:UPDATE: Richard the Lionheart has had ascension added. This brings his new totals to 25 Atk, 50 Def, 55 HP to each troop type for 5 Red stars. His new total stats is 2486. He is still terrible as an assistant, and his specialties are still terrible, but if you fully ascend him he is now a viable defense for free to play. He'll be easier to ascend than Dewey or Taylor, and is the most balanced defense for a F2P player at the moment. His attack buff is still Pretty low, but he'll still be good.
Thanks for fixing this. Late game Lionheart is excellent for low spenders. Top 2-3 siege buffs once ascended and you don’t have to waste runes spec’ing him out. Pair him with a solid siege assistant and throw a few fully ascended Catherine’s on subs and you are well on your way to a solid siege defense.
@@DerrickDefies Well she's deficiently better than she was lol. The update to her gave her 35 atk, 40 def, 35hp, at full ascension. That calculates to 2320 total buff and puts her with the rest of the free generals. She's also only in the great general chest, so much harder to ascend than Richard. The only use case I could see for her is if you really want that 400% protection from troop upkeep from her final specialty and base skill. Personally I wish they had doubled down on her RSS production with her updated skill and given us a reason to farm her.
@@Maath_Faseli I think the whole point of Richard/Shajar is that you don't have to do the final specs - i.e. you should competely ignore Shajar's extra protection from troop upkeep. That way, you get to do a final spec instead on a duty gen or sub gen. If you spend a lot of money then yeah, Leo, Taylor, etc. are better but I think the bet is that Richard/Shajar + a duty/sub gen with a complete final spec is better than Taylor (fully specced) and no final spec on the duty/sub gen. Some of the final specs on those other gens are really good - like Ashoka's is a flat 20% buff to ranged attack across the board everywhere.
Someone in my alliance pointed out that atk needs to be weighed more heavily in these comparisons because we can get bulk from duty general ascensions but it's really hard to get atk out of duty general ascensions. This is quite relevant for Yi Sun-Sin (who, by the way, used to be in relics). His raw number is on the low side but it balances heavily toward atk. I recommend Trajan over Soult for attacking because after we add the ground atk book, Trajan actually has the better skill. Not necessarily better buffs when leading because his atk stat is really low, but Soult has a pretty wretched ascension by my standards so I wouldn't want to lead with him either. On another note, Red Evony compared Takenaka to other generals as an assistant and my impression was that he's actually worse than those who entered before him such as Leo III.
Realistically you need 6 Gold Flat HP refines, and similar in Attack Flat refines, if you want your T1 Cav to tank hits from bigger castles. This leaves very little to buff your archers and or seige in your proposed defence.
Yeah I've used an ascended Boudica with Koryo and all flats and Mounted HP flats on a level 15 thebes. I do pretty well. I'm k39 m41 4.5b 700m t1's small layers and 2 of each March.
2 generals who aren't wall generals but work great as wall generals/assistants, who you forgot to mention - Edward Teach and Mason Weaver. They make good assistants too.
Almost any general will work as an assistant on the wall. Obviously some much better than others. Many players will use a "marching" general as assistant
I rock a fully ascended Richard the lionheart and he's pretty good. gives more siege HP than the likes of Leo III, Marshal, Dewey, etc. I wouldn't just toss him out of the conversation.
Damn you're right, I forgot to check in game if they had added ascension for Richard; the website I use hasn't updated their article about him. Adding the new ascension ads 50 def, 55 hp, and 25, atk to everyone, so that actually makes him a viable defense now. Leo III and Takenaka are still better defenses, but for a free general he's pretty good! Thanks for the comment!
@@Maath_FaseliYeah, from the base skill we'd think there's no way this guy could be any good, but his ascension is shockingly strong to the point where he's one of the best f2p options.
