Thanks! Will definitely keep an eye out for some new stuff, looks like there are lots of new devices coming so should be fun for another video in a few months!
My conclusion from watching several "Matter" videos is that it is made for manufacturers, not necessarily for consumers. It is a standard, but individual manufacturers can decide what functionality is allowed through matter and which remain proprietary. You buy a matter device for a little more than the regular version, and they limit the full functionality "for now"
Great video, hopefully in another 12months they will catch up with the missing features. It does seem still early days for matter, and it's a real shame that they haven't enforced a mesh node feature as standard or clear advertising (product markings) of the meshing capability. Looks like the eve plug does and the nanoleaf bulbs don't, would be great if this could be highlighted in your videos too
Sounds like Matter isn't quite ready for the mainstream yet. With the point of Matter being interoperability it needs those extra functions available, especially energy reporting in my scenario. I'll stick with Zigbee via ZHA for now but I'm hearing more manufacturers promising Matter in the future - there's a brand here (AU/NZ) that use Tuya for light switches, power sockets and more (their products are aesthetically pleasing) who are talking about Matter support coming so hopefully this means Tuya will make this standard allowing for many more devices, the Tuya integration in HA works but will not buy anything else Tuya until Matter is the protocol Big thanks for the update!
It's been like a year since I looked into anything smart home. I was putting off starting my smart home buys until matter was standard, but I'm in Aus area too and I don't think there's a whole lot of options still. I had never heard of Zigbee or Tuya before so will need to do a bit of research into that 😅 What is the company you find aesthetically pleasing??
Hopefully a new Matter update with Energy monitoring will be launched soon. Although I still cannot connect with Google home it's looking for a Thread network that does not exist?
Thanks for the update Lewis! US based user here and thus far, I've not been overly impressed with Matter. It's not really brought anything of consequence to my setup. One of my first disappointments was the purchase of a dozen TP-Lnk. Kasa, Matter smart plugs. My main use was for the energy monitoring. Needless to say, I was disappointed that it wasn't an entity that was available in Home Assistant (or anywhere else) due to current Matter limitations. I sent them all back and replaced them with Sonoff S31s and haven't looked back. For now, I'm treating Matter like I do proposed firmware feature updates, I'm not making purchases based on what or when they may be added. The promise of Matter is lofty and I'll remain optimistic. 👍
I wanted to be so wrong about my prediction of matter being just an other standard on the market. Actually I feel wrong but sadly in the wrong direction. Matter is still just an intermediate solution, new issues appear, when using it, still there is a need for lots of bad apps for each device and in addition lots of hugs too connect the devices. I would have wished for less needed devices, apps and more interoperability
not only few devices so far, plus limits how many systems you can connect to but also increase of the price for everything - that is the bigger showstopper - 45 GBP for 1 sensor? I have 20+ motion sensors at home - if I had to buy them 45 GBP each... ;-(
@@EverythingSmartHome Is there a license fee involved? Sorry, I know you've mentioned it in a previous video but I'm left thinking it's a one-off fee not per-product, in which case it would be a shameless money grab.
Thank you! As for me matter devices becomes twice more expensive from zigbee so, probably, will stay with my current zigbee and wifi infrastructure on home assistant.
So matter reduces the number of hubs but you still need a shed load of apps (no doubt harvesting data) if you want a firmware upgrade or special features. Think I'll pass on matter or anything that CSA (their latest name) brings out. If Matter was a parcel service company then they would be Hermes -> Evri 🤣🤣🤣
Most of these products are just not worth expending any of my time or money on. They have short MTBFs, multiple compatibility issues and really don't add much to quality of life.
I'm making my first smart home and have ordered most of these devices, it's good to know that the all work although some in limited capability... but I have a question specifically for the Eve app. As you said its not on android (and I only have Android devices), will I be able to add the Eve motion sensor to Home Assistant? Also, I'm not sure but maybe you skipped a few Onvis matter over thread products (smart plug and smart button), I have those on order as well and hope they will work.
You can add the eve motion sensor as long as you get the matter version and not the HomeKit version, if you get the HomeKit version then you need the eve app to be able to update the firmware to matter. I saw the Onvis products but at least here in the UK they are advertised as Thread but not Matter certified so that's why I didn't include them. I assume they will be certified later
Also switchbot - I just took delivery of a Bot (well, amazon are selling at £25.49 so I kind of had to), and it connected to my skyconnect immediately :-D. The only problem I've got os that it does a momentary press (switch mode momentary) and I haven't yet worked out how to change that (but I will) ...
The Smartwings blinds look like a great option! Unfortuantely, I just recently got shutters. Do you have any recommendations for matter compatible retrofits?
Ive had the Govee matter strip for about a month now. I find it works for about 2-3 days then wont connect to HomeKit. A hard reset and another install gets it back up, only to repeat the cycle again.
