The Roman Road. That had a Significant Kink

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  • Опубліковано 19 лют 2022
  • Welcome to this weeks explore along part of Roman Road number 43 (Yes they had Numbers). This is the Winchester to Marlborough Roman Road and we have indeed been here before. So what's new?????
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  • @johanhoevink4050
    @johanhoevink4050 2 роки тому +340

    As a farmer I suggest you ask the farmer. Why? If you are plowing farmland you can always "feel" the tractor and plow are reacting a little different if the underground is different. I am farming on farmland that's about a 1000 year old and when working on the land can always "feel" where the old roads were. (Sorry for my english, I am from the Netherlands)

    • @svPlopper
      @svPlopper 2 роки тому +28

      I just wanted to write that. Greetings from Fryslan. 👍🇳🇱

    • @michaelmacdonell4834
      @michaelmacdonell4834 2 роки тому +21

      You conveyed your meaning perfectly! Farmers are awesome.

    • @BADBIKERBENNY
      @BADBIKERBENNY 2 роки тому +6

      As a Canadian, I don't mind your European accent at all. A refreshing change to hear something like it.

    • @YesiPleb
      @YesiPleb 2 роки тому +16

      Totally agree. The farmers will also know of any areas where there's a drought that stands out due to the ground underneath the soil being of different depth and drying out at different rates therefore revealing details about what's underneath the soil by noticing ground that dries out quicker causing grass to go brown quicker.

    • @johnuthus
      @johnuthus Рік тому +2

      your english is great, also your country is amazing and its the place where i want to move for reasons

  • @chrisbarker2573
    @chrisbarker2573 2 роки тому +406

    I bet when you said to Rebecca " let's do something kinky this weekend" she wasn't expecting Roman roads!

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +89

      Always the way

    • @ValleyRC
      @ValleyRC 2 роки тому +38

      lol this reminds me of that cartoon meme where the lady tells her excited partner she'd like to try toys in the bedroom and in the next frame, he's using her bum as a ramp to launch his matchbox cars!

    • @mrmarmellow563
      @mrmarmellow563 2 роки тому +1

      LOL.😘🤔 NAKED CHEF SYMPOSIUM😉😆 MAYBE ❓😸😸

    • @mrmarmellow563
      @mrmarmellow563 2 роки тому +2

      @@Jason-io5bu GO DORRSET😉🇨🇦😻👋✅

    • @TheClumsyFairy
      @TheClumsyFairy 2 роки тому +9

      He should just be happy she didn't ditch him..
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      I know, I know, I just couldn't resist.

  • @hatac
    @hatac 2 роки тому +75

    One option is that there already was a pre-roman road going around the hill with accommodation etc on it. A good inn. When the Roman roads hit this road they surveyed the hill and did some work but decided that following the line of the earlier road was more profitable and easier. Rome's coffers were not infinite and Roman roads had to pay. Like most projects they bought or claimed the land and resold it at a profit to pay for the project. If something is really valuable they may have made a road to it but if they only discover the high value resource, mine, inn, or sacred site after laying most of the road diverting from the course may be required. Where there are junctions in Roman roads they merge into the pre existing road systems. Are we looking at one Roman road with a kink in it or a node between two roman roads and a forgotten settlement of some significance?

    • @jonb4020
      @jonb4020 Рік тому

      I'm absolutely with you on that one and was going to comment thus, but no point reinventing the wheel!

  • @murraycatto1
    @murraycatto1 Рік тому +3

    Greetings from New Zealand. We have done a survey about why your road has a kink in it. First was the Legionaries spotted a pub selling genuine warm English beer. Second was they spotted a Roman sandal repair shop giving away free walk socks which could come in handy during the marching season.

  • @AAAyyyGGG
    @AAAyyyGGG 2 роки тому +4

    A wonderful insight into something which 99% of the population would never think about! I love the editing and light-hearted delivery. I'm sure that if History lessons were taught like, this we'd be a much 'richer' nation!

  • @cjreeve79
    @cjreeve79 2 роки тому +190

    Perhaps the path could have split: those on foot and horseback went straight on and those with cargo took the diversion. Perhaps the intention was for all traffic to go straight but erosion damage from heavy rain meant the diversion became more appropriate for those with heavy carts. It seems very likely to me that those on foot would mostly cut corners and take a more direct route even if the official road was diverted. So perhaps both you and the current maps are correct.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +35

      I like this Christopher. Just need to a) get someone involved that would confirm this was a thing and b) some digging!

    • @davidorf3921
      @davidorf3921 2 роки тому +9

      Christopher's comment is pretty much what I was thinking, sometimes its a lot easier to go the less direct route

    • @SoloRenegade
      @SoloRenegade 2 роки тому +13

      This happens all the time in less developed places. People take short cuts just like this on many trails I've been on. Just depends upon how easy either option is. And carts likely had a harder time taking the ditch. And when carts divert, the carts cut a larger and more obvious road, making it the default official road over time.

