Is This TOO DANGEROUS? African Cichlids!
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- This African cichlid aquarium has about 39 peacocks and haps, and only ONE mbuna! This is usually a bad idea, so is it working out for my cichlid aquarium? Has it worked in YOUR cichlid tank? Let me know in the comments!
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My current aquariums:
75 gallon peacock hap grow out tank
240 peacock hap show tank
Another aquarium is on the way!
My aquarium equipment:
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FOODS: Northfin Jumbo Formula a.co/d/cPy1Kq8, Northfin Fish Food 3 mm Sinking Pellets, 500 g , Cichlid Formula a.co/d/4dAHkvb , Northfin Veggie Formula 3mm a.co/d/5rGGIyi, Frozen krill, Garlic Guard a.co/d/dJpwWIA, VitaChem a.co/d/9kdjnrs
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I've always had mbuna with peacocks & haps for many years and they seem to be very happy together. All depends on the individual fish lol
Same
So far I have one peacock amongst eight mbunas. The peacock is the bully 😅
Their diet is not the same. Most mbuna are vegans.
@MrSitallewal83 aside from diet, their temperament is different. I'm sure you can make it work, but I don't think it's the best to mix them.
@@beachaddict7653 many peacocks are just as aggressive as mbuna, they just aren't as hardy. As far as Haps go you just need to mix in a couple bigger ones like Venustus for example. My son has a Hap Peacock tank right now and I have an mbuna tank and his fish are wildly more aggressive than mine.
I have a mixed cichlids tank with cichlids from all over and they do just fine🤷🏾♂️
Mine nah, they die attacked by mbuna😂
have you done african with south american? i want to try it but dont want to pointlessly kill fish if i dont need to
Me too
Your lying
@@ag096I have an mbuna w convict, two acaras and some angel fish and they all are doing well, just depends on tank size and amount and hiding places
Yeah, I've never had a problem, I've even thrown in some Tropheous, and Lethrinops, no problem.
ANY fish can be aggressive, you can research all you want, but at the end of the day, your individual fish does what your individual fish does. My Labs just chilled around the rocks and made tons of babies. No problems at all.
I recently added 5 strawberry Leporinus to my Mbuna tank. They also prefer veggies and have the size, speed and demeanor to hold their own. They’ve been a great addition.
Hello can you please tell me what kind of veggies you feed and how?
I saved a female flowerhorn from a freezing goldfish pawn in a rehoming Facebook ad ... And the only tank I had available at the time was my mbuna cichlid tank (mainly artuas cichlid) I thought it was gonna be terrible but it's actually fantastic 😊
I’ve had a mixed tank for about a year with the same number of all 3, 6 mbuna, 6 happs and 6 peacocks. Never had any issues except for way to many fry produced from mbunas
You know what they say… it works till it doesn’t, lol. Sounds like you keep a good eye on them though.
@@CichlidCharmer man that saying goes for all fish. I had some bluegill in a Central and South American tank. The biggest bluegill was the tank boss even with a Peacock Bass that was roughly the same size. Also had a huge Oscar with a Jaguar and that worked until one day when the Oscar decided to lash out. The Jag wasn't having it and in about five seconds I had an Oscar with a broken back. I didn't even have time to react. They'd been together almost 3 years prior to that.
My friend had a 200 gallon with a yellow in it that dominated all the hiding areas and then made a giant nest in the corner and wouldn't let anyone near it lmfao. I remember he just got a brand new rusty and he was exploring the tank and she started picking on him poor little guy he was so pretty I remember we went to the store to pick him out he was such a beautiful fish just caught your eye with that color
Had a red Zebra named Spike….ate everything that entered the aquarium
Man, you have some beautiful colors in that tank! Some ciclids I've never seen before.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you 🙏
I´ve had a mixed tank with mostly mbunas and 3 peacocks and have had zero issues among the two groups. It's been like these for many years.
All the colors of this cichlid are amazing
I've done exactly the same works well for me too just gotta make sure they get the right diet 😉
I had a 6x2x2 with as many cichlids as I could find locally. All shapes and sizes. Big colourful flower horns and sinspilums, Oscars, electric yellows and blues, hongis, peacocks, parrots, Red Devils, frontosas and so many more I would like like a fool naming them all. 30cm+ Plecos and some smaller super expensive plecos, different types of catfish. There would always be fights, but rarely deaths.
Speaking on behalf of diet, they're loving their Colbalt Cichlid Flakes.
