Dr Hoodhboy is a very well meaning person and I have massive respect for him . He is right that Iqbal is not a philosopher , but Iqbal never claimed to be either . Dr Sbs knowedge of Iqbal is however very superficial . Iqbal is certainly a human only and certainly not beyond errors but to accuse him of being against scientific inquiry only displays lack of acquaintance with Iqbal . Iqbal on the contrary was very much for attaining knowledge , including scientific knowledge . He did not hate the West either . His reconstruction book is neither a book on philosophy nor science , but it's purpose is written by Iqbal himself in the preface . Iqbal ends the preface with humility in line of spirit of inquiry and open ness of mind . Yes it is true that many of his views changed over time but so it is with everyone. I feel Dr sb in a haste or due to pre conceived notions , did not really do justice to Iqbal . Iqbal most definitely would have many errors , but what Dt sb has against him don't seem to be one of those
I totally agree with you; moreover bringing Imran Khan into it shows his clear bias towards Imran Khan, as it was irrelevant, out of place and unintellectual.
Dear Dr. Hoodbhoy I too have a huge respect for you and often watch your lectures. You are absolutely right about our weakness to worship heroes blindly and passionately. Allama Dr. Iqbal, surely did change his thought process with the passage of time. His work is and must remain open to intellectual scrutiny and indeed fit for critical study. However, Dr. Iqbal has influenced millions of people of all ages and backgrounds and will continue to do so. On the other hand, I do think your comments related to Imran Khan were out of place, premature and even irrelevant; reflecting your bias against him. Like all human beings IK has made mistakes and will continue to do so.
Perviaz Hoodboy is 100 % right .Those who are living in the past will never accept the explanation of Dr.Pervaiz Hoodboy .They think that whatever they think is all true and there is no other reality outside or in contrary to their thinking .Iqbal was only a local level poet inspired by religious thought nothing more than that .The great thinkers and writers talk about for the good of the mankind ,they never talk in a narrow domain of a religious philosophy
It true that in early Allama Iqbal liked philosophy but soon he realized that its speed is too slow to grasp each and every fact of life, as philosophy doesn't accept solution (event though looks valid) unless it finds its source and chain of actions which yielded it. Due to this Iqbal shifted himself from Aql to Dil (love) because love abruptly goes result to the result to analyze it. In short, philosophy has source-oriented and love has a result-oriented approach to reach a conclusion. That's why Allama Iqbal said: عقل کو تنقید سے فرصت نہیں عشق پر اعمال کی بنیاد رکھ It also doesn't mean that Allama Iqbal didn't like logic, in fact, he encouraged Muslims to analyze even religious facts with logic so they can escape from the jaw of Molvies. But once you're done with it, take love as your guide so it can exponentiate your pace
Dr Parvez,Thank you so much for giving us your valuable speeches. Sometimes in a joint families a situation comes people of the family make different kitchens and work in different places for revenue,inspite of that those families living together and get many advantages of joint families. Similarly can we think an unique model in Indian sub continent where everything will be discussed openly on humatarian basis and we can work together for the benefits of its people. In this way we can save our wealth and heavy expenses on arms.we don't have scarcity of natural resources as well as brain.my indication is India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Bhutan Nepal and Afghanistan.
Sir the concept of infinite series is that in remote sensing we take analysis through pic from outside of earth in space in single picture not vedio if light can stop then we watch all dimension quickly like in remote sensing pic analysis is reasonable then vedio like Michelson speed of light experiment
Before blindly prejudging Dr Hoodbhoy as a biased, secular, non-muslim, etc. Just try to objectively think about what he has said and whether is there any truth in what he is saying?
Instead of criticizing Iqbal about his religious/spiritual beliefs, should caution the people that do not consider Iqbal a scientist. Iqbal is a relgious philosopher and thinker.
