Hunter Avallonê DESTROYS John Doyle With Facts, Logic, Reason, Etc. (DEBATE REVIEW)
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his arguments are all literally "you've failed to consider blacks and females are inferior" but in slightly different wording
That’s all it is. That’s the extent to which he argues. It’s textbook motivated reasoning.
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oh yea and gays. forgot about gays, too
purrfect comment lol
Me, knowing my entire discipline of astrospace was effectively charted by a single Madwoman on fucking punchcards, like she was trying to get to the moon the same way I try to get a free fucking subway sandwich: I will take diversity over homogeneity in any industry on any day.
I laughed audibly when Doyle said “it’s always facts and data with them” in a dismissive tone. Yes, you got us. We care about facts.
Great argument doyle, you just said your opponents have facts and data backing up their points, you are so smart!
in a couple of months they will say reality is cringe. it WILL be like that. back in 2016 they said they have facts on their side. now it turns out they dont and they just make fun of the concept of proving your point. soon they will just say acknowledging reality is cringe. mark my words.
"Yeah yeah you've got all the facts on your side but have you considered my feefees?"
- Jonathan Doily
Aristotle said that you can make an argument in three basic ways: 1) Appeals to facts, 2) Appeals to emotion and 3) Appeals to authority. "Of the three, appeals to authority is the weakest," comments Thomas Aquinas. What John Doyle was pointing out was that Hunter never gave his own analysis, or arrived at his own conclusions. His tactic was to cite the (biased) studies of think tanks that get money to arrive at the conclusions they do, and he wanted Doyle to accept these organizations as "authorities". Because his entire argument relied on "appeals to authority," Doyle (correctly) pointed out how weak Hunter's debating skills were. He didn't seem to have the capacity to think for himself, or make his own arguments. His entire tactic was saying, "Look at this study from a think tank with a conflict of interest. Believe them! They're smart." (I myself was embarrassed. listening to Hunter's childish, aggressive and cry-bullyish tactics.)
@@classicalethics2053 This is the dumbest thing that tried to sound smart I have ever read. People don't trust "authority" just because they say it. It's because they present verifiable data that reaches a conclusion giving you the answer.
So let me get this straight… Soyle wants them both to have 15+ minute turns to talk… while the debate only had like 30 minutes left in the time slot… seems like unadulterated cowardice to me.
Yeah I think he fully intended to ramble for the entire time and then just run away before any response.
Dude doesn't know and doesn't care about how a debate is supposed to work.
I completely believe they made up the time limit, lol. After the mod got called out it FELT like they realized things weren't going well. I wouldn't be surprised if they actively refuse to platform Hunter again after how hard he called out both of them.
And remember he ambushed into the debate and then asked for a cordial 15 minute monologue each
That to me signals weakness, if there is one common trait I've noticed about the far right it's that for all their focus and obsession over what is strength and what is weak they themselves continuously signal their own weakness, they are always exposed.
John Doyle literally admitting by accident that his ideology is all feelings instead of facts in the first 4 minutes was pretty good.
That’s how unfathomably stupid John, and his ilk are.
Facts is not the goal of this guy. Strength and order is the primary mover.
@@ryanosterman2651 the goal is to better society.
If all evidence points toward a certain policy or way of thinking, that is what we should do.
The difficulty is finding the evidence. Sources can be biased or completely wrong. Thus, the only way to reach the truth is to not trust anything, not even your won ideas. That is called critical thinking.
When you are proven wrong, you do not argue against truth itself, but proportion your beliefs to the evidence. Doing so is called rationalism or science. Not doing it is ignorance.
The entire fash mindset can be encapsulated in "Murder the Outgroup the distract myself that I'm a Powerbottom who wants a black Jewish trans Dommy Mommy to excavate my boihole"
@NYX he's a nazi, they don't operate off reason... did you think that the first reply was saying that it was good thing? they're just describing doyle's belief systems
Honestly, as a gay man I hear homophobes like John Doyle talk more about gay sex than I myself have thought about it.
Lmao yup
I’m straight, and as soon as I heard that I was like NOT JUST THE GAYS 😁
I thought about gay sex too a lot before I came out.
I've said this before but he thinks about sex about as much as an addict would. Like in almost every topic he somehow always goes to talking about "sexual degeneracy" i guess nofap isn't doing him any favors
Funny how they cant seem to think about anything else. Almost seems like they look up very certain stuff on certain mature content sites 👀
Hunter was literally ambushed on a show with a hostile moderator and STILL performed like a Chad. So embarrassing for Doyle
That debate was almost like a metaphor for how the Ukraine war is going for Russia (Doyle being Russia in this scenario of course)
Crowder could never
the sad part is that all his fans and he himself still think he won.
@@kikasse220 Crowder admitted he was afraid of Sam Seder right then and there.
Chads don't yell, cry and interrupt.Insecure people do.
