Kira my dude, you've seen the meme, i''ve lived it lmao. this is INSANITY beyond belief. i've got some juicy stuff to show you about the whole "we arent a metin2 private server" they are... without a doubt
Not even Disney and other terrible giants would consider what you did copyright infringement and they will hunt you down for even the slightest thing. Sorry you have to deal with this crap.
The reason these developers say "You have to delete this, because it is no longer accurate" is because they genuinely believe that other publications exist to advertise their product. You saw the same with Digital Homicides. They believed reviewers exist as free advertisement.
What really makes me angry about digital homicide is that they were talking as if their games were genuine pieces of art instead of the cash grab they were As a indie dev i know how much work goes into making an actual game and how hard it is so seeing these dudes argue that slapping pre bough assets into a game in 1 week is art really pissed me off
If only the US had a justice system designed for the average citizen instead of corporations. Unfortunately, as long as the judicial process is a huge money sink, it won't be enforced for most small cases like these.
Great! Now, are you willing to stake A LOT of your money of legal fees, on an off chance that the person that does this to you actually has money to pay you? If you can even legally prove any damages?
Lamest excuse blaming the fiver artist for making the fake quotes... like are we supposed to believe they also let this random artist manage and create the whole kickstarter page, uploading these images without them noticing?
Indeed. In the best possible light for their company they're admitting clear incompetence in vetting the material they're presenting to the public on their kickstarter page.
Even if, they signed off on it. It's their responsibility to check. So for the public they are seemingly incapable of assuring quality and then when push comes to shove they will throw the underpayed worker under the bus.
I really hope Callum fights the DMCA (as he really should). Like you said if they want to take him to court theyll need very deep pockets which a company begging for money on kickstarter wont have. Now if it was Nintendo or Sony issuing a similar strike then my advice would be to take it on the chin but not from a shadey POS company like this Edit: I really should wait to the vid ends to comment but I'm glad the strike got removed. YTs copy right system is still broken but at least us some instances things end up working out
Okay, some context: based on the Kickstarter text, this is a Hungarian company. What you have to understand, that nobody gives a singular damn about copyright stuff in Hungary. You can torrent openly, nobody will care, and as such there's a serious culture of software piracy. Like, when I, as a Hungarian, started to buy stuff on Steam instead of just pirating them, I got laughed at for being an idiot for paying for "free" stuff. As such, every semi successful classic MMO has Hungarian private servers. And Metin 2 was all the rage here back in the day. So I can absolutely imagine some Hungarian idiots basically re-releasing their Metin 2 private server, not even remotely considering copyright issues, because who even cares about those in Hungary. And then they realized that oh, yeah, international companies exist. The reason for this wild west of software piracy is simple: instead of spending time and effort to crack down on it, the government just set up a separate tax on literally any all data carriers, from VHS tapes to SSDs, making them more expensive. All that money goes to a government organization called Artisjus, which then pays out money to Hungarian entertainers of all kind based on their sales, as a bonus (practically as a way to compensate for piracy). On top of this, lawsuits regarding cases like this can go on years and years with no guaranteed outcome, since copyright laws are muddy and outdated as hell and the courts are overbooked to hell and back, to the point where you can easily wait a whole year to even get a hearing, so most foreign companies just don't bother seeing the legal landscape.
@@Narrator1 Well, you know how it is with these people: laws don't apply to us, since who even cares about copyright here, but those annoying critics live in less "free" countries, so surely we can have the law apply to them.
Hungarian ex-Metin2 enjoyer here. It was so obvious it's a metin2 reskin from the very first image alone. From the one-handed warrior stance to the obvious armor shine. It's sad that the entire Eastern Europe region gets lumped together with Russia because of things like this. Even people like us buying Steam games are punished with stuff like the PCR version of new vegas. People have been getting away with running private servers for these old games forever. Metin2 / MU online private servers have been running for two decades at this point and they were very successful. All thanks to the Hungarian populations inability to speak English keeping the demand for "magyarítás" editions high, Hungarian translations for everything basically. Add that the brazen piracy and under-the-table hustle culture of course people would have the audacity to sell these things as their own.
@@durshurrikun150 There is a difference between being proud of your language and heritage and being proud of your stupidity and lack of willingness to learn. You don't see the same effort being made to translate great literary works or books that provide value, manuals, software etc. Only the lowest of the low consumer trash is in demand. This isn't about national pride, it's just a stupid excuse for ignorance. Not to mention you missed my point of the translation culture and piracy being intertwined. To be fair, it was my fault for writing it's our "inability to speak English" when it is our unwillingness to learn and our pride of our own stupidity.
