Let's Talk About Your False Vocal Folds
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- For some strange reason, most vocal coaches either don't know about the False Vocal Folds, or they don't think they are so important to singing to make a priority in their teaching.
The false vocal folds probably cause more problems for singers than any other part of the human voice. Learning what they are, how they operate, how to control them and how to use them to your advantage is what separates beginning from advanced singers.
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This helps with false cord screaming as well. I never new how to activate or raise them for say to make the grit. So thank you.
I just want to know how to do the voice that Beetlejuice does ;-;
That's what IM here for! Ayyyyy! 👉😎👉
I'm here for that to!!😂😂
M-Me too...
oh. you busted all of us
I did the reverse. Lol every video I found on false vocal cord phonation had a comment like this and I went to find out what the “ beetle juice voice “ was.
thanks so much Joe...had never heard of this before.so grateful
Thank you SO MUCH! For a while now, I've been struggling with a gritty sound in my voice right around my break, particularly on an "a" vowel. I was pretty sure it was my false cords. I figured out how to further constrict them voluntarily, but I couldn't voluntarily relax them all the way to avoid the grit when I didn't want it. Thanks to your hands-over-the-ears trick, I finally figured out how to fully open my false cords. Now I can control the grit in my voice, as well as some of the tone's color!
Thank you for sharing that with me! And I'm so happy for you, too. I'm learning that there are several constriction reactions, including the false folds, the muscles that close the esophagus, and over-compressing the true folds. Once I added more close-mouth and partially closed-mouth exercises to my daily routine, these reactions are all coming under control.
By the way, I have a longer video that goes into greater depth on the false folds and gives you several ways to open them. Singing is so much more fun without constriction. Here's a link to the other video: ua-cam.com/video/5Qp4XciLsQ8/v-deo.html
Oh man!! That’s great! This is what I need to achieve
Thanks, I've been looking for an explanation as to why my singing was so flat an sharp
Woooow
Perhaps this is why I was always taught that breaths shouldn't be audible when you're singing? That would naturally open the false folds, would it not? Interesting....
Yes, most definitely. It's also why you hear tips like "breathe in on a yawn" or "breath as if surprised". It's a way to retract the false folds. On the exhale you'll often hear the tip about "on a sigh" and this, too, is to help keep the FF apart while singing.
There are times, especially in rock, when they can be closed partially for effect, but because I've had such a problem with them I now do all my training and singing with them as open as I can get them. The name for the condition when they are very problematic is "Ventricular Dysphonia", which is a subset of "Muscle Tension Dysphonia". I made this video before I knew how bad the problem was for me. The best exercise I've found to fix it is Straw Phonation in Water. It has worked miracles for me.
He's teaching us to avoid the false folds when I wanna know how to use em to sound like beetle juice
That's so funny because others have left that comment, too. Remember that beetle juice doesn't sing! Do you sing metal? Singing with your FF closed is easy. Just imagine that you have asthma and are struggling to breathe.
@@Vocalnebula thx and no I don't sing Meta and I don't wanna hold full on with the rasp in the musical he has a very slightl rasp that pops up every now and then but not all the time so if I do this right I should be fine 😁but thx
@@kikopaws9663 I only learned just now from your comment that there's a Beetlejuice musical! Which is strange because I love singing songs from musical theater. I've been living in Brazil for 18 years so I miss out on things. I thought there was only the movie. That explains why I've gotten a few comments on this video about Beetlejuice. I couldn't understand why they were referring to a 40 year old movie with no singing.
@@Vocalnebula ya XD I forgot to say it was a musical XD,XD
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great sir.I also sufferring false vocal fold problem in singing.Please give me suggession how permanent avoiding false vocal fold problem.
Hi Shantanu. I've made a lot more progress on overcoming my problems with the false folds and I plan to create some free mini-courses and more videos soon discussing the subject. You're already on the right path by simply knowing that you have this problem. It is the most common problem with singers and very few singers know that they have it and few coaches know how to recognize it and prescribe exercises to fix it. It takes a lot of training, but I enjoy doing vocal workouts before I sing so it's not a problem. It's actually fun.
You want to start by learning what it feels like when the are open and when they are closed, both when you are just breathing and when you are making sound. I think I gave some awareness exercises in this video. I've been doing a lot of closed-mouth and semi-occluded mouth exercises which I explain in a video called "How to Sing High Notes without Straining for Men".
