As a Palestinian who is fully aware of what the Holocaust was about and totally compassionate with all its victims, as well as being aware of how many Palestinians are sick of the abuse of such an atrocity; it pains me that we as a human race couldn't keep the promise of "never again". In the aftermath of the Holocaust, we promised ourselves to get better under the patronage of the hegemonic West but we didn't keep the promise.
The Western governments have not kept that promise even in the aftermath of Nazi Genocide they supported another ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. "Never again" has lost all meaning when we have yet to learn from the atrocities of the past.
the hegemonic West. You mean "Big Money", the central banks, the transnational corporations and their servants in the deep state. In other words Mammon. The trouble with Mammon, the sin of covetousness, is it leads to great callousness and lack of empathy. Hence the slave trade, the oppression of the poor, wars of conquest, colonization, and genocide.
I have Armenian background - my mother's grandfather was the sole survivor of the Armenian genocide from his family. I could make the same argument about the Armenian genocide. The US has been trying to use the trauma/psychosis of the Armenian people for its political aims. The late Hrant Dink warned us about this before he was assassinated. He was worried that the Armenian diaspora was becoming an instrument of American imperialism. Also, I am extremely disappointed in the Armenian community for not standing up for Palestine. Never again means never again for anyone.
The US and France are sniffing around Armenia now. Georgia wouldn't accept their bs, so they went next door. I'm very worried Pashinyan will make a deal out of spite towards Russia.
My cello teacher, Jacob Blatt, was a Holocaust escapee from Vienna. His Mom and sister died in Auschwitz in 1944. In 1970 he was so horrified by Kissinger and Nixon he decided the US was going down a fascist path, so he and his wife moved to Haifa,where he playing in the symphony. I later found out from his grandson they didn't trust Israel either, and returned...he missed the US. Jake was on the most wanted list of the Gestapo...he had a horror of anything like a police state.
@@RootofEcstasy probably, but in the US I so often see claims of "we survived the Holocaust" re: excuse to be genocidal - which is untrue in most cases with most Jews having come before the 40s, and just feels like treating those who did not survive as a weapon of self interested rhetoric above all. Their memory being weaponized in this way is real convenient for those doing it because said Holocaust victims are not alive to protest it
@@slappy8941your parents can be killed after you were born, did you know? They might have sent their kids to other countries like the UK, or in other families like with Soros.
I’m an Israeli Jew born and raised in Russia. Thank you very much for expressing so eloquently what I myself think about the Israeli society, the Holocaust and the brutal assault of and crimes against the Palestinian People, especially in Gaza. The Israeli education seems to suffer from multiple grave flaws, including but not limited to the inculcation of religious dogmas, worshiping the Nation, the State, the Army and the Flag. However nothing seems to be as evil as the retraumatizing the kids with the Holocaust. They make students feel as if they were themselves Holocaust victims amidst Nazi surroundings. This hallucinatory brainwashing is so strong, that the kids indeed see the world as a bunch of antisemites. This is diametrically opposed to the true lesson one should have learned from the Holocaust: be kind and respectful towards the other groups, peoples and beliefs; if you belong to a privileged majority in your country, make sure the minorities enjoy equal rights. However, learning the right lesson was impossible in a country that illegally occupies lands despite protests from the International Community, defying the International Law.
I was appreciating your insight of Israeli culture and agree with you about the danger on Jewish psyches of this trauma brainwashing. However wow this is not genocide by any stretch of the imagination. AND to uphold international law as if it’s law at all is creepy. The UN is so corrupt it’s dangerous. 50+ Muslim countries vote in a block with China and Russia against Israel on a regular basis. Not one democracy. All authoritarian. All with civil rights violations and many true genocides. Who polices these countries??? Not international law. Not one Muslim country has equal rights for women. Jews have been driven out or annihilated. I appreciate your spotlight on Israel society. It’s a shame you don’t use it to evaluate on any other country.
Even in the UK Jewish schools children are exposed to this in a similarly traumatic way at much too young an age. I got the impression from one young chap that the holocaust was framed for him as "Hitler hated you and your people". Growing up in Northern Ireland in the 1970s, we were not exposed educationally to the brutalities of the oppression of Ireland by the UK until we were in our early teens, and it was then presented in a factual manner, showing both sides, the history and politics, and never claiming that it was against us personally because we were Irish or Catholic and hated for it. When I heard about this 6 or 7 year old child recounting his day at school, I was horrified that they had done this to such a young person and reflected how differently my outlook on life would be, and the fate of my country and the UK would be, had I and my generation been exposed to the conflict in my country in a similarly emotional and persecutory way at such a young age.
@@i_hate_this_world thanks for your input. I think Hitler indeed hated Jews for their religion and ethnicity, for being Jewish. However, the mainstream Israelis seem to conclude wrong lessons from the Holocaust. They should have concluded that fascism is not only evil when directed against the Jews, but rather *as such*, when it is directed against ANY other group. So when they dehumanize Palestinians they commit an evil act. But they seem to believe that fascism directed against Palestinians isn’t that bad.
@@quent94181The Zionist's existed long before Hitler. They went to Palestina long before Holocaust. That time the UK had the mandatory on the land. The Holocaust syndrome in Germany, Italy, Ukraine etc. has never changed. Its still going on in Gaza. They are basically brothers of the humans in Israel. The bible is full of fights story in that region. For me as a Christian their is no Holly land. Christ was killed. I don't know what their waiting for. Christ gave us so many examples how to behave. For shure the Zionist's are misusing the Holly Bible.
"I remember how it was in 1948 when Israel was being established and all my Jewish friends were ecstatic, I was not. I said, what are we doing? We are establishing ourselves in a ghetto, in a small corner of a vast Muslim sea. The Muslims will never forget nor forgive, and Israel, as long as it exists, will be embattled. I was laughed at, but I was right. I can’t help but feel that the Jews didn’t really have the right to appropriate a territory only because 2000 years ago, people they consider their ancestors, were living there. History moves on and you can’t really turn it back." -Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
The problem is that the propaganda goes paste Hitlers face on Mussolini and then you can cherry pick history, No genocides ever fed gave medical care housed and clothed people they were about to exterminate, The genocide was done by Hitler and Speer who were stealing real estate namely the Jewish betto around the Brandenburg gate The truth is every 80 years for the last 400 years plus the Jews go crazy and they have another pogram. The Zionists don't want the truth told because it would expose their complicity, All those soviet records shipping dockets etc. Polish Jews selling arm to the enemies and also American Jews like Schiff and Weiss did them no favours I can throw documented facts about this all day long
@@fgv1001 You totally misunderstand! I have spoken up about the genocide every day!! I was referring to the specific point of Daniel’s regarding the Holocaust in the 40s being used as a way of justifying any kind of horrific treatment of others.
I have been using the term "Trauma psychosis" for a couple of months - which to me allows for the purposeful weaponization of any trauma to create heinous acts of violence. Psychosis being a state of mind that is detached from reality and that mass murderers can go in and out of, maybe at will, to justify their actually unjustifiable behavior.
The Zionists worked with Hitler to create the Holocaust ... soo clearly the Holocaust was not a religious issue but a very cruel and cynical use and abuse of Jewish people to bring about the state of Israel
The problem is that the state has propagandized the education of it's citizens to have that psychosis an inherent part of their being, there are some that can break free, but most can not.
As a non jew i got dragged from one holocaust museum to the next holocaust exhibition during the 70's, no idea why i as a child was exposed to all of that but i guess it all makes sense now
And don't forget about the endless array of Hollywood produced movies and tv show-ahs that most of us in NATO controlled countries have been watching since the 1980s/90s, but I guess it all makes sense now.
@@RGBAnarchy Since Oct 1+1+3 plus two definitely noticed a marked influx of, and let me completely frank here, Anne related books in all bookstores. I wonder where Hind Rajab's book is...... Oh wait, she never learned how to read and write.
Thank you Daniel for your well thought out and considerable clarity on this very important subject. I can only hope that this is shared with as many concerned people as possible. In this particular arena where there is so much intentional confusion and misinformation your messages and thoughts on this subject are urgently needed! Bless you and your family for your collective efforts. They bring me and many others hope for the possibility of a better understanding of the underlying issues and remedies that become possible by working with those understandings.
Thank and bless you for making that distinction for us. I think Norman Finkelstein is a very clear example of someone to whom the memory of the Holocaust had the opposite effect of this Holocaust psychosis you describe. His parents had severe ongoing Holocaust trauma which permeated the family home while he was growing up in New York (they had both survived Auschwitz and Majdanek camps respectively), but they refused to have anything to do with the State of Israel as soon as they saw the methods it used to make the land its own. He says that it was because of what they taught him that he dedicated his career to opposing the actions of the Israeli state. It's pertinent that he has been so viley accused of abusing his parents’ memory and of self-hate for his stance. I think his writing of 'The Holocaust Industry' did come from a very deep disgust and no doubt anger at the way that that genocide was used afterwards in different ways. Although I don’t personally know any Israelis who claim that their own 'inherited trauma' somehow makes understandable all that their State is doing, I think this view must come from a kind of indoctrination as you say, and/or self-deception.
