@@voultronix761He may not be a scammer but end result is essentially the same, he scammed people. They paid money and end product is nowhere in sight for years now. He may not have that intention, he truly wanted to make this game etc. but end result is the same- people got scammed just not due to malicious intent but inability to properly manage a project and set up realistic goals to work towards.
There's a very old saying ... if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is ..... the game development world seems to be eyeballs deep in people that keep the expression relevant.
If you can handle listening to the rest of this, I'd like to hear it. The woman that asked questions made this guy straight up panic. Showing someone some art, you want to put in your game isn't showing someone the game. A picture of Pac-Man is not a demonstration of Pac-Man. How can he think he's shown people what she was clearly talking about?
Throughout this entire interview, caspian always does the exact opposite of what he says “I won’t make excuses but” “it’s my responsibility but” “I won’t be condescending but”
This is a strategy commonly employed by manipulative people. They first say what you want to hear, then say (and do) something completely different. "I'm really on your side, I just need to cut your pay"
If someone uses 'but' in a sentence, everything before it can be ignored. So basically everything what Caspian has said for the last decade can be ignored.
" we fucked up, and when I say we, I mean ultimately I.... I am accountable for that even though it was not me that did it, I was not responsible for it, it was our web team, but they fucked up and....." This is some fucking David Brent shit right there
Kira... I don't think you're getting it with this guy. It took me a while, but I think I figured it out. He IS showing you the game. You're looking right at it. Caspian is the game's NPC. He's roleplaying a game developer, and we're all here logging into his "game" not realizing we're already in his game. It's VERY meta. I can't say I've seen anything quite like it. It really blurs the lines between fantasy and reality in a new and creative way. Going forward I think this is the perspective I'm going to take.
Well, I can't really contradict your hypothesis. I went (briefly) outside and the world seems incredibly vast. It possesses every single gameplay mechanic I checked. And I am in fact aging . . . hopefully it will be a while before I find out if the soul-reincarnation is functional, but yeah... ( o.o)
I’m more surprised of all the copium the other question askers have, they legit talk to caspian as if he’s really developing a game 💀 in 10 years, bro only made 100k pages describing random plants and random fluff about assets. NO GAME.
@@2thezaza And that's the thing, right? If he had produced ANYTHING that was even slightly playable by people then so many of the detractors wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But he hasn't...
Yeah for real. Caspian basically answered: "I fucked up, no wait, someone else fucked up. No one liked that. So I shutdown the lifeblood for the operation, fired many people, and stop accepting crowd funding; the only source we had that would move the project further." That doesn't sound like anyone who runs a business would do. The whole point of a business is to make money. Since he likes to title himself as CEO a lot, his goal is to make money with his project. It doesn't make sense why he would do a 3rd grade level choice like that unless he had no choice.
@@Leafwink I've gotten the distinct impression over the years that this guy Caspian is one of those "capitalism bad" types who thinks businesses should exist "for the good of society" and not to actually make money.
The first person to bring real, hard hitting questions and statements to the table and it completely fucked Caspian. Over a minute of awkward silence while he tried to figure out how much word salad he could come up with to deflect.
@@alemur4983 Normally I'd write a sarcy comment about anyone who backed this game (due to the initial proposal being frankly, ludicrous) but I actually felt really bad for her when he said she'd been on like every call since the start...those poor people really think this game will come out, even now. ☹
Dude she completely destroyed him. Hearing him lock up and stutter whenever he's presented with actual questions is more than satisfying especially whenever ive followed this from the beginning
It's been a while, maybe he forget how invested we all are lmao. This is top three Kira content right behind Earth2 and Cryptoland. I can't get enough of Caspian's shenanigans.
@@justinm3745 " I can't get enough of Caspian's shenanigans" - Same haha! I know its a terrible situation for everyone that bought in but the level of run arounds and scheming with this guy is truly fascinating.
Caspian: "We have no money." Also Caspian: "I have attorneys that advice me to not take in volunteers." Same Caspian: "Open source I did spoke about in secret with people, yes. But I don't plan on doing it now because of these attorneys." I know that he may have an attorney due to the lawsuit (which I believe was dismissed but can still be re-actived) but from the sounds of things the real CEO is his attorney.
So many gems and insights from this: @46:36 Caspian is so noble and concerned for people during a pandemic, he doesn't want them to spend irresponsibly and crows fund COE. So he falls on the swordd and prevents any further crowd funding. What champion of the people.
Discovered this channel back in the day with first Elyria video and who would have guessed that we were in for a full Caspians saga, so its always a MORE vote from me :D
As a person that makes game devlogs with screen caps of the engine on screen, i just don't understand how Caspian doesn't do that. Here's 30 secs of me creating this object in unity, now we press play, and look we're in the map. Sure its janky but look there's something. It makes you feel like there's literally nothing that launches from the game view on Caspian's machine. Interestingly enough I listened to this while working on my game, almost cried when Caspian cried.
1:02:08 - man who was given money to develop a game for almost a decade cannot think of a way to show how hard he's worked. Caspian is poetry incarnate. please keep doing these, Kira!
As a dev working on 3d graphics for an upcoming indie survival game (we had a trailer run on PS showcase)... yes a trailer does take some very precious dev time, but all in all we sort of salvaged most of it because we will use what you saw in the trailer(like 95%) in the game.
Please do at least one more of these, I really wanna know how that woman continues with him, and your reactions to what they say have been quite funny so far.
A lot happens inside Caspian's head at a rate so high that he thinks he is doing something. All i've heard is that he made promises, read books and justifies still doing nothing. Can he even synchronize the movement of two simple shapes through a p2p connection? can he even make a 3d cube?