    • @deepspire
      @deepspire 2 роки тому +1

      Yes, sometimes it’s much easier and faster to detour around a ravine than to take the unnecessary grades.

    • @scotland1380
      @scotland1380 2 роки тому

      @@davidorf3921 so true lol any hiker/hill Walker will tell you this 😂

  • @DrNickBailey
    @DrNickBailey Рік тому +11

    Tip from my rabbits for filming subtle geophysical features on camera - waft the camera up and down a bit - this helps differentiate the height of things in the foreground and background. (Rabbits move their head up and down I assume to give them some dept perspective to make up for their peripheral vision morphology).

  • @Simon_Nonymous
    @Simon_Nonymous 2 роки тому +55

    Oh this got me laughing right from the start - you are a terrific double act. Oh and nice jumper Paul! My mum still knits them, I've put an order in.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +7

      Cheque is in the post

    • @janinapalmer8368
      @janinapalmer8368 2 роки тому +2

      Never mind Paul's jumper .. he's got heaps of them !! I like Becca's new beanie 🥰🥰.... very cosy 😀😀

    • @janinapalmer8368
      @janinapalmer8368 2 роки тому +3

      This really is an odd one .. we still don't know why the ancient road took a detour .. but looking at the relief map there I'd say it simply went round a hill ..

    • @Simon_Nonymous
      @Simon_Nonymous 2 роки тому +1

      @@janinapalmer8368 I think you are right, there is a complex relief obstacle here, although I'd call it a valley. Paul made the point that the Romans would have drawn two straight lines from town to town to bypass this feature completely as at 2:58 in the video. It looks very unusual for them to go straight at it then kink around it as they did survey ahead to look for obstacles. My gut feeling is that there was a preexisting trackway around the edge of the depression that was useable enough for the Romans to make an exception to their usual standards and make use of a few kilometres of that trackway to by pass the depression, and save the work of building across the complex ground.
      I'd love to see some evidence of the road going straight across but scouring maps and aerial photography doesn't show anything indicative.

    • @goss1961
      @goss1961 2 роки тому +1

      Yes....good fun and very interesting.
      I disagree about the jumper, though...

  • @HM2SGT
    @HM2SGT 2 роки тому +9

    Since we’re watching this 2D on our gadget screens it is much more difficult to make out than for you with binocular vision and 3D at the scene. Your demonstration was very helpful, thank you. Making it plain by walking along the different paths was brilliant.

  • @misterdipster4241
    @misterdipster4241 2 роки тому +10

    9:38 They couldn't possibly build that road straight, there is a fence! But seriously, thanks for uploading. I was pinned to my monitor for almost 13 minutes flat. Very interesting content!

    • @rodritchison1995
      @rodritchison1995 2 роки тому

      Where's my batman.....with the wire cutters? Who's the idiot who cut that man's fence?

  • @BoydXplorer
    @BoydXplorer 2 роки тому +1

    Nice upload. Great land survey of the Roman Rd,, drone shot, narration and video editing. Interesting to watch. Tnx4sharing 🙋

  • @hueckelaromat
    @hueckelaromat 2 роки тому +18

    Thank you for following up on this. It is nice to see how invested you both are. How nice that the landowner allowed you to look around. I hope we will hear about this again - maybe after some archeological research has been carried out.

  • @joewilliams918
    @joewilliams918 4 місяці тому +2

    I stumbled onto your channel. Being a history buff from Canada, I must say your episodes are very well done. It’s like watching a BBC documentary. They keep me interested from the start to the end. Drone footage is great along with the LiDAR. I’m now a subscriber.

  • @malcolmsmith6615
    @malcolmsmith6615 2 роки тому +32

    Thanks for the mention! I realise that my work was only “armchair theory” pulled together from studying the map and other sources, but so far your site investigations continue to back it up. I still recon the exceptionally steep hill climbing out of the valley on the far side is key to all this. As you rightly say, only a proper archeological investigation will sort this one out!
    I was glued to this video, so thank you for taking the time to get permissions and film it in such careful detail! Cheers!

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +5

      Thanks Malcolm. Your homework is never wasted thats for sure. All saved up, ready to deploy!!

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 2 роки тому +4

      it’s a solid theory, backed by centuries of logical thinking and experience so you are more than justified and likely correct!

  • @vinskeeter
    @vinskeeter 2 роки тому +3

    Interesting. I'm amazed at the history there. I'm in Colorado and you don't find much over 150 years old here, except for native American artifacts. I'm impressed with lidar!

  • @JMH7506
    @JMH7506 Рік тому +3

    Omg……I’ve just found your channel and love the history and alignment of Roman Roads. I’m starting to watch everything you’ve done.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  Рік тому +1

      Welcome to the channel John. 😀

  • @eddyhenningsson3121
    @eddyhenningsson3121 2 роки тому +6

    By looking at you and Martin Zero, I know way more about England then I know about Sweden where I live... :-D

  • @SteveEmfore
    @SteveEmfore 2 роки тому +15

    Makes me wonder that if in the height of the dry summer, drone footage might show up parch marks where the road ran through the fields.