_Very_ interesting.... I checked out their Kickstarter campaign yesterday after watching SidAlpha's video & noticed a strange backer comment that felt suspiciously like a copy & paste job from a different game on KS (like most of their campaign page). Couldn't quite put my finger on it at the time, but the references felt strangely familiar.... and the _"fog of war"_ just lifted! The comment: _"I didn't have such a good opinion when I supported COE. But M2M is really special and very different. I hope we can reach more backers. I have faith in my heart that America's most respected actors will give this project a chance. There will be a hero to hold your hand."_ For a first-time Kickstarter campaign with no apparent ties to CoE, it's more than a little bizarre for one of only 4 comments on the campaign to reference it... even stranger for a comment to read more like one of the testimonials that they got caught faking & were forced to remove. 🤷♀
I gotta say, i really loved the linguistics you used here, "Debunked" tripped me up cuz i was like, wouldnt that terminology normally used with myths? BUT thats what this shit actually IS. THis shit is MYTH. Completely made up shit, overblown by word of mouth and sold to idiots haha. Kira IS a debunking industry leader. Fuck the software dev thievery era. Bunch of despots. Watching this shit is like a kirkland offbrand version of american hustle. Bunch of thieves
'We believe that Gameforge will soon experience the consequences of misuing the DMCA system'... That's RICH... I have met people who aren't self-aware, but bloody hell.
I knew the stance of the guy in the golden armor on the kickstarter picture looked familliar and after hearing that it was mistaken for a Metin2 Priavte Server it jumped back into my mind : It looks like the stance a male warrior takes when standing idle with a 1 handed weapon equiped ! :D EDIT: i just took a look at gameplay of this game and they're acutally using the same animations 1to1, character (warrior) had the same vioce as in metin2, the warrior had the same buff skills as the one in Metin 2 and also the whole character model rig was the same as in metin2 - it's insane how it's almost the same game, even the upgrade items sold with the npcs were the same needed as in Metin2 xD
I'm amused at the idea that Kira wakes up with morning wood and is like "Zounds! My dowsing rod tells me there's kickstarter/crypto drama, TO THE INTERNET!" Have a good week, Kira
Easy to say when it's not you in the situation. It's a very expensive and complicated process where you go against a corporation with ways to undermine you every step of the way. And, if you fail, you set a bad precedent to everyone else trying the same thing. It's built for corporate interests.
That's an easy thing to throw around when you aren't the one footing the enormous bill that would be behind it. I do think something needs to be done about DMCA abuse, but it's not as simple as dragging them off to court when you don't have a huge cash source to support it.
@@ekki1993 Whoops, looks like you beat me to the comment I was basically making. XD I didn't see any messages before, sorry if it came across as me c/ping. =P
They have given me a warning in their steam forum for opening new topics and telling people about their scam. They also deleted eveything critical of them (of course).
So they used a copyright claim. To fight a slander claim. Well there screwed just by the official post they made. Bet there legal department had a heart attack after reading it.
Great vid, and i bet your main one about this saga will rock; SidAlpha has gotten a headstart on this topic and posted a doozie of a video about it yesterday...it goes hard.
I wish we had a reasonable court system in the US and that the DCMA laws have provisions for blatant abuse of dcma claims would result in double the penalty of what the DCMA claim would warrant.
My first thought when i saw this "game" was that it looks like metin2. That said, Metin2´s glory days are long gone. No idea how many P-servers exist now but back then there existed like sand on a beach.
The rip off from others or scam stuff even doing the smallest amount of work then get caught, the first thing all these guys do is DMCA takedown the video.
I use Kickstarter (and Gamefound) a lot for board games, and for some non-MMO video games, although I did back City of Titans way back when, which I regret, and even then there's risk so I'm a bit cautious even in those cases, but MMOs, and especially ones like this, throw up so many warning signs that it's scary.
Because they are Huge projects, That require not just a lot of assets code and systems. But also a functional sever system. Which is very expensive, way more then developers think
How can they say "We misused the DMCA system because our team doesn't understand how it works" and "Gameforge will experience the concequences of misusing the DMCA system" in the same post!?! Like, at least separate it into two different posts, or try to use different words that make it sound like it's a different thing!
@@kirareacts To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't realize how (potentially) serious DMCAs could be legally for them. However, I do agree that they submitted it knowing it was wrong, so they aren't getting any sympathy from me. My comment was more meaning that, even as damage control, it's terribly done. Not that I'd believe them otherwise, but they should at least try to justify how what they did is different from what Gameforge is doing. Which, to be fair, it is. Just not in a way that's favorable to them. Their DMCA was bullshit, and Gameforge's one isn't.
