MOST UNREASONABLE Match of 2022 ?

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  • @ThisIsBadminton
    @ThisIsBadminton  Рік тому +24

    What's your view on this matter? leave a comment below 👇🏻

    • @tzai
      @tzai Рік тому +19

      Better do a check on the umpire and the service line judge. Smells fishy

    • @leenpels7646
      @leenpels7646 Рік тому +13

      Service faults are rarely enforced properly, which enable players with bad illegal service form to continue their bad form, which hurts them much in the long run when playing a match with a service judge who strictly follow the rules.
      It's happened before, with much controversy, usually doubles and mix, that they were accustomed with lax enforcement... It's especially come after the 2018 BWF rule change with the universal 1.15 metres max height serve for all players.

    • @munggaranb
      @munggaranb Рік тому +2

      Especially during the awarding ceremony, both the winners for Men's Double are from Indonesia, it was all Indonesian finals for MD, the so-called minions and the rising fajar/rian, but during the awarding ceremony, when they were about to step up tot he podium, the announcer called them from Malaysia respectively a.k.a. twice, Really what happened with DO 2022? 😂

    • @newjourney9220
      @newjourney9220 Рік тому +17

      Why can't the players challenge service judge's decision just like the linesman? This is totally unfair especially when Asians are playing in Europe. Obviously bias decision.

    • @arkinsondanson8390
      @arkinsondanson8390 Рік тому +4

      3&4 service fault is acceptable,but 9 fault is fishy enough to tell the bias..

  • @dafterpunk2312
    @dafterpunk2312 Рік тому +389

    and then they played again at the French open the next week and Zheng and huang won 21-11, 21-12 😌

    • @namenotfound3613
      @namenotfound3613 Рік тому +54

      And no service errors hmmmm makes you think

    • @cz8105
      @cz8105 Рік тому +54

      and we didn't see Demark coach's apology

    • @someoneprice2371
      @someoneprice2371 Рік тому +1

      ez

    • @xiejohn6523
      @xiejohn6523 Рік тому +11

      that is they true level without the judge literally no match

    • @at-1x727
      @at-1x727 Рік тому

      @@cz8105 apparently he had to apologise to both bwf n the chinese coach himself

  • @trungmai2885
    @trungmai2885 Рік тому +323

    Yet Zheng could smile again and again, and won the match. True champion.

  • @Sks8maxident
    @Sks8maxident Рік тому +472

    I think Zheng and Huang handled it like a champ. Despite the many service faults, they still carried on, and can still smile and shake the hands of the players and officials. I think a lot of it comes down to the point of contact with the shuttle, after that, even if the racket follows through above the line, it is irrelevant because the service action has already been completed. Whether or not the service judges look at this, I'm not sure. But there has to be consistency across all service judges, or else issues like this will repeat itself.

    • @leenpels7646
      @leenpels7646 Рік тому +10

      It simply because the new service rule (since 2018) are rarely enforced properly.... Which they are in this case..... the lax enforcement of the rule has enabled bad and illegal service forms.

    • @mr.z6252
      @mr.z6252 Рік тому +10

      @@leenpels7646 Nahhhh the rule is fine, its 115 cm.... its the tool that lacks of Consistency, it also affect by how short or tall the Service Judge is (because of Viewing angle/POV)

    • @leenpels7646
      @leenpels7646 Рік тому +4

      @@mr.z6252 Actually, it's 115 cm, not 105 cm... Just saying.

    • @some.generic.username5254
      @some.generic.username5254 Рік тому +2

      ​@@mr.z6252 yeah good point, the judges eye level should also be in line with the equipment

    • @samkoh5079
      @samkoh5079 Рік тому +21

      The weird part is Denmark players are much taller than Zheng Huang and their service motion are almost the same but they never been called once. And if u noticed carefully after Zheng provoked the service judge in the middle of the game , the service judge keep calling Zheng and not Huang anymore. This tell me the call very subjective.

  • @joelzapanta9250
    @joelzapanta9250 Рік тому +206

    BWF should investigate period. The Danish coach is literally out of line. Totally disrespectful. You can always argue but never touch. Mind your manners. The service judge should be investigated separately. She clearly demonstrated lapse of judgement. Regardless of their ranking, given they are currently the best in the world, the number of service faults called is totally insane. Keep her out of officiating for the meantime while the investigation is going on. Bring the decency of badminton back please.

    • @purplemonkeydishwasher5269
      @purplemonkeydishwasher5269 Рік тому +20

      To be honest there should be VAR available for instant play back. Cameras and video software are so cheap these days there is almost no justification. With a bit of software you could do away with a serve judge altogether.

    • @AgentJ2007
      @AgentJ2007 Рік тому +16

      Agree, the line judge should be suspended pending investigation. Danish coach is out of line for pushing the Chinese coach. It’s a clear battery.

    • @kenken3000
      @kenken3000 Рік тому +10

      this match simply reflects how INFERIOR the badminton umpiring is in 21st century compared to other sports like tennis and football.

    • @lessonlearned9399
      @lessonlearned9399 Рік тому +12

      BWF is a disgrace compared to organization of other sports like Basketball, tennis, football...etc. That's why you keep getting these bad unqualified umpires.