Sounds like my ADHD brain trying to do an assignment. 15 pages on something totally unrelated and HOURS 'thinking' about what I want the outcome to look like but not actually doing anything to get there. Feels productive but in reality isnt at all.
1) No. 2) No. -- I don't think at this point that he can deliver even a game _without_ any graphics. But would probably make some devlog posts about it, in all fairness.
56:39 "I want you to understand that's where we are right now" this is always a mistake. People like Caspian will never understand, they outright refuse to understand another person's perspective, but they will gladly string you along and make you waste your time trying to "make them understand". Caspian is never, ever going to admit he sees anything wrong with what he has done, and as frustrating as that is, you can't make him understand how others feel because of his actions.
I can't believe this guy has a lawyer on retainer. If he does, he should fire them immediately if he gave him the OK to go on a Discord Q&A and if he didn't ask before, his lawyers should drop his ass. Also interesting he is talking about what he would do when Elyria is done, so even if he somehow puts out something resembling a game it will be released in maintenance mode. Amazing.
How does this guy support himself. How is he sending his kid to Europe for college ...he said he doesn't work has no income. Did his grandfather invent the wheel?
I would love a third instalment of this. Both videos of the Discord call have been interesting. Regarding Caspian's obsession with his devblogs, as a developer myself, they might have been interesting for people like me to read IF he had released a game. I love post-mortem on games. Listening to game devs discussing what went right and what went wrong is illuminating, but there has to be a game. As of right now, Chronicles/Kingdoms of Elyria can just as well be but a figment of Caspian's imagination. Discussions of an illusionary game's networking code matters very little to anyone.
If you don't do a part 3 I'm going to get Caspian to write an 18 page PDF about your anime girl drinks, though he might fail to meet the deadline on posting it.
It will be an amazing PDF that will enumerate and analyze _all_ anime girls in existence, laying out a complete _waifu theory_ that irrefutably demonstrates from first principles why 2D>3D. Too bad it will never be posted. (" -.-)
This is gold. For everyone not involved, super fun But I believe him feeling this overload while achieving *nothing* It’s a good example of the dunning Kruger effect, he overestimating his abilities Absolutely easy to see for everyone from the outside, but hard to understand and to accept if you are in his position
I feel like including the jousting demo and the parkour demo as progress just shows how low Caspian has set the bar for himself. It's actually insane to me that he wasted money taking those things to PAX.
@@TheMADmk There is footage of their time at pax. The demo they brought would give you charitably 20 seconds of unique gameplay which ironically is good for such a crowded convention.
@@achehex I mean ironically that demo, is a vary reasonable mini game, but it was not a main pillar or focus of the game. Which really make me question whether he quickly realised, this game was unenviable so try to scam people with shinny things for as long as possible, or if he is the worlds most incompetent game dev. With the huge salary he paid himself plus the, rumors of his wife / other family members on the payroll, as well as the land sale system - (ie spending precious time and money creating a website system for people to buy pretend land at eye-watering prices - instead of developing the actual fing game). Makes me lean heavily towards scam / dishonest intent.
@@jdevlin1910the law suit. If he isnt seen to be in the process of delivering *something* for all that crowdfunded money, or gives up and doesnt produce anything at all, that lawsuit could ruin him.
I like how Kira makes it sound like Caspian was granted some monkey's paw wish. Like, everyone in the community will die, but he will spend eternity on this game.
May be in the minority here but I'd unironically love like 3 more videos or whatever of this kind of breakdown from you considering how many more answers (or lack there of) that reveal themself just by Caspian digging himself a continuous hole. Been following this saga for years, some of us are just too invested at this point whether just figurately or literally lmao
He has endless excuses but the woman at the end was dead on. The guy has missed every deadline, he's taken millions of dollars for a project and has nothing tangible to show for it. It doesn't really matter if he "cares" or states he's committed to completing it. If his track record is producing nothing, you can only expect him to continue to deliver nothing.
oh yes this is the stuff caspian's reactions reminds me of a quote a lecturer in college told a friend when he asked to delay the deadline by a solid 24 hours by giving the excuse that he knows he can't deliver: "Come rain or sunshine, come hell or heaven, you still need to deliver by the deadline. I don't care if its complete or incomplete, the most important thing is that you deliver."
I discovered your channel through your coverage of this CoE debacle, and I could and would watch several more hours worth of this AMA alone. Sound only video does not detract from the content for me since I actually generally listen to your vids as if they were podcasts while I’m gaming. I’d like to finish this out in one more video, however long it may be, if you still find this as fascinating as I do (and as long as the algorithm continues to play nice/be beneficial for you- new vids from you tend to find themselves at the top of my feed and hopefully that’s true for most of us here). Thanks for posting this part 2
I’ve briefly worked for people, who had grand ideas that it quickly became obvious that they had no ability to pull off. Those people will be so charismatic about their project that they pull in tons of others who work for free and put in their own money. The fall out is catastrophic, I’ve seen them get death threats too and taken to court. Being a big dreamer is great, but the dream is 1%, the rest is hard work and the ability to delegate.
I care about watching these kira. I never heard of any of this until i watched your channel during the pandemic and learned of this mess. I have to say, i truly do enjoy watching and hearing your opinions on this absolute dumpster fire being called a game, thats run by a man that cant grasp reality. Its very entertaining for me, even though i only know whay ive learned through this channel. Id love to see you keep it up personally
You know, I think that if the CoE actually released, I never would have gotten so much joy out of it, as I am getting from these videos. It's like a never ending comedy, where Mr. Caspian tries to explain how he spent 8mil USD, developing a game nobody has seen and will never see, despite claiming to have it close to a finish line.
@kira thanks so much for keeping up on this! Not just for the people who contributed but for me who loves listening to this to keep me entertained at work
Another absolute banger. Always funny to hear you say "Shut up mate, you're lying" xD Was pretty good to hear ONE person had some great questions for him at least. Even if we don't get to hear you react to the rest of it, it's been a fun ride!