Yes. Self-deception in abusive environments is a mal-adaptive coping style, and often tied to indoctrination. Humans often want to belong, and if the people surrounding someone that they trust growing up model exceptionalism/ superiority/racism, it's likely going to take a lot more effort to question and reject that mindset, and thus risk self-alienation. ( I don't know why, but what seems expressed online is a grafting of re-traumatization. Many people who grew up during suicide bombings in Israel chose to see that as affirmation/proof to their indoctrination, but not question how the country was formed and the experiences of Palestinians. So, the stories they were taught and experiences are framed a certain way. This grows into a fused vine, obscuring and distracting from a clearer view of factual events.)
@@Liberte-bq5rc Mr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And your final point is just a deflection from the point. It’s not so much about who has a right to be anywhere. It’s more about how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
@@Liberte-bq5rc Mr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And regarding your final point, I would say it’s not so much about who has a right to be anywhere as much as how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
@@Liberte-bq5rcMr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And regarding your final point, it’s not so much who has a right to be anywhere. It’s more how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
Daniel, thank you so much for explaining this. We are so very grateful for your presence and your measured and yet passionate, authentic voice in this world. 🙏🏻🕊 you are the author of so much revelation…🙏🏻
Thank you for talking about this so openly and honestly. I've been an advocate for Palestine since 2003 (and then became an activist against the Iraq War, of course). I've been so overwhelmed by sadness and hopelessness, and I really don't have any loved ones to lean on. Sometimes I just cry and cry. Your videos help me.
The ones doing this in Gaza are not holocaust victims. The children of holocaust victims don't support the subjugation of Palestine. It is fellow jews who were not victimized taking advantage.
@@sapnaa6576 Yes of course, but I'm not talking about the Holocaust in particular. It's about many generations of antisemitism in Europe and Russia. And the narrative of an endangered people ingrained in Israel. I'm no psychologist, I'd leave that to my betters like Dr. Gabor Mate. But I feel the zionists have aquired some traits from their past oppressors as a defense mechanism. The projection I mentioned is based on the same antisemitism as they are projecting the Arabs into the same group as their past oppressors. I probably sound like a moron, I'll see myself out 😂. I only participated in an open forum that is the chat section.
@@sapnaa6576 You are right, but I'm not talking about the Holocaust, but antisemitism as a whole in past Eu and Rs. They may be projecting that oppression of the past to an entirely new set of people, the Arabs. And the narrative is that of an endangered people over there. There is some more trauma there than just what has happened 48 onwards.
Thank you so much for this! I couldn't put my finger on the uncomfortable sense I was feeling. Thank you for providing clarity and acknowledging the ick factor I've been experiencing.
Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with such moral clarity. As an outsider who has admittedly spent a lot of time learning about this since 9/11, I think your analysis is spot on. I cannot imagine how it must feel to see your history and the crimes perpetrated against your ancestors used as a cheap excuse to steal and murder.
Thankyou, Daniel, for your compelling analysis and your deep humanity. It's easy to confuse trauma with psychosis as they will often feed eachother. As the granddaughter of Polish Jewish immigrants who came to the UK before the Holocaust, I know trauma from pogroms was 'handed down'. My mother suffered psychosis, and her siblings and some of their children were vulnerable in different ways. So grateful for your clarity on this. In solidarity.
Yes indeed! Thank you for sharing your invaluable and much needed insights Daniel and for speaking out so ardently. Thank you also to Aaron and Gabor likewise. Not in my name 🙏💛
I have given this a lot of thought, Holocaust/Israel-Palestine scholar 30 + years, I have yet to come to a definitive conclusion on Holocaust trauma. A ‘Hierarchy of Trauma’; it sets the boundaries of social acceptably, the 1,200 Israeli lives lost on 7th October somehow having more value than than the trauma felt by the parents of the 2,171 Palestinian children killed by Israel between 1st January 2000 and 6th October 2023; or the 32,000 + Palestinians killed since 7th October 2023. Soldiers Versus Terrorists People are conditioned to see terrorism as an act by a non-state actor, the archetypal terrorist group’; this is what news, film, and culture tells us. This approach is ‘Actor-Centric’ it focuses purely on the actor, the group, and their traits. In opposition to ‘Actor-Centric’ is ‘Act-Centric’ which emphasises the unique aspects of terrorism from other acts of violence, like self-defence. Act-Centric focuses on the Act of Terrorism not the Actors of Terrorism to define what terrorism actually is; as opposed to a US State Department or U.K. designation as a terrorist group. "Even when definitions of terrorism allow for state terrorism, state actions in this area tend to be seen through the prism of war or national self-defense, not terror." Henry Commager (1902-98) The Duck Test of Abductive Reasoning If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. The ‘Western’ definition of Ethnic Cleansing is dependent on who is doing the cleansing, not the actual ‘Act of Ethnic Cleansing’. It is a Group-Focused approach, not an Act-Focused approach. The true definition of Ethnic Cleansing: the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. UN Report: Israeli settlement activities have intensified since November 2023; 4,780 illegal Israeli housing units were advanced or approved in settlements in Area C across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem. Citing the lack of Israeli-issued building permits which are almost impossible for Palestinians to obtain, Israeli authorities demolished, seized, or forced people to demolish 300 structures, displacing 314 people, including 137 children. Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also prohibits “individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from an occupied territory.” The UN Report stated, numerous Israeli officials called for the ‘voluntary migration’ of Palestinians from Gaza and the re-establishment of settlements there, with a minister posting on social media that Israel should “continue to pressure them, using force, starvation, and ‘difficult conditions’! An Israeli member of the Knesset called on his country “to occupy, to annex, to destroy all the houses in Gaza and to build large settlements.” The Hierarchy of Genocide; Act verses Actors. The Darfur genocide is the systematic killing of ethnic Darfuri people which happened in Western Sudan. It has become known as the first genocide of the 21st century. 80, 000 - 400, 000 killed. Internationally recognised ethnic cleansing and genocide. Rohingya genocide Myanmar (Burma) 25,000 + killed. Internationally recognised ethnic cleansing and genocide. The Chinese government is committing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is characterized as persecution or as genocide. 12,000 + killed. Western Recognition of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Israel kills 33,000 + Palestinians, including 14,000 children, destroys the entire infrastructure of Gaza. “Oh no it isn’t genocide”. The only places that don’t recognise it as ethnic cleansing and genocide is the USA, UK and Europe. The Rest of the World does recognise it for what it is.
Daniel, I hope you read these comments. I want you to know how much this video means to me. I was able to share your video with ppl from different ethnic and religious affiliations who agreed that your commentary is on point and inclusive in comparison for all of humanity 🙏
By engaging in a protracted and violent conflict with Palestine, Israel creates a situation in which there is a present and continued threat to life and safety, a threat that is clearly external and concrete. The internal experience of annihilation anxiety is made manifest, and thus can be contended with, controlled, literally combated. One could also argue the related point that Israel’s military and occupation policies serve to create international distrust toward the state of Israel which then becomes--and is interpreted as--anti-Semitism, further concretizing the external threat. Loewenberg illustrates the fact that the state of Israel is a psychotic state, founded on trauma and repeating its trauma and projecting its trauma in a Freudian repetition compulsion on a scale so large and deadly it resists comprehension. " p90 Jewish annihilation anxiety : diasporic legacies of trauma Alexandra T. Samets Smith College (2015)
سورة البقرة وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَا مُوسَىٰ لَنْ نَصْبِرَ عَلَىٰ طَعَامٍ وَاحِدٍ فَادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُخْرِجْ لَنَا مِمَّا تُنْبِتُ الْأَرْضُ مِنْ بَقْلِهَا وَقِثَّائِهَا وَفُومِهَا وَعَدَسِهَا وَبَصَلِهَا ۖ قَالَ أَتَسْتَبْدِلُونَ الَّذِي هُوَ أَدْنَىٰ بِالَّذِي هُوَ خَيْرٌ ۚ اهْبِطُوا مِصْرًا فَإِنَّ لَكُمْ مَا سَأَلْتُمْ ۗ وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ وَالْمَسْكَنَةُ وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا يَكْفُرُونَ بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَيَقْتُلُونَ النَّبِيِّينَ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوْا وَكَانُوا يَعْتَدُونَ ﴿٦١﴾ Surah al-Baqarah 61. And when you said, “O Moses, we cannot endure one kind of food. So call upon your Lord on our behalf: that He may produce for us of what the earth grows: of its herbs, its cucumbers, its garlic, its lentils, and its onions.” He said, “Will you exchange what is good for what is worse? Go down to a town, and you will have what you asked for.” They were stricken with disgrace and misery, and incurred wrath from Allah. That was because they rejected Allah’s revelations and wrongfully killed the prophets. That was because they disobeyed and committed aggression
Thanks for digging into the nuance. It really matters. A piece of the puzzle that has only become clear to me since this round of conflict is that, before the Balfour Declaration, Muslims did not have a "Jewish problem " Europe had a Jewish problem, greatly intensified by the Holocaust. Europe simply decided to shrug that problem off on the Muslims rather than rectify centuries of injustice imposed upon the Ashkenazi.
