I will run Resto Sham like every season because it's my personal fun to play it and comfort pick. And this is my point comfort and fun beats out FotM Roller.
@@jayi100 cause shaman got nerf too the ground and it’s either reroll to a better healer in the meta or don’t heal. There are lots of toxic people in M+ cause dps don’t know how to avoid attacks and tank the damage then blames healer cause “reasons”
As a DH main I’m excited for this patch. although I’ve found myself excited for every patch this expansion when I havnt played more then 3 weeks into a patch since BFA.
Can't wait for people to look at this as "good > decent > trash > dogshit don't invite to a +7" despite Dorki and other content creators doing everything they can to say that the lower tier classes are still playable in +20, it never fails. At least windwalker was good for the first 2 weeks of dragonflight m0s
Dorki literally said “you’d never bring any of these down here” and then gestures towards the bottom two categories. That’s not helping. Honestly, the tier list videos in general influence people’s perceptions. They’re never gonna hear viable and think good. They’re gonna hear must have and dogshit
The main issue to me personally is the current existence of Aug as spec and role “Support” even if this is spec is here to stay it needs to rework the fundamentals of the spec as rotation, talent to make it at least fun to play
@@shadysorkin9214 yea the average kazzak and hyjal lowiq will definetly comprehend what dorki was on about. nevertheless its a minority and most ppl dont care because they play in groups of at least 2 or 3, if someone really wants to play pug only then no one can help them at all. pugs are the worst in the game with all of these clowns.
As someone who’s looking to get back into playing wow and running M+ keys, this is really great content. Really thorough analysis and I enjoyed how you highlighted how some specs are still viable despite not being meta
I liked your take on feral druid. Ha. I am one of those people that swear by it. All the druid utility including a kick, high aoe sustain, great single target burst.
is it really bias if a lot of top boomie players are saying the same thing that the class lacks a good defensive? dying as boomie is so punishing(losing pulsar stacks) compared to mage and is less avoidable. if you have to go bear form frequently you are losing dmg.
@@livvwyes because have you PLAYED other ranged specs and even some melee in the past 20 Metas?? Lmao man did u see enhancement just recently? Even when druids up top they still complaining about defensives... bro your a druid w giga armor be happy you got some stuff smhmyhead
Not only is Dorki incredibly experienced and knowledgeable on the topic matter, he also tries to remain as objective as possible when giving his opinions on classes. A true gamer through and through.
Don't listen to him about Ret Paladins though. He's very wrong; they literally do it all. All these nerds ranked Ret B/A tier in keys for Season 2 and they were all blasted by the power of divine storm and infinite utility. Ret Paladins are the unkillable gods that you always want, because their rotation is so easy its impossible to fuck up. You seriously gonna bring DHs, the sasuke kings, when they cant even use fel rush without dying? Yeah momentum is more optional now, which is even worse; theyll use it to try and get out of mechanics last minute and get clipped. Theyll miss call outs because of the Breaking Benjamin playlist they're blasting at max volume. Most melee either have shit utility for dealing with affixes, or their melee range is so dog you have to be practically giving the mobs a colonoscopy to hit them and aoe optimally. Ret chads can do their rotation from a mile away. Why do you think Anduin was crying in the new cinematic? It's not because he was dealing with PTSD, the man had to play as a Death Knight for most of Shadowlands, which is enough to break any man. They don't even have any mobility, the best they get is a crappy sprint, which makes them run like a fat kid trying to catch up to the ice cream truck. You'll need radios to communicate with them from the bottom of the damage meters, and from the entrance of the dungeon cause their slow asses cant keep up. The Ret community demands an apology by Christmas for this poor ranking, when u.gg is crashing so hard because they're just overloading the coveted S tier alumni. Remember; when you gotta think, take the pink. Paladins; satisfaction gauranteed.
Unless the AoE / ST issues season 2 had with ret paladins were fixed with 10.2 (I didnt keep up with updates on them for 10.2 so correct me if they did do changes) , They will never be A / S tier. Why would I bring a ret paladin for his utility when you can cover it with other classes, A ret doesnt do anything special that other classes cant do, other than give ret players a crutch with bubbles. @@nrbism9614
This is what I imagine being on moonguard would feel like. Tho don't call out my DK's from the bottom like that, we wiggle our asses as best we can lmfao!@@nrbism9614
My picks for S3, hope they'll work out good: DPS: Outlaw/Survival Tank: BDK/VDH Healer: Resto/Mistweaver I'll probably play 2/3 of those to KSM if dungeons are nice
I think people hyper overvalue frost mage's funnel. arcane has higher funnel than frost does edit to say that the reason frost's funnel isn't as strong anymore is because of the freezing winds talent. it makes your ice lance generation way more consistent by giving the buff to you on a set timer, but that means you're not reliant on frozen orb naturally generating your procs. you get better, more consistent prio damage, but less funnel. (it's still better than purely relying on funnel)
Clearly don't know much about Sin rogue, but that is fine. Most people really don't know everything about all the specs, especially one that has been completely reworked.