Pro Tip for MMO Kickstarters who actually want to make a game and not an easy money machine: Start with Netcode for a Lobby Coop Action RPG with basic MMO mechanics, have 1 small starting region till level 10 and then two larger regions from 10 to 20 and 20 to 30. Have two dungeons, one located in each region's final quest area. And ontop of that have one simple battleground as your "cross-server" prototype where you get into really basic matchmaking with your group. Don't even bother with cities, villages and virtual MMO hubs or even just an economy yet. First of all you have to have a prototype that is playable by a large amount of people to gage the actual interest and to have something people want to invest in. The times of empty promises, feature creep, render videos and highly curated ingame cinematics as pitches for Kickstarter MMOs are over. You need a game first, even if you eventually throw the entire prototype out and just use it as your first learning point, this thing will legitimize your whole operation in a backer's eyes. So better put everything you have in that prototype first. Also the only way to know if your current staff is up to the task to create a MMO at all. That's exactly how WoW got started. Look up WoW Alpha and you will see: Elwynn Forest, Westfall, Deadmines, Stitches being spawned as a world boss prototype only running to goldshire. That was all they had at the start as a prototype.
the thing is if you played metin 2 at all, you can instantly tell that monsters in one of the kickstarter screenshots have the same models as mt2 enemies and this whole thing just looks like its modded mt2
11 months later and their website is still up, still showcasing the same metin2 classes just with different armors and skill icons... but the skills are the exact same, same animations
What I find interesting about these videos is that real developers don’t get involved in drama like this. That’s the red flag for me to stay away. If I see a video or something where a small developer is going after creators opinions or making weird statements about it, I’m immediately uninterested in what they’re making. Real developers, indie or not, don’t engage like this. It hurts their reputation within the industry and makes it harder to get work on projects. The people we see on these videos are overly sensitive asset flippers and scammers.
Doing after callum considering what he did to dreamwolrd is like going against Thanos with a condom for defense. they litreally dont know who they are fucking with.
Appreciate your work homie, every other evil hunting youtuber and their bro are doing corpo atrocities or big frauds, but few dig the kickstarter goblins from their dirt holes like you do and in what manner too lol
What makes that post from laniwtfanus is that they're trying to pull the same shit on Steam. Context after SidAlphas video people started posting it on their steam page as a PSA, a 123 user posted something very similar. Definitely not a dev attempting to be sneaky, nope! Then again cant really expect much from some asshole trying to sell a mod server version of an already existing copyrighted game.
Not in my experience personally. Though it does happen. You most likely have a bias on this based on you commonly hearing of when youtube sides with the company versus the less publicised cases when they don't.
Depends on what game you gonna make. Ofcourse AAA stuff like MMORPG, or innovative, groundbreaking type of game is unrealistic. However, start with small scaled indie project and you might make it.
Honestly, start with a single player game in a genre you like, follow a tutorial to learn the Software and also the basics of how to build systems you like. Then try to build the same game with out the tutorial, and you will learn alot of skills very fast, just remember to focus and the game, and not the visuals early on. And don’t worry about finishing early projects you will be improving at a rate that these games will be not up to your standards very rapidly. Once you get to a stable point then build a full game (still a simple project) then scale up from there. Thats what I did and I learned alot of the basics in about 2 years, but obviously you will never learn everything so you need to be willing to get help from others once you start to progress
this was so weird to me. I'm hungarian and i am definetely not used to seeing hungarian sentences in basically any youtube video. It took me a few moments to realize that wait i can read that non english text, but this is a Kira video it can't be hungarian. WTF is going on. Then i realized that its just simply a hungarian scam dev team, figures.
To be fair UA-cam in most cases needs to take videos down if there is any doubt, the only issue is there is no doubt that not only is the video not using their game in it at all.. Honestly I hope Callium gets a P.O. Box so he can fight next time without concern.
Unfortunately, what a 'doubt' means can be very subjective. So i disagree that YT should take vids down from just that. Copyright claims are abused enough as it is. As kira explained, theres a whole process to it and good reason for it. Imagine if it didnt exist. If you just took everything that can be doubted; the platform itself could not exist.
@@desperado3236 I agree, the whole system is completely messed up beyond repair honestly.. but UA-cam can be sued for siding with a content creator if they don't remove something they could be sued, too.. that and they don't appreciate creators as they should. If they watched the video at %500 speed even it would fix a lot of these fake takedowns.. that or actually punishing those who not only false strike but brag about it.