Philosophy is not a technology which measure the technical angel of the scenario philosophy is living things in all knowledge and for the realistic philosophy you have to add your self in the tree to draw a philosophy about tree
her insaan k bahut sare point of view hote hy jo change dheere dheere ho skte hy ....hame us hisaab se or history k us waqt k hisab se judge krna chahhiye na ki aaj k parameter se ....
As per Prof. Hoodbhoy, India could advanced a lot in the field of Science. Why? What I think Pakistan is too much concerned about India. I sometime read Dawn newspaper , in that newspaper I notice that your paper covers a lot of news about India, though negative. But in India we really do not care what Pakistan is doing every day. So forget about animosity , it is only a tool to divert ordinary people to deviate from main problems. You had Prof.Salam, you have Prof. Hoodbhoy , so take their wisdom to develop your country. Best wishes from Kolkata, India.
Absolutely. Indians never discuss Pakistan. I have never heard the name Pakistan on any news channel, in any political rally. I am amazed why no Indian political leader ever talks about Pakistan. Never heard the name Pakistan from Modi or Yogi G. You will never ever heard the word Pakistan on channels like India Today, Aaj Tak, Republic Tv. Surprising.
میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
ذِکر وفِکر یہ ہیں سب ایک ہی سالِک کی جُستجو کے مقام وہ جس کی شان میں آیا ہے ’عَلَّم الاسما‘ مقامِ ذکر، کمالاتِ رومیؔ و عطّارؔ مقامِ فکر، مقالاتِ بوعلیؔ سِینا مقامِ فکر ہے پیمائشِ زمان و مکاں مقامِ ذکر ہے سُبحانَ ربیّ الاعلیٰ
Would you jump into the burning fire or find logics and evade the matter ??? Are you more intelligent than the prophets... Literally emotions has no comparison with reason..
Sorry to say Dr Parvez sir Modi ji , our dearest pm , does not talk foolish things about science as you mentioned. Yes ! during vedic times India contributed a lot to science like in surgery(by sushrita) , astronomy, mathematics, Aurveda etc etc India before islamic invasions had five world class universities ,which you know, these invaders destroyed otherwise you would had more proof in hand to appreciate achievements of vedic time. I sincerely admire your love for science & your efforts to educate people of Pakistan about the importance of science. Please keep up the good work..... congratulations from my side to you for your contribution in raising the awarness for science & feeling of universal brotherhood....
So Deepak, are you going to and taking your family to Ayurvedic medicine? It is quite laughable that people like you brag about past but has no proof to prove its truth.
Maybe he is right because Iqbal was not a polymath. He did much for the nation building though which is enough. It is great sorrow that no one like Iqbal came after him. If couple of guys like him existed in our society. The result would have been different and we might be a developed state. Anyway my question to Hoodbouy is that why he is making comments on it. Although I am great admirer of him. Why he take part in every other issue which is not even his domain. Science, religion, history, Analyst, Activist and now in the Philosophy.
