Ultimate TCG Tier List (2024)
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
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There are an overwhelming number of trading card games available on the market, from the big boys like Pokémon & Magic: The Gathering to the new indies such as Flesh and Blood TCG & MetaZoo.
Sahd and Fez are here to help, with a TCG Tier List!
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Nearly didn’t watch at all because FaB wasn’t there. In case that’s you, they add it later
Digimon is the only TCG i have gone to locals just to play, and man its so fun, and the people that play it are so chill and excited to see players joining.
Agreed on the placement of Flesh and Blood. It brought me back into TCGs after I abandoned the hobby in the late 90s when I "outgrew" Pokemon.
Same, the change from Pokemon to FaB was quite the shock lol. The skill ceiling change was insane
Sold my 90's Mtg. After a long pause I'm in to FaB. Love it ❤
Digimon is hands down the most fun TCG I've ever played! The memory gauge is the most unique part of it and it's what prevents long combos like you are forced to sit through in Yu-Gi-Oh
I think digimon is pretty toxic
@@thekillercub274how so? Player base or gameplay?
@MannyGamboaTV honestly the gameplay is the most luck based and sacky tcg for me. Decks require alot of moving pieces, most gameplay feels unsafe unless you get to your decks top end. Most games seem to be decided on who gets a level 6 and if your opponent can counter with thier own level 6 or its gg. Removal also seems to be an auto lose at times from how much memory it takes to build a decent stack and again the pieces to rebuild if it gets removed.
@@MannyGamboaTV Figures that guy couldn't answer a simple question you asked. Anytime when I genuinely want to have a discussion like an adult with a person who doesn't like something (can be anything) or labels stuff as "toxic", they always disappear into the wind because they have no real argument to support their claims other than their own say so with zero evidence.
As someone who plays very competitively, I couldn’t agree more. That said, I do like Lilith looping because I’m a sicko
We Digimon TCG players are here, even tho we are few
I think Lorcana should be higher. As a former mtg player, it is the perfect game for a 30 something to get into as a casual hobby. Great art, but most important, it actually has appeal for women and I can play with my wife (makes all the difference). Also, the DLCs are selling out in literal minutes, so I think the competitive game is healthy for now.
Yugioh player here who has tried and failed to get my girlfriend to play many times. I told her about Lorcana recently and she actually seems very interested, unlike with yugioh, so I VERY much agree with this.
I like how you gave a really fair summary of Yugioh. It seems like the game is mostly blindly hated by people who just aren't into the complexity or blindly supported by the top pros who can't understand why someone would just want a chill game to play. When yugioh has a good format, it is THE BEST competitive TCG in my opinion (in terms of gameplay/skill not prizing), and when it is in a bad format, the casual experience becomes intolerable.
Hard disagree. Yugi was my only game for many years. There used to be a time when a refined understanding of the rules gave you an edge throughout tournaments, but it's quickly turned into niche moments where that's the case. Unstable power creep led the game to a position where cards win more games than players do. Actual gameplay is simply a test of memory. The best line is so obvious that it's almost screaming at you. Since I left and ventured out to new games, I've come across plenty of games more intellectually stimulating. One of them is One Piece, and my god, the prize support is millions of years ahead of Yugi, which is a legacy game. Just brutal.
@@Gagunk. I think calling Yugioh a test of memory kinda shows that you are either being bad faith or displays that you don't know what you are talking about. You can have your opinion or whatever, but stuff like Tear Zero or even post Tear Zero, when AGOV first got released had some of the most complex and interesting gameplay in a tcg that I have ever seen. If you go to a tournmanent having just memorized combos, you weren't going to win. Decks like Tear, Labrynth, and Unchained take the uptmost skill to pilot correcty.
Yes, it depends on the format, but I think good yugioh formats have the most skill based gameplay a tcg has to offer. And I'm not really sure how you could disagree unless you have been misinformed about most games ending turn 1, or the game just being about memorizing combos. I think this is displayed the most when players make mistakes in navigating board states like the incident at the most recent YCS.
