7 Advantages Of Using A Digital Mixer For Live Sound
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- What are the benefits of using a digital mixer for live sound? Find out in this video.
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Virtual live sound mixing tutorial? Yes, please!
Noted! Thanks, Drew!
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I used to run sound for a small church in the 1980's. Of course, back then all the equipment was analog. Everything you said brought back such memories! I have been watching a lot of audio tutorials lately as a way of refreshing my memories, and perhaps learning something I didn't know. I'm probably older than your father, but I have determined to never stop learning! I enjoy the straightforward, common-sense way you present your lessons. It makes me want to get back into mixing live sound!
I actually started out with analog, and after a few shows, I quickly went digital. I now have the Behringer XR18, which doubles as a stage box. SOOOOOO much more convenient than laying down a 100 ft 24 channel snake. While I do have a smaller channel count than I had with my analog mixer, I have way more capabilities and I haven’t even used them all yet.
Even as a new person in sound engineering, I was taught on an old analog mixer because of its simplicity. The same thing repeated. From there I was shown the power of digital mixers.
Me too!
I remember the first show well over a decade ago I did with a digital board and realized then that analogue mixing was doomed . Seven years later I sold all my live sound equipment , except the two ton truck . I am now fully retired and live in the truck ( just kidding ) . Thank you for keeping me up to date !!
+1 for virtual sound check. Especially recording simultaneously to a live performance/broadcast
I remember the first time I saw someone mixing on a tablet. It was an outdoor show, and it sounded so good! It impressed me so much, that I would even suggest a similar setup in a small bar/club.
I remember when I asked you for digital mixer content
Thanks
Here it is! More to come…
@@AudioUniversity yay
Digital mixers are great for live for all the benefits you mentioned and they are also useful in the studio. A digital mixer can be your multichannel audio interface, digital patchbay and controller for a DAW.
While I don’t have a digital mixing console, I have used my RME audio interface for a few small live shows where I’ve either setup at the side of the stage and used Totalmix Remote for wireless mixing, or used it in conjunction with Ableton to add gates, compressors, reverb delay to basic analog mixers. Very useful
Very cool! I use an RME UCX II in a similar way.
Indeed. I have a TASCAM DM4800 in my studio. I bought it mostly to get rid of patching cables. 42/16 Analog I/O, 36/36 digital I/O and free routing does the job. And it has 32ch DAW interface too.
@@TheUglyGnome it’s amazing how advanced the older digital consoles are and how they are still fully usable to this day. The likes of Tascam, Yamaha and others really made consoles that will last!
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@@MrSRellz Yeah. Talking about this, it seems like Yamaha's old 01V96i has a better performance than the newest DM3 - More faders(16), more channels(32), less latency(0.8mS@96k, DM3:1.3mS@96k) and better expandability (It can be used with ADAT AD/DA's like Behringer ADA8200, which is far cheaper than Dante stageboxes. Still it can be Dantified with an expansion card inserted).
Started with analogue, and I really appreciate learning how to do that. But I'd never go back. Digital is just so much better in nearly every way. Perhaps the only downside is the desk interfaces vary wildly between different manufacturers. Figuring out routing problems on a desk you don't know well is never fun. But once you learn a desk the versatility and repeatability you get is very powerful.
6:43 imagine entering mosh pit with a tablet and mixing from there xd
There are advantages and disadvantages in both the two “worlds”: believe me ☺ ... ... ...
Thanks a lot for you videos💙!!
I am still not sold on those things. Especially when you are the soundguy of a small band not being able to make demands, then you sit in front of a different digital mixer every night and need a lesson first and are always a little unsure about how things work. I hated that so much, if you know the dig console inside out, then perhaps i'd go for it, otherwise, no, i always enjoyed the instant hands on approach instead of the flipping through layers and all that crap, when a feedback happens and instead of just reaching for the eq in a second you first have to find the layer, then perhaps you have all the eq bands on differnt layers again, NO THANKS!
And besides that, yes, the heavy lifting is not fun at all, but the fun of touching real faders, dials and knobs is. I also found that quite a few of the bigger bands out there still have their analog equipment and man, does it sound amazing. No, i will never go for the convenience of the digital, if i have the option of analog.
A hybrid mixing analogue tutorial would be great to get the best of both recording techniques. For example, if you had invested in an analogue mixer (for home recording a live band) what would be the best options to make it as closer to the benefits of a digital mixer rather than buying a new digital mixer.
Great insights always.Thanks you for sharing.
Thank you for continuing to watch my videos! Much appreciated!
Excellent video, thank you!