This was so eye opening, and the lady asking those straightforward questions was amazing to hear. In the past I have watched your earliest videos on CoE, along with videos from others such as the Salt Factory, and up until today I was still under the impression that this whole thing was a scam, that it wasn't just stupidity. Now I believe it was, but in truth it doesn't change my opinion that people like Caspian must be held accountable. Similar principle to not knowing the law doesn't exempt one from it. I also began feeling like he's a tragic figure, and perhaps suffering from some sort of mental illness. I honestly feel bad for his family, his kid especially, to have a father like Caspian. I'll definitely watch the next part as well, thank you for covering this for years now Kira!
I don't know what it is about these videos that keeps me coming back. It honestly feels akin to a guilty pleasure trash reality tv show. Re-runs of it for that matter since its always the same loop of "Here's the roadmap/milestone list!", deadline missed, edited roadmap with items from milestone 1 now in milestone 2, no real progression, fog of war problems. I think what I enjoy about these videos from you is that its nice to feel like there's someone else in the room also having a "wtf is Caspian even saying" sort of moment lol. Like when the last "interviewer" who was asking banger questions started bringing up exactly the questions you were just talking about earlier, that feeling of "Awesome. this person gets it, Caspian sure doesn't, but this person, amazing" Appreciate the video! From my end at least I get to hear you chime in and break up some of the Caspian thought dumps, but for you its mostly pure Caspian
PPP loans have specific requirements to apply for forgiveness. Recipients have to submit an application proving that they used the money for payroll & kept a qualifying number of employees in order to not have to pay it back. Companies that do not meet those requirements have to pay PPP loans back, just like a regular loan. Using it for business expenses doesn't mean they used the money illegally per se, as long as they don't lie on the forgiveness application and actually pay it back
I mean best case scenario here is that he didn't apply for forgiveness and has to pay the loan back, meaning his company is still $250,000 in debt to the US government, in addition to being under a class action lawsuit. How can old Jezza here look at a situation like this and still say, oh yeah guys no totally I'm dedicated to finishing this game for sure. Like it's just not going to happen man lol
I mean yeah, I don't watch these, I mostly listen to them while cleaning or cooking, but I'd gladly listen to four more hours of this for what's that worth.
Dude just can't take accountability, it's just an opportunity for him to defend his bad decisions. "Oh yeah, I didn't get this, this, or this done, but I DID get this thing that no one asked for done!" I mean I get it, I have ADHD too, getting those final details done to get a project out the door is the hardest part. But at some point you have to just sit down behind the screen, put on some music, take your meds, and get that shit done.
You are totally right about the trailers. My Game Tech. teacher last week called them Eye Candy. I make vids for the game I am working on besides school and people rather watchg sea water hitting land than actual explanation of how you can almost kill off a type of animal in an area.
Jeremy is what you get if you combine together the following recipe: 1 Part Ego, 1 Part Incompetence, 1 Part Failure, and then 1 Part Coward. The coward part is the spice that holds it all together in his lack of ability to show off all this wonderful stuff he's so proud of. Until that happens, I can't believe or really care all that much he has to say otherwise. Also, it's getting too late now to really show off things. That ship has left port.
I love your long videos. I know they aren't as profitable, but listening to you go on a rant for some reason is relaxing while I work lol. Keep it up! And I hope you are able to get an interview with him.
I’m not a gamer and know nothing about game development but your Caspian coverage is fascinating. What a strange man. Thanks for staying on top of this!
Would be great if you could keep the series going, its very telling. Caspian reminds me of some developers I've worked with over the years. It just sounds like he has no focus, no ability to prioritise and poor project management skills. Switching tech several times, additional projects popping up, low value activities and not a deliverable in sight. Yikes.
I live in the US in Washington (the state where his former office was in the city of Bellevue) and they did change the state laws about 5 years ago or longer where employers couldn’t offer non-paid internships anymore since it was being abused for free labor (because of course companies would). They can still offer internships and treat it like a part-time employee or I think you can earn credits toward graduating if you are going to college. I’m not sure if it is a federal law, but definitely in WA state he would have to compensate people that volunteered to work on his game. I’m not sure of the laws exactly, but I think this is what he is referring to when he talks about declining volunteer workers. He could still hire them on as independent contractors (Microsoft is notorious for doing this which is right down the road from him), but it’s evident he doesn’t want anyone seeing the state of the project.
I am still baffled that people are still expecting this game to be ever released. I truly think that he lives in a constant dream where actions have no real consequence as in real life.
Very senior developer here. I keep hearing how technically adept Caspian is, but he can't be. True devs like to code and show off their software. BS project managers with only reading knowledge of technologies like to read, blog and talk about options... but they don't have the skill or demeanor to actually implement anything. That describes this bloke perfectly. He knows what he's doing - a dev I used to work with would give endless updates on his progress for the previous day. It seemed the more words in his update, the less actual progress there was. I think it's a psychosis at this point. And I can't look away.
I had a job running a production line with about +/-20 people, and some of my peers would report every small useless detail to our managers, in order to appear as they've done more work. Realistically, they barely worked, most of their time was spent pretending to work, not following proper procedures to save time, and pump out more production. We were producing car parts, which I think should be taken seriously. As a result of me caring about quality, my line was often doing worse numbers-wise, so I got blamed for being bad at my job by peers and managers and I had to quit to save face. Keep in mind, that while my line was often a bit slower, we were producing a lot more usable product. The QC department was also a nightmare, half of them didn't even know the tolerances we were working with. Out of every 1000 parts factory-wide, 40 to 60% were returned to us as faulty by our clients. For comparison, out of every 1000 parts that got out of my line, only ~10% had any issues whatsoever, and it was mostly because of unskilled laborers, old imprecise machinery or defects in materials. I consider 10% to be horrible but it was the best I could achieve with what I was given. Was I annoying with my by the book approach? Sure, but we were producing car parts and I was hired to follow procedure. Ironically, following procedure and trying to release high-quality production both helped me rise through the ranks and ended my career. People just don't care about doing a good job sometimes.