    • @drdoolittle5724
      @drdoolittle5724 2 роки тому +5

      Yes, you are spot-on there, have taken people flying myself during August droughts just for that very purpose - there is a microlight school not that far away who would love to help!

    • @Simon_Nonymous
      @Simon_Nonymous 2 роки тому

      @@drdoolittle5724 seconded/thirded

  • @ELMS
    @ELMS 2 роки тому +1

    The algorithm just brought me to your channel. It’s fabulous. Looking forward to seeing more. 👍

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому

      Welcome Mr Ed. 226 more videos to go. Enjoy.

  • @RaglansElectricBaboon
    @RaglansElectricBaboon 2 роки тому

    I bloody love youtube when its feeding me stuff like this! Great to share in your nerdy passion!

  • @musicstewart9744
    @musicstewart9744 2 роки тому +2

    You two are a hoot as well as being informative. Glad I found you. 👍🏻👍🏻

  • @analytics8055
    @analytics8055 5 місяців тому +1

    Rebecca is very cute and English. Really enjoying these shows on the Roman influence upon the English country side.

  • @DaedalusYoung
    @DaedalusYoung 2 роки тому +20

    Now that Time Team is back in production, perhaps they should have a look at the site. Geophys might be able to see something.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +10

      Would love to see that happen.

    • @LeoStarrenburg
      @LeoStarrenburg 2 роки тому +3

      Would make a great assignment for a group of geo-something students !

    • @Denusa
      @Denusa 2 роки тому +3

      I agree this would be perfect for time team. It has all the elements of what goes into a time team episode. An area not excavated before. A mystery to solve. Some physical evidence supporting the theory. Clearly historical. Explores area of interest not discussed on a prior episode. You should contact them directly as this is how they decide what projects get approved as episodes.

    • @DaedalusYoung
      @DaedalusYoung 2 роки тому +3

      @@Denusa I think ideas need to be submitted through their Patreon.

    • @jlaakso1706
      @jlaakso1706 2 роки тому +1

      I was going to suggest the same. During lockdown I've been watching a lot of their episodes, and this does seem like something right up their alley. Or road, in this case.

  • @jeffcasey504
    @jeffcasey504 2 роки тому +13

    I love your conspiratorial presentation style and all these interesting locations. But your drone vid last week was OUTSTANDING! I've watched it a bunch of times and continue to find it both beautiful and relaxing, and your choices of music are perfect as well. Thanks so Much!

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +3

      Thanks Jeff. Very kind. We much prefer the exploring videos as it's nice to get out and about.

  • @lindamccaughey6669
    @lindamccaughey6669 2 роки тому +1

    That was fabulous it really was. Just watching you two carry on really makes me laugh. Love that area it is so pretty and you even looked like you knew what you were doing, lol. Thanks for taking me along. Please stay safe and take care

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Linda, always a pleasure.

  • @kellychamberlain6093
    @kellychamberlain6093 2 роки тому +1

    You guys have a great standup comedy act. Cheers

  • @JimNicholls
    @JimNicholls 2 роки тому +18

    Ivan Margary did a lot more than just catalogue the Roman roads. For example, he financed the very expensive excavation of the fabulous Roman palace at Fishbourne, near Chichester in Sussex during the 1960s. I was at the official opening of the site where he was present, and if I remember correctly his name was pronounced with the accent on the first syllable (a bit like Margaret), not as you said it. A great piece of research by the pair of you, and a pity that there was no definite conclusion. Carry on the good work!

    • @vespasian606
      @vespasian606 2 роки тому +2

      You are quite correct about the mispronunciation. The work of Margary does not get the credit it deserves though this was not always the case. Plenty of critics but I am not one of them. He mostly gets it right and I do not get an attitude when he doesn't. When there is a comparable body of work then maybe some of that criticism can be justified. Till then he remains at the heart of the subject for better or worse.

  • @mrcogginsgarage7062
    @mrcogginsgarage7062 2 роки тому +3

    Very glad to see you both well again stay safe and thanks for the interesting kink.

  • @paulinehedges5088
    @paulinehedges5088 2 роки тому +3

    So glad you are both OK and that was a really fascinating video.
    Thank you.

  • @twostep1953
    @twostep1953 2 роки тому +1

    It's nice that you've found each other...

  • @brianwillson9567
    @brianwillson9567 Рік тому +1

    Another SO interesting video. Many thanks and well done.

  • @pjg_77
    @pjg_77 2 роки тому +1

    My new favourite channel

  • @AdamOpie
    @AdamOpie 2 роки тому +2

    Much clearer this time round, the lines either side of the pathways really helped show what you were seeing in person 👍🏻

  • @davidjuson5608
    @davidjuson5608 2 роки тому

    Intriguing. And mystifying. And entertaining. Thank you.