As someone who has played One Piece, I think the game is very fun on a casual level and has better prize support tho.
@SeveNStarSeveN I haven't played since 2018. My opinion stems from experience spanning over a decade in the game. Any thoughts on the current meta are from the many complaints from local players that I'm still friends with that bring it up to vent. Needless to say, it has the highest turnover rate among card games for a reason.
You might disagree with my take, but my opinions are the furthest from bad faith or ignorance. Throughout my time playing yugi, there have been decks that have been harder to pilot than others, but generally, the only people that made reference to how hard a particular deck is to pilot to the point of hyperbole like the post above, have been players that aren't very good at the game.
Now, I'm not saying that it's not complicated for the players saying it is. Just that the degree of complexity is going to vary from person to person. One mans complicated is another mans simple. The first thing I noticed after leaving yugi for other games was the quality of players drastically improving. Good players from mtg, fab, db, op, lorcana, pokemon, etc, are way more likely to try and thrive in other card games. Most top yugi players ik have attempted to venture out into other games and very quickly realize they wanted to stay in their lane.
If you're in the competitive scene and attend events, I can actually have you meet with several grinders with loads of ycs and national tops between them who all readily admit yugi is simpler than most games, but it's what they enjoy. I'd argue they enjoy winning more than the actual game, and yea, it's definitely not for the prize support 😆
@@Gagunk. Yugioh is more popular than it has been ever. We literally have record YCS Turnout, and Yeah sorry you are being bad faith. Nobody thinks Lorcana, Digimon, Pokemon, One Piece, etc is more complicated than Yugioh. Only magic is on a similar level. It is literally a meme like the person said in the video, "I'm not smart enough to play yugioh."
I have played Yugioh, Pokemon, Magic for over a decade, and I've also played and tried One Piece, Cardfight Vanguard, Flesh and Blood, Digimon, and Lorcana. You have no idea what you are talking about and are speaking for ignorance and bad faith if you think Yugioh is less complicated than Pokemon. Not even Pokemon fans say this.
They wanted to stay in Yugioh because it's more competitive you loser. "One mans complicated is another mans simple." Nobody has ever said Yugioh is too simple, the number 1 complaint about the game is that it is to complicated. You are just lying about champions saying that Yugioh is too simple. You can look at people like Joshua Schmidt who came back to Yugioh after trying pokemon, because games like Pokemon are just not as fun competitively.
You trust random people at your locals over professionals, wow maybe they suck at the game and that's why they are complaining, just like you. If Yugioh is so simple, then why do Yugioh players who attend other card games end up winning their events by barely knowing their rules. We've literally seen Yugioh players sweeping up Lorcana events barely knowing the game because the game is that simplistic. They then return to Yugioh after because they realize how brain numbing playing some of these games is on a high level other than stuff like Yugioh, which is a complex game.
So get good. Try navigating a full tear board with mannadium or some stuff and then talk to me about simplicity, LOL. Don't even know what you are talking about. You were probably so bad you quit during Gumblar format. Hey if you've played Yugioh for over 10 years can you explain LFPA?
going first in yugioh is broken, not complex
I compete heavily in the Digimon TCG. It’s great, we still get solid regional sizes, and the local scene for me at least is decent but not great. One of my favorite games I ever played. Current format is great, although a bit competitive skewed, as it’s hard to compete with rogue decks at the moment.
Fab is awesome
What also makes it so good is that I can see it being alive 5~10 years from now, cant say that about licensed IP games, especially Bandai games(they have just "killed" their DBS masters games)
Been on FAB since day one. Its the best TCG I’ve ever played
I'm jealous that I didn't start sooner!
Digimon has the best system I have played in a long time. I’ve played most of these and just like it the most when it comes to overall gameplay. If you haven’t tried it highly recommend.
So happy to see love for Digimon! I absolutely agree that it's super underrated, and I feel like if bandai released on online version they would find it blowing up since you really just need to try it for a few games before it hooks you.