11:15 That sounds remarkably similar to the digital homicide versus Jim Stirling interview. One of the owners of DH shouldn’t criticize their shit and because gaming commentators wouldn’t have anything to talk about if video games didn’t exist. It is an argument of truly monumental stupidity
This company is the embodiment of the "Leopards Ate My Face" reddit. "I know we wanted them talking about our game, but news outlets aren't allowed to say *bad* things about it!" Their entitlement is off the fucking charts.
Point of order Mr chairman, the penalty of perjury in the DMCA only applies to your owning of copyright alleged to be infringed, it doesn't apply to the actual allegation of infringement.
Oh, do you know what this is? This is like the emails scammers send to people who have already been scammed. Pretending to be some government agency or some such, and that the scam victim is due some compensation, because they were scammed. Which, of course, is just scammers trying to exploit people they think are easy to scam. "Oh, remember that game you backed that did not happen? Well, we are actually making it. Give us money"
I mean the reviews don't lie. "This user is the sexiest being alive and I grew a beard just to get anywhere close to their level" - Abraham Lincoln "They are too powerful to exist in our world" - Yoda "Holy Shit" - Master Chief As president of This User LLC, I am appalled by the fact that someone would heinously say that This User LLC Gov would lie and cheat to make themselves look better. This User LLC Gov TM has only had the best interest of the people at mind and has swiftly removed that someone for spreading such malicious misinformation. Hopes and Kisses President of This User LLC Gov TM LTD PLC CORP
The self awareness on Magic to Master is just so deliciously nonexistent. They're staring right into a mirror and saying how the person in the mirror is going to face consequences for what they've done. They just fail to realize it's actually themselves in the mirror, and not Gameforge or Callum etc.
Kira my dude, you've seen the meme, i''ve lived it lmao. this is INSANITY beyond belief. i've got some juicy stuff to show you about the whole "we arent a metin2 private server" they are... without a doubt
get the fuckers Callum.
Its bullshit UA-cam upheld the strike. wtf is that
Did you ever get the strike resolved with a counter notice?
I remember seeing your video about it and noticing how all the potions had exactly the same model/ icon as the Metin2 ones
Not even Disney and other terrible giants would consider what you did copyright infringement and they will hunt you down for even the slightest thing. Sorry you have to deal with this crap.
The reason these developers say "You have to delete this, because it is no longer accurate" is because they genuinely believe that other publications exist to advertise their product. You saw the same with Digital Homicides. They believed reviewers exist as free advertisement.
its definitely not free
What really makes me angry about digital homicide is that they were talking as if their games were genuine pieces of art instead of the cash grab they were
As a indie dev i know how much work goes into making an actual game and how hard it is so seeing these dudes argue that slapping pre bough assets into a game in 1 week is art really pissed me off
Well, if you are making a good game, reviews are free advertisement. But you have to make a good game first.
@@deadbeef576 last of us 2
glad they lost that lawsuit against jim
More people need to start using subsection (f) of the DMCA. False DMCA claimants are liable for damages.
If only the US had a justice system designed for the average citizen instead of corporations. Unfortunately, as long as the judicial process is a huge money sink, it won't be enforced for most small cases like these.
Great! Now, are you willing to stake A LOT of your money of legal fees, on an off chance that the person that does this to you actually has money to pay you? If you can even legally prove any damages?
You'd need to take them to court over it to make that claim.
Except litigation, even against twats like this, costs money the average UA-camr doesn't have.
Lamest excuse blaming the fiver artist for making the fake quotes... like are we supposed to believe they also let this random artist manage and create the whole kickstarter page, uploading these images without them noticing?
Indeed. In the best possible light for their company they're admitting clear incompetence in vetting the material they're presenting to the public on their kickstarter page.
Even if, they signed off on it. It's their responsibility to check. So for the public they are seemingly incapable of assuring quality and then when push comes to shove they will throw the underpayed worker under the bus.
Sad times when you can't rely on Nigerian fivers to handle your business.
that early 2000s website layout
Not enough iFrames. And "under construction" GIFs.
"you harmed our brand image by pointing out the things we did"
NGL a sarcastic "Yo, welcome back, it's ya boy" is all the greeting we need from Kira. ❤😂
Funny as heck! 🤣😂
This is the truth!