John: gish gallops and talks nonstop
Hunter: "I'd like to get a point in please"
*(10 minutes argument on wether or not to have a good faith debate)*
Hunter: *finally gets a single point in*
Totally not biased mod: "okay guys we gotta wrap this up, we're running out of time"
Edit: not to mention the mod just straight up lying about Hunter not wanting to debate Doyle as an excuse for why Doyle gets to talk for 10 minutes straight
John didn't come to the debate to talk but to preach.
Worse, Doyle mostly talked jibberish and had maybe 30 seconds of substance out of his five minute rambling, nonsensical diatribe.
The worst part is, you know Doyle think he won this debate.
The worst part it his followers will believe him regardless
@@Almost_a_hero Yep. Also love the pfp lmao
CORRECTION: Doyle has FANS that believe he won this debate.
I think that’s worse imo
@@Bmanritchie From what I heard even his fans think Hunter won. I've seen self-proclaimed fans of his saying that in the comments of Hunter's video, and this subreddit also echoed that sentiment.
@@CommanderLex - Yet will Doyle’s subcount dwindle? I’m betting it won’t in the long run.
Honestly hoping he goes mask off enough so TOS comes for his accounts hard.
Let's all take a moment to appreciate John Doyle giving us this gem of a debate. Thank you, John. Thank you for never learning from your mistakes or bettering yourself.
Bettering yourself is gay. - John Soyle (probably)
Seeing hunter having all his arguments dismantled was very entertaining yes
@@realworld9607 you might want to contact someone to get prescription glasses then cause what you described wasn't seen by anyone with properly functioning retenas.
@@MaliciousMoxy soy
@@realworld9607 "Uggabugga Doyle win, uggabugga Hunter lose"
*immediately runs away*
John saying "they play their studies like Pokemon cards" to dismiss the validity of studies (somehow) and then citing a study wrong... like it was some sorta of top tier pokemon card... is some classic buffoonery.
I liked when he briefly pretended to not know the name of Pixar's Inside Out despite the fact that there's absolutely no way he would have made that (obviously prepared) reference unless he was relatively familiar with it.
It was hilarious and Hunter made that analogy stick because he didn’t have a fucking clue what the study he was using actually said and just read the headline.
John is just bringing fake Pokemon cards to the schoolyard and claiming he got them from his dad who works at Gamefreak
i honestly had to pause, i was so embarassed for doyle
He knew what EX cards were too so maybe the Marvel and Pokémon thing was just projection
For a guy to have never been in the military John acts as if he knows the ins and out.
Being a vet, I have a strong distain for these type of "Military go shoot stuff/Defend the country" types
Same
Seriously any clown who dismisses support troops as "a jobs project" has never talked to the combat troops who depend upon that support. Sure they they are aren't there to there to hold or move the line but that that doesn't mean that the line doesn't move over them or they don't have to go through those lines which absolutely cannot be held or moved forward without their support.
Hell I'd argue that a lack of Support troops in the form of civil engineering squadrons and an over reliance of fly by-night contractors instead is one the largest factors in the operations in Iraq and Afghanistan going south the way they did. Of course what do I know? I'm just a veteran of OIF.
What are your thoughts on him saying groupthink is good in the military?
@@Terminalsanity you would think people would realize this given the Russian complete logistical failure in Ukraine
@@pogo8050 but more guns means more safety! It’s the American way!
/s, but not about the American way part lol. We’ve got a serious gun/military fetishization problem
All things being equal this was actually one of Hunters' better Debates and it was after being completely ambushed AND stuck under an obviously biased moderator.
I will never tire of hearing John Doyle, who seems to exclusively debated with himself in his own room, begin to realize that he does not, in fact, have the best arguments.
Soyle is definitely the best debator in soyle's room.
@Fundamentally Unorothdox Fascists actually can't muster enough neural activity naturally to form thoughts, so it's just literally one braincell forming a perfect spherical loop - we call that a perpetual moron machine.
John Doyle destroyed Hunter in this debate....
....Two hours later in the shower by himself.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 John Doyle destroyed his boyhole in the shower thinking about how Daddy Avalone humiliated him in public. He hates that he loves it.
To be fair, "Heck off, cCommie!" is a pretty decent argument.
You have no idea the level of salt that was in John Doyle's community. One person even said john came in unprepared and hunter came in super prepared and malded about how it would inflate Hunter's ego.
lmaoooo and it was doyle who prepared a whole dialogue tree 💀
that would be an incredible feat on both sides considering it was *Doyle* who ambushed Hunter lol
Alan Turing didn't just win us the war, he invented computing. The theoretical turing machine he came up with is exactly the model of every computational thing we've done.
In short, computers are gay. And that's a good thing.
I missed the word "just" on my first reading and was about to start a fucking fight here lmao
@@queueue_ That would have been... unjust.
@@FelisImpurrator 👏👏👏
Zuse was there first, so no, he didn't quite invent it, but his contribution to the concept were huge.