What’s working for me is a good quality pellet. I feed algae flakes or algae pellets in the AM, then feed them a high quality color enhancing pellet in the evenings. They seem to be thriving, hell, I even have a tropheus that is showing no signs of stress from the combination of food.
we have 2 Gouramis in our mixed aquarium. This was an emergency situation from a year ago and I am blessed with how they're getting along.
Yes, gouramis can be super mean to each other
@@CichlidCharmer The hardness level too I was happy to know they liked.
Never had a problem either. I’ve had a mixed cichlids tank for years with no problems
I keep a Half banded spiny eel with my Discus, they get along great .
I would never guess!
The yellow one!!! 🔝
I had a mixed tank for 6 yrs from 2012-18 no probs
Northfin pellets
I have a mixed tank, 6 Malawi Peacocks with a Queen Acara, 2Texas Baloons, a lalupi and 2 Julie's and they live harmoniously together. Everyone's happy, they all eat well. No depression and 0 nipped fins. Supper happy that they all get along and are so healthy
Cichlids can be mixed among other cichlids as long as your tank is big enough for them to post up in their own proximity when needed. That is, enough area around them to feel less stressed and if the tank is big enough, room to relax at times.
I mix my Haps, Mbuna's, Malawi, Victoria, South American and Honduran cichlids with Tinfoil Barbs, pleco's and many other. Never had a problem with aggression.
I have 2 parrot fish mixed in with my peacocks and haps. No problems at all. 😊
I mix all African cichlids together and south and central cichlids they work well for me the trick is finding a good balance and having a backup plan
Ah yes, the backup plan... essential!
Awesome set up, Ray is living his best life. I’m upgrading my mbuna to a 125, and I’m so tempted to put a single male Venustus in there with them, but I know it’s a bad idea lol.
I have had a mixed malawi tank for years. 100 gallon, loads of rock work, lots of caves. Works really well for me
I had a mixed tank for 5-6 years. Had to sell them off when I moved across the state, but my mortality rate was extremely low due to some careful stocking choices. The trick is quantity for the more aggressive ones. They'll chase each other around more than the other varieties.
I mixed yellow labs, auratus and blue hemichromis for years and years.
Yellow lab african cichlids are more mellow compared to other mbunas! My 2 yellow labs are doing great with hap, peacock, large type tetras and catfishes
I’ve had years of success mixing and had where a peacock completely dominated the entire tank and had a kenyi that was driven to kill every tank mate. Biggest tip is watch your tank every day with cichlids.
That is the best tip!
I have 3 frontosa and 3 geophagus topajos along w congo tetras and rose line's and they all get along great...very happy healthy fish...just make sure they have plenty of room n they are good to go...mine are tank bred so water parameters are typically close as opposed to wild cought that would need very different parameters...I keep my water stable n very clean n that helps Alot as well.
Sounds like you’re on top of it!
I keep Frontosa’s too , I’ve been growing “big boy “ since he was the size of a quarter. He is about the size of a iPhone 13 Pro Max 7 years later. He was raised alone in a 75 gallon now house in a 125 with a few tank mates. I’m looking for a female to start his family. Are any of yours breeding yet
Ive always mixed all of my different cichlids together...you just have to have a large tank and enough areas that are set up with different rocks, plants and substrate
I have no issues with mine, they get along quite well
I used to have cichlids, LOVED them. Peacocks were... mean to say the least lol. Had quite a few fish in the tank, peacock wouldn't leave anyone alone. Had to give him his own tank, which he definitely made his own space.
I have a tank of mostly peacocks, 5 yellow labs, 2 venustus, and a blue acei. Perfect and peaceful tank!
I have mbuna with peacocks and haps, mind you their not predator haps but OB and sulphur head seems to work fine as long as everyone is kept happy, heck, I even got Pictus and Raphael Catfish in that tank! Not trying to one up or correct because every tank is different but for sure I’ll put a video up on Facebook for you my friend, stay happy and healthy 😊❤
Ive mixed peacocks, labs, and literary every type of cichlids and only once lost a peacock.. But only because i put him into a 2 year old established tank that had a breeding pair of Burtoni.. besides that no issues..
I have a mix in my tank. My tank is also 160 gallons with plenty of rock. I roughly have about 50-60 fish in there…..I put all fish in as babies! So they all regulate their growth
Been mixing various chiclids for about a year now. All depends on tank size hiding places and every fishes individual personality. Some get along, sometimes they get killed or die from stress. All trial and error. Mine are fine even had them breeding a few times✌️
I got angelfish and Buenos Aires Tetras and one Flowerhorn male they have been living together for 10 years no aggression at all
That’s incredible!
i have a very mixed cichlid tank lol. they all get along great but they also all grew up together. got them all when they were about 1" long.