It's all in the tone 😂
“How dare you harm our public image by accurately reporting on our fraudulent claims”
I really hope Callum fights the DMCA (as he really should). Like you said if they want to take him to court theyll need very deep pockets which a company begging for money on kickstarter wont have. Now if it was Nintendo or Sony issuing a similar strike then my advice would be to take it on the chin but not from a shadey POS company like this
Edit: I really should wait to the vid ends to comment but I'm glad the strike got removed. YTs copy right system is still broken but at least us some instances things end up working out
Okay, some context: based on the Kickstarter text, this is a Hungarian company. What you have to understand, that nobody gives a singular damn about copyright stuff in Hungary. You can torrent openly, nobody will care, and as such there's a serious culture of software piracy. Like, when I, as a Hungarian, started to buy stuff on Steam instead of just pirating them, I got laughed at for being an idiot for paying for "free" stuff. As such, every semi successful classic MMO has Hungarian private servers. And Metin 2 was all the rage here back in the day. So I can absolutely imagine some Hungarian idiots basically re-releasing their Metin 2 private server, not even remotely considering copyright issues, because who even cares about those in Hungary. And then they realized that oh, yeah, international companies exist.
The reason for this wild west of software piracy is simple: instead of spending time and effort to crack down on it, the government just set up a separate tax on literally any all data carriers, from VHS tapes to SSDs, making them more expensive. All that money goes to a government organization called Artisjus, which then pays out money to Hungarian entertainers of all kind based on their sales, as a bonus (practically as a way to compensate for piracy). On top of this, lawsuits regarding cases like this can go on years and years with no guaranteed outcome, since copyright laws are muddy and outdated as hell and the courts are overbooked to hell and back, to the point where you can easily wait a whole year to even get a hearing, so most foreign companies just don't bother seeing the legal landscape.
So these are brazen scoff-law pirates, yet they're asking for the law to smack down an opposing viewpoint?
@@Narrator1 Well, you know how it is with these people: laws don't apply to us, since who even cares about copyright here, but those annoying critics live in less "free" countries, so surely we can have the law apply to them.
Hungarian ex-Metin2 enjoyer here. It was so obvious it's a metin2 reskin from the very first image alone. From the one-handed warrior stance to the obvious armor shine.
It's sad that the entire Eastern Europe region gets lumped together with Russia because of things like this. Even people like us buying Steam games are punished with stuff like the PCR version of new vegas.
People have been getting away with running private servers for these old games forever. Metin2 / MU online private servers have been running for two decades at this point and they were very successful.
All thanks to the Hungarian populations inability to speak English keeping the demand for "magyarítás" editions high, Hungarian translations for everything basically.
Add that the brazen piracy and under-the-table hustle culture of course people would have the audacity to sell these things as their own.
@@Little_Beggar God forbid the Hungarians do not get colonized by the anglos and be forced to speak english
@@durshurrikun150 There is a difference between being proud of your language and heritage and being proud of your stupidity and lack of willingness to learn.
You don't see the same effort being made to translate great literary works or books that provide value, manuals, software etc. Only the lowest of the low consumer trash is in demand.
This isn't about national pride, it's just a stupid excuse for ignorance.
Not to mention you missed my point of the translation culture and piracy being intertwined.
To be fair, it was my fault for writing it's our "inability to speak English" when it is our unwillingness to learn and our pride of our own stupidity.
_Very_ interesting.... I checked out their Kickstarter campaign yesterday after watching SidAlpha's video & noticed a strange backer comment that felt suspiciously like a copy & paste job from a different game on KS (like most of their campaign page). Couldn't quite put my finger on it at the time, but the references felt strangely familiar.... and the _"fog of war"_ just lifted! The comment: _"I didn't have such a good opinion when I supported COE. But M2M is really special and very different. I hope we can reach more backers. I have faith in my heart that America's most respected actors will give this project a chance. There will be a hero to hold your hand."_
For a first-time Kickstarter campaign with no apparent ties to CoE, it's more than a little bizarre for one of only 4 comments on the campaign to reference it... even stranger for a comment to read more like one of the testimonials that they got caught faking & were forced to remove. 🤷♀
The smug self congratulations after the takedown was especially enraging.
What is amazing is that this kind of bs is so prolific that debunking it is an industry. Not a genre, an industry. Cal and Kira are industry leaders.
I gotta say, i really loved the linguistics you used here, "Debunked" tripped me up cuz i was like, wouldnt that terminology normally used with myths? BUT
thats what this shit actually IS. THis shit is MYTH. Completely made up shit, overblown by word of mouth and sold to idiots haha. Kira IS a debunking industry leader. Fuck the software dev thievery era. Bunch of despots. Watching this shit is like a kirkland offbrand version of american hustle. Bunch of thieves
'We believe that Gameforge will soon experience the consequences of misuing the DMCA system'... That's RICH... I have met people who aren't self-aware, but bloody hell.