Hi sir. Need a recommendation based off your extensive knowledge. Long story short, Zach is maxed specialties, archer layers are 1 million from t1-t14 and I will build more eventually. My siege layers will stay at 300k but I plan on making lots of t11 for small siege bombs. Should I max Leo 3 or Dewey specialties? Dewey has more archer buffs which is what my keep is made for, leo has more overall % for troops and siege. Can't decide, really in limbo since I don't have enough for both specials.
I want to replace the generals in the battle with anothers but i don't know how.. the resign button is just for the gate .. the battle field I don't know how to replace them
Hi, what about Mason Weaver? I’m using Boudica plus her, with t1 meat shield… but I’m seriously thinking to pass to Taylor like main. Can I ask you to explain well that part about Taylor? I’m not sure to have understood: with a meat shield and Taylor, to protect my archers, should I build also a siege t1 wall or what?
So the part about Taylor is based on the way the game mechanics work. I recommend this video by Derrick Defies to explain the mechanics that allow this to work ua-cam.com/video/zaM5ajYqudE/v-deo.html Basically, with a T1 mounted wall, enemy ground, mounted, and archers will only attack the T1 mounted once your ground are dead. Enemy siege will target your ranged as soon as they can, but once they can target your T1 siege wall they will leave your archers alone. Mason isn't good on the wall, here stats are low. If you wanted to go all in on ranged defense Minamoto, Louis IX, or Subutai are better as defense assistants, but I wouldn't recommend that. to assist Taylor I would recommend Takenaka if you can get him, Yodo-dono to buff ranged, Leo III to buff siege, or William Marshal for both. With all that said, it's worth considering Richard the Lionheart since he got a rework. He's very balanced and has high stats. Hope this helps
@@Maath_Faseli thank you very much. Last time I tryed it against an expert enemy that used a siege march, t11 focused. His target was my unghosted siege with not good buffs. I won the exchange but not with a big difference. About Mason I was using her, with divine beast, because considering full stats and specialities buffs, like assistant, seems the best ranged+sieged option. Evonywiki consider her like the third best overall after Takenaka and Marshall with skin. I also have some doubts about refinements. If flat mounted HP are sure, what about attack and defense? They should flat buff the meat shield or better if % buff archers? Concluding, about Richard the Lioneheart… I just discovered that is a good free option 🙈
@@user-gb3gm1nl3m The thing with Mason is that she isn't a defense general, if you're using a non defense general normally it's to go all in. Right now I'm using Trajan/Sweyn until I can fully ascend Richard. If you're just looking for someone to do both ranged/siege until you get Leo or Marshal then then she's a valid choice. Refines are an interesting topic, it really depends on the type of defense you want to use. So a true T1 mounted wall needs to do two things, kill any ground/mounted march in as few rounds as possible, and soak any ranged march. To kill the ground/mounted you can either refine for attack or build a crazy amount of T1s, like 500M. To stop ranged you can either refine HP or build a crazy amount. Keep in mind the way you refine will affect your power exchange against either march. With the way the mechanics work if you have a huge T1 wall it's better to refine for HP, since you will receive attacks from archers no matter how many you build. If you want to refine for archer attack then it isn't really a true T1 wall, it's an archer defense with T1 wall. That means your T1 wall will take more damage so you need to kill them quick, if your archers aren't strong enough you'll lose the power exchange. With this strategy you'll be vulnerable to a strong ground march. The way I recommend using Taylor is in a true T1 wall. Since % buffs are tiny for T1s, I would rather buff my archers with % buffs from my general and keep them safe. That way I can still buff my T1 mounted with flat refiles and still buff other troops with my general. Of course there are other strategies for defense, like the well rounded with Richard or a siege defense.