It's too complex a problem/solution to explain in a comment. If you're a subscriber to this channel and also my email list at the website you'll receive announcements of new content. This week I'm working on some new mp3 vocal scales to add to the big collection that I give away free at the site. Next week I will create a mini-course called "down and in breathing for singing" and it is relevant to the false folds because when then to clench in the throat when we aren't breathing correctly.
Have a great day and I hope to hear from you again.
Joe
Vocal Nebula sir thank u so much.You thing my problem seriously,I will must try.love u sir
i cant find my head voice , because al my high sounds goes totally to false cords
what can i do?
Hi Gibran, sorry for the delay. I just received a similar question on another video so I'm going to make a video this week to give some advice and a couple exercises to find the head voice easily and to build it slowly into something wonderful.
The secret is to start very, very light, with the mouth closed (similar to humming) and then partially-closed (these are called semi-occluded exercises using voiced fricatives. Fancy words for a simple process). If you don't start light the false folds as well as the constriction muscles of swallowing will activate and cause a lot of pressure.
Remember to subscribe so UA-cam will notify you when new videos are up. I'm about to start creating lots and lots of new videos.
lol I'm trying to perfect using my false chords to utilize in metal music. Quite the opposite I think
Hi William. It's not quite the opposite. The false folds can be used to great effect, especially in heavy metal and rock. However, for many people, they slam shut at all times for high notes such that their use is outside of the conscious control of the singer. The key is in becoming a master of the false folds, so that you can open them for one type of sound, partially close them for another, and close them even further for an extreme distortion effect.
In order to do this, you have to first know how to open them and keep them open (if you have a problem with them closing when you don't want them to). Then, you gradually learn how to operate them as you want to use them. I'm not at all suggesting that we are meant to sing at all times with them wide open!
i hope this is why i constrict for high chesty notes, so this is how i fix it
It's likely one of the causes. It was in my case. I have a few newer exercises to keep them open. You don't often hear false fold closure as a big problem, but it often goes by another name, "closed throat". "Open throat" is one of the core concepts of voice for hundreds of years. The primary destroyers of open throat are the false vocal folds. When it's bad, as in my case, it's called "Ventricular Dysphonia". Takes a long time to fix permanently, but worth the effort. The straw phonation in water device is very useful to help fix this. I have a few new videos on this, one called "The Best Daily Vocal Exercise I Know" and then another that I think is called "How to Make Your Straw Phonation in Water Device". You might find that path useful.
I have acquired false vocal cord phonation in my normal speaking voice which as a result has become strained.
Will this exercise help?
Thank you so much for your videos, I noticed immédiate improvement in my voice while open opening my false chords but I find that the back of my neck contract as well. Any advice?
Hi Chris. Happy to hear you like the videos. Getting a feel for the sensations of singing, especially deep in the throat can take some time. It never really ends. When you change bad technique to good technique, it will always feel awkward. I find it best to just get used to the new feelings and to keep working on better technique.
I can suggest two things that you can search for online. I also teach them but am in the process of recreating my courses so my academy is closed to new enrollment for now.
For more work on keeping the false folds open and the tongue up and forward, look into an exercise called "Mewing" from Dr. Michael Mew. It's not from singing, but it's perfect for singers.
Then, look into a type of exercise called "hypopressive exercises" to rebuild the correct costal-diaphragmatic breathing system. I found this a couple months ago and it's changed everything. I'm working to get certified as a teacher. It, too, is not from the world of singing, but is perfect for singers. The best thing ever, really.
The methodology that I'm studying and practicing is named "Low Pressure Fitness".
Best of luck to you. Send me questions by my contact for at the site anytime!
@@Vocalnebula thank you so much for your answer. I will look at the exercises you suggest. I really think that FCR is what my singing was missing and I thank you again for sharing it.
thank you.
I'm pretty sure I move my false vocal folds when singing cause my voice has a weird edge to it and it sounds like my voice is strained, even though it's not and it feels fine (like beetlejuice lmao)
Join the club! It has been my biggest problem to overcome, and it's connected to other problems because it's part of the swallowing mechanism. We use habitually use the swallowing mechanism to dampen our sound and a big part of our training is to reverse these habits. Other aspects are throat constriction, over-pressed vocal chords and a retracted tongue.