I knew the stance of the guy in the golden armor on the kickstarter picture looked familliar and after hearing that it was mistaken for a Metin2 Priavte Server it jumped back into my mind : It looks like the stance a male warrior takes when standing idle with a 1 handed weapon equiped ! :D
EDIT: i just took a look at gameplay of this game and they're acutally using the same animations 1to1, character (warrior) had the same vioce as in metin2, the warrior had the same buff skills as the one in Metin 2 and also the whole character model rig was the same as in metin2 - it's insane how it's almost the same game, even the upgrade items sold with the npcs were the same needed as in Metin2 xD
This is actually just a Metin2 Private Server. Callum just upload a video today regarding this.
@@titisTyrant I'll have to watch it :D
I feel like Kira made this video as a "Come at me, bro!" challenge to these clowns, in addition to putting out the facts.
To put it like the kids do these days: Not very cash money of them 🤣
I'm amused at the idea that Kira wakes up with morning wood and is like "Zounds! My dowsing rod tells me there's kickstarter/crypto drama, TO THE INTERNET!"
Have a good week, Kira
He would be pitching a tent all the time though
Callum should look into suing them for misusing DMCA. At least that's what I'd do.
Easy to say when it's not you in the situation. It's a very expensive and complicated process where you go against a corporation with ways to undermine you every step of the way. And, if you fail, you set a bad precedent to everyone else trying the same thing. It's built for corporate interests.
That's an easy thing to throw around when you aren't the one footing the enormous bill that would be behind it. I do think something needs to be done about DMCA abuse, but it's not as simple as dragging them off to court when you don't have a huge cash source to support it.
@@mushyroom9569 I promise you no one ever DMCA a billionaire for a reason.
Most cases end with non discussion clauses. So even if they were held liable for false DMCA we would likely never hear about it.
@@ekki1993 Whoops, looks like you beat me to the comment I was basically making. XD I didn't see any messages before, sorry if it came across as me c/ping. =P
Oh crap this one angered me a lot. I hope Callum will end up pissing all over these dudes from very high up.
16:00 TURBO DICKHEAD MODE: ACTIVATED
Kira is playing a mmo about mmo kickstarters. This video is like a random encounter be for the main channel video final boss
I had to have a quick look at their company website to confirm that they are not actually children having a laugh, but clueless adults.
If the marketing team is acting without CEOs knowledge, they marketing team should be fired immediately.
They have given me a warning in their steam forum for opening new topics and telling people about their scam. They also deleted eveything critical of them (of course).
This could become an epic saga and I'm here for it.
I don't know why, but being called "friendo" at the start immediately put me in a good mood. 😄
So they used a copyright claim. To fight a slander claim. Well there screwed just by the official post they made. Bet there legal department had a heart attack after reading it.
Legal Department, lol
*their
@@KirkHermary nobody cares.
@davidr9883 aww shucks. Well at least you care enough to reply. 🙄🤪👆🏻🫢😆🤓😎🙂
Great vid, and i bet your main one about this saga will rock; SidAlpha has gotten a headstart on this topic and posted a doozie of a video about it yesterday...it goes hard.
I wish we had a reasonable court system in the US and that the DCMA laws have provisions for blatant abuse of dcma claims would result in double the penalty of what the DCMA claim would warrant.
My first thought when i saw this "game" was that it looks like metin2. That said, Metin2´s glory days are long gone. No idea how many P-servers exist now but back then there existed like sand on a beach.
"Continual lapse of judgement" that got me
I'm pretty sure Callum's video was reinstated by youtube. I think I saw a tweet of his with something along those lines.
The rip off from others or scam stuff even doing the smallest amount of work then get caught, the first thing all these guys do is DMCA takedown the video.
The closest they get to destroying the evidence.
I ALWAYS crack up when I see your near face-palm, tilted, head in hand. I can feel the shame and judgement. 😂😂😂
Daym, that webpage design feels so nostalgic.
I mean way back in Friendster days we do webpages like this. 😂
Wow caught this at 15 seconds after uploading crazy
9:33
Kira: Justify your fight for your rights..
Me: TO PAAAAAAAARTAAAAYYYYYY
"unhinged.... Allegedly." 😂😂😂
They really did "We mean Boo-urns" with that NFT line.
Unironically, thanks for getting "The Rasmus - In The Shadows" stuck in my head on sign off. Good on ya as always!
I use Kickstarter (and Gamefound) a lot for board games, and for some non-MMO video games, although I did back City of Titans way back when, which I regret, and even then there's risk so I'm a bit cautious even in those cases, but MMOs, and especially ones like this, throw up so many warning signs that it's scary.
Because they are Huge projects, That require not just a lot of assets code and systems. But also a functional sever system.
Which is very expensive, way more then developers think
Kickstarter to Court = Awesome.
"You don't delete history" oh boy, look what they are doing in the America.
