Great video Ed and Edwin! This is very informative for the consumer, however it is my hope that one day in the not too distant future these companies are required to use actual measurements for their ratings, not these made up numbers. Many people compare amps based on the ratings and some companies (Boss, HiFonics, Autotek, Power Acoustik - just to name a few) are misleading consumers. This is the main reason Ryan and I test amps on our channels. We want people to see the actual measurements. It should be noted, John Ivey (MTX and Atlas) is heading up a consortium to work toward confirmed ratings. Very exciting stuff!
Hey thanks man. I did have a statement about CEA rating in the past and the new announcement, but I cut it for time. Should be exciting going forward. I feel calling out the culprits is one step towards making change.
Honestly if it wouldn't have been for videos like this from Showtime or your channel Dave, I would have been making a lot of mistakes in my build recently; but, courtesy of you guys I feel confident in my recent purchase of a PRV A1BASS PRO to replace my current monoblock! I'm sure my American Bass XFL is gonna be much happier!
Yeah I had my local businesses laughing on Instagram when I hashtaged where's the beef on the Pyramid amplifier. It's funny but it's not because it was stamped a thousand watts but if you saw the pictures you'd laugh too but people believe it that's why it's not funny.
I drive by Incriminator's headquarters every time I travel to Florence, Alabama from Rogersville, Alabama! One of the major problems that keep these companies building and selling overrated cheap products is consumer willingness. If they continue to willingly purchase products that do not meet or exceed rated performance then they will keep manufacturing and selling these products in mass! There are no real US guidelines for product quality in car audio, there are only regulations related to safety from death or injury for consumer products and fcc requirements for radio interference! The only place left to turn to is the FTC and Bureau of Consumer Protection, however that would require documentation, evidence and testimony to force an investigation into companies/manufacturers! For them it would take quite a bit of effort to convince them something needs done, but the evidence is obviously there, we just need some dedicated individuals and pro-bono support from qualified individuals to start a movement! Contacting the CTA would be a major place to start for helping create and establish standards for car audio equipment ratings! It would also take some convincing of members of our government to try to create or establish guidelines which would obviously need to cover not just car amplifiers, but all equipment that has an amplified rating, everything from home audio, portable/personal electronics to every aspect of car audio to ensure proper consumer protection! CEA compliance is not a requirement by manufacturers it is simply an organization that puts forth guidelines for companies that wish to utilize their resources to help promote and protect their companies! I support you guys who run dyno tests and try to cover these issues, but social media is not the best place to make a case, we as consumers need you to collaborate and compile all the evidence you can and send your data and statistics to a place that will listen better than the consumer will, like the Consumer Technology Association, Bureau of Consumer Protection and your local congressional leaders! With your effort and dedication consumers could soon receive the protection and guidance you all try to provide with your information, evidence and opinions!
Sweet upload!! I actually installed that crunch 4 channel in my wife’s budget build powering some alpine type e components and matching coax in the rear. Ran off a pioneer 1300nex. Amp and speakers were less than 100$ combined off sonic electronix, and deck was 220 on Amazon. Couldn’t stand when I was in the car with her listening to old stock stuff. So for under 300$ it’s a night and day difference. No where in the conversation of sq, but if you understand what you are getting with cheaper products and install them properly, they do have there place in the car audio world. That’s my 2 cents. Keep it up Ed!! Love your channel
Good job on the videos. I have a question. Im running a relatively stock stereo in my 92 fullsize blazer. One Alpine CDE HD149BT. Two cerwin vega 6x9s and two kicker 6.5s, one cerwin vega stroker D2 15 with a lanzer 5000 watt amps 0 gauge power leads. My questions is about dirty power. I understand that the lanzer 5000 watt amp doesn’t put out 5000 watts but for my 1200 watt cerwin vega stroker, I thinks its enough, right? Can I damage the speaker by using a cheap amp. Im not sure that my speaker is actually seeing 1000 watts from that claimed 5000 watt lanzer.
Ok. So I got two boss P156DVCs 15s and a boss PH5000D amp, and box for 80 dollars. 2500 watts on each sub and 5000 watts on the amp. Has 4 40 amp fuses on the amp, thought I was good to go. Car toy install. Aftermarket head unit. The piece of shit fried the subs in 30 mins. Also fried 2 different sets of DC subs before I got the DC 1.2k amp. So never ever get a cheap amp. Thought I could get away with it because of great success with Sony xplod amps in the past. Boy was I wrong, just wish I didnt waste so much money. Long story but even with my 2 DC lvl 2 12s, Quinn q602 door speakers and the DC amp it still sounds like shit.
This video reminds me of the Pyramid amplifiers back in the 80's. Pyramid was notorious for over exaggerated power claims. So we coined the phrase "Pyramid Power" to all cheap amplifiers.