    • @popocucu7749
      @popocucu7749 Рік тому +9

      She is obviously has some anti sentiments towards China. Hence why I dont believe in human when come to judging... We tend to set some prejudice..

  • @chongfooyit8821
    @chongfooyit8821 Рік тому +62

    I cant be sure whether these fault is correct but I feel impossible for 3 times World Champion cannot adjust their serve after fault few time in a game. and I really respect the Chinese pair attitude in this game. they are the true champion. The worst is the Denmark coach. Nobody is questioning him or his players but he behave rude to the Chinese coach. Shame on that.

    • @NguyenMinhKhang-fz4rr
      @NguyenMinhKhang-fz4rr 4 місяці тому +1

      It's like muscle memory. It's hard to adjust what has been practiced thousands of times. In my own opinion, the service judge may have falsely faulted them.

  • @catlover7
    @catlover7 Рік тому +51

    Put the arguments of service faults aside, what the Danish coach did was clearly wrong. I don't know if there are any regulations about this, but there should be some kind of punishment for him.

    • @honlily1
      @honlily1 5 місяців тому

      He should be sacked

    • @freemanol
      @freemanol 5 місяців тому

      Danish players and coaches often have no manner

    • @jesmarina
      @jesmarina 3 місяці тому

      @@freemanol Ha - that's REALLY funny.

    • @jesmarina
      @jesmarina 3 місяці тому

      Well, then the Chinese should also be "punished" right?
      A coach CANNOT talk to the referee under ANY circumstances.
      I don't condone the "push", but fair is fair.

  • @aniketverma5191
    @aniketverma5191 Рік тому +133

    I haven't watched the match but this Chinese pair is literally the best mixed doubles pair of last so many years they can do 2,3 or maybe 4 service fault but 10+? They aren't amateurs it's impossible to imagine this

    • @t0miik
      @t0miik Рік тому +2

      I've tried to measure the height of some the serves by comparing the height of the point where there was a contact with the shuttle with the assumed height of both the chinese players (so the precision is debatable, I'm aware of that) from what I was able to find, those were quite close calls. I wonder what margin for error pro's leave - if they rather go for 110cm to be sure, or abuse the limit to the max as to the point where 114cm is considered too loose of a serve.

  • @FrederickFongTW
    @FrederickFongTW Рік тому +38

    Credit to the China Players. They took it so well and behaved professionally. Although amused. I never saw them had a disgruntled face. Or at least what I was allowed to see during the live stream.
    The danish Coach shoving the Chinese coach was uncalled for. That’s a shame.

  • @inu7686
    @inu7686 Рік тому +31

    The service height faults need to be challenge-able. The service judges need to be held to the same accountability as line judges.

  • @Badboy-jx7er
    @Badboy-jx7er Рік тому +145

    Just love how Zheng and Huang for being so calm and patient despite all of this! Just hope European coaches and players learn atleast some of this and maintain dignity of the sport.

    • @freemanol
      @freemanol 5 місяців тому

      Nah europeans don't consider that a positive. When they think they're right they'd cause a scene

  • @HopwithLong
    @HopwithLong Рік тому +62

    No matter what they were facing, the control of consciousness and concentration in the game told us that they were a world-class.

  • @madhuchandarsundaravel7021
    @madhuchandarsundaravel7021 Рік тому +71

    Badminton is a non-contact sport. This disgraceful Denmark coach is working real hard to change that.

  • @rb-ex
    @rb-ex Рік тому +118

    i watched this match live/streaming and had questions about these calls as well. the danish pair are obviously fantastic athletes, and zheng/huang are one of the most dominating XD pairs we've seen in a long time. they are consistently extremely well-prepared and they play with extraordinary skill, precision, and professionalism. they are very hard to beat, and i love watching zheng's awesome speed, power, and precision and huang's extra-sensory read of the shuttle and acute tactical awareness
    as far as these service faults called against them, let's talk about facts not feelings. first, the rule. not the rule some people may have in their head, but the actual rule that is applied by the service judge. the rule does NOT provide that as long as you strike the shuttle below 1.15m you are ok. please understand that is not the rule. nor is the height you are holding the shuttle before you strike it relevant. you can hold the shuttle over your head before you strike it, and it can be legal, or you can hold it next to the floor and serve it illegally high. rule 9.1.6 states that the WHOLE shuttle must be BELOW 1.15m at the moment of CONTACT. the flare on the shuttle has a diameter of 6cm, so if you are holding the shuttle perfectly level, your striking point has to be below 1.12m (1.15m minus the radius of the shuttle). for my style of service, i need to aim for striking the shuttle around 1.10m to have a legal serve. also, players often move the shuttle forward and up just before contact, which is not illegal, but makes judging very difficult in some cases
    the service judge charged with enforcing this rule is staring through two clear panels with black lines and has to call a fault if at the moment of impact any portion of the shuttle is not BELOW the line she is looking at
    no one here was looking through what she was looking through, but a lot of people have opinions about what she should have seen based on various things in their head, like how consistently zheng/huang usually serve. the service judge isnt concerned with what zheng/huang usually do nor should she care that they might be the greatest mixed doubles pair of the decade. she's just looking at the shuttle and that black line. it's a humble job, and there's no reason to believe she wasnt trying to do it right
    there is a problem here though, which is that a lot of people, including myself, saw those serves are normal and yet they're getting faulted repeatedly with no opportunity for review. no-review is bad for everyone, including the service judge, who has no way to vindicate her calls. bad for everyone, because this was an unusual string of faults against one team, and no one has a good way of confirming these calls as correct or calling them into question. instead, a lot of people have opinions, which is bad, because opinions suck
    instead of blaming the service judge, it's much better to understand the problem and see the solution is not imagining things about her motives, but providing review for all service and net calls in every superseries match, which are as much a problem as service calls. and for that, you need high speed camera setups so these calls can be challenged and ruled on based on a visual review. if i have it right, that's one cam at the net and two cams looking at serves, plus a little rulemaking on how to handle service faults (line judge would have to call service fault at end of play instead stopping play with call of fault-- a little tricky but it can be worked out)
    if bwf would put more effort into these kinds of nuts& bolts instead of having fire shoot out of the ground when the athletes walk out-- like we're all 8 years old-- the sport would be improved with a higher level of confidence that results are based on performance and not on the way officials are handling the match