  • @robwhythe793
    @robwhythe793 2 роки тому +95

    I believe there was a strong relationship between the Roman roads and more ancient trackways that have an origin way back in the past, along ley lines. Not in the pseudo-science sense that that name brings up nowadays, but in the sense that Alfred Watkins intended when he first coined the name - of ancient cross-country trade routes when Britain was first being recolonised after the last ice age finished. Those ancient tracks often remained long after the area was settled, marking routes from horizon to horizon, over significant hilltop points. As such, the ancient route may well have gone directly over the hill, and the old hill fort you mention may have been developed at one of those significant hilltop points.
    Then the Romans came, found a long straight track already heading much where they wanted to go, and they re-used it - but bypassed the hilltop to avoid having to march over the top, taking a more graded route below that point. Then, as the area was settled, the valley area became farmland and the Roman road disappeared under the plough. Maybe the Roman road had already fallen out of use because the long-distance track was no longer needed, and new roads were developed that linked the local settlements and villages. Then later we found a need for a long-distance road again, but the Roman route had by then disappeared, so they linked the gap by adopting the newer, village routes and turning them into a new main road. Maybe this route is even more well-graded than the old Roman road was, and that with more wheeled traffic it was better to travel a longer, flat distance than a shorter, more hilly route - hence the current deviation off a straight route and back again?
    I believe there is another example of this on the Fosse Way (A429) just north of the junction with the A40. The old Roman Road goes for some distance in an almost perfect straight line from this junction, northeast to where it crosses the Windrush River near Bourton on the Water. But one mile north of the A40 junction it deviates off this line to the right, and descends the side of a hill towards the bottom of a valley where it crosses a small stream, then turns left and climbs the other side of the valley, where after deviating for about two miles in length it rejoins its original line. I believe the stream crossing point had been established long before the Romans came, and the two legs of the deviation path already existed, with trackways to and from that crossing point. The Roman surveyors marked out the overall route, but re-used the existing tracks for the deviation off it, down the valley to the crossing point and back up, because it was well graded and reasonably direct (only 1/3 mile) off their route. So when you mark it on a map, the deviation looks strange, but I believe I can make a good case for why the Romans chose to do that. And our modern road still follows that old route - maybe 10,000 years since that deviation down to the stream crossing was first defined.

    • @Simon_Nonymous
      @Simon_Nonymous 2 роки тому +9

      Rob, I find your suggestions very persuasive, and thank you for spelling them out in such detail. I've just spooled up a quick map of Roman roads in Britain, and such kinks and deviations are not actually that rare, although to be fair the Chute Causeway is massive in comparison to any other. I have a hunch that the Romans never built across the valley, but made use of an existing pathway around the western side of the depression and difficult ground that was robust enough to meet their needs or serve as a good foundation to a Roman built road. I bet I am wrong though!!
      Paul/Rebecca - thinking ahead, even if no one is going to do any archaeology, would some drone flying later in the year to look for crop marks along what you think could be the road's path be a good use of your time, or flying when the sun is low to see if any features cast a shadow?

    • @kennethrodmell9006
      @kennethrodmell9006 2 роки тому +7

      Spent thousands of hours as a flight instructor over Herefordshire and Radnor Vale, the very area Alfred Watkins focused upon in his 'The Old Straight Track', a book that fascinated me then as it does now. From the air it was very apparent that there was hardly a straight line feature that did not align with/terminate on some prominent mound or notch between distant hills although the 'modern day' road often does bypass such features. A classic case in point is the conical hill near Canon Pyon, Herefordshire and the straight road running several miles north from it, to quote but one of the numerous examples on offer.

    • @robwhythe793
      @robwhythe793 2 роки тому +1

      @@kennethrodmell9006 Nice to find another Watkins fan! :o) I had a look on Google Earth at the hill by Canon Pyon, and it appears to have something on the top, hidden amongst the trees. An old tower, maybe, like the one on Leith Hill in Surrey?

    • @cherylm2C6671
      @cherylm2C6671 2 роки тому +2

      If these follow paleo-roads, then they were established because of the marshlands. Right after the ice age, the lands would have been sodden with quicksand. A watch-hill would have been manned (or shepherded) to guide people passing through. The wheel could only be used on (shallow) solid rock or during those times of year when the marshland dried hard enough. ?

    • @JeffDeWitt
      @JeffDeWitt 2 роки тому +5

      That makes perfect sense, just as in the US there are highways that more or less follow the same route as ancient Indian trails. The oldest routes follow the shortest, easiest paths and it only makes sense that later roads would follow the same routes.

  • @greedycapitalist8590
    @greedycapitalist8590 2 роки тому +49

    Anyone who remembers the 80s documentary series "Chelmsford 123" knows the real reason for that kink - the road was diverted to avoid demolishing a brothel that was in the way.

    • @MeFreeBee
      @MeFreeBee 2 роки тому +11

      I saw an earlier documentary in the 70s (The Two Ronnies perhaps?) which showed that all the bends on the M1 motorway were adjacent to pubs where the survey teams had stopped for lunch.

