How Bad was Mario & Luigi Paper Jam?
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- Опубліковано 20 чер 2024
- Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam is an often overlooked game in a beloved series. Most peope see the game as a step in the right direction after the sub par Dream Team, Paper Jam was unable to bring back the same heights as previous games in the series. I want to see if the game is actually an underrated classic or just another blunder.
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0:00 Intro
2:07 Prologue: This Game is Good?
3:42 Fighting Is A Waste of Time
8:57 Earthbound
11:09 Toad Noises*
15:14 Nintendo Hates Paper Mario & You (Mostly You)
19:33 Conclusion - Ігри
I was really proud of how much I've improved in this video so I hope you like it :)
Like I said, I plan to continue these videos with other games in the series so stay tuned.
to all the dream team fans, don’t worry, I plan to go in on dream team with a fresh slate when I make the video.
even though I use it as the butt of the joke a few times, I’m not going to hate it based on my one playthrough as a kid I plan to have fun with the game :)
@@murmilio42069honestly i think dream team isnt bad but its not my favorite ever, its just more bis which isnt fun
@@CosmicSkyesWhat?
Ima be real with you bro I got this game just to see what's up with it I used ur video as a guide and honestly gameplay wise the problems u said u had I think it's just a skill issue for u bro amd the level up system is more based off superstar saga please get better at these kinda games a boss battle takes me 5 -7mins tops I already did 3 of them
I’ve never met anyone who considered dream team a negative instalment . Feel it’s better than paper jam because it has unique characters and locations
Even though I like Dream Team, it definitely has some notable flaws and I can understand why some people dislike it since the game is overly handholdy to the point where it feels like an insult to the player’s intelligence at times, the over abundance of tutorials gets annoying especially if you’re replaying the game (I also don’t get why they weren’t removed in hard mode), the beginning part of the game is painfully slow, the Dream World sections can feel like a chore at times, and the gyro controls can sometimes be a pain to work with.
The handholding can be averted since Dream Team is pretty difficult especially in Hard Mode
For sure😊
As we see between dream team and paper jam, we see that paper jam have even more animations and the better font of everything
Dream Team main flaw should be good to use as an example of *how not make a tutorial* . Tutorials should go to the point instead of going around and be redundant, and much less should be 4minutes custcenes. Maybe just the first time a fun custcene and now on a message which pop up.
DREAM TEAM IS NOT A BAD INSTALLMENT.
Big Facts
bro i swear people underestimate how good dream team is, i never owned a 3ds but still, everytime i wanted to watch a nice longplay videos when i was 9, it would be this game
I thought the reason for that was the whole bunch of tutorials
that dream team take is abysmal
Dream team is fire
Best game in the series
Already gonna dislike because you hate Dream Team
Dream team was so good.
@@chrisjohnson9542agreed 😊
@turtleanton6539 I know the M&L series takes inspiration from paper mario but I can't even hold you dream team really opened the door for me and the whole paper mario and mario and luigi series
Hahaha....
It's a joke, right ?
@@chrisjohnson9542itwas confusing
I'm of the idea of anyone's opinion being valid, but a lot of people liked Dream Team, i personally thought it was a fairly solid installment, not the best but pretty good in its own right so can we please keep the bashing on something more actuslyl deserving of it, i.e. Sticker Star
Preach! I won't stand for this Dream Team slander!
@@leomassafm160We stain Dream Team in THIS house.
Fans to Dream Team now: perhaps I treated you too harshly
At least it came out when Nintendo didn't have its ban on new characters.
A bit of a hot take but I thought Mario and Luigi dream team was a good game other than the 2d dreams it was what Mario and Luigi is about an original story with original characters and great music😊
Thats not really a hot take, as a pretty big part of the community including me likes this game
Dream team is underrated as hell
I say Partners in Time is far more underrated. Dream Team is a step up for having all the fan services; returning characters from past games and original characters stop existing after this game.
