 10fps. I've gone through all those scenarios on the Ally and don't have an issue like I did with my steam deck. Steam Deck has its place for sure but it has foundational limitations because of Linux being the OS that steam OS is built on. An OS that hardware and software manufacturers in the gaming market hardly pay attention to. It's why not all games are verified. It's why steam OS was super buggy in the beginning and why the steam deck had troubles getting dock mode working in the first place.
Will it not take a bigger toll on either device if we constantly play while charging? Doesn't that ruin or wear down the battery much quicker like on cellphones? I'm looking to get one for D4 but fear I may wear it down too quickly if I keep playing while plugged in.
I don’t get why he would still make gameplay vids on a defective unit. Removes credibility and misleads people in case the performance also took a hit on the software side besides the hardware issue he is dealing with that bumper
Just got this device and was previously a steam deck owner. I have to admit, I miss the steam UI but the RoG has so much better performance. Took a little while to tune it and now running 60fps without FSR on Diablo 4 and loving it. I prefer sharper image. It’s also feels much lighter the steam deck.
As an insane person, I have both now. I think I'll use the rog ally for most pc games and high end emulation, and use the Steam deck for emulation and games that make use of the track pads and extra buttons.
ROG Ally, it's still running early software over time it will get better more significantly, also VRR makes huge difference for me at 40-50FPS these can do
It's up to you, and both have their pros and cons. I chose Steam Deck because it has a pause, you can just turn it off, and then immediately turn it back on and continue playing from the same place
Interesting to see how much this game likes lower resolution. Some games don’t care much in performance. Also would have been interesting to see the ally running at 15 watts for a more apt comparison.
Also I think it's useful show the performance you get on the Ally around 18-20 TDP since after 20 you get less performance increase for the extra wattage which is more ideal running on the battery.
@@GrimAbstract I'm just surprised :) I want to know the reason behind it. Is it bc the APU architecture is designed like that, that it needs min 20W to work optimally? Or is it bc of how games are designed, that the most demanding computations require 20W while the rest is just "trivial" stuff?
@@zainmushtaq4347on battery, the ally will only go to around 30W. So the difference between in performance depends heavily on the age of the game, so on a new AAA game, going from 20W to 30W you only get like a 10% increase at most. It’s a lot in terms of percentages, but think of it this way, most AAA new games will run at like 40-55fps so 10% will usually mean it’s not locked at 60fps while anything higher than 20W usually means a total system draw of 30-40W, even up to 45W on a 40W battery means less than 1hour battery life. So running on battery you get diminishing returns. The Ally is not the only portable pc on the market with that issue, but it is what is being compared here. Hope that helps.
@@dbgt777 Thanks for commenting, really appreciate it 😇 But, _why_ does an increase from 20W to 30W only net a 10% increase? I'm really curious as to why the reason for that is. You've shown the empirical data, but I wish to understand the mechanism behind :)
This is really lacking in settings optimizations for the steamdeck. It’s not framelocked because D4 has a lot of network stutters even on a 4090, but that’s not a limitation of the GPU and you can easily grind 60fps on 800p medium. Even better than that, you can drop to low settings and run 800p 40hz with 6W and get 3-4 hours of battery life out.
This device should be able to run at 1080p high settings getting 100fps. Disappointed you have to lower to 720p to get the high fps, defeats purpose imo and just stick with the SD at 800p low settings lock at 50-60fps.
I had the 512gb steam deck and sold it too get a rog ally, after spending 5 says with the rog im sending it back and getting a steam deck again as the battery life is just terrible for an otg device, and the overall ui armoury crate just is not my cup of tea.
Just came from Best Buy having full intentions of buying a ally and I’m convinced all you guys on UA-cam are liars i held the display model they have there and literally it’s crazy uncomfortable. Not even trying to hate I was looking for any reason to like it
I have the deck but I think if you don’t have any you should get the rog. I’m not here to trash the deck I love mine actually but if you have the money the significant power bump is worth it alone
@@Senorgrav for me it only makes me wait longer, til the Rog has gone through some changes, maybe in a year. I kept hearing the buttons, the right buttons, had a tendency to stick. Now in this video his left bumper failed out of the box. Im betting they went cheap on the interactables to keep the price down.
I have my Asus ROG Ally since drop have no issues with any of the buttons at all I have Ben enjoy the Ally I have a steam deck to they are both good devices it’s a mater of preference I Ben playing pubg on the Ally and it’s Ben great the only issue I have is battery and lack of accessories !
