Joke acts destroy everything, Olympic sport reputation, same as Eurovision one! | Podcast
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2024
- When breakdancing made its Olympic debut, no one expected a scandal that could jeopardize its future. Raygunn’s performance didn’t just fall flat-it sparked a debate that could determine whether breakdancing is taken seriously on the world stage. I compare this disaster to Eurovision’s infamous joke acts which regularly drag Eurovision reputation down to show how badly we approach the contest which much bigger potential.
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Comedy can still show skill - the Bums' Song (Israel 1987) was comedic and silly but it was also clever and had choreography. Baila Chiki Chiki also showed skill. And every country gets to send a song, even if they're not good, they don't have to meet specific criteria. You can't tell countries "only send a song if it's good." Some countries can send polished songs and some countries send an amateur 18-year-old who wrote his own song. You can find depth and complexity of composition in even the silliest songs - I hated Finland 2024, but there was a message and a style. This is where art deviates from sports (the Olympics used to have art competitions btw, weird)
well, yes... also basically giving the contest the mark of quality which tell the artist who think of it seriously a red flag... what if people will vote just for fun... what is it.. imo, no. I dont like any joke act to be part of a competition, let them be part of special numbers... this ridiculise the whole contest, we are loosing viewers, reputation and possibly also better deals
@@JanBors I guess the quick fix is to remove the televote - everyone will send very serious songs they know will be appreciated by the jury. But then the winner will always be a pop/ballad song in English/French (going by the last 10 years). To do this, you need a jury overhaul.
completely redue of juries at first and re-implementing them to semifinals. This was the biggest stupid mistake of whoever accepted it - to keep it only on viewers, also only half of them...
Olympics used to have poetry reading!
Again, thank you for this type of videos. It's so rare to see someone openly talk about this, since many pretend this problem doesn't exist and others will tell you there's no such problem.
This new trend of joke acts, and also politics getting in the contest more than ever (something you've talked about in other videos), are concerning
If things keep going the way they currently are, the reputation of the contest will get increasingly affected and that will be hard to overturn. It looks like the 2000's are coming back :/
poor managements do poor decisions... its a cycle but very unnecessary one
LOL! NEW trend of joke acts???? That is laughable. How long have you been watching? Because if anything the last few years there has been a decline in joke acts, but there have been joke acts (parody) going back since the beginning. Its not new. And when there aren't funny entries, I for one miss them. Its been baked into the ESC cake from the beginning and all these newbies objecting are just foolish. (And really, complaining about Eurovision happens every year, but at some point, you need to just get over it.)
@@aekelly What I meant in my comment is that there's a resurgence of joke acts. That explains why in the final part of my comment I said "It looks like the 2000's are coming back". So yeah, I know this is not a new trend. I just picked the wrong word. I should have said "this new wave" of joke entries, which is what my point was about
It actually looks like it's you who haven't been watching the contest for much time or maybe you must be watching a different contest. In the decade of 2010's there was a clear decline of joke entries. Since this new decade began, joke entries are getting more common again (and some of them are having huge success, which is concerning), as they were in the 2000's. And getting rid of the juries in the semi-finals is certainly not helping in this regard
actually what is really funny - those joke entries dont rly have any huge success and this year even the most streamed song (which is also a joke entry) is not reaching any crazy values. So it takes all the contest down. I actually care less how much joke acts are involved at esc, they should be interval acts with funny accent, not serious entries. I know for HC fans its a thing. My perspective is different - I want Eurovision to rise in viewership and prestige. Non will happen unless countries will deliver better - better quality = better stories. And unless EBU approach it the same way and reform jury system and add it back to semifinals
@@xander2609 lol! Oh yes, heaven forbid songs be funny! 🤣😅😂
Agree with you. I started to watch Eurovision back in 90s when it still was a song contest, not a show or joke or gay or whatever contest. And then things started to change. The language rule was gone (and I don't want to say that we need it back, absolutely not, just for the context), televote became a thing (and there should be televote along with jury in Eurovision ofc), live music was gone (I get it would probably be technically impossible to have live instruments on the Eurovision stage today) so 2000s became already a completely different era. Every force still has a counter reaction and we already see different languages coming back to the contest which is amazing if you ask me. I hope so much that Eurovision will not die or become totally ridiculous because of this quality decline which imo has broadly speaking two recent decisions behind it - getting rid of juries in SFs and allowing backing vocals to be pre-recorded. Both of these decisions push Eurovision toward a low-quality entertainment show project where the actual songs and artists' vocal abilities for example are way less important than they should be in a contest like this. But I also think that people will get tired of it soon and will notice and appreciate the real quality again. I just hope that it won't take too much time.