Having all these people hyping up Veng DH and Disc has me a bit worried. They are both the type of spec that in a good group and played well, they will perform very well, and probably will be among the strongest. However, when not played well, there will be a lot of "jump in and die" DHs and Disc priest that just can't keep people alive.
@@Dorki Eh, not too worried about boomy. Bad healer/tank that cant stay alive or keep others alive tends to brick keys even on lower levels, a bad dps can be carried (up to a point ofc.) By the time you get to a level where you can't really carry anymore, I think people playing them will be just fine.
For sure there are easier lower skill requiring specs for those roles, but considering whats "Meta" considers all specs played at their individual highest skill level. Likely the best frost DK on earth can do twice the damage as an average player on DH, but thats not the conversation. The conversation all specs played by the best players on earth, how do the specs rank in output and usefulness. The only caviot is hybrid usefulness. Does a Prot Paladin get a higher placement than Blood becuase while they may do the same healing and damage, and both have a battle rez, most of the Prot Paladins WoGs were LoH sized heals on the other 4 members of the M+ group? Kinda, but not really. The addtional team healing is cool, but it is greatly reducing damage output and risking not having a defensive buff rolling. Healing low M+ while tanking like a chad = cool, if you NEED to heal the group while tanking in high keys the group is not doing their jobs.
@@edwardhatfield5360 Not sure how this applies to anything I said but okey. But if we are talking about meta, I disagree with how it is formed and defined. If you have something that is completely OP, but only if it is played perfectly, and fails utterly if played at an average level, I do not consider that a good meta pick. If 9/10 people will fail at it, I would rank something with a lesser power potential but better average success rate much higher. I don't really care how good a given spec can be in the hands of the best players on earth, I am not playing with those people. I am playing PuGs. I care about how good a given spec is in the hands of the average player, and I don't feel these meta lists are representative of that. That is my opinion anyway.
planning to play vdh + outlaw + aug + boomkin + mistweaver at the start. got almost unkillable tank + great damage + cr + dudu and monk buffs + a lot of nice utility. but nerfs and adjustments are definitely coming after 10.2 release so maybe we'll switch classes later but this comp looks fine for the start
Lets be real -> Venge, Aug, Disc, Fire + one dps (Rogue cc, Boomie benefits from intel + 5% magic dps from venge) is meta this season. It will be like 30% ahead of anything else.
Havoc might get nuked off orbit before anything comes to Vengeance DH. I saw many FOTM re-rollers for the past week. dont know if they're going to enjoy it.
So sick of rshamans not getting any love...this expansion was a constant "hope it gets a nice buff so I can actually have fun healing with my shaman". Guess we had a nice decent month between season 1 and 2 spamming healing chain...
Enhance is my main forever. Loving these new talents, tried an elemental assault / elemental blast build selfish build (I sacrified windfury and sunder xD) on the PTR and i was sustaining a stunning amount of AoE damage on the dummies, with elemental blast you have even better funnel and you generate a stupid amount of maelstrom.
I'm a MW enjoyer but always drop it after being reminded that I'll only get invited to the most desperate groups. You're giving me hope, and it's concerning.
i would have expected warrior to be higher thx to lego 2h axe? idk how strong the impact is gonna be, but a lego 2h will be higher in ilvl, so higher weapon dmg, so insane scaling?
I think a good change for warrior is to make rally cry a choice mode on the talent and allow it to either be rally or a mass shield for up to 5 targets like what they gave mage and lust I mean bloodlust just sounds like a warrior thing I think that would fix the lack of utility on warrior
Really depressing that it's not even Hunter's fault that we don't get invited to shit. Blizzard just refuses to give us the same amount of utility as everything else. We do good damage but you need to sweat your ass off to stay alive and keep up with score compeition. And most people don't want to do that
I hope Blizz doesn't nerf DH again so much, after being ignored for literally complete Shadowlands and the first two seasons. The only part I currently have to think about is focusing more on the vengeance (but I currently have no tank spot in our raid) or havoc (with my spot for the last years). Both are fun to play, and now with the current buffs, a hard decision.
Yeah the nerfs they've already gotten have been sufficient. Rogue, balance, shaman are beating them numerically and bring similar levels of utility. As far as tanking I think it's fine if one tank stands out more and it's good for vengenace to get a season. Pally, bear, dk have had their time recently. And DK will probably share that #1 slot with vengeance with the legendary.
