Is MOZA Killing Fanatec? Is the R9 That Good?
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I have had the R9 for over a year now and it has been brilliant; base has solid force feedback and frequent driver updates. The quick release is light years ahead of Fanatec and so is the customer service.
Great review! Love hearing about good value items like this. I wonder if that lighting is adjustable. Thanks for the video, N00b!
Still think Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm bundle is a much better value overall... yes, one less Nm... fine... but I bought the bundle plus the McLaren GT 3 replica wheel of Fanatec which is crazy VFM at only 200$ for a total of 730$ plus shipping... Moza along with the shipping would go over 1000 where I am while Fanatec ended up at 770$
So overall I don't think 1Nm of torque is worth 250$... no way...
You either go for the Asetek 12Nm or Moza 12Nm and spend around 1500$ overall or if you go for entry level it's Fanatec of nothing...
Just my opinion... and about the whole Fanatec quick release whining, I use the plastic one on my CSL DD and It's just fine... yes, it takes 2 more seconds than the Moza one... what a nightmare... people complain about the most pointless things most of the time...
That's some really impressive hardware, thanks for the highlight and review.
I think it’s more that Fanatec is slow in responding to the market. They used to be the only major player with a complete ecosystem at various layers. But now they are very slow in releasing new gear, or updating what they have. The CSL DD is was revolutionary when it came out, but has stagnated since then. They can’t seem to keep up. The market is flooded with new manufactures and new gear but Fanatec still has products they announced years ago that hasn’t been released.
Once you have tested all of the ones you mentioned at the end, I'd love to hear an overall ranking from you as to which one is the best entry point into the dd ecosystem!
Thanks for vijeos, without these I wouldn't even know there are options out there!
CAMMUS 15Nm is still Power for Value. Really good. R9 is really good and if you have Money to burn, so is Logitech DD
Can you tell me which rig u show mounting the direct drive and sliding it back along the rails? I’ve only seen ones allowing the drive to slide up / down. Looks like a great alternative unless it’s DIY. Thanks
Yes I can for sure. It’s called “Monstertech MTS” I have a couple videos on them. There is a code in the link.
Very nice. Could you next try out the new asetek wheelbases?
I would Love To. Hopefully they are able to reach out with an offer to support that video.
I like USB-B, as it's quite sturdy, unlike all the other USB options.
To stop the flashing pink light, you can do what my dad did in the 1980's when I was a kid when he had dash lights in the car he disagreed with; cover them with electrical tape.
Yea but its also the shift/rpm light
Moza's killing it! :O
I have the r5, got the bundle for $405+ tax, it has been really fun. Glad MOZA had an updated drag and drop method for Forza horizon 5 as well since that game is fun to cruise in.
Wow, Nice Price
i got myself the R9 base with the GS wheel and their entry level load cell pedals (brake and throttle only) two weeks ago and i am loving it.
a year ago i had the CSL DD and to me it feels like Moza is doing basically the same thing but from my point of view in higher quality for a somewhat lower price, so thats great in my book.
two days ago i tested the RS V2 wheel to see if i might keep it for sports or supercar racing in AC1, 2 or the new FM - but i returned it because i was not as satisfied with three things: 1) it was a bit too big for my liking, 2) the stitches started to hurt and irritate the inner side of my thumbs after 30-40min of driving and 3) the shifter paddles were not as satisfying as the GS wheel, and one of them was slightly less clicky which i could not get over with every time i used them.
so the GS wheel is the way to go for me.
if there is one thing i wish they would improve is getting rid of that illuminated bar and replace it with a row of single rpm lights instead of a big bar that fills up, its not as satisfying than having a number of small lights.
It's not a lower price... Fanatec's 8Nm bundle today is quite cheaper than moza R9... I got it plus an extra GT3 wheel (the McLaren replica) for around 700$ in total... Moza R9 plus a second wheel is very close to the 1000$ mark
The Moza R9 + 2 Pedals setup + CS V2 Wheel for me is $1200... the Fanatec including shipping to my door is $440. It does not matter if the Moza would be three times as good, cause its 3 times more expensive. (while the Fanatec Podium with F1 wheel, and pedals is $1400)... so which is better the Moza R9 or the Podium?
@@AndrewTSq i dont need the Podium Power Plus the Motor in the Podium is not as good as in the csl dd or r9 detail wise, its getting a bit old. So if you factor in the csl elite pedals and a good wheel with the csl dd 8nm you are on the same level as my r9 setup. And since i had the csl dd setup, i wanted something new.
@@AndrewTSq Agreed... Moza is at least 30% more expensive overall... so comparing the two products 1 to 1 is completely unfair... not to mention that Fanatec's DD FFB is from what I've gathered from top tier drivers more smooth while Moza's is more forceful, which makes Fanatec more realistic in terms of a driving experience .
Anyway, I have the CSL DD 8Nm bundle and a McLaren GT3 wheel for 700$ and it's ridiculous VFM... moza doesn't even come close to that price...
