That they dont do anything about cheats isnt true. Cheaters are getting banned on mass. Its just the incentive to cheat is incredibly high in this game. In CoD if you cheat you have a high KD, whatever. But in tarkov if you cheat you can extract loot. Lots of loot. Thern you can sell this loot to players who dont cheat. For real money. In tarkov its a job to cheat. So if you make 1k per month selling stuff and get banned once a month, and pay a 100 for cheats a month, you still make good money. Especially in poorer regions. Now we have an actual industry for cheats in tarkov. Something few other games have. Simply by the game design. Now add to that a deeply flawed terchnical design, which cant be changed without basically redoing the entire game, and we have cheat paradise. With little the devs can do about it
Hell even if you do get caught cheating the devs run a racket selling new accounts, this is why they are so lax on cheating, it keeps them coming back to buy accounts if they do eventually get caught
Im sick of all these Reddit Lawyers who don't understand you cannot copyright game mechanics. They can't copyright phrases either, they can only trademark them. Like "Apple Inc." is a trademark, not a copyright.
I mean loading screen minigame is copyrighted. so yes on some level you can. the problem is that no one have and would dear to try to copyright let say FPS. because they would get just slamed by every other dev/publisher even one that does not make FPS. let say Nintendo does not make FPS have never made a FPS ever and will never make a FPS (one of the metro games are FPS so void as a example already but lets pretend). they would jump in on that and just smack that bugger for trying to copyright FPS games. and the thing is there is really nothing stoping someone from copyrighting FPS.
@@Zack_Wester That's not how copyright works in most countries. You don't copyright something. If you make it, it is copyrighted by default unless you express otherwise. To "claim" copyright you'd have to open a court case against whoever you think is breaching your copyright. Also copyright is only for written or "artistic" work. "FPS" or "First person shooter" is too short and too obviously a description to claim copyright on.
@@Zack_Wester "the exclusive legal right, given to an originator or an assignee to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material, and to authorize others to do the same." The concept of loading screen minigames cannot be copyrighted lol who tried to do that? No concept or genre can be copyrighted, so anyone trying to copyright the concept of FPS would be denied on the face of it because the _concept_ is not an original work. Do you mean the _term_ FPS? Because the term first person shooter has been around for decades and literally anyone could challenge that trademark (phrases cannot be copyrighted.) I don't think they would even have to do it immediately before a trademark is given, they could use it as a defense if the trademark holder tries to go after them.
You can copyright a specific implementation of game rules. I.e. you can't literally copypasta them. You're right but I just thought it was worth clarifying. It's why during the OGL debacle, people were afraid of using the D&D mechanics because it's not clear which words and phrasings are protected even though the rules are conceptually not protected.
@darkeclipse506 I play tarkov but calling it realistic is a big stretch av shot people and hit them 16 or 17 times and they have walked away.Arma games are far more realistic just dont think we will find another extraction shooter (not tried grayzone yet like)
@darkeclipse506I would agree if SPT didn’t exist you can get 85% of the experience of the live game offers with no cheaters and you can change any aspect of the game in any way you want I do not see myself playing the live game ever again it’s just not appealing to play when SPT exists and it’s so easy to set up
@darkeclipse506 I actually had genuine fun with Cycle Frontier and was quite disappointed when they decided to cancel it. Got me to stop playing Tarkov for a while. In all reality though, I'm kind of done with Tarkov. As an EOD owner myself, I might as well sell my account and make some money back 😂
@@tracks681have you tried grayzone since this comment? I think its amazing, you can only die from organ failure and blood loss and if critically injured you go into a coma and will bleed out if you have any if a teammate cannot fix you in time. Definitely the most realistic of all games considering their hitboxes are pinpoint accurate and ballistics are realistic af.
One correction "they should have access for free" nope They should have access because they already paid for it. They're having access revoked because they're not paying more.
Refusing to give back the $50 as a refund should be enough for a class action lawsuit. Nobody wants a useless key or coupon. They are flat out stealing from you.
I agree but if you already sunk $150 into a video game, why would you go in for another $100. Especially after them bein caught lying. The best way to avoid being scammed is avoid dodgy people/ practices. The devs of this game for example
The scam for those that bought the previous edition is the cherry on top but even ignoring that part of the drama, locking a game mode behind a $250 price tag is insane and more so when part of that functionality has already been replicated by modders.
BSG was also notorious for not helping with people locked out of playing the game for various reasons. The most common one is saw was refusing to help with email mistakes by both the consumer and BSG. This would result in the person who purchased the game being SOL and either having to repurchase the game or wait months for a first response from BSG. They want as much money as possible and they're OK with being shady about it bc they know, "Russia".
@@seekittycat , well, I don't think that is a good way to "joke" about the situation, and idk how any relatively logical individual could come to that conclusion. I could be wrong, but I sure don't see a valid argument to corroborate that mindset. Also, that last bit you said was insinuating that all these people are buying the $250 edition? What about all the completely valid complaints from those that didn't, don't see a price value warranted, or the ones that bought the last expensive version and are told they no longer allowed to get what they paid for? Seems like your _point_ isn't really including everyone, but making it out to be just people that are paying and complaining, to write a false narrative. I could be completely wrong here, but that's what your comment read like to me. Even if your comment was the case, people are allowed to be upset with the price of things they pay for, especially when they're insanely out of touch with reality. You buy anything recently and been like, "wtf is this fucking price?"
Like I've said before, if these guys get away with selling this to consumers, other big studios will look at this and think that they can do the same thing. Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, Blizzard. They will try it. Hell, im sire they have done it before. People will riot and call them out. But some people will buy that expensive version of the game. And it will just continue from there.
250 USD for a DLC that dont really contains a lot of stuff. remmber when 250 USD would get you a in general a fine crafted statue, an art book, a nice themed box, a Music CD or several, some gimic, some documentations or something like that, several feelies and so on. Tarkov a singleplayer mode.
You know, you could look at it as they having just admitted they sold something they couldn't provide and KNEW they couldn't. Sounds to me like something something criminal...
I have over 4 years playing and loving this game (EOD owner). What happened was an atom bomb on the community. They tried scamming us in December with the Arena release by staggering access, but if you bought a copy, you got access straight away. They also threw Sigma (EvasionGG owner) out of the emissary program this week for speaking up, and didn't even bother telling her. Also another ex-emissary from the UK (Ironfists) today tweeted that he quit his role, and streaming fulltime, due to threats from BSG due to a tweet he put out. This is a disgustingly crap company, and they are getting what they deserve.