Iqbal actually was not totally and literally against the science. It was just the preference for emotions over intellect. He too is the supporter of intellect but don't totally rely on the physicality of the world۔ Even the scientist of todays world have declared that the world have some other dimensions far from the physical dimension and near to the metaphysics۔ Intellect is something we should use wisely and cautiously not totally relying on it۔ As he said; عقل سپر عشقِ ہے شمشیر تری میرے درویش خلافت ہے جہانگیر تیری
ماشاءاللہ بالکل صحیح فرمایا آپ نے ❤❤❤ پر ترے نام پہ تلوار اٹھائی کس نے بات جو بگڑی ہوئی تھی، وہ بنائی کس نے تھے ہمیں ایک ترے معرکہ آراوں میں خشکیوں میں کبھی لڑتے، کبھی دریاوں میں بنایا حرم کی کنیزیں کفار کی بہو بیٹیوں۔ ماؤں بہنوں کو کس نے لوٹا تیرے نام پر ان کی عبادتگاہوں کو کس نے ڈھائے مندر ۔ بنائیں مسجدیں ان پر کس نے دیں اذانیں کبھی یورپ کے کلیساوں میں کبھی افریقہ کے تپتے ہوئے صحراوں میں کلمہ پڑھتے تھے ہم چھاوں میں تلواروں کی اسی لئے تو کہلائے امن و صلح کے دلدار فقط ہم ہی ۔
"......The mathematical conception of continuity as infinite series applies not to movement regarded as an act, but rather to the picture of movement as viewed from the outside." Imagine you're watching a car move on a road. When you look at it, you see the car moving smoothly, without any sudden jumps or stops. This is what mathematicians call "continuity," which means that there are no breaks or gaps in the movement. Now, let's say that instead of watching the car itself, you're looking at a series of photographs that were taken one after the other as the car moved. If you look at each photo separately, you might see some jumps or gaps between them, like when the car briefly stops at a red light or changes direction. But if you look at all the photos together, one after the other, you'll see the car moving smoothly from one photo to the next. This is what the statement means by "the picture of movement as viewed from the outside." The continuity of the car's movement is not about the individual moments or actions of the car, but rather the overall impression you get when you look at the whole sequence of photos. Similarly, in math, continuity is often described as an infinite series, which means that even if you zoom in very closely to a particular point on a curve or line, the overall pattern of the curve or line remains smooth and unbroken.
As a rational thinker; I feel that his lecture lacked in fact and figures and cherry picked only few of things. Rather mostly it is his personnel notions about Iqbal. Iqbal is only person who asked for modernization in Islamic knowledge in the last century. He was very much inspired by the Syed Ahmed khan as well. Total biased lecture. He didn't have any clue about the "Khudi" as well. He is giving his own interpretation to it.
Even scholars of Ghamidi level seem to misunderstand versus of Quran where there is a hint of spirituality. I think the same is the case with Dr Iqbal s works.....
I am big admirer of Dr. Parvej. It is unfortunate watching negative comment on Dr. Parvej. Pakistan has not even respect Dr. Abdus Salam Nobel prize winner only because he was Ahmadiya. Unfortunate and shameful. JAI HIND.
میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
@@anwarahmad7076 میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
when taking away a sinking boat, it is best to have another boat with which to replace it, to ease the transfer of people's minds. iqbal was certainly no philosopher. if not, then, instead of saying he is nothing, perhaps it would find kinder ears if we were to propose that iqbal should more accurately be described as a theologian.
Does the Quran support The Theory of Reincarnation? By : [Khurram Shahzad] Reincarnation, a religious belief in essence, is adopted by millions of people worldwide. The concept promotes cyclic rebirths based on the transmigration of the human soul from one physical body to another. The dictionary meaning of the word reincarnation is 'coming back in the flesh'. The process of reincarnation allegedly continues until the soul reaches its full maturity and perfection when it joins its source - God or the 'Universal Soul'. The Karma is defined as a kind of debt that one incurs as a result of his/her actions during a lifetime. If the actions are good, the person will have good karma and will be born again in a desirable state. Conversely a bad karma would result in a miserable rebirth. Thus one's condition in life is a direct effect of his/her actions during his/her past life dictated by the law of Karma. Therefore it is a simple case of cause and effect. The roots of this religious belief can be traced back to ancient Greek and Egyptian philosophy. The Hindu and Buddhist teachings are also centred around this concept. The main idea is the same except for minor variations, that being the constant evolution of the soul until it reaches through trial and error, a state when it can merge back into the 'Universal Soul'. The ancient Egyptians on one hand believed that the dead person returns back to this earth for another life as the same person he/she used to be. Consequently, the pharaoh was buried with all his treasure and wealth intact so that he can claim them back upon his re-birth. The Hindu version of reincarnation is slightly different, whereas the dead pharaoh would return to life as the same person he used to be (the pharaoh), the Hindu version believes that a dead person would not return as the same person he/she