I actually liked paper jam
Get out
@@star_hat no
good gameplay mid story and lack of new characters
playing through it right now, it’s a decent game if you’re willing to look past the boring story (the dialogue writing is still peak alphadream)
I just finished paper jam minutes ago as I found a new copy for cheap. Story wise. It’s trash. Game play wise it’s pretty fire. Maybe because I heard this game was bad my, so my expectations were low. I loved all these games.
What do you expect for a Mario and Luigi game? It always have bad stories
@@therealjaystone2344 lol you're kidding.
I legitimately think paper jam has the best base gameplay and battles of the series. The abilities are actually fun to use in the overworld and paper mario in battle with his unique mechanics is super fun
3:21 ex fuckin scuse me?
Let's not forget that Paper Jam also failed to deliver even on the Mario & Luigi side of things. There were no M&L-specific characters other than Starlow, who has zero context other than "i'm just here". There were no continuity nods to the previous M&L games whether in the form of returning characters, species, etc and no brand new characters that were a core part of each other M&L game. I'm a bit worried about the implication that Dream Team is worse because it still had all those things, it iterated on the Elite Trio from BIS, brought back Popple from Superstar Saga and Kylie Koopa from Partners in Time as well as not only Broque Monsieur and Madame but new members of their species and even regular NPCs of that species, Beanish NPCs, and plenty of original ones too. For that reason Paper Jam is the only M&L game I consider an insult to the series it's part of, because it doesn't even bring back characters that would make total sense for the story it's trying to tell, like the Elite Trio. Not even TOADSWORTH. It is very blatantly sterilized and keeping only mainline characters beyond Starlow was clearly a bigger priority than any sort of consistency with all the other games including Dream Team. All things considered I'll defend Dream Team any day but Paper Jam gets no sympathy from me. At least Dream Team knew what series it was part of, story and character-wise. Paper Jam seemed to forget that M&L games are supposed to have characters beyond the core Mario cast and Starlow (and the previous games had context to why Starlow was there but PJ is just like "i'm here just because")
Even the M&L REMAKES made more original contributions to M&L's continuity than Paper Jam did. Say what you will about the gameplay of those side stories (it wasn't all that special) but those side stories made more continuity nods to M&L games outside the one being remade than Paper Jam bothered to do and that's actually impressively sad. The BIS remake even had three COMPLETELY ORIGINAL, BRAND NEW VILLAINS with designs as wild as M&L's wildest. Paper Jam has no excuse for how sterile and bland it is. The Paper Mario rep is bad, but the M&L rep is just as bad, and I'm baffled at how AlphaDream could have chosen to do this for exactly one game even if the interviews said it was their choice. It's just too out of character for the studio that otherwise is very passionate about the original lore and characters they've made for the M&L games, and spoke that way about every other entry besides PJ. I'm really not sure what sin Dream Team could have committed that makes it even close to PJ's level of bad, let alone worse. Its biggest flaw is being slow at times and the tutorials being a bit overbearing, at least it has an original story to tell and a cast of characters & settings befitting of a M&L game instead of a NSMB game. Oh and also it has TOADSWORTH (seriously you CAN'T have a M&L game without him, why did they kill his perfect attendance with PJ, whyyyyy)
The reason why Paper jam was bad is because, Dream team costed them soo much money with expectations to sell like BIS ( 3-4 million copies ) but it sold only 2 million, so they wanted to make a Quick cash grab by selling it to paper mario community, they didn't want to add any fun characters not because they coudn't, but because it would be "to expensive and cost to much time", Paper jam was boring on porpuse
I never had a problem with "Paper Jam", it wasn't my favorite installment in the series, but I really enjoyed the concept and was excited for it to come out.
It might be the "worst" in the series, but its not bad. Story and Characters are generic af, but gameplay and bosses are really fun
@@falco05 I think the main reason why people didn't like it was because they didn't have any new, original characters for it. I'm guessing they just wanted to explore the idea of the "M&L" characters interacting with the "Paper Mario" characters, which is something I actually really enjoyed out of the game.