@@SparkedEd depends on what pyramid amp super pro is the best And ppi built amp for pyramid brand Here's the link www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/old-school-car-audio-discussion/141570-old-school-pyramid-made-ppi.html
I've been using a skar skv2.2500 since July, and it's been performing very well.. I had been outta the bass game for a while.. it's a decent amplifier that does its rated power, and I believe it's a Korean board amp.. I paid 499 for it.. The amplifier I want to buy now is the deaf bonce 4k, I also have a deaf bonce aak-200.4d 4ch and I love it so far, I would eventually think about going to a AB amp for mids & highs for a little better SQ.. although 4ch class d has came along ways and I love the size
I have a 5000 watt boss amp..blew(well, made the subs seize up and freeze) 2 boss phantom 15's on the 1st day, both rated at 2500watts, sealed box..have a good single din deck and a pair of quin acoustic door speakers..2001 suburban....obviously they were lying about the wattage on the subs at least..hadn't properly broken them in, I guess..now have 2 12 jl wO's in a ported box..they hit but not as hard as I expected..then the smell comes when u have em cranked up..wondering if I should change out the amp? Any thoughts would be appreciated
I was hustled by a stereo shop once, they sold me what looked like a nice chrome amp by the name "legacy", with 500x2 watts written on it, and they charged me about $150 USD, the freaken amp sounded like crap and seemed like it was 10 watts. I later googled that amp and was retailing for about $20. I never trustes stereo shops again nor the wattage written on amps. And not only that, the sound also sounds better on well known brands. I later noticed the difference after buying a 200 watt kenwood.
We always explained to customer $79 1000 watt amp ....is rated at 1000 watts WLS (When Lightning Strikes) instead of RMS... back then you crack the case open and it would have a couple btl output chips like a head unit and a hunk of metal to add weight
Many musical instrument amplifier manufacturers play rhe same game. Behringer, for instance, grossly overstates the actual power of their amps. I owned a Behringer 45 watt bass amp that could barely produce 20 watts before clipping, and a 60 watt guitar amp that was actually 25 watts before clipping. Trash.
Nice video. I was wondering if you could do a video on recommended box thickness for no box vibration using baltic birch (not the cheap home depot stuff) and also mdf as it's most popular. Also where is safest spot to mount amps as my amp rack vibrates and can't be avoided. It is made of 2x4s and bolted through the trunk of car. I've still yet to solve this issue. 3k rms system using wolfram 3k amp at .67 ohm.
Any company that claims there amp is pushing over a 1000 amps, and is selling it on Amazon for like 50 to 100 bucks , dont bother, just save up the money and purchase a good amp, like audio control, or Rockford fosgate, or if you can afford it Macintosh , or any of the well know audio companies that have been in the game for awhile, but if its coming off of Amazon, i would not waste my money!!
I just recently purchased 4800 watt American Bass vfl amplifier never seen one before only thing I could find is 5000 watts and 4500 Watts I'm not sure what it's capable of doing I currently have it on 4 18 inch speakers they are dual 4-ohm voice coil I currently have one coil per speaker running to the amp at 1 ohm my question is I need to run a second amplifier should I strap them together and hook all the speakers up and run it at half ohm or run the amplifier separate with two speakers on each one at 1 ohm
I can recall crunch being a big thing. Where have they gone? Two of my friends had their amps in the late 90's. Both had to have been about 30"s long and i guess they never have been good at rating them because the "4000" was more powerful than the "6000" by far.
I don"t have to watch this video to know the answer. They all are lying. Even if they give you the right specs, it's wrong. They can test it at 1khz at 2 ohms peak with 10% distortion. Whatever. It is all junk these days.
I ran pyramid super pro 12’s on a Sherwood amp not sure the size. That was my first setup. It was pretty nice back in the day for a kid working fast food. In the early 90’s the good equipment costed an arm and a leg. It was close to a dollar a watt. It was also made right here in the USA. The good old days🤘
@@easylooker4889 no doubt back in early mid 90s I'll take crunch all day...shit was coveted back then but same for earthquake and a bunch of other now bunk names. Sad.
My dad's crunch amp keeps over heating that's why crunch sucks in my opinion when I get my first real car instead of my winter beater I got now I'm putting Wolfram amps and good budget subs under $300
Ed please help me im looking for budget SQ... lol ...... is old sq stuff like say an older zapco s50. Or do you think that newer stuff is better than it used to b.
Boss armor amps are one of the biggest disappointments for what they say they can do fool me once.... I just got a Stetsom 6000 2 ohm and wow It impresses my ever time I use it. I know Brazilian amps get hated on but I believe in seeing for yourself
I have seen a switch in trends with amplifiers. Some cheap underdog no-name brands have gotten better, while more well known brands have seen their quality go down and it shows. But, there are some flea market gems that do close to, if not the power rated indicated on the box or the equipment.