    • @legacy22822
      @legacy22822 Рік тому +8

      I think this response is by way one of the most unbiased response here. I think it all faults down to BWF not having any form of review mechanism which allow such minor abuse (if I may call it) to be possible. I fail to understand the need for a tournament referee when on most (or all) occasions, the tournament referee does absolutely nothing to vindicate the unjust calls.
      While we fall back to this match, it is absolutely shame to see how the system may be abused to its maximum. As a player, it will definitely affect the game knowing that even if I win a point, I would lose one back the next second when I serve. That certainly affects the confidence and play of the players.
      Next, it is an absolute shame on the Denmark coach. He by all person should be the last to be involved. The Chinese coach had merely aired his complain to the umpire verbally. There is no need for any physical contact. Despite this, as far as I know, nothing was done by BWF against the coach - not even a statement or verbal warning. What kind of image is BWF portraying?
      It is such a satisfaction to see how the Denmark players were beaten in the French Open with absolutely no blatant abuse of system there. Absolutely shame on Denmark players (except Axelsen) for needing to resort to such advantage.

    • @rb-ex
      @rb-ex Рік тому +12

      @@legacy22822 agree with most of what you've said here, including bad behavior of the danish coach, which was totally unacceptable. but i dont agree with blaming any of the athletes. it serves no good purpose to imagine the danish players played less honorably than zheng& huang. blaming the danish players is not a lot different, mentally, than what the danish coach did, which was to imagine grievances and then blame someone for his own imagination. that's mental and it's always a choice to go with the mental that tells you to focus on ego and hurt feelings instead of what you know is right. so dont do what the danish coach did. be objective to the ego-beliefs and offense-feelings-- they're not your friends

    • @akp4972
      @akp4972 Рік тому

      The coach tho

    • @JohnLee-gt3sr
      @JohnLee-gt3sr Рік тому +11

      Interesting comments and I do agree with some of them. However:
      1. I quote you, "... and there's no reason to believe she (service judge) wasn't trying to do it right... instead, a lot of people have opinions, which is bad, because opinions suck..." Your comment on the service judge IS your opinion because there very well may be reasons which which are not evident... yet. I don't think your opinion sucks. It's just an opinion based on your judgement that there is no reason.
      2. There are a few circumstantial considerations (not evidences as yet) which provoke the "opinions". The Chinese pair never had so many service faults in a single match before. They went on to play the same Danish pair a week later in the French Open and without service faults, beat them handsomely. Though not impossible, it's rather challenging to make sudden changes/adjustments to their services within a week. (But what about all their past matches where they have have been serving the same way.) The Chinese pair were playing a Danish pair on Danish soil.
      3. The service judge is "blamed" because she was the one doing the "faulting" and taking away the points. But the real issue is the possibility of biasness. Or perhaps it's an issue of insufficient experience? Investigations should be done objectively.
      4. The unusual number of service faults in this match creates many doubts. Was it the equipment? Was it biasness? Was it incompetence? Or was it just the players? But something just does not smell right. However, I do agree with you that cameras and cams etc may probably take care of these service fault issues. Remove the subjectivity and dependence on the nose.
      Btw, I'm not a Chinese fan. More a fan of the Indonesian team. I just don't have a blocked nose.

    • @gabrielo4749
      @gabrielo4749 Рік тому

      Well said

  • @madhuchandarsundaravel7021
    @madhuchandarsundaravel7021 Рік тому +139

    I fully watched this match Live. The taller Danes didn't get faulted even once. This Chinese pair is no.1 in mixed doubles. Are they not capable of lowering the height of the serve after they are faulted 2-3 times? It all looks suspicious as the Denmark coach comes and shoves the Chinese coach for no reason. I mean the Chinese coach was only contending with the main judge and not with Denmark players for their coach to intervene let alone push somebody.
    What looks more suspicious is that the serve of Zheng Siwei at 2:30 was not faulted, but Mikkel complains all the same to the service judge as to why it's not a fault. I mean opponents don't do that. Sometimes they do, but only when they get a high serve or a fast flat serve to the back line and never to a low and slow serve to the front line. Did he have an agreement with the service judge? Is that why he's asking her? I'm not trying to accuse them, but the whole match reeks of such unsporting behavior from Danish players, their coach and the service judge.
    What great spirit and sportsmanship shown by the Chinese players. Zheng Siwei and Huang Yaqiong were smiling for most part of the match; they were calm and collected. Zheng chose to shake hands with the service judge at the end (most don't after Covid) and that's the best gesture there is.