Bad PR, good PR all the same. I have no idea about this but has this made mass amount of people uninstall and stop playing the game? Anyone have the numbers? Or are people still playing and are a mass amount of content creators creating content on it for weeks keeping EFT on the forefront of everyones minds?
Battlestate Games: This is not DLC. Everyone else on the planet known as Earth: This content your releasing is Downloadable Content... It's DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT... DLC means DownLoadable Content... Even if you wanna get Technical, it's Downloadable Content by all definitions... Battlestate Games, what planet are you from?
Well, they stated that nothing released during alpha is a DLC as the game is not officially released, dunno how the law would see this but i think they probably made sure that they act within legal boundaries before they announced it.
It makes me really sad the Tarkov players are going from one p2w game to another(greyzone warfare). I really want to believe that gamers will eventually stop falling for these predatory practices but they keep voluntary giving these companies their money time and time again.
Developers, here's a simple checklist to determine if something is a DLC? 1. Is it content? 2. Is it downloadable? Yes to both confirms you have a DLC.
Exit strategy confirmed. Gets as many players to upgrade as possible before the failure. People are already looking into their finances, their booths at game shows have been very extravagant and expensive to the point you would think they were a AAA studio and not an indie. Nikata the COO of BSG is a habitual liar.
I remeber when these game modes or King of the Hill and Elimination style matches used to be ny default included in every multiplayer shooter genere game, now its literally one game representative of one game mode, and has extra content included in later, if you beg with your wallet enough.
Nobody cares about dislikes, especially because most of those dislikes are from ppl not even having the game and those who have it & dislike that Unheard edition, will probably still buy it 😂 Tarkov was always ment for a select type of hardcore players who are willing to overpay for any edge they might get in game.
The real joke is, SPT already proves that running Tarkov on a single machine for one player works like a charm. They should just have released it as a single player edition for like 35 buckaroos.
“We don’t have server capacity” is such a weird thing to hear in 2024. It’s not like back in the early wow days where expanding capacity required buying new hw, negotiating colocation space (or building a data center) and actually building everything out. More servers are a few text file changes away. There are sometimes some limits in terms of architecture like what helldivers ran into but that was orders of magnitude more than the expected traffic and still took them only a few days to fix.
People like to bring up the "don't like it, don't buy it", and this time it was even brought up by the developer himself, but it doesn't work that way. All of this shit is designed to manipulate people into buying stuff they either don't really need or is way overpriced. I don't want this to turn into a giga long rant about all the tiring stuff in modern "live service" games like battle passes, timed exclusivity and gambling, so I will just say this is interesting because even though a good old no bullshit DLC is in general one of the fairest monetization options you can have, the devs still managed to fuck this up by, on top of the worse issue of not delivering on their promises, making this P2W and way overpriced to get their hugely invested players to buy in. Imagine you're a Tarkov main with thousands of hours and this game is a huge part of your life. The incentive to buy this shit surely is there, if they have the money. There *needs* to be pushback, otherwise this will never end and keep getting worse. Everytime I see people defend this shit or say it doesn't matter it makes me think I'm the insane one, so thanks for your videos on these topics.
As a D2 player, I don't mind the DLC prices. Having to pay extra to access the Y2 content that's like, 80% been removed from the game, that's the problem.
the real question is why do they need server capacity for an OFFLINE mode, last epoch did it right there's the online app and the offline app, offline is offline local saves the lot
@@iamjustkiwi Anyone can buy Cryptocurrency. He’s been very clear on it several times. If you want to speculate in Crypto that’s your choice and your risk. As he’s also said before. I wouldn’t buy any myself as I’m not interested in gambling on highly volatile assets; I haven’t the time or interest to monitor them.
Add a cat/dog DLC to hideout, add rare little military outfits and accessories you can scavenge to dress them up with. BOOM, easy money flow without pay to win and scamming people with this Unheard/PvE nonsense. So difficult.
I bought the EoD Edition once I finally hit 300 hours and had no intent on stopping. I genuinely find the game enjoyable solo and especially with friends. This though? This is beyond bullshit. I think it's a relatively open secret at this point that Tarkov is *never* going to get a full release. BSG are far too slow with updates, too willing to pad time with minor inclusions and far too comfortable with their current scheme to shake things up with an actual full release. By the time all the maps are released, all the planned updates are out, etc, the game will be nearly a decade behind the curve once competitors start creeping in, and they will...they already have. I haven't played for the past two wipes but seeing this... makes me regret being so willing to give them my money in the first place. Greed to the nth degree.
I dont play this game, but I defend it. I defend free market, every company should be able to do what the want, and consumers decide whats wrong or right with there green little friends. If you dont LIKE what they are doing, dont play the game nor purchase any of there stuff.
@@jordixboy That works for products that you buy and are yours. Modern games are not that at all. They're a service you buy into. In this case the people upset are people who have already bought, and they ain't getting a refund.
I considered buying shark cards for GTA online for a while, then I learned this secret - Wait in a public lobby for a while and someone will cheat and give everyone cash, log out, log back in and spend the cash on whatever you want to launder it :) No need for shark cards!
This fiasco finally made me stop playing after 5800 hours. There's a hidden perk for Unheard Edition owners and it's a dollop of shit on your upper lip.
BSG accusing others of plagiarizing is hilarious considering the sheer volume of trademarked and copyrighted content they have included in game assets.
Tarkov felt shady when it was first released, sadly i don't trust a lot of the eastern bloc developers, seems like so many just making scam games or finding ways to scam, or outright steal from the players. Guess i was right about Tarkov. Never played it and now i never will. P2W, scamming players who paid 150$, preferential matchmaking.
Lets be real here, it was not designed as a scam. They developed the game for a long time, and implemented a lot of new stuff. And even for 150€ you had a lot of content, more than you have with Battlefield. And there the best game version also costs 100+. And yes while it is strictly speaking pay to win as you do get an advantage, that is so small, its barely relevant. But still all that beeing said: trying to sell a dlc as a FeAtuRe is bullshit. And Aldingen more and more paid advantages is also not what anyone wants.