I like the Nanoleaf essentials bulb but in home assistant it keeps going unresponsive. I also can’t get it from home assistant to other smarthome ecosystems yet.
@@EverythingSmartHome home assistant VM on an unraid server. Have HomePod minis, Apple TV, and eeros as thread border routers. No idea what it connected to since it doesn’t tell me, but it’s closest to a HomePod mini so that’s hopefully the one it’s connected too. It is getting better. It goes unresponsive around once a day now, it started out once every 5 or so minutes. As far as getting it from home assistant to others matter systems, that just doesn’t seem possible in home assistant yet.
The fact that this new "universal" protocol is missing some pretty basic stuff like energy monitoring doesn't bode well, that's unfortunate. Nice video !
Indeed, though I can see how it could be challenging to implement it on such a wide range of hardware so maybe they are taking it slow and starting with the basics. Let's see in another year where it's at!
I'm not sure what you mean sorry, the original was Thread based which HomeKit used, the update just makes it Matter over Thread and means it's no longer HomeKit compatible (though it is via Matter..confusing, I know!)
In some ways we are in a worst situation now as devices will advertise multi platform support where in reality they are not. I can't see Matter adding specific functionalities anytime soon there are just too many devices with unique abilities.
If i have already added a Philips Hue hub to Home Assistant using the normal integration is there any point in me adding it again using Matter ? Im still a bit confused as to what the benefits are.
I had to put mine back in the box, completely unusable. They go offline all the time, refuse to connect after resetting. Bought the pack of 3 and they're by far the worst smart product I've ever owned.
Contacted Support and here on 2 community posts and 2 youtube video's, hopefully I get an answer on my question even though I understand you guys must be busy... Here it is... Two questions my good sir, will there be a future update for zones for ep1/lite just like the Aqara fp2? And are there any plans for a ep version 2.0 in case that there are new hardware upgrades available?Hopefully there's some clarification in the next video about this. Because as soon as there is ep1 stock or ep1 lite if that's applicable to me, I'm getting them if the zones work like the fp2. I currently own the fp2 for my living room, and also have some door/window sensor to help with my current situation. I might replace the fp2 with the ep1 and add some more around the house if it supports the zones feature in the way that fp2 works or maybe combine the ep1 and fp2 where it's necessary For example just using the fp2 zones for the living and work room but I don't need zones for the kitchen or bathroom for example so in those areas I'll just have the ep1. But in the other zones like work/living room I do also need features like light levels, humidity ect to automate that with other devices so there I'll put both the ep1 and fp2...unless ep1 does it all like described 😅
IIRC there is a beta firmware to the EP1 to support multiple detections however this is just a number say 3 objects in the signal zone. To get functionality like the FP2 it would need a new MMwave sensor but as it is a modular design you in theory could swap it out with a new sensor and get the zone functionality .
Matter is shit. It's been a constant disappointment since it's announcement. It misses the its point of harmonizing smart products and it's targetted for cloud based smarthomes as its based on thread which is pointless and less secure than zigbee if you're using HA. God i hate it.
Id like to see that follow up video very soon! Just bought a house which is about to have work done and planning to get a lot of smart stuff for it. I have a basket full of matter and your closing comments have made ne nervous
Great updates. Do a regular series of matter supported devices as they emerge over the coming year!
Thanks! Will definitely keep an eye out for some new stuff, looks like there are lots of new devices coming so should be fun for another video in a few months!
My conclusion from watching several "Matter" videos is that it is made for manufacturers, not necessarily for consumers.
It is a standard, but individual manufacturers can decide what functionality is allowed through matter and which remain proprietary.
You buy a matter device for a little more than the regular version, and they limit the full functionality "for now"
It is a bit frustrating that some things are open to interpretation on how/if you implement
Great video, hopefully in another 12months they will catch up with the missing features. It does seem still early days for matter, and it's a real shame that they haven't enforced a mesh node feature as standard or clear advertising (product markings) of the meshing capability. Looks like the eve plug does and the nanoleaf bulbs don't, would be great if this could be highlighted in your videos too
Physical pain emanating from the screen at 6:27 😭
I don't think I will ever recover from this
🫣 so, I’m not alone.
Sounds like Matter isn't quite ready for the mainstream yet. With the point of Matter being interoperability it needs those extra functions available, especially energy reporting in my scenario.
I'll stick with Zigbee via ZHA for now but I'm hearing more manufacturers promising Matter in the future - there's a brand here (AU/NZ) that use Tuya for light switches, power sockets and more (their products are aesthetically pleasing) who are talking about Matter support coming so hopefully this means Tuya will make this standard allowing for many more devices, the Tuya integration in HA works but will not buy anything else Tuya until Matter is the protocol
Big thanks for the update!