Fuck, Hunter was really on his game despite getting ambushed. He didn't fall for the posturing or the emotive baiting, he had the right response and JUST the right amount of disrespect and dismissal to effectively counter Doyle's incoherent feelings-based projections.
“Good evening ladies and gentlemen, we are tonight’s entertainment!”
“People like Hunter you know, it’s not a coincidence that they are obsessed with things like the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”
😐
Obviously DC movies are documentaries bro
"this corporate media franchise is correct because I identify with it!"
But that’s DC so it’s completely different. /s
It's funny how conservatives claim they praise DC movies for not being woke but they actually hate The Batman for being woke.
@@madsceptictrooper6803 DC movies are way behind on Marvels story wise they haven't had the opportunity to introduce "woke" characters or storylines I'm certain given enough time DC would put out characters like John Constantine or Show HarleyQuinn is bisexual or address the fact that Superman is an illegal immigrant who still vales america
John Doyle's existence will never not be funny
neither will his face
He makes me sad; he's clearly not an idiot, he just got brainwashed and turned into a monster by the right. Such a waste
@@rumncoke76 I'm gonna have to disagree with you. He straight up can't connect ideas to each other. He just talks fast and condescendingly.
Totally agree. He's so entertaining without even trying to be. Dude needs therapy lol
@@rumncoke76 hes definitely an idiot imo, it is sad though
“Groupthink is good” -John Doyle, 2022
He also says George Orwell agrees with him.
Based pfp
It's almost like they can't read
@@lastburning Groupthink doesn't literally mean talking in groups lmao
@@JustJack6719 pretty sure doyle thinks 1984 was a book about a utopian society
2 years ago John was just a cheap Steven Crowder. Now he's literally just a fascist. No arguing just a fascist
So Steve crowder is not a fascist?
@@r.i.pmydog7723 I kept it vague on purpose. Its up to you who's more racist.
Pretty sure he’s a theocratic fascist too. Kinda lame, think this Doyle guy might not be cool
@@aguyithink4119
Chrlstlans should all be (Minecrafted). The world becomes a utopia instantly without them.
@@millykendrill5301 you wanna kill Christian’s?
Love how John tries to strawman Hunter as an MCU soyboy but joined the stream with a quote from a Superhero movie. Very consumerist of you John
I'm trying to work out if he's just delusional, or if he's so far right that he considers Dave Rubin and Tim Pool on par with Hunter because they're the only ones that I've heard constantly use stupid Marvel references in a serious way.
@@taranullius9221 I genuinely have no idea since I don’t think I’ve ever heard hunter even reference marvel before in any of his content. That was a bizarre moment even for Doyle
John Doyle was bullied a lot, but not enough
Lmaoooo
It’s never too late to make up for lost time. 😌
Maybe it was the bullying that made him that way
@@r.i.pmydog7723 thats what i mean. I have pity for him but if this is how he wants to live he's gonna be treated like a lolcow and he deserves it
@@r.i.pmydog7723 I’m almost certain I was bullied more than him and I didn’t turn into a fascist. He’s just weak. Weak morally, weak intellectually and weak of will.
Wow, who would’ve thought John Doyle surpasses people like Jordan Petersan in terms of saying a whole lot without actually making a coherent point.
The right are evolving in their shit spitting.
Idk man I think Jordan is one of the goats in that regard but Doyle certainly has a talent for it himself
JP has a coherent point, and it is always women should stay in their place or society breaks
@@devforfun5618 That isn’t really a coherent point tho.
This ain’t the handmaid’s tale.
@@devforfun5618 Keep on repeating stupid sh!t, it will never prove it.
Quotes a DC movie
(2 mins later)
"The left likes Marvel superhero movies and they're dumb"
Do you ever think John feels bad about intellectually peaking at high school?
Bold of you to assume John has realized that.
@@CaptainWoggy you're right, how presumptuous of me...
@@whatsallthebrouhaha right at the beginning when he says "Good evening everyone..."
He was quoting the Joker from the Dark Knight
@@ismeal231 that actually made me cringe so hard. Hunter was trying to be chill and normal, but here comes John with the Joker quote he’d clearly been practicing for a minute beforehand. Idk how anyone can actually look at Soyle and see someone worth hearing out, the dude’s an overgrown middle school edgelord
He's just sneaky with it. The Joker is DC. Marvel is for the soys or something
Doyle is aggressively and intentionally unintelligent. It pains me that ANYONE thinks he has anything of value to say.
You're right about intentionally. I think Hunter himself almost talked like this when he was on the right. It seems to be a symptom of conservatism as much as a product of a personal lack of intelligence.
He's funny af tho
I can't believe there are people who take Doyle and his worldview seriously. He literally simps over Gaston.
Then again, there are people who take Mr. Enter seriously after all of stupidity he has said.
"What a cuck, using studies and data! Real men just use their gut feelings in debates!"