Not sure how you can be so positive that the devs of Tarkov did not have the intentions of ripping players off. It’s not like they just had an epiphany and decided it was time to scam… so let’s be real here… they have been shady since it first came out on the scene, I don’t play it, but I keep myself updated on a lot of games.
@@sinnisota2831 Sure they are shady. But not in the way that they wanted to scam, but that they are absolute narcissists, striking people who dont agree, banning everyone who is not 100% on their side, like a cult. But if you develop a game for like 10 years actively with a lot of new feateres etc, including many of the initially announced features, excluding those that turned out to be technically imposssible as is normal for any early access game, its really not a scam. Announcing a great game, selling and then immediately stopping development would be a scam. This here is just a case of a CEO completely out of touch.
They've just made competition for themselves, "Gray Zone" was just released on Steam, with mixed ratings. The positive reviews make comments like, "At least it doesn't cost $250." When tens of thousands of people flock to a mixed-review game, and highlight Tarkov's issues in their support of said mixed game, you messed up. Bad.
It's easy to understand why they choose to add more pay to win in EOD. There is an old video of Nikita CEO of BSG, taking about their first game Contract Wars, it was free to play browser team shooter. That there more cheaters there is, the more people willing to donate for better equipment, gun's ect in thinking that paying will help them win. So we have tarkov suffering from cheaters where developers most of the time do nothing and ban cheaters in waves when people start leaving game because of the amount of cheaters. Then again do nothing until community starts rebellion. And now they add even crazyer pay to win then before. EOD itself was a PayToWin already. You get x2 secure container space, more money, good gun's at start of the wipe. And you already have 0.20 relationship with all trader's, for better understanding other players will need to do from 7 to 12 quest's to progress to lvl 2 of trader's but EOD will need to do 0 quest's for lvl 2. And by the time regular player get to lvl 2 trader's. EOD players will be almost at lvl 3 or at lvl 3 on the way to lvl 4.
if every eft player would watch that video, bsg would go under the next day.. hopefully leaving the IP up for grabs for the modding community to put together a proper game
33:00 "So what happens if this obviously bad feature turns out to be bad?" "We can just nerf it into the ground. It's not like anyone's ever gotten mad over sudden post-release nerfs, right?"
why is it always so hard to say "we're sorry for what we did" instead of the old "we're sorry you felt bad about what we did." the moment I hear that I'm not interested in being gaslit and giving whoever said it the benefit of the doubt.
@DotDusk they're not in court, they're trying to do PR damage control. It's not ticket science, it's not legal liability, it's trying to assuage paying customers.
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I have zero interest whatsoever of playing a PVP shooter rife with hackers. However, I'd gladly pay $25 for a PVE version that I can play solo. You are spot on.
I would say for the most part this is the best video of laying out what happened though it does feel like a disservice with you leaving out the most recent Reddit post from BSG going over what is changing for each edition but I’ll give benefit of doubt that you recorded this and uploaded before that happened. I really appreciate your take on this and giving great opinions on this vs a lot of the other content creators like Onepeg that just milked this drama or Noiceguy that just cried and changed his name over this. I would disagree on the DLC though as when I got EOD when anything was mentioned about DLC it was always talking about stuff after the release of the game and talked about the scav life dlc as the example of what to expect. I wouldn’t consider the PvE mode a dlc and would consider it something else as it doesn’t add anything to the base game like a normal DLC would so I can understand where BSG was coming from in not originally adding access to this mode to EOD. I also don’t understand why everyone is calling stuff out as pay to win as I don’t see anything that gives you an advantage over other players in fight. Sure you can pay extra to start with some bonus gear at the start of the wipe but if your shit at this game your just gonna loose that gear to a better player, doesn’t really change the outcome. If you’re already a veteran player and start the wipe with that gear I could see an argument that it also you to snowball your progress faster but at the same time a veteran player would have already been doing that and having some starting gear isn’t going to change that.
This is a total slap in the face to the players. I had been thinking of giving Tarkov a try, but not any more. If I was a player, I'd have uninstalled and never look back.
The cherry on top of course is the addition of all of the new p2w garbage that only serves to dumb down your once hardcore mil-sim experience. So they've really fucked their game from all sides.
100% spot on that no studio gets to single-handedly redefine what a clear industry standard like "DLC" means. Watch carefully in the next few years as Star Citizen tries to pull the same trick and redefine what "Commercial Release" means. Love the game, as you can tell from my name, but I see this same exact situation happening in the near future.
That's so crazy that after all this time I just realized. You can mod ARMA 3 to basically play this game for free whenever you want and not only that, but you can set your own rules, assets, etc etc.
Yah that Gray zone game really got a good launch time put right in their lap. I've seen lots of people playing it and having fun as a tarkov alternative.
The people on corporate path burn every company under them while churning out temporary profits that leave the companies destroyed in their wake. But they're not judged on the overall life of a company, only on their time they spent their. They can just claim the person who came after them are the reason it's so messed up even though they're the factual reason it's that way. Just like Presidents and Prime Ministers do in the USA and Canada Like when some insane people tried to blame Biden for there being children in ICE camps when it was because of Trump they got there in the first place. Or people blaming Trudeau for building the oil pipe line when Harper is the person who signed the deal and would have cost billions to break the contract.
They're raised and educated with the idea that the only metric is profit. That's the culture that's got to change. Money is important but it's not the only thing.
There was a famous Roman legal scholar who described fraud along the lines of "to present one thing but to do another" Which is a bit more wide than the legal definition, but I believe it to be closer to the common persons definition.
If they promised all future DLC with the 110$ version and they backpedaled with technicalities, what makes you think they won' to the same with this new 250$ edition? This guys cannot be trusted anymore.
They're russian, of course they dont care about the consumers, only the money. I've never known any russian gaming developer or publisher ever be known for looking after its audience
The cost of the PVE mode is because it's one of the main pay-to-win elements. Progress in gearing and rep are passed from the PVE to PVP. It allows whales to get kit and rep safely, then enter PVP ready to win.
I bought the EOD edition in 2017 not for an advantage but because I wanted to support the game. Then they slowly started to cater to streamers and did not address the massive cheating problem. On top of that expect me to drop 250 dollars for pve mode after being promised all future dlc. Nah man, I'm good.