Still prefer the workflow of a analog consoles. Every function has it's own knob/button/fader. But TBH, digital has so many advantages over analog that I gave my old analog console to a friend over 10 years ago.
Another excellent video. Thanks, Kyle!
Thanks for watching, Gary!
Great video! I would love to see a video on virtual sound check. My big question for VSC - is there a process for making sure that the USB gain and analog gain are matched so that virtual sound check can be reliably mixed?
great content, thank u!
I would have to disagree with saying that having physical knobs is a disadvantage. If you can just reach for the knob, it’s actually better.
Absolutely, your hand is there instantly, no selecting or menu diving.
Yes, please, to virtual sound check.
Great video, Kyle. Thanks. You mentioned the days of old where outboard gear was used. While I feel the new boards are adequate and very versatile, most of their built in effects are weak in comparison to outboard gear. It’s like plugins versus outboard. To me, there’s no comparison to the sonic character outboard gear adds but I guess there’s a trade off for simplicity.
Thanks for watching! The good thing is that you can still connect outboard gear if you want to. You just don’t HAVE to.
Great video man! I agree totally with the advantages of a digital mixer! The additional multichannel recording function is cool! Just one question. If you have an interface is it possible to realize a live mixing situation with your DAW like Logic for example?
You can - it will just depend on what buffer size you’re able to use. The higher the buffer size, the more latency (as you very well know as a drummer). A friend of mine uses the RME Babyface Pro FS for live mixing his band. You can learn more about latency here: ua-cam.com/video/zzM4yk3I8tc/v-deo.htmlsi=9cuqmKtVSjP4MeHa
@@AudioUniversity Thanks for the answer! That's great to know! Actually my buffer size works perfect. I can use the smallest buffer size for recording and editing my drum covers with 10 mics. I'm using a Mac Studio M1 MAX with 32 GB RAM. Never had any problems. On every channel I use Gain, EQ, some Compressor, some limiter, some extra bus with parallel compression and it works pretty fine. I don't have to increase the buffer size while I'm editing or bouncing.
Great stuff. I forget which Mackie 16 channel analog mixer I started on, it worked and that's all I could ask for.
Right now my live sound is going through a Soundcraft Ui16 digital rack mixer. I'm so ready to retire it and get the PreSonus Studio Live III 16R, 24R, or 32R. Reasoning for PreSonus is I'm also using Studio One 6.6 Pro, which is adding in plug-in effects for the Livestream.
To do what I do with analog mixers would overflow my desk, and have a room full of hardware effects, EQ, compressors, limiters. Yeah OK it would be nice to use the physical Manley Vari-Mu and Massive Passive, LA-2A, 1176, 1178, Lexicon 480L. I don't have the space, power outlets, or money for that. Cool factor yes, cool room no.
Semantics maybe, but I would have put the information about the stageboxes more toward the beginning of the video. I'm thinking more about how to connect, then how to use. It would be the same with either an analogue or digital audio-verse: mics and equipment into a stagebox/snakehead, connect stagebox/snakehead to console, dial in each input, etc.
But then again, I've seen so many techs who know how patch things, but have no musical sensibility at all.....
Hi, Thanks for the video. Would you use this console into a recording studio as part of the mixing toools? What do you think?
Personally, I prefer to stick to virtual routing and processing within the computer for my studio.
@@AudioUniversity Thanks a lot!
With DANTE, when using the redundant connection, you have to utilize two separate switches. Two separate networks. Primary and secondary cannot run in one network.
Still it's easier to achieve than analog redundancy, for which an audio splitter and two identical sets of mixing and processing equipment are required.
I use both but prefer digital iPad based now. The digital desk is lighter, has many more features (gate, compressor) can handle twice as many monitor mixes. Takes up a fraction of the space, and the icing on the cake lets me record the multitrack to try things out (eg changes) after the show. Analogue is quicker to grab an individual fader or send, but ties me to one mix position.
As someone who only ever worked on a 16 channel mack and then had to learn how to connect a digital snake to a Yamaha, there is one major advantage analog mixers have:
They don’t run fucking dante!!!
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Thank you!
It seems that an analog mixer is much cheaper than a digital one, but a digital mixer is not just a mixer but a full solution toolkit including almost everything you'll possibly need for live sound reinforcement - Patchbays, gates, compressors, limiters, effects modules, delay units, signal matrices, multitrack soundcards, network audio interfaces and so on. If you want your 16-channel Mackie to behave like a Behringer XR18, you need to spend a lot on adding at least a full-sized rack packed with all sorts of outboard equipment, and still you have neither automation nor remote control.