When I worked at a petstore a woman brought it a 4-5 inch red tail shark, which resides in one of my community tanks now. One of the most bi polar fish I have ever had. He well be chill for weeks and decide he is gonna be a pyschopath today and chase my tetras and so on.
Im gonna move him on to a 75 with tiger barbs, but for now he works surprisingly well with my cherry barbs and ember tetras. The only fish that lived in that tank he wouldnt chase was my apisto, theyd litterally eat from the same algae wafer / got along just fine.
I love red tail sharks! My favorite non-cichlid. They can be real butt heads though. Yours sounds like a challenging fellow
Same but I have two yellow labs with my haps and peacocks Very cool
So did I till one killed the other
@@onelimbot sorry to hear that!
Mixed them for years, never had an issue. Mbuna battles mbuna for territory, and the haps only had eyes for other haps. I always made sure the peacocks were more mature, and they always held their own.
I have peacocks, haps, convicts, mbunas, red jewels, blood parrot, Jack Dempsey, and a few other species of cichlids in one tank. Only had issues with one cichlid being super aggressive and he’s since been removed after killing two of my albino convicts. I have yet to put my new mbunas in yet since I’m still growing them out.
people always said that but i mixed my mbuna and the mbuna had fry which i moved the mbuna were the tank bosses even though they were the smallest but everyone seemed to do just fine
I have a yellow lab,1 yellow tail acei,1 petrotilapia chitimba,1 cynotilapia zebroide jalo reef,1 albino soccolofi,2 Blood parrots,3 severums,2 macaw cichlids,1 electric blue acara,5 clown loaches along with my other 30 peacock and haps in my 8ft 300G tank and all are doing pretty well for almost a year😃…I thnk its the extraspace and the setup style which includes rocks too for the mbunas and plenty of open water swimming space for the others😁 which was the key for success…
Sounds like a great tank. I would love to see it! Almost a year is a long time to have that stability without one of them going crazy on you. Good work!
I would like to see that tank as well!!!!!
Sounds awesome
I had a yellow lab for 7 years. His name was mr ass. I loved him to death but his tank mates would say otherwise. He was territorial and his hide was his hide. Anyone who came near faced his wrath. I miss him a lot and today just welcomed a blue cichlid to my tank. Hopefully he is more mellow.
That’s so funny - love the name. Yeah, totally the opposite from Ray.
I have a 55-gallon planted community tank with a female kribensis and a 40 breeder mixed mbuna cichlid tank.
I used to break the rules most of the time it worked out. I did have some problems until I worked out some necessary rules. Large tank with plenty of rock work with a few mbuna and Convict cichlid with black skirt Characin, a Hap and couple of Servums.
I have a mixed cichlid tank in my 55 and so far no issues! I’m looking to add even more limestone rock so it’ll have more spots to hide! I even threw in some hornwort and I heard they might eat it which I don’t mind lol but sheesh it’s filled out more and gotten greener by the day!
I added limestone rock around Christmas time and I swear the day after one of my red zebras started holding babies in her mouth! So now I have a bunch of babies in a lil tank at the moment!
I have 2 oscars , 3 Peacocks ,2 salvini and 4 red parrots in a tank. Its been more than 4 years they are living peacefully and happt.
I have a 75 gallon fish tank with one albino tiger, Oscar, one electric blue, jack, Dempsey, and some type of yellow African Cichlid
Yep, you can mix Mbuna with Peacocks & Haps. Make sure your Peacocks & Haps are bigger. Mix them at a 3 to 1 ratio & you'll rarely ever have problems. Been doing it for years!
I have yellows and peacocks and giraffe hedge in my 125 but my fish was in one tank as fry so they all get together perfectly question how do you keep your water so clean I am having cloudy water problems
Thanks, man. Check this video out about getting that crystal clear water: CRYSTAL CLEAR Aquarium Water | 5 More INGENIOUS Tips!
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I have a geophagus brasiliensis in a tank with peacocks and haps doing good weirdly enough.
The pipes are the key. I have exactly 1 Mbuna work 2 peacocks and a Jack Dempsey. Mbuna loves his pipe tunnel system so he don't mind the others swimming about lol
Good to know!