"While UA-cam offers a number of different webforms to address legal complaints related to trademark, counterfeit, privacy, defamation, copyright and circumvention of technological measures, you may use this 'Other legal' webform to report claims based on country-specific laws. For example, you may use this webform to report content that potentially violates country-specific laws on anti-terrorism, obscenity and hate speech." Interesting.
Clash Royale did something similar in 2023 with ramping up P2W. Similar circumstances too, everyone knew scumminess was a long time coming and there isn't anything similar on the market. The community expectedly went ballistic and the game's revenue has taken a huge hit since and it's making much less.
The EoD thing I see differently. The EoD should have been gone after a couple months. It was a special limited edition for early supporters. That's also where they shit on themselves. If like 1% of customers had EoD, they would still make money selling DLC. Most serious players have it now and nobody would have to pay for any DLC that is ever released. So BSG wouldn't be able to make money selling stuff.
Bought the EOD at a severe discount when COVID happened. They were doing a special that was 50% off. I'm glad I did that. Sadly, the devs don't deserve this game. Thanks for killing the game.
i quit a few months ago, after 7.2k hours, grew sick of the cheating epidemic, now after this i have no intention of returning, or supporting them in future
"We are having no financial troubles." 1 line later... "It is too expensive to let people play our game." Stellar.
They just figured out its easy not to have financial troubles if you dont run servers but charge for it anyways.
Translation:
Battlestate Games CEO Nikita: I got a lot of money.
Battlestate Games Studios: We don't have any money, our CEO put it all in his pocket.
The funds are going back to the motherland, running out of tanks and ammo
@@donkzy2406exactly reportedly lot of $$ is being funneled into Russian gov to pay for its war
@@donkzy2406 The company is based in the UK.
Then again, the UK is legit running out of tanks and ammo.
The fun thing is that this was the game “The Day Before” scammers were trying to emulate. And now Tarkov aspired to surpass them in scamming.
BSG really called The Day Before devs amateurs
@darkeclipse506 ion reading that
@darkeclipse506that work of art boosts my 5800x3d to 4.2 GHZ just to get crazy framedrops.
@darkeclipse506sucks being an addict, but we all have our vices
@darkeclipse506 "they did fix the problem" - No, and if you think it's still a good deal to buy Unheard Ed. you need to give your head a shake
Why would anyone pay $150 to $250 for an advantage when it's so easy to cheat and the devs dont do anything about it?
Cheats are even more expensive you have to continually pay for them
Yea I saw something where people are paying hundreds a month for cheats. Like car payments..
That they dont do anything about cheats isnt true. Cheaters are getting banned on mass. Its just the incentive to cheat is incredibly high in this game.
In CoD if you cheat you have a high KD, whatever. But in tarkov if you cheat you can extract loot. Lots of loot. Thern you can sell this loot to players who dont cheat. For real money. In tarkov its a job to cheat. So if you make 1k per month selling stuff and get banned once a month, and pay a 100 for cheats a month, you still make good money. Especially in poorer regions. Now we have an actual industry for cheats in tarkov. Something few other games have. Simply by the game design.
Now add to that a deeply flawed terchnical design, which cant be changed without basically redoing the entire game, and we have cheat paradise. With little the devs can do about it
Why would anyone support a russian company that supports genocide?
Hell even if you do get caught cheating the devs run a racket selling new accounts, this is why they are so lax on cheating, it keeps them coming back to buy accounts if they do eventually get caught
Man, the big wigs over overwatch 2 must be kicking themselves over their decision to cancel their PvE instead of selling it for over $200
The "I'm sorry you feel that way" is some intense narcissist sauce!
I'm sorry you feel that way
@@cinchmccoy😂
general sam once said "this game hates poor people" and as a former player, it's still a painfully true statement.
Poor people and newbies. The worst part of the game is easily the first 15 levels.
@@misterymisterio8778 And casuals.
Not poor people people that has has common fooking sense and refuse to pay that price tag
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@@misterymisterio8778
Poor people cant afford food or are living in a literal war zone. Calm down.
Im sick of all these Reddit Lawyers who don't understand you cannot copyright game mechanics. They can't copyright phrases either, they can only trademark them. Like "Apple Inc." is a trademark, not a copyright.
I mean loading screen minigame is copyrighted.
so yes on some level you can.
the problem is that no one have and would dear to try to copyright let say FPS. because they would get just slamed by every other dev/publisher even one that does not make FPS.
let say Nintendo does not make FPS have never made a FPS ever and will never make a FPS (one of the metro games are FPS so void as a example already but lets pretend).
they would jump in on that and just smack that bugger for trying to copyright FPS games.
and the thing is there is really nothing stoping someone from copyrighting FPS.
@@Zack_Wester That's not how copyright works in most countries. You don't copyright something. If you make it, it is copyrighted by default unless you express otherwise. To "claim" copyright you'd have to open a court case against whoever you think is breaching your copyright. Also copyright is only for written or "artistic" work. "FPS" or "First person shooter" is too short and too obviously a description to claim copyright on.
@@Zack_Wester
"the exclusive legal right, given to an originator or an assignee to print, publish, perform, film, or record literary, artistic, or musical material, and to authorize others to do the same."
The concept of loading screen minigames cannot be copyrighted lol who tried to do that? No concept or genre can be copyrighted, so anyone trying to copyright the concept of FPS would be denied on the face of it because the _concept_ is not an original work. Do you mean the _term_ FPS? Because the term first person shooter has been around for decades and literally anyone could challenge that trademark (phrases cannot be copyrighted.) I don't think they would even have to do it immediately before a trademark is given, they could use it as a defense if the trademark holder tries to go after them.
@@Zack_Wester loading screen minigames are patented, not copyrighted...
There's a huge difference!
You can copyright a specific implementation of game rules. I.e. you can't literally copypasta them. You're right but I just thought it was worth clarifying. It's why during the OGL debacle, people were afraid of using the D&D mechanics because it's not clear which words and phrasings are protected even though the rules are conceptually not protected.
The entire world, not just gamers, have officially escaped Tarkov.
*ba dum tss*
@darkeclipse506 I play tarkov but calling it realistic is a big stretch av shot people and hit them 16 or 17 times and they have walked away.Arma games are far more realistic just dont think we will find another extraction shooter (not tried grayzone yet like)
@darkeclipse506I would agree if SPT didn’t exist you can get 85% of the experience of the live game offers with no cheaters and you can change any aspect of the game in any way you want I do not see myself playing the live game ever again it’s just not appealing to play when SPT exists and it’s so easy to set up
@darkeclipse506 I actually had genuine fun with Cycle Frontier and was quite disappointed when they decided to cancel it. Got me to stop playing Tarkov for a while.