Man, I hope this series makes a comeback! Honestly, Paper Jam is NOT a bad game. I think it's just a little lame that they didn't do any cool unique locations or make good use of Paper Mario's unique enemies. I feel Nintendo was knee deep into the "let's ONLY use generic Mario enemies and locations" phase at the time of its release. Having a new Mario & Luigi game for the Switch (or Switch 2) would be PERFECT! Imagine being able to do co-op!? You can play single player and have a friend (or brother) jump in at any time? It's an amazing idea that I'm shocked Nintendo hasn't jumped on it yet!
I never got why so many people always said DT and PJ are bad.
Like, SS, PiT and BiS are BETTER, yes, but that does not make DT and PJ bad at all, they're just less great, but still more than enjoyable
Wsy better than sticker star for sure😊
Personally I disliked PiT the most. I'd have a harder time ranking the rest but PiT is at the bottom for me.
I completely agree. In fact, I’ve actually grown to hate Origami King More then Sticker Star and Paper Jam because Paper Jam, and I stand by that. That’s because despite how generic Paper Jam can be, it was clear that Alpadream knew how to work around the creative limitations to make a good game. By contrast; Origami King tried way too hard to to appeal to fans, so much so to the point where anything that felt like a return to form was such an afterthought that almost came as insulting, as if the game is only TAUNTING fans with what they want and not actually committing to it. At least with Sticker Star it was so bad that it was good (at least in my opinion).
I think that people call paper jam and pit the worst in the series, not really dream team
@@voiky752 i still don't get why so many people disliked PiT, it's a wonderful game
My Headcanon: Paper Mario and Mario are the same and yet not the same. Normal Mario does go on the all paper Mario adventures but as Normal world form. The Paper Mario Book containing the Paper World in peach’s castle, is a book that someone used the Fold of Life on to create another universe just like the Normal Mario universe but it’s all made out of Paper. Paper Mario has the same history and adventures as Normal Mario but everything is Paper.
The dream team slander is real for this one
Holy shit thank you, finally someone mentions how bad the level balancing is in this game. I remember it was the Paper Petey Piranha fight was when I noticed that bosses were starting to get... long. But it made no sense to me cause I was only like 2 levels below it. It didn't matter though because I was still getting my ass beat. I thought of changing to easy mode but I just endured it. The EXP battle cards were basically essential in a playthrough of Paper Jam. Something I noticed you didn't mention was that the signals for which enemy is going to attack who is severely worse in this game than an all the other ones. I feel like this game relies too much on the boo cookies that basically only serve to be a tutorial for dodging enemy attacks, instead of it being recognizable and having the reflexes to dodge on time.
This game was such a slog to go through, I'm glad to say I finally beat it, but holy shit it was a waste of time, nothing happened and nothing felt satisfying.
But anyways great video man
When you say Dream Team it's not good I'm sorry but your whole argument gets completely canceled
Big Facts
the boss settin the record STRAIGHT!
I had no idea there was an Easy mode in Paper Jam
No way bro crossed out Dream Team, come on man
I'm not sure if it's just me but most the fights didn't feel that long for me.
Though I always try max my attack in these games so.....
(I 100% agree with the paper toads though)
When they announced origami king I felt all hope was lost for anymore Mario rpgs. It still blows my mind that Nintendo saw the overwhelming backlash for both modern Paper Mario games and decided that making another one like it instead of going back to old formula that literally everyone loved was the best course of action.
Maybe the SMRPG remake is a glimmer of hope but it's a sad time for people who grew up with these games
Origami King is good though
Yeah i feel like theres just a lack of effort put into smaller titles like the mario & luigi games. Its way easier to copy paste a game with a couple new power ups than creating a brand new unique world characters and story.
I'm hoping SMRPG goes well but I am scared of them watering it down. Big daddy square will save us though
@@CassiusStelar I do think Origami King is p good. Doesnt feel like Paper Mario tho. More like Mario who is Paper
@@murmilio42069 dark themes (this time body horror, ooh!), One emotional moment that never fails to make me cry, funny villains, gameplay that always stumps me even on repeat playthroughs without actually being obtuse I'm just dense...