used to be, but return as a completely different person but with the same soul. The idea of this paper is not to go into the depth and details of the various beliefs regarding the reincarnation theory, but to present a Quranic perspective of the concept and its validity. Reincarnation is refuted by all the main Monotheistic religions of the world. The reason for this is that it is against their basic teachings of a finite life for the human upon which he/she is judged and rewarded accordingly. If the human is to go through numerous lives, on which life is he/she to be judged? The first life? The last life? The Holy Quran, the last and proven word of God, unequivocally rejects this false religion of reincarnation. Numerous Quranic verses confirm this position regarding the reincarnation concept, they can be classified as follows: First : The 'barzakh' (barrier) When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back so that I may do good deeds regarding what I have neglected." But no! This is just a word he utters. A 'barzakh' (barrier) lies behind them until the Day they are resurrected. 23:99-100 The above words confirm that when a person dies, God takes his/her soul while he is still in the process of imploring God for another chance. As soon as the human dies a barrier is immediately in place. This barrier prevents his/her soul from returning to earth. This barrier is maintained until the Day of Resurrection. Second : Number of death's (two death's or one death?) The mention of two deaths and two lives in @ may cause some interpreters to somehow connect the Quranic teachings to the concept of multiple births, however on closer examination we realise that the opposite is true. They said, "Our Lord, You have put us to death twice, and You have brought us to life twice. Now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" @ The truth of the matter is that this very verse serves as another solid proof against any such theory. @ traces the progress of our course from the feud in the Heavenly Society (38:69) to the Day of Judgement. We made a covenant with God (5:7) and then we were put to death. That was our First death. The fact that we were all living in a previous life before being brought to earth is well confirmed in the Quran, for more information on this topic please visit: Why we are here Consequently, the first death ended our life in the previous life which was in God's Kingdom and not here on earth. The second death ends the life of the disbelievers here on earth, hence they say to God: You have put us to death twice, and You have brought us to life twice. The believers on the other hand do not taste the second death, after the end of their life on earth the angels invite them to enter Heaven, they do not die but move straight to Heaven. For more info on this topic please visit: Righteous do not die Upon our first death, we were brought to this life to be given a further chance to redeem our souls and submit to God's absolute authority. This is our first and only life on earth. The 'one death' for the believers and the 'two deaths' for the disbelievers set the rule that all humans have only one life on earth and that no one returns to earth after their death. This is clearly different from reincarnation which implies multiple lives and deaths for each individual. Third : Apportioned share in life In this life every human being is apportioned a share in accordance with God's will. The Quran explains this concept in the following verse: And seek, through what God has given you, the Abode of the Hereafter, and do not forget your share of this world. 28:77 This means that God has decreed for each human a share in this earthly life, which is entirely dependent on His will, and has nothing to do with one's actions in previous lives. A concession for multiple lives would violate the concept of a fixed and preset share in this life, this is because each different life would encompass a different share, and not a set share as we read in 28:77. God provides whom He wills without count. @ Once again this verse points to the fact that there is no such thing as a Karma or debt. God out of His infinite mercy gives to whomever He wills without any count. There are always some case studies which may influence one's thinking causing some to believe in such multiple life theories. Many observations and beliefs are based on so called 'past life recall' or 'dejas vu'. Many interpret such occurrences to having been living in a different place and time in a previous life. However, there are many plausible explanations to such phenomenon. One such explanation is the unseen contact with the jinn who could be transferring such visions to us and tricking us into believing that we were alive in a previous life and place. The stories of jinn and their interactions with humans is well documented in the Quran. It is worth noting here that the majority of the jinn are disbelievers, and it is understandable that they would try to trick us into thinking that we have numerous lives, and thus impale the urgency to strive for righteousness in this only life we are given. To conclude, the Quranic evidence against the concept of reincarnation leads us to reject this theory. This life on earth is our only chance for redemption. We should set our goals and priorities straight and seek God's approval through righteousness and good deeds. Contrary to what the devil may want us to believe, we will not get another chance.