    • @amarreezlan7131
      @amarreezlan7131 Рік тому +3

      was number 1, currently is the Thailand pair

    • @madhuchandarsundaravel7021
      @madhuchandarsundaravel7021 Рік тому +13

      @@amarreezlan7131 I haven't said that they are ranked no.1 my friend; I have just said that they are no.1. The Thailand pair is ranked no.1 only because Chinese players weren't participating in any tournaments for over a year due to Covid. Otherwise Zheng/Huang would still be ranked no.1. The Chinese pair have a better chance at winning than the Thailand pair if they played against each other. The Thailand pair have played 38 matches this year and have lost 9 of them whereas the Chinese pair have played 57 matches in 2022 and have lost only 4. I strongly believe the Chinese pair is the real world no.1.

    • @amarreezlan7131
      @amarreezlan7131 Рік тому +4

      @@madhuchandarsundaravel7021 you’re not saying they’re ranked number 1 but you’re saying they’re number 1.
      …got it.

    • @madhuchandarsundaravel7021
      @madhuchandarsundaravel7021 Рік тому +2

      @@amarreezlan7131 Yes friend

    • @MCY112
      @MCY112 Рік тому +9

      @@amarreezlan7131 What he likely is referring to when saying number 1 is skill level and their ability, whereas the ranking system bwf uses is based on points gathered from playing in tournaments, which is not a 100% accurate representation of skill.

  • @observers2924
    @observers2924 Рік тому +8

    Danish coach was so disrespectful. If you can’t argue, at least don’t do physical aggressiveness. Much respect for the sportsmanship of the Chinese players🙏

  • @vint1475
    @vint1475 Рік тому +29

    Thanks for shedding light to this game and not posting misleading thumbnails (I'm calling out another badminton channel which is a little misleading). I'm not a huge fan of both pairs but I do believe in the sports rules and this is all clearly wrong. But the last point from the danes - lol poetic justice. I really do hope there's a proper investigation into this fiasco.

  • @jitumonisarmah3863
    @jitumonisarmah3863 7 місяців тому +3

    I am crying man,What a calm,innocent,humble this Chinese player,Now The Whole World is happy for chinese player,love from india❣️

  • @leonorapiliotas3870
    @leonorapiliotas3870 Рік тому +38

    I like them more now. A great show of sportsmanship and a never give up and stay focused attitude. They just show the world how really great they are. Anyway, how many titles they won this year?

  • @33amaddo
    @33amaddo Рік тому +23

    It's ironic that the Danish pair lost on a service error. Mind u they probably felt uncomfortable about the whole situation too. Something seems really odd here

  • @21Points
    @21Points Рік тому +78

    3:20 Gill Clark: "UNBELIEVABLE, Stop stealing my line Zheng Siwei". Hahaha. What an end to a match. The Danish made an error serve.

  • @sandeepmohandas7175
    @sandeepmohandas7175 Рік тому +21

    All this do was let us know how much more of a true champ zheng and huang is. Every team should learn from them.

  • @muhammadiqbalbusra4927
    @muhammadiqbalbusra4927 Рік тому +52

    Zheng is absolutely a champion. How often He gets "hacked", but He can handle it. It is a shame for Denmark Open Official. Too many intentional mistakes.

  • @iceberg3130
    @iceberg3130 Рік тому +15

    Shame on you, Denmark team!!!!!

  • @dimasridhoart9700
    @dimasridhoart9700 Рік тому +19

    What we have to learn from zheng and Huang is about patience,being sportif, humble, respectful and hard-working. Those things that make them true world Champion💪

    • @rameshkumarpenmetsa
      @rameshkumarpenmetsa 8 місяців тому +1

      When you do not protest, it becomes a norm in the game when something is unfair, you have to show protest so that it will not be repeated next time. Just like Carolina Marin antics on the court.

  • @bigj8530
    @bigj8530 Рік тому +8

    I can’t believe it. Sara Shahhosseini should be re-trained to fully understand how to be a badminton umpire. Unfair destroy sweat, athlete is focus not unfair umpire. And Denmark coach, can he control his hand?😅

  • @fpxxxx5131
    @fpxxxx5131 Рік тому +6

    I want to know whether the BWF responds to the Chinese badminton association. And is there any investigation or penalty on the service judge? We don`t want this ugly scene to happen again.

  • @Livinginthedream898
    @Livinginthedream898 Рік тому +7

    Absolutely brilliant & a sweet revenge that team 🇨🇳 shut down team 🇩🇰 at the end!