23:33 Congrats Kira, always nice when that happens
How can they say "We misused the DMCA system because our team doesn't understand how it works" and "Gameforge will experience the concequences of misusing the DMCA system" in the same post!?! Like, at least separate it into two different posts, or try to use different words that make it sound like it's a different thing!
They do know how it works, which is why it was a misuse in the first place. They're just doing damage control now.
@@kirareacts To be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't realize how (potentially) serious DMCAs could be legally for them. However, I do agree that they submitted it knowing it was wrong, so they aren't getting any sympathy from me.
My comment was more meaning that, even as damage control, it's terribly done. Not that I'd believe them otherwise, but they should at least try to justify how what they did is different from what Gameforge is doing. Which, to be fair, it is. Just not in a way that's favorable to them. Their DMCA was bullshit, and Gameforge's one isn't.
Pro Tip for MMO Kickstarters who actually want to make a game and not an easy money machine: Start with Netcode for a Lobby Coop Action RPG with basic MMO mechanics, have 1 small starting region till level 10 and then two larger regions from 10 to 20 and 20 to 30. Have two dungeons, one located in each region's final quest area. And ontop of that have one simple battleground as your "cross-server" prototype where you get into really basic matchmaking with your group. Don't even bother with cities, villages and virtual MMO hubs or even just an economy yet. First of all you have to have a prototype that is playable by a large amount of people to gage the actual interest and to have something people want to invest in.
The times of empty promises, feature creep, render videos and highly curated ingame cinematics as pitches for Kickstarter MMOs are over. You need a game first, even if you eventually throw the entire prototype out and just use it as your first learning point, this thing will legitimize your whole operation in a backer's eyes. So better put everything you have in that prototype first. Also the only way to know if your current staff is up to the task to create a MMO at all.
That's exactly how WoW got started. Look up WoW Alpha and you will see: Elwynn Forest, Westfall, Deadmines, Stitches being spawned as a world boss prototype only running to goldshire. That was all they had at the start as a prototype.
Poor Calum...I'm glad he got that sorted out.
Damn Kira's the Kickstarter Guy and Callum coming in to try and steal his thunder! Shame
Love all the content you guys do. Keep up the amazing work
When i saw the video title, i was SURE this was gonna be a video about Derek Smart, lol.
they have retained the chatgpt law firm
the thing is if you played metin 2 at all, you can instantly tell that monsters in one of the kickstarter screenshots have the same models as mt2 enemies and this whole thing just looks like its modded mt2
Which is even more funny because this is just a Metin2 Private Server that they glorified as a new game.
He said mean words about me bad bad UA-cam man 😂
11 months later and their website is still up, still showcasing the same metin2 classes just with different armors and skill icons... but the skills are the exact same, same animations
It's always gonna be a good ep when the 'Ello Friendos drops
Look into Dino Run 2, from the little research I have done, it seems a little sketchy honestly
Can't wait for the wave of content if they do go to court over this!
"There's something really fuck-y..." How is that not the legit legal term?
What I find interesting about these videos is that real developers don’t get involved in drama like this. That’s the red flag for me to stay away. If I see a video or something where a small developer is going after creators opinions or making weird statements about it, I’m immediately uninterested in what they’re making. Real developers, indie or not, don’t engage like this. It hurts their reputation within the industry and makes it harder to get work on projects. The people we see on these videos are overly sensitive asset flippers and scammers.
Gotta say, Kira, your todger being a Kickstarter MMO scandal dowsing rod is a really weird super power.
Can't wait for more schadenfreude from this.
18:50 best part xD
Doing after callum considering what he did to dreamwolrd is like going against Thanos with a condom for defense.
they litreally dont know who they are fucking with.
Appreciate your work homie, every other evil hunting youtuber and their bro are doing corpo atrocities or big frauds, but few dig the kickstarter goblins from their dirt holes like you do and in what manner too lol
Necessary feature trees. I love it lol
Yessss I'm here for this messy shit
What makes that post from laniwtfanus is that they're trying to pull the same shit on Steam. Context after SidAlphas video people started posting it on their steam page as a PSA, a 123 user posted something very similar. Definitely not a dev attempting to be sneaky, nope! Then again cant really expect much from some asshole trying to sell a mod server version of an already existing copyrighted game.
I've just seen ads for Earth 2 on Facebook. Apparently they're not dead.
UA-cam greatly favors companies for DMCA strikes, they follow a "guilty until proven innocent" approach
Not in my experience personally. Though it does happen. You most likely have a bias on this based on you commonly hearing of when youtube sides with the company versus the less publicised cases when they don't.