@@madsceptictrooper6803 Lol I haven’t heard from Enter in years. What did he say?
The story of Alan Turing is actually an excellent example for how self defeating nazism is. The nazis had access to one of the most advanced forms of encryption available at the time, The Enigma. But since they were incredibly arrogant they didn't realize that repetition and patterns gives your enemies a key to cracking your codes.
When Alan Turing first created his machine, it was incapable of sorting through all of Enigmas possible combinations before the day was over and they had a new combination to worry about instead. But one team member realized that every day, at the same time, the germans sent out a weather report. The weather report would be guaranteed to include three words: "weather", "heil" and "Hitler". Having Turings machine search for a combination that created those two words shortened the processing time by an incredible amount. And by doing that they got access to more messages which let them find more recurring words which could fine tune the machine even more. England spent the entire rest of the war listening to every word the nazis sent out.
Alan Turing was a genius for creating the machine. But the arrogance of the nazis is what really made it work.
Well said.
And if he lived among Nazis trying to crack the enemy code, they would have killed him and never cracked it.
Holy shit, they tried to ambush him and Hunter absolutely bodied him and the moderator.
John Doyle has that Fuentes sickness where he just aggressively accuses everyone else of what he is.
Thats literally the nazi MO. Projection
Projection. It's the tell tale sign of every conservative.
Anti-American? Wants to overthrow democracy and trample the Constitution.
The real racist? Absolutely terrified of high melanin content.
Groomer? Need I say more?
@azimuth I mean, he literally did a fucking Fuentes voice in the beginning lmao
To be fair that's a pretty across the board conservative tactic.
I've heard it's an actual political strategy from Goebbels - "always accuse the enemy of that which you yourself are doing" or something.
Hunter Avallone is such a great redemption story
He legit looks so much happier now as a lefty.
Agree
The best and only true redemption arc for an internet conservative.
for real, I'm genuinely proud of him.
Hunter is ascending the debate ladder, and it's amazing to see.
He's underrated. He would blow most people out of the water in a hippie dippie
@@bananian Soon he will face Vaush, and the student shall become tha masta.
It’s because he came from the alt/far right. He knows the nuances of the arguments and the mindsets if the people making them, thus can easily brush them aside
@@4thzone697
There are no 'nuances' of the Chrlstlan conservative Right. They are the way they are because they are legitimately horrible people. They know damn well that they stand for whlte-supremacy, misogyny, and cisheteronormativity. We shouldn't be 'debating' these peopIe. We should be (Minecrafting) these peopIe. And I fucking mean it.
@@ariandynas so hunter will lose his limbs and burn to a crisp?
I can never not be proud of Hunter Avalone. He's such a good dude and he always works hard on better both himself, his community, AND his arguments. It just makes me happy to see his progress and transformation. Keep it up, Hunter!
Seconded! I am really impressed by how he's grown and matured as a thinker and a emotion being.
I went back through my comment history and deleted every uncharitable comment I've ever made about him--there were only a handful---because it's important to let bygones be bygones when someone has visibly evolved. Regrettably, I don't see myself doing the same for John Doyle, nor any of his right-wing colleagues.
@@dinosaysrawr honestly, I've gotta tip my hat to you as well. Most people wouldn't even bother with something like that. It's a great sign of your character that, upon realizing you've been unduly harsh in the past, you went back to change or delete those comments. Seriously, great work! You too are working hard at being a decent person and seeing this back to back with this new thing from Hunter just warms my greasy little heart!
The debate actually got me too go subscribe to Hunter which I hadn't done yet. If anybody else was moved by Hunters overpowering ass kicking of John Doyle here, today, name sure to go subscribe to Hunter, himself.
I'm watching a video titled *"I'm not defending slavery!" - Says Christian Defending Slavery* on his channel that's is just as good as.the one we just watched (sans the Doyle, of course). His channel is.full of high quality content like this!
Hunter is lucky he switched sides when he did, because honestly, I'd generally prefer to straight-up see Rightwingers and Chrlstlans get fucklng (Minecrafted) than 'convert'. I don't forgive and I don't give chances, and neither should any of you.
Tbh hunters move from the right moved me to the left with him and I can't be grateful enough for that.
@@TheDiabeticGameMaster , thank you! Part of it was motivated by my basic desire to be as charitable, accurate, and fair as I can muster; part was not wanting to be cancelled, called out, or criticized for hot takes that obviously no longer stand and that I no longer stand by; and part of it was not wanting to contribute needlessly to the general phenomenon of people never getting to rise above their online history (including the stuff people said about them).
As someone who was in the military, unlike Larp Doyle, here is the thing about diversity: Hunter has it wrong and Doyle has it worse, it’s NOT about “the minority perspective” because a gay or black experience doesn’t aid in innovation. What it is, is that we don’t want to deny the potential of our military based on discrimination. Look at it like this, imagine you have a super genius in communications, but our military didn’t allow Mexican descendants, well now they don’t get that super genius. Yes all the things Hunter brought up are cool, but it’s not about ENCOURAGING anything but NOT DISCOURAGING the best of the best. As we never know what package that person/people come in.