@@Maath_Faseli oh, nice! Thank you, so I just need to swipe gears from Boudica to new general. I have already flat refined all pieces with 3 gold flat mounted buff. Like numbers I’m using 300M t1 and 100M t2 right now, with 8 sub generals full geared. I just need to improve all buffs reachable by a k36 Just a note about Mason, of course I meant like assistant. (In my case to work with Boudica). Best player on my server suggested to use Dewey, but Mason is definitely his best version excluding the ascension buffs. 🙈 140% total buff, second only to Marshal with skin (160%). Leo and Marshall without skin reach both about the half total buff. So, to conclude, my next thought I guess should be compare: 1) the % buff contribute of my new potential general (Taylor) with my actual assistant (Mason) that is buffing my archers and siege 2) the basic stats of my new potential general (Taylor) with my actual main general (Boudica). Probably I should wait a bit, like you are doing for Richard, considering my 9-stars boudica and my potential taylor with only 6-stars
How is minamoto a good wall assistant? His skill and final special need dragon. Wouldn't both of those not activate as assistant? Or are archer backups that bad that Mina is really the best we can get?
yes he needs a dragon, but as an assistant you can still give him a dragon to activate the skill, but the dragon won't be active. In terms of raw numbers Minomoto gives you the most for your archers; however, that's all he gives and I would recommend a more well rounded assistant.
I'm a couple of months late, but thanks. My Zachary is almost maxed 4th specialty so I came back to refresh myself. Looks I'm going leo. I like the idea of making a huge siege t1 and mounted t1, maybe even ground to protect all my archers. Appreciate your hard work.
I do have 1 question. I have ground attack 960. Defense 800. And hp 750. At which point do I need to worry about cav. Could I still do ok against a keep of cav against 400 stats
I was thinking of switching to lion heart he has higher siege hp percentage then Leo 111 but not sure if he has the best potential but if your trying to buff up your siege think lion heart is good free to play general
since ascension (Red stars) aren't active for the assistant it does matter who you choose. Dewey is strong for archers/siege, but weak on ground. Taylor is strong on archers, the others are mediocre. Richard the Lionheart is very balanced across the board. If you use Dewey as the main you'll need to have a ground assistant. If Taylor is the main you'll want an assistant who is balanced. If you use Richard you can use pretty much any assistant, but most people prefer a siege assistant with him. Hope that helps
@@Maath_Faseli If Richard the Lionheart is balances across the board and If Taylor as main needs assist who is balanced then can't it be Taylor main, Richard assistant? Tyvm it does really helped,.
@@relax_nature8057 No because richard is only good once he has full red stars, and those can't be used on an assistant. William Marshal, Lautaro, Takenaka, or leonidas would work with Taylor
I think Soult or Trajan do a better job of being a temporary defense general than Robert. The only reason you'd want to use one of the last four generals is their versatility, and Robert isn't as good on the attack as Trajan or Soult.
:UPDATE:
Richard the Lionheart has had ascension added.
This brings his new totals to 25 Atk, 50 Def, 55 HP to each troop type for 5 Red stars. His new total stats is 2486. He is still terrible as an assistant, and his specialties are still terrible, but if you fully ascend him he is now a viable defense for free to play. He'll be easier to ascend than Dewey or Taylor, and is the most balanced defense for a F2P player at the moment. His attack buff is still Pretty low, but he'll still be good.
Thanks for fixing this. Late game Lionheart is excellent for low spenders. Top 2-3 siege buffs once ascended and you don’t have to waste runes spec’ing him out. Pair him with a solid siege assistant and throw a few fully ascended Catherine’s on subs and you are well on your way to a solid siege defense.
@@AOW_Jedi I'll have to watch out for evony adding ascension to old generals in the future, Richard really went from 0 to hero lol.
@@Maath_Faseli Yeah take a look at Shajar as well. The ascensions make her less terrible on the wall
@@DerrickDefies Well she's deficiently better than she was lol. The update to her gave her 35 atk, 40 def, 35hp, at full ascension. That calculates to 2320 total buff and puts her with the rest of the free generals. She's also only in the great general chest, so much harder to ascend than Richard. The only use case I could see for her is if you really want that 400% protection from troop upkeep from her final specialty and base skill. Personally I wish they had doubled down on her RSS production with her updated skill and given us a reason to farm her.