First things first brother u r 💯PERCENT awesome iv watch some of ur older videos and they were amazing also i wanted to ask it's probably a dumb question to ask but it brought back so many memories from back in the day to see that MTX amp but is there any way u can find those older amps on line the Rockford fosgate to i remember that's all the AMPS i would use back then the smallest one i had was 400w and a custom ported box im not shr about the tuning or cubic feet or anything but the box was like at least 80 to 100 pounds give or take and i had the only pair of TREO ENGINEERS no1 believed that i only had 400w running them i always had to show everyone that herd my system i always used Rockford fosgate Og WIRE and alot of my friends always fell for that FAKE MAX WATTS they really believed they were getting 3000w 4000w and i would tell them how is my system louder than yours if ur power was true power but they thought i had bigger amps hidden under my box wer my spear tire went but i just let it go at that point they were speechless wen i got a flat tire and i had to change it they all ran down to catch me with another AMP and i made them a deal if i didn't have another AMP they would have to change my tire and to there surprise no other AMP and just so there were no more 😭 about it i turned my system on and let them here it and they still couldn't believe it and all i could say is it's not always the number u see on the box it's the quality of the brand sometimes u might have to pay more but it is so WORTH IT wen u here ur system and after that I had them all asking me were to get them and we started a little BASS crew it was silly but it was only like 20 of us but it was so much fun back then im so glad it's all coming out again il always be a BASSHEAD FOR LIFE. OMG IM SO SORRY FOR RAMBLING ON IM NEW TO ALL THIS BUT im gonna have my son help me out with a UA-cam channel and im gonna start trying to do what i can so u can get the equipment u need to help us out here that want to kno more about everything u have to share sorry again for the nauseating in long video il b shr to make them shorter in the future thank you for taking the time out to make these videos (✌🏼💪🏼🔈💪🏼🔉💪🏼🔊)
I laughed at guys thinking you had hidden amps. They just didn't know any better. lol. For old amps you just have to keep an eye on ebay or classifieds pages. The link in the description to Williston Audio channel is a good place to see old amps and maybe paths to buy some.
I ran 2 Hollywood excursion 12’s. I only had them on a 50watt Memphis HC amp. I always got the same thing. And what was funny was that my 50 watt amp was bigger than their 1000 watt pyramid.
worked at a pawn shop for quite a while and i would tell customers what the amps were about even if it was bad .. boss , audio bahn has some crap out there . crunch ect .. all crap !!!!!!!!!!!!
Just subbed to your channel. GREAT video BTW. My favorite amp that I owned was i believe an 03 to 06 year makeof the thunder elite Mtx audio amp. It was one of the higher end mtx audio amps.
@@SparkedEd ohh it's a "we" type deal gotcha lol. I just didn't know if it was something you had been working on alone. Like a side project that is getting going or something ya know? Right on. I have to uninstall my entire system from my f250. I like that switch board so much I think I'll need to buy 1 or 10 😂. No for real though in the future I'll take a couple. Thanks
Bought a deaf bonce 8000 watt rms amp. Brazilian board and not sure on electrical needed to supply it. How many amp hrs? Caps? 320 amp alt should be plenty of alternator? Also running 1000 rms of zapco on mids/ highs
I need me one of those sparked innovation relay boxes! I needs me one of those for certain. Think I'll be placing an order soon. Thanks for the great video as usual. You got me sounding like I know a thing or two lol
When I got into car audio, amplifiers were over a dollar a watt. So they would inflate the rating, (not nearly as inflated as now) without the average consumer being able actually see what wattage they were actually getting.
Yes, good point and exactly right. It's why I stated in the video, Phase and frequency should be taken into account, meaning phase of current to voltage, and that I do not have the proper test equipment to show a true test. I was merely showing examples of what voltage and current is measured, which does have meaning since one amp shows close measurements to what is rated and the other is less than 20% of what is rated. I hoped that it made the point I was stating.
I use to have that mtx amp I believe. From like 1999-2001 ish I think that was made? Somewhere in that time frame? Let me know if I'm wrong please. I don't remember the exact model name.
@@SparkedEd nice, yeah man my mtx history was unfortunately a crappy situation but interesting story lol. I won't get into it here but maybe I'll make a video about it soon. When I do I'll share the link here. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Really enjoyed this, actually was informative!! And.. Your other videos.. until now.. I thought the 2 characters were 2 different people till now!!! Hahaaaa
This question is off subject . You said in a different video that you ran ground wire to the amps instead of rounding them to the chassis. I've done the same from the batteries I have in front of my backseat I have a ground wire that goes to the amps in the trunk 2 a distribution block. But I have the battery is grounded to the front seat bolts. and a ground wire that continues up to the battery in the front under the hood which is connected to the chassis wall next to that battery also ground wire goes to the motor block choose the alternator chassis and to the sidewall chassis next to the alternator
This is all ran with 2 ought welding cable for the positive and negative wires a two hundred amp alternator two group 31 Optima blue top batteries and another Duke cell 700 cold cranking amp 75 empower battery in the front. To run one Orion XTR 2500 DZ a older eclipse 200 by 4 Brewing nice silver amp I can't remember the exact model number and a Hertz 4-channel also it is I believe going about 70 watts per for channels with an audio control line driver Overdrive Plus sounds good works good it'll drop down to like 12. 1% just below Full Tilt it will stay in the 13s.
And 4 speakers I have for Rockville mids in the back deck with 2polk 1001 tweeters also on the back deck and front doors have Rockford Fosgate 6 and 1/2 inch punchmids two more Polk Audio tweeters n2mb quartz tweeters by the head visor the herts amp runs with tweeters the eclipse runs the mids and the Orion runs a sundown zv4 with Nightshade coils
Thank you for your knowledge and your videos. I have been watching you channel for years. I have a Peerless STW-350F-188PR01-04 15" Power Handling (RMS) 3,500 Watts Power Handling (max) 5,000 Watts Impedance 8+8 ohms What amplifier would you recommend?