Yeah that's my entire checklist. That's what I learned to expect from Super, that's why I decided to trek backwards through TTYD, and what I'm currently experiencing in 64. I don't understand what you're getting at
@@CassiusStelar Ye TOK improved a lot just missed the mark for me. I still liked it and 100% the game, I just still missing having a great story with great combat.
(i wasnt a fan of the circle puzzles) Its also hard not to compare to TTYD which is my favorite.
Yup it's true. The bros attacks in superstar saga were fast as fuck. They eventually became just movies
Could you make a video about why Dream Team was bad? because it was one of if not my very favorite game as a kid, so I'd love to understand why most people dislike it so much
Yep its already planned. Starting my re-playthrough next week :)
Dream team is my 2nd favourite
it's funny and sad to say that in this game, where it's a crossover of Both M&L and Paper Mario, there was NO Original Characters from both series, all vanished from existence with the exception of Starlow, even Toadsworth which is a Mainline Character and was on all M&L Games (even he was in Paper Mario TTYD)
Now I have beaten earthbound and am currently performing the rock candy sugar packet glitch on sans.
Currently playing and man I want to quit, but I have been committed to play all of them.
Plus the x button is already used for making the trio jump at once
I don't remember having to grind, that's weird lol
Actually Luigi unleashed 6 Actual characters as in Paper Luigi is in the game but only for listening to the soundtrack in the game.
Lore of How Bad was Mario & Luigi Paper Jam? Momentum 100
I thought about modding paper jam and attempt to add Paper Luigi to the party, but i highkey don't know where to begin or how to get that started.
11:36 Sticker star was the game they refirece the most while they were making this game
Looking back at this game, the 3DS artstyle for the Mario and Luigi games have aged so poorly. The original on GBA and especially the DS games had such a timeless artsyle yet the 3DS games just look so dated
Here's a tip to keep up with levels:
Kill everything. When there's nothing left in the area, go back later. Don't waste time on quests killing everything though.
Honestly these problems with long boss fights are only cause you don't fight normal enimies. You can easily get to level 6 by the time you're done with petey pirana
Dafuq you say about Dream Team?
I love how more than half of these comments are about Dream Team when this is a Paper Jam video
4:11 You just an inpatient gamer
Half the level?!
I didn't even try to fight them and somehow got my team to level 9!
Who the hell was excited for Paper Jam though. I remember it being announced on that terrible Starfox muppet and Color Splash E3 and most people crucified it lmao
I actually liked Paper jam just due to its better pacing and fast forward.
Massive redemption arc 9 mins in
Fun fact: according to the wiki, paper luigi WAS meant to be included and playable but since it would be too hard to ex: jump with all characters on the overworld etc he was cut
4:15 12:22 13:22 hey! it's not My fault that your inpatient gamer
Poor dream team and sticker star
Only Dream Team. Sticker Star fucking sucks.
@@abellopez7033no it does not bitch
? Sticker is bad though and has actual bad gameplay decisions.
@@abellopez7033 both are good?
Paper Jam was fine. I liked playing it. However, it was a little too easy bc Paper Mario’s didn’t take any damage if he had copies and dodging attacks was baby mode.
Yep I feel like this is pretty accurate.
Paper Jam introduced some cool new features like the fast forward button and the challenges, but the world and the characters are so bland
dream team might actually be debatably the best one
I enjoyed Paper Jam, as a game, but not as a Mario and Luigi game
Paper jam is an amazing game. i played
6:12 That's just a skill issue that doesn't make the game bad
I liked paper jam. I watched it growing up. But it’s nice to hear other people say about the game (aka the game ha a a lot of bugs)
Too dang long isnt a problem if you’re just patient.