In all reality though, I'm kind of done with Tarkov. As an EOD owner myself, I might as well sell my account and make some money back 😂
@@tracks681have you tried grayzone since this comment? I think its amazing, you can only die from organ failure and blood loss and if critically injured you go into a coma and will bleed out if you have any if a teammate cannot fix you in time. Definitely the most realistic of all games considering their hitboxes are pinpoint accurate and ballistics are realistic af.
Everyone is talking about "Unheard Edition" costing $250. It does not!
It's $250 + Fees + 25% taxes. So actual price is around $315
Yeah, same with the base game being “50” bucks
25% taxes?? That would be insane
@@maskettaman1488 They don't eat the cost like every other company does.
@@matthewjackman8410No company eats the taxes. 25% is just a bonkers number to come up with lol
@@maskettaman1488 I had to pay 21% extra on eod
One correction "they should have access for free"
nope
They should have access because they already paid for it. They're having access revoked because they're not paying more.
Refusing to give back the $50 as a refund should be enough for a class action lawsuit. Nobody wants a useless key or coupon. They are flat out stealing from you.
I agree but if you already sunk $150 into a video game, why would you go in for another $100. Especially after them bein caught lying. The best way to avoid being scammed is avoid dodgy people/ practices. The devs of this game for example
The scam for those that bought the previous edition is the cherry on top but even ignoring that part of the drama, locking a game mode behind a $250 price tag is insane and more so when part of that functionality has already been replicated by modders.
BSG was also notorious for not helping with people locked out of playing the game for various reasons. The most common one is saw was refusing to help with email mistakes by both the consumer and BSG. This would result in the person who purchased the game being SOL and either having to repurchase the game or wait months for a first response from BSG. They want as much money as possible and they're OK with being shady about it bc they know, "Russia".
Idk if I've ever seen a Q&A where every question is longer than the answer. Almost like it refeeds into their philosophy of "we really don't care."
Asmons comparison to the magic 8-ball was pretty on point
@@Dommifax 😂 That does sound like a spot-on comparison, but I think the magic 8-ball might care about you more
I think they were trying to be funny and minimize the issues. To be fair if everyone's yelling but forking over 250 then it really really is a joke.
@@seekittycat , well, I don't think that is a good way to "joke" about the situation, and idk how any relatively logical individual could come to that conclusion. I could be wrong, but I sure don't see a valid argument to corroborate that mindset.
Also, that last bit you said was insinuating that all these people are buying the $250 edition? What about all the completely valid complaints from those that didn't, don't see a price value warranted, or the ones that bought the last expensive version and are told they no longer allowed to get what they paid for? Seems like your _point_ isn't really including everyone, but making it out to be just people that are paying and complaining, to write a false narrative. I could be completely wrong here, but that's what your comment read like to me. Even if your comment was the case, people are allowed to be upset with the price of things they pay for, especially when they're insanely out of touch with reality. You buy anything recently and been like, "wtf is this fucking price?"
@@seekittycat What kind of dumb deflect is this? You know that the people yelling and the people paying 250 can be different groups of people, right?
I just cannot get over the price they are asking for....both times, to me the cost is mental and its still in early access as well
cant even blame them when there's fools who will pay for it
@@starberry22not as many as they were hoping for
@@jaboba69 i hope so
To be, fair, such as it is, to the tarkov devs it's not like they have a studio funding them. But the price is hilarious yes.
Like I've said before, if these guys get away with selling this to consumers, other big studios will look at this and think that they can do the same thing.
Ubisoft, EA, Bethesda, Blizzard. They will try it. Hell, im sire they have done it before. People will riot and call them out. But some people will buy that expensive version of the game. And it will just continue from there.
250 USD for a DLC that dont really contains a lot of stuff.
remmber when 250 USD would get you a in general a fine crafted statue, an art book, a nice themed box, a Music CD or several, some gimic, some documentations or something like that, several feelies and so on.
Tarkov a singleplayer mode.
You know, you could look at it as they having just admitted they sold something they couldn't provide and KNEW they couldn't. Sounds to me like something something criminal...
The most insane part, that most overlook, is that it’s 250 bucks before taxes. It costs 306 euros for Europeans.
Time to settle in and hear the story of how Escape from Tarkov 'did a Unity'.
EFT are Russo cheato
Slava Ukraine 😊
I have over 4 years playing and loving this game (EOD owner). What happened was an atom bomb on the community. They tried scamming us in December with the Arena release by staggering access, but if you bought a copy, you got access straight away. They also threw Sigma (EvasionGG owner) out of the emissary program this week for speaking up, and didn't even bother telling her. Also another ex-emissary from the UK (Ironfists) today tweeted that he quit his role, and streaming fulltime, due to threats from BSG due to a tweet he put out. This is a disgustingly crap company, and they are getting what they deserve.
Why would you support the russian genocide of Ukrainians just to play a crap game?
PR students will study this 😂 great example of how not to handle a controversy
Bad PR has been happening for over a decade so I don't think the curriculum has been updated.
Bad PR, good PR all the same. I have no idea about this but has this made mass amount of people uninstall and stop playing the game? Anyone have the numbers? Or are people still playing and are a mass amount of content creators creating content on it for weeks keeping EFT on the forefront of everyones minds?
Go do your own research@@AllTheSmoke90
I doubt the CEOs will ever learn. They live in a bubble.
@@AllTheSmoke90 It's cute that you think EFT is on the forefront of everyone's mind.
The hubris of Nikita baffles me. That guy really lives in his own little reality bubble.
Battlestate Games: This is not DLC.
Everyone else on the planet known as Earth: This content your releasing is Downloadable Content... It's DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT... DLC means DownLoadable Content... Even if you wanna get Technical, it's Downloadable Content by all definitions... Battlestate Games, what planet are you from?
It is downloadable, but i would say there is no content so it is just a dl😂
BattleState somewhere-out-in-fucking-galactica, that‘s where they‘re from.
Well, they stated that nothing released during alpha is a DLC as the game is not officially released, dunno how the law would see this but i think they probably made sure that they act within legal boundaries before they announced it.