@@Maath_Faseli I think the whole point of Richard/Shajar is that you don't have to do the final specs - i.e. you should competely ignore Shajar's extra protection from troop upkeep. That way, you get to do a final spec instead on a duty gen or sub gen. If you spend a lot of money then yeah, Leo, Taylor, etc. are better but I think the bet is that Richard/Shajar + a duty/sub gen with a complete final spec is better than Taylor (fully specced) and no final spec on the duty/sub gen. Some of the final specs on those other gens are really good - like Ashoka's is a flat 20% buff to ranged attack across the board everywhere.
Availability is the best ability. This is why for me Queen B is the one to go for. I have her fully ascended and all recruited from Tavern
Thanks for compiling these stats! BTW... the pronounciation of Jadwiga = Yahdveegah
I'll try to get it next time haha
Someone in my alliance pointed out that atk needs to be weighed more heavily in these comparisons because we can get bulk from duty general ascensions but it's really hard to get atk out of duty general ascensions.
This is quite relevant for Yi Sun-Sin (who, by the way, used to be in relics). His raw number is on the low side but it balances heavily toward atk.
I recommend Trajan over Soult for attacking because after we add the ground atk book, Trajan actually has the better skill. Not necessarily better buffs when leading because his atk stat is really low, but Soult has a pretty wretched ascension by my standards so I wouldn't want to lead with him either.
On another note, Red Evony compared Takenaka to other generals as an assistant and my impression was that he's actually worse than those who entered before him such as Leo III.
Look at the assistant tab on my spreadsheet I linked, the assistant you choose is personal preference, but Takenaka is by no means a weak assistant.
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Helpful! Thanks!
Realistically you need 6 Gold Flat HP refines, and similar in Attack Flat refines, if you want your T1 Cav to tank hits from bigger castles. This leaves very little to buff your archers and or seige in your proposed defence.
Yeah I've used an ascended Boudica with Koryo and all flats and Mounted HP flats on a level 15 thebes. I do pretty well. I'm k39 m41 4.5b 700m t1's small layers and 2 of each March.
2 generals who aren't wall generals but work great as wall generals/assistants, who you forgot to mention - Edward Teach and Mason Weaver. They make good assistants too.
Their basic skill says 'leading the army to attack' how can u say u can use them as an assistant wall gen
Almost any general will work as an assistant on the wall. Obviously some much better than others. Many players will use a "marching" general as assistant
@@muhammadtsani4110 Their skill says "when leading the army", not "when leading the army to attack", so you can use them as assistants.
I use Teach as assistant..is a beast for sieges
I rock a fully ascended Richard the lionheart and he's pretty good. gives more siege HP than the likes of Leo III, Marshal, Dewey, etc. I wouldn't just toss him out of the conversation.
Damn you're right, I forgot to check in game if they had added ascension for Richard; the website I use hasn't updated their article about him. Adding the new ascension ads 50 def, 55 hp, and 25, atk to everyone, so that actually makes him a viable defense now. Leo III and Takenaka are still better defenses, but for a free general he's pretty good! Thanks for the comment!
@@Maath_FaseliYeah, from the base skill we'd think there's no way this guy could be any good, but his ascension is shockingly strong to the point where he's one of the best f2p options.
Im switching to richard as my main because of his in city troop attack with Marshall as assist, for my low coin defense keep...
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Hi sir. Need a recommendation based off your extensive knowledge. Long story short, Zach is maxed specialties, archer layers are 1 million from t1-t14 and I will build more eventually. My siege layers will stay at 300k but I plan on making lots of t11 for small siege bombs. Should I max Leo 3 or Dewey specialties? Dewey has more archer buffs which is what my keep is made for, leo has more overall % for troops and siege. Can't decide, really in limbo since I don't have enough for both specials.
Leo 3 is the better assistant
@@Maath_Faseli asked and answered, you just saved me. 30 minutes to bog.
I use boudica with leonidas
Me too. Ascended, Koryo, thebes at 15, flats, all 5 specials gold. K39 4.5b, I do well
I want to replace the generals in the battle with anothers but i don't know how.. the resign button is just for the gate .. the battle field I don't know how to replace them
Shajar?