17:41
Actually the real reason why it became Paper Mario was due to the hardware limitations of the N64. Nintendo needed some RPGs for the system, Square Enix tried to port FF7 to the system but they were unsuccessful leading to them making it a PS1 exclusive and leading to an awkward moment between them and Nintendo. There was an EarthBound and Fire Emblem game for the N64 but they ended up getting cancelled. So Nintendo had to use the limitations of their own system and ended up creating Paper Mario, and the paper aesthetic was used for future games, some for the better like PMTYD and SPM and some for the worst like Sticker Star.
mother *>* earthbound
the toad rescue missions are awful i agree
no more mario in paper mario when
another banger video murmilio!!!!!
Thing that pisses me off the most is that I couldn't 100% ot Just one boss before my 3ds broke, Alright but i do gotta say I did enjoy this game before knowing about the community about paper mario see look if i never knew about it I wouldn't think things has changed but since i do I start wonder will it ever going back? The remake doesn't count
I will not stand for this Dream Team slander. It may not have been as peak as Bowser's Inside Story, but that doesn't mean it was a bad game. Hell I would argue it was better than Partners in Time.
1:12 people are so dramatic, it needed an remake because to to decrease unecessary forced tutorials and to have the same art style as the previous remake and the 3D giant battle similar to the dream team and also you wouldn't need to have the limited items to go back to the battle and also it is cool having an another game with it like the previous remake
it wasnt. it wasnt bad
I tried to like Paper Jam, but I just couldn't, tried to finish it seeing as I finished all of the other Mario and Luigi games, but I ended up dropping it, probably won't return to it.
There is no way that you said that not only Dream Team is trash, but you also said that Paper Jam is better than it in some way.
8:43 skill issue, i was 8 when i finished this and when i launched the game i was level 41!
Honestly. I don’t think it deserves the hate. I actually love it.
Comparing Earthboumd to Paper Jam is comparing apples to oranges. It’s so frustrating when ppl make critics on games by bringing up completely different franchises. It makes zero sense and doesn’t help your argument
11:32 Dang, Paper Luigi not a character anymore?
this is kinda a hot take but I love this game. Prolly just bc its super nostalgic for me but either way, I loved it
The king pokeys are easy as shit. Get good.
Imagine hating dream team STICKERSTAR IS MUTUAL BUT DREAM TEAM? get out ALSO BROTHERSHIPPO
19:00 i honestly don't see how paper luigi would have made this game better gameplay-wise he'd probably make things worse given that you control paper with the y button in this game paper luigi would have likely be controlled with the x button meaning You would have to keep pressing all 4 face buttons during combat does sound confortable to you sure it kind of sucks that hes not in the story at all but givin how this is design he would not have work
I think the problem would not be the gameplay but the story For example, the need to make sure that if they are toads they are good while the koopas or goombas are the bad ones, remember how in the first paper Mario that There were different towns where Mario's enemies lived, but instead of being bad, they are peaceful people, some with jobs or others as if they were toads. And by removing what Paper Mario did, its essence was what destroyed Paper Mario fans, no more original characters or personalities. only good toads and bad goombas and koopas and the lack of Mario's companions more than a simple Reference I feel that Paper Jam is a good game but with wasted potential, remember how in Mario and Luigi, even the dream team had a new villain But in paper jam they decided to make the usual classic bowser kidnapping princess peach it doesn't bother me but it is from the main saga like the 2D and 3D games If at least there was a modification that makes the game fit well with the characteristic elements that Paper Mario was, it would be great.
Didn't Paper jam come out in the year of Luigi? How much better would it have been to have paper Luigi accompany the bros instead of the mute paper Mario?
The game came out in like 2015 or 16 i think, the yearcof luigi was 2013 i think
Nah that was Dream Team, hence the huge focus on Luigi in that game.
I only think that dream team is bad because of the battle system like who had to add motion controls?! Glad they removed it in paper jam and not to mention zeekeeper.
You make some great points here! The overly legnthy and repetitive battles are what killed the Mario & Luigi series for me. Enjoyed the first for its novelty, the second was pretty mid. Only made it half way through Bowser's inside story. I could do it no longer. Played the demo for the 4th game, and wow, so slow and annoying with the tutorials. I'm looking forward to that Thousand Year Door remake; good riddance to this series that killed the Mario RPG games for me.