@@raheelkhan6066 I feel contentious toward clean-shaven Muslims, who live a secular lifestyle & still assume they are following Islam & they fallaciously feel close to God.
As a rational thinker, I feel that his lecture is full of fact, figures, logic and reasoning. He is just responding not reacting as most of us do. Iqbal ki men ny kaee kitaben prhi hn, also "reconstruction of religious thought in Islam". He was a confused person not knowing the depth and roots of political and philosophical theories of that time. One can observe him praising communist revolution of Russia (1917) but in the very next moment he starts criticizing Lenin and his revolution. He does not admire scientists but he himself creates a dramatized world for his followers in which everyone lives in hallucination. Sitaron sy agy jahan aur bhi hain, momin wo hai jo sitaron per kamandd daly, momin k ghoron (horses) k pairon ki gard sy sitary att jany chahyen... I have been also indulged in literature, i know how can metaphors and similes be used mgr y chz to sirf logon ko aik khwaab naak c aur sahar angaiz c dunya main ly jati hai aur insan haqeeqat sy door hony lgta hai just as we are doing now. aj tak kitny logon ny sitaron per kamandd dali hai??? bhala humen koi real world men achy sy jeena sikhany wala hai?? kis trhn sy hum as a nation grow kren??? kis trhn sy apny masail hall kren?? kis trhn personally grow kr k achy citizens aur achy human bn ny ki koshish kren? ya bs sitaron per kamand dalny k khwab hi dekhny hain??? He might be a good poet, but neither a good thinker nor a good philosopher. agr ap maghrib aur whan k culture sy itni nafrat krty thy to angraiz official k lye qaseedy q likha krty thy? ap sirf mazhabi intehaa pasando k hero ho skty hn. aik rational, practical thinker hmesha hi "shakhsiyat parasti" so meelon door reh kr sawal uthaye ga aur haqaiq ki gehrai tk phnchny ki poori koshish kry ga. falsafa agr prhna hai to Imaam Shah Wali Ullah ki "Hujjat-ullah-hil-baligha" prh kr dekhen aur Bertrand Russell ki "Philosophical Essays" prh kr dekh len andaza ho jye ga k aik philosopher kon hota hai.
Actually Sir, Dr. Iqbal was right, what is the use of doing of PhD and other things when you are going to die, why not spend your life in the name of Almighty Allah and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
Scholars of "Iqbaliat" states 4 stages of "Iqbal's thinking". Each one has a separate distinct character. There is nothing wrong in it. Every thing develops with the passage of time and Iqbal's thoughts are not an exception. We may consider that the last stage in Iqbal's thought was the one he really believe in after gaining a life long experience. That is why, There is nothing wrong if Iqbal has a " Minus X" view in his early age and a "Plus X" view in his Fourth Stage. It is a 180 degree shift, but certainly Iqbal has his right to have it. As for his criticism on Western thoughts, in my humble opinion, iqbal was not against learning from West, However, he believes that the Islam can provide the "drive" necessary to create a thrust in Muslims. The one basic thing our venerable speaker Dr Pervez ignores that even pursuit of knowledge (call it western scientific knowledge) needs a level of dedication that can only be available to preson having a "drive"; in case of Muslims, the essential and the only source for that "drive" be the Islamic thoughts. Even today, Iqbal's thoughts provides the necessary fuel to conquer the new heights in every wake of life.