Over the long history of singing and vocal training one of the most important subjects and techniques to develop has been called "open throat". This is literally just another way to speak of false fold closure and the need to learn how to keep them fully open while singing. Open throat begins just millimeters above the vocal folds.
I've also lately been doing a lot of tongue exercises to get and keep the tongue up and forward and out of the throat with a wide root. This actually helps a great deal with the false folds, too.
One challenge, as you alude to here, is that it's a habit that feels natural because we've had it all of our lives. In fact, it's speaking and singing with the false folds retracted that feels unnatural, even though it's what we need. This is one of the things I had in mind when I created one of my newer videos called Natural versus Unnatural Singing.
@@Vocalnebula that is really interesting! I do have an "open" method of singing that I sometimes use to reach high notes or riff, but I don't use it all the time... It sounds more choir-ish and doesn't have the edge that my "normal voice" does, haha. I just don't use it for everything!
This helped me with the Beetlejuice voice thanks so much 😂
Could you please send me the Links to your Excercise Videos on "How to eliminate false vocal chords singing" ?
I would be grateful to you Sir 🙏🙏..
Hi Ratan. I don't have videos up for most of the exercises I do to reverse the habits of false fold closure. I don't teach exercises on UA-cam for liability reasons. As for sound-making exercises, I prefer the SOVE-type exercises of lip trill, tongue trill, and humm. I do most of my vocal work with the straw phonation in water device. Mostly importantly, I have some silent exercises I do throughout the day and night that help reposition the tongue to it's correct resting place plus exercises to breathe with the lower throat wide open. I teach them in my courses and it has to be that way because everything must be taught step by step. At UA-cam people are in a hurry and skip around and I prefer to work with only serious students.
I'm not saying that you're not serious. I'm just explaining in general why I take this approach.
@@Vocalnebula
Ok...Thanks for replying..👍👍
dang i thought i finally found a beetlejuice singing voice tutorial 😂
So many people have written that! Nah, it's for people with Ventricular Dysphonia who are tired of singing through constricted false folds. There might be some tutorials out there from heavy metal singers that could be useful.
sir , today in scroboscopy i got diagnosed woth " ventricular plica dysphonia ". doctor said this is phonation due to false vocal chords and m suggested voice therapy for this. i want to ask u that is there any other way to disactivate the phonation of false chords.. and how many days it will take to recover my voice .and could i singer like before ??
Ok, I am able to breathe absolutely silently. But how do I keep the retraction when I make a sound?
With a lot of practice. This is the hardest part about proper singing to master. I'm doing it with a lot of exercising with straw phonation in water. I pay close attention to what it feels like to do it correctly and also incorrectly. When I'm singing I work hard to keep the feeling of doing it correctly. Old and bad habits die slowly. It won't just disappear overnight one day. It gets a little better each day if you stay with it.
1:15 For some reason I couldn’t hear anything after this… 🤷♂️
DuuuuuuuuuuuuuuDE....🤩
I've just been told I have a small granuloma on my false vocal cords. Do you have advice for this. Doc says come back in 3mnths to see where its at then.
I can only suggest that you trust your doctor. I'm not a doctor and only know see things from the point of view of singing and training. I hope it gets better quickly for you.
@@JoeNaab thank you. I did forget to mention that I'm a rock singer and it's probably singing too aggressively that's caused the problem. I find it hard to back off and get the same effect. Thank you for replying.
@@Vocalzone_covers I love singing rock and there's a certain effect that the false folds can provide that's hard to let go of. Now that I've worked out how to keep mine open, my goodness, the sound is so much better, even for rock, and it's so much easier to deliver and to navigate my full range.
I'm now beginning to sing songs by Freddie Mercury and Steve Perry that weren't even close to possible as recently as a year ago. In fact, up until a year ago I was always told that I was a baritone. Now, with the FF problem behind me (called Ventricular Dysphonia), I'm clearly a tenor, a spinto tenor, which is really cool. I'm also handling some songs by Chris Cornell and Geoff Tate much more easily than before.
I've slowly begun to master the exercise called "Straw Phonation in Water" (the "bubbler", as I call it). It works miracles and I high recommend it. I also change my breathing technique and that made a huge difference, too, and I can use the bubbler to train my breathing, too, and my vocal tract shaping.
@@JoeNaab that's a great reply. I love Chris Cornell and we do show me how to live. I will search your page if you have any videos on learning to do this. I obviously want to keep gigging so I need to change my technique for sure. Thank you.