That's a subwoofer for home audio, you are gonna have bad time finding something that can do more than 2kw on 4ohms. Home amplifier on the other hand can do stupid amounts of power at 4 ohms (you would have to run voice coils in parallel).
@@K-Effect Hm, i can only find ratings for 5000.1D (i'm not sure if it's same as splx) and it's rated at 1900W so i might be wrong. It's more than enough for daily driver in my opinion but i usually like to run a bit more than rms power and dial gain down if needed. That way i would get clean signal even if i push my sub to max. 1 or 2 ohms is ideal for car sub, but if you are planning SQ setup that sub will be good in well designed enclosure and with good amplifier.
Nothing new here same ol story for last 30 yrs when it comes to amps... seen it in the 80s 90s 2000s...nothing new....its not cheap apps but cheap brands...I only use hifonics...cheap and put out
I’m running an old Sony xplod XM 4060 4 channel 4x60 on all my mids and highs . I can’t Complain I’ve had it in 4 vehicles and it just keeps rocking clean power .
I have an alpine 400 rms amp I got about 15 years ago and recently got back into car audio. The amp still works fine but I wanted a few things like a bass knob, non spade terminal connections and a smaller footprint. I went with a power acoustik rzr 2500 after seeing the budget gems or budget bust video. It came out to about 800 before clipping and for whatever reason it seems to sound a lot fuller. I’d like to be able to get a little louder but I’ve been happy and it pairs well with my ssa demon 12
I had a lanzar 3000 watt Max ...???? Rms that was not rated for one ohm literally tried to blow it would blow a 30 fuse put a 40 blew that put bare wires for a fuse... Didn't blow now it was close too 1200 watts for 70$ not bad
Great video Ed and Edwin! This is very informative for the consumer, however it is my hope that one day in the not too distant future these companies are required to use actual measurements for their ratings, not these made up numbers. Many people compare amps based on the ratings and some companies (Boss, HiFonics, Autotek, Power Acoustik - just to name a few) are misleading consumers. This is the main reason Ryan and I test amps on our channels. We want people to see the actual measurements. It should be noted, John Ivey (MTX and Atlas) is heading up a consortium to work toward confirmed ratings. Very exciting stuff!
Hey thanks man. I did have a statement about CEA rating in the past and the new announcement, but I cut it for time. Should be exciting going forward. I feel calling out the culprits is one step towards making change.
Honestly if it wouldn't have been for videos like this from Showtime or your channel Dave, I would have been making a lot of mistakes in my build recently; but, courtesy of you guys I feel confident in my recent purchase of a PRV A1BASS PRO to replace my current monoblock! I'm sure my American Bass XFL is gonna be much happier!
Great Video. Where can we buy sparked innovations products?
Thank you, you can check out my FB link in the description or go to sparkedinnovations.com
Williston Audio Labs what’s sad is Hifonics and Autotek did have good stuff in the beginning.
On the Crunch box it clearly reads "features subject to change without notice" the missing 860w are a feature that they changed without notice
I follow both Williston and Buget Gem's they are great channel's and found out about this channel through them. Keep the hits coming!
3 dislikes....they must run Hifonics
You mean to tell me that my 40 amp fused amp won’t do 2000watts if lightning strikes? Say it ain’t so!
Only if you drive at 88mph
ShowtimeSPL where we’re going we don’t need fuses!
Yeah I had my local businesses laughing on Instagram when I hashtaged where's the beef on the Pyramid amplifier. It's funny but it's not because it was stamped a thousand watts but if you saw the pictures you'd laugh too but people believe it that's why it's not funny.
Big d wiz is why I chose that wolfram. Good shoutout.
Man Ive only watched a few of your vids and I am learning so much. Thanks man much appreciated!
I drive by Incriminator's headquarters every time I travel to Florence, Alabama from Rogersville, Alabama! One of the major problems that keep these companies building and selling overrated cheap products is consumer willingness. If they continue to willingly purchase products that do not meet or exceed rated performance then they will keep manufacturing and selling these products in mass!
There are no real US guidelines for product quality in car audio, there are only regulations related to safety from death or injury for consumer products and fcc requirements for radio interference!
The only place left to turn to is the FTC and Bureau of Consumer Protection, however that would require documentation, evidence and testimony to force an investigation into companies/manufacturers! For them it would take quite a bit of effort to convince them something needs done, but the evidence is obviously there, we just need some dedicated individuals and pro-bono support from qualified individuals to start a movement! Contacting the CTA would be a major place to start for helping create and establish standards for car audio equipment ratings!
It would also take some convincing of members of our government to try to create or establish guidelines which would obviously need to cover not just car amplifiers, but all equipment that has an amplified rating, everything from home audio, portable/personal electronics to every aspect of car audio to ensure proper consumer protection! CEA compliance is not a requirement by manufacturers it is simply an organization that puts forth guidelines for companies that wish to utilize their resources to help promote and protect their companies!
I support you guys who run dyno tests and try to cover these issues, but social media is not the best place to make a case, we as consumers need you to collaborate and compile all the evidence you can and send your data and statistics to a place that will listen better than the consumer will, like the Consumer Technology Association, Bureau of Consumer Protection and your local congressional leaders! With your effort and dedication consumers could soon receive the protection and guidance you all try to provide with your information, evidence and opinions!