It makes me really sad the Tarkov players are going from one p2w game to another(greyzone warfare). I really want to believe that gamers will eventually stop falling for these predatory practices but they keep voluntary giving these companies their money time and time again.
People just jump on bandwagons and the Twitch community has now moved to hype Grey Zone.
At least they stay away from my precious PvE / Co-op games.
So long as there’s people willing to pay for EA sport games, there will never be hope lmao
They aren't gamers, they're p2w gamers. They aren't going to play any other type of game.
Developers, here's a simple checklist to determine if something is a DLC?
1. Is it content?
2. Is it downloadable?
Yes to both confirms you have a DLC.
Exit strategy confirmed. Gets as many players to upgrade as possible before the failure.
People are already looking into their finances, their booths at game shows have been very extravagant and expensive to the point you would think they were a AAA studio and not an indie. Nikata the COO of BSG is a habitual liar.
I remeber when these game modes or King of the Hill and Elimination style matches used to be ny default included in every multiplayer shooter genere game, now its literally one game representative of one game mode, and has extra content included in later, if you beg with your wallet enough.
Kira branded cereal called Friendos when? I am thinking something similar to Fruit loops.
51,000+ dislikes vs 5000+ likes on the trailer
Good
I wonder how much they paid for the 5k likes from bot accounts.
@@endlessstrata6988 The likes are from all the people who bought unheard edition
how are you seeing dislikes as youtube stopped showing them
Nobody cares about dislikes, especially because most of those dislikes are from ppl not even having the game and those who have it & dislike that Unheard edition, will probably still buy it 😂 Tarkov was always ment for a select type of hardcore players who are willing to overpay for any edge they might get in game.
@@DerDrecksack87 i disliked the video and i only have standard edition
The real joke is, SPT already proves that running Tarkov on a single machine for one player works like a charm. They should just have released it as a single player edition for like 35 buckaroos.
Take a mile, give an inch, wait for applause.
perfect phrasing for corporations
“We don’t have server capacity” is such a weird thing to hear in 2024. It’s not like back in the early wow days where expanding capacity required buying new hw, negotiating colocation space (or building a data center) and actually building everything out. More servers are a few text file changes away. There are sometimes some limits in terms of architecture like what helldivers ran into but that was orders of magnitude more than the expected traffic and still took them only a few days to fix.
People like to bring up the "don't like it, don't buy it", and this time it was even brought up by the developer himself, but it doesn't work that way. All of this shit is designed to manipulate people into buying stuff they either don't really need or is way overpriced.
I don't want this to turn into a giga long rant about all the tiring stuff in modern "live service" games like battle passes, timed exclusivity and gambling, so I will just say this is interesting because even though a good old no bullshit DLC is in general one of the fairest monetization options you can have, the devs still managed to fuck this up by, on top of the worse issue of not delivering on their promises, making this P2W and way overpriced to get their hugely invested players to buy in. Imagine you're a Tarkov main with thousands of hours and this game is a huge part of your life. The incentive to buy this shit surely is there, if they have the money.
There *needs* to be pushback, otherwise this will never end and keep getting worse. Everytime I see people defend this shit or say it doesn't matter it makes me think I'm the insane one, so thanks for your videos on these topics.
dont like it dont buy it dont play it and stop talking bout it - plenty of games for you fools to go hate on
This is something I would expect Ubisoft to do. And I fully expect them to do.
Ubisoft dont have to. They have whales to milk.
Ubi could release all their games for free and still make mad profit off of whales.
for a moment there i thought nothing could be higher then Destiny 2 DLCs prices but this just tops that
Destiny is a wild cashgrab and almost a scam .. .but this is even worse :'D
@@yuzuchi5381as a Destiny player I can only agree
DOA 6 is more i.sane than that. It's almost 5k for everything
As a D2 player, I don't mind the DLC prices. Having to pay extra to access the Y2 content that's like, 80% been removed from the game, that's the problem.
the real question is why do they need server capacity for an OFFLINE mode, last epoch did it right there's the online app and the offline app, offline is offline local saves the lot
Crypto ad before you video... Like guys I think you might have the wrong crowd.
what's an ad
It's like all the marvel movies ads before a video criticizing Disney.
If you don’t want UA-cam algorithm adverts; buy Premium
Iirc kira has said he actually buys / has bought crypto. Make of that what you will.
@@iamjustkiwi Anyone can buy Cryptocurrency. He’s been very clear on it several times. If you want to speculate in Crypto that’s your choice and your risk. As he’s also said before. I wouldn’t buy any myself as I’m not interested in gambling on highly volatile assets; I haven’t the time or interest to monitor them.
Add a cat/dog DLC to hideout, add rare little military outfits and accessories you can scavenge to dress them up with. BOOM, easy money flow without pay to win and scamming people with this Unheard/PvE nonsense. So difficult.
Imagine paying 250$ to explore a boring, empty asset map and then die to a guy using aimbot and wall hacks anyway.
Lmfao
Time to join managed democracy, it only requires $40 for armor, bullets, and a almost new super destroyer.
Become a helldiver today! 😊
I bought the EoD Edition once I finally hit 300 hours and had no intent on stopping. I genuinely find the game enjoyable solo and especially with friends.
This though? This is beyond bullshit. I think it's a relatively open secret at this point that Tarkov is *never* going to get a full release. BSG are far too slow with updates, too willing to pad time with minor inclusions and far too comfortable with their current scheme to shake things up with an actual full release. By the time all the maps are released, all the planned updates are out, etc, the game will be nearly a decade behind the curve once competitors start creeping in, and they will...they already have. I haven't played for the past two wipes but seeing this... makes me regret being so willing to give them my money in the first place. Greed to the nth degree.
well said.
The people defending this deserve to have this company take all their money.
lets hope they go broke :D
People who bought from a russian company game are literally a cancer to the society
they get the game they deserve, that's for sure
I dont play this game, but I defend it. I defend free market, every company should be able to do what the want, and consumers decide whats wrong or right with there green little friends. If you dont LIKE what they are doing, dont play the game nor purchase any of there stuff.
@@jordixboy That works for products that you buy and are yours. Modern games are not that at all. They're a service you buy into. In this case the people upset are people who have already bought, and they ain't getting a refund.
I considered buying shark cards for GTA online for a while, then I learned this secret - Wait in a public lobby for a while and someone will cheat and give everyone cash, log out, log back in and spend the cash on whatever you want to launder it :) No need for shark cards!