Eyeroll to you In fairness to the Germans, it was the pagan germans and the eastern europeans who took in the disapora after the jews were expelled from Rome. The germans and europeans as a while owe the jews nothing since they were never paid back for the largess of taking them in and shielding them from the Romans to begin with. The Muslims, alongside the Jews in Spain, also dominated the local population for 700s years which lead to the reconquista and the inquisition both of which were fair events in light of the enslavement of Spain. Seems more like the Jews had a "can't found their own nation" problem and needed the white man to give them one the second time.
Dr Viktor Frankl's Auschwitz memoir and study "Man's Search For Meaning" doesn't mention Israel. He went home to Vienna in 1945. He gave a speech about this in 1988. He offered his thoughts on some of what you've been thinking about. "Collective guilt does not exist" - Dr Viktor Frankl is the name someone put on this speech and posted it here on UA-cam with English subtitles.
This whole 'trauma' or 'psychosis' as you say could be healed in a day if the US pulls its blind support and tells Israel to start seriously working on one- democratic State
That's what a Mizrahi Israeli blogger, Alon Mizrahi, says. He said, just like a spoilt child whose never been told 'no' needs to be made to understand, so does the State of Israel. His prediction was that Iran would be the one do it in the end.
He is so right Decades ago an Israeli acquaintance ( who was from Sephardic background) had a disagreement with his Italian roommate over the dishes. It devolved into " the fault of the Roman Empire for its treatment of Jews" The Italian was confused, then got it. He said.." it is ridiculous, you are paranoid😅"
When I’ve expressed these same ideas I’ve been met with the subtle reaction that I was being somewhat antisemitic. Which I’m the furthest thing from. Thank you for this.
"By engaging in a protracted and violent conflict with Palestine, Israel creates a situation in which there is a present and continued threat to life and safety, a threat that is clearly external and concrete. The internal experience of annihilation anxiety is made manifest, and thus can be contended with, controlled, literally combated. One could also argue the related point that Israel’s military and occupation policies serve to create international distrust toward the state of Israel which then becomes--and is interpreted as--anti-Semitism, further concretizing the external threat. Loewenberg illustrates the fact that the state of Israel is a psychotic state, founded on trauma and repeating its trauma and projecting its trauma in a Freudian repetition compulsion on a scale so large and deadly it resists comprehension. " p90 Jewish annihilation anxiety : diasporic legacies of trauma Alexandra T. Samets Smith College (2015)
Outstanding piece, Daniel! Very cogent and clear thinking and dissection of a topic purposely obfuscated. I am a fan of your dad and brother and I see you have that same light burning very bright indeed.
Thanks Daniel, wanted to hear that for too long. Would love to bring in the history of Lebanon into this and see how much more we can understand. You are a beautiful human
Very interesting perspective. Jewish voices like yours are so important to hear in all of this. Also enjoy you on Bad Hasbara Daniel,and your video with Tadgh (Tad gehuh 😂) Hickey while here in Ireland was a hoot.
A friend of mine passed recently, the pastor read from the bible and talked about serving your own generation. I think it meant to be kind and make things better for those around you. I have learned much from this broadcast. Thank you.
What you address is valid and should be incorporated into the History of Israel & why the Palestinians were ignored.... Just as in the United States, having slaves ,hasn't been addressed...when there are people who probably ,still are Racist. When Israel was established, the Palestinians weren't acknowledged & with each new area developed, it took away their land. Zionism, for the sake of having a land to call your own, should never be at the expense of anyone else. And it makes ,from my perspective, Benjamin Netanyahu, far more, dangerous, because it's only to harm....and continue the Zionism being, held as the most important thing. I think that what you have said ,could be addressed within the UN, the Haigue.... and there absolutely needs to be a 2 State solution. Thank you, Daniel, for speaking about this. 🙏
I used to be in favour of a 2 state solution but I now think that is impossible. Imagine WW2 ended with the Nazis being allowed to have their own state and everyone persecuted and tortured by them, survivors of concentration camps and people who's family's had been exterminated by them had to live in a separate state beside them. What Israel has been doing, which has culminated in this widely seen slaughter, has made the Israeli state unviable now in my opinion. How could anyone live beside a state that attempted to literally wipe them and all remnants of them from the region? And why should such a hateful, spiteful, racist and genocidal regime be allowed to continue? IMO a one state solution is the only answer. An actual democracy were everyone is represented and it is illegal to have different laws and rules depending on your race or religion.
@@i_hate_this_world completely agree. Further more being that Is-Not-Real is the testing ground for U.S. military industrial complex how long before "they" use Lavender on U.S./U.K protesters, descendants or anyone they please? I don't fear for myself as I do for other's.
I cherish this channel of communication. No matter what happens it's comforting to know that there is a direct line of communication with a person who has empathy and maybe sees the world in a similar way. Things are crazy out there and it's easy to become hopeless faced with hordes of unthinking cretans. So thank you.
Very powerful video, Daniel. Thank you for putting into words this very nuanced and complicated facet of the current situation. It's certainly is an important distinction to make when discussing the effects of the trauma.
For most kids, the first naked bodies they saw were in National Geographic or their dad's Playboys... the first photos I saw of naked bodies were of Jews being shoved into mass graves. All with an adult over my shoulder insisting "Never Again" and saying "YOU must make sure this never happens again." Then I was subjected to antisemitism in school (in WV), beaten up for being Jewish. Add in day school talks about how Israel was this happy socialist land where Jews could be safe, and I bought it, hook line and sinker. That propaganda is in and of itself traumatizing. It wasn't until Rachel Corrie was murdered that I finally let it all go and educated myself.
I’ve thought of this. At 67 now my first glance at naked male gentalia in photos was in formal large format books about 1968 at my friend’s house. Her dad had been WW2 prisoner, resistance fighter, stunted growth then married Brit and built life in nys. Always progressive and ahead of mainstream like organic gardens. Could not return to Poland for decades. Had perhaps Nuremberg type books.
This topic was the subject of an article in The Journal of Analytical Psychology, 2022, 67, I, 105-115: After the catastrophe: working with the intergenerational transmission of collective trauma in Jungian analysis. Brian Feldman an analyst and author, shares some insights into the issues discussed here.
Very interesting and enlightening commentary (especially the part about Mizrahi Jews). But I couldn’t keep from wondering: If the idea of “holocaust trauma” is rendered partially invalid, partly due to the passage of time since 1948, then could the same be said of Nakba trauma, since the Nakba also occurred in 1948? I think the answer to this question is that the Nakba didn’t end in 1948, as the holocaust did, but is ongoing.
Lavender : The AI machine developed by Israel directing Israel's Bombing Spree in Gaza The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination ,using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and permissive policy for civilian casualties : 15 acceptable civilian casualties for someone assessed as low level Hamas terrorists :100 for the more senior. No investiagtion follows to see if the target is indeed killed . Every Gaza residents is assessed and the standard procedure is to carry out a targeted attack when the person returns home to his family .ensuring that at least 10 others and possibly more are killed . Long gone with Israel is the policy in war of avoiding civilian casualties .THEY ARE GUARANTEED . The first thing to say is on what authority does Israel think it can assess an entire civilian population. Second what are the criteria : someone's social media account and phone activity . The assessment mechanism thoroughly flawed . Thirdly :the likely civilian casualties are bound to be higher if they are at home with their family . Overall Lavender on October 7th Identified more than 37,000 likely low level supporters of Hamas . Work that one out with the acceptable CIVILIAN casualties :- Something over 500,000. That is how the massacre Army the IDF fights it's illegal war to maintain the illegal State of Israel.
I'm actually a Holocaust scholar. I claim that title having written analysis of material for a chap that started a Department of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at a state's primary university. It branched into several departments. Who looks at the Holodomor? Finkelstein, far more than me (with Raul Hillberg's approval at his main contentions), discusses the mususe of the Holocaust. It's a cycle of victim, to entitlement, to atrocity. The Germans had the same problem, but that also threatens more stupidity. Trurh is, we're a tribal species that can't celebrate differences, but we sure can try to look like we do.
I have heard a few other Israeli dissidents describe the education system as purposefully traumatising Israeli kids with the holocaust in a way that they feel like it just happened to them, so they become angry and afraid.