Also, as someone who played Commander regularly for nearly a decade, I can say that wizards has in fact ruined the format for a lot of people. They turned a format which was largely about creative expression and using cards that didn't fit elsewhere into a semi-rotating format that requires you to always be building with the newest staples
I would lose my shit if they made a digital Digimon card game client. Please Bandai!
We totally feel the same about commander. It's really not what it once was.
Flesh and Blood is very pog. It's an amazing game. Skillful, the company genuinely cares and engages with the community, the variance is at a point where skill values the player, but the variance is fun for new players, and the sets coming out are unique. A++ game.
It so hard to fault LSS. We've had some distribution issues here in the UK so I reached out to them and they actually responded to me and helped in redirecting me to a new supply chain they created for the issue. LSS have a lot of heart and care so much for their community.
You say Lorcana won’t be around for long? Pretty bold statement my friend. I say it’ll stick around and be one of the top tcg.
Started TCGs with MTG when was about 11 years old. Fast fast forward 22 years, and FaB is by far the best TCG to have ever come out in my opinion.
I played mtg since 1994 with a collection worth over 270k.
Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever.
Sad to see that Battle Spirit Saga isnt in the list.
Once you dive a bit into it its easy to see that it is the best of the Bandai games. I have played db,op,yugioh,vanguard,mtg for reference
Good Day Gathering Games!, as a Digimon Card Game creator it fills me with glee that you've played it and actually see it for what it is (a very well rounded game with interesting mechanics) Unfortunately for us BT15 did get a massive pre release nerf because it was the only time it had created a T0 Meta in Digimon, and was next to impossible to play anything other then Apocalymon (70% win rate in Japan) BT15 did end up being one of the most diverse formats we've ever had with well over a dozen decks been good enough for competitive play, BT16 has introduced some interesting cards allowing for more decks to take advantage of the Ukkomon Engine as well as the new Lv6 Ace's causing all sorts of chaos. i'm not sure how long ago this video was recorded but EX06 has also dropped and has had 2 Regionals with it's release and, for the most part besides introducing some new fan favourite cards and archetypes probably won't be doing much in the coming days, that said BT17 will be adding yet another round of support for many decks that are still seeing success both competitively and causally, EX07 with the structure decks looks to be the best jumping in point for new players so hopefully new tamers will be looking to join the game in the new school year
I didn't think I'd love SW unlimited like I do. The prerelease for the new set was crazy fun.
I'm on the same boat entirely! It's way better than I ever expected it to be 😅
@@GatheringGames if only... Wish Shatterpoint came out 2nd 😂
@@HighCouncilStudios lol! Shatterpoint is a decent system. But yeah, SWU is more my cup of tea.
@@GatheringGames last game I will play was my first or 2nd tournament.
I spent 2 full rounds trying to get a Mando off a core box terrain my b1 couldn't fit on. I never drew the b1 while we were competing each rd.
I scored 1 each turn from round 2-3.
Update: I love this game, Bought 2 boxes, and have my solo deck nearly done. Who wants to buy my Shatterpoint stuff?
Star Wars placement seems spot on. Both set 1 and set 2 are outstanding and if it keeps up at this pace it could easily be an S tier card game
Used to play yugioh a lot but now I am all in for pokemon, I love it so far. After hearing you guys talk about Digimon I definitely interested 👀
It's worth a try! It has some overlap with pokemon with the evolutions, but has some other cool system that I think make it more interesting than pokemon.
Weiss schwarz is a competitive game and lots of fun. It does have some people who just collect cards because their favorite IP joins but outside of that the community for this game is thriving and has been on going for over 10 years now. It's worth learning and has some cool interesting mechanics that are not used in every tcg. If you ever need someone to help go over it with you let me know. I've competed at worlds and have won and topped tons of regionals for the game. Though I've been taking a break from it since the meta for the game right now is pretty horrible.
Awesome! It sounds like I really need to give it a shot.
Your content looks great BTW! What's the current state of Shadowverse evolve? Looked really promising at set one, but honestly didn't follow so much after that.