I say if you use it strictly for games and plan to have it plugged in more often then go for the powerful ally. But I feel like with the decks touch pads it makes navigating the web and desktop so much easier. And the decks battery life is already bad I can’t imagine having even less
I play Diablo IV on steam deck 13w 40fps ultra settings, Proton GE 8-3 +CryoUtilites +4gb video memory).So who wants stable fps advise a little trouble with the settings it is worth it)
can you hold stable 40 all the time ? im running windows and tried ultra preset. Its 40fps but stutter a lot. I was curious if steamos perform better here
Cryoutilities is so worth it. It was struggling to maintain 60fps no matter the settings until I set it up. Now it holds a consistent and smooth 60 on steam deck except in rare instances, and I am able to keep the texture quality high (which I think impacts fidelity the most). It does hitch every once in a while, but it feels way better than 40 hz. I have FSR on balanced and it's running on SteamOS.
Framerate is not superior to image quality. As long as the game plays at 32 fps, go with the highest resolution you can! That's the name of the game, not the continuous increasing of the frame rate number! Don't fall to the marketing hype. Image resolution is superior to framerate, your final analysis is flawed.
720p res on 1080p screen wont look as good as native 720. Its even worse with fsr. But thats my only complaint towards Ally screen. For older titles it must be a godsent.
@@kevinford6372 The biggest issue isn't battery life, but performance. You have to sacrifice more performance at 1080p, which is one of the reasons why the steam deck has a 800p resolution screen in the first place.
Also need to bear in mind that the Ally has a VRR display so frame rate fluctuations above 40 are barely (if at all) noticeable. No tearing, no stutter. This alone is a huge advantage over steam deck.
I love this it’s a new era first it was the Xbox and the PlayStation wars and now it’s the steam decks and R.O.G ally’s wars I think the future is around the corner unless it’s here already ether way it’s happening 😅
I think losing the touchpad is too much of a sacrifice. Would like a nicer screen and beefier hardware though but I don’t really trust Asus stuff. All my Asus stuff except for the routers don’t seem to last very long.
Have both dont see much better performance in fps in 720p but 8-15 on most hopefully these things will get ironed out in they coming months online games work great to have more then 60 fps on online is the only reason i got it
Crazy how the Ally runs on windows but has problems running games. Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga runs like crap and some racing games crash as soon as you try to load in on a track
That the ROG Ally uses Windows is a selling point is subjective. I don't like Windows and I'm glad Valve is managing to make PC gaming independent from it so, to me, that the Steam Deck uses Linux instead of Windows is a selling point.
Man, that deffective left bumper seems like a feature from asus, its like at least 50% of users has that issue, im not suprised though, asus quallity control is and always has been awful. Its a decent device, but theres no reason to go from deck to ally. Not yet.
Press Ctrl-R ingame to show the ingame framerate counter (it'll show up on the bottom left corner, press it twice to see latency) This is useful because I don't see many performance reviewers, if any, mentioning the fact that third party frame counter/analytics TAX performance by up to 5% or more in some cases, so it's a slightly skewed view if you rely solely on heavy third party performance OSDs. This is probably even more relevant on more modest hardware and/or lower TDP chips.
you should N E V E R use presets - NEVER. Tinker with all games, mostly the shadows, AA and details like grass, objects are cramping performance. Activate DLSS and pendants. lock FPS at 60. Have you never done this? and STAY at 1080p and lower RESOLUTION PERCENTAGE. This way you get the higher DPI with lower resolution which increases performance like setting 720p - but you can adjust this to be hihger than 720p. So you should set shadows MED Textures MED AA off or low and tinker with the rest.
Ally fan boys are basically gaming pc boys because all they can come up with is "higher specs" and "you cant afford one thats why!" News flash fan boys ive got a ps4 ps5 switch gaming pc and a steam deck and can most certainly afford one if i chose to buy one but im not. I chose steam deck right before ally launched after doing my research on them both and sorry to say but "higher specs" doesnt make the game/console its the OS and the software available that make it worth it and we all know windows is just a fool proof OS for dummies and Linux is far superior and the only reason why windows is more popular is because anyone can use it, as i said "fool proof" steam also has a much better service with the steam app and how they handle sales for the games on the deck. Also the track pads with diablo 4 or any diablo game at that makes it to where you have best of both worlds aka mouse and controller both worlds being mouse and keyboard vs controller which is something ally doesn't have. Yeah you gotta jump through hoops to play d4 on SD but again i repeat windows is fool proof and linux is for more serious users who know how to really use a computer. I haven't had to change a single setting to have d4 run on my SD and it runs smooth as butter. Yeah FR isnt as good as ally can put out but im not a specs baby like a gaming pc user all i care about is does it run smooth enough for me to enjoy and is the game itself good. The only thing ally takes the cake for is its specs and that was definitely not enough for me to choose it over SD. SD>Ally Edit: also the flashy lights!? Common why does everything pc have to have flashy lights? Thats so g^y and one last thing is the white shell.....hate to break it to y'all but get good at modding a consoles shells or suffer watching it stain because all white is known to stain from your hands with sweat or if its left to collect dust for long periods so my suggestion is clean it very often or mod it cause it will stain after awhile.