I really wish pre renders didn't exist. Kickstarter is mostly done now for huge game projects, thank fuck. But for people who just don't know how 3d graphics or games work in general behind the scenes, it's entirely understandable for them to see the original kickstarter video and think "Wow! This looks so cool!" not knowing you could basically just pay someone a few thousand to do that in blender and slap a watermark that says "proof of concept version 0.1" to make it look vaguely "gamey".
The entire phenomenon that makes these scams possible. It was that so hard with The Day Before. People see that and feel "wow, there's so much done already!" and feel like it's just a matter of putting that together with some additional work.
I'm no game dev but I was told that if your making a multiplayer game, then networking is the first thing you do because it's extremely hard to convert code from single player experience to a multiplayer experience
I'm so invested in this series now! I hardly know what COE is or who Caspian is, but this is a fascinating lot of commentary. I'll very happily listen to 3 more hours. Sorry you cant say CU in the NT, sincerely, an Australian. Fun fact, CU in the NT is a national advertisement for Tourism in Australia for the Nothern Territory.
I thought this was absolutely hilarious, and I'd love to see more! Massive props to that woman who's asking Caspian the first hard questions he's ever been forced to answer. After so many years of him just dodging every question he's been asked, it's so cathartic hearing someone say to his face "No, it's not one deadline, it's EVERY deadline" Chef's kiss, I want to hear your reactions to more of it, keep it up!
Kira, I would superappreciate a video on the PPP loan scam. Taxpayer 0 - 163 Corporate interests, while hardly getting basic services like other developed countries.
I watch/listen to your video as I’m playing a game as I’m sure others do may as well. Your documentaries about this game is how I found both of your channels, so I really hope you continue to follow this saga and post more videos of this interview.
The Kickstarter backers essentially gave him money to Cosplay as a CEO/Game developer for the past decade. Got it.
Basically this. I mean he's not a scammer ,probably truly believes he's the man
@@voultronix761He may not be a scammer but end result is essentially the same, he scammed people. They paid money and end product is nowhere in sight for years now. He may not have that intention, he truly wanted to make this game etc. but end result is the same- people got scammed just not due to malicious intent but inability to properly manage a project and set up realistic goals to work towards.
You also described 99% of crypto
@@StevenZagaris You're probably being kind with that 99% number (imho).😉
There's a very old saying ... if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is ..... the game development world seems to be eyeballs deep in people that keep the expression relevant.
If you can handle listening to the rest of this, I'd like to hear it. The woman that asked questions made this guy straight up panic. Showing someone some art, you want to put in your game isn't showing someone the game. A picture of Pac-Man is not a demonstration of Pac-Man. How can he think he's shown people what she was clearly talking about?
Please Kira
“That is squarely on me…. It just wasn’t my fault” lol what
Yeah that was hard to listen to. Almost every excuse was someone elses fault.@@LiterallyJustAnActualPotato
Throughout this entire interview, caspian always does the exact opposite of what he says “I won’t make excuses but” “it’s my responsibility but” “I won’t be condescending but”
This is a strategy commonly employed by manipulative people. They first say what you want to hear, then say (and do) something completely different. "I'm really on your side, I just need to cut your pay"
If someone uses 'but' in a sentence, everything before it can be ignored. So basically everything what Caspian has said for the last decade can be ignored.
Or instead of answering the question he talks about how sad the question makes him.
he's an ass-man confirmed
My thoughts exactly!
" we fucked up, and when I say we, I mean ultimately I.... I am accountable for that even though it was not me that did it, I was not responsible for it, it was our web team, but they fucked up and....."
This is some fucking David Brent shit right there
Id' feel more confident if Brent was leading the project
Kira... I don't think you're getting it with this guy. It took me a while, but I think I figured it out. He IS showing you the game. You're looking right at it. Caspian is the game's NPC. He's roleplaying a game developer, and we're all here logging into his "game" not realizing we're already in his game. It's VERY meta. I can't say I've seen anything quite like it. It really blurs the lines between fantasy and reality in a new and creative way.
Going forward I think this is the perspective I'm going to take.
😂😂😂
Well, I can't really contradict your hypothesis. I went (briefly) outside and the world seems incredibly vast. It possesses every single gameplay mechanic I checked. And I am in fact aging . . . hopefully it will be a while before I find out if the soul-reincarnation is functional, but yeah... ( o.o)
mind fucking blown
This is an incredible theory.
You can hear it in his voice; Caspian was shook AF as soon as someone started asking actual questions.
Or rather you couldn't, due to that silence as he had to gather the pieces of his black soul.
It's because he has no real answers. So he dances around the question and tries to make you feel bad for him all while inflating his ego.
I’m more surprised of all the copium the other question askers have, they legit talk to caspian as if he’s really developing a game 💀 in 10 years, bro only made 100k pages describing random plants and random fluff about assets. NO GAME.
@@2thezaza And that's the thing, right? If he had produced ANYTHING that was even slightly playable by people then so many of the detractors wouldn't have a leg to stand on. But he hasn't...
@@TheMr02drop if he had something it would be everywhere, he'd never shut up about it.
Whoever started asking questions around 38:40 is a real MVP.
Yeah for real. Caspian basically answered: "I fucked up, no wait, someone else fucked up. No one liked that. So I shutdown the lifeblood for the operation, fired many people, and stop accepting crowd funding; the only source we had that would move the project further."