It's been like a year since I looked into anything smart home. I was putting off starting my smart home buys until matter was standard, but I'm in Aus area too and I don't think there's a whole lot of options still.
I had never heard of Zigbee or Tuya before so will need to do a bit of research into that 😅 What is the company you find aesthetically pleasing??
Matter uses zigbee's data model. i suspect we will see more and more zigbee device types being added into matter
Hopefully a new Matter update with Energy monitoring will be launched soon. Although I still cannot connect with Google home it's looking for a Thread network that does not exist?
Do you have a nest hub with thread enabled?
Thanks for the update Lewis! US based user here and thus far, I've not been overly impressed with Matter. It's not really brought anything of consequence to my setup. One of my first disappointments was the purchase of a dozen TP-Lnk. Kasa, Matter smart plugs. My main use was for the energy monitoring. Needless to say, I was disappointed that it wasn't an entity that was available in Home Assistant (or anywhere else) due to current Matter limitations. I sent them all back and replaced them with Sonoff S31s and haven't looked back. For now, I'm treating Matter like I do proposed firmware feature updates, I'm not making purchases based on what or when they may be added. The promise of Matter is lofty and I'll remain optimistic. 👍
Thanks, will do! Definitely needs more time to mature
I wanted to be so wrong about my prediction of matter being just an other standard on the market. Actually I feel wrong but sadly in the wrong direction. Matter is still just an intermediate solution, new issues appear, when using it, still there is a need for lots of bad apps for each device and in addition lots of hugs too connect the devices. I would have wished for less needed devices, apps and more interoperability
At the moment yes, but more time is definitely needed as it is a big goal
not only few devices so far, plus limits how many systems you can connect to but also increase of the price for everything - that is the bigger showstopper - 45 GBP for 1 sensor? I have 20+ motion sensors at home - if I had to buy them 45 GBP each... ;-(
There definitely seems to be an increased price on matter sensors vs non matter sensors :(
@@EverythingSmartHome Is there a license fee involved? Sorry, I know you've mentioned it in a previous video but I'm left thinking it's a one-off fee not per-product, in which case it would be a shameless money grab.
Not a licence fee but a "membership fee" to be part of the CSA and use the matter logos etc so yes definitely added cost to be a part of it
Wiz smart devices now support Matter 1.1 🔥
Nice!
Thank you! As for me matter devices becomes twice more expensive from zigbee so, probably, will stay with my current zigbee and wifi infrastructure on home assistant.
Absolutely!
So matter reduces the number of hubs but you still need a shed load of apps (no doubt harvesting data) if you want a firmware upgrade or special features. Think I'll pass on matter or anything that CSA (their latest name) brings out. If Matter was a parcel service company then they would be Hermes -> Evri 🤣🤣🤣
Nice to have a UK video virtually all Matter devices videos are American & we can't get lost off the devices. 👍
Appreciate it!
Hoping level lock finally gets the update soon.
🤞
Google seems to be more strict compared to other system?
Not even espzero code devices can be added to google home
Why no review of OpenHAB integration ?
Conclusion: use mater to not be able to fully control your devices 😅
How to setup matter govve m1 light strip on homeassiant
Most of these products are just not worth expending any of my time or money on. They have short MTBFs, multiple compatibility issues and really don't add much to quality of life.
Interesting how little progress in a year. Thanks for the update.
Thanks for watching!
I'm making my first smart home and have ordered most of these devices, it's good to know that the all work although some in limited capability... but I have a question specifically for the Eve app. As you said its not on android (and I only have Android devices), will I be able to add the Eve motion sensor to Home Assistant?
Also, I'm not sure but maybe you skipped a few Onvis matter over thread products (smart plug and smart button), I have those on order as well and hope they will work.
You can add the eve motion sensor as long as you get the matter version and not the HomeKit version, if you get the HomeKit version then you need the eve app to be able to update the firmware to matter.
I saw the Onvis products but at least here in the UK they are advertised as Thread but not Matter certified so that's why I didn't include them. I assume they will be certified later
Also switchbot - I just took delivery of a Bot (well, amazon are selling at £25.49 so I kind of had to), and it connected to my skyconnect immediately :-D. The only problem I've got os that it does a momentary press (switch mode momentary) and I haven't yet worked out how to change that (but I will) ...
The Smartwings blinds look like a great option! Unfortuantely, I just recently got shutters. Do you have any recommendations for matter compatible retrofits?
Ive had the Govee matter strip for about a month now. I find it works for about 2-3 days then wont connect to HomeKit. A hard reset and another install gets it back up, only to repeat the cycle again.
I like the Nanoleaf essentials bulb but in home assistant it keeps going unresponsive. I also can’t get it from home assistant to other smarthome ecosystems yet.
They're unusable.
I didn't have that problem personally, what hardware are you using for HA/Matter?