Id only buy the rog alley for docking thats it ,but in you hands the steam deck is fine 🙂👌im keeping my deck and supporting vale ,ill wait for the steam deck 2 by then better batterys will be here and the steam deck stil king 🤴
For all steamdeck users! Set the settings in diablo to Medium, Texture High. FSR balance and 60 FPS. Works flawless!!!!!
Thanks for this my friend, you helped me run much better on steam deck
I can't wait to try it!
I just use everything on low with tier 30+ NM dungeons to get better performance
I’ve been running D4 on SteamDeck since release, it works fantastic. I can run my game on High setting with FSR on balance no problem. Frame rate stays between 50-60 all of the time. I wish SteamDeck would have been optimized before making this video, I would have liked to seen the difference between the two devices then.
I have no Problems on steam deck with diablo 4 the problem is the energy i can play 1 houre and with low settings and low fps 40 i can play 3 houres
I’m hopefully going to be getting an ROG Ally soon, I think I like the look better than the steamdeck but for me it boils down to the fact that the steam deck is just way too big and heavy for my smaller hands, it makes gaming on it feel like somewhat of a chore so I’m hoping the Ally can fix that.
"oh I can't heal (cause left bumper is defective)" runs immediately past a health fountain that the bottom button can interact with.... :)
Steam deck has enough performance to run games at it's small screen resolution. But once you dock it to the TV "Nintendo switch style" - the picture either turns crap (if "Default" resolution is selected @ game properties), or the performance hits the bucket (if the Resolution is set to Native). For me, the ROG Ally looks preferrable, because it's peformance matches it's screen resolution. And 1080P resolution is enough for a game to look good on a TV.
Compare ally vs steam deck with switch is a great way to know if you need to buy the new device. If you are a docked person, ally make much more sense, but if you are a portable person, stay away from ally.
@@kozuskoo Dam what ever happened to having both options?
I’ve owned both now and ended up selling the deck after getting the Ally.
Main reason besides power was the VRR. Games at almost 60fps FEEL like a silky 60fps.
Now that we can use 900p, it feels like that is the Ally’s sweetspot resolution and D4 still runs great at med/high settings at 900p.
What temps were you seeing on the Ally? (Cant adjust vid quality)
I get 65-75 FPS on Medium settings adjusting things like fur to low on 15w (handheld) @1080p with custom fan curves. System stays 50-55c.
Do a 15w to 15w comparison. Performance and battery life.
Make sure your on bios 317 before this comparison
Always confused by the Deck vs Ally Comparisons where they lower the Ally to the speed of the Deck to compare which makes no sense since the scaling of the performance to the hardware available is not linear. It's like comparing a Honda civic to a Ferrari and lower the Ferrari to the speed of the Honda and then say "I thought this would be faster". The reviewer is completely ignoring the performance benefit to FSR to run with the better CPU and GPU. So a fair comparison is to compare the best settings on the Deck to the best visual and performance settings on the Ally. I am a Deck 512 owner and also a Rog Ally owner and it's night and day running the same settings on both devices. Running with FSR Quality (900p upscaled) with adjusted to taste sharpening and at 1080p VRR uncapped easily hitting 85-90 fps with Shadows set to low (Custom). Rog set to performance or Turbo depends on how long you plan to play. THIS is a fair comparison where both devices are at their theoretical Max capability. The Ally does more at lower wattages. But that is a per game. Playing a game like Child of light I drop to silent or DIG 2, 1080p silent mode gives hours of battery life no game performance loss. For Diablo 4 reduce shadows when on medium and increase Anisotropic to max (less than 1% fps loss but large image complexity increase)
Are both still playable while charging? Especially with D4? I'm looking to get one for D4. 😁
18w seems to be the sweet spot for the Ally.
18w just for apu, add +10w for the whole system to work and it will sum up to like 30w+
On the Deck I play with a 45fps cap. Works well.
Wattage is important to anyone that wants to use the device untethered. I'm sure that describes a very small fraction of the _handheld gaming PC_ community.