My picks are vdh, boomie, fire, aug and disco just because having double dh doesnt sound right for highest keys and i feel like vdh is worth more than blaster dps idk
even without legendary blood Dk is one of the tanks with the highest damage output in dungeons. And even on very high keys, those who know BDK's weaknesses well at the beginning of pulls can find a way to get around this weakness, especially with the trinket from Dawn of the Infinite (which gives BDK two extra lives since it doesn't shares cooldown with purgatory). in my opinion BDK is the meta tank this season and depending on what the new legendary weapon provides no other tank will come close to him.
Only 1 problem with your meta prediction -- you are wasting a spot in terms of buffs. Having a havoc and a Vengenace on the same squad is not optimal. Unless one of those is literally providing 20-25% more than any other spec in the game, you'd much rather have a devo/ret aura, battle shout, intellect, WF, etc. Havoc is only meta cause their damage is pretty high. They really don't have much more utility than a warrior especially if you already have their 5% damage buff. You are more likely to see spec that has good damage but also with good utility fill that spot. I wouldn't be surprised seeing a ret pally (if no prot or holy) or enhance in that same melee spot. Ret is being vastly underestimated when their single target and tier set is getting better + a leggo. Sac will also be pretty useful cause vengeance can giga struggle in high M+ survivability. Devo/ret aura is next to mark of the wild in terms of strength in high M+. Anything that increases defense and/or healing is always good (see aug). Everything else I agree with.
As a holy pally i am going into this patch feeling very low. I wish they would habe made the other classes better instead of making h pally worse. Im pretty bummed about this season going into it.
i will love to play a comp like , prot warrior - Disci priest - Havoc - Aug - Boomie , that's is how i'll play probably with my friends , i really hope the balancing will be good enouhg that u can do pretty mid-high keys with various comps :D anyway thx dorki for your content i love it
Drogoh called prot pally, disc, aug, havoc, boomkin (maybe mage) as possible meta comp. As a prot pally I hope he’s right, maybe Dev aura is needed to live the highest keys?
I can see it might be relaxing to some extent however how you do you see it rewarding? I wish if they never introduced this spec to the game to be honest
@@dvlfilmsandmusic ok so basicly, i always enjoyed playing support spec or hero in dota 2,so i find it fun, but years of playing dps in wow are making me still enjoy the most. I agree that 1 op support spec is not healthy for wow and we should have more of them, i eould deffo play all support specs and maybe over time i would enjoy more than dps
@@dracotoy pfft it barely cuts it in small pulls too, any slight tank movement or mechanics that make you move out of DnD you officially do 0 damage until next pillar window. Rework this crapshow of a spec already.
triple outlaw rogue most of bfa, double destro lock SL, triple bm hunter, triple WW in legion spec stacking is not allowed in competition anymore though after all these stacking moments
"Sin rogue" is best. "Assa rogue" I wouldn't use. It's kind of like Europeans saying "Pala" where NA says "Pally." "Sass rogue"? Better than "Ass rogue" at least.
Why is resto shaman bad? I’ve only played classic wow since tbc n was intrested in retail but Rsham is all I’ve played (and enhance when duelspec showed up). Conflicted between trying out retail since the story seems at a new beginning part, or just play cata classic since it’s the start of retail.
Don't stress meta as tank. If you are doing anything sub high 20's it truly doesn't matter. This is especially the case for BDK who can literally walk through low to mid 20s without a healer.
I like it how no warlock specs are even in possible meta, while two mage specs are in possible meta and 2 dh specs are in meta :) guess I'm skipping another season of m+ being a warlock/ret player
@@icswack6015 DH having a shine quite a lot since legion, for how easy they are, especially with their mobility, I don't mind seeing them relegated over other classes.
Nop, they have to ANNIHILATE them to make them not meta. They give too much to heals and tanks so they are still good if they do 'decent' damage at best.
When did we move from "Good-medium-bad" to "meta- possible meta - goodge - viable"? Do we need to protect someone feeling by labelling the lowest / weakest tier "viable" instead of "worse than every other tank" ?
@@Dorki every class is with no means able to to Keys up to 25. Up until there it does more count on if the player knows how to to play the class. Only above that the "potential" is needed where you then need to be pretty good in you class AND it must have at least sort of a higher powerlevel. Still got ptsd and surely will have again on those +16s "Aug pls" keys.
@@Dorki Your audience isn't looking for tips on their weekly +20 tho.... other than how to get high-paying sales at convenient times ( if you have tips on that, go ahead)
This Tierlist saved my M+ Career
You have any in the first place 😝
this tierlist prevented me from returning to the game.. thnx a bunch ❤ so glad I watched this before hitting the subscribe button on bnet
basing your experience on someone else opinion :D sound american to me@@mhmtbl
Thought I was watching Kroni clips for a bit.
Thanks for the vid, Dorki!