That’s a pity. M&L is fantastic.
I’m happy you like it, and have more good games in the series than us Paper Mario’ers, but that battle system just wears on me quick.
Papercraft Battle... AWFULL THING ans the S Rank God that Impossible
Morton, iggy, Lemmy fight is fucking horse shit. I despise insta-kill mechanics with a burning passion!!! 😡
I like dream team though.....
EARTHBOUND LETS GOOOOOOO
This game feels like a solid 7. The battles themselves are still fun, but man the story is such a bore. What a shame.
Papercraft battles were far better and more fun than the shit giant battles in the Dream Team with bullshit gyro mechanics. Giant battles were probably the worst aspect of both Dream Team and Inside Story
dream team is a masterpiece thi
I'm sorry but if you played easy mode and were 10 levels behind late game bosses that's just a skill issue, in my most recent gameplay I was NEVER that behind and I didn't go out of my way to defeat more enemies, I just defeated everyone in the current area and moved on just like you do in every single game
How was Dream Team garbage?
Well at its core, its a mario & luigi game which means good, some of the biggest issues are pacing and hand holding.
I have some other game mechanic issues but the biggest problem I think most people agree on is that the game feels like a big step back from its Bowsers Inside Story. So dissapointment fueled the flames.
My Dream Team Video is gonna cover all my gripes so stay tuned for that.
@@murmilio42069 I get that. Though at least it has an original story, locations, and characters, UNLIKE PAPER JAM!
@@mariobroultimate1808I mean you can hate both games sooo
@@murmilio42069basically the most common complaint from dream team are:
1) tutorials that are all over the place and that was before xenoblade 2 made it similar or worst
2) 3D design which made the game to feel awkward to play
3) the game was too long to beat for a kid game and 40 hours was a big deal because that doesn’t belong unless it’s a grown up game
@@murmilio42069I can see why you don't like Dream Team as much as the other Mario and Luigi games but I still consider it a really good game and at least it's way better than paper jam
12:02 hey the paper toad missions aren't bad at all if anything they're fun breaks from the normal game besides paper jam is still a good game regardless not great but still good
I love dream team tho..
F toads
i don't think paper jam was bad at all
4:10 This is not a problem with the game bozo and proves my point of you being an inpatient gamer
Disliked for hating paper jam and dream team, because these games are the bests and not bad
Edit: paper jam is my second favorite, the first one is supersaga
That's crazy ngl
Ok 1 how dare you talk about dream team that way and 2 you can’t say it’s the last installment because we getting another Mario and Luigi wahoooooooooooo
Heres my list of this guy quote on quote problems with the game: number 1: 4:12 🤨huh? okey 1 how is that a problem with game? these attack animations are very cool watching them is like ah so cool your compling over nothing white dog number 2! : 12:02 hey the paper toad missions aren't bad at all if anything they're fun breaks from the normal game besides paper jam is still a good game regardless not great but still good number 3!! 13:00 excuse me!!! 14:36 dude theres wrong with them 🤬what the heck is your deal! You insult! my favorite game for no reason other than it takes too long well thats the point get use to it
Why dream team a bad game?
It's long but not bad
Paper Jam is like the best one!
I remember plying this game for 30 minutes and dropping it.
Lol I was committed when I started but the urge to quit definitely hit me during the mid game slump
@@murmilio42069paper jam is decent tho
@@murmilio42069same here mate
Paper Jam's potential in my opinion was wasted and of course it had to be the worst because of Paper Mario and it's terrible rule of not putting in unique characters and just put in generic stuff. This could've been a great opportunity to clash both of the spin offs together but the way they did it ended up becoming bland and boring as hell. The music just doesn't add up to me either it's the worst out of the previous 4 entries. Sucks that it's the last original story out of the series (at least if nintendo could pick out Alphadream's torch and make another entry)
You hate dream team?
No
I thought it was pretty good.