Daniel, I so appreciate your doing this video. I sometimes get confused between you and your brother but actually your brother is of course very young and has that quality-- je ne said quoi--of the young,while your father of course is older and has that tremendous gravitas in his presentation and his penetration of any topic. BUT I really really like listening to you because I can relate more easily. I just recently saw Lex Friedman's podcast with the comedian from Egypt, Bassem. I would love to hear a conversation between you and him. He's Egyptian (American now) and he has a Palestinian wife and I believe children. I think the distinction you made is critical and essential in order to really truly understand what is occurring. It was just yesterday I read an article where they detained certain Palestinians and they supposedly are helping them to heal from some injuries and they have only one doctor in attendance and other medical staff: They shackle their hands together and their legs together and they blindfold them 24/7& sometimes they are shackled to a fense in addition. Apparently the shackling has induced the necessity of amputations which occur with the patient still blindfolded. The horror of even reading this was beyond the pale but I saved it to my Gmail because I have to remember one day what the Zionist Jews did to the Palestinians. To me it is actually worse than the Holocaust because it's gone on for 75 years with many years preceding that as you noted because the Zionist movement began definitely before World War II. The people who began it were atheists of Jewish lineage who obviously wanted land and power. DON'T we all? BUT most of us have a moral compass that guides us in our desire to have our own little piece of land and have our own little bit of power. POWER simply means, coming from the Latin, to be able ( ie podere). The horror of the psychosis of the Zionist Jews in the Zionist land has absolutely darkened my days ever since October 7th. I have been to the Holy Land in the 80s and had no knowledge of the horror that was occurring although I think it was after that time that it began to increase in intensity and in duration throughout the Holy Land. I have decided that as the Zionist Jews in a Zionist land have a psychosis that is beyond the pale, they will NEVER be able to figure out a solution and definitely NEVER would be able to establish peace on this holy soil. IT will be the American Jews such as yourself who will be able to facilitate this along with the Palestinians, especially those who live in America and therefore have a certain distance from the horror . Bassam, the Egyptian comedian, previously a surgeon,has become an American citizen. Perhaps you can call him and establish a rapport such that you can begin to think about a solution. He does say in all modesty he has NO solution but I truly think that it will only come about by talking and only talking between two people who mentally are clear and do not have this psychosis of which you speak. From childhood the Zionist Jews are inculcated in this cult which is what it is because it's not a religion. EVEN if they claim to be l atheists, they still belong to the cult. A solution will only be facilitated by people who are outside of the cult. I truly hope that you can join together with other folk of clear mind and open ❤️ and begin the work that is needed to work out a solution. When I was in the Holy Land in the 80s,I actually even worked on a kibbutz, but in short order I realized what someone has expressed so beautifully, that although the zionists think the land BELONGS to them, actually the Palestinians BELONG to the land. I think you understand what I'm saying when I say that. Thank you and I hope to hear more from you and I hope that you consider my suggestion as a possibility to seeking a solution. I know you are an artist and you are a musician and perhaps you can use that in your work to create a solution to this horror that we are all being forced to live through. Thx😊
Thank you, Daniel, for posting your thoughts here. Very thoughtful, educational explanation and analysis. I hope your contribution here travels widely to all that need to hear it. Love and Light 🌍🕊️
As humans we have to think, not just let be. Thinkers are the ones who make a difference. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and explaining. You and your family have my love and respect. My respect and love goes to all the Jewish brothers and sisters who are raising their voices against genocide and Injustice. Thank you 🙏
Enjoy your blustery trip in Ireland. When are you coming to Scotland ? Very dark times ahead. The Hate crime bill was passed here on the 1st April and this is very similar to what happened in the 1930's in germany
So glad that you have made these observations known. I have made the same. But as a Christian, It is Verboten. The power to police my thought is an AWESOME POWER that many are waking up to.🎉Please know that I DO salute this objective truth.
I found you through Bad Hasbara. Your words are so insightful and compassionate, and it gives me (not Jewish) a lot of perspective. The morality of the situation is cut and dry, but the reasons behind everything are indeed complex. Having more context helps me feel more confident in speaking up myself. The comment section is full of great insight, as well.
Thank you for your nuanced presentation. Getting more in to the light about what has been really going on, can only help us grow. Yes, I needed this clarification and this wider perspective. Antisemittism and the Holocaust has stained Europe, so as a European, I may only see that. You changed that. Thanks.❤ I have
The late great Gerald Kaufman Labour MP. ‘My Grandmother didn’t die at the hands of the Nazis to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian Grandmothers in Gaza’. What happened during the Holocaust was horrific beyond belief, however two wrongs don’t make right.
59 years ago my parents took me the Bergen Belson. I knew nothing about the war or the holocaust. Although Belsen has been destroyed a record during the time it was used in images horrofied me as did the mass graves. I asked my dad why, this happened, and he never answered me. When I grew older, I researched what happened to a society that was cultured and informed to allow the atrocities to hapoen. It's not simple, but it boils down to this, the jews became scapegoats for the awful price Germany played for WWI. They were dehumanised, called rats and animals. Propaganda was fed constantly to the German people and the children were groomed from the 1930s into nazism and their ideology, a recipe to turn ordinary people into monsters. I see the same process by Israel towards the Palestinians people, it seems never again isn't for the Palestinians
I am not jews or Arab or westerners. I am so fascinated by how people can be shallow or deep , how people can stay in borderline or be free. I Think jews community is playing one the most important rules now by standing in front line protecting all the protesters around the world.Unfortunately, they have always been this threat of being accused of antisemitism to shut up any protest against Israel government. People who lost their job or freedom for telling the truth. You actually open the door for next generation to hopefully pass the borders of countries, religions and cultures and be one.maybe one day religion is only a language for people who wants to connect with their spiritual worlds and every culture to be cherished by every person. I respect you .Thank you
i would like to thank you for your honesty on this critical topic...i think it will enlighten the people who still don't have a clue of what s going on . thank you brother!
As a Palestinian who is fully aware of what the Holocaust was about and totally compassionate with all its victims, as well as being aware of how many Palestinians are sick of the abuse of such an atrocity; it pains me that we as a human race couldn't keep the promise of "never again". In the aftermath of the Holocaust, we promised ourselves to get better under the patronage of the hegemonic West but we didn't keep the promise.
The Western governments have not kept that promise even in the aftermath of Nazi Genocide they supported another ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. "Never again" has lost all meaning when we have yet to learn from the atrocities of the past.
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You did not read the fine print. They meant "never again" for them.
the hegemonic West. You mean "Big Money", the central banks, the transnational corporations and their servants in the deep state. In other words Mammon. The trouble with Mammon, the sin of covetousness, is it leads to great callousness and lack of empathy. Hence the slave trade, the oppression of the poor, wars of conquest, colonization, and genocide.
Never again is like international law, it doesn't apply when Israel does it.
It's heartbreaking how the Palestinians are forced to suffer in the most brutal ways imaginable for things they had no idea about nor hand in
The burden of history applies to the descendants of both perpetrators and victims. The Palestinians, on the other hand, are living the trauma.
Had no idea or hand in? You're wrong. And so is genocide
Can you explain why he’s wrong. Honest question.
@@FasterFaster196psychopaths are promoting more psychopathy. It takes a psycho to do these things against innocents.
You are full of shite. They are totally responsible. They voted for Hamas, fully knowing what their agenda was.
I have Armenian background - my mother's grandfather was the sole survivor of the Armenian genocide from his family. I could make the same argument about the Armenian genocide. The US has been trying to use the trauma/psychosis of the Armenian people for its political aims. The late Hrant Dink warned us about this before he was assassinated. He was worried that the Armenian diaspora was becoming an instrument of American imperialism. Also, I am extremely disappointed in the Armenian community for not standing up for Palestine. Never again means never again for anyone.
Kevork Almasian is doing justice.
The Armenian genocide is one the most overlooked mass atrocities in recent history, and we love the Armenian community & diaspora in Palestine
Long live Armenian nation. ❤❤
@@zhillaburns1160 that’s not the point - long live ALL nations. Nationalism is poison. We need to snap out of this tribal mentality.
The US and France are sniffing around Armenia now. Georgia wouldn't accept their bs, so they went next door. I'm very worried Pashinyan will make a deal out of spite towards Russia.
My cello teacher, Jacob Blatt, was a Holocaust escapee from Vienna. His Mom and sister died in Auschwitz in 1944. In 1970 he was so horrified by Kissinger and Nixon he decided the US was going down a fascist path, so he and his wife moved to Haifa,where he playing in the symphony. I later found out from his grandson they didn't trust Israel either, and returned...he missed the US. Jake was on the most wanted list of the Gestapo...he had a horror of anything like a police state.
LOL I've heard some of them who were born after the war talk about how their entire family died in Auschwitz, including their parents. 😂😂😂
@@RootofEcstasy probably, but in the US I so often see claims of "we survived the Holocaust" re: excuse to be genocidal - which is untrue in most cases with most Jews having come before the 40s, and just feels like treating those who did not survive as a weapon of self interested rhetoric above all. Their memory being weaponized in this way is real convenient for those doing it because said Holocaust victims are not alive to protest it
please look at my comments here . I would love to know what you think.
@@slappy8941your parents can be killed after you were born, did you know? They might have sent their kids to other countries like the UK, or in other families like with Soros.
I’m an Israeli Jew born and raised in Russia. Thank you very much for expressing so eloquently what I myself think about the Israeli society, the Holocaust and the brutal assault of and crimes against the Palestinian People, especially in Gaza. The Israeli education seems to suffer from multiple grave flaws, including but not limited to the inculcation of religious dogmas, worshiping the Nation, the State, the Army and the Flag. However nothing seems to be as evil as the retraumatizing the kids with the Holocaust. They make students feel as if they were themselves Holocaust victims amidst Nazi surroundings. This hallucinatory brainwashing is so strong, that the kids indeed see the world as a bunch of antisemites. This is diametrically opposed to the true lesson one should have learned from the Holocaust: be kind and respectful towards the other groups, peoples and beliefs; if you belong to a privileged majority in your country, make sure the minorities enjoy equal rights. However, learning the right lesson was impossible in a country that illegally occupies lands despite protests from the International Community, defying the International Law.