This is 100% a "Reap what you sew" situation and I love to see it!
was that the rasmus at the end? xD
Necessary feature tree is a new one😂
I would really really like to make a game but thanks to Kira I realise it is far far more difficult but one day I will manage it somehow.
Depends on what game you gonna make. Ofcourse AAA stuff like MMORPG, or innovative, groundbreaking type of game is unrealistic. However, start with small scaled indie project and you might make it.
@@iloveanothermanswives4278 thanks. Obviously I plan on making the biggest MMO "you can do anything" game with infinite universes!
@@cleanerben9636 We all do. High expectations and desires have been the death of many a game developer
Honestly, start with a single player game in a genre you like, follow a tutorial to learn the Software and also the basics of how to build systems you like.
Then try to build the same game with out the tutorial, and you will learn alot of skills very fast, just remember to focus and the game, and not the visuals early on.
And don’t worry about finishing early projects you will be improving at a rate that these games will be not up to your standards very rapidly.
Once you get to a stable point then build a full game (still a simple project) then scale up from there.
Thats what I did and I learned alot of the basics in about 2 years, but obviously you will never learn everything so you need to be willing to get help from others once you start to progress
this was so weird to me. I'm hungarian and i am definetely not used to seeing hungarian sentences in basically any youtube video. It took me a few moments to realize that wait i can read that non english text, but this is a Kira video it can't be hungarian. WTF is going on. Then i realized that its just simply a hungarian scam dev team, figures.
PROJECTION: THE COMPANY!
Kira please close some tabs on your browser. Making me anxious! 😂
To be fair UA-cam in most cases needs to take videos down if there is any doubt, the only issue is there is no doubt that not only is the video not using their game in it at all.. Honestly I hope Callium gets a P.O. Box so he can fight next time without concern.
Unfortunately, what a 'doubt' means can be very subjective.
So i disagree that YT should take vids down from just that.
Copyright claims are abused enough as it is.
As kira explained, theres a whole process to it and good reason for it. Imagine if it didnt exist.
If you just took everything that can be doubted; the platform itself could not exist.
@@desperado3236 I agree, the whole system is completely messed up beyond repair honestly.. but UA-cam can be sued for siding with a content creator if they don't remove something they could be sued, too.. that and they don't appreciate creators as they should. If they watched the video at %500 speed even it would fix a lot of these fake takedowns.. that or actually punishing those who not only false strike but brag about it.
They have a new Facebook and a new kickstarter
11:15 That sounds remarkably similar to the digital homicide versus Jim Stirling interview. One of the owners of DH shouldn’t criticize their shit and because gaming commentators wouldn’t have anything to talk about if video games didn’t exist. It is an argument of truly monumental stupidity
It's ya boi, Kiraaaaaaa
When I saw the video title I assumed you were covering YanDev
Kickstarter to court :D
They didn’t know any better, they were blinded by the fog of war!
I'm really craving some fresh croissant.
Would definitely watch the uno reversi going on with these
Magic to Master and the old switcheroo
They're kickstarter is down subject to an intellectual property dispute
Sup Kira hop ya doing well! Thank you do the content.
This company is the embodiment of the "Leopards Ate My Face" reddit. "I know we wanted them talking about our game, but news outlets aren't allowed to say *bad* things about it!" Their entitlement is off the fucking charts.
Wooo, I love these videos. Keep them up!
Happy to see 'Turbo Dickhead' make a return!
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The DMCA needs a _huge_ overhaul.
Point of order Mr chairman, the penalty of perjury in the DMCA only applies to your owning of copyright alleged to be infringed, it doesn't apply to the actual allegation of infringement.
Lmfao theres companies that fail at mmo creation with 100s of millions of dollars. It is utterly insane that they think 27k will get it done.
This also points out how UA-cam will always side with those in the wrong.
Oh, do you know what this is?
This is like the emails scammers send to people who have already been scammed.
Pretending to be some government agency or some such, and that the scam victim is due some compensation, because they were scammed. Which, of course, is just scammers trying to exploit people they think are easy to scam.
"Oh, remember that game you backed that did not happen? Well, we are actually making it. Give us money"
AFAIK, the only way GameForge ever successfully cracked down on private servers was when there was tax evasion involved.
I mean the reviews don't lie.
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"Magic to Master - Free to Play MMORPG is the subject of an intellectual property dispute and is currently unavailable." from their Kickstarter @Kira
It's in the video.
The self awareness on Magic to Master is just so deliciously nonexistent. They're staring right into a mirror and saying how the person in the mirror is going to face consequences for what they've done. They just fail to realize it's actually themselves in the mirror, and not Gameforge or Callum etc.