I'm 100% positive that interview was conducted with an actual caveman if I look at some of the responses to the questions.
This fiasco finally made me stop playing after 5800 hours.
There's a hidden perk for Unheard Edition owners and it's a dollop of shit on your upper lip.
BSG accusing others of plagiarizing is hilarious considering the sheer volume of trademarked and copyrighted content they have included in game assets.
Tarkov felt shady when it was first released, sadly i don't trust a lot of the eastern bloc developers, seems like so many just making scam games or finding ways to scam, or outright steal from the players. Guess i was right about Tarkov. Never played it and now i never will. P2W, scamming players who paid 150$, preferential matchmaking.
Don't worry, nobody in the ex-eastern bloc trusts Russians either
Lets be real here, it was not designed as a scam. They developed the game for a long time, and implemented a lot of new stuff.
And even for 150€ you had a lot of content, more than you have with Battlefield. And there the best game version also costs 100+.
And yes while it is strictly speaking pay to win as you do get an advantage, that is so small, its barely relevant.
But still all that beeing said: trying to sell a dlc as a FeAtuRe is bullshit. And Aldingen more and more paid advantages is also not what anyone wants.
Not sure how you can be so positive that the devs of Tarkov did not have the intentions of ripping players off. It’s not like they just had an epiphany and decided it was time to scam… so let’s be real here… they have been shady since it first came out on the scene, I don’t play it, but I keep myself updated on a lot of games.
BYE FELICIA!!!
@@sinnisota2831 Sure they are shady. But not in the way that they wanted to scam, but that they are absolute narcissists, striking people who dont agree, banning everyone who is not 100% on their side, like a cult.
But if you develop a game for like 10 years actively with a lot of new feateres etc, including many of the initially announced features, excluding those that turned out to be technically imposssible as is normal for any early access game, its really not a scam.
Announcing a great game, selling and then immediately stopping development would be a scam. This here is just a case of a CEO completely out of touch.
I knew somerhing was up at the start where your inventories hard limit was based on how much money you gave them
They've just made competition for themselves, "Gray Zone" was just released on Steam, with mixed ratings. The positive reviews make comments like, "At least it doesn't cost $250." When tens of thousands of people flock to a mixed-review game, and highlight Tarkov's issues in their support of said mixed game, you messed up. Bad.
Two hundred and fifty dollars. That says so much in so few words.
Anticipating the Kira video on this whole debacle. This gon be gud.
It's easy to understand why they choose to add more pay to win in EOD.
There is an old video of Nikita CEO of BSG, taking about their first game Contract Wars, it was free to play browser team shooter.
That there more cheaters there is, the more people willing to donate for better equipment, gun's ect in thinking that paying will help them win.
So we have tarkov suffering from cheaters where developers most of the time do nothing and ban cheaters in waves when people start leaving game because of the amount of cheaters. Then again do nothing until community starts rebellion.
And now they add even crazyer pay to win then before. EOD itself was a PayToWin already. You get x2 secure container space, more money, good gun's at start of the wipe. And you already have 0.20 relationship with all trader's, for better understanding other players will need to do from 7 to 12 quest's to progress to lvl 2 of trader's but EOD will need to do 0 quest's for lvl 2. And by the time regular player get to lvl 2 trader's. EOD players will be almost at lvl 3 or at lvl 3 on the way to lvl 4.
if every eft player would watch that video, bsg would go under the next day.. hopefully leaving the IP up for grabs for the modding community to put together a proper game
It's always good to see people who wait a little for issues to settle before they report. Cheers, Kira.
33:00 "So what happens if this obviously bad feature turns out to be bad?"
"We can just nerf it into the ground. It's not like anyone's ever gotten mad over sudden post-release nerfs, right?"
why is it always so hard to say "we're sorry for what we did" instead of the old "we're sorry you felt bad about what we did."
the moment I hear that I'm not interested in being gaslit and giving whoever said it the benefit of the doubt.
One has plausible deniability, and the other is an admission of guilt. It is not rocket science.
@DotDusk they're not in court, they're trying to do PR damage control.
It's not ticket science, it's not legal liability, it's trying to assuage paying customers.
@@DotDusk it's not rocket science, it's not even a question of legal liability, it's actually PR damage control.
The most disgusting fact is that the unique knife they advertise is asset from a store...
Man i dont care about any of the games you ever talk about but i enjoy hearing you shit on devs and companies
Holy hell! Increase the scale of your display settings. Need a magnifying glass to read anything.
The repeat mention of these "true believers" makes him sound like a cult leader lmao
LONG LIVE EFT AND NIKITA -- the greatest cult leader to ever develop a game
And now! Back with Ancient Aliens! Ancient Astronauts have always said this pile of poop here looked like the head of an alien! So it shall must be! Amen!
Steam needs a "filter by Russian developer" setting
Filter by "genocide supporters"
The game isn't on steam, but agreed
@@jakospades7184 atomic heart is.
@@thefinalboss2403thats racist, besides ukraine is doing the genocide
Ironic cause all US studios would have their own "filter by US developers" or "Genocide Supporters"
Fish reporter: "Why did you decide to sell a 250 dollar expansion pack to your game?"
Tarkov develo......I mean Mr Krabs: "Money!"
I have zero interest whatsoever of playing a PVP shooter rife with hackers. However, I'd gladly pay $25 for a PVE version that I can play solo. You are spot on.
I would say for the most part this is the best video of laying out what happened though it does feel like a disservice with you leaving out the most recent Reddit post from BSG going over what is changing for each edition but I’ll give benefit of doubt that you recorded this and uploaded before that happened. I really appreciate your take on this and giving great opinions on this vs a lot of the other content creators like Onepeg that just milked this drama or Noiceguy that just cried and changed his name over this. I would disagree on the DLC though as when I got EOD when anything was mentioned about DLC it was always talking about stuff after the release of the game and talked about the scav life dlc as the example of what to expect. I wouldn’t consider the PvE mode a dlc and would consider it something else as it doesn’t add anything to the base game like a normal DLC would so I can understand where BSG was coming from in not originally adding access to this mode to EOD. I also don’t understand why everyone is calling stuff out as pay to win as I don’t see anything that gives you an advantage over other players in fight. Sure you can pay extra to start with some bonus gear at the start of the wipe but if your shit at this game your just gonna loose that gear to a better player, doesn’t really change the outcome. If you’re already a veteran player and start the wipe with that gear I could see an argument that it also you to snowball your progress faster but at the same time a veteran player would have already been doing that and having some starting gear isn’t going to change that.