Yeah but you won’t lose control of your system when you lose wi fi connection at an embarrassing time…,
This is probably a stupid place to ask this question - but here goes.
I've been looking for a digital DJ mixer that offers a number of stereo channels for turntables and tape machines. I wnat to use these sources, but have the flexibility of a digital mixer. For example I'd like to be able to record "the show" output on a PC - but ALSO to simultaneously record each source on a seperate track as it plays so that I can remix or resequence or change the composition of the show later on (e.g. add or change out just one bit of music ) . Of all the digital mixers I've found very very few offer even one actual stereo input. Yes, I could group channels in pairs I know, but I hate that having to fade up two sliders for each channel. I am new to digital audio stuff (though built computers and microcontroller stuff for years) so maybe I am missing something obvious - but I havent found what I think I need. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
What mic are you using for your voice please ? sound great
This is an Austrian Audio OC818 in supercardioid mode.
@@AudioUniversity Thanks Kyle have a great day
We have come a long way from analog, how far will it go?
Problem is you have to keep switching back and forth to fix something and that takes longer and I would never use a digital mixer for that reason I can just look down and see what’s the problem so fast with an analog and can fix it before anyone notices anything
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Thanks for watching!
What's your thoughts on using a digital console for the studio e.g recording / mixing?
It’s useful for many of the same reasons. But I think it’s more common to use a control surface in a studio that simply controls the DAW. That way you get the simplicity of in-the-box mixing with the feel of a console.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I love your channel. Great content delivered in an honest, informative way.
Is there a big difference in the quality of sound between this and the Allen & Heath QU 24 digital mixer?
I haven’t compared the two, but pretty much all modern digital consoles have excellent sound quality.
BIG DIFFERENCE. TASCAM is a 96k console at 32 bit. A&H QU is only 48k at 24 bit. Also the QU is REALLY annoying to use and has a ton of limitations. Tons of extra features on the Sonicview compared to the QU including built-in multitrack recorder. The Sonicview is built for the future where the A&H is last gen model.
@@mnretrogamer7189 Thank you. I respect the information on this channel and I’ve been watching his videos for a long time. I did get a chance to talk to Sweetwater, and they said almost everything you stated. So I’m just going to get the Tascam Sonicview since I would have to pay an additional grand for a Dante card if I were to purchase the Allen & Heath. Right now I’m using the Apogee Symphony. I was going to get the SSL Big Six, but that might be a little too limited down the line.
Digital mixer giveaway?!? 😁😁😁🤣🤣😁😁
If you only have 16 analog inputs, what would you do if you have 22 physical audio sources to plug in?
You could potentially utilize a digital connection (like Dante). Otherwise you would normally reduce the number of inputs or submix some inputs into a single channel (for example, 2 keyboards run through a smaller mixer and then into a single input on the main mixer.).
@@AudioUniversity Thanks! You actually answered this question in the video lol thanks again!
ok, then why great festivals like Coachella and etc, and some other FOH engineers prefer to use analog premium mixing consoles and they consider that analog mixing consoles are much better for live purposes?
I’d guess that the biggest reason is that these people are more familiar with an analog workflow. There might be some advantages, but overall it’s a ton of extra setup and labor for a very subtle benefit, if any. One example of someone who mixes with analog is Dave Rat. He’s a brilliant engineer and I’d love to talk with him about why he does this.
@@AudioUniversity Thank you! ❤️
Because if you target features you go digital, if you target sound, then the answer can be different. Dave Rat is a perfect example. Why should he use something which sounds worser?
Where the mics are plugged
When a channel dies on an analog console it’s an easy workaround. Use a different channel strip.
When a channel dies on a digital console, ALL the channels die on the digital console and it’s gig over.
Never happens though does it. Its always cables, amps, speakers and instrument pickups. The most likely hypothetical desk failure is a power supply failure and that will take out either desk totally.
@@Seiskid - mostly true, but I have had bad chanel strips on old soundcraft and TDA desks.
That said, I've only used Yamaha digital desks for the last 20 years and problems have always been Dante related...
I'm sure that all of mixing (live or studio) can easily be done in the box nowadays.
1:33 heh feedback is almost 1500 msec. So fast if you have to quickly check 10 channel it will take 15 seconds.
Sadly, these digital desks have the operator looking at the console instead of what's happening on stage. This makes one slow to react let alone anticipate what's going to happen next.
I hate the damn things. If you don't know the menus you're screwed. It took us 2 hours once just to find the monitor sends.. ridiculous
Digital mixers suck taste off from audio... Am I the only one here?
Yeah, you are the only one
Cheers.