I will run Resto Sham like every season because it's my personal fun to play it and comfort pick.
And this is my point comfort and fun beats out FotM Roller.
As a shaman main am going to keep push no matter people kick me from group
Youre an inspiration to us all 🥺
Why are they kicking shaman?
@@jayi100 cause shaman got nerf too the ground and it’s either reroll to a better healer in the meta or don’t heal. There are lots of toxic people in M+ cause dps don’t know how to avoid attacks and tank the damage then blames healer cause “reasons”
Same my shamy brother!
As a DH main I’m excited for this patch. although I’ve found myself excited for every patch this expansion when I havnt played more then 3 weeks into a patch since BFA.
Can't wait for people to look at this as "good > decent > trash > dogshit don't invite to a +7" despite Dorki and other content creators doing everything they can to say that the lower tier classes are still playable in +20, it never fails. At least windwalker was good for the first 2 weeks of dragonflight m0s
Dorki literally said “you’d never bring any of these down here” and then gestures towards the bottom two categories. That’s not helping.
Honestly, the tier list videos in general influence people’s perceptions. They’re never gonna hear viable and think good. They’re gonna hear must have and dogshit
@@cdYadi He means to the highest end meta keys. You can play any spec in up to around 25 keys. He says that throughout basically the entire video.
The main issue to me personally is the current existence of Aug as spec and role “Support” even if this is spec is here to stay it needs to rework the fundamentals of the spec as rotation, talent to make it at least fun to play
@@shadysorkin9214 yea the average kazzak and hyjal lowiq will definetly comprehend what dorki was on about. nevertheless its a minority and most ppl dont care because they play in groups of at least 2 or 3, if someone really wants to play pug only then no one can help them at all. pugs are the worst in the game with all of these clowns.
Like really? :D U can run 20 with whatever u want :D everything is meta till 20 :D
As someone who’s looking to get back into playing wow and running M+ keys, this is really great content. Really thorough analysis and I enjoyed how you highlighted how some specs are still viable despite not being meta
I liked your take on feral druid. Ha. I am one of those people that swear by it. All the druid utility including a kick, high aoe sustain, great single target burst.
that nagura clip was spot on lol. the class bias from some of these people is hilarious
is it really bias if a lot of top boomie players are saying the same thing that the class lacks a good defensive? dying as boomie is so punishing(losing pulsar stacks) compared to mage and is less avoidable. if you have to go bear form frequently you are losing dmg.
Boomies live in your brain rent free.
@@livvwyes because have you PLAYED other ranged specs and even some melee in the past 20 Metas?? Lmao man did u see enhancement just recently? Even when druids up top they still complaining about defensives... bro your a druid w giga armor be happy you got some stuff smhmyhead
boomies and ret and the biggest downplayers
@@livvw A hunter has entered the chat.
Not only is Dorki incredibly experienced and knowledgeable on the topic matter, he also tries to remain as objective as possible when giving his opinions on classes. A true gamer through and through.
Don't listen to him about Ret Paladins though. He's very wrong; they literally do it all. All these nerds ranked Ret B/A tier in keys for Season 2 and they were all blasted by the power of divine storm and infinite utility. Ret Paladins are the unkillable gods that you always want, because their rotation is so easy its impossible to fuck up. You seriously gonna bring DHs, the sasuke kings, when they cant even use fel rush without dying? Yeah momentum is more optional now, which is even worse; theyll use it to try and get out of mechanics last minute and get clipped. Theyll miss call outs because of the Breaking Benjamin playlist they're blasting at max volume.
Most melee either have shit utility for dealing with affixes, or their melee range is so dog you have to be practically giving the mobs a colonoscopy to hit them and aoe optimally. Ret chads can do their rotation from a mile away. Why do you think Anduin was crying in the new cinematic? It's not because he was dealing with PTSD, the man had to play as a Death Knight for most of Shadowlands, which is enough to break any man. They don't even have any mobility, the best they get is a crappy sprint, which makes them run like a fat kid trying to catch up to the ice cream truck. You'll need radios to communicate with them from the bottom of the damage meters, and from the entrance of the dungeon cause their slow asses cant keep up.
The Ret community demands an apology by Christmas for this poor ranking, when u.gg is crashing so hard because they're just overloading the coveted S tier alumni.
Remember; when you gotta think, take the pink. Paladins; satisfaction gauranteed.