Thats True i use most times 40hz for Story Mid Paced Games and higher Paced Games 45hz rarely 60hz is a must such as Doom Eternal Cod Zombies
I put the deck at 40hz and cap it at 40. I can play at 8 watts doing this. That said my friend bought the ally. It feels significantly nicer to hold and play on. The deck is a skateboard with bricks tied to it. The ally is actually a handheld you can hold and play vs prop up against something.
@@creaturecore13 no
@@darkdagon6 No what? The deck isnt a brick? You dreaming? The ally actually feels like a handheld. The deck is almost completely unusable unless propped on a desk or pillow.
@@creaturecore13 i mean, weight is almost the same, and for me deck is much more comfortable
only took 10w-13w (
Have you tried reinstalling the system to fix your bumper?
Inside the BIOS, under Advanced settings. You can download and refresh the SSD with a fresh (mostly updated) copy of the OS directly from the servers. BTW: this is what you do after upgrading the SSD (i upgraded to a 2TB drive).
This not only solved some of my problems with the device, it seemed more (completely) stable.
I had the finger print reader bug (gone), the keyboard not showing during setup (gone), random crashes of Armory Crate (gone).
Performance really didn't improve. However I hadn't installed much to compare this.
yeah i just did do a full factory reset, didn't fix the bumper but seemed to help some bugs
If you set to 720p and turn on rsr you get the best of both worlds. Rsr will upscale to 1080p and make the image look good while giving you closer to the frame rate of 720p.
Actually you need to set it to 1080P and use RSR then ^^
It’s like DLSS
Lol what he said^
@@IboKnowsBest do you mean 1080p in armory crate and 720p in game?
@@yggdrasil52251080p in both
@@yggdrasil5225 1080p ingame. But you’ll see it if there is an option for that implemented in the game. It won’t work if it isn’t implemented ^^
Just check your Bios version.
"BIOS 319 appears to reduce in-game performance by up to 20%, with even ASUS advising fans that they can skip updating for now."
Asus is struggling with bios updates. Lol.
@@MobileDecay Even steam deck wasn't this good 1 year ago, they just polished to this level with 1 year updates.
@@TamasKiss-yk4st true. Add Cryobytes tinkering, and plugins like powertools,etc. To it.
I have both consoles and the story is pretty much the same. I remember the joystick drift and power button problems,etc.
People forgot but the Deck was good and became great over time. It's main problem remain compatibility and control/visual latency.
The Ally also has it's rough edges but its great nonetheless!
The new bios update is killing performance. I had to downgrade back to 317
@@stevedixon4629 Even with the Hotfix and on auto? For me the hotfix did the trick for the most part.
can you test Cyberpunk and Elden ring ?
Hello.
Have you ever tryed to go on a World Boss at the steamdeck, it is laggy as hell and i dont know what to do :)
Should of tried FSR at 1080p medium in this review. Did you ever get the bumper fixed?
its currently in the shop :/
mind doing a vid on how you got it running on the steam deck?
I think u can tap the potion with touch screen to use it. I know with mouse u can click on the potion to use it.
great vid love the conect keep it up brotha!
Appreciate it!!
What proton version are you running on the deck?
Thanks for adding fsr. If you run the ally at 1080p with fsr quality it’s scales from 720p. FYI. Also turn down image sharpening as over sharpening can cause that fuzzy looking image.
Can you do a video comparing performance with all the latest driver/firmware updates to the Ally? I hear it gained a lot performance wise after the recent bug fixes. Curious how it compares to the Steam Deck's performance now.
it looks pretty good, if you're a console gamer, I don't recommend the ally. if you're a pc gamer, and you're used to tweaking some settings, the get the ally!
Steam deck runs great now with shadows on medium and everything else at Maxed settings. With quality mode. It’s 60 fps most the time now with the updates. Best dang handheld for the price.
Some tips are telling us to use the ally in 720p. Why buy a so powerful device if you need to play worse than deck?
Ill be keeping steam deck for years to come, ally is great but i would use that for emulation mainly, always had a bad experience with asus products
What's your Bios firmware on Rog Ally? I heard if it's the 319 ull have lower performance compared the 317 firmware.
Which Bios are you on 317 or 319 ?
How does it run in groups? Thats what really matters
great test! thanks for the vid!
I almost finished the campaign last night on the deck. Only stopped cuz it was bed time and it was getting kinda difficult in hell
Is your left hand a foot?
Keeping my deck for at least 2 years. Ally looks great but i hear some issues with buttons, joysticks and wird bios updates lowering performance. Also doesnt perform that great under 15w since its basically a laptop apu. 2-3 years from now we can expect real bangers im sure. Now it feels more like early acess .. still i would rather buy Ally than AyaNeo lol.