  • @kennethwong8790
    @kennethwong8790 Рік тому +13

    well done Zheng and Huang 👍🏼 shame on the Danish Coach ! He should be kicked out of the coach team ! an absolutely misconduct here , not to mention that his team hardly win any matches 😂

  • @lcc28963
    @lcc28963 Рік тому +6

    They say "Don't hate the players, hate the game"
    But if umpires are on your side, losing really stings.

  • @vivatan13
    @vivatan13 7 місяців тому +2

    Full of superiority complex from the judge ? Excellent sportsmanship from Z/H .

  • @vidurangavlogs
    @vidurangavlogs Рік тому +4

    This is a good example that real heroes never can stop by cheap things. Other thing is their no any reason to be angry danish coach. An injustice happened to the Chinese players. I have been watching matches for a long time. I didn't see any service error from Chinese players. This was a Plan

  • @wadi86
    @wadi86 Рік тому +26

    The danish coach was rude as hell.

    • @jessielaw3462
      @jessielaw3462 Рік тому +1

      He should have red card so rude he cannot push his hand to Chinese coach what right he got ,lose means lose no sport spirit so u must train them to b top shame shame

    • @unggulsujati5626
      @unggulsujati5626 Рік тому

      Jonathan is not badminton coach, he is WWF coach😋

  • @JamesLee-sz3sy
    @JamesLee-sz3sy Рік тому +26

    Anyone who has ever played badminton competitively will know that service is like a fixed motion. Altering last minute or trying to change the position of a service will most likely create a disadvantage. Its hard to agree that 10+ service faults are done by top ranking mixed doubles team.

    • @monkeyseemonkeydo1794
      @monkeyseemonkeydo1794 Рік тому +2

      Service calls aren’t enforced properly and players have habit of illegal service all the time. What you have is players that are used to getting away with illegal serves suddenly have to deal with a judge who is strict on the rules.

    • @monkeyseemonkeydo1794
      @monkeyseemonkeydo1794 Рік тому +2

      And if you look on the replay her service were indeed faults

    • @giawou6615
      @giawou6615 Рік тому

      @@monkeyseemonkeydo1794 Hello monkey talk is stupid at best lolllllllllll

    • @ans-dq9xh
      @ans-dq9xh Рік тому +1

      @@monkeyseemonkeydo1794 most were too close to be called foul on a replay . i counted 3 service slightly over the line . the problem here is the lack of jugement . you cant call a foul on anything if ur not sure ...

  • @ongkimchoon7383
    @ongkimchoon7383 Рік тому +6

    Thank you for the video. Have an opaque cardboard tape above the black line on the Perspex sheet. If you do not see clearly the whole of the shuttle below this line, it is too high. The current all clear view above/below the black line makes it difficult to make split second decision was the shuttle three Quaters below the line or 14th/16 of an inch below the line? At our club when we did this (the opaque sheet), many were faulted, and they also could not believe it.

  • @_aabab
    @_aabab Рік тому +5

    despite all the drama during the match, zheng handle it like true champion👍

    • @V_for_Vendetta_
      @V_for_Vendetta_ 8 місяців тому

      Not "like" a true Champ.
      Zheng/Huang handled it as Champs hehe
      They are literally the best XD pairs over the last 5ish years now.
      On a side note,
      That Danish coach was lucky he didn't get punched.
      He literally pushed the Chinese coach,
      If it was done to a different person with a bad temper, I'm sure that Danish coach would have gotten a beating
      LOL

  • @gianigd
    @gianigd Рік тому +34

    never thought denmark would slip down to this low... lol

    • @munkitfoong6528
      @munkitfoong6528 Рік тому +5

      They tried very hard to show to world they are sporting by putting on fake faces in all their matches. I will never buy it.

    • @AgentJ2007
      @AgentJ2007 Рік тому +3

      @@munkitfoong6528 i think we need to isolate and not generalize here. It’s this 1 particular Denmark 🇩🇰 coach. The Chinese have their own assholes as well. Let’s be fair and objective here.

    • @nureenafinaizyani204
      @nureenafinaizyani204 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@AgentJ2007to be honest..i have already seen several player of danes behavior like this..i don't know but i think the player need to low their arrogant ..even how good u are.. including the coaches .. what actually they think... I don't know but others European are quiet ok execpt the danes..sorry to state this..from international challenge up to world tour.. sorry to say..but they totally have no manners except when they become superstar..i can say they are matured enough to control their emotion..i guess that's the difference between the culture.. Chinese people and some asian people usually just smile like what ya qiong n siwei do cause u know why .they understand what happened..i don't know how to describe..but asian people are so much alert about the hatred ..n maybe they think..ah nevermind..just smile..we already know your tactical.. it's ok...n of course they know they are much better .sorry to say..

    • @AgentJ2007
      @AgentJ2007 7 місяців тому

      @@nureenafinaizyani204 you might wanna check some videos. Lin Dan is younger days, threw his racket and went after opposing coaches. CTC is another example, he gave the middle finger 🖕 and he was visibly upset at the loss to Ginting due to umpire error. Yu yang starting throwing a tantrum at the end of 1st set.

  • @MsIsak90
    @MsIsak90 8 місяців тому +3

    I love how Zheng and Huang handle the situation...true champion..