That's actually a good point. Alan Turing for example helped massively in WWII. Something he wouldn't have if he was discouraged from aiding the war in the first place because of his homosexuality.
100%. Great comment
TBH look at militaries that actively discourage diversity, they don't seem to do too well with things like PTSD and adapting to changing circumstances.
The only good thing about potentially only allowing cishet whlte men into the military is that it would result in only cishet whlte male casualties. Tbh, POC and LGBTQ people have far more value to our lives to be wasting it on defending this piece of shlt Western country.
Similar point: Einstein was a German born Jew.
"It's not that gay people can do what straight people can't.. besides dress themselves." That caught me entirely off guard lmao.
I don't get that dig. Stereotypically gay men are the ones who know fashion, while straight men stereotypically just wear whatever is closest when getting dressed.
@@OneEyeShadow You just explained it lol
Doyle ambushed Hunter here with a prepared speech and talking points and still lost so badly even when Hunter had no research or preparation. Jesus Sam Seder made too many UA-camrs think everyone is afraid of them when in that instance Crowder was actually legitimately afraid to speak or see Sam Seder. Pulling a Sam Seder doesn’t work when your opponent isn’t afraid and could beat a prepared you literally off the top of the head with no notes or data. Jesus Hunter go easy on Doyle
Pulling a Sam Seder only works if your opponent already knows that any debate against you is a total loss and needs to be avoided. Hunter hasn't been dodging Doyle for 2 years. It also helps if you've got Seder's ability to act in the moment. Honestly Crowder running is better for him than getting dissected by Sam.
@@Eyclonus I guess it’s also only okay to pull a Sam Seder when you’re a conservative
@@TheTravis780 I mean, considering how easy conservative talking points are to disprove and argue against, the tactic does really only work for the left. Everyone on the left should be able to argue against Doyle blindfolded and without any preparations, not because we’re all geniuses but because it’s just that easy
@@Eyclonus Crowder’s problem was that he talked for a few minutes and in those minutes he admitted he was screening Sam’s show to make sure Ethan wouldn’t do exactly what he did. Crowder also had gun holsters and a shirt that said fight like hell on. It was just a perfect storm of stupidity on Crowders part. If he had hung up the second he saw Sam it would’ve been better than trying to whine at Ethan and insult Sam with 8 year old insults about his eyes and glasses. Every second Crowder stayed on the call he was making the hole deeper and deeper. That shit made my day when I saw it last year. I saw it at 8 am on my way to work and I was feeling shitty and sick that day but forced myself to go because I get no paid sick days and honestly that made my day so so so so much better. Watching crowder get humiliated is just *touches fingers to lips muwaa
@@Baelor-Breakspear fuck imma have to go watch that again now, it was way too great
14:50
John Doyle is really showing off how little he knows about the military. You would think Russia’s almost complete incompetence at the business of war in their losing fight against Ukraine would demonstrate why 90% of the military not being part of the fighting force may actually be a very good and important thing
“Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics.” - General Omar Bradley
John was sheltered and catered to his entire life, or course he can't fight.
John's never had an AmeriCorps experience and it shows lol
As a vet, Soyle’s take was unbelievably, unfathomably, stupid.
The moment he stated mocking the fact we have as many support troops as combat troops I wanted to slap him upside the head. Militaries live and die by logistics if comm troops can't keep the lines up large scale operations break down resulting friendly fire and an inability to coordinate forces effectively, if supply teams can't keep the food, fuel, and ammo flowing operations come to complete halt if not collapse altogether, without recon, intelligence, and analysts you won't know how to best position and direct your forces.
While the online Left is too busy bickering among each other, doing purity testing and partaking in drama 24/7, Omega Chad Hunter is debating conservatives, fascists, neo-nazis, Christian fundamentalists and butthurt ex-fans on a weekly basis, demolishing it every single time and he has gotten pretty good at it, I'd even say he's now the 3rd best debater in the Left/Liberal sphere. Go give him a follow if you haven't yet, he deserves it, and even tho many would say he's not worthy or "based" enough to be in the highschool club that is the breadtube ingroup, he's doing what the online Left was supposed to be doing.
Who are 1 & 2
@@whatsallthebrouhaha
This was the worst possible answer that could've been given
@@robynreanimates3503 pretty accurate
I think this debate made me finally subscribe to him. Plus he’s a rare left leaning person that doesn’t openly despise and shit talk vaush lol
@@robynreanimates3503 It's only half wrong. Despite the fact that Destiny has lost his mind and is a terrible person, he's still definitely the best debater, after Vaush, of-course, who has outpaced him intellectually.
It's so weird how the phrase "I'm actually the least racist person" really means "I am actually the most racist person"
For some reason white nationalists have been trying to push the idea they arent racist POS.