I've heard about Moza overheating. The youtube I watched show temps of 50 degrees C. 50 doesn't sound too high to me. Anyone else measure the temp of their Moza?
The entire device is metal, I don’t think that 50°C sounds very warm specifically. I used it in the basement and I don’t notice any operating temperatures over 40.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 The youtuber was claiming the R9 heated up and started to lose performance. I haven't heard this from anyone else.
@@bobk4438 Yeah it did feels like false claim to me, it is good for his views.
I've used a Moza R9 for a year now, it's always cool to the touch even after hours of constant usage.
Not false claim, certain people including me have this issue
They just launched R12 and boy that must be hurting fanatec.
I just bought moza r9 the shifter and hand break after rescheming Fanatic for weeks and no one would get back to me on email and i heard they where going trough alot so i went with moza
Nice review Noob ill stick with my Fanatec DD1 and Fanatec eco system which i have never had issues with :)
MOZA R9 or Fanatec CSL DD 8 nm which you choose and why ? I see some ppl say that MOZA have strong FFB but Fanatec have better feel and track details ?
MOZA, better ecosystem, better prices, universal hub
@@NOOBIFIER1337 In EU it is not better price . MOZA R9 , SPR 2 pedal and Es wheel is 800 euro . Fanatec 8 nm , CSL load cell pedals and CSL p1 v2 with metal QR1 is 700 , or with club sport F1 wheel around 700 euro too with delivery:)
@@P.I.D.27 ok, then go with that, make sure to get the boost pack
@@NOOBIFIER1337better price? Are you kidding?
These are prices from two months ago, when you wrote the message:
Fanatec CSL DD 8 nm, wheel and 2 pedal set: 499,80 € (bundle)
Moza R9, wheel and 2 pedal set: 917,90 € (bundle)
Moza R9, cheaper wheel and 2 pedal set: 806 € (not in bundle)
Fanatec needed to cut its original price by half after this set was released.
@@AngelusFromHell
I see a lot of comments about Moza being cheaper than Fanatec and just baffles me cause I bought the Fanatec 8Nm over the Moza R9 BECAUSE IT WAS MUCH CHEAPER literally a month ago...
The 8Nm bundle CSL DD along with an extra wheel (the 200$ McLaren GT3 replica which is crazy VFM) and a table clamp for 730$ plus shipping...
If I wanted to buy the same stuff from Moza (R9 base, pedals, extra GT style wheel) I would be over 1000$ with shipping)... trust me... I checked both of them cause I wanted Moza R9 but I decided that spending another 300$ on literally 1Nm of extra torque would be something I would never be able to justify to myself...
So please at least check the prices...
The video was made before Fanatech Dropped their prices by 50%. This product launch caused Fanatec to panic and reveal the true cost of the items.
@@NOOBIFIER1337 Ok that makes more sense... also, fanatec dropped the prices so much because they literally now make nothing out of the CSL DD but they make a lot out of the wheels and peripherals...
But there is no damn way they're even making a single $ out of CSL DD at the ridiculous price point they have it in the bundle... 300$ for the 5Nm and 400$ for the 8Nm for a DD? Yeah sure... they're not making shit out of it... maybe 10% profit I guess... but still almost nothing...
But they sell so many wheels, pedal sets, handbrakes (fanatec handbrake is soooo big and steady... dreamy handbrake) and shifters (also a FANTASTIC shifter that can be used as a handbrake too if you use it on the serial mode... cool trick) that they don't care that much...
Finally from what I hear from reviews, Fanatec's DD is much smoother than Moza's which feels stronger but more forceful and from what I understand from top tier drivers, the smoother one is more realistic... so point fanatec I guess...
In term of pricing the csl is much more worth it like price difference is huge
Just a heads up for anyone looking to buy Moza, my r9 wheel base that is less than 3 months old failed and also the quick adapter broke, I was in touch with Customer service but they stopped replying to me all together. Look elsewhere or buy from a US retailer. Do not buy directly from them, they’re based in china so there’s nothing else I can do but take an L.
Competition is good for consumers
Not just on ''lower level gear'' Fanatec gets killed, i had the Fanatec DD1 and DD2, and i sold them within a month of owning them, then i went to Simucube and man, the difference is insane i will never touch Fanatec again, just a company that became too big.
How can moza kill fanatec if the fanatec CSL DD 8Nm costs half
Desperate price drop, no?
@@NOOBIFIER1337 mmm, I don't know, I don't think is desperate price, they simply can low the prise because they are bigger and in this way they show how better they are
@@broh9000 what they are showing is that they could have charged the community less for two years, but didn’t
@@NOOBIFIER1337 I agree with u on this point, but if they didn't have competition it is obvious that they keep the prices high
Personally I think Moza is doing a much better job than Fanatec. They have a better QD/QR system for mounting the wheels and they have a better selection of wheel rims. Their formula style rim is far better than anything Fanatec offers. I don't normally care for these Chinese made things, but in this case it's some good stuff. I know several people with Moza setups and all of them love them.