Unless the AoE / ST issues season 2 had with ret paladins were fixed with 10.2 (I didnt keep up with updates on them for 10.2 so correct me if they did do changes) , They will never be A / S tier. Why would I bring a ret paladin for his utility when you can cover it with other classes, A ret doesnt do anything special that other classes cant do, other than give ret players a crutch with bubbles. @@nrbism9614
@@ghozter1how inept do you have to be to tell someone writing such a great but clearly in meme spirit post to chill and then tell him to get over it
This is what I imagine being on moonguard would feel like. Tho don't call out my DK's from the bottom like that, we wiggle our asses as best we can lmfao!@@nrbism9614
@@nrbism9614 i can already hear the random phonk track with patrick bateman coming around the corner listening to it in his plate armor
My picks for S3, hope they'll work out good:
DPS: Outlaw/Survival
Tank: BDK/VDH
Healer: Resto/Mistweaver
I'll probably play 2/3 of those to KSM if dungeons are nice
I feel like people overlook warriors interrupts, a good warrior can make a high key feel so easy if they are on point with their interrupts.
Finally more dorki content. Holy fuck what a morning
I think people hyper overvalue frost mage's funnel. arcane has higher funnel than frost does
edit to say that the reason frost's funnel isn't as strong anymore is because of the freezing winds talent. it makes your ice lance generation way more consistent by giving the buff to you on a set timer, but that means you're not reliant on frozen orb naturally generating your procs. you get better, more consistent prio damage, but less funnel. (it's still better than purely relying on funnel)
in shadowlands for sure but with shimmer or ice floes on top of slipstream it's really not bad anymore.
Ret being “mega mid” is the biggest brain review of Ret I’ve heard in a while, thanks for that.
Clearly don't know much about Sin rogue, but that is fine. Most people really don't know everything about all the specs, especially one that has been completely reworked.
wow great input
hahahaha that boomie Cameo! Thanks for the video Dorki!
Having all these people hyping up Veng DH and Disc has me a bit worried.
They are both the type of spec that in a good group and played well, they will perform very well, and probably will be among the strongest.
However, when not played well, there will be a lot of "jump in and die" DHs and Disc priest that just can't keep people alive.
boomy aswell
@@Dorkiyeah, boomie is so completely dependent on the tank and group it's insane - my variance feels like 2x in final dps
@@Dorki Eh, not too worried about boomy. Bad healer/tank that cant stay alive or keep others alive tends to brick keys even on lower levels, a bad dps can be carried (up to a point ofc.)
By the time you get to a level where you can't really carry anymore, I think people playing them will be just fine.
For sure there are easier lower skill requiring specs for those roles, but considering whats "Meta" considers all specs played at their individual highest skill level. Likely the best frost DK on earth can do twice the damage as an average player on DH, but thats not the conversation. The conversation all specs played by the best players on earth, how do the specs rank in output and usefulness. The only caviot is hybrid usefulness. Does a Prot Paladin get a higher placement than Blood becuase while they may do the same healing and damage, and both have a battle rez, most of the Prot Paladins WoGs were LoH sized heals on the other 4 members of the M+ group? Kinda, but not really. The addtional team healing is cool, but it is greatly reducing damage output and risking not having a defensive buff rolling. Healing low M+ while tanking like a chad = cool, if you NEED to heal the group while tanking in high keys the group is not doing their jobs.
@@edwardhatfield5360 Not sure how this applies to anything I said but okey.
But if we are talking about meta, I disagree with how it is formed and defined.
If you have something that is completely OP, but only if it is played perfectly, and fails utterly if played at an average level, I do not consider that a good meta pick. If 9/10 people will fail at it, I would rank something with a lesser power potential but better average success rate much higher.
I don't really care how good a given spec can be in the hands of the best players on earth, I am not playing with those people. I am playing PuGs. I care about how good a given spec is in the hands of the average player, and I don't feel these meta lists are representative of that.
That is my opinion anyway.
Dorki content so good even growl comes out of rehab
I mean blizz will nerf aug down if they feel its req for higher keys. Healers overall look better and you can fit it in what you need, thats cool
that hype for MW monk won't last long maybe about 2 weeks then we put "MONK" in trash teir
anyway tnx for tier list
planning to play vdh + outlaw + aug + boomkin + mistweaver at the start. got almost unkillable tank + great damage + cr + dudu and monk buffs + a lot of nice utility. but nerfs and adjustments are definitely coming after 10.2 release so maybe we'll switch classes later but this comp looks fine for the start
Lets be real -> Venge, Aug, Disc, Fire + one dps (Rogue cc, Boomie benefits from intel + 5% magic dps from venge) is meta this season. It will be like 30% ahead of anything else.
I think you will just double DH personally so Vengance, Disc, Havoc, Aug and Fire/Bommie/Rogue
Havoc might get nuked off orbit before anything comes to Vengeance DH. I saw many FOTM re-rollers for the past week. dont know if they're going to enjoy it.
So sick of rshamans not getting any love...this expansion was a constant "hope it gets a nice buff so I can actually have fun healing with my shaman". Guess we had a nice decent month between season 1 and 2 spamming healing chain...