They get oddly triggered by being called racist after they racist crap. Its rare nowadays if you have a white nationalists who will openly admit that yeah they are racist.
It's kinda funny that John was tryna act like this was a formal debate knowing full well he was brought on to ambush Hunter. Also deferring to collegiate rules after denying the existence of empiricism is full on clown behavior.
Let’s not forget the blatant bias on the mods part.
“Sure, let’s have the fascist rant for 10 minutes and give his opponent a couple of lines before I jump into argue with him. Totally unbiased!”
These people don’t deserve any respect, they’re weasels and cowards to their cores
"We're going to kill every single horse in this goddamn fuck-valley" is easily my new favorite Vaush quote.
Hunter Avallone is talking to a multiverse variant of himself if he continued the SJW rants from back in the day.
SOY
@@wiggledixbubsy98 BOII
I'm glad we got this hunter but does that mean there is a good Doyle?
Wish the TVA pruned that branch.
@@jonathanlayne1754 yeah probably, and a fascist vuash as well
John and the Mod both genuinely thought if they pulled a Sam Seder/Crowder type debate ambush that Hunter would go "oh no, John Doyle what a fucking nightmare" and leave the call so they can pretend john won the debate. They didn't expect Hunter to actually stick around and debate the points
another prove that right wing freaks arent on the same level as leftists and that their ideology isnt based in reality.
I was a little worried right there at the end that Doyle would get his 30 seconds to spew his bile and that Hunter wouldn't.
But he demanded it and then absolutely gutted Doyle and then forced him to eat his own offal.
Absolute masterclass in how to handle these freaks.
Hunter deserves an award for this one.
What I loved about this was the difference between hunter getting surprised by Doyle and crowder shitting his pants at Sam seder
Crowder is afraid of Seder. Hunter is not afraid of John Doyle.
Doyle: "Give me examples of diversity being beneficial..... in WW2"
Hunter: Offers Alan fucking Turing as an example. Which might be the easiest debate winning layup I've ever seen, but then adds more examples simply because he can and it isn't difficult.
Doyle" "Well I'm not familiar with the evidence Hunter provided."
You really can never change these people. Guy makes a living talking about fascist nonsense, while using the tech that exists because Turing pioneered the field during the war that he worships and LARPS over, but can't get the idea of anal sex out of mind long enough to realize how badly he just got wrecked.
Also "I'm not familiar with the evidence provided" is such a fucking self-own given how hard Doyle clearly fetishizes WW2. Dude doesn't even know shit about the war he's based his entire fucking aesthetic on.
Also 3 million indians fought for the allies.
And the chinese.
It's incredible how Turing managed to invent computer science while constantly dealing with thoughts about anal sex. This is definitive proof that gay people are smarter.
John Doyle: Women don't want to date me so OBVIOUSLY they are less rational.
He just straight up admitted he thinks they’re less rational… and he thought it was a good point…
reminder that this is the guy who diagnosed a fictional disney character with npd for having her own aspirations and interests
After learning about John Doyle, I feel I owe Dave Rubin an apology.
Wash your mouth out with soap this minute.
Fuck, I really wanted Vaush to be the one to kick Doyle's anti-intellectual rhetorical teeth in, but Hunter didn't leave much alive to even bother with. BTFO'd to FUBAR.
He really fucking demolished them. Seriously hats off to Hunter.
Love that Doyle said Hunter lives in a bubble when not even 10 minutes before that he literally says "group-think is good." lmao
Doyle: [Enters chat with a Batman reference]
Doyle mere seconds later: 'The problem with this cringelord is he thinks of everything's as a comic book movie.'
"Groupthink is good" - literally the contrary to everything written about groupthink
I'm so unbelievably proud of Hunter.
To paraphrase someone in the comments under Hunter’s video: to Seder is to ambush someone in a debate, and they shit their pants. To Doyle is to ambush someone in a debate, and you shit your pants.
But wait, why would you shit your pants? Because of laughter from him being incompetent or die to fear?
What is it with alt-rightets lately and refusing to accept studies of any kind? I was watching the Rose Wrist vs Nazis debate last night (late to the party, I know) and they also were leaning super hard on this line of argumentation. I know this isn't anything new, but am I the only one who feels like they've been using it way more as of late?
Fascism is inherently anti-intellectual. It's a completely incoherent ideology, so it requires double think to believe in it.
they think all studies are made up by the jews, just like with every scientific field, theyve just been more mask off lately so its more noticeable now
I mean they've hit a wall. All plausible deniability is out of the picture, and only the least ethical and most ignorant are still pretending they have a point.
It's wierd how they exist in such early dunning Kruger perpetually
Because a major feature of fascism is intuitive morality and anti-intellectualism. The further right you go the more ready you are to dismiss any academic or scholarly evidence because it's easier to stoke hate against minorities when you encourage your audience to dismiss the idea of critical thinking. If you listen to evidence then you wouldn't be a fascist in the first place.