@@silencestation557 lets hope :)
I have it somehow opposite. I only started following ESC when I saw that there were people who didn't take themselves so seriously. Because the absolute worst impression from ESC I had in the past is a below average dull song usually ballad, performed by with a cheesy serious expression, fake crying and looks like that it's something from the another World. Actually this whole industry around ESC is killing art and music itself. The Swedes have perfected it, 3-4 bored Swedish workers from music industry come up with 20 useless thousand-times heard songs every year that any AI could do today (they probably use AI for it already), hand it out to the random fame-hungry performers (not the musicians or artists) with full pre-paid package from their nails, eyelashes and the stage up to the lyrics and music and create cool hype around it. Zero artists originality, maximum marketing product. Finally it all comes across as totally serious while being totally dull.
@@petrstanik7597 yeah, well, those things and those things from nowadays are the reason why we cannot rise. Ofc everyone can have it differently. What u say its producer's long term / broadcasters approach. Unless like in Sweden where tv help music industry to rise and their world colide, in many other they did not work together. Its good for sweden, not tht good for Europe and for sure not good for Eurovision. But its not Eurovision's fault, its the lack of vision / strategy and filosofy towards the contest from other countries.
The Eurovision needs quality but it also needs fairmess. We have had quality years (not this one) but it has never beem fair. The two also go hand in hand.
@@ds5379 what is fair in your opinion?
@@JanBors I'll reply it in the negative. Certain countries with lots of diaspora getting points by default is not fair. Eurovision never tackled this. Neither is it fair when points (or lack thereof) via televote or jury are not based on musical/performance merit, and are, furthermore, fuelled by the political goings-on.
well, for this there is a jury mechanism, which was stripped down from semifinals instead of a necessary reform. And many were punished by bad intentions of others.
I would also like to hear more languages. For me the eurovision is a chance to hear songs that I normally don't hear. For example I discovered that I love the Albanian language !
I understand the need to incorporate English but for me the folklore and native language is a big and a beautiful part .
For me personally this is irrelevant if english or other language if the song is simply great.
I don't even want to think about how many Bambi copies it will be in next years esc, and maybe 18 different men in dresses 😅
if they will have much better the songs than any of this years, why not...
Bambi's entry is not a joke entry at all. It's not because you don't like something, it's a joke
her entry is a low quality song with a brilliant staging... but Dobkeski ment it differenrly. @dobkevskidobke7123 correct me - but he meant it the way that it just became a contest who makes her or himself interesting because of virtue signaling instead of a great music
RayGun didn't affect the fact that breakdance isn't included in the next olympics. Destroying the sport? That's simply just not true. Enough now..
@@SofiaMelander it is - in terms of general public audience, she embodiew breakdance. Pitty, but thats what temporarily happen.
I believe eurovision had bad times in the past (the 2000's when eurovision became a circus ) and it rised up again in the 2010's. Maybe i'ts periodic?
Anyway I was thinking I dont know (and desperately don't want to know) what is the sexual preferance of Karjia, Marco and the guys from Estonia this year and Croatia last year. but maybe the way for the straigt guys to participate in eurovision is joke songs? Just a thougt...
idk... I heard many managers to talk about the context very badly... so this is maybe the one reason. But I believe if especially big5 countries will approach it deadly seriously, also EBU will trough some boss say, next period of Eurovison we have those goals. Also spread this idea to members, help them with a conception, marketing strategies, rules reworking. Imo the focus is on diversity (nothing wrong about it) but not music. Like the diversity comes automatically with so many countries. Maybe its periodical. Maybe quality of management is periodical because in 2010s someone needed to say - lets change it.