I was appreciating your insight of Israeli culture and agree with you about the danger on Jewish psyches of this trauma brainwashing. However wow this is not genocide by any stretch of the imagination. AND to uphold international law as if it’s law at all is creepy. The UN is so corrupt it’s dangerous. 50+ Muslim countries vote in a block with China and Russia against Israel on a regular basis. Not one democracy. All authoritarian. All with civil rights violations and many true genocides. Who polices these countries??? Not international law. Not one Muslim country has equal rights for women. Jews have been driven out or annihilated. I appreciate your spotlight on Israel society. It’s a shame you don’t use it to evaluate on any other country.
Even in the UK Jewish schools children are exposed to this in a similarly traumatic way at much too young an age. I got the impression from one young chap that the holocaust was framed for him as "Hitler hated you and your people".
Growing up in Northern Ireland in the 1970s, we were not exposed educationally to the brutalities of the oppression of Ireland by the UK until we were in our early teens, and it was then presented in a factual manner, showing both sides, the history and politics, and never claiming that it was against us personally because we were Irish or Catholic and hated for it.
When I heard about this 6 or 7 year old child recounting his day at school, I was horrified that they had done this to such a young person and reflected how differently my outlook on life would be, and the fate of my country and the UK would be, had I and my generation been exposed to the conflict in my country in a similarly emotional and persecutory way at such a young age.
@@i_hate_this_world thanks for your input. I think Hitler indeed hated Jews for their religion and ethnicity, for being Jewish. However, the mainstream Israelis seem to conclude wrong lessons from the Holocaust. They should have concluded that fascism is not only evil when directed against the Jews, but rather *as such*, when it is directed against ANY other group. So when they dehumanize Palestinians they commit an evil act. But they seem to believe that fascism directed against Palestinians isn’t that bad.
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@@quent94181The Zionist's existed long before Hitler. They went to Palestina long before Holocaust. That time the UK had the mandatory on the land.
The Holocaust syndrome in Germany, Italy, Ukraine etc. has never changed. Its still going on in Gaza.
They are basically brothers of the humans in Israel.
The bible is full of fights story in that region.
For me as a Christian their is no Holly land.
Christ was killed. I don't know what their waiting for.
Christ gave us so many examples how to behave.
For shure the Zionist's are misusing the Holly Bible.
"I remember how it was in 1948 when Israel was being established and all my Jewish friends were ecstatic, I was not. I said, what are we doing? We are establishing ourselves in a ghetto, in a small corner of a vast Muslim sea. The Muslims will never forget nor forgive, and Israel, as long as it exists, will be embattled. I was laughed at, but I was right. I can’t help but feel that the Jews didn’t really have the right to appropriate a territory only because 2000 years ago, people they consider their ancestors, were living there. History moves on and you can’t really turn it back." -Isaac Asimov (1920-1992)
a sound of reason in the sea of lunacy
I’ve wanted to voice something like this for ages, but as a non-Jew didn’t feel I had the right.
Free speech is a right. Speak your mind and don't play by the controller's rules
You have a MORAL DUTY. This is GENOCIDE.
The problem is that the propaganda goes paste Hitlers face on Mussolini and then you can cherry pick history, No genocides ever fed gave medical care housed and clothed people they were about to exterminate, The genocide was done by Hitler and Speer who were stealing real estate namely the Jewish betto around the Brandenburg gate
The truth is every 80 years for the last 400 years plus the Jews go crazy and they have another pogram.
The Zionists don't want the truth told because it would expose their complicity, All those soviet records shipping dockets etc.
Polish Jews selling arm to the enemies and also American Jews like Schiff and Weiss did them no favours I can throw documented facts about this all day long
@@fgv1001 You totally misunderstand! I have spoken up about the genocide every day!! I was referring to the specific point of Daniel’s regarding the Holocaust in the 40s being used as a way of justifying any kind of horrific treatment of others.
@@theophany1770 Again you totally misunderstand my point.
He said it. He actually said it out loud. The words and the ideas are now out and existing in the world. Well said Mr. Mate.
I have been using the term "Trauma psychosis" for a couple of months - which to me allows for the purposeful weaponization of any trauma to create heinous acts of violence. Psychosis being a state of mind that is detached from reality and that mass murderers can go in and out of, maybe at will, to justify their actually unjustifiable behavior.
…and that excuse has worn thin over the past seventy five years ! I’ve been thinking a lot about it to justify the savage response to October 7
The Zionists worked with Hitler to create the Holocaust ... soo clearly the Holocaust was not a religious issue but a very cruel and cynical use and abuse of Jewish people to bring about the state of Israel
@@redherring6154I think that's due to a successful mind control campaign
So non-vegans are also in a state of psychosis? Makes sense as they pet their dog and eat a chicken.
The problem is that the state has propagandized the education of it's citizens to have that psychosis an inherent part of their being, there are some that can break free, but most can not.
As a non jew i got dragged from one holocaust museum to the next holocaust exhibition during the 70's, no idea why i as a child was exposed to all of that but i guess it all makes sense now
Yeah you were being brainwashed the the eternal enemy.
And don't forget about the endless array of Hollywood produced movies and tv show-ahs that most of us in NATO controlled countries have been watching since the 1980s/90s, but I guess it all makes sense now.
@@Exodus-kq9hi show-ahs : )
@@Exodus-kq9hi tv show-ash : )
@@RGBAnarchy Since Oct 1+1+3 plus two definitely noticed a marked influx of, and let me completely frank here, Anne related books in all bookstores. I wonder where Hind Rajab's book is...... Oh wait, she never learned how to read and write.
This was well nuanced and helped me understand my conflicting feelings about this issue. Thanks Daniel.
Agreed! 👍
Thank you Daniel for your well thought out and considerable clarity on this very important subject. I can only hope that this is shared with as many concerned people as possible. In this particular arena where there is so much intentional confusion and misinformation your messages and thoughts on this subject are urgently needed! Bless you and your family for your collective efforts. They bring me and many others hope for the possibility of a better understanding of the underlying issues and remedies that become possible by working with those understandings.
Thank and bless you for making that distinction for us.
I think Norman Finkelstein is a very clear example of someone to whom the memory of the Holocaust had the opposite effect of this Holocaust psychosis you describe.
His parents had severe ongoing Holocaust trauma which permeated the family home while he was growing up in New York (they had both survived Auschwitz and Majdanek camps respectively), but they refused to have anything to do with the State of Israel as soon as they saw the methods it used to make the land its own. He says that it was because of what they taught him that he dedicated his career to opposing the actions of the Israeli state. It's pertinent that he has been so viley accused of abusing his parents’ memory and of self-hate for his stance. I think his writing of 'The Holocaust Industry' did come from a very deep disgust and no doubt anger at the way that that genocide was used afterwards in different ways.
Although I don’t personally know any Israelis who claim that their own 'inherited trauma' somehow makes understandable all that their State is doing, I think this view must come from a kind of indoctrination as you say, and/or self-deception.
Yes. Self-deception in abusive environments is a mal-adaptive coping style, and often tied to indoctrination. Humans often want to belong, and if the people surrounding someone that they trust growing up model exceptionalism/ superiority/racism, it's likely going to take a lot more effort to question and reject that mindset, and thus risk self-alienation. ( I don't know why, but what seems expressed online is a grafting of re-traumatization. Many people who grew up during suicide bombings in Israel chose to see that as affirmation/proof to their indoctrination, but not question how the country was formed and the experiences of Palestinians. So, the stories they were taught and experiences are framed a certain way. This grows into a fused vine, obscuring and distracting from a clearer view of factual events.)
@@Liberte-bq5rc Mr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And your final point is just a deflection from the point. It’s not so much about who has a right to be anywhere. It’s more about how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
@@Liberte-bq5rc Mr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And regarding your final point, I would say it’s not so much about who has a right to be anywhere as much as how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
Norm said it was when Israel switched support from the Soviet Union to the US that disgusted his parents.
@@Liberte-bq5rcMr Finkelstein is one of the last prominent voices on the left to be still calling for a two state solution, so until now he hasn’t been making a case for anyone “moving” anywhere, apart from maybe the illegal settlements, so in that sense I don’t know what you mean. Your second comment seemed to be yet another ad hominem attack on him which is nothing new for him. And regarding your final point, it’s not so much who has a right to be anywhere. It’s more how one treats the people who are living there when one arrives.
Daniel... Keep talking and don't ever stop ❤
Daniel, thank you so much for explaining this. We are so very grateful for your presence and your measured and yet passionate, authentic voice in this world. 🙏🏻🕊 you are the author of so much revelation…🙏🏻
Daniel, you truly have a way with words and concepts. It is a gift and at this moment in time and history invaluable. Truly grateful for you! ❤️🕊️💚
Thank you Sir for your well balanced view on this heartbreaking situation the Palestinians are going through .