Rockford Fosgate Power series amplifiers have been my go to and trusted for years now.
If it's not RMS it's crap ...forget pmpo nonsense lmao
Great video!!! Wish I had all this information back in the early 90’s.
Me too, I bought a Kombat amp in 1992 that said 500W, but was really about 100w
Cheap amps = disappointment
When it comes to Crunch just go 3x over your subs wattage lol.
I'm using an Orion xtr pro 1500.1dz
I heard they are nice, what are your thoughts?
@@SparkedEd I like it so far it's a power hog though 0 gage and new alternator
Sweet upload!!
I actually installed that crunch 4 channel in my wife’s budget build powering some alpine type e components and matching coax in the rear. Ran off a pioneer 1300nex. Amp and speakers were less than 100$ combined off sonic electronix, and deck was 220 on Amazon. Couldn’t stand when I was in the car with her listening to old stock stuff. So for under 300$ it’s a night and day difference. No where in the conversation of sq, but if you understand what you are getting with cheaper products and install them properly, they do have there place in the car audio world. That’s my 2 cents. Keep it up Ed!! Love your channel
Ha, this Crunch will be used on Alpine type E components as well. Better than stock in a base model Kia Soul at least
Nice Mtx amp
If you seach Craigslist, you'll find tons of dumbass people buying amps because they believe Boss produces 2000 watts for $50
More please
I'm using the crunch just for mids and highs and they are loud and crisp but no bueno on subs
Good job on the videos. I have a question. Im running a relatively stock stereo in my 92 fullsize blazer. One Alpine CDE HD149BT. Two cerwin vega 6x9s and two kicker 6.5s, one cerwin vega stroker D2 15 with a lanzer 5000 watt amps 0 gauge power leads. My questions is about dirty power. I understand that the lanzer 5000 watt amp doesn’t put out 5000 watts but for my 1200 watt cerwin vega stroker, I thinks its enough, right? Can I damage the speaker by using a cheap amp. Im not sure that my speaker is actually seeing 1000 watts from that claimed 5000 watt lanzer.
Ok. So I got two boss P156DVCs 15s and a boss PH5000D amp, and box for 80 dollars. 2500 watts on each sub and 5000 watts on the amp. Has 4 40 amp fuses on the amp, thought I was good to go. Car toy install. Aftermarket head unit. The piece of shit fried the subs in 30 mins. Also fried 2 different sets of DC subs before I got the DC 1.2k amp. So never ever get a cheap amp. Thought I could get away with it because of great success with Sony xplod amps in the past. Boy was I wrong, just wish I didnt waste so much money. Long story but even with my 2 DC lvl 2 12s, Quinn q602 door speakers and the DC amp it still sounds like shit.
This video reminds me of the Pyramid amplifiers back in the 80's. Pyramid was notorious for over exaggerated power claims. So we coined the phrase "Pyramid Power" to all cheap amplifiers.
They made cool looking amps though. i remember seeing them with marble patterns on them and gold trim.
@@SparkedEd depends on what pyramid amp super pro is the best
And ppi built amp for pyramid brand
Here's the link
www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/old-school-car-audio-discussion/141570-old-school-pyramid-made-ppi.html
I've been using a skar skv2.2500 since July, and it's been performing very well.. I had been outta the bass game for a while.. it's a decent amplifier that does its rated power, and I believe it's a Korean board amp.. I paid 499 for it..
The amplifier I want to buy now is the deaf bonce 4k, I also have a deaf bonce aak-200.4d 4ch and I love it so far, I would eventually think about going to a AB amp for mids & highs for a little better SQ.. although 4ch class d has came along ways and I love the size
I haven't seen many of those amps, but they are getting out there more and more
@@SparkedEd crescendo dropped their AB and went with class D on their small amps now. He told me you couldn't tell a difference with an untrained ear.
I have a 5000 watt boss amp..blew(well, made the subs seize up and freeze) 2 boss phantom 15's on the 1st day, both rated at 2500watts, sealed box..have a good single din deck and a pair of quin acoustic door speakers..2001 suburban....obviously they were lying about the wattage on the subs at least..hadn't properly broken them in, I guess..now have 2 12 jl wO's in a ported box..they hit but not as hard as I expected..then the smell comes when u have em cranked up..wondering if I should change out the amp? Any thoughts would be appreciated
I was hustled by a stereo shop once, they sold me what looked like a nice chrome amp by the name "legacy", with 500x2 watts written on it, and they charged me about $150 USD, the freaken amp sounded like crap and seemed like it was 10 watts. I later googled that amp and was retailing for about $20. I never trustes stereo shops again nor the wattage written on amps. And not only that, the sound also sounds better on well known brands. I later noticed the difference after buying a 200 watt kenwood.
We always explained to customer $79 1000 watt amp ....is rated at 1000 watts WLS (When Lightning Strikes) instead of RMS... back then you crack the case open and it would have a couple btl output chips like a head unit and a hunk of metal to add weight
Many musical instrument amplifier manufacturers play rhe same game. Behringer, for instance, grossly overstates the actual power of their amps. I owned a Behringer 45 watt bass amp that could barely produce 20 watts before clipping, and a 60 watt guitar amp that was actually 25 watts before clipping. Trash.