Just curious how early you got your steam deck which was in even worse shape than the Ally is at the same point in their life cycles.
@@illogik because people like to bandwagon the Steam deck. No one craps about the steam deck problems when it launched but craps all over others.
Obviously you can tell they are steam deck fanboys, or they make comments to justify their decision of having a steam deck because they can't afford to buy another one.
Portable Win handheld device has already been in the market for 8 years with GPD Win products, but all the steam deck fan boys and owners think hand held device market started when the Steam deck was release. This really irks me because i have been following the portable handhelds for awhile now.
The fact that also, Valve decided to focus on US, CANADA, UK and EU markets for distribution only and are only available in limited countries is annoying. I have to jump through so much shipping cost and hoops just to get a one.
All these comments by fanboys about the steam deck and crapping on other handhelds, are just a handful of people who owns a steam deck and have 0 knowledge about the portable handheld industry and swears by the steam deck to their graves by being a sheeple.
@@illogik it was in a bad state, but definitely not worse
@@neverfix5386 100% worse. How could you even lie about that? Steam os at launch was buggy as hell and really still is which is why windows is so popular on handhelds. You can even see the reviews from its launch. They almost all said it’s an unfinished product. Valve wouldn’t even launch their sever to see dock till months later because the deck still needed upgrading.
@@illogik ya exactly. I went from extremely excited for the Steam Deck to annoyed but excited when the launch and delivery delays happened. Then I was really excited again when I finally got mine and eventually slowly kept getting disappointment after disappointment whether that disappointment was dock mode not working at all in the beginning or that disappointment being so many of my already purchased steam games weren't verified or that disappointment being when I'd play some unexpectedly demanding games (Risk of Rain 2 on lvl20+) at heavy points see a steady 10fps. I've gone through all those scenarios on the Ally and don't have an issue like I did with my steam deck. Steam Deck has its place for sure but it has foundational limitations because of Linux being the OS that steam OS is built on. An OS that hardware and software manufacturers in the gaming market hardly pay attention to. It's why not all games are verified. It's why steam OS was super buggy in the beginning and why the steam deck had troubles getting dock mode working in the first place.
Did you compare them with them plugged in too? I pretty much never use these unplugged and the Ally apparently benefits a lot from it.
Will it not take a bigger toll on either device if we constantly play while charging? Doesn't that ruin or wear down the battery much quicker like on cellphones?
I'm looking to get one for D4 but fear I may wear it down too quickly if I keep playing while plugged in.
@@SUSHI4lyf If im not mistaken, ROG Ally has a bypass charging, so it wont affect battery life while playing plugged in all the time.
Sam is this still the same original Rog ally?
In fact I think you just said about the bumper… so it is, your device is absolutely screwed. There’s others getting 100fps at medium.
Might be latest bios that reduces performance by 20-30%
@@MrFL08 not with 1080p resolution. I guess they used 720p. Graphics are blurred in 720p on the rog ally. And in 1080p the text is super small.
@@MrFL08 I think some using dynamic resolution to set the game to hit 120 fps. ( it could have been a different game I thinking of)
I don’t get why he would still make gameplay vids on a defective unit. Removes credibility and misleads people in case the performance also took a hit on the software side besides the hardware issue he is dealing with that bumper
Can you hook up the Ally to a tv or monitor?
Yep
@@sam.alexander.reviews Cool. I just got mine today.
Can’t you remap the buttons so you could use the potion?
When I tried to play it it said my gpu wasn't't supported? Any fix for that?
hmmm, probs a driver issue
Are both of these playable while charging?
Yup
Wonder if we’ll get Diablo on the switch like they did with 3, with major cut backs of course
Just got this device and was previously a steam deck owner. I have to admit, I miss the steam UI but the RoG has so much better performance. Took a little while to tune it and now running 60fps without FSR on Diablo 4 and loving it. I prefer sharper image. It’s also feels much lighter the steam deck.
As an insane person, I have both now. I think I'll use the rog ally for most pc games and high end emulation, and use the Steam deck for emulation and games that make use of the track pads and extra buttons.
You can have steam fire up at boot into big picture mode for a sort of similar experience.
Does your left bumper button just not work at all or only on certain games?? Also shouldve tried it while it was plugged in charging
nah it didn't work straight out of the box, tried a bunch of stuff including a factory reset and never got it to work
@@sam.alexander.reviews ok i was curious because mine doesnt work all the time depending on the game and what format of the game.
doing comparisons now with the known bios regression is a waste of time
Can you play Diablo remotely off of a decktop PC?