@@Vocalzone_covers The content on my site and here at UA-cam is a bit stale. It's accurate, fortunately, just not representative of what I'm about to start teaching. Instead of posting new content I've been fully immersed in vocal studies and training and private lessons (as the student) because I'm so into improving my own voice right now. I've also been documenting everything and building a huge collection of visual aids for a new series of lessons.
I'm now creating a new course called Voice Building Fundamentals. My wheelhouse audience is male rock singers who struggle with constriction and want to sing with a strong voice over three octaves. I'll be sharing samples of my singing soon. Jump on the mailing list at the site as I'll be sending announcements as the time nears (shooting for June 1st pre-launch promotion).
Hey. i think i use my false vocal chords everytime i m singing..i m not sure about this though can u tell me how to know that if during Singing if my true vocal chords are vibrating or not. n is it possible to sing consectuively only from my false vocal chords?
I don't think it's possible to sing only from the false folds. You are either singing from only the true folds, or from both the true folds and the false folds at the same time. That would be the sound of a certain type of heavy metal singing.
The problem with the false folds for regular singing isn't usually that they close fully. The problem is that they close partially and they interfere with the free flow of the exiting air. This can be felt as a type of turbulence once you learn to pay attention to it. Also, when the are partially closed they will absorb some of the high frequency sound waves so the sound will get a little more dull.
What also happens is that when they partially close this actually helps the true folds to compress a little firmer and makes for a stronger sound. When we first learn to keep them open, we sometimes lose strength in our tone and so we go back to closing the false folds. However, if we can keep them open and just train the true folds to get stronger without this added help from the false folds, then our sound is strong and much more vibrant. We can get to higher pitches without straining. We get more ring and metal in our sound. We're more pitch-accurate. And singing just feels better.
I've come a long way with this but I still have problems. The improvements are gradual but they are worth it.
@@Vocalnebula Yeah..they are worth it and really thnkx a ton for making me understand this in such an informative way,i will be definately working on it ❤️n u have came such a long way courage n dedication so i definately hope u will soon recover the remaining problems too, all the best☺️
Who’s here because of Freddie?
i cludnt stop laughing at 2:36 , 2:37 time frame, sorry but u wer looking funny.thanks for sharing a wonderful information i will follow the exercise , but only the problem i have to do this stuffs when thers no one around or else ppl who know me will think i am gone crazy .... if u have any suggestion kindly share how to have a deeper low pitch voice, my doctors stroboscppy results was false cord hypertrophy periodic ,symmetric , amplitude
Hi Aakash, I didn't quite understand your question. The range of your voice is somewhat determined at birth, as it is dependent on the size of your vocal anatomy. So there is a distinction to be made in that we can develop and improve how we make sound in the range we are given by our anatomy, but we can't grow that range lower or higher, if that makes sense. Now, we can have such vocal problems that we don't actually have access to some of our range. This is usually more in the top end of our voice.
There are a couple strategies. Many coaches believe that if you train the middle voice that the lower and high notes improve as a consequence, even if you don't train them directly. This is true. However, it is also true that you can train them directly. First, find some piano scales on mp3 that cover the range of your voice that you'd like to exercise. I give away large collections of free scales on my site, so you can go download those, for example. Then, you need to learn exercises to do to those mp3 scales. In the low voice, there are exercises that help bring the folds together stronger, but I hesitate to recommend anything because it sounds like you have some voice problems, if your seeing a doctor, and so you have to be careful to only do exercises that are approved my your doctor.
Are you male or female? Some female voices, especially sopranos, have to take extra care when training the lowest part of their voice. Because I'm not a doctor, I'm not entirely sure what is meant by the condition, "false cord hypertherapy periodic, symmetic, amplitude". Ask your doctor for exercises or to refer you to a voice therapist who can give you exercises to treat that condition.
Vocal Nebula iam a male. age 27.
i want to have a voice like morgan freeman or sir amitabh bacchan..
i have a normal voice with little high pitch.
and yes iam consulting a voice therapist..
@@Aakash8889 I know it's been a long time since you've made this comment, so you've probably learned on your own, but it's important to be comfortable with your own voice and not force it to be other than what it is, particularly for everyday speech.