I got 15 guppies. A yellow lab baby hitchhiked and he's barely two inches. Now he is living with those guppies, corydoras, rainbows, tetras and denison barbs. It's been a week
Sounds like some of those will soon become snacks for the lab.
beautiful color....
Thank you!
What food you give to them and how often you change your water and how much percent?
Mostly Northfin and a little Xtreme. I supplement with frozen krill and zucchini about once per week. I change the water once per week about 75%. Sometimes I will do an extra water change as well.
Don’t know if this is a good idea but j have a goldfish tank with a female betta. I also have another tank with a betta and his henchmen. 2 rosy reds
Usually not a good idea as goldfish like cooler waters and bettas like warmer water
Plus goldfish get pretty big (especially the single tails) and might eat the betta
I have a tetra and barb community tank with 2 polar blue parrot fish in and they get along great
I have three peacocks in my mbuna tank. Which I think only works because they match them in aggression. And there is plenty of hiding places and line of sight breaks.
I’ve had mixed cichlids even had an Oscar with them and had 0 problems
Mine have been together for 2 years almost and my Ray is the one that breaks up the fights between everyone else lol
Sounds like a good boy! I don’t have any fish that break up fights. Always wanted one though
I’ve got three yellow labs pretty small, three larger peacocks, four mbunas, a red jewel and a random Texas cichlid who get along great.
That's quite an eclectic collection! Glad they're doing well!
My haps peacocks and mbunas get along fine. The labidochromis was tank boss until I introduced a larger maingano pair to the tank lol
I've had all three and only had issues with 1 Auratus. I have a different one now that likes to chase my giant danios. lol
I've mixed a lot of different cichlids mostly Malawi & Central American cichlids with success. The only one I couldn't mix was a Lake Victorian cichlid that gauged the eyes out of a larger nicaraguense. I put him in a tank with a juvenile pair of wolf cichlids thinking the bully would be put in his place and they completely ignored him but also he did not gauge their eyes out long story short if you have a cichlid tank that works just consider yourself blessed and leave well enough alone.
Truth, brother!
I wanted peackock and hap tank, but ended up ordering both due to a buy 8, get 2 free special and their peacocks were limited. They were added with the 3 mbuna and pleco i already had. I haven't lost anyone yet, but I see a lot of territorial disputes.i recently lowered the temperature per one of your suggestions😊
Hopefully it works out!
I breed peacocks with Mbuna. This is hilarious.
I didn’t know you could do that
I have 2 powder blue socolofi, 1 Snow White socolofi, a yellow lab mix, 2 red jewels, 3 barchardi, and a convict all in the same tank. So far so good. But people are starting to make me worry and rethink my mixture.
That’s an eclectic mix. You know what they say - it works till it doesn’t 😆
Every fish is different, but I've had labs and rusties bully demasoni and scolofi, the right lab would work great, but id be too afraid to mix beyond a mellow adult male lab personally (my rusties are some of the most aggressive mbuna I own so I've got a weird bias lol).
One tiger, Oscar Cichlid, three African cichlids, one white goldfish, and a huge catfish
the dwarf synos 💕
I have no trouble mixing mbuna with haps, there’s quite a few that will work, but I agree that most will not
I have a electric blue johanni with my peacock and haps and they are chilling😎
hi.i have exactly the same like you in my fish tank..only one small careleus .but at the moment everthing is ok.all rest of my tank is mix haps and peacocks...and about diet ..im always mix spiruline with garlic pellets and new life spectron..
Hep, gotta make sure they get their veggies!
@@CichlidCharmer ok..i will do.👍.thnks for tips.. and congratulation for you channel....its a lot good tips ..
@@gianbarmanable you’re so welcome!
I've got a yellow lab and a massive bumblebee I'm very lucky that bumblebee is docile
Yeah, they are monsters I hear!
I keep Tropheus and I’ve always been told never to keep two colonies in the same tank, and I’ve had success with three colonies that all three breed and the young to stay in the tank to where Now there’s over 100 fish in there and I’ve got to thin them out
Pretty impressive! I had a tropheus mixed in with my boys and he took the eyes out of several of his tank mates. 👹
I have a mixed African Cichlid tank, even have a flowerhorn...so far all good 😊
No way - a flowerhorn? Amazing
He's not quite an adult, but he's still the biggest in the tank lol
@@Boxers6466 Better keep an eye on that guy! 😁
75 gallon assortment cichlid tank with a single bala shark
Grew mine together as juveniles and never had a problem
I have a fish like ray named sunshine and she is the smallest fish in the tank but watching this I know why every time something new goes into the tank she picks at it (I think she killed our last 2 algae feeders)
We have 3 mbunas, 7 Peacocks, and 2 haps
I mixed them and I had no problems they was very clam
I had a kenyi a yellow lab and 3 zebras. Got rid of the kenyi and yellow lab because they terrorized the peacocks in the tank. The 3 zebras are chilling though
I am surprised about the lab, but not THAT surprised. They say it works until it doesn’t.