@@GatheringGames I love the game and it has been my main physical game since set 1 release. It had a rough start due to the competitive circuit being an invite only for regional events but have since threw that system out for open events.
The newest set has been one of the big turning point in the game for the english release. When the current set was released in Japan it was praised as the big turning point for the game as it found it's direction and brought out more unique and fun decks.
SVE is a great game and worth trying out. It's probably one of the best times to get into the game imo as prices for singles right now are pretty affordable and they recently announced a tournament series that provides worlds invites.
I believe you guys are in EU from what I can tell from your content, (legit just found you guys from this video) I'm not super familiar with the EU market for the game though.
Digimon TCG now is what yugioh used to be for me when I was a child.
I've been playing Pokemon with my kids for a few years now and I generally didn't enjoy the lack of interaction in the game, but love to play with my young kids. An older player at the shop explained that Pokemon TCG is similar to playing chess. Chess is most people's introduction to strategy games.
A big issue I have with a lot of non-mtg games is the lack of formats. Like, the best format in magic the gathering is arguably limited (depending on the set) but there's SO many different ways to play the game with some having entirely different rules (standard, draft, sealed, modern, legacy, commander, pauper, cube, etc) which gives you as a player so many ways to play the game. I find that with other tcgs generally they have 'the way' to play the game with 'the rules', and then it's dependent on the cards to make the game interesting. And like, if you love the basic format of the game then that's great, but I like to be able to play with my cards in different ways and have a large community of people that are also interested in those modes of play.
Digimon ftw!! It is the most amazing tcg ive ever played and it deserves much more love!!
Loved magic but now flesh and blood is even more fun. Streamlined deck building system, dont really need all the good cards to be competing, cheap and expensive when it needs to be. Love the game
Agreed! I think the CC precons are a great step for accessibility too. If only they printed more of them...
Lorcana is having huge OP tournaments
Massive turnouts and sell outs. I don't think this fame is going anywhere
I love Lorcana, won two Stitches from set championships. Easy to learn, difficult to master. I disagree that the game is going away; I think it's here to stay and could be #4. That said, they're right that it is a simple game and hasn't experimented too much with unique mechanics. It is in a lot of ways a reboot of Magic and no interaction on the opponent's turn (which is debatable if that's a positive or negative). For the TCG enthusiast, I can understand it being in the "aite" tier.
I just won an Usurla’s tournament and I can say the game is a better MTG that is just starting, art and prices are really good. We need to wait for new game mechanics.
As far as a game goes, it’s not past b tier.
Flesh and blood is the best tcg ever
I like to think lorcana is great for beginers in the tcg world
Netrunner in S-Tier is all I needed to see 🙏
Man i dropped all of them but flesh and blood reignite that flame for tcg!! Buyed 1 box of Mistveil for 100 euros, found cards for more than 200 euro values and reselles!
DIGIMON IS FREAKING AWESOME! It's such a good tcg. Been hooked on it for a year now and bt16 was SUCH A GOOD SET! Can't wait for bt17. I would love for it to get a bigger community but my locals is FULL of one piece players... The digimon people are playing locals with 4-8 people a week...
@@DespairMagic I feel the pain bro, I'm gonna need to go to another city to play in Store Tournaments because there are few players in my locals atm.
Agree on flesh and blood
I just buy yesterday Flesh and blood history pack 1 from you guys now that i'm in vacation here in the Uk. I'm from Spain. And i don't know why but some stores in the Uk didn't had flesh and blood.I start learning 1 week ago. I fall in love with Flesh and blood.
Thanks so for the support! We really love FaB so we make an effort to keep it in stock. I hope you have fun cracking open HP1 when you finally get around to it :D
I will happily play Digimon with you guys! We have a community, it just doesn't feel like there are that many content creators for it. Loved the video, great job guys 😁
I played MTG competetively for 14 years. Traveled the world to play at GP's and local stores abroad.
When they started choking our wallets instead of making the game fun was when it started to fall down. I remember the early 2000's when a GP was a "magic"al experience. It felt like a one day nerdy indoor amusement park, and the price was reasonable. 30$ entry per person for a 2 headed sealed pool and both players got a playmat and dice on top of it.