Agr ksi nay IQBAL ki philsophical mind smjhna hy to "the reconstruction of religious thought in islam" parhy thuri msuhkil hy lakin ab ko lag pata chl jae ga ky kya mind tha Iqbal ka, ur science may
If I remember correctly, after 9/11, he had written an article, in which he seemed to be mocking the Afghan Taliban for their strategic retreat and weakness in face of overwhelming American and NATO invading forces. He also seemed to be mocking Allama Iqbal’s verse: Kafir hai to shamsheer pai karta hai bharosa , Momin hai to bai tegh bhi larhta hai sipahi. As it turned out, Allama’s verse proved to be correct. Afghan Taliban, with incomparably inferior weaponry and resources, in face of all the high tech weapons and incomparably greater resources of the American superpower and its NATO and other allies, reorganized and came back with very effective guerrilla warfare tactics. The invaders and their puppet government have been defeated for all practical purposes and the Islamic resistance has grown stronger than ever. I am not an expert on Pervez Hoodbhoy, Allama Iqbal or physics. My scientific background is in many areas of social and biological sciences. I have read some of his articles, some of which are excellent critiques of social and educational problems and institutions in Pakistan. However, when talking about science, Professor Hoodbhoy mostly emphasizes the virtues and positive contributions of modern western science and technology, excluding the disastrous macro-level problems that have been created in the past few centuries by the Advanced Western Capitalist-Imperialist Technocratic Civilization, which are very likely to cause the extinction of human species, as well as most other life forms, on this planet, for example the problems of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, climate change and global warming, ozone layer depletion in the atmosphere, destruction of the ecology of nature, pollution of air, water, soil, and food, extinction of huge numbers of species due to the actions of modern capitalist and imperialist technocratic humans, ever-increasing militarism and arms race throughout various countries of the world, initiated and perpetuated by the sinister insanity of quest for global domination by the US and NATO imperialism, etc. The professor and almost all the scientists talk positively about the achievements of science and technology, in abstraction and fragmentation from the political economy. However, that is a great fundamental blunder and flaw, which distorts and falsifies the overall reality of what has happened historically. In reality, it is the co-evolution of science and technology, political economy of capitalism, and capitalist and imperialist technocratic human nature, which have created all these diverse macro-level problems. In addition to the various macro-level problems mentioned above, the co-evolution of science and technology, political economy of capitalism has also created disruptions and imbalances in the inner ecology of human nature, which remain unknown and in the dark. I have attempted to shed some light on these in some of my articles by venturing into the terra incognita. You can read one of those articles through the following link. It was posted on my web site imperialismandthethirdworld.wordpress.com . imperialismandthethirdworld.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/biosocial-and-epigenetic-relativity-of-human-nature-relative-to-political-economy-technology-and-culture-by-fazal-rahman-phd/ As far as Allama Iqbal is concerned, he had great insights into human nature, western civilization, Islam, history, and philosophy. He most probably rejected the western philosophy, because he found it to be imitating the natural sciences and reducing humans to material objects, under the guise of scientific objectivity. The word Philosophy originated in Greek language, it literally means Love of Wisdom. Allama Iqbal was definitely a philosopher, as he loved and created wisdom, truth, justice, concepts of national liberation, struggle against colonialism and imperialism, the meanings and essences of teachings of Islam, etc. As such he can also be considered as an Islamic social scientist, in spite of the fact that he wrote many of his findings and insights in poetic form, much more holistic than the typical fragmental western scientific form. As far as his preference for acquiring knowledge through the heart and intuition is concerned, he had a lot in common with Albert Einstein, who also assigned primary importance to intuition in the great scientific discoveries. He considered logic and reason to be of secondary importance in these. I had included his numerous statements in that regard. However, I had to remove them as it went over the limits of space allowed for comments. It also did not allow me to post these in a second comment. If some requests these, I may be able to post these in reply. Professor Hoodbhoy seems to give logic and reason the primary importance in science, which is the opposite of Einstein’s teachings and insights. .Reason is a very vast and complex subject. From ancient times, some of the best human minds have endeavored to describe its nature, forms, and operations, for example, ancient Greek philosophers, like Aristotle. There are different kinds of logic and reason, formal and dialectical logic, and deductive and inductive reason. In the capitalist west and its imitators, philosophers, scientists, and others are mostly ignorant of dialectical logic and do not use it in their reasoning, hypotheses, and theories. Dialectical logic, dealing with contradictions, their development, synthesis, and resolution, had achieved its highest development in the philosophy of German philosopher, Hegel. It was later used by Karl Marx, Lenin, and other Marxists in the development and elaboration of their theories and epistemology. They also used other forms of logic and reason, mentioned above, but integrated these within the comprehensive sphere of dialectical logic. The results of use of Reason in science and technology under capitalism are alienated from their producers and are monopolized by the capitalist class, which has developed its own version of Reason, the Capitalist Reason. Combined together, these constitute the Capitalist Technological Rationality, in which the authenticity and wholesomeness of Human Rationality is mutilated and deformed, on the altar of profit, power, and domination interests of the capitalist and imperialist classes. All the achievements of science and technology are molded into that all-encompassing framework. That is what has created all the extremely disastrous macro-level problems, some of which, like the climate change, are already irreversible, in spite of the feeble lullabies of a relatively small section of scientific community, the UN, and international conferences. From all the numerous scientific reports, it is totally clear that the pollutions, climate change, and global warming, as well as other macro-level problems, are worsening rapidly, instead of getting any better.