    • @sailormatlac9114
      @sailormatlac9114 2 роки тому +2

      ​@@MeFreeBee I'm always wary of these stories about drunk surveyors. We have our own version in Canada about a survey team getting drunk then travelling down the wrong river before finding out about their mistakes a few miles later and not caring to correct it. I've always wondered if that kind of thing would have been tolerated. Honestly, colonial times are full of lawsuits about respecting lines here and there. And most of them were carefully surveyed given the era technology. I'm not against that folklore, I would like to find concrete evidences. Each times I try to dig these questions, it's all about hearsay, legends and hastily put together documentaries. Working myself in the construction building, I know very well many takes a lot of liberties with their work, but rarely in such a dramatic way. Who knows? Anyway, these stories are funny.

    • @twotone3070
      @twotone3070 2 роки тому +2

      I always liked the way Chelmsford 123 dug deep to get a full analysis of the Romano British culture. But I fear Sailormatlac you may need to Google the relevant documentaries to get the full picture of their work.

    • @sailormatlac9114
      @sailormatlac9114 2 роки тому +2

      @@twotone3070 Thanks for pointing out these documentaries. Don't know why Romano British culture is so fascinating, but it is.

    • @joz6683
      @joz6683 2 роки тому +4

      I remember that series didn't the architect justify the road with the saying Curvy is pervy, straight is great..

  • @newremote
    @newremote 2 роки тому +16

    Love the video. I tend towards the idea that the straight way over the hill was the original path, mainly for foot and horseback traffic, while the kink developed over time as being more suitable for heavier loads, wagons etc, and probably more often usable in bad weather. So the kink prevailed. Just a small point about your text at 1.45 … I think it should be "cite" rather than "Site".

  • @nickalderson4563
    @nickalderson4563 2 роки тому +4

    Another roman road with a kink in it is Oxford Hight Street. When the Romans got to near the bottom of what is now the High Street, they were approaching the Thames at an angle. So the put a kink in it so it they crossed the river at right angles. This was done because it was cheaper to build a bridge at right angles because it used less material. Check it out :)

  • @jimseviltwin1
    @jimseviltwin1 9 місяців тому

    Fascinating! Archeologists/ anthropologists share that the hardest thing to disguise and the most enduring thing is a depression, i.e hole in Earth. Greetings from southwest Arizona !

  • @neiloflongbeck5705
    @neiloflongbeck5705 2 роки тому +13

    The modern OS map gives a hint. The slope was quite steep and would have been tricky for horse drawn wagons especially in bad weather. Perhaps the deviation was to avoid the worst of the slope.

    • @Bobrogers99
      @Bobrogers99 2 роки тому +5

      A more modern example of this is a turnpike built in New Hampshire (US) in the 1700s that was relatively straight, but in my neighborhood it takes a loop to avoid a steep slope and then returns to its straight course. A local historian explained that it was originally built in a straight line, but farmers complained that it was too steep for their wagons, so it was rerouted to make the slope more gentle.

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 2 роки тому

      it’s also a preexisting route, so why build a completely new road over steep terrain when you have a good route already? it’s also tough to attack the road from above as you’re at a disadvantage because of the same terrain preventing a mass attack against a heavily armed group of soldiers

    • @therealunclevanya
      @therealunclevanya 2 роки тому +2

      The Roman road at Wraxall (A37 Shepton Mallet) is incredibly steep with a 15% gradient, I'm not sure they were that bothered.

    • @neiloflongbeck5705
      @neiloflongbeck5705 2 роки тому +1

      @@therealunclevanya it probably depends on the nature of the loads traversing the road.

  • @steveaskey
    @steveaskey 2 роки тому +27

    It would be interesting to know what the landscape was like at the time the Roman Road was being constructed. It is tempting to assume that this would have been a mix of woodland and open fields as per today, but I suspect it would have been very different. If the bottom of the valley had been dense woodland or seriously waterlogged, then the intended course may have been abandoned as being too difficult. Perhaps the direct line passing so close to the hill fort is also significant.
    Great editing by the way. I loved the presenter jump cuts. Just watch out for those branches ...

    • @Colinpark
      @Colinpark 2 роки тому +1

      Throw in beavers, continuously flooding your road.

    • @JesseSargentSoG
      @JesseSargentSoG 2 роки тому +1

      Roman roads were built through all conditions, such a terrain feature would not stop them, they had egineered contingencies for marshes that did not require going around them.

    • @Colinpark
      @Colinpark 2 роки тому +3

      @@JesseSargentSoG Even modern day roads in marshland require a lot of upkeep. Quite possible the maintenance support in the region was stretched, and someone made the command decision to move the road.

    • @JesseSargentSoG
      @JesseSargentSoG 2 роки тому

      @@Colinpark I wasn't arguing. I don't want to make you mad. You could be using this time to watch more Roman road videos.

    • @Colinpark
      @Colinpark 2 роки тому

      @@JesseSargentSoG Not mad at all, I used to review bridge and road construction in Northern British Columbia and the Yukon. Trying to keep a road maintained in a swamp is a lot of work, particularity if there are beavers around. Which I suspect that in roman times, beavers were far more common?