Yeah, I'll do it with parsec, works pretty well.
yep!
Moonlight is the best if you have a nvidia gpu
What should i buy? Asus Ally or SteamDeck?
complex question, i'll make a video on it, it'll be a long one haha
Rog ally anyday if u have the budget for it. It's sooo good and so much better.
Steam deck if you want a more console like experience. Ally if you want raw power and can deal with tiny screen windows 11.
ROG Ally, it's still running early software over time it will get better more significantly, also VRR makes huge difference for me at 40-50FPS these can do
It's up to you, and both have their pros and cons.
I chose Steam Deck because it has a pause, you can just turn it off, and then immediately turn it back on and continue playing from the same place
Will there be a PS5 Pro?
A friend of mine got a defective unit too. But it was his sticks and the windows constantly patching an updating that was the problem.
you didnt try RSR or any fidelity FX on the ally
Interesting to see how much this game likes lower resolution. Some games don’t care much in performance.
Also would have been interesting to see the ally running at 15 watts for a more apt comparison.
720p is around a million pixels while 1080p is around 2 million pixels. It’s a much bigger jump than most people realize
@@Knogooseness Wow, so you mean Ally has doubled the resolution with nearly the same frame rates? That's crazy...
Also I think it's useful show the performance you get on the Ally around 18-20 TDP since after 20 you get less performance increase for the extra wattage which is more ideal running on the battery.
"after 20 you get less performance increase for the extra wattage" -- is that true? :O Could you explain why? :)
@@zainmushtaq4347 diminishing returns; he is not lying.
@@GrimAbstract I'm just surprised :) I want to know the reason behind it. Is it bc the APU architecture is designed like that, that it needs min 20W to work optimally? Or is it bc of how games are designed, that the most demanding computations require 20W while the rest is just "trivial" stuff?
@@zainmushtaq4347on battery, the ally will only go to around 30W. So the difference between in performance depends heavily on the age of the game, so on a new AAA game, going from 20W to 30W you only get like a 10% increase at most. It’s a lot in terms of percentages, but think of it this way, most AAA new games will run at like 40-55fps so 10% will usually mean it’s not locked at 60fps while anything higher than 20W usually means a total system draw of 30-40W, even up to 45W on a 40W battery means less than 1hour battery life. So running on battery you get diminishing returns. The Ally is not the only portable pc on the market with that issue, but it is what is being compared here. Hope that helps.
@@dbgt777 Thanks for commenting, really appreciate it 😇 But, _why_ does an increase from 20W to 30W only net a 10% increase? I'm really curious as to why the reason for that is. You've shown the empirical data, but I wish to understand the mechanism behind :)
Could I just get an Ally and install steam os to get the same result?
no, right now Steam OS on Ally does not work
This is really lacking in settings optimizations for the steamdeck. It’s not framelocked because D4 has a lot of network stutters even on a 4090, but that’s not a limitation of the GPU and you can easily grind 60fps on 800p medium. Even better than that, you can drop to low settings and run 800p 40hz with 6W and get 3-4 hours of battery life out.
This device should be able to run at 1080p high settings getting 100fps. Disappointed you have to lower to 720p to get the high fps, defeats purpose imo and just stick with the SD at 800p low settings lock at 50-60fps.
I had the 512gb steam deck and sold it too get a rog ally, after spending 5 says with the rog im sending it back and getting a steam deck again as the battery life is just terrible for an otg device, and the overall ui armoury crate just is not my cup of tea.
Just came from Best Buy having full intentions of buying a ally and I’m convinced all you guys on UA-cam are liars i held the display model they have there and literally it’s crazy uncomfortable. Not even trying to hate I was looking for any reason to like it
please do a video to play diablo 4 on the steam deck ! and do more benchmark like this between the 2 device ^^
Spent an entire week deciding between the ally or the playdate. Decisions decisions
I have the deck but I think if you don’t have any you should get the rog. I’m not here to trash the deck I love mine actually but if you have the money the significant power bump is worth it alone
@@Senorgrav for me it only makes me wait longer, til the Rog has gone through some changes, maybe in a year. I kept hearing the buttons, the right buttons, had a tendency to stick. Now in this video his left bumper failed out of the box. Im betting they went cheap on the interactables to keep the price down.
If you don’t have a gaming pc = deck
I have my Asus ROG Ally since drop have no issues with any of the buttons at all I have Ben enjoy the Ally I have a steam deck to they are both good devices it’s a mater of preference I Ben playing pubg on the Ally and it’s Ben great the only issue I have is battery and lack of accessories !