But the last Legacy GP I played, I brought a 2500$ deck myself and still had to pay 50$ entry which only gave me a playmat. Limited GP's at that time were iirc well above 70$ entry.
If you hand that money back to your winners that's fine to me, but first place at GP only got 5000$. So with 2000 players attending, which was quite normal for a GP, out of 100k$ from entry alone, only a thin slice was handed back to the players. And they cut back on Pro Tours and other stuff too...
I still attended some Legacy GP's, funny enough at 50$ these were the most affordable because limited was jacked up high too, but when they announced no more Legacy GP's I said peace out.
Recently my son and I started playing Pokemon, and the limited does suck in comparision to MTG for sure, but
a) The game is dirt cheap to play
b) There are literally dozens of archetypes you can play and take down any tournament with
c) The prizing at these big tournaments are actually good (And will be better even starting next season)
d) Being an ex-mtg legacy player myself, I love to draw cards, combo etc... And decks in Pokemon tend to have lots of card drawing, synergies and little combos to try and win.
e) Last but not least, you get the feeling they want you to enjoy their game. Not give them all your money. Surely they would love that too, but they don't make it as obvious as WoTC.
I think Pokemon just get's the child treatment because that's where it started, but it's actually really good if you can see past that. And there's a reason it's worldwide the best selling tcg. (I am not sponsered btw lol)
Flesh and Blood is the most safe (money wise) and most fun (gameplay wise) a TCG can offer these days, the game is so much fun, the art, the heros, the lore, the card frames, everything is so incredible well designed and crafted that pales all other TCG's... and on top of that, LSS is a great company who made all efforts possible to give to us players the best experience they can with their game without bloodsucking all our money in everypossible way.
Without a doubt, LSS are total angels.
forgetting to add Flesh & Blood, then putting it in S tier describes so well in itself the place that the game is in
I play weiss schwarz, one piece, and magic. But there is a strong competitive scene in the socal scene. I think it's pretty fair bc you can stick to one set and you can play against almost any deck. It's the only game where you have to worry about your whole deck state bc will go through your deck two to three times a game. So that's where the skill in deck building is and knowing what's left in the deck. Also how damage is applied, even If you are behind, there is always a chance to win which can be salt inducing. But at least you can play from behind and still give a fighting chance which isn't the case in most tcg where if you are getting stomped, you feel there is no other option but to scoop
Digimon TCG has the most amazing art and the best game mechanics imo. It really saddens me to see how underrated it is :(
Sadly One Piece is stealing it's thunder, hoping for a migration of players when OP Meta becomes too unbearable(Not too far).
I love Digimon tcg it made me got back to play and collect, the alternatives are insane
Hadn't played tcgs for over 10 years and fab brought me back. Glad to see it up there.
It's reinvigorated my love of the space. FaB really is fab.
How many players does fab get for it's regionals?
Personally I think the Digimon placement is a really good call, and I can totally vibe with your S tier those are incredibly good picks tbh.
Also a neat mashup of old and new games on the tier list (you gotta check Altered out soon tho and also I think people asking for Grand Archive inclusion aren't too wrong about their game being good)
Everthing I've read about Altered has me so excited about it. Grand Archive is now on my radar too 😊
The problem with Yu-Gi-Oh is that people complain that it is too complicated, but those People only played the Yugi at the park watching a certain series that explained that era new evocation mechanic.
Now they try to join back and play their old favorite deck but don't think that as everything changes with time, Yugi changes too
I saw the Zexal series and played at school and started playing again during the pandemic era with master duel and now started playing irl with new discovered decks that I can enjoy, since I still like as a person, like the somewhat power creep, I agree that is a complicated game but it all depends if a person want to play the game o wants to remember the old times
If this is the case Yugi still offers old formats that allow everyone to play old cards and still have fun, they still remember that there always was a meta, a stringer deck that was revolutionary for that periox
I always have this kind of conversation with friends that want to get back into the game and make people realise what they have to get ready for and hope they will still give Yugi a chance
Yugioh is a bad game, very slow and broken, play magic the gathering instead
Pokémon player here, I think you guys would love the GLC (Gym Leader Challenge) format. It’s much more limited but also more expansive at the same time than the normal formats. I recently got into it and it’s a nice refreshing set of pace in comparison to the typical standard format.