  • @djappnew
    @djappnew 2 роки тому +1

    FINALLY AT 8min and 12seconds I SEE IT NOW!

  • @ZM1306
    @ZM1306 2 роки тому +1

    "Anyway, sorry you had to pause this. As you were!"
    Lol
    Thanks but no apology needed.

  • @thebackyardbear
    @thebackyardbear 2 роки тому +6

    Your proposed route would have been extremely difficult during the wet times. I propose they built it as you suspect, but quickly rerouted the road after continual problems with drainage.

  • @SmokinLoon5150
    @SmokinLoon5150 2 роки тому

    Fascinating! Thanks for sharing and job well done. :)

  • @anotherfreediver3639
    @anotherfreediver3639 Рік тому +1

    There's a similar kink in a Roman road I used to use in northern France. It was done to cross a sharp valley, without steep gradients.

  • @jgodfrey546
    @jgodfrey546 2 роки тому +3

    Well done! You really got me with this further talk of the kinks. Thanks to the time diff, I'll likely ponder this the whole sunny afternoon. Maybe all day and all of the night.

  • @froodsmash
    @froodsmash 2 роки тому +1

    Ya‘ll are having so much fun I love it

  • @krat5576
    @krat5576 2 роки тому

    When Rebecca walks the terrace I can see it! Also the first lidar immage was pretty clear :)

  • @gaugeonesteam
    @gaugeonesteam 2 роки тому +6

    I did say that this road was originally in a straight (ish) line last time your were there. The "almost immediate" deviation could have been made for many different reasons but I think "time" is important to consider here. The original straight route may have been in use for say 20 or 40 or 70 years (that's quite a long time) but the deviation maybe have been in use for say 200 years. that's a lot longer. We're talking about 2500 year old Roman roads. When they built them, 10 years in the future for them was probably a long time. I really feel "time" is the key to this one.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +1

      Really good point Robin. Its easy to just assume that we are looking at one snapshot period.

    • @chrissellen7110
      @chrissellen7110 2 роки тому

      A bit like upgrading to a smart motorway (sorry, couldn't resist).

  • @carologiwan501
    @carologiwan501 2 роки тому +1

    Wow, fascinating! Worthy of a watch. I love how you guys put this together and the research. Very entertaining and educational as well. Thanks!

  • @dorianward4909
    @dorianward4909 2 роки тому +1

    In America we have 16,17, and 1800’s historical places, you guys have 500 b.c. spots, super jealous. Happy trails

  • @kevinu.k.7042
    @kevinu.k.7042 2 роки тому

    Superb. Thank you. Love the humour too. :)

  • @UsualmikeTelevision
    @UsualmikeTelevision 2 роки тому +2

    When you mentioned "dig" my mind went to Time Team as they are coming back soon with all new episodes! Wouldn't a trench put across the roman road and Grim's ditch be interesting! Great Video!

  • @shirleylynch7529
    @shirleylynch7529 2 роки тому +1

    Loved your intro. Very interesting vlog. Fascinating stuff. Thank you

  • @InsanitiesBrother
    @InsanitiesBrother 2 роки тому +2

    Great Britain: Map Men
    United Kingdom: Map Couple

  • @PacoOtis
    @PacoOtis 2 роки тому

    From here in the States: Good show old boy!!

  • @minnyh
    @minnyh 2 роки тому

    Awesome. Thank you. Exploring...always so much fun. Layers of history to be found . I remember rediscovering an abandoned road up high in some very rugged bush in NZ when were trapping opposums( pests over here) . It was the original road into a remote (at the time valley) In less than 50 years it had been almost forgotten. It was very exciting. Then we have you guys who are dealing with thousands of years.. incredible!

  • @john3Lee
    @john3Lee 2 роки тому

    Always interesting and appreciated - Thanks 🙂

  • @Dr_Robodaz
    @Dr_Robodaz Рік тому +2

    The Roman Road Association? I had no idea there was such an organization.
    Doing Jupiter's work there!

  • @martinridgway7455
    @martinridgway7455 2 роки тому +2

    Interesting groundwork, and love the talking head switches for the narration.

  • @iancraig2507
    @iancraig2507 2 роки тому

    Very interesting. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @jonathangreenwood793
    @jonathangreenwood793 2 роки тому +2

    Fascinating stuff. As a relative local (Newbury) I drive around this area quite a bit to give the kids a taste of the wonderful countryside on the doorstep. They love seeing all the ancient monuments nearby. Really interesting content and really well presented. Love the overlays and projections. Outstanding work.

  • @mileshigh1321
    @mileshigh1321 2 роки тому

    So interesting! The maps are a great resource and your research thorough ! And the drone shots really bring it all together!

  • @derekp2674
    @derekp2674 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks very much for this fascinating update.

  • @yt_makemsalty9755
    @yt_makemsalty9755 2 роки тому

    You peeps are great! Loved the video!