I say if you use it strictly for games and plan to have it plugged in more often then go for the powerful ally. But I feel like with the decks touch pads it makes navigating the web and desktop so much easier. And the decks battery life is already bad I can’t imagine having even less
diablo runs perfectly on medium on the deck
Unscrew the back of the console a little to fix the stuck button or use some lubrificant.
Brother, i dont mean this in a mean way, but has something happened to your left thumb ?
I really want to get a handheld but I can’t decide
Man the battery life on these things is what really prevents me from getting one, I mean one hour? Lol. Whos playing for one hour?
Nice video bro
I play Diablo IV on steam deck 13w 40fps ultra settings, Proton GE 8-3 +CryoUtilites +4gb video memory).So who wants stable fps advise a little trouble with the settings it is worth it)
can you hold stable 40 all the time ? im running windows and tried ultra preset. Its 40fps but stutter a lot. I was curious if steamos perform better here
Cryoutilities is so worth it. It was struggling to maintain 60fps no matter the settings until I set it up. Now it holds a consistent and smooth 60 on steam deck except in rare instances, and I am able to keep the texture quality high (which I think impacts fidelity the most). It does hitch every once in a while, but it feels way better than 40 hz. I have FSR on balanced and it's running on SteamOS.
Framerate is not superior to image quality. As long as the game plays at 32 fps, go with the highest resolution you can! That's the name of the game, not the continuous increasing of the frame rate number! Don't fall to the marketing hype. Image resolution is superior to framerate, your final analysis is flawed.
Setting it to 720p rather invalidates the 1080p, doesn’t it? Why have that high of a screen resolution, when it won't be used?
But some people will use 1080p and deal with the shorter battery life, depends on what the individual wants. Options are always good
you can play older games and indie games at 1080p 120fps
Options. The fact that you can opt for what you prefer in each game more than validates it.
720p res on 1080p screen wont look as good as native 720. Its even worse with fsr. But thats my only complaint towards Ally screen. For older titles it must be a godsent.
@@kevinford6372 The biggest issue isn't battery life, but performance. You have to sacrifice more performance at 1080p, which is one of the reasons why the steam deck has a 800p resolution screen in the first place.
Asus just need an update for the power usage, direct more watts to gpu and possibly turn off cores when not needed.
Also need to bear in mind that the Ally has a VRR display so frame rate fluctuations above 40 are barely (if at all) noticeable. No tearing, no stutter. This alone is a huge advantage over steam deck.
yeah very true! and because of that it looks SO SMOOTH even at 40-70 fps
I love this it’s a new era first it was the Xbox and the PlayStation wars and now it’s the steam decks and R.O.G ally’s wars I think the future is around the corner unless it’s here already ether way it’s happening 😅
FSR makes variable fps look a lot smoother on the rog ally
I'm using 8W with Low@40FPS which can last 3 hours in Steam Deck when I'm using it outside.
You can break the 120fps cap if you use FSR. Completely pointless imo, but fun to just have Diablo 4 running at High settings at over 120fps 😆
u can play with the asus at high settings 15 watts 720p 40-60 fps.2 settings ar at medium fog and shadow
I love my deck by I'm honestly considering selling it so I can pick up the ally.....
How you're going to sell it I want to sell mines also but new Bec I have to send it in for fixing my r1 button is hard to press
I just stream games from my gaming desktop. the Wifi on the Ally is so much better omg. only consuming 5W while gaming at max settings lmao
HOW YOU DO IT?
@@charmingshrek2627 Steam Remote Play or Moonlight/Sunshine set up on your laptop/desktop
@abujil9680 this 😂 i played like this with my phone before i had sd.
My steam deck keeps crashing after 30mins or so overheating
Put it in the trash 🗑️
Can you test dead space remake please
I think losing the touchpad is too much of a sacrifice. Would like a nicer screen and beefier hardware though but I don’t really trust Asus stuff. All my Asus stuff except for the routers don’t seem to last very long.
No need to spam the A button. Just hold it.
dude low med high etc are different based on hardware ... double check :) and use 720p on both.
Have both dont see much better performance in fps in 720p but 8-15 on most hopefully these things will get ironed out in they coming months online games work great to have more then 60 fps on online is the only reason i got it
I'm playing high with FPS capped at 40 FPS and fsr set to quality with 12 watt I'm getting 2-3 hrs like this on battery
Crazy how the Ally runs on windows but has problems running games. Lego Star Wars Skywalker Saga runs like crap and some racing games crash as soon as you try to load in on a track
Still new more updates are coming
That the ROG Ally uses Windows is a selling point is subjective. I don't like Windows and I'm glad Valve is managing to make PC gaming independent from it so, to me, that the Steam Deck uses Linux instead of Windows is a selling point.