That doesn't sound like anyone who runs a business would do. The whole point of a business is to make money. Since he likes to title himself as CEO a lot, his goal is to make money with his project. It doesn't make sense why he would do a 3rd grade level choice like that unless he had no choice.
@@Leafwink I've gotten the distinct impression over the years that this guy Caspian is one of those "capitalism bad" types who thinks businesses should exist "for the good of society" and not to actually make money.
@@EveryDooDarnDiddlyDay....the fuck you on about?
Not there yet. But I'm ready for it!
I would like to marry her
I'm enjoying this Caspian mini-series! Here's a small bribe. Hoping for another installment!
Caspian:
Also Caspian: "But I'm not making excuses."
'I'm wholly accountable... but not really at all and let me explain why for ten minutes'
I don't think he's gaslighting. I think he's such a ball of self delusion and cognitive dissonance that he believes his own bullshit.
"MORE", the starving crowd demanded and the Messiah himself obliged to their pathetic request.
Spot on.
Amen
I was about to say: I'LL watch a solid hour of Kira talking shit about shitty game devs.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
Mad respect for the lady at the end, no more pondering to the guy, lay down the real questions and facts!
This woman made him cry. I sincerely think she made him cry.
good :-)
Oh well
That one person that just destroys Caspian’s soul is everything I needed this rainy day lol.
That woman stun-locked caspian and he couldn’t cast confusion
"... ... ...trying to think the better way to respond to this... ... ... nnngggggh"
The first person to bring real, hard hitting questions and statements to the table and it completely fucked Caspian. Over a minute of awkward silence while he tried to figure out how much word salad he could come up with to deflect.
This may have been audio only, but the brutality of that person finally hitting the real questions could get this age restricted. Damn.
I'm so glad you made a part 2 just so we could see someone ask a decent question
This, so much this. I was shocked how blunt their questions were and I loved hearing it.
@@alemur4983 Normally I'd write a sarcy comment about anyone who backed this game (due to the initial proposal being frankly, ludicrous) but I actually felt really bad for her when he said she'd been on like every call since the start...those poor people really think this game will come out, even now. ☹
Dude she completely destroyed him. Hearing him lock up and stutter whenever he's presented with actual questions is more than satisfying especially whenever ive followed this from the beginning
I love how at the end of part 1 Kira is like "idk why tf you'd wanna see more" and turns out everybody wanted more
It's been a while, maybe he forget how invested we all are lmao. This is top three Kira content right behind Earth2 and Cryptoland. I can't get enough of Caspian's shenanigans.
@@justinm3745 " I can't get enough of Caspian's shenanigans" - Same haha! I know its a terrible situation for everyone that bought in but the level of run arounds and scheming with this guy is truly fascinating.
Caspian: "We have no money."
Also Caspian: "I have attorneys that advice me to not take in volunteers."
Same Caspian: "Open source I did spoke about in secret with people, yes. But I don't plan on doing it now because of these attorneys."
I know that he may have an attorney due to the lawsuit (which I believe was dismissed but can still be re-actived) but from the sounds of things the real CEO is his attorney.
So many gems and insights from this:
@46:36 Caspian is so noble and concerned for people during a pandemic, he doesn't want them to spend irresponsibly and crows fund COE. So he falls on the swordd and prevents any further crowd funding. What champion of the people.
Some people are really impressive with how little they can say while speaking for so long.
Also that lady demolished him. Oof.
I agree, Caspian was rendered speechless. Finally someone who could shut him up. Impressive!
My dad is like that and it's funking awful
Yo we gotta find that person who asked the tough questions and give that mf a medal or something
sounds a lot like Fran from the FranLab channel
"I made the decision not to have people spend their money that they already weren't spending on my game in these trying times." What a fucking hero.
"It was a tough call but I work best under pressure" lol
Discovered this channel back in the day with first Elyria video and who would have guessed that we were in for a full Caspians saga, so its always a MORE vote from me :D
As a person that makes game devlogs with screen caps of the engine on screen, i just don't understand how Caspian doesn't do that. Here's 30 secs of me creating this object in unity, now we press play, and look we're in the map. Sure its janky but look there's something.
It makes you feel like there's literally nothing that launches from the game view on Caspian's machine.
Interestingly enough I listened to this while working on my game, almost cried when Caspian cried.
You don't understand . . . you have _something_ to show.
I want that lady to ask questions of Congress, she nailed Caspian's balls to the wall lol
The Fog of War has completely cannibalized this mans brain.
His brain is steeped in a fog of war
Caspian: I would've gotten away with it too if it weren't for that damn fog of war!
1:02:08 - man who was given money to develop a game for almost a decade cannot think of a way to show how hard he's worked.
Caspian is poetry incarnate.
please keep doing these, Kira!
Caspian: "A company is not one person."
Me: "Yours is!"
Kira: "Yours is!"
Me: 😍😍😍
MORE! Caspian fascinates me. He's such an odd little man.
Him and Karl Pilkington.
@@ethzero Karl has a lot more integrity
do you think he could potentially be a narcissist? or maybe he's just delusional, I can't work it out
@@oliverfrots9300I’m not sure about narcissism since that is a very specific medical thing but definitely delusion about his abilities and importance
As a dev working on 3d graphics for an upcoming indie survival game (we had a trailer run on PS showcase)... yes a trailer does take some very precious dev time, but all in all we sort of salvaged most of it because we will use what you saw in the trailer(like 95%) in the game.
Please cover the whole thing! WE WANT IT!
I love that getting confronted with his failings he sounds like he is about to cry
The lady grilling Caspian is a Hero!
This is like watching a car wreck that is taking 10 years to finish. This guy needs a project manager to build some realistically delivery timeline.