As far as I know, "false cord hypertrophy, periodic, symmetric, amplitude" means your false folds (false cord) are sometimes (periodic) getting used too much/pushed too far, straining them from overwork (hypertrophy), and the damage from strain is on both sides (symmetric). I'm not sure about amplitude, but my best guess is that you're also pushing too much, or using the false folds too loudly in addition to doing it too often.
Ask your doc or voice therapist though, this is just an educated guess based off my knowledge of the terms themselves, so don't take it for gospel. Anyway, I hope you were able to treat it in the time since your post!
The false cords are as well intrinsicly part of the true cords underneath and they vibrate in falsetto.
Hi Max. I'm not sure that's true. Do you have a reference to source of that information? The false folds are made mostly of fatty tissue and they are above the true folds. About the only thing that connects them is the TA muscle complex. The false folds would only vibrate in falsetto if they are fully constricted.
@@Vocalnebula I am not talking about how the false cords function on top. My teacher was taught that the true cords and the false cords are connected underneath. We can see them both on top but the layers underneath we cant really see. In falsetto, The muscles that control the true cords relax, ( One of which is the Thyroid Arytenoid (TA) )when the muscles that control the false cords engage. The false cords are not fatty skin or tissue underneath. She was taught that the false cords are part of the true vocal fold tenden underneath and they vibrate from underneath in falsetto. It would still appear that the true cords vibrate in falsetto when looking on top because its all connected. Yes The false cords are to the left and right on top but my SLS teacher was taught that they also connect to the true cords and the intrinsic laryngeal muscles that function underneath one of which is the Cricothyroid Muscle which lengthens and shortens the vocal folds. I dont know how accurate that definition is but it is what she was taught and believes.
On top the false cords only come together when the larynx is lifted up or when people do gravel or screamo singing.
@@maxsherritt9008 Hi Max. I don't mean any offense to you or your coach but what you've written here isn't correct, at least compared to what I've learned in my studies and in my experience as a singer. Plus, it could also be that you're not quite explaining it the way that your teacher would explain it. I'd rather not break it down since you seem convinced in what you've written, which is okay. I've suffered from Ventricular Dysphonia most of my life, which is the name for excessive false fold constriction. Most of my studies and training have been devoted to overcoming this problem, so I'm well-informed. For example, false folds can come together under any circumstance, regardless of larynx position or style of singing. They don't have to fully close to be problematic, they just have to approach each other enough to interfere with airflow and the passage of sound waves.
@@Vocalnebula yeah I'm not sure it's just what she was taught. When SLS was still active teachers had to go through yearly training and testing fo keep up with the method and each year she was required to take a series of classes, conferences, written tests, and panel observation tests to and pass them to continue teaching Speech Level Singing and her master teachers taught her this definition.
This is a text message that my coach word for word sent me regarding this topic and a laryngscopy video of vocal folds of a flip into falsetto, and I asked her " Isn't falsetto phonation produced by the false vocal folds?" NO paraphrasing or bias of mine or any sort: Here is her answer: "Now that I know what you're looking at and understand your question a little better I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge. The short answer is no but also yes because everything is connected. Let me explain. From what I understand, the true cords and the false cords are connected underneath. They both show on top but the layers underneath aren't seen in this video or any that I know of since that would be impossible. The muscles that control the true cords relax when the muscles that control the false cords engage and in a sense the false cords become part of the true cords underneath and control the vibrating from underneath. We see true cords still vibrate on top because it's all connected. False cords are to the right and left on top but are also connected to the intrinsic muscles that function underneath one of which is called the Cricothyroid Muscle which lengthens and shortens the vocal folds. There's more to all of this but I'm out of time. Honestly I'm just sharing what I've been taught so who knows what's right. I believe this though, it makes sense to me, so I'm sticking with it. The false cords only come together on top when people do screamo singing or yodeling. Does that make sense to you?"
Im watching this to sing a little like freddie Mercury, it will never happend
Funny you mention that because I always wanted to sing like Freddie Mercury, too, and never could get close. Over this past year, as I've finally solved most of my false vocal fold problems, I'm singing a few of his songs better than I ever thought I could. I've even been reclassified from baritone to tenor. I don't try to imitate him because I'm developing my own sound.
If you've ever had a coach, or heard someone talk about the importance of "open throat" in singing, whether they know it or not, they're referring to the false folds. Open throat begins there. Thanks for stopping by!