  • @iwanjie
    @iwanjie Рік тому +12

    I think this is the second time this happened? The last was also Denmark open i believe, between two WD players

    • @Lasse-zj6ps
      @Lasse-zj6ps Рік тому +2

      Yes and it was a danish womens double being faulted.

    • @cz8105
      @cz8105 Рік тому +4

      yes, and they were banned for three months by their team.

    • @dorian_tihi5869
      @dorian_tihi5869 Рік тому +1

      yes, last time it also happened at the denmark open

    • @asdfasyakitori8514
      @asdfasyakitori8514 8 місяців тому

      @@dorian_tihi5869 No it happened in Danish Championship

  • @makata_pro1698
    @makata_pro1698 Рік тому +21

    I hope you will update us the lastest progress and the bottomline in this matter. It is really interesting to know what happen next. Thanks for this video

    • @leonglh8456
      @leonglh8456 Рік тому +4

      The BWF DID NOT do anything, shame on Denmark and BWF and the service judge 👎 so unprofessional

    • @starnight1209
      @starnight1209 Рік тому +1

      The judge is not alive anymore.

  • @shakeelmohammed3894
    @shakeelmohammed3894 Рік тому +6

    Unacceptable behaviour of Danish coach. I have never seen a very bad umpires like this. It’s good that ultimately Chinese team won the match

    • @peterhammer6915
      @peterhammer6915 6 місяців тому

      bad umpires? How do you know? Did you watch the match at 1,15 m height?

  • @JoshAwang
    @JoshAwang 7 місяців тому +4

    The Danish coach should have received stern warning and reprimand. The service line judge's calls are definitely questionable. Maybe there was some kind of fixing because it's always possible in the world of sports. But kudos really to the Chinese pair for remaining calm and composed. It's very very hard, but when you're trained in China, you learn to be a "nobody" and therefore offences are hardly taken too personally especially when it's coming from persons of authority.

  • @brianhua336
    @brianhua336 Рік тому +12

    The games tell a lot what services judge intentions. Zheng & Huang HEARTH of Champions !!!

  • @peterh1875
    @peterh1875 Рік тому +3

    Saw much the same happening to a couple of Danish ladies a while back. They didn't just smile, they were pissed off and argued. Then they got a ban for their troubles. Not funny at all when you're at the receiving end of something like this. All it takes is one one-eyed line judge, or service judge with a bee under their bonnet.

  • @anhtan-gj4yh
    @anhtan-gj4yh Рік тому +3

    Hats off to the Chinese pair for their behavior. Truly deserves to be champion.

  • @breathbadminton
    @breathbadminton Рік тому +11

    Gill sounded ashamed of her continent tbh. Anyway, all is well that ends well. They lost on a service error at the end ;) Karma!
    I love how the Chinese maintained their standard.

  • @adityapatra9183
    @adityapatra9183 Рік тому +36

    ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!! And what the hell was that bald head coach thinking shoving off the Chinese coach like that????? They ruined the goodwill that Axelsen has built towards Danish badminton.
    The service judge - Man... I think she was on hard drugs before coming to this match. BWF should come up with some technology to judge service faults rather than depending on human judges who ruin games like these.

    • @FrederickFongTW
      @FrederickFongTW Рік тому +1

      “Hard on drugs” 😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Lasse-zj6ps
      @Lasse-zj6ps Рік тому +1

      Do you even know how she judges the height? She has an instrument for it. Its not just a guess

    • @GhostTSL
      @GhostTSL Рік тому

      Well, the chinese coach can't complain, so he just got told to sit down and let the judges do their job

  • @user-of1vz8lm1v
    @user-of1vz8lm1v Рік тому +20

    2:31
    fun fact : danish pair wants to give fault to chinese pair.

  • @davidwubo
    @davidwubo Рік тому +3

    Service judge is ridiculous, she just moved in Denmark from Span since 2021. She is Iran.now she lived in Denmark. She should be fired and never do this job, sooo selfish personality.

  • @prasetyonugroho2437
    @prasetyonugroho2437 6 місяців тому +1

    Zheng/Huang is a real Champion. No matter what the conditions, they still win. Hat off 🙌🏻

  • @ChyeHeng17
    @ChyeHeng17 Рік тому +10

    The Dane coach should have been suspended for being rude and pushed the China coach.
    Look how he would have responded had his players being faulted again and again.
    What a disgrace and gave a bad name to Denmark.

  • @rationalthinker2200
    @rationalthinker2200 Рік тому +2

    The Chinese players showed tremendous goodwill and composure ,smiling and not throw any tantrums....the Danish coach should have a dicipline hearing for possible suspension by the world badminton governing body for inappropriate physical contact..and the decisions of the service judge review by a panel of badminton experts to determined her fitness to continue as a referee..

  • @panonthamchaisopit6715
    @panonthamchaisopit6715 Рік тому +18

    Real shame! If I were the Den players I would never be proud.