Thank you for talking about this so openly and honestly.
I've been an advocate for Palestine since 2003 (and then became an activist against the Iraq War, of course).
I've been so overwhelmed by sadness and hopelessness, and I really don't have any loved ones to lean on. Sometimes I just cry and cry. Your videos help me.
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You are a wonderful person of conscience. Daniel’s videos help me too.
This makes us united by loneliness, perhaps a little less lonely...
Nisi jedini,molimo se za Palestinu,ti si ❤
How about BLM don’t you care?
I feel it's a form of projection, where the victim aquires the traits of thier oppressors so they are not subjugated ever again. A defense mechanism.
The ones doing this in Gaza are not holocaust victims. The children of holocaust victims don't support the subjugation of Palestine. It is fellow jews who were not victimized taking advantage.
It is capitalism that is doing it. Capitalist jews, Christian or any other religion. It's about money made through war.
@@sapnaa6576 Yes of course, but I'm not talking about the Holocaust in particular. It's about many generations of antisemitism in Europe and Russia. And the narrative of an endangered people ingrained in Israel.
I'm no psychologist, I'd leave that to my betters like Dr. Gabor Mate. But I feel the zionists have aquired some traits from their past oppressors as a defense mechanism. The projection I mentioned is based on the same antisemitism as they are projecting the Arabs into the same group as their past oppressors.
I probably sound like a moron, I'll see myself out 😂. I only participated in an open forum that is the chat section.
@@sapnaa6576 You are right, but I'm not talking about the Holocaust, but antisemitism as a whole in past Eu and Rs. They may be projecting that oppression of the past to an entirely new set of people, the Arabs. And the narrative is that of an endangered people over there. There is some more trauma there than just what has happened 48 onwards.
No justification.
Thank you so much for this! I couldn't put my finger on the uncomfortable sense I was feeling. Thank you for providing clarity and acknowledging the ick factor I've been experiencing.
Collective psychosis.
Complemented by nationalism.
Thank you for sharing your experience and wisdom with such moral clarity. As an outsider who has admittedly spent a lot of time learning about this since 9/11, I think your analysis is spot on. I cannot imagine how it must feel to see your history and the crimes perpetrated against your ancestors used as a cheap excuse to steal and murder.
Thankyou, Daniel, for your compelling analysis and your deep humanity.
It's easy to confuse trauma with psychosis as they will
often feed eachother.
As the granddaughter of Polish Jewish immigrants who came to the UK before the Holocaust, I know trauma from pogroms was 'handed down'.
My mother suffered psychosis, and her siblings and some of their children were vulnerable in different ways.
So grateful for your clarity on this. In solidarity.
Hope you enjoyed Ireland Daniel, we didn't have the best weather for you, but that's pretty typical. Love you on Bad Hasbara!
what's the most popular boys name in Galway Ireland?
Your walk 'n talks are becoming legends. Mindblowing everytime.
Thank you Daniel. And a huge thank you to your brother and father for their deep humanity.
And a obviously incredible mom
And the beautiful gifted ladies Rae and Hannah
Yes indeed! Thank you for sharing your invaluable and much needed insights Daniel and for speaking out so ardently. Thank you also to Aaron and Gabor likewise. Not in my name 🙏💛
I have given this a lot of thought, Holocaust/Israel-Palestine scholar 30 + years, I have yet to come to a definitive conclusion on Holocaust trauma.
A ‘Hierarchy of Trauma’; it sets the boundaries of social acceptably, the 1,200 Israeli lives lost on 7th October somehow having more value than than the trauma felt by the parents of the 2,171 Palestinian children killed by Israel between 1st January 2000 and 6th October 2023; or the 32,000 + Palestinians killed since 7th October 2023. Soldiers Versus Terrorists
People are conditioned to see terrorism as an act by a non-state actor, the archetypal terrorist group’; this is what news, film, and culture tells us.
This approach is ‘Actor-Centric’ it focuses purely on the actor, the group, and their traits.
In opposition to ‘Actor-Centric’ is ‘Act-Centric’ which emphasises the unique aspects of terrorism from other acts of violence, like self-defence.
Act-Centric focuses on the Act of Terrorism not the Actors of Terrorism to define what terrorism actually is; as opposed to a US State Department or U.K. designation as a terrorist group.
"Even when definitions of terrorism allow for state terrorism, state actions in this area tend to be seen through the prism of war or national self-defense, not terror."
Henry Commager (1902-98)
The Duck Test of Abductive Reasoning
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
The ‘Western’ definition of Ethnic Cleansing is dependent on who is doing the cleansing, not the actual ‘Act of Ethnic Cleansing’. It is a Group-Focused approach, not an Act-Focused approach.
The true definition of Ethnic Cleansing: the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, or religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous.
UN Report: Israeli settlement activities have intensified since November 2023; 4,780 illegal Israeli housing units were advanced or approved in settlements in Area C across the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem.
Citing the lack of Israeli-issued building permits which are almost impossible for Palestinians to obtain, Israeli authorities demolished, seized, or forced people to demolish 300 structures, displacing 314 people, including 137 children.
Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention states: “The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” It also prohibits “individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from an occupied territory.”
The UN Report stated, numerous Israeli officials called for the ‘voluntary migration’ of Palestinians from Gaza and the re-establishment of settlements there, with a minister posting on social media that Israel should “continue to pressure them, using force, starvation, and ‘difficult conditions’!
An Israeli member of the Knesset called on his country “to occupy, to annex, to destroy all the houses in Gaza and to build large settlements.”
The Hierarchy of Genocide; Act verses Actors.
The Darfur genocide is the systematic killing of ethnic Darfuri people which happened in Western Sudan. It has become known as the first genocide of the 21st century.
80, 000 - 400, 000 killed. Internationally recognised ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Rohingya genocide Myanmar (Burma) 25,000 + killed. Internationally recognised ethnic cleansing and genocide.
The Chinese government is committing human rights abuses against Uyghurs and other ethnic and religious minorities in Xinjiang that is characterized as persecution or as genocide. 12,000 + killed. Western Recognition of ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Israel kills 33,000 + Palestinians, including 14,000 children, destroys the entire infrastructure of Gaza. “Oh no it isn’t genocide”. The only places that don’t recognise it as ethnic cleansing and genocide is the USA, UK and Europe. The Rest of the World does recognise it for what it is.
Daniel, I hope you read these comments. I want you to know how much this video means to me. I was able to share your video with ppl from different ethnic and religious affiliations who agreed that your commentary is on point and inclusive in comparison for all of humanity 🙏
Truth liberates…l’audace- encore, bravo, toujours Monsieur Maté
By engaging in a protracted and violent conflict with Palestine, Israel creates a situation in which there is a present and continued threat to life and safety, a threat that is clearly external and concrete. The internal experience of annihilation anxiety is made manifest, and thus can be contended with, controlled, literally combated. One could also argue the related point that Israel’s military and occupation policies serve to create international distrust toward the state of Israel which then becomes--and is interpreted as--anti-Semitism, further concretizing the external threat. Loewenberg illustrates the fact that the state of Israel is a psychotic state, founded on trauma and repeating its trauma and projecting its trauma in a Freudian repetition compulsion on a scale so large and deadly it resists comprehension. " p90 Jewish annihilation anxiety : diasporic legacies of trauma Alexandra T. Samets Smith College (2015)
Great quote! Definitely going to try using this in letter to Zionist thank you @@seanomaille8157
Single crimes= 400+ centuries of slavery. The perpetrators are never studied
سورة البقرة
وَإِذْ قُلْتُمْ يَا مُوسَىٰ لَنْ نَصْبِرَ عَلَىٰ طَعَامٍ وَاحِدٍ فَادْعُ لَنَا رَبَّكَ يُخْرِجْ لَنَا مِمَّا تُنْبِتُ الْأَرْضُ مِنْ بَقْلِهَا وَقِثَّائِهَا وَفُومِهَا وَعَدَسِهَا وَبَصَلِهَا ۖ قَالَ أَتَسْتَبْدِلُونَ الَّذِي هُوَ أَدْنَىٰ بِالَّذِي هُوَ خَيْرٌ ۚ اهْبِطُوا مِصْرًا فَإِنَّ لَكُمْ مَا سَأَلْتُمْ ۗ وَضُرِبَتْ عَلَيْهِمُ الذِّلَّةُ وَالْمَسْكَنَةُ وَبَاءُوا بِغَضَبٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ كَانُوا يَكْفُرُونَ بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَيَقْتُلُونَ النَّبِيِّينَ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ ۗ ذَٰلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوْا وَكَانُوا يَعْتَدُونَ ﴿٦١﴾
Surah al-Baqarah
61. And when you said, “O Moses, we cannot endure one kind of food. So call upon your Lord on our behalf: that He may produce for us of what the earth grows: of its herbs, its cucumbers, its garlic, its lentils, and its onions.” He said, “Will you exchange what is good for what is worse? Go down to a town, and you will have what you asked for.” They were stricken with disgrace and misery, and incurred wrath from Allah. That was because they rejected Allah’s revelations and wrongfully killed the prophets. That was because they disobeyed and committed aggression
This is so interesting to see because as a therapist I thought the same when I visited said location. It seems like mass shared psychosis.