Raj Narayanan you started with. Science has nothing to do with capitalism. 🙈 i am stunned. Its called political science, a branch of social sciences. Science is a broader term, not only what physics, chemistry, math and biology.
@Raj Narayanan You are astoundingly ignorant of the whole history of the development of science and capitalism, as well as their contemporary reality. This is my only response to an ignorant and arrogant person like you. Combination of ignorance, arrogance, and inadequate knowledge precludes the possibility of any logical and factual communication. After writing my above comment, this is the first time I have visited here. Science never existed or developed in isolation. It was always integrated within the politico-economic systems that funded various branches of it in their own interests and directions. Science and scientists have always been and continue to be dependent on such funding by their ruling classes. Under capitalism and imperialism, almost all of them work for the capitalist and imperialist ruling classes and corporations, which monopolize the results of their discoveries for their profits and power interests. For example, according to the data of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (based in Paris), cited by Professor Melman, 63 percent of the research and development activity of a total of 700,000 scientists, engineers and technicians working in the U.S. during 1967 was on behalf of the military (Melman, S. 1970. Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War. New York, St. Louis, San Francisco, Toronto: McGraw-Hill Book Company). This percentage, as well as huge expenditures on military research and development, have increased since then. In terms of income and benefits, this section of the scientific establishment belongs to its upper class and its economic interests are tied in with those of capitalism, imperialism, militarism, and wars, for which it has provided all the essential material and technical foundations, weapons, means that are used for the development and maintenance of international relations of imperialism, domination, and exploitation, as well as of domestic capitalist relations of production and class divisions, domination, and repression. Therefore, it is the most conservative and right-wing of all the other various sections of the scientific establishment. This section has also provided the basis on which the global arms race and trade have constantly flourished and have reached truly sinister dimensions. This section constitutes the real intellectual-technical basis of all the merchants and merchandise of death, all the weapons of mass destruction, and all the high technology wars, in which countless millions have been slaughtered, injured, and economically destroyed in numerous ways. The worst is yet to come. The Third World War will certainly annihilate the whole human species, as well as most other forms of life. Global warming; ozone layer depletion; and pollution of air, water, soil, and food are some of the other great accomplishments of the “enlightened” technological humans, mass produced in the Advanced Capitalist-Imperialist Technocratic Societies (ACITS). Some of these disastrous changes, especially the climate change and ozone layer depletion, are already irreversible, in spite of the sinister lullabies, lies, and pretensions of the controllers of the political, economic, and industrial establishments. Overwhelming majorities of the populations of ACITS, as well as their Third World clients, are also complacent in this greatest mass suicidal frenzy towards the Great Abyss.