  • @jef_2121
    @jef_2121 8 місяців тому +2

    Zheng managed his emotion well. No wonder they are on #1. On his services, some of them are definitely high

  • @marcuskruse18
    @marcuskruse18 Рік тому +3

    Danish coach should not push the chinese coach, but I think the chinese coach should consentrate on coaching instead of trying to affect the umpire.
    It is clear that we have a big problem when it comes to the serves. Many complains about the umpire being mistaken. Maybe, just maybe we should be happy to finaly see an umpire have the courage to do the tough decisions against a pair like Zheng/Huang. The only one who knows if the serve is too high is the servicejudge.

  • @user-om1ze4mi7u
    @user-om1ze4mi7u Рік тому +3

    Why doesn’t the BWF add another camera to check whether the player’s serve is above 115 cm or not. Give players a chance to call a challenge for their serve faults.

  • @cayotelives
    @cayotelives Рік тому +3

    Respect for the Chinese .they kept cool. Learnt something today

  • @thomaschannel9762
    @thomaschannel9762 Рік тому +12

    I think what’s worse than the home team favoritism is the bullying antics of the Danish coach. Regardless of the reason, you shouldn’t be pushing the opponents players or coach. I think the Danish coach should be penalized to set an example, but sadly but the BWF president is a Danish so nothing will happen.

  • @xiejohn6523
    @xiejohn6523 Рік тому +4

    I say it once more " Denmark open with no Danes in the final across men singles doubles women singles doubles and mix" you can dirt around with the judge but when they are better that you no matter how dirty you play they still win. Yes i am talking about the instant face clap these two Danes got in the French open

  • @jeyan65
    @jeyan65 Рік тому +3

    This seems to be a danish thing . They seem very strict with service rules . There was another all danish women’s double where one party had so many service faults against them that they had to change the service judge . But the service faults kept coming . The service judge even pointed out why . Maybe there is some calibration or interpretation issue

  • @vinyph9753
    @vinyph9753 Рік тому +30

    Just imagine the news it would create if it was the Chinese coach who shoved the Danish coach.

  • @Mushheadbb
    @Mushheadbb Рік тому +2

    The service judge is ridiculous!!bwf needs to apologise. Also, the Denmark coach.

  • @some.generic.username5254
    @some.generic.username5254 Рік тому +2

    watch the latest episode of the badminton experience podcast, where they said that the service rule is never enforced properly. Like if you are serving a little above 115 cm then the judges let it pass (even when it's clearly a fault) . Now some judges might not know about this leniency and might be strict, like it has has to be strictly below 115 . Now since players are accustomed to serve a bit above 115cm , the proper rule enforcer judge will call out most of their serves as they are illegal

  • @richardling7088
    @richardling7088 Рік тому +3

    HATED the Denmark tournament, not sure what they (officials) were trying to prove but the constant service faults really disrupted the flow of the game for spectators. 1 out of 10 for Denmark Open

  • @garywallace8521
    @garywallace8521 Рік тому +2

    Great respect to both sets of players for this difficult match, when seen live a few times serves were made high up the body obviously over 1.15m and we’re correctly called, however, when corrected by the players a fault was still called. Could be a case of the service judge trying to find fault. Difficult to judge the height if yours particularly tall player.

  • @sumedhsukhdeve9117
    @sumedhsukhdeve9117 7 місяців тому +1

    Wtf he just pushed the fellow coach, decency at its peak!

  • @pgknighton
    @pgknighton Рік тому +27

    Disgusting behaviour by the Danish team. Quite right they apologised.

  • @pishedbloke
    @pishedbloke 8 місяців тому +1

    Kudos to the Chinese pair. Their mental strength kept them calm enough to win. What the Danish coach did was totally uncalled for and very unprofessional. He should have kept out of it and let the judges and referees do their job.

  • @yogapradiptam
    @yogapradiptam Рік тому +7

    backfired hahah

  • @austen98
    @austen98 Рік тому +9

    Having seven service faults in 3 games is not that many considering some situations before this, especially in this new era of service height enforcement. The most controversial part of the match was the interaction between the 2 coaches during the changeover.

  • @jackieking1522
    @jackieking1522 Рік тому +4

    We just play social badminton so the results are not important and we have learnt to live with just about any sort of service. The official rules are so hard to interpret, we have just given up.

  • @strikefreedomzgmfx20a
    @strikefreedomzgmfx20a Рік тому +8

    You know what's funny about those faults? Huang Ya Qiong's height is 1.65 meters and she only needs to lower her serve by .50 centimeters. Service ump must be drunk!

  • @halfdanmonie
    @halfdanmonie Рік тому +2

    Well when you look at the replays of the Servs they do raise their rackets a bit of from where they started

  • @legendarychinaman3965
    @legendarychinaman3965 Рік тому +3

    Basically nine points given for free. Wth out these nine points, it would have been finished in two games. SMH

  • @ambhat3953
    @ambhat3953 Рік тому +7

    Denmark players are known for lack of sportsmanship (exception is Viktor), no surprise their coach behaves that way.

  • @rahulnaik1830
    @rahulnaik1830 Рік тому +2

    Worst referee ever 😅, innocent Chinese players taught Denmark a good lesson by winning the match

  • @FL-gg4dq
    @FL-gg4dq Рік тому +1

    I am a dentist and a professional
    As a dentist. 1 mistake is a mistake
    A series is called negligence. This sport is a joke because of the negligence and incompetence of the umpires

  • @cubewerkz8990
    @cubewerkz8990 Рік тому +3

    Can we have Hawkeye for service? I felt there is inconsistencies and human error of judgement for service judge.