*needed in the past tense lol. The project was literally over when he fired everyone
Like Slo-Mo from the 2012 Dredd movie.
Please do at least one more of these, I really wanna know how that woman continues with him, and your reactions to what they say have been quite funny so far.
A lot happens inside Caspian's head at a rate so high that he thinks he is doing something. All i've heard is that he made promises, read books and justifies still doing nothing. Can he even synchronize the movement of two simple shapes through a p2p connection? can he even make a 3d cube?
Sounds like my ADHD brain trying to do an assignment. 15 pages on something totally unrelated and HOURS 'thinking' about what I want the outcome to look like but not actually doing anything to get there. Feels productive but in reality isnt at all.
1) No. 2) No. -- I don't think at this point that he can deliver even a game _without_ any graphics. But would probably make some devlog posts about it, in all fairness.
56:39 "I want you to understand that's where we are right now" this is always a mistake. People like Caspian will never understand, they outright refuse to understand another person's perspective, but they will gladly string you along and make you waste your time trying to "make them understand". Caspian is never, ever going to admit he sees anything wrong with what he has done, and as frustrating as that is, you can't make him understand how others feel because of his actions.
I can't believe this guy has a lawyer on retainer. If he does, he should fire them immediately if he gave him the OK to go on a Discord Q&A and if he didn't ask before, his lawyers should drop his ass.
Also interesting he is talking about what he would do when Elyria is done, so even if he somehow puts out something resembling a game it will be released in maintenance mode. Amazing.
How does this guy support himself. How is he sending his kid to Europe for college ...he said he doesn't work has no income. Did his grandfather invent the wheel?
@@toddtaylor6506 kickstarter money
I would love a third instalment of this. Both videos of the Discord call have been interesting. Regarding Caspian's obsession with his devblogs, as a developer myself, they might have been interesting for people like me to read IF he had released a game. I love post-mortem on games. Listening to game devs discussing what went right and what went wrong is illuminating, but there has to be a game. As of right now, Chronicles/Kingdoms of Elyria can just as well be but a figment of Caspian's imagination. Discussions of an illusionary game's networking code matters very little to anyone.
If you don't do a part 3 I'm going to get Caspian to write an 18 page PDF about your anime girl drinks, though he might fail to meet the deadline on posting it.
It will be an amazing PDF that will enumerate and analyze _all_ anime girls in existence, laying out a complete _waifu theory_ that irrefutably demonstrates from first principles why 2D>3D. Too bad it will never be posted. (" -.-)
Lol the beginning:
"I fucked up on Elyria, and this was my plan from the start" 😂
This is gold. For everyone not involved, super fun
But I believe him feeling this overload while achieving *nothing*
It’s a good example of the dunning Kruger effect, he overestimating his abilities
Absolutely easy to see for everyone from the outside, but hard to understand and to accept if you are in his position
I feel like including the jousting demo and the parkour demo as progress just shows how low Caspian has set the bar for himself. It's actually insane to me that he wasted money taking those things to PAX.
Can anyone confirm he went to pax and people saw this?
@@TheMADmk There is footage of their time at pax. The demo they brought would give you charitably 20 seconds of unique gameplay which ironically is good for such a crowded convention.
@@achehex I mean ironically that demo, is a vary reasonable mini game, but it was not a main pillar or focus of the game. Which really make me question whether he quickly realised, this game was unenviable so try to scam people with shinny things for as long as possible, or if he is the worlds most incompetent game dev. With the huge salary he paid himself plus the, rumors of his wife / other family members on the payroll, as well as the land sale system - (ie spending precious time and money creating a website system for people to buy pretend land at eye-watering prices - instead of developing the actual fing game). Makes me lean heavily towards scam / dishonest intent.
@@TheMADmk Okay but if it's a scam why is he still here?
@@jdevlin1910the law suit. If he isnt seen to be in the process of delivering *something* for all that crowdfunded money, or gives up and doesnt produce anything at all, that lawsuit could ruin him.
The long pauses after getting asked a question is absolutely caspian thinking up some excuse or lie to gaslight and cover his ass.
We might not have ended up with a game worth $8mil but sure ended up with entertainment worth $8mil
Lmao
I like how Kira makes it sound like Caspian was granted some monkey's paw wish. Like, everyone in the community will die, but he will spend eternity on this game.
Sounds like an episode of the twilight zone
_Imagine if you will . . . a game so vast everyone will die before it's completed . . ._
@@fsmourastar citizen, you called!
May be in the minority here but I'd unironically love like 3 more videos or whatever of this kind of breakdown from you considering how many more answers (or lack there of) that reveal themself just by Caspian digging himself a continuous hole. Been following this saga for years, some of us are just too invested at this point whether just figurately or literally lmao
He has endless excuses but the woman at the end was dead on. The guy has missed every deadline, he's taken millions of dollars for a project and has nothing tangible to show for it.
It doesn't really matter if he "cares" or states he's committed to completing it. If his track record is producing nothing, you can only expect him to continue to deliver nothing.
oh yes this is the stuff
caspian's reactions reminds me of a quote a lecturer in college told a friend when he asked to delay the deadline by a solid 24 hours by giving the excuse that he knows he can't deliver:
"Come rain or sunshine, come hell or heaven, you still need to deliver by the deadline. I don't care if its complete or incomplete, the most important thing is that you deliver."
That woman should be an interviewer.
I discovered your channel through your coverage of this CoE debacle, and I could and would watch several more hours worth of this AMA alone. Sound only video does not detract from the content for me since I actually generally listen to your vids as if they were podcasts while I’m gaming. I’d like to finish this out in one more video, however long it may be, if you still find this as fascinating as I do (and as long as the algorithm continues to play nice/be beneficial for you- new vids from you tend to find themselves at the top of my feed and hopefully that’s true for most of us here). Thanks for posting this part 2
I’ve briefly worked for people, who had grand ideas that it quickly became obvious that they had no ability to pull off. Those people will be so charismatic about their project that they pull in tons of others who work for free and put in their own money. The fall out is catastrophic, I’ve seen them get death threats too and taken to court. Being a big dreamer is great, but the dream is 1%, the rest is hard work and the ability to delegate.