One piece is way too low for how well it is and how fun it is. Not a chance it's under dbs or star wars
Exactly... Was searching for this
One piece at the very most meh in terms of deck building and strategy involved. It just has one of the biggest IPs in the world at the moment
I agree, it’s about the same level as Star was unlimited, which is also awesome.
Flesh and blood is s tier though, it’s the just most complex, skill intensive, balanced tcg of all time
for real though
I think what makes one piece great is that when you get hit for damage you get a card, where in Pokémon when you attack you get a prize.
One Piece deserves so much better it’s doing wayyyy better than most of the games that are place above it
Facts
The game is just so boring, and finding any product is nigh impossible
@@ziltoid984blame bandai for lack of product
@@ziltoid984 i only played magic and one piece and i think one piece is nowhere boring especially when you have the meta cards.. but yeah its expensive and so hard to find
Hard to agree with the idea of lorcana not sticking around when they consistently sell out tournaments at the LGS and regional levels
I kind of agree with standard being somewhat irrelevant right now with magic, but as someone who still plays it online pretty consistently it is a super fun format to brew in. Secondary market still sucks hardcore ass though.
Best way to play mtg rn is pauper
You should all check Altered guys! This is a new TCG, started thanks to kickstarter, they got 6 millions, so much hype from players! The game is so unique and the card are really beautiful, go check this out, it may interest you :)
Universus is my favorite card game right now. The skill expression in that game is just unlike anything I’ve experienced in any other tcg and the system is so incredibly deep. I’m a little anxious about the changes coming in attack on titan but am optimistic to see where the game goes. Solid video and I hope you guys enjoy getting back into it!
I dislike commander and rule 0 as well. After years of playing competitive modern, I now only play booster draft, cube draft, and I currenrly have 18 constructed 60 card decks balanced around each other, built by my self, and I keep building more. And just being outside of the hype cycle has made magic so much more enjoyable.
This has made magic genuienly the best boardgame-like experience I have. Cube and "Kitchen Table" is where it is at imo. Interacrions are complex, and the cardpool for me makes it fun to build decks if I want to add a new archetype. And for that it is my GOAT.
In a side note Bloomburrow is the first time in 5 years ive been looking forward to a mtg release.
Youre missing our on how goated pauper is
@@V2ULTRAKill I've played Pauper a lot. I find a lot of the matches quite grindy. As a format I think it's great. This is how much MTG should cost, however I think MTG has better gameplay to offer overall.
Weiss Schwarz is my first TCG then tried MTG also. Its a fun game especially if you follow Anime. Its a bit more leaning towards rng than MTG but that can also be a good thing. More exciting swingy battles and newbies have a better chance at scrapping a win vs old players.
Get ready for Overpower coming back later this year, getting that on the list. Then also, where’s Sorcery??! It’s a great new game.
Weiss Schwarz player here.
I'd say that the collector's game seem to be the heaviest pull right now simply because of the IPs, but a meta does exist for the game. There isn't much users tho, and they're quite limited, but, the fanbase is very dedicated. For example, WS has their own YGOPro equivalent that's fairly maintained.
As for the meta, there are problems with it, but with the recent banlist finally tackling the biggest problems of the last one - - Chainsaw Man and Avatar, it'll be a wait-and-see if it changes things or will the lack of hits on Overlord and Tensura be its defining moment for the incoming Nationals this next half of the year.