  • @andrew1976williams
    @andrew1976williams 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. I remember cycling along Chute Causeway when I lived in Hampshire.

  • @doowi1182
    @doowi1182 2 роки тому

    Awesome video! You two are a great pair

  • @justdna4385
    @justdna4385 2 роки тому +1

    That makes sense that they built it then changed their mind. That bit of road was steep. It makes loads of sense to follow the already existing road around the hill.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому

      Pretty much the only logical conclusion.

  • @thomasdieckmann5711
    @thomasdieckmann5711 2 роки тому +13

    Thanks, very well done & entertaining. The roman road mystery was one of my entry point to your channel, so much appreciated to see you revisiting that place. Did you ever check for signs of the old road coming from the north to the kink?

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +4

      Frustratingly there is no lidar. On top of that nothing on Google maps or anything obvious on the ground.

  • @brian554xx
    @brian554xx Рік тому +1

    earned my subscription with one video!

  • @davidwolf2562
    @davidwolf2562 2 роки тому

    totally righteous ... old roads upon old roads right under your feet ...

  • @eastwoodsadventures
    @eastwoodsadventures 2 роки тому

    Nice work Roman around the countryside

  • @bobsrailrelics
    @bobsrailrelics 2 роки тому

    Once again well researched and planned. A credible conclusion.

  • @simonbradshaw3708
    @simonbradshaw3708 2 роки тому

    Thank you for another interesting video, I hope you both have been fine. Looking forward to seeing some more informative videos

  • @noelle3551
    @noelle3551 Рік тому

    Roman road builders mantra " straight is great, curvy is pervy" ( Chelmsford 123 series) 🤣

  • @jaberosier9853
    @jaberosier9853 Рік тому +1

    As someone who looks out for abandoned railroad infrastructure like small cuts and slightly elevated spurs I was able to see the road before you showed it exactly.

  • @AvangerCellar
    @AvangerCellar 2 роки тому +1

    You are a such good team.
    Nice, funny and informative to watch. :)
    Greatings from Germany

  • @MrLeatherman23
    @MrLeatherman23 2 роки тому

    One of the best yet! Keep on with the Stirling performances. And, keep on with the health precautions... would really hate to lose even one episode.
    Paul M. Portland, Oregon.

  • @Raz.C
    @Raz.C 2 роки тому

    I had an English teacher (a teacher from England, that is, not a teacher who taught the subject of language) back in primary school who said something I've always remembered. She said that in England, you could easily tell whether a road had been built by Romans or by the Britons; If the road was straight, she said, it was definitely built by the Romans. I don't really know why I've always remembered that. I guess it could be because I've always been fascinated by the ancient Romans and since we don't have any Roman constructions/ ruins in Australia, her story was a way for young-me to feel connected to these ancient people...

  • @hlmoore8042
    @hlmoore8042 2 роки тому

    Most interesting thank you!

  • @BADDERSBETTERDIORAMAHACKS121
    @BADDERSBETTERDIORAMAHACKS121 Рік тому +2

    Hi, I just found your channel by accident, and am very pleased to have done so. Great teamwork and a great video. Very interesting. I recently moved house and now live right next to a 'minor' Roman road which is for the most part elevated above the surrounding fields. It's very difficult to find on maps and appears not to have been documented much at all. It is wooded, and has a more 'modern' 'B' road running alongside it, which is itself called 'Roman Road'. Of course, the ancient route was probably being used before the Romans. The ground for miles around is pretty much entirely flat, but 100m or so from our house the land and both Roman and modern roads, drop steeply and there's a natural spring before the land rises again. Both roads start at a major Roman town, pass beside the spring, (with the Roman road ALMOST passing THROUGH it, then continue for a mile or so before APPARENTLY disappearing at a small village. HOWEVER, the modern 'Roman Road' has a kink in it. Intrigued, I looked on Google Earth, and I could see a dark strip running across a ploughed field in direct continuation of the original Roman road and it appears to end on the banks of a narrow river, although of course, that river will have meandered over the millennia, but not by a huge amount. The villages around and about have Roman and Saxon origins. I can't see any further signs of the Roman road continuing onwards after the river, but I imagine it did. There is a 'Salt Way' or 'Lane' not too far beyond, and if I understand correctly, that was most likely used by the Romans to transport salt from Worcestershire to the south coast for export. My question is............ what are the chances that the 'spring' near me, and the 'crossing' at the river were actually the sites of Pagan, and then Roman temples? It seems odd that the Roman road should pass directly through this quite steep and very localized 'dip' in the land, where there is a spring.

    • @frontiervirtcharter
      @frontiervirtcharter Рік тому

      The spring would have been an important waypoint for travelers to get fresh drinking water

  • @trevorhoward2254
    @trevorhoward2254 2 роки тому

    Great work. Thank you. Subscribed.

  • @ThisIsJermey
    @ThisIsJermey 2 роки тому

    This is the first video of yours that I’ve seen. I’m 2 minutes in and already subscribed

  • @captainhindsight8779
    @captainhindsight8779 2 роки тому +2

    Relationship goals!