People only love windows because it's a fool proof OS anyone can use it Linux is for people that know how to REALLY use a computer
But the issue is its a hassle for me to play anti cheat games
@@taylorhession1905windows is for people who want to play games with anti cheat. There’s currently no workaround for it.
400dls vs 700dls , amazing how good are that 400dls
Fidelity fx performance 1080 low med settings 60 fps and above
Man, that deffective left bumper seems like a feature from asus, its like at least 50% of users has that issue, im not suprised though, asus quallity control is and always has been awful. Its a decent device, but theres no reason to go from deck to ally. Not yet.
Press Ctrl-R ingame to show the ingame framerate counter (it'll show up on the bottom left corner, press it twice to see latency)
This is useful because I don't see many performance reviewers, if any, mentioning the fact that third party frame counter/analytics TAX performance by up to 5% or more in some cases, so it's a slightly skewed view if you rely solely on heavy third party performance OSDs. This is probably even more relevant on more modest hardware and/or lower TDP chips.
The Ally is legit. To me, it’s already better than the Steam Deck and we’re only in it’s first week.
Hardware yes, software the ally can't hold a candle to the deck at this point in time.
@@Harvey2Tall of course not right now steam deck had months to few years of updates so get your info straight
It probably never will unless valve release their steam os to the public.
@@oladipupodurotimi4754holoISO exists
Yeah. Slightly higher resolution on the Ally. TWICE THE POWER DRAW.
you should N E V E R use presets - NEVER. Tinker with all games, mostly the shadows, AA and details like grass, objects are cramping performance. Activate DLSS and pendants. lock FPS at 60. Have you never done this? and STAY at 1080p and lower RESOLUTION PERCENTAGE. This way you get the higher DPI with lower resolution which increases performance like setting 720p - but you can adjust this to be hihger than 720p. So you should set shadows MED Textures MED AA off or low and tinker with the rest.
Ally fan boys are basically gaming pc boys because all they can come up with is "higher specs" and "you cant afford one thats why!" News flash fan boys ive got a ps4 ps5 switch gaming pc and a steam deck and can most certainly afford one if i chose to buy one but im not. I chose steam deck right before ally launched after doing my research on them both and sorry to say but "higher specs" doesnt make the game/console its the OS and the software available that make it worth it and we all know windows is just a fool proof OS for dummies and Linux is far superior and the only reason why windows is more popular is because anyone can use it, as i said "fool proof" steam also has a much better service with the steam app and how they handle sales for the games on the deck. Also the track pads with diablo 4 or any diablo game at that makes it to where you have best of both worlds aka mouse and controller both worlds being mouse and keyboard vs controller which is something ally doesn't have. Yeah you gotta jump through hoops to play d4 on SD but again i repeat windows is fool proof and linux is for more serious users who know how to really use a computer. I haven't had to change a single setting to have d4 run on my SD and it runs smooth as butter. Yeah FR isnt as good as ally can put out but im not a specs baby like a gaming pc user all i care about is does it run smooth enough for me to enjoy and is the game itself good. The only thing ally takes the cake for is its specs and that was definitely not enough for me to choose it over SD. SD>Ally
Edit: also the flashy lights!? Common why does everything pc have to have flashy lights? Thats so g^y and one last thing is the white shell.....hate to break it to y'all but get good at modding a consoles shells or suffer watching it stain because all white is known to stain from your hands with sweat or if its left to collect dust for long periods so my suggestion is clean it very often or mod it cause it will stain after awhile.
I manage to get 60-70s
Nice. Now maybe one day you’ll match the power of the sorcerer…NOT
Id only buy the rog alley for docking thats it ,but in you hands the steam deck is fine 🙂👌im keeping my deck and supporting vale ,ill wait for the steam deck 2 by then better batterys will be here and the steam deck stil king 🤴
How do you figure better batteries are just around the corner?.
Im hitting 120fps in dungeons while on 1080p...😮😳
Your hand is munted
yeah, birth defect
@@sam.alexander.reviews sucks. i hope the girls are not being pussies about it.
Its super weird you are plaing on 37 watts it 1 hour of play))
Let’s not forget, a freaking button doesn’t work on the ally…. For $700….
Silly to think that’s the case for every single one. I’ve had zero issues with mine since I got it, and so have plenty of others.
為什麼你這一台測試跟別人測試的效能差那麼多 別人1080 還能到60-70fps