As for the gameplay itself? I can't quite describe it. What's unique about it is that all of its systems contribute to a very consistent experience. Everyone starts at Level 0, leveling up and unlocking better characters as you go along, but you lose at Level 4, so it has a tug-of-war aspect similar to Digimon (but less refined since it is a really old TCG -- WS is what put Bushiroad on the map in Japan) There's also the concept of climaxes which is unique in that it's an attempt to replicate the aspect of high points in an IP. For some it doesn't work-ish: Hololive has a very weak climax relationship aspect. Some work reaaaally well. For example, there's a Colossal Titan combo for AOT that brings out a really really huge titan with alot of power and centered upon the climax from AOT EP1. Sure, UA and others have gone and adapted AOT to their TCG with success, but that climax aspect of WS is unmatched.
Tldr: I'd watch a WS video.
Is Lorcana marketed as a CCG in the UK? It is a TCG in the states.
I just started playing commander recently. I really enjoy the game going longer so you have time to play out the thing you want your deck to do. If I get to play a fun combo or do something cool, even if I get board wiped after and someone else wins, I still had fun getting to do my thing. I think you basically said that's what commander should be, that's what I get out of it at my friendly table atleast
great video - thanks guys - where'd you get your bookcases??
They were custom built!
Really fantastic video, the knowledge displayed is amazing!
the thing i love about mtg is that it doesn't have a board limit.
After giving away my Yu Gi Oh collection when i was around 17 to a 9 yr old who was just getting into Yu Gi Oh, all my old early 200s cards, i hope wherever that kid is now, i hope he's doing okay. i am happy to say i am rebuilding my YGO collection and i am also collecting MTG!
No Grand Archive imma pass
TALK ABOUT IT
GA is still growing. Maybe it'll show up in these lists one of these days. The memory and recollection stuff is definitely neat.
Being a Final Fantasy fan feels bad though lmao. Just got the 23 Opus released and still never see it get talked about.
Awesome breakdown of the TCG! Thanks for remembering Vampire. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts [and advise] about how consumers can play or get invlved with more than 1 TCG. Sometimes it hard to appreciate more than one TCG. Could be useful video. Keep it up!
This is a great video idea! I will brainstorm this with the team and see if we can make it happen 😁
No grand archive is crazy
Exactly my thought.
I've never seen that game irl but watching the world championship for it looked very interesting
Came praying you lads rated Digimon.
We love to see it. props for tackling this subject and somehow remaining impartial haha
Final Fantasy TCG never is in this Tier lists 😢
(Yes, there's a Final Fantasy TCG)
And it's very good! A bit convoluted in its rules and card text, but ultimately very fun
Came here to say this!!! Was my main game for a quite a while until our local retailer fucked it up. But it is definitely a goated game!
As a dude whose also played a ridiculous amount of tcgs, digimon is my favorite of all time... love this game so much...
I'm a little confused by the comment that Lorcana doesn't have good gameplay. I've found that while the core gameplay is relatively simple to understand, it is incredibly skill-dependent compared to a lot of other TCGs. There will always be some aspect of luck, but the decision tree is deceivingly complicated at high level gameplay. There are only 4 sets out, and for the last few, the meta has been pretty diverse with multiple Tier 1 decks, and viable decks of each of the 6 colors. Hell, even the little PvE box they released is pretty solid.
I’m more confused that they claimed it won’t be around for long haha 🤷♂️
1) Yes, FaB! I've been loving that and Star Wars Unlimited.
2) i wholeheartedly agree with your points about Yu-Gi-Oh. Once i started playing more casually and not being as sweaty, the game became so much more enjoyable for me again.
The thing about one piece TCG is it’s extreamly simple to pick up and while having no shortage of routes and ways to play any given deck it’s not one turn KO levels of complicated the way Yugioh is for example
Digimon TCG is the only reason that I sticked with card games again, it's amaizing
I know that in a video like this you can't catch all tcgs, but I would encourage you guys to check out Grand Archive. Fun game, interesting system, amazing art. Great list guys. Very critical and refreshing perspectives.
I have been off and on a few different tcgs, but the main ones are Digimon, one piece, yugioh, and recently, I've been giving elestrals a try. Digimon is by far my favorite tcg
Forgot Force of will, actually making some kind of return
Yo, where is Sorcery at?