I’m Having fun spamming my anal riptide and anal chain heal
Enhance is my main forever. Loving these new talents, tried an elemental assault / elemental blast build selfish build (I sacrified windfury and sunder xD) on the PTR and i was sustaining a stunning amount of AoE damage on the dummies, with elemental blast you have even better funnel and you generate a stupid amount of maelstrom.
Is that the elementalist build? I love the storm build, so I'm hoping it's viable. Did you try the storm build?
@@jayi100 Yes that is with elementalist build. The new tier set basically shoe horns you into elementalist build.
I'm a MW enjoyer but always drop it after being reminded that I'll only get invited to the most desperate groups. You're giving me hope, and it's concerning.
i would have expected warrior to be higher thx to lego 2h axe? idk how strong the impact is gonna be, but a lego 2h will be higher in ilvl, so higher weapon dmg, so insane scaling?
havoc is not that good when other dps get their tier set, def does not deserve the ban hammer
Oh how wrong you learned to be😂😂 time def was not good to this opinion
As a Bear tank, I really felt the "ah yea bear tanks" constantly when talking about MOTW....... ugh
"Depending on what region you're from will know it as assa rogue it could be called assa or sin" Meanwhile me since 2004: mut rogue
Aff lock could benefit from less button bloat. Way too many DoTs to juggle all the time in comparison to other DoT specs, specially in AoE.
Surely one day we won't need to cast Siphon Life :')
SIPHON LIFE NEEDS TO GO.
And rapture need to go
Siphon life giga needs to go agree, aff lock needs disc priest cleanup lol
even if the lego isn't enough to make bdk the go to, maybe my love will be
I think a good change for warrior is to make rally cry a choice mode on the talent and allow it to either be rally or a mass shield for up to 5 targets like what they gave mage and lust I mean bloodlust just sounds like a warrior thing I think that would fix the lack of utility on warrior
Lets give them arcane blast and portals too.
bloodlust on warrior makes more sense than shamans and dragons. warriors are full of blood lust.@@nicklepkowski5315
@@nicklepkowski5315 Everyone stole warrior abilities over expansions but of course it can't happen other way around right.
yo dorki what's the tank tier list for blackfathom deeps???
Shaman is S obviously
im playing warlock tank
Really depressing that it's not even Hunter's fault that we don't get invited to shit. Blizzard just refuses to give us the same amount of utility as everything else. We do good damage but you need to sweat your ass off to stay alive and keep up with score compeition. And most people don't want to do that
make 2 more categories below viable and put shadow priest in it
finally time for discipline dominance until they nerf it
I hope Blizz doesn't nerf DH again so much, after being ignored for literally complete Shadowlands and the first two seasons. The only part I currently have to think about is focusing more on the vengeance (but I currently have no tank spot in our raid) or havoc (with my spot for the last years).
Both are fun to play, and now with the current buffs, a hard decision.
They need a nerf along with outlaw. Not a lot but they need to be brought down a bit
Yeah the nerfs they've already gotten have been sufficient. Rogue, balance, shaman are beating them numerically and bring similar levels of utility. As far as tanking I think it's fine if one tank stands out more and it's good for vengenace to get a season. Pally, bear, dk have had their time recently. And DK will probably share that #1 slot with vengeance with the legendary.
havoc will be nerfed. 100%
Yeah brace yourselves for nerfs, it's inevitable. DH's are doing are doing like ~20% more than the next DPS on average, that's not gonna stay.
Veng gonna get the nerf bat for sure. It's gonna be Prot pally, Havoc, Aug, Boomie/Fire Mage/Outlaw, and either Disc or R-Drood.
My picks are vdh, boomie, fire, aug and disco just because having double dh doesnt sound right for highest keys and i feel like vdh is worth more than blaster dps idk
even without legendary blood Dk is one of the tanks with the highest damage output in dungeons. And even on very high keys, those who know BDK's weaknesses well at the beginning of pulls can find a way to get around this weakness, especially with the trinket from Dawn of the Infinite (which gives BDK two extra lives since it doesn't shares cooldown with purgatory). in my opinion BDK is the meta tank this season and depending on what the new legendary weapon provides no other tank will come close to him.
Only 1 problem with your meta prediction -- you are wasting a spot in terms of buffs. Having a havoc and a Vengenace on the same squad is not optimal. Unless one of those is literally providing 20-25% more than any other spec in the game, you'd much rather have a devo/ret aura, battle shout, intellect, WF, etc. Havoc is only meta cause their damage is pretty high. They really don't have much more utility than a warrior especially if you already have their 5% damage buff. You are more likely to see spec that has good damage but also with good utility fill that spot. I wouldn't be surprised seeing a ret pally (if no prot or holy) or enhance in that same melee spot. Ret is being vastly underestimated when their single target and tier set is getting better + a leggo. Sac will also be pretty useful cause vengeance can giga struggle in high M+ survivability. Devo/ret aura is next to mark of the wild in terms of strength in high M+. Anything that increases defense and/or healing is always good (see aug). Everything else I agree with.
theyre just that good but i think thats why there are other "possible meta"
As a holy pally i am going into this patch feeling very low. I wish they would habe made the other classes better instead of making h pally worse. Im pretty bummed about this season going into it.
holy priest made very goodge pog
Kinda hope Pres isnt't nerfed or nerfed in a way that it affects only it's raid output.