@@EverythingSmartHome home assistant VM on an unraid server. Have HomePod minis, Apple TV, and eeros as thread border routers. No idea what it connected to since it doesn’t tell me, but it’s closest to a HomePod mini so that’s hopefully the one it’s connected too. It is getting better. It goes unresponsive around once a day now, it started out once every 5 or so minutes.
As far as getting it from home assistant to others matter systems, that just doesn’t seem possible in home assistant yet.
How about things that are found in Europe, do they differ much?
Matter 1.1 save Apple HomeKit 😁
Expensive stuff, worthless
0:12 That's exactly the demographic I envision when I think of people buying smart home gadgets...
😂
The fact that this new "universal" protocol is missing some pretty basic stuff like energy monitoring doesn't bode well, that's unfortunate. Nice video !
Indeed, though I can see how it could be challenging to implement it on such a wide range of hardware so maybe they are taking it slow and starting with the basics. Let's see in another year where it's at!
How does one facilitate firmware updates to matter devices when using a platform like Home-Assistant?
I'm not sure at the moment, we will need to wait and see!
I am not interested in supporting the channel, but I guess I will anyway.
😂
With the Eve motion, when upgraded, does the homekit version add Thread, or does it remain as Matter via Bluetooth ?
I'm not sure what you mean sorry, the original was Thread based which HomeKit used, the update just makes it Matter over Thread and means it's no longer HomeKit compatible (though it is via Matter..confusing, I know!)
In some ways we are in a worst situation now as devices will advertise multi platform support where in reality they are not. I can't see Matter adding specific functionalities anytime soon there are just too many devices with unique abilities.
It's certainly a challenge to add capabilities for that many different type of devices from different manufacturers!
If i have already added a Philips Hue hub to Home Assistant using the normal integration is there any point in me adding it again using Matter ? Im still a bit confused as to what the benefits are.
If I understand correctly, there is no benefit if home assistant has a suitable integration and you are able to control it locally already
Great video! Thanks for the update Lewis. 🙂
Thank you so much!
Did you have connectivity issues with the Nanoleaf bulbs? I have mine going offline frequently and consistently.
I had to put mine back in the box, completely unusable. They go offline all the time, refuse to connect after resetting. Bought the pack of 3 and they're by far the worst smart product I've ever owned.
I didn't notice that issue personally but someone else did mention it yes so I guess YMMV!
Halo Reach Wallpaper?
You got it, Chief.
Matter is completely useless in my opinion.
Think it needs to cook for a while longer to get a full picture of everything IMO
Your motion sensor 100% still the best!
🙏🏻 appreciate it!
Nice
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What thread radio did you use for your testing?
Echo Dot 4 for Amazon, Google Nest Hub 2, SkyConnect, Smartthings Hub v3 and HomePod Mini
@@EverythingSmartHome ooof, quite the assortment haha. Thanks!
Contacted Support and here on 2 community posts and 2 youtube video's, hopefully I get an answer on my question even though I understand you guys must be busy...
Here it is...
Two questions my good sir, will there be a future update for zones for ep1/lite just like the Aqara fp2?
And are there any plans for a ep version 2.0 in case that there are new hardware upgrades available?Hopefully there's some clarification in the next video about this. Because as soon as there is ep1 stock or ep1 lite if that's applicable to me, I'm getting them if the zones work like the fp2.
I currently own the fp2 for my living room, and also have some door/window sensor to help with my current situation. I might replace the fp2 with the ep1 and add some more around the house if it supports the zones feature in the way that fp2 works or maybe combine the ep1 and fp2 where it's necessary
For example just using the fp2 zones for the living and work room but I don't need zones for the kitchen or bathroom for example so in those areas I'll just have the ep1. But in the other zones like work/living room I do also need features like light levels, humidity ect to automate that with other devices so there I'll put both the ep1 and fp2...unless ep1 does it all like described 😅
IIRC there is a beta firmware to the EP1 to support multiple detections however this is just a number say 3 objects in the signal zone. To get functionality like the FP2 it would need a new MMwave sensor but as it is a modular design you in theory could swap it out with a new sensor and get the zone functionality
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Hello, Do you have some used items for sell
Matter is shit. It's been a constant disappointment since it's announcement. It misses the its point of harmonizing smart products and it's targetted for cloud based smarthomes as its based on thread which is pointless and less secure than zigbee if you're using HA.
God i hate it.
Not sure I follow the "targeted for cloud based smart homes as it's based on thread" but?
first :)
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So many mouse miles saved by your videos, thank you. Maybe a "Matter" Playlist forming.
Appreciate it! Ha good idea!
Id like to see that follow up video very soon! Just bought a house which is about to have work done and planning to get a lot of smart stuff for it. I have a basket full of matter and your closing comments have made ne nervous
Will do!