Nice video. I was wondering if you could do a video on recommended box thickness for no box vibration using baltic birch (not the cheap home depot stuff) and also mdf as it's most popular. Also where is safest spot to mount amps as my amp rack vibrates and can't be avoided. It is made of 2x4s and bolted through the trunk of car. I've still yet to solve this issue. 3k rms system using wolfram 3k amp at .67 ohm.
Rms root means squared
Any company that claims there amp is pushing over a 1000 amps, and is selling it on Amazon for like 50 to 100 bucks , dont bother, just save up the money and purchase a good amp, like audio control, or Rockford fosgate, or if you can afford it Macintosh , or any of the well know audio companies that have been in the game for awhile, but if its coming off of Amazon, i would not waste my money!!
I just recently purchased 4800 watt American Bass vfl amplifier never seen one before only thing I could find is 5000 watts and 4500 Watts I'm not sure what it's capable of doing I currently have it on 4 18 inch speakers they are dual 4-ohm voice coil I currently have one coil per speaker running to the amp at 1 ohm my question is I need to run a second amplifier should I strap them together and hook all the speakers up and run it at half ohm or run the amplifier separate with two speakers on each one at 1 ohm
I can recall crunch being a big thing. Where have they gone? Two of my friends had their amps in the late 90's. Both had to have been about 30"s long and i guess they never have been good at rating them because the "4000" was more powerful than the "6000" by far.
I don"t have to watch this video to know the answer. They all are lying. Even if they give you the right specs, it's wrong. They can test it at 1khz at 2 ohms peak with 10% distortion. Whatever. It is all junk these days.
I ran pyramid super pro 12’s on a Sherwood amp not sure the size. That was my first setup. It was pretty nice back in the day for a kid working fast food. In the early 90’s the good equipment costed an arm and a leg. It was close to a dollar a watt. It was also made right here in the USA. The good old days🤘
Good old Sherwood, I wonder where they went.
ShowtimeSPL I think they still do home audio. I’m not sure
We use to have a flea market in Raleigh NC old man Jim used to sell them
And that where I did my first install
My lanzar Opti 200 was $850 for a 100x2 amp. This was 1993? Can't remember what the Opti 50 was
First amp in my car was a linear power 5002 on 2- kicker 15s in a sealed box Shoot everyone ran sealed boxes where I lived. That amp was made in 88
If you buy an amp called Crunch you deserve to get ripped off
back in 1994 those were some good stuff as was lanzar. I ran a lot of lanzar Opti drive.
@@easylooker4889 no doubt back in early mid 90s I'll take crunch all day...shit was coveted back then but same for earthquake and a bunch of other now bunk names. Sad.
My dad's crunch amp keeps over heating that's why crunch sucks in my opinion when I get my first real car instead of my winter beater I got now I'm putting Wolfram amps and good budget subs under $300
Ed please help me im looking for budget SQ... lol ...... is old sq stuff like say an older zapco s50. Or do you think that newer stuff is better than it used to b.
Boss armor amps are one of the biggest disappointments for what they say they can do fool me once.... I just got a Stetsom 6000 2 ohm and wow It impresses my ever time I use it. I know Brazilian amps get hated on but I believe in seeing for yourself
Have you ever had experience with NVX from Sonic electronic? They seem too good to be true.
Excellent videos! Lots of good info.
Do any of you guys know what I can actually expect out of a old Planet Audio BB 12 50 .1? Well I say old it's like 10 years old I think
Long story short you get what you pay for
Exactly
Hey how would you say the skar RP2000.1 is? It’s about 230$ and had been shown going over 2000 watts :)
I have seen a switch in trends with amplifiers. Some cheap underdog no-name brands have gotten better, while more well known brands have seen their quality go down and it shows. But, there are some flea market gems that do close to, if not the power rated indicated on the box or the equipment.
First things first brother u r 💯PERCENT awesome iv watch some of ur older videos and they were amazing also i wanted to ask it's probably a dumb question to ask but it brought back so many memories from back in the day to see that MTX amp but is there any way u can find those older amps on line the Rockford fosgate to i remember that's all the AMPS i would use back then the smallest one i had was 400w and a custom ported box im not shr about the tuning or cubic feet or anything but the box was like at least 80 to 100 pounds give or take and i had the only pair of TREO ENGINEERS no1 believed that i only had 400w running them i always had to show everyone that herd my system i always used Rockford fosgate Og WIRE and alot of my friends always fell for that FAKE MAX WATTS they really believed they were getting 3000w 4000w and i would tell them how is my system louder than yours if ur power was true power but they thought i had bigger amps hidden under my box wer my spear tire went but i just let it go at that point they were speechless wen i got a flat tire and i had to change it they all ran down to catch me with another AMP and i made them a deal if i didn't have another AMP they would have to change my tire and to there surprise no other AMP and just so there were no more 😭 about it i turned my system on and let them here it and they still couldn't believe it and all i could say is it's not always the number u see on the box it's the quality of the brand sometimes u might have to pay more but it is so WORTH IT wen u here ur system and after that I had them all asking me were to get them and we started a little BASS crew it was silly but it was only like 20 of us but it was so much fun back then im so glad it's all coming out again il always be a BASSHEAD FOR LIFE. OMG IM SO SORRY FOR RAMBLING ON IM NEW TO ALL THIS BUT im gonna have my son help me out with a UA-cam channel and im gonna start trying to do what i can so u can get the equipment u need to help us out here that want to kno more about everything u have to share sorry again for the nauseating in long video il b shr to make them shorter in the future thank you for taking the time out to make these videos (✌🏼💪🏼🔈💪🏼🔉💪🏼🔊)
I laughed at guys thinking you had hidden amps. They just didn't know any better. lol. For old amps you just have to keep an eye on ebay or classifieds pages. The link in the description to Williston Audio channel is a good place to see old amps and maybe paths to buy some.