Takenaka doesn't pair with Leo, just FYI
Pure skill and strategy 😂 Yeah they should change the name of this game to Stopwatch.
Hi, what about Mason Weaver? I’m using Boudica plus her, with t1 meat shield… but I’m seriously thinking to pass to Taylor like main. Can I ask you to explain well that part about Taylor? I’m not sure to have understood: with a meat shield and Taylor, to protect my archers, should I build also a siege t1 wall or what?
So the part about Taylor is based on the way the game mechanics work. I recommend this video by Derrick Defies to explain the mechanics that allow this to work ua-cam.com/video/zaM5ajYqudE/v-deo.html Basically, with a T1 mounted wall, enemy ground, mounted, and archers will only attack the T1 mounted once your ground are dead. Enemy siege will target your ranged as soon as they can, but once they can target your T1 siege wall they will leave your archers alone. Mason isn't good on the wall, here stats are low. If you wanted to go all in on ranged defense Minamoto, Louis IX, or Subutai are better as defense assistants, but I wouldn't recommend that. to assist Taylor I would recommend Takenaka if you can get him, Yodo-dono to buff ranged, Leo III to buff siege, or William Marshal for both. With all that said, it's worth considering Richard the Lionheart since he got a rework. He's very balanced and has high stats.
Hope this helps
@@Maath_Faseli thank you very much. Last time I tryed it against an expert enemy that used a siege march, t11 focused. His target was my unghosted siege with not good buffs. I won the exchange but not with a big difference.
About Mason I was using her, with divine beast, because considering full stats and specialities buffs, like assistant, seems the best ranged+sieged option. Evonywiki consider her like the third best overall after Takenaka and Marshall with skin.
I also have some doubts about refinements. If flat mounted HP are sure, what about attack and defense? They should flat buff the meat shield or better if % buff archers?
Concluding, about Richard the Lioneheart… I just discovered that is a good free option 🙈
@@user-gb3gm1nl3m The thing with Mason is that she isn't a defense general, if you're using a non defense general normally it's to go all in. Right now I'm using Trajan/Sweyn until I can fully ascend Richard. If you're just looking for someone to do both ranged/siege until you get Leo or Marshal then then she's a valid choice.
Refines are an interesting topic, it really depends on the type of defense you want to use. So a true T1 mounted wall needs to do two things, kill any ground/mounted march in as few rounds as possible, and soak any ranged march. To kill the ground/mounted you can either refine for attack or build a crazy amount of T1s, like 500M. To stop ranged you can either refine HP or build a crazy amount. Keep in mind the way you refine will affect your power exchange against either march. With the way the mechanics work if you have a huge T1 wall it's better to refine for HP, since you will receive attacks from archers no matter how many you build.
If you want to refine for archer attack then it isn't really a true T1 wall, it's an archer defense with T1 wall. That means your T1 wall will take more damage so you need to kill them quick, if your archers aren't strong enough you'll lose the power exchange. With this strategy you'll be vulnerable to a strong ground march.
The way I recommend using Taylor is in a true T1 wall. Since % buffs are tiny for T1s, I would rather buff my archers with % buffs from my general and keep them safe. That way I can still buff my T1 mounted with flat refiles and still buff other troops with my general.
Of course there are other strategies for defense, like the well rounded with Richard or a siege defense.
@@Maath_Faseli oh, nice! Thank you, so I just need to swipe gears from Boudica to new general. I have already flat refined all pieces with 3 gold flat mounted buff. Like numbers I’m using 300M t1 and 100M t2 right now, with 8 sub generals full geared. I just need to improve all buffs reachable by a k36
Just a note about Mason, of course I meant like assistant. (In my case to work with Boudica). Best player on my server suggested to use Dewey, but Mason is definitely his best version excluding the ascension buffs. 🙈 140% total buff, second only to Marshal with skin (160%). Leo and Marshall without skin reach both about the half total buff.