They’ve always done this. Anti-intellectualism is a feature in all fascist regimes. Nazis call academia Jewish, conservatives call it cultural Marxism, Tankies call it western imperialist propaganda. They’re all the same.
Has Doyle ever won a debate?
If so, how? 😂
That Kindergarten class never knew what hit ‘em
@@felicitys3621 and when they tried to tell their teacher about it, Doyle labeled the teacher a groomer and had them put in the gulag
Doyle has a perfect record against his shampoo bottles.
@@screamingphoenix8113 until his mom found out
He would be able to win against me because I would call him insane and just leave. Dudes the definition of bad faith and incompetent.
Ok I was a Christian closeted homophobe when I was younger; MY GOD John Doyle gives off the exact same energy.
Now, I’ve only watched 6 minutes, but the way McPoyle argues, it feels like he’s shadow boxing a strawman he constructed while talking solely to his chat instead of his interlocutor. And he’s losing to the strawman. It feels like art, honestly.
This is what happens when you only argue in your head against strawmen. Soyle bodied himself before the debate even began
Aw man. He does look like a member of that clan.
It's like any number of old cartoon gags where a drunk or moronic character fights one of those inflatable clowns and gets their ass kicked
with the "rationality" number he threw out from that book, he said the difference was 0.79% which is less than a percent difference. WELL within the margin of error for any study, let alone a small sociological one.
And even if that turned out to be accurate, are we really gonna exclude half the population from the military for half a percentage less of “rationality” however that book defined it? Seems like an overreaction to something no one would ever notice on their own
The reason he keeps going back to Africa is because his only view of history is might makes right. So that's all he can do. As an American he can't perceive the rise and fall of civilisations, like Rome owning most of Britain, then the British empire conquering much of the world... Its just an unbroken line of events that lead to the US.
End of history BS, they have to believe in it or else they’re forced to admit this isn’t nearly the best we can do as a species
Funny doyles soy butt would get creamed in a outright fight without a gun.
If we really applied might makes right he would be a slave to a crap ton of people.
Plus racism.
John "feelings not facts" Doyle ambushes Hunter with his fan fic about real life.
i just audibly cackled at that
It's hilarious how Doyle was so upset he didn't get the last word in.
I was shocked when he accepted going first in the closing statements. Lol like WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?! DID YOU THINK HE WAS GOING TO NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY?? 😂 Maybe he was banking on his friend, I mean moderator, to cut the debate right after his statement. Haha
Anyone else find it ironic John Doyle says Hunter Avalone didn't leave 2016 when he himself is yet to leave the 1960s?
That John Doyle guy seems to be all about fee-fees, not facts and logic, as he infers in his opening statement.
Holy shit Doyle doesn't know what critical thinking means. I don't even think he knows what critical means.
Never mind thinking.
@@rainbowkrampus "The concept of thought is commie propaganda" John "Groupthink is Good" Doyle
This is the worst pwnage I have ever seen in a debate. John did not win a single point and looked like a clown for the entire time.
Soyle’s a nazi so it’s not surprising he’s a clown
John: dismisses real studies and pretends they're all fake
also John: cites one (1) study and a book
And then when Hunter dismisses his one (1) study he tries to sidestep his criticism by bringing up that he mispronounced the author's name. 😂
and pretends he doesnt know alan turing.
Hunter made John look so pathetic
To be fair, Hunter didn't need to be there to demonstrate that...
God. This debate was such a shitshow for Doyle. The reason why it worked for Crowder, it's because he was ACTIVELY avoiding any debate with Sam.
Thus doesn't work because Hunter wanted to debate Doyle, just not with whoever loser moderator that was overlooking the debate. Honestly, this backfired for both Doyle and the moderator.
The problem is that they don't understand what made a thing good. They lack the understanding to see why Seder worked and why it won't work for them.
"IM RATIONAL!" Dohn Joyle screeches, a gun hanging on the wall behind him next to a flag and a sign emblazoned with the words "Heck off, Commie!"
"Vaush watches 2 people argue while killing every horse in existence"
Johnny boy isn’t willing to admit that it is HE who never left 2016 whereas Hunter is a completely different guy who tries his best despite his former right wing beliefs. It’s P-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-o-n time COME ON!! Part yrock ersintheh ousetonight
It's Party Rock is in the house.
@@Spyno41 thanks bro I hadn’t realised 😳😤🥴🤯
I dunno. The MAGA hat did indeed come off.
Tell me John Doyle hasnt spent a second in the military without telling me.
The military doesn't accept 12 year old boys?
Doyle went from being a bog standard MAGA to Great Value Nick Fuentes
Hunter just muting the mod is such a powermove.
Tge concept of McPoyle hopping on Hunter's stream unannounced, declaring they were now having a debate, and that Hunter must now let him talk uninterrupted for 10 minutes is the funniest thing in the world. Hunter honestly could have mocked the entire concept a bit more.