7:03 - If you think BT15 didn't have an impact on the meta, you haven't been paying attention
wheres grand archive?
Richard Garfield had the philosophy that anyone can pick up MTG and win a game. That's due to the inherent random mechanic involving mana. I've recently enjoyed playing magic again as a break from the high level strategy involved with flesh and blood. I enjoy many TCG's, but flesh and blood and Pokemon have the best communities, locally and internationally.
Great video again guys! 👏 Not as controversial as the last. 😂
Of the games on your list I've played, I completely agree with the placements, and I've learnt that I wanna play Netrunner! 😅
You definitely should at least try it. Such an impressive system!
I learned more about the Vtes world, now I want to buy the cards again. Star Wars and Star Trek NG by decipher I miss a lot!
you sould try battle spirits and duel masters it a great tcg game for me.
Vanguard was placed lower than like 3 other games that directly copied from it. You said Vanguard copied the Bandai TCG but if you look back its the other way around...
Great vid!
Which version of vanguard you talking? Current standard or premium?
The best version
G format
I just love playing Flesh and Blood, its awesome🤟😊
It's such an incredible game and deserves so much love!
Id love to see a LCG tier list... warhammer invasion and call of cthulu were my favorite card game of all time card games.. they dead now... but it was so much fun
I was definitely more of a collector than a player before I got into one piece. The thing that was so appealing to me was that you didn’t need any dice, coins, or damage counters to play it. I tried the game and it was amazing. Now I’ve played pokemon, Star wars, and lorecana, but one piece is still better. I understand for true TCG nerds who have been playing for years don’t see it as I do and that’s fine by me
Weiss is actually mainly players than collectors but I have no idea how it plays
A few others have commented the same. I'm keen to try it now. It sounds as though it's a pretty cool system!
@@GatheringGames Hope it goes well! 😁🙏
Weiß schwarz is a players game, not a collectors game. Collectors are a recent addition and not well received by the community. The game is solid but can be frustrating at high level due to the high rng component, similar to vanguard.
Hmm I always thought the opposite was true. We've never really seen much of a players community around our LGS and the sets that sold well seemed to be driven by people who loved the IP they used for it. I will definitely try this out now!
@@GatheringGames people definitely play their favourite IPs, and even among the players there i would say the average person also owns their favourite ips, but there is a very clear and defined megagame, and people are playing good sets in tournaments, same as any other game
Swu brought me back to tcgs since middle school. I'm 34 now. Excellent game so far.
I highly encourage you to check out Grand Archive as well. The game is amazing and unique but also very familiar with the mechanics and gameplay.
Love Digimon! I play with my friends every now and then, but think it could really benefit from an official online game, like mtg and yu-gi-oh have.
Man.. idk if something is wrong with me but i just love YGO so much 😂
Weiss Schwarz is a great card game. There is a lot of skill expression, and there are levels to the game. The game is also very unique.
Just for the representation... Final Fantasy TCG?
Should definitely check out Elestrals! Amazing gameplay with super fun mechanics and awesome creature designs
Yugioh player here. been playing for 10 plus years. I agree with what you said. I think the game is amazing, the complexity does make the game and interactions very deep. yes at the moment, Yugioh is in a slump. I think with slightly more balanced card design (stop with 1 card full combo starter cards) and better prize support the game would be the best tcg !! the game feels ever so close to being a perfect tcg to me. hopefully konami moves in the right direction !
I really think they should make 1 card combos a choke point instead of something like Snake Eyes or Fiendsmith where it is so flexable and can play through most things.
I never could get into fab, the scene also died at my lgs even tho it was extremely popular
Great video guys! Netrunner was one of my favs! I would pick up flesh and blood but my daughter is too busy spending all my money on Pokemon cards 😂 the Sunday league is awesome as one of the dads who enjoys that time
I had no idea you played netrunner Nick! We should play dude...
@@GatheringGames it’s in the list of sets I got rid of as just wasn’t getting played 🤦🏼🤣 will happily play again
Flesh and Blood is by far the best rn incredible game
Hell yes!
Try Grand Archive