I ran 2 Hollywood excursion 12’s. I only had them on a 50watt Memphis HC amp. I always got the same thing. And what was funny was that my 50 watt amp was bigger than their 1000 watt pyramid.
Frank Rivera the legends of car audio has older stuff.
worked at a pawn shop for quite a while and i would tell customers what the amps were about even if it was bad .. boss , audio bahn has some crap out there . crunch ect .. all crap !!!!!!!!!!!!
Can I just say that those are not MOSFET's. Those are regular BP transistors.
Thanks for your time and effort Ed and Edwin much respect from Toronto Canada
One fast way is to look at the fuses a good reference is every 30amps is around 300 watts
Just subbed to your channel. GREAT video BTW. My favorite amp that I owned was i believe an 03 to 06 year makeof the thunder elite Mtx audio amp. It was one of the higher end mtx audio amps.
I have to say that you are the MAN! I needed you back in the day lol.
I'm definitely diggin that switch board man. Is this your own patent?
Thanks man. It's our design on the switch plate, the relay box is what we have a patent on. We also do custom switch plates
@@SparkedEd ohh it's a "we" type deal gotcha lol. I just didn't know if it was something you had been working on alone. Like a side project that is getting going or something ya know? Right on. I have to uninstall my entire system from my f250. I like that switch board so much I think I'll need to buy 1 or 10 😂. No for real though in the future I'll take a couple. Thanks
Bought a deaf bonce 8000 watt rms amp. Brazilian board and not sure on electrical needed to supply it. How many amp hrs? Caps? 320 amp alt should be plenty of alternator? Also running 1000 rms of zapco on mids/ highs
Get as much electrical as you can afford. maybe 2 G31 AGM batts with 500-1000F caps minimum
Just bought a Salt4k, it's a damn beast of an amp!
Job well done.
Thank you
Love the gut shot,and I agree buddy
Great Job trying to keep the honest!
Go edd,love the doc coat
I need me one of those sparked innovation relay boxes! I needs me one of those for certain. Think I'll be placing an order soon. Thanks for the great video as usual. You got me sounding like I know a thing or two lol
Get it. Haha, You do know a thing or two, that's what spreading knowledge can do i hope
@@SparkedEd well we appreciate your knowledge. This is without question some of the most informative videos and car audio. Thank you
Thank you so much, I appreciate that
Well supposed to be
Love your videos Ed! Currently on a showtime SPL spree
When I got into car audio, amplifiers were over a dollar a watt. So they would inflate the rating, (not nearly as inflated as now) without the average consumer being able actually see what wattage they were actually getting.
great video on point been a long time since i seen a 81000d
Thanks. The 81000D still works too
You need to take power factor of the inductive load you are testing on in order for your clamp readings to mean anything.
Yes, good point and exactly right. It's why I stated in the video, Phase and frequency should be taken into account, meaning phase of current to voltage, and that I do not have the proper test equipment to show a true test. I was merely showing examples of what voltage and current is measured, which does have meaning since one amp shows close measurements to what is rated and the other is less than 20% of what is rated. I hoped that it made the point I was stating.
ShowtimeSPL I understand what your saying. You could have just used a large resistor or bank of them as to not have any power factor correction.
Great video.
That MTX brought back some memories. Boy I wish I never sold it.
Great informative video. New sub now! Loved the pet peeve stuff. More information please!
I can see thru their lies but even knowing an amps true rmsdoesnt protect you from getting a cheap noisy audio tachometer
I like your (lab) breakdown of the amps. 👍 subscribed
MTX did an amazing job on those old Thunder series wish I still had some.
Any kinds of basics you could do in video wood b helpful for the new people.
I use to have that mtx amp I believe. From like 1999-2001 ish I think that was made? Somewhere in that time frame? Let me know if I'm wrong please. I don't remember the exact model name.
Lol I spoke too soon 2002 thanks.
That is the year I owned it. So I assumed it was a year or two older than that.
Oh yeah, 2002. I used them with MTX RFLS, but switched in 2003 to the 1501Ds which was basically the same amp, updated look.
@@SparkedEd nice, yeah man my mtx history was unfortunately a crappy situation but interesting story lol. I won't get into it here but maybe I'll make a video about it soon. When I do I'll share the link here. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@bass-n-truth-inthestix9083 Thank you for commenting and watching.