I care about watching these kira. I never heard of any of this until i watched your channel during the pandemic and learned of this mess. I have to say, i truly do enjoy watching and hearing your opinions on this absolute dumpster fire being called a game, thats run by a man that cant grasp reality. Its very entertaining for me, even though i only know whay ive learned through this channel. Id love to see you keep it up personally
You know, I think that if the CoE actually released, I never would have gotten so much joy out of it, as I am getting from these videos. It's like a never ending comedy, where Mr. Caspian tries to explain how he spent 8mil USD, developing a game nobody has seen and will never see, despite claiming to have it close to a finish line.
It's funny, if the game released, there's a possible chance it would have been already started and shut down by now lol.
@@sickoslater 100% certain it would have been shut down by now
@kira thanks so much for keeping up on this! Not just for the people who contributed but for me who loves listening to this to keep me entertained at work
That last person asking questions is a damn rockstar.
I was 15 when I got my first job and was taught "trust but verify". If someone tells you they did something, you should probably still check.
Another absolute banger. Always funny to hear you say "Shut up mate, you're lying" xD
Was pretty good to hear ONE person had some great questions for him at least. Even if we don't get to hear you react to the rest of it, it's been a fun ride!
Oh my the absolute queen of questions at the end 10/10
This was so eye opening, and the lady asking those straightforward questions was amazing to hear. In the past I have watched your earliest videos on CoE, along with videos from others such as the Salt Factory, and up until today I was still under the impression that this whole thing was a scam, that it wasn't just stupidity. Now I believe it was, but in truth it doesn't change my opinion that people like Caspian must be held accountable. Similar principle to not knowing the law doesn't exempt one from it. I also began feeling like he's a tragic figure, and perhaps suffering from some sort of mental illness. I honestly feel bad for his family, his kid especially, to have a father like Caspian. I'll definitely watch the next part as well, thank you for covering this for years now Kira!
Honestly the effort this guy puts into this dead or never alive game is impressive and addicting... and Caspian is dedicated as well
I just love whoever did the interview! Asking all of the right questions. 😊
The People have Spoken!
Let Kira be tokin'
I don't know what it is about these videos that keeps me coming back. It honestly feels akin to a guilty pleasure trash reality tv show. Re-runs of it for that matter since its always the same loop of "Here's the roadmap/milestone list!", deadline missed, edited roadmap with items from milestone 1 now in milestone 2, no real progression, fog of war problems.
I think what I enjoy about these videos from you is that its nice to feel like there's someone else in the room also having a "wtf is Caspian even saying" sort of moment lol. Like when the last "interviewer" who was asking banger questions started bringing up exactly the questions you were just talking about earlier, that feeling of "Awesome. this person gets it, Caspian sure doesn't, but this person, amazing"
Appreciate the video! From my end at least I get to hear you chime in and break up some of the Caspian thought dumps, but for you its mostly pure Caspian
PPP loans have specific requirements to apply for forgiveness. Recipients have to submit an application proving that they used the money for payroll & kept a qualifying number of employees in order to not have to pay it back.
Companies that do not meet those requirements have to pay PPP loans back, just like a regular loan. Using it for business expenses doesn't mean they used the money illegally per se, as long as they don't lie on the forgiveness application and actually pay it back
I mean best case scenario here is that he didn't apply for forgiveness and has to pay the loan back, meaning his company is still $250,000 in debt to the US government, in addition to being under a class action lawsuit. How can old Jezza here look at a situation like this and still say, oh yeah guys no totally I'm dedicated to finishing this game for sure. Like it's just not going to happen man lol
I mean yeah, I don't watch these, I mostly listen to them while cleaning or cooking, but I'd gladly listen to four more hours of this for what's that worth.
Man, she tore him to shreds on that one haha 😂 savage. Definitely here for more of this, as many as you wanna make dude! Entertaining stuff
Dude just can't take accountability, it's just an opportunity for him to defend his bad decisions. "Oh yeah, I didn't get this, this, or this done, but I DID get this thing that no one asked for done!"
I mean I get it, I have ADHD too, getting those final details done to get a project out the door is the hardest part. But at some point you have to just sit down behind the screen, put on some music, take your meds, and get that shit done.
YOOO whoever that person is that actually called him out is so good holy shit thank you!
You are totally right about the trailers. My Game Tech. teacher last week called them Eye Candy. I make vids for the game I am working on besides school and people rather watchg sea water hitting land than actual explanation of how you can almost kill off a type of animal in an area.
Jeremy is what you get if you combine together the following recipe: 1 Part Ego, 1 Part Incompetence, 1 Part Failure, and then 1 Part Coward. The coward part is the spice that holds it all together in his lack of ability to show off all this wonderful stuff he's so proud of. Until that happens, I can't believe or really care all that much he has to say otherwise. Also, it's getting too late now to really show off things. That ship has left port.
I love your long videos. I know they aren't as profitable, but listening to you go on a rant for some reason is relaxing while I work lol.
Keep it up! And I hope you are able to get an interview with him.
I hope you do continue these, for what its worth. This mini-series within the larger Chronicles of Elyria saga is a gold mine!
I’m not a gamer and know nothing about game development but your Caspian coverage is fascinating. What a strange man. Thanks for staying on top of this!
Would be great if you could keep the series going, its very telling. Caspian reminds me of some developers I've worked with over the years. It just sounds like he has no focus, no ability to prioritise and poor project management skills. Switching tech several times, additional projects popping up, low value activities and not a deliverable in sight. Yikes.