10.2 HYPE
Naguura clip 👌
i will love to play a comp like , prot warrior - Disci priest - Havoc - Aug - Boomie , that's is how i'll play probably with my friends , i really hope the balancing will be good enouhg that u can do pretty mid-high keys with various comps :D anyway thx dorki for your content i love it
"Can always use engineering rez, and after you come out of being polymorphed for the 5th time, it will finally work"😎😎🤣🤣
What’s the music playlist in this video? It’s pretty chill
Drogoh called prot pally, disc, aug, havoc, boomkin (maybe mage) as possible meta comp. As a prot pally I hope he’s right, maybe Dev aura is needed to live the highest keys?
I still cant see ppala becoming meta if vengeance has this strong utility or if legendary will make bdk god like jailer weapon in shadowlands
Mage for life here, tho i rly enjoy aug as support spec, so much relaxed play time and rewarding
I can see it might be relaxing to some extent however how you do you see it rewarding?
I wish if they never introduced this spec to the game to be honest
@@dvlfilmsandmusic ok so basicly, i always enjoyed playing support spec or hero in dota 2,so i find it fun, but years of playing dps in wow are making me still enjoy the most. I agree that 1 op support spec is not healthy for wow and we should have more of them, i eould deffo play all support specs and maybe over time i would enjoy more than dps
as a frost dk main its time to tank as blood :')
It's funny that Windwalker who was always shit in single target was atleast good in aoe, but now it's shit In both 💀
Also Frost Dk needs rework
it feels so bad to play breath in any type of dungeon with downtime, and i love oblit but it just aint cutting it in big pulls
@@dracotoyI hate oblit and love breath but ur still spot on and I left dk/frost dk long time ago for a reason lol
@@dracotoy pfft it barely cuts it in small pulls too, any slight tank movement or mechanics that make you move out of DnD you officially do 0 damage until next pillar window.
Rework this crapshow of a spec already.
@@Garbage315 DnD is truly an awful ability. The worst part is a find both styles so fun at their peaks, but so unwieldy and awful at their worst
Breath should be a toggle, change my mind
Hi man a pug/mid to high keys m+ tier list would be awesome as it relates to most of your viewers.
is there ever a double class in meta ever? from BlizzCon tournament, they were all use demon hunters
triple outlaw rogue most of bfa, double destro lock SL, triple bm hunter, triple WW in legion
spec stacking is not allowed in competition anymore though after all these stacking moments
thanks dork
How has hunter no utility? Stuns, slows, interrupts, hunters mark dps debuff, high movement. How do you value party utility?
stun slow interrupt almost everyone has. hunters mark isnt that useful in m+
utility is mage with arcane intellect, 2 AoE ccs, mass barrier
As always, I do mean ALWAYS. Havoc DH will get nerfed immediately like always...several times now.
Sin doesn’t choose anymore sir there’s a hybrid build that goes burrrr
"Sin rogue" is best. "Assa rogue" I wouldn't use. It's kind of like Europeans saying "Pala" where NA says "Pally." "Sass rogue"? Better than "Ass rogue" at least.
So buff Bear, Brew, Holy Priest, Resto Shaman, Holy Pally..... feel like I'm going to be doing Blood-Disc-Havoc-Aug-Mage
Maybe replace Mage with Balance for MOTW, or Havoc.... both of those buffs are good though too.
havoc gonna be nerfed? was gonna go it this time
Disc priest is good when the rest of your team is experts.
just imagine the meta if Aug wasn't a thing...
choosing between AoE for ass rogue...
there is no choice to be made here.
crimson tempest is no longer in your tree.
I feel like disc is always good at the start of an expansion/patch then raid release it get nerf, and fall behind others in m+ :(
raiders always ruining it for us m+ers
@@Dorkididnt they buff attonement for M+ specifically so this might not be the case anymore
@@user-jc3vy6tc1nthey did but well see if they utilize it well
I'm pretty sad they didn't announce another support spec for TWW. Which will probably mean the aug spot will be locked in for the foreseeable future
Augmentation was a curveball so we will never know until we get the patch. Also a chance for a surprise one in .5 or .7 patch
They better make evoker or shaman tank
Love your work Dorki
in the descript
Updoot for Killerbean
its sad how a only dps class is only considered goodge in their 3 specs...
godly in raid tho
all my favorite specs are "viable" sadge
I'm curious how hard they will nerf Havoc lol. There is literally no downsides to the spec.