Thanks for digging into the nuance. It really matters. A piece of the puzzle that has only become clear to me since this round of conflict is that, before the Balfour Declaration, Muslims did not have a "Jewish problem " Europe had a Jewish problem, greatly intensified by the Holocaust. Europe simply decided to shrug that problem off on the Muslims rather than rectify centuries of injustice imposed upon the Ashkenazi.
Eyeroll to you
In fairness to the Germans, it was the pagan germans and the eastern europeans who took in the disapora after the jews were expelled from Rome. The germans and europeans as a while owe the jews nothing since they were never paid back for the largess of taking them in and shielding them from the Romans to begin with.
The Muslims, alongside the Jews in Spain, also dominated the local population for 700s years which lead to the reconquista and the inquisition both of which were fair events in light of the enslavement of Spain.
Seems more like the Jews had a "can't found their own nation" problem and needed the white man to give them one the second time.
Glad you shouted out Ilan Pappé ✊
Dr Viktor Frankl's Auschwitz memoir and study "Man's Search For Meaning" doesn't mention Israel. He went home to Vienna in 1945. He gave a speech about this in 1988.
He offered his thoughts on some of what you've been thinking about.
"Collective guilt does not exist" - Dr Viktor Frankl
is the name someone put on this speech and posted it here on UA-cam with English subtitles.
thank you for the reference - going to check it out now
Yes ty! Did I read that?🤔 " Collective guilt does not exist" where/when did I read/hear that? But I do know that. Ty again will read the book
My moms still traumatized about the potato famine
This whole 'trauma' or 'psychosis' as you say could be healed in a day if the US pulls its blind support and tells Israel to start seriously working on one- democratic State
That's what a Mizrahi Israeli blogger, Alon Mizrahi, says. He said, just like a spoilt child whose never been told 'no' needs to be made to understand, so does the State of Israel. His prediction was that Iran would be the one do it in the end.
And the entire nation to go see shrinks
and that would happen if we're not for rich Zionists funding AIPAC
He is so right
Decades ago an Israeli acquaintance ( who was from Sephardic background) had a disagreement with his Italian roommate over the dishes.
It devolved into " the fault of the Roman Empire for its treatment of Jews"
The Italian was confused, then got it.
He said.." it is ridiculous, you are paranoid😅"
Generational Trauma has been going on since the beginning of time. Thanks again, Daniel.
As a German who is still suffering sometimes over the Crimes my gandparent comited I thNk you fullhearted for this talk .❤❤❤
Thank you as always Daniel & thank you for the wonderful workshop in Cork 2 weeks ago. ❤
When I’ve expressed these same ideas I’ve been met with the subtle reaction that I was being somewhat antisemitic. Which I’m the furthest thing from. Thank you for this.
"By engaging in a protracted and violent conflict with Palestine, Israel creates a situation in which there is a present and continued threat to life and safety, a threat that is clearly external and concrete. The internal experience of annihilation anxiety is made manifest, and thus can be contended with, controlled, literally combated. One could also argue the related point that Israel’s military and occupation policies serve to create international distrust toward the state of Israel which then becomes--and is interpreted as--anti-Semitism, further concretizing the external threat. Loewenberg illustrates the fact that the state of Israel is a psychotic state, founded on trauma and repeating its trauma and projecting its trauma in a Freudian repetition compulsion on a scale so large and deadly it resists comprehension. "
p90 Jewish annihilation anxiety : diasporic legacies of trauma Alexandra T. Samets Smith College (2015)
Yes.
Actually, pg. 84. Still, the source is invaluable. Thank you.
Very thoughtful, reasonable and fair discernment of the issue. Beautifully said and as Emmerill said…… BAM!!
Brilliant, insightfull, humane, brave, inviting to share basic accountability.
Thank you, Daniel
Very enlightening, revealing and thought provoking as always.. thank you
Outstanding piece, Daniel! Very cogent and clear thinking and dissection of a topic purposely obfuscated.
I am a fan of your dad and brother and I see you have that same light burning very bright indeed.
When it's illegal to question something you know it's extra true!
Thanks Daniel, wanted to hear that for too long. Would love to bring in the history of Lebanon into this and see how much more we can understand. You are a beautiful human
Very interesting perspective. Jewish voices like yours are so important to hear in all of this. Also enjoy you on Bad Hasbara Daniel,and your video with Tadgh (Tad gehuh 😂) Hickey while here in Ireland was a hoot.
Every video that comes from the Mate Family is gold. Thank you for being a powerful and clear voice for the oppressed during this insanity. ❤
FACTS. Thank you for speaking out on this!! We need more people to do this!!!
Thank you Sir for speaking up !!! I AM SENDING YOU A VIRTUAL HUG !
Dziękuję Daniel...
Greetings from Poland.
A friend of mine passed recently, the pastor read from the bible and talked about serving your own generation. I think it meant to be kind and make things better for those around you. I have learned much from this broadcast. Thank you.
This is such an important discussion. Thanks for starting it.
What you address is valid and should be incorporated into the History of Israel & why the Palestinians were ignored....
Just as in the United States, having slaves ,hasn't been addressed...when there are people who probably ,still are Racist.
When Israel was established, the Palestinians weren't acknowledged & with each new area developed, it took away their land.
Zionism, for the sake of having a land to call your own, should never be at the expense of anyone else.
And it makes ,from my perspective, Benjamin Netanyahu, far more, dangerous, because it's only to harm....and continue the Zionism being, held as the most important thing.
I think that what you have said ,could be addressed within the UN, the Haigue....
and there absolutely needs to be a 2 State solution.
Thank you, Daniel, for speaking about this. 🙏
Agree! Definitely agree with your last statement
I used to be in favour of a 2 state solution but I now think that is impossible. Imagine WW2 ended with the Nazis being allowed to have their own state and everyone persecuted and tortured by them, survivors of concentration camps and people who's family's had been exterminated by them had to live in a separate state beside them.
What Israel has been doing, which has culminated in this widely seen slaughter, has made the Israeli state unviable now in my opinion. How could anyone live beside a state that attempted to literally wipe them and all remnants of them from the region? And why should such a hateful, spiteful, racist and genocidal regime be allowed to continue?
IMO a one state solution is the only answer. An actual democracy were everyone is represented and it is illegal to have different laws and rules depending on your race or religion.
@@i_hate_this_world completely agree. Further more being that Is-Not-Real is the testing ground for U.S. military industrial complex how long before "they" use Lavender on U.S./U.K protesters, descendants or anyone they please? I don't fear for myself as I do for other's.
@@i_hate_this_world what about no state ? pros and cons explanation , please?
I cherish this channel of communication. No matter what happens it's comforting to know that there is a direct line of communication with a person who has empathy and maybe sees the world in a similar way. Things are crazy out there and it's easy to become hopeless faced with hordes of unthinking cretans. So thank you.
Thank you for your tireless activism and for explaining such mind blowing historical and systemic complexities.
Very powerful video, Daniel. Thank you for putting into words this very nuanced and complicated facet of the current situation. It's certainly is an important distinction to make when discussing the effects of the trauma.
The land grab project started way before the H.
The H was a bonus which helped the realization of the land grab.
For most kids, the first naked bodies they saw were in National Geographic or their dad's Playboys... the first photos I saw of naked bodies were of Jews being shoved into mass graves. All with an adult over my shoulder insisting "Never Again" and saying "YOU must make sure this never happens again." Then I was subjected to antisemitism in school (in WV), beaten up for being Jewish. Add in day school talks about how Israel was this happy socialist land where Jews could be safe, and I bought it, hook line and sinker. That propaganda is in and of itself traumatizing.
It wasn't until Rachel Corrie was murdered that I finally let it all go and educated myself.
You were beaten up for being Jewish?
I’ve thought of this. At 67 now my first glance at naked male gentalia in photos was in formal large format books about 1968 at my friend’s house. Her dad had been WW2 prisoner, resistance fighter, stunted growth then married Brit and built life in nys. Always progressive and ahead of mainstream like organic gardens. Could not return to Poland for decades. Had perhaps Nuremberg type books.
How do you know the bodies were Jews?
This!! And I was like, millions had to die to get this state? What kind of plan is THAT?
This topic was the subject of an article in The Journal of Analytical Psychology, 2022, 67, I, 105-115: After the catastrophe: working with the intergenerational transmission of collective trauma in Jungian analysis. Brian Feldman an analyst and author, shares some insights into the issues discussed here.
Daniel, this is an amazing analysis!!! Thank you!
Very interesting and enlightening commentary (especially the part about Mizrahi Jews). But I couldn’t keep from wondering: If the idea of “holocaust trauma” is rendered partially invalid, partly due to the passage of time since 1948, then could the same be said of Nakba trauma, since the Nakba also occurred in 1948? I think the answer to this question is that the Nakba didn’t end in 1948, as the holocaust did, but is ongoing.