  • @michaelcampin1464
    @michaelcampin1464 2 роки тому +1

    As I'm French by descent although many centenaries ago I agree most roads in France run straight especially from Nantes to Angers which is as straight as an arrow. Keep going. I wish my late history Tutor Kevin Jolly was still with us he'd have been fascinated. RIP Sir

    • @suzyqualcast6269
      @suzyqualcast6269 Рік тому

      French roads are far superior today than UK roads. Dont know how they do it but they've sorted 'the knack".

  • @robertc.1133
    @robertc.1133 2 роки тому

    Intriguing. What if someone established a little trade center or a village on the hill, and began levying a fee for passage through?
    Thanks very much for your entertaining video. You are such a charming couple.

  • @MichaelaWatkins2015
    @MichaelaWatkins2015 2 роки тому

    Really interesting, thanks.

  • @steverpcb
    @steverpcb 2 роки тому +4

    The next step would be to put in a 1m square test pit looking for the stone that the romans used to build roads.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому

      Yeeeeesssss. Would love to see that happen

    • @steverpcb
      @steverpcb 2 роки тому +2

      @@pwhitewick The impression that I got from watching Time Teamm is that it is something that you could do yourselfs, there are probably some online guides :)

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому

      @@steverpcb interesting indeed

  • @andreaabout
    @andreaabout 2 роки тому +2

    Always enjoy your videos. I too seem to get attacked by branches and things LOL! Interesting to see where the old Roman roads went and knowing why there was a deviation in the road. May be as you point out the lay of the land made it easier to go around especially with transporting goods and equipment perhaps. It is interesting to see where old roads and pathways went and what settlements were along the way, all part of our history. Thank you again.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks Andrea. Yup that was about the fifth time that day as well

    • @suzyqualcast6269
      @suzyqualcast6269 Рік тому

      Or not knowing... 💦

  • @fern5142
    @fern5142 Рік тому

    I would love to join you on one of your adventures. You always find good walks with lots of history.

  • @malcolmgeoffreyemblng5766
    @malcolmgeoffreyemblng5766 2 роки тому

    I've just found this and I am fascinated that someone is as curious about the Chute Causeway as I was when I cycled this area over forty years ago. I now live in Italy but miss exploring ancient British tracks immensely. My particular project was tracing Roman stuff around Leicester, especially Gartree Road, Via Devana (?) as it is now identified as. I will follow your progress from now on.

  • @TheWhiteDragon3
    @TheWhiteDragon3 2 роки тому

    Legend says that when you walk on it, the road says, "Step on me harder."

  • @stretchedits
    @stretchedits 2 роки тому +1

    Hi both, great video, and so interesting.
    I guess it could be something as simple as a Roman road improvement. The hill is quite a feature of the landscape there, so maybe the original road went over the hill and the newer one went round as the gradients were more favourable to the army and any wagons.
    Years ago I remember working as a coach driver and we always used to point out interesting things in a journey. I used to tell our passengers that you could tell where the Romans camped at night when they were building there roads. In the daytime the road would be perfectly straight, then the construction teams would camp out and have a good meal and a few drinks. Next morning, still a bit worse for wear from the night before the first few miles of road would be a bit wobbly until they all sobered up. Yeah silly I know, but it passed the journey for everyone.

  • @markmanning2921
    @markmanning2921 2 роки тому +1

    Grew up in england but am now back in the states where I was born. My favorite quote is that the biggest difference between england and the u.s. is that in england they think 200 miles is a long way in the u.s. they think 200 years is a long time.

  • @nightw4tchman
    @nightw4tchman 2 роки тому +2

    I love the way you both swap over explaining what's going on. More videos should do this as it shows both men and women can take an interest and explain things that otherwise might just stereotypically appeal to one gender.

  • @deepwoodguy2
    @deepwoodguy2 2 роки тому +3

    I do not know if anyone in the comments have mentioned this...BUT, how about doing some metal detecting in the farmers field, if the road was there, there should be Roman coins, etc under the farm land... They do that all over the farms in the UK... 👍

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +2

      A couple yes... its a very good idea.

  • @phillunn4691
    @phillunn4691 2 роки тому +1

    Another interesting video Paul and Rebecca. Hope you’re recovering well and look forward to seeing your next video!Take Care both of you 👍🏼👍🏼

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому +1

      Thanks Phil. Almost back to full speed

  • @secretsquirrel726
    @secretsquirrel726 2 роки тому

    There were accessory roads around many villages and towns. It gave large columns and migratory groups a chance to go around without having to enter. Drovers, soldiers, guys in wagons hauling tin or wool, would live to have a way around, that let them retain their marching order and provided camp sites not in the middle of an urban center.

    • @pwhitewick
      @pwhitewick  2 роки тому

      This is a theory I've not considered at all. Hmmmmm. Now you've got me thinking.

  • @HenrysAdventures
    @HenrysAdventures Рік тому

    Interesting video as always!