@@CichlidCharmer I think it was a problem only because he was raised from fry from my original tank. So he grew up getting beat up so when he hit Mature size he was a demon lol
I had a yellow lab that just died yesterday.... it was with two mbunas..... just fine for months..... they all seemed fine..... yellow lab was eating just fine, one day came home and my yellow was floating.....🤷♂️..... never had a problem until now....
Oh so sad. Sorry to hear that! I’ve had fish do that overnight. Leave a perfect looking corpse too. I think they spooked and swam into a panel
Have many mixed of both.. my tank is pretty peaceful. I see a chase now and then but no blood baths. I feed both pellet and flakes at same time.. fish choose the type they like for the most part. I have NOT had luck with South American in the tank however so I avoid South American.
EDIT: Forgot to mention.. 125 G Tank
Sounds like it’s working nicely. Good size tank 🤘
I see a lot of people with mixed mbuna peacocks and haps
Had a red Zebra called Spike, ate everything that entered the aquarium
It’s because you named him Spike.
@@CichlidCharmer lol seemed funny at the time.
I'm gonna try this combo with my south American Chiclids, wish me luck!!
Which ones, Bharat?
@@CichlidCharmer, severum, electric blue acara, snow white Chiclid, green terror and firemouth.
Would that work?
@@bharatnaidu4785 it’s a fairly wide gamut of aggressiveness so you’d have to be careful
@@CichlidCharmeryou are so awesome that you reply to any comment..
Mr Charmer you are a charmer in real life too.
I'll get one today and check it out for a day, if it doesn't work I'll return it
Totally my pleasure, and thank you, too!
Peacock, imbuna, parrot, green terror, dolphon, convicts, red tail shark
Very oddball mix 😃 my red tail got beat up badly by my ACs
I have a mix and they all do just fine
I’m Probobly moving my 3 yellow labs into a 75 gallon and adding some peacocks
I did that with a snowflake mbuna
he's the star of the ❤..
Sure is!
I remember when I first got a 220 and just bought like 60 Malawi and Tanganyika cichlid. I guess they were pretty split evenly because I had like 15 peacocks, 5 frontosa, 20 mbuna, like 10 yellow and blk tropheus and some shell dwellers and I remember only losing 1 fish to aggression and it was an mbuna that was getting bullied by the biggest mbuna 🤷🏻♂️ I didn’t know much back then but it all worked out beautiful after roughly 6 years I sold the whole thing for $200 with fish and everything 😂 what a waste
I have both together both had several fry already. I have a small that chase's everyone crazy
😀
Yes i have a mix tank
I had a Demasoni take out a third of my tank…
He got evicted. I now have an international tank with africans and americans mixed. Peacefully for a while now. A large salvini female is the tank boss and she runs a tight but “light hearted” ship.
Everything about how you presented that is so funny. I mean except for all the death and destruction lol
I mix mbuna peacock and American cichlids they all happy lives
Very nice 🤩
I have probably the most controversial setup you can have😅 I have a 75 gallon with mainly peacocks and mbuna but also have a convict and a synspilum in there with them and the only problem I’ve had in over 2 years is the convict and synspilum fight for territory but no one gets hurt or nipped. Just got very lucky I guess lol
I've tried convicts on at least 3 separate occasions and I end up with the biggest jerks on planet Earth. Same with jewel cichlids. Just can't find a nice one 🤣 One thing I've learned about keeping fish, it's taught me to not be so stubborn. I finally gave up on both species 🤣
@@poohead8022 my convict is an asshole as well😂 and I have a jewel too but he’s not bad at all. But yeah it gets tough when you get into the more aggressive fish. They do have personalities like no other though😂
I had mixed mine for years and they were all fine so this isn't true. The one that I had problems with the most in a community tank was my Oscar.
I’d love an oscar.
I currently have no issues in mine 14 Mbunas 11 Peacocks even threw in 2 Firemouths and 1 Convict. Going so well I've had 3 breed breed in the same tank.
Hopefully that continues. Good job!