I have to upgrade it: Brilliant, Daniel!
Lavender : The AI machine developed by Israel directing Israel's Bombing Spree in Gaza
The Israeli army has marked tens of thousands of Gazans as suspects for assassination ,using an AI targeting system with little human oversight and permissive policy for civilian casualties : 15 acceptable civilian casualties for someone assessed as low level Hamas terrorists :100 for the more senior. No investiagtion follows to see if the target is indeed killed .
Every Gaza residents is assessed and the standard procedure is to carry out a targeted attack when the person returns home to his family .ensuring that at least 10 others and possibly more are killed .
Long gone with Israel is the policy in war of avoiding civilian casualties .THEY ARE GUARANTEED .
The first thing to say is on what authority does Israel think it can assess an entire civilian population.
Second what are the criteria : someone's social media account and phone activity . The assessment mechanism thoroughly flawed .
Thirdly :the likely civilian casualties are bound to be higher if they are at home with their family .
Overall Lavender on October 7th Identified more than 37,000 likely low level supporters of Hamas .
Work that one out with the acceptable CIVILIAN casualties :- Something over 500,000.
That is how the massacre Army the IDF fights it's illegal war to maintain the illegal State of Israel.
From 972 Magazine
Kiaora daniel watching this horror unfold has bn a complete nightmare. Holocaust pyschosis makes more sense !!
I'm actually a Holocaust scholar. I claim that title having written analysis of material for a chap that started a Department of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at a state's primary university. It branched into several departments. Who looks at the Holodomor? Finkelstein, far more than me (with Raul Hillberg's approval at his main contentions), discusses the mususe of the Holocaust. It's a cycle of victim, to entitlement, to atrocity. The Germans had the same problem, but that also threatens more stupidity. Trurh is, we're a tribal species that can't celebrate differences, but we sure can try to look like we do.
You gave perfect words to my thoughts, which I wanted to explain for so long but couldn't find exact words to do so. Thank you
I have heard a few other Israeli dissidents describe the education system as purposefully traumatising Israeli kids with the holocaust in a way that they feel like it just happened to them, so they become angry and afraid.
Daniel, I so appreciate your doing this video. I sometimes get confused between you and your brother but actually your brother is of course very young and has that quality-- je ne said quoi--of the young,while your father of course is older and has that tremendous gravitas in his presentation and his penetration of any topic. BUT I really really like listening to you because I can relate more easily. I just recently saw Lex Friedman's podcast with the comedian from Egypt, Bassem. I would love to hear a conversation between you and him. He's Egyptian (American now) and he has a Palestinian wife and I believe children.
I think the distinction you made is critical and essential in order to really truly understand what is occurring. It was just yesterday I read an article where they detained certain Palestinians and they supposedly are helping them to heal from some injuries and they have only one doctor in attendance and other medical staff: They shackle their hands together and their legs together and they blindfold them 24/7& sometimes they are shackled to a fense in addition. Apparently the shackling has induced the necessity of amputations which occur with the patient still blindfolded. The horror of even reading this was beyond the pale but I saved it to my Gmail because I have to remember one day what the Zionist Jews did to the Palestinians.
To me it is actually worse than the Holocaust because it's gone on for 75 years with many years preceding that as you noted because the Zionist movement began definitely before World War II. The people who began it were atheists of Jewish lineage who obviously wanted land and power. DON'T we all? BUT most of us have a moral compass that guides us in our desire to have our own little piece of land and have our own little bit of power. POWER simply means, coming from the Latin, to be able ( ie podere). The horror of the psychosis of the Zionist Jews in the Zionist land has absolutely darkened my days ever since October 7th.
I have been to the Holy Land in the 80s and had no knowledge of the horror that was occurring although I think it was after that time that it began to increase in intensity and in duration throughout the Holy Land. I have decided that as the Zionist Jews in a Zionist land have a psychosis that is beyond the pale, they will NEVER be able to figure out a solution and definitely NEVER would be able to establish peace on this holy soil. IT will be the American Jews such as yourself who will be able to facilitate this along with the Palestinians, especially those who live in America and therefore have a certain distance from the horror . Bassam, the Egyptian comedian, previously a surgeon,has become an American citizen. Perhaps you can call him and establish a rapport such that you can begin to think about a solution. He does say in all modesty he has NO solution but I truly think that it will only come about by talking and only talking between two people who mentally are clear and do not have this psychosis of which you speak.
From childhood the Zionist Jews are inculcated in this cult which is what it is because it's not a religion. EVEN if they claim to be l atheists, they still belong to the cult. A solution will only be facilitated by people who are outside of the cult. I truly hope that you can join together with other folk of clear mind and open ❤️ and begin the work that is needed to work out a solution.
When I was in the Holy Land in the 80s,I actually even worked on a kibbutz, but in short order I realized what someone has expressed so beautifully, that although the zionists think the land BELONGS to them, actually the Palestinians BELONG to the land. I think you understand what I'm saying when I say that. Thank you and I hope to hear more from you and I hope that you consider my suggestion as a possibility to seeking a solution. I know you are an artist and you are a musician and perhaps you can use that in your work to create a solution to this horror that we are all being forced to live through. Thx😊
Thank you, Daniel, for posting your thoughts here. Very thoughtful, educational explanation and analysis. I hope your contribution here travels widely to all that need to hear it. Love and Light 🌍🕊️
As humans we have to think, not just let be. Thinkers are the ones who make a difference. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and explaining. You and your family have my love and respect.
My respect and love goes to all the Jewish brothers and sisters who are raising their voices against genocide and Injustice. Thank you 🙏
Excellent video
Enjoy your blustery trip in Ireland. When are you coming to Scotland ? Very dark times ahead. The Hate crime bill was passed here on the 1st April and this is very similar to what happened in the 1930's in germany
What an incredibly articulate, honest and refreshing voice for humanity.
So glad that you have made these observations known. I have made the same. But as a Christian, It is Verboten. The power to police my thought is an AWESOME POWER that many are waking up to.🎉Please know that I DO salute this objective truth.
I found you through Bad Hasbara. Your words are so insightful and compassionate, and it gives me (not Jewish) a lot of perspective. The morality of the situation is cut and dry, but the reasons behind everything are indeed complex. Having more context helps me feel more confident in speaking up myself. The comment section is full of great insight, as well.
Thanks for the meaningful reflection and best of luck with your event.
Thank you for your nuanced presentation.
Getting more in to the light about what has been really going on, can only help us grow.
Yes, I needed this clarification and this wider perspective. Antisemittism and the Holocaust has stained Europe, so as a European, I may only see that. You changed that. Thanks.❤
I have
The late great Gerald Kaufman Labour MP.
‘My Grandmother didn’t die at the hands of the Nazis to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian Grandmothers in Gaza’.
What happened during the Holocaust was horrific beyond belief, however two wrongs don’t make right.
59 years ago my parents took me the Bergen Belson. I knew nothing about the war or the holocaust. Although Belsen has been destroyed a record during the time it was used in images horrofied me as did the mass graves. I asked my dad why, this happened, and he never answered me.
When I grew older, I researched what happened to a society that was cultured and informed to allow the atrocities to hapoen. It's not simple, but it boils down to this, the jews became scapegoats for the awful price Germany played for WWI. They were dehumanised, called rats and animals. Propaganda was fed constantly to the German people and the children were groomed from the 1930s into nazism and their ideology, a recipe to turn ordinary people into monsters.
I see the same process by Israel towards the Palestinians people, it seems never again isn't for the Palestinians
Well put, Daniel!
This is an important distinction that people need to understand. Thank you, Daniel.
7:20 first time I have heard this expressed, outside of my own thoughts. Very necessary indeed.
Really good points, Daniel. Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for sharing your views so insightfully and eloquently. Respect.
Thank you for putting words to what I know but is too painful to say
Love all the Mates ❤❤. You guys are admirable. Along with Max, Owen Jones, Dan Cohen and... I forget the name of the other gentleman.....
I am not jews or Arab or westerners. I am so fascinated by how people can be shallow or deep , how people can stay in borderline or be free. I Think jews community is playing one the most important rules now by standing in front line protecting all the protesters around the world.Unfortunately, they have always been this threat of being accused of antisemitism to shut up any protest against Israel government. People who lost their job or freedom for telling the truth. You actually open the door for next generation to hopefully pass the borders of countries, religions and cultures and be one.maybe one day religion is only a language for people who wants to connect with their spiritual worlds and every culture to be cherished by every person. I respect you .Thank you
Beautifully said.
so clarifying!
Thank you so much. Learning so much from you and grateful for your conscience & clarity.
Very good thinking and trying to clarify this issue that is loaded up with very painful emotions and radical disinformation by hyper powerful forces.
Thanks for your thoughts, very refreshing to hear different perspectives and thoughts
Brilliant analysis. Well done, massive love n respect for your whole family.
i would like to thank you for your honesty on this critical topic...i think it will enlighten the people who still don't have a clue of what s going on . thank you brother!
Such a great analysis. Thank you.
"flattening and cheapening both" is a good way of thinking about the problem