"Stop starting and start finishing".
I agree, I see stuff like this with so many people who try to take on huge projects and don’t know how to accurately assess their skills
Imagine if you had a job where for multiple years you showed your bosses NOTHING.
The saga continues. This is awesome
He got eaten alive by that girl 😂❤
A Chronicles of Elyria video ... * grabs popcorn *
Hope you brought for the whole class.
Where’s my popcorn nerd???😡
This would be amazing case study on what not do during game development.
I think we can all agree Caspian is his most relatable when he said, "Yeah." Chef's kiss to those questions.
The same kind of yeah when your fave teacher is disappointed in you trying to coast on a school project,
I live in the US in Washington (the state where his former office was in the city of Bellevue) and they did change the state laws about 5 years ago or longer where employers couldn’t offer non-paid internships anymore since it was being abused for free labor (because of course companies would). They can still offer internships and treat it like a part-time employee or I think you can earn credits toward graduating if you are going to college. I’m not sure if it is a federal law, but definitely in WA state he would have to compensate people that volunteered to work on his game. I’m not sure of the laws exactly, but I think this is what he is referring to when he talks about declining volunteer workers. He could still hire them on as independent contractors (Microsoft is notorious for doing this which is right down the road from him), but it’s evident he doesn’t want anyone seeing the state of the project.
Guess there was no demand for working for 'in game currency'.🙃
I didn't know I needed these.
Kira, I need these.
dude i have not been recommende4d a video by you kira in so long despite being a long time follower. Kira Gang
I am still baffled that people are still expecting this game to be ever released. I truly think that he lives in a constant dream where actions have no real consequence as in real life.
More! More! More! This was great :) I feel sorry for his ass.... Because his mouth just keeps writing cheques that it can't cash....
Just cut the parts where Caspian talks about his feelings and you'll be down to a 10 min video.
I cut out all the parts where he wasn't delivering anything... got a 0 sec video. 👍
Very senior developer here. I keep hearing how technically adept Caspian is, but he can't be. True devs like to code and show off their software. BS project managers with only reading knowledge of technologies like to read, blog and talk about options... but they don't have the skill or demeanor to actually implement anything. That describes this bloke perfectly. He knows what he's doing - a dev I used to work with would give endless updates on his progress for the previous day. It seemed the more words in his update, the less actual progress there was. I think it's a psychosis at this point. And I can't look away.
I had a job running a production line with about +/-20 people, and some of my peers would report every small useless detail to our managers, in order to appear as they've done more work. Realistically, they barely worked, most of their time was spent pretending to work, not following proper procedures to save time, and pump out more production. We were producing car parts, which I think should be taken seriously. As a result of me caring about quality, my line was often doing worse numbers-wise, so I got blamed for being bad at my job by peers and managers and I had to quit to save face. Keep in mind, that while my line was often a bit slower, we were producing a lot more usable product. The QC department was also a nightmare, half of them didn't even know the tolerances we were working with.
Out of every 1000 parts factory-wide, 40 to 60% were returned to us as faulty by our clients.
For comparison, out of every 1000 parts that got out of my line, only ~10% had any issues whatsoever, and it was mostly because of unskilled laborers, old imprecise machinery or defects in materials.
I consider 10% to be horrible but it was the best I could achieve with what I was given.
Was I annoying with my by the book approach? Sure, but we were producing car parts and I was hired to follow procedure. Ironically, following procedure and trying to release high-quality production both helped me rise through the ranks and ended my career.
People just don't care about doing a good job sometimes.
I really wish pre renders didn't exist. Kickstarter is mostly done now for huge game projects, thank fuck. But for people who just don't know how 3d graphics or games work in general behind the scenes, it's entirely understandable for them to see the original kickstarter video and think "Wow! This looks so cool!" not knowing you could basically just pay someone a few thousand to do that in blender and slap a watermark that says "proof of concept version 0.1" to make it look vaguely "gamey".
The entire phenomenon that makes these scams possible. It was that so hard with The Day Before. People see that and feel "wow, there's so much done already!" and feel like it's just a matter of putting that together with some additional work.
I hope that you continue going through the interview. I am totally invested now lol
I'm no game dev but I was told that if your making a multiplayer game, then networking is the first thing you do because it's extremely hard to convert code from single player experience to a multiplayer experience
Whoever is asking those juicy, juicy questions has my heart for raking this scam artist over the coals.
I'm so invested in this series now! I hardly know what COE is or who Caspian is, but this is a fascinating lot of commentary. I'll very happily listen to 3 more hours. Sorry you cant say CU in the NT, sincerely, an Australian. Fun fact, CU in the NT is a national advertisement for Tourism in Australia for the Nothern Territory.
I thought this was absolutely hilarious, and I'd love to see more!
Massive props to that woman who's asking Caspian the first hard questions he's ever been forced to answer. After so many years of him just dodging every question he's been asked, it's so cathartic hearing someone say to his face "No, it's not one deadline, it's EVERY deadline"
Chef's kiss, I want to hear your reactions to more of it, keep it up!
Kira, I would superappreciate a video on the PPP loan scam.
Taxpayer 0 - 163 Corporate interests, while hardly getting basic services like other developed countries.
I love how much we can discuss and talk about a game that does not even exist.
In a way I suppose he has put out more content than those other games... 🤣
The real game is all the posts we made along the way ( o.o)
Caspien: "I fucked up on Elyria MUD"
*It was time for Kira to leave. He had seen everything.*
I watch/listen to your video as I’m playing a game as I’m sure others do may as well.
Your documentaries about this game is how I found both of your channels, so I really hope you continue to follow this saga and post more videos of this interview.