Was waiting for you take on this. I guess killing the golden goose is like the fashionable dev thing to do these days.
This is a total slap in the face to the players. I had been thinking of giving Tarkov a try, but not any more. If I was a player, I'd have uninstalled and never look back.
At 9:43 I instantly thought of OJ saying “Hello Twitter world!”
It gets worse. They just added more pay 2 win. EoD owners can now summon a personal tank out of thin air! Game is pure garbage.
lol on the bright side, they won’t have to worry about server capacity soon!
Tarkov is like that good friend you used to be cool with but then they started doing meth and all you can do is watch them wither away slowly.
The cherry on top of course is the addition of all of the new p2w garbage that only serves to dumb down your once hardcore mil-sim experience. So they've really fucked their game from all sides.
I know you are 'late' but your coverage of this stuff is what i'm waiting for! Please keep up the great job
100% spot on that no studio gets to single-handedly redefine what a clear industry standard like "DLC" means. Watch carefully in the next few years as Star Citizen tries to pull the same trick and redefine what "Commercial Release" means. Love the game, as you can tell from my name, but I see this same exact situation happening in the near future.
That's so crazy that after all this time I just realized. You can mod ARMA 3 to basically play this game for free whenever you want and not only that, but you can set your own rules, assets, etc etc.
Yah that Gray zone game really got a good launch time put right in their lap. I've seen lots of people playing it and having fun as a tarkov alternative.
I don't know how these gaming CEO's get their jobs when it's obvious the only thought their tiny brains can have is "MONEH-MONEEYYY!" 😂
Because the people that appoint the CEO also think like that
@@Zantonny I was gonna say this. If they're good at separating people from their cash they pretty much got the gig.
The people on corporate path burn every company under them while churning out temporary profits that leave the companies destroyed in their wake. But they're not judged on the overall life of a company, only on their time they spent their. They can just claim the person who came after them are the reason it's so messed up even though they're the factual reason it's that way. Just like Presidents and Prime Ministers do in the USA and Canada
Like when some insane people tried to blame Biden for there being children in ICE camps when it was because of Trump they got there in the first place. Or people blaming Trudeau for building the oil pipe line when Harper is the person who signed the deal and would have cost billions to break the contract.
They're raised and educated with the idea that the only metric is profit.
That's the culture that's got to change. Money is important but it's not the only thing.
For that exact reason. They see consumers as percentages and quotas, not people.
I dont regret spending time with my friends in this game. I regret giving BGS the money.
BYE FELICIA!!!
I feel like I dodged a bullet from not getting into the game at the suggestion of a coworker.
There was a famous Roman legal scholar who described fraud along the lines of "to present one thing but to do another"
Which is a bit more wide than the legal definition, but I believe it to be closer to the common persons definition.
I'd expect to get a hand made custom knife with a super steel like Elmax or MagnaCut with that edition
The fact that EOD holders were given access to Arena (a totally separate executable in the BSG launcher) but not this is insanity.
$150 when a lot of people bought EOD in 2017, would be $190 today.
"We're sorry that you're disappointed and stupid, and we pledge to do better with dismissing your concerns in the future."
Friendos 10/10
Always friendos, all the time.
I won't even spend the $50 to buy the base game
If they promised all future DLC with the 110$ version and they backpedaled with technicalities, what makes you think they won' to the same with this new 250$ edition? This guys cannot be trusted anymore.
I feel players got what they paid for. You support pay-to-win and defend it, expect even more pay-to-win. This is why you don’t support pay-to-win.
They're russian, of course they dont care about the consumers, only the money. I've never known any russian gaming developer or publisher ever be known for looking after its audience
Of course, all respectable Russian developers will say that they are cypriots to you😒
ah, yes. this news..
*turns on S.T.A.L.K.E.R escape from pripyat*
250$ saved!
The cost of the PVE mode is because it's one of the main pay-to-win elements. Progress in gearing and rep are passed from the PVE to PVP. It allows whales to get kit and rep safely, then enter PVP ready to win.
Angry rant on point👌. Greed in the game industry is wild at the minute. I think we’re about to witness gamings “eat the rich” moment.
I bought the EOD edition in 2017 not for an advantage but because I wanted to support the game. Then they slowly started to cater to streamers and did not address the massive cheating problem. On top of that expect me to drop 250 dollars for pve mode after being promised all future dlc. Nah man, I'm good.
BYE FELICIA!!!
One of the biggest red flags in any game is when they sell pay-to-win before the game is released.
This was such a huge fumble for these devs. I feel for the Tarkov playerbase looking for new homes.
There are cheaper collector's edition game bundles, with statues, art books, and all sort of goods inside, that cost less than this.
Fun fact: The "unique" knife is a store-bought asset. They're half-assing the contents they're giving to the $250 buyers.
"While UA-cam offers a number of different webforms to address legal complaints related to trademark, counterfeit, privacy, defamation, copyright and circumvention of technological measures, you may use this 'Other legal' webform to report claims based on country-specific laws. For example, you may use this webform to report content that potentially violates country-specific laws on anti-terrorism, obscenity and hate speech." Interesting.
Clash Royale did something similar in 2023 with ramping up P2W. Similar circumstances too, everyone knew scumminess was a long time coming and there isn't anything similar on the market. The community expectedly went ballistic and the game's revenue has taken a huge hit since and it's making much less.
The EoD thing I see differently. The EoD should have been gone after a couple months. It was a special limited edition for early supporters. That's also where they shit on themselves. If like 1% of customers had EoD, they would still make money selling DLC. Most serious players have it now and nobody would have to pay for any DLC that is ever released. So BSG wouldn't be able to make money selling stuff.
Bought the EOD at a severe discount when COVID happened. They were doing a special that was 50% off. I'm glad I did that. Sadly, the devs don't deserve this game. Thanks for killing the game.
i quit a few months ago, after 7.2k hours, grew sick of the cheating epidemic, now after this i have no intention of returning, or supporting them in future
BYE FELICIA!!!
Interestingly, Gray Zone Warfare went on early access yesterday... And the cycle continues...