  • @Sidoesart
    @Sidoesart Рік тому +2

    It was the Danish open and a Danish pair playing world No.1's....they have to try and win somehow I guess. Say no more...

  • @benng138
    @benng138 Рік тому +2

    Everything was still in control but then the Danish coach had to step out of line with that disrepectful push 🙄
    It got that same energy as the slap of Will Smith 😂

  • @Worldwrangler
    @Worldwrangler Рік тому +6

    When the world no.1 mixed doubles encounters the "no.1" service judge

  • @yeesenchai
    @yeesenchai Рік тому +2

    The shove from the Danish coach was uncalled for, if the Chinese coach wants to argue with the umpire there is no reason for the Danish coach to interfere. His team is winning, just lay low and enjoy the show, why push the Chinese coach?

  • @orizamusic
    @orizamusic Рік тому +30

    It doesn't make sense for a 3 time world champion to make a service error up to 9 times

    • @1Flyingfist
      @1Flyingfist Рік тому +7

      A lot of pros start at the correct height and then lift their arms at tge last second. Most of the time, they get away with it. 🤔
      It's harder to judge now, because of the service rule height change. Now only the service judge can see.
      Maybe they need to use lasers and AI to decide. 🤔

    • @FrederickFongTW
      @FrederickFongTW Рік тому +1

      Maybe the service judge was short so parallel error 🤣🤣🤣🤣
      Kidding

  • @jasonchristian1118
    @jasonchristian1118 Рік тому +2

    1. The service judge need an eye exam
    2. I dont understand why Danish coach push Chinese coach. I mean the Chinese team have rights to complain to the Umpire. Why Danish coach being salty by pushing him (?)

  • @user-hj7li1iz7q
    @user-hj7li1iz7q 5 місяців тому +1

    The service judge was on the Denmark side 😢 so bad but we still won 😊 the truth we always be revealed at the end.

  • @kevinsyz1201
    @kevinsyz1201 13 днів тому

    crazy how they even talked to that female ref after the match with kindness, i could never...

  • @mj9765
    @mj9765 Рік тому +1

    4:06 Denmark coach has no business shoving the Chinese coach. The Chinese coach was arguing with the referee.
    If a Chinese coach had shoved a European or white man in China, all hell would have broken loose!

  • @aboss7243
    @aboss7243 Рік тому +8

    they're trying so hard to get one win over the chinese pair, they even got umpires involved and still lose it. shaolin soccer plot anybody?

  • @cz8105
    @cz8105 Рік тому +2

    Shame on the umpire. Big shame on Demark coach, what a crowd.

  • @nasrulsaifuddin4768
    @nasrulsaifuddin4768 9 місяців тому +1

    The cruel irony was how the final point was scored...straight into the net after all of those faults.

  • @hafiezmohd2905
    @hafiezmohd2905 7 місяців тому +1

    I think they have taken the umpire from the game of cricket 🤣🤣🤣

  • @michroz
    @michroz Рік тому +1

    Since they wisely introduced the service control devices, it would be a great idea to add VAR cameras to these devices! Not a hard thing to do at all! And the service calls could be challenged.

  • @IraserH
    @IraserH 8 місяців тому +6

    I’ve seen this attitude problem in all the Danish players and coaches.

  • @warkos3591
    @warkos3591 Рік тому +5

    This match was such bullshit, I am glad the chinese pair won in the end. And thumbs down for the Danes coach.

  • @jairaj05
    @jairaj05 8 місяців тому +1

    I think it's high time BWF also allows video reviews for service faults and net faults and double hits. Because the umpires and service judges are clearly not doing the most amazing job at times. And as for people supporting this unchecked power of the umpires and service judges and saying there's so much pressure on them and they have to make quick calls, this would actually help in reducing their stress and to help them make the right calls. Ps. In my opinion the most useless job is that of the referee. Not in one instance I have seen a referee do the right thing if the umpire/service judge has made the wrong call.

    • @badmintonenthusiast-rb2wu
      @badmintonenthusiast-rb2wu 5 місяців тому

      they are probably testing it already. Try searching for "Automated Service Height Fault Detection Using Computer Vision and Machine Learning for Badminton Matches" and read it for yourself.

  • @daniellige5311
    @daniellige5311 5 місяців тому +1

    Get that service judge out of here wtf lol. How do such corrupt and incompotent get a job of this type. I wouldn't have shook her hands

  • @hiteshshobhawat1292
    @hiteshshobhawat1292 5 місяців тому

    what a service judge🤣🤣

  • @RhristianoConaldo
    @RhristianoConaldo 8 місяців тому +1

    I think review for the decisions made by the service judge should be implemented because no one is there to validate their decisions. Maybe a camera or something can work.

  • @gianigd
    @gianigd Рік тому +5

    denmark is so bad, even 9 extra point couldnt help. good luck with match fixing for denmark...LOL

  • @erikandreasbonde551
    @erikandreasbonde551 8 місяців тому +1

    A foult is a foult....but there are always problems about the serve situation.