So, to conclude, my next thought I guess should be compare:
1) the % buff contribute of my new potential general (Taylor) with my actual assistant (Mason) that is buffing my archers and siege
2) the basic stats of my new potential general (Taylor) with my actual main general (Boudica).
Probably I should wait a bit, like you are doing for Richard, considering my 9-stars boudica and my potential taylor with only 6-stars
How is minamoto a good wall assistant? His skill and final special need dragon. Wouldn't both of those not activate as assistant? Or are archer backups that bad that Mina is really the best we can get?
yes he needs a dragon, but as an assistant you can still give him a dragon to activate the skill, but the dragon won't be active. In terms of raw numbers Minomoto gives you the most for your archers; however, that's all he gives and I would recommend a more well rounded assistant.
I'm a couple of months late, but thanks. My Zachary is almost maxed 4th specialty so I came back to refresh myself. Looks I'm going leo. I like the idea of making a huge siege t1 and mounted t1, maybe even ground to protect all my archers. Appreciate your hard work.
Trajan and leonidas or robert the bruce for ground f2p. Minamoto and Weaver or taylor for archer attack % on t1 defense for f2p
I have the new Brock guy with Leonidas on my wall.
Great combo, your ground troops are going to be insane
@@Maath_Faseli haven't done much with gear yet. We're still kinda new.
@@alexandernelson477 You need a video on general gear?
@@Maath_Faseli I've played before, although it's been a long time. And I've watched that video already 😊
I do have 1 question. I have ground attack 960. Defense 800. And hp 750. At which point do I need to worry about cav. Could I still do ok against a keep of cav against 400 stats
Richard has poor stats, but great red stars. Is he worth investing in as a ftp?
He's definitely worth the investment, he has the highest overall buffs for F2P
@@Maath_Faseli thank you 🙏
I was thinking of switching to lion heart he has higher siege hp percentage then Leo 111 but not sure if he has the best potential but if your trying to buff up your siege think lion heart is good free to play general
Richard is a very solid defense general. I'd definitely recommend him
@@Maath_Faseli thanks for the vids and the work you put in those charts look like a pain
Okay Dewey + Zachary Taylor for free player. Got it! Which one should be the assistant, does it matter?
since ascension (Red stars) aren't active for the assistant it does matter who you choose. Dewey is strong for archers/siege, but weak on ground. Taylor is strong on archers, the others are mediocre. Richard the Lionheart is very balanced across the board. If you use Dewey as the main you'll need to have a ground assistant. If Taylor is the main you'll want an assistant who is balanced. If you use Richard you can use pretty much any assistant, but most people prefer a siege assistant with him. Hope that helps
@@Maath_Faseli If Richard the Lionheart is balances across the board and If Taylor as main needs assist who is balanced then can't it be Taylor main, Richard assistant? Tyvm it does really helped,.
@@relax_nature8057 No because richard is only good once he has full red stars, and those can't be used on an assistant. William Marshal, Lautaro, Takenaka, or leonidas would work with Taylor
@@Maath_Faseli tyvm really appreciate it! 👍
Dewey is not ftp, wth are you talking about?
I am using Taylor+ marshal 😅
Thx! what about Robert the Bruce?
I think Soult or Trajan do a better job of being a temporary defense general than Robert. The only reason you'd want to use one of the last four generals is their versatility, and Robert isn't as good on the attack as Trajan or Soult.
Zachary over Richard? 😢
Trajan march size makes him better than soult 😊
Well after realizing Richard was updated, I think they're both good choices. As for Soult and Trajan I am still undecided
March size has no benefit or effect for a defense general. March size is only helpful for attacking.
@@wickedclownluve we know that lmao 🤭 I'm referring to trajan as overall general because it was mentioned in video soult is better.
@@Ebilpuyan Video is about defense and he was talking about defense only and not about overall.
@@ivanr.1005 The video is about defense but when trajan was compared to soult the context was as overall general, did you even watch the vid?