Why is resto shaman bad? I’ve only played classic wow since tbc n was intrested in retail but Rsham is all I’ve played (and enhance when duelspec showed up). Conflicted between trying out retail since the story seems at a new beginning part, or just play cata classic since it’s the start of retail.
its fine just not as good as other healers thats all
Curious to see what everyone plays in MDI and TGP this season. My group is running Vengeance, Resto Druid, Fury, Enh, and BM.
survival hunter is literally the best spec in the game the BEST SPEC inthe game
Think frost is above fire this season. Arcane is to much to give to have dps.
Buff locks honestly.
God I'm hoping for legendary axe will be good to make my favorite class meta (Blood DK)
Hopefully not, they ran half of shadowlands as meta. wheelchair ass tanks.
Don't stress meta as tank. If you are doing anything sub high 20's it truly doesn't matter. This is especially the case for BDK who can literally walk through low to mid 20s without a healer.
I dont think capability is the issue, its the mindset of the morons running the low 20s forcing God comp becuz of the stigma around meta@@talve8923
@@talve8923ye tank balance is usually "dont pick this 1 specific one..unless u really wanna" instead of "pick this one" which hey is good
@@trebortnulb5279they had 1 season as meta and 2 getting no invites… Fated season isn’t even real
I like it how no warlock specs are even in possible meta, while two mage specs are in possible meta and 2 dh specs are in meta :) guess I'm skipping another season of m+ being a warlock/ret player
Really appreciate the videos and insight!
First Dorki comment. The pinnacle of my life :D
VDH has been my favorite spec in the game for a while, but let's be honest, it feels so bad bringing a Veng and Havoc to every dungeon.
no let dh have their season tired of stupid mages every time
havoc was literally meta Season 1 lmao. VDH hasnt been meta since SL S1 tho@@icswack6015
@@icswack6015 DH having a shine quite a lot since legion, for how easy they are, especially with their mobility, I don't mind seeing them relegated over other classes.
@@Musiclover4822 dh is not easy. Maybe in legion but not now
@@icswack6015 Easier than other melee specs, just infinitely, they just have less resources/cds or dots to maintain.
thanks! there will be tank guides or dungeon guides for 10.2?
might have some for tank stuff or the harder dungeons!
@@Dorkiwould love some fast tldr things to watch out for or know as tank in new dungeon recaps for new season !
Hi Dorki - Can you please share a good talent build for all tanks for Amidrasil
So the last one wasn't the official giga tierlist afterall. my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
How is resto shaman damage? I'm so worried about my main going to 10.2 -_-
its not bad
ok thhanks! @@Dorki
Destro Woot! 🔥
I want the comp be Prot warrior, Outlaw Rogue, Enhance, Aug, and resto druid.
10.2 Aug nerfs not enough?
Nop, they have to ANNIHILATE them to make them not meta. They give too much to heals and tanks so they are still good if they do 'decent' damage at best.
god forbid brewmaster being top tank for 1 fking season :D
it was giga strong in bfa, the reason brm will never be meta is its "high complexity" compared to other tanks for average frogs
you forgot about 2x havoc comp
I hope the Aug nerfs killed the spec from being the top spec in M+
Dude ranks stuff what he sees on stream xD … This ranking list is as relevant as this dude I never heard about…
Can you redo the list and maybe move every spec I play from viable to meta? Thanks....😢
The naguura clip 😂😂
“Its rogue so its unkillable “ yeah right
Most pugs don't know what an interrupt is or how to use defensives. I'd often be the last alive on my rogue after a wipe
If you know how to use your kit as a rogue, yeah, you're one of the most survivable classes in M+
This really upsets me.. warrior still being at the bottom of the tierlist just makes me quit being a warrior main.
dont worry the legendary will surely be a big upgrade for all 2h str users
When did we move from "Good-medium-bad" to "meta- possible meta - goodge - viable"? Do we need to protect someone feeling by labelling the lowest / weakest tier "viable" instead of "worse than every other tank" ?
cause idiots think classes arent viable for their 20-25 keys
@@Dorki every class is with no means able to to Keys up to 25. Up until there it does more count on if the player knows how to to play the class. Only above that the "potential" is needed where you then need to be pretty good in you class AND it must have at least sort of a higher powerlevel.
Still got ptsd and surely will have again on those +16s "Aug pls" keys.
It's okay, I still managed to be offended.
@@Dorki Your audience isn't looking for tips on their weekly +20 tho.... other than how to get high-paying sales at convenient times ( if you have tips on that, go ahead)