All the brands are made in china. Get rid of your snobbish attitude. Newsflash, the PC/Laptop/tablet/smartphone that you typed your ignorant comment was made in china
Fanatec is made in China like most things nowadays
In my opinium is Moza much better than Fanatec. In March this year i switched from Fanatec to Moza (DD pro to R9). Fanatec thought they made it in the simworld and didn't bother about their regular software updates, costumer service anymore. Also is the FFB and the quick release better then from Fanatec.
Other reviewers have said and showed with temperature meters that the r9 overheats and loses power as it throttles, they also say csl dd has better feedback detail than the r9
Only reason I'm still considering fanatec is the ps5 support.
Valid. Get one used on Facebbok Marketplace. It will save you a bunch... There are many available
@@NOOBIFIER1337 because people are selling their Fanatec for Moza.
Go Thrust master if you need that stay away from Fanatec at all cost
Fanatec just recently dropped the price of their Ready2Race bundle by as much as $200 USD, making it cheaper for a 5NM bundle than even the Moza R5 & cheaper than the R9 for 8NM. Aside from the Cammus C5, the Fanatec CSL DD seems to now be the best option for a starter DD wheel, and will grow with the users skill
It’s still 3 year old tech. But yes I will agree it’s a desperate measure to remain in the market. Very good news for us consumers
@@NOOBIFIER1337 the CSL DD is definitely the oldest of the available offerings of 5-9NM wheelbases but the hardware of all DD's available is pretty robust. Moza has the benefit of much better QR's, and much more in-depth software adjustments, Fanatec has the benefit of more experience in the market & a much more robust ecosystem.
@@harabecswurveweathers valid
The r9 is super. Great wheelbase and heater in one. ^^ Loose ffb after 20-60min...
Same
Maybe turn it down, or consider using a fan to cool it during use.
Yeah pink that's a no Indeed 😅
15c or below is perfect temp, 20c? nah that's warm! and with electronics, monitors rgb lights, your over 70f probably 72F.
OOPS??? Isn't this supposed to be on the "Noobifier TWO" channel, with all your other racing videos and product reviews?
No. Product reviews occur here
you need to do a video on your USB Configuration, because i play buy, same stuff and it is always a headache. you start adding tons of stuff and it just goes downhill. sometimes you boot your computer up, and it crashes bsod or half the stuff don't work, ive seen it all. i buy the high end pcie cards to just get things working. well i just wanted to see if your going through similar issues.
My sim rig uses 2 USB. One for the wheel, pedals, shifter, handbrake… and one for the motion platform. A wireless dongle for keyboard and mouse. Audio is in the VR
cool, i always have pc far away, so it gets more complicated to get working/setup. thank you@@NOOBIFIER1337
I have a full fanatec set up with boost kit and the moza just looked like a cheaper fanatec rip off I'll stick with fanatec
Fanatec is killing them self with poor reliability and bad customer service.
MOZA is too expensive compared to Fanatec. the R5 bundle vs Fanatec Ready2race bundle is $200 difference for me.
When the video was made, the price had not been adjusted. Fanatec did a price drop
1] Go to the Wheel Settings (3rd tab) In Moza Pithouse
2] Engine RPM Indicator - Off
2nd option - Remove the wheel
The R9 is an ok wheel base but is prone to overheating and FFB fade, perhaps better suited to users not requiring the full amount of power (seems like they aren't designed for 100% usage) a CSL DD on the other hand has slightly more detailed FFB which Fanatec's wheel base can sustain at 100% for extended periods without getting warm. My CSL DD 8NM always feels cool to the touch, even after 5 + hours sustained use at 100% FFB at ambient temperatures of 30°C+. I don't think the quality of the FFB is as relevant as the heating issue at high power settings which are easily remedied by the use of a fan.
Moza reliability is questionable at best and support is downright terrible. Janky Chinese brand with zero support. It was a joke. My R9 died a year in and I tried to have it warrantied. Absolute nightmare. They have no processes or SOP. They literally told me to just send it to an address in China. Lo and behold, it's stuck in customs with no way forward. I'm making it a personal goal to share my story. If I can stop someone else from losing money, that's a huge comfort. Do your own research on Moza reddit, discord and other forums.
This has not been my personal experience. They reply quickly to my emails and in discord. I haven’t had any of the 25 MOZA products I have here, fail.
Fanatec still better, great ecosystem, just 1 usb and great wheels. Easy to intall and of course, on xbox and ps5 too. Many games gives support. Im my opinion, moza sounds like a toy, with ugly wheels. If i can compare to another great products, i do it with SIMAGIC for sure. Fanatec have fanalab software with impressive features, plus app for android ! DD1 and 2 with fanatec display on base its a must have for vital infos about torque and base. Plus ( again ) 5 years warranty.
Customer service and qc say hello
Fanatec is killing Fanatec slow and expensive delivery .
Nope, 'cause the R9 goes on fire after 30 minutes of driving.