None of this would happend if they just let Marko to win. It s soo disgusting honestly.
XD
how is this connected?
@@JanBors exactly
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Paraphrasing you - "You see Olly Alexander...[his] show will be about gay. This is not a value. Just make it good." Hearing you have strong opinions in areas where you're misguided can be a bit frustrating to listen to.
Olly is obviously proud to be part of queer culture, which for better and for worse is different to heterosexual culture. And straight culture is ubiquitous and present in every aspect of our lives. So, Olly taking 3 minutes to pay homage to such a culture is completely fine and it's silly that it annoys you so much. You sound like *those* people who so astutely point out "...and what about straight pride??". Your opinion is lacking in understanding of what it is to be part of a subculture that you're not part of - do with that what you will.
Circling back to your video, there is space for all kinds of art in the world, as well as the Eurovision stage. I say let artists do whatever they want with the 3 minutes they are given - if you like it; great, if you don't; oh well
So again the context - if the show was not just about this but also was amazingly sung, performed like crazy, instead it was just about it. This imo is defines wokeness - accenting some appropriation to some group, whatever it is, that main principles - which f.e. in live event is singing and performance. If its just a visual which is after all as men soft-porn, what do you expect.
You are mentioning straight pride, what is it??? I see, that pushing agendas is more important than quality. Whatever it is. I can give you another example - last year Poland. They made comedy out of zero quality. Its exactly the same. I just did not mention it as they did not claim such a thing.
So there is also a space for all kind of art, but the question is - do we want to have bigger, prestigious Eurovision or a show where majority of people making fun of? I prefer quality, you don't. Simple.
and btw the number of points and also the outcome of the song (if we talk about Olly) talks itself... this is not the way
@@JanBors @JanBors I didn't like Olly's performance and thought that it scored too high with the juries for my taste. But I saw the vision he was trying to acheive, he just didn't execute it correctly. His performance was nothing to do with wokeness, just paying homage to queer culture - which you just don't seem to get.
Straight pride festivals don't exist, but their non existance is used by people to justify their own beliefs around gay pride. Of course straight pride would be silly because every single day straight people are completely free to express their heterosexuality.
Side note - I consider only Finland to be the 'joke act' this year. The likes of Estonia, Spain, Netherlands etc. are campy maximalist performances, and are fun, but not joke acts to me. Even saying that, I believe that Finland added more value to the competition than the generic & commercial acts e.g. Cyprus, Lux, Germany, Sweden. I accept that I dislike them, and I accept that others like them
Those all mentioned were joke acts, imo this is also a woke thing - to not be able to name things the way they are. Instead if searching for some meanings there to applogize the low quality.
About pride - I am a fan of pride, but Eurovision is not a pride. And imo if he did serve the queer community by showing a soft gay porn, receiving zero points from public showed that no one cares about it. Despite from technical stand point the staging was done amazingly good. From what it showed it added another minus points to the whole contest.
And again, this is one of the calling points of woke.
@@JanBors @JanBors I'm sorry but if you think that those were joke acts then you must have something blocking your ability to analyse the songs - maybe you just focus on the theatrical campy maximalist staging and deem it as a joke. Which you'd be incorrect for doing so.
The Dutch entry this year was an impressive piece of music, albeit the live vocals were not excellent. Not only was the music production incredibly well thought out (and far from 'low quality'), but the lyrics are also brilliant. A man singing about how he feels mentally stunned from having his parents die at a young age is not a joke act.
The Spanish performance did have a woman who struggled to sing, and also had a campy threatrical performance, but musically the song was fine, kind of playing homage to a typical Spanish synth pop song of the 80s. Vocals aside, this was the best song from the Spanish preselection. And the song is about calling out the hypocracy of when men enjoy themselves it's fine, and when women do it - it's not. This song actually caused a bit of controversy in Spain for using the word Zorra. Again an upbeat song with some theatrical performances, and questionable vocals, does not equal a joke song.
So it's not a 'woke thing' that you can't call these joke songs. It's a misinterpretation thing.
I agree, Eurovision is not pride. And I agree, Olly's staging performance wasn't good, and it deserved a low score - but I understood what he was *trying* to do.