McPoyle lmao, nice
Don't dare disgrace the McPoyle family like that ever again. Lol
it's like the master watching his student show out GO HUNTER
I’m a Computer Science major and the influence of Alan Turing can’t be understated. He is one of the early pioneers of computing technology.
I'm putting Ada Lovelace in there as well and all the women whose job it was to program them and decode at Bletchley who were then forced out of the workplace post-war after being friggin' computer programmers and sophisticated mathematicians BACK IN THE KTICHEN FOR YOU. But, white straight men's supremacy is just self-evident obviously.
I feel certain you mean 'cannot be 'overstated'', right? Assuming so, I agree with you completely.
From a military perspective it's arguable that he did more to win WW2 than any other single human being on earth. It is utterly CERTAIN that he made possible the destruction of more of the axis war machine than any hundred guys with weapons. The development of the computer and the applied techniques to break encryption are still the most important military developments in all of history. He did not work alone, but those who worked with him are unanimous in their belief that without him NONE of it would have happened. The guy killed more fascists than bullets did, and saved more allied soldiers than penicillin (though thats likely a closer race), and his treatment by our society is a disgrace that can never truly be forgiven.
It was learning about how Turing was treated that finally convinced me that it was not enough just to be tolerant and inclusive in my own actions, but necessary to actively seek out evil people and smash them, a course that has cost me dearly in every single way but one: I have no regrets.
Was John Doyle trying to pull a Sam Seder for the Right and failing miserably?
It was more of a Charlie Zelenoff with a typical ending of both John and Charlie getting their ass beat.
Yeah, except no one is afraid of the 12 year old that imitates the fifties.
What’s pulling a Sam Seder? Isn’t Sam good?
Hunter is debating himself. John is clearly reading a script he wrote before this debate and it doesn't matter what Hunter says, he won't respond to it because he'll just go back to his script.
"I haven't said anything, that makes me unbiased." No, that makes you biased. As the saying goes, "if there are ten people in a room and one says something bigoted and none of the other nine offers pushback then there are ten bigoted people in the room."
Imagine ambushing and then asking for formal debate rules 😂
“Men are more rational than women” and yet here you are, John
Once upon a time, I used to think this guy was a chad example of an intellectual conservative "dunking on those libs" at protests and rallies
holy shit hunter fucking murdered him at the end
its like john tried to do a highway robbery on hunter but john ended up unconscious in the ditch
Big "call an ambulance, but not for me!" energy.
"If we all reacted the same way, we'd be predictable, and there's always more than one way to view a situation. What's true for the group is also true for the individual. It's simple: overspecialize, and you breed in weakness. It's slow death." -Major Motoko Kusanagi (Ghost in the Shell)
One of the quotes I immediately thought of because it's so damn true. Still my favourite movie.
47:11 when vaush finally realizes he can no longer be oppressed by the fascist tyranny of reindeer
I can’t believe I used to watch John Doyle, Jesus Christ I’m glad I got out of there
"I wanted to give you as much of an advantage as possible," Doyle said, ambushing Hunter with an unexpected debate so he had no time to prepare
And still whooped his ass handily.
I've always thought John Doyle was Bizarro Hunter Avallone and now we've come full circle.
I'm glad we're getting French representation in the debate sphere, thank you Hunter Avallonê
His last name is Italian in origin.
@@alaskanbullworm5500 wait really? Neat
Really said the quiet part out loud at the end when he suggested Hunter provides too much statistics and not feelings
Hunter! He's come so far ❤️
Bro literally cited Sun Tzu then proceeded to claim all that shit about european men. Even though sun tzu was post 800 BC
Bold to blindly ridicule your opponent for liking superhero movies and then quote two different DC villains in the first ten minutes.
My God he actually did the joker bit.
Incredible.
NO FUCKING WAY. Ain't no fucking way he drops the joker line in his intro and then calls Hunter a soy MCU fan. My brain is melting and it's only 4 minutes in
Schools need to actually teach in depth about Asian and African history. The amount of people who believe Europeans were the primary drivers of innovation and culture is insane to me.
John Doyle's sister divorced him in this debate
29:50
Vaush: The University of Toronto seems reputable.
University of Toronto: Well, JP did work here so maybe not.
I think we should just make a jobs program of bullying John Doyle constantly. Maybe we could get the military on board?
Might be able to hook him up to some kind of generator and power a small city off of the steam coming out of his ears.
Inculding his stans
@@The_Poro_King his stans are insecure teenagers who already get bullied
I think John Doyle succumbed to the same thing Sargon did where he starts believing his own hype. I remember he did a debate with Actual Jake a few years ago where he actually didn't do that bad and surprisingly showed he wasn't just a propagandist. But this? Trying to play the "Evidence isn't god" card from the get go? Even Sargon was smart enough to not do that.