Really enjoyed this, actually was informative!! And..
Your other videos.. until now.. I thought the 2 characters were 2 different people till now!!! Hahaaaa
Oh yeah, we are brothers
AB amps are cleaner,as far as sound quality,
Yeah but times are changing, Class D is getting clean
Good to know bro 👊,keep em coming
Great Video as always. I was honored to be mentioned on the Pet Peeves vids!
Keep up the great work :D
- Curtis
Of course, thank you my man
as always, awesome video, important considerations and advice for the novice user! thanks for the shout out !
Hey thanks a bunch man
VOLTRON!!!!!!! :D
I was about to buy a crunch GTR 3000 watt and 1 ohm stable.... I no it doesn’t go up to 3000 watts but what do you think it goes up to?
I think is had 4 30 or 35 amp fuses on the amp if that will help you figure it out thanks
If it's anything like this or other Crunch amps that have been tested on other channels, then it may not even do over 1000w
That amp puts out like 450
D class had a higher rail voltage right edd
Most do. Big Mono amps have stupid high rail voltage
This question is off subject . You said in a different video that you ran ground wire to the amps instead of rounding them to the chassis. I've done the same from the batteries I have in front of my backseat I have a ground wire that goes to the amps in the trunk 2 a distribution block. But I have the battery is grounded to the front seat bolts. and a ground wire that continues up to the battery in the front under the hood which is connected to the chassis wall next to that battery also ground wire goes to the motor block choose the alternator chassis and to the sidewall chassis next to the alternator
This is all ran with 2 ought welding cable for the positive and negative wires a two hundred amp alternator two group 31 Optima blue top batteries and another Duke cell 700 cold cranking amp 75 empower battery in the front. To run one Orion XTR 2500 DZ a older eclipse 200 by 4 Brewing nice silver amp I can't remember the exact model number and a Hertz 4-channel also it is I believe going about 70 watts per for channels with an audio control line driver Overdrive Plus sounds good works good it'll drop down to like 12. 1% just below Full Tilt it will stay in the 13s.
And 4 speakers I have for Rockville mids in the back deck with 2polk 1001 tweeters also on the back deck and front doors have Rockford Fosgate 6 and 1/2 inch punchmids two more Polk Audio tweeters n2mb quartz tweeters by the head visor the herts amp runs with tweeters the eclipse runs the mids and the Orion runs a sundown zv4 with Nightshade coils
Anyways the question was does that grounding set up sound right
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Thank you for your knowledge and your videos. I have been watching you channel for years.
I have a Peerless STW-350F-188PR01-04 15"
Power Handling (RMS) 3,500 Watts
Power Handling (max) 5,000 Watts Impedance 8+8 ohms
What amplifier would you recommend?
That's a subwoofer for home audio, you are gonna have bad time finding something that can do more than 2kw on 4ohms. Home amplifier on the other hand can do stupid amounts of power at 4 ohms (you would have to run voice coils in parallel).
Cekpi7 I think I’m going to get a Orion hcca 5000.1D splx.
@@K-Effect I can't find 4 ohm rating but i doubt it will do more than 1kw.
Cekpi7 @4ohms bridged it’s rated 2120 watts. I sure that will be fine for me and from what I’ve seen those Orion amps are underrated.
@@K-Effect Hm, i can only find ratings for 5000.1D (i'm not sure if it's same as splx) and it's rated at 1900W so i might be wrong.
It's more than enough for daily driver in my opinion but i usually like to run a bit more than rms power and dial gain down if needed. That way i would get clean signal even if i push my sub to max. 1 or 2 ohms is ideal for car sub, but if you are planning SQ setup that sub will be good in well designed enclosure and with good amplifier.
cheap amps? for me i look at the rca inputs and the knobs for adjustment. for me its a dead giveaway of crap
Nothing new here same ol story for last 30 yrs when it comes to amps... seen it in the 80s 90s 2000s...nothing new....its not cheap apps but cheap brands...I only use hifonics...cheap and put out
I’m running an old Sony xplod XM 4060 4 channel 4x60 on all my mids and highs . I can’t Complain I’ve had it in 4 vehicles and it just keeps rocking clean power .
I have an alpine 400 rms amp I got about 15 years ago and recently got back into car audio. The amp still works fine but I wanted a few things like a bass knob, non spade terminal connections and a smaller footprint. I went with a power acoustik rzr 2500 after seeing the budget gems or budget bust video. It came out to about 800 before clipping and for whatever reason it seems to sound a lot fuller. I’d like to be able to get a little louder but I’ve been happy and it pairs well with my ssa demon 12
Great vid!
Thank you, I hope to make more vids people like
I had a lanzar 3000 watt Max ...???? Rms that was not rated for one ohm literally tried to blow it would blow a 30 fuse put a 40 blew that put bare wires for a fuse... Didn't blow now it was close too 1200 watts for 70$ not bad
I've never seen that amp. but I did have some Lanzar subs back in the day. they were pretty good. i wonder if they have changed over the years.
like the 5000 watt kenford amp from the flea market for 49$😎
Love those things haha. Kenford and Rockwood
Wolfram is the king of budget amps!
I've seen a good video about that