@@adeelsarfraz1226 You are absolutely right. Raj Narayan is not only ignorant of the developmental history of natural and social sciences, he is also positing himself as the authority to determine what is science and what is not. He seems not to know that in the history of western science, there were great debates and strong reactions to imposition of the methodologies of natural sciences on social and human sciences, as, even though humans are part of nature, they also have their own unique human nature and human consciousness, which require methodologies that are appropriate to their studies and social relations. It is very unlikely that Raj knows that one of the greatest scientists of all times, Albert Einstein, was a socialist and he wrote about the developmental dynamics of science and political economy under capitalism and socialism. Also, the late Dr. Barry Commoner, one of the most important American environmental scientists and founder of the environmental movement, had similarly exposed the connection between capitalism and environmental and ecological destruction. He had also arrived at the conclusion that such problems can be prevented and solved under socialism. Numerous Marxist scientists and philosophers, including Marx himself and Lenin, have also written extensively on such dynamics. In view of all the knowledge that has been accumulated, it is absurd and bizarre to deny, as Raj does, that political economy or scientific philosophy are not sciences.
Parvez Hoodbhoy of all people should know that matter did receive a blow from Einstein. Before Einstein, mass (made of matter) was considered to be an absolute quantity (constant) but he proved that there also exists relativistic mass that tends to vary (variable) w.r.t. speed (before it was thought to be impossible for mass/matter to be variable) Iqbal was wrong to reject Einstein but Hoodbhoy misunderstood and misrepresented Iqbal's criticism entirely.
اللہ آپکو ہدائیت دیں محترم استاد۔ آپکی آنکھوں ۔۔دل و دماغ کے دریچے ابھی نہی کھلے اسی لئے آپ کو وہ نظر نہی آ رہا جو ایک ایمان کی حرارت والے شخص کو نظر آ جاتا ہے۔ اللہ آپکی عقل کے بند دریچے کھول دیں۔سائنس کی ترقی اپنی جگہ لیکن کیا اس ترقی کے بعد ہونے والے نقصانات آپکو نظر نہی آتے؟؟؟ شیطان اور شیطانیت نے دلوں پہ مہر لگا دی ہے لوگوں کے۔ اب آخرت میں اللہ کے حضور پیش ہونا آپ نے اسلئے اللہ کو بھی راضی کر لیں دنیا اور اپنے نفس کو تو راضی کر لیا آپ نے۔ ایک معصومانہ سوال آپ سے کہ کلوننگ پہ ویٹی کن اور پوپ کی طرف سے پابندی کیوں لگائی گئی ہے؟؟ اسی لئے نا کہ انسانیت کو خطرہ ہے۔ آج ارٹیفیشل انٹیلی جنس جو سائنس کی ترقی کا نتیجہ ہے انسانیت کے لئے خطرہ نہی کیا؟؟؟ جتنا پیسہ ہم انسانوں نے کائینات کی تلاش میں ضائع کر دیا اس سے انسانیت کی کتنی خدمت ہو سکتی تھی بتائیں؟؟؟ اور کیا حاصل ہوا خلا میں جانے سے؟؟ آج مغرب جس بے راہ روی کا شکار ہے اور اسکے ثمرات اسلامی ممالک تک بھی پہنچ رہے ہیں کیا وہ صحیح ہے؟؟ ہم جنس پرستی۔فحاشی ۔گناہ عام ہے۔
اقبال فلسفی تھے فلسفہ کے اس پار سے نکلے تھے عقل، دلیل، دانش اور آزادی رائے کے حقائق سے واقف تھے چونکہ آپ خود اقرار کرتےہو کہ انہوں نے فلسفہ کی ڈگری بھی حاصل کی وہ بھی مغرب سے مغرب میں داخلہ ملنا مشکل ہے ڈگری حاصل کرنا تو دور کی بات ہے مگر اقبال نے تو حاصل کیا مگر پھر اسے فتح کرکے اس پر لعنت بھی بھیجا اور اصل دلیل، عقل آزادی رائے اور اصول زندگی کو دین اسلام اور قرآن سمجھا ۔۔۔ جس طرح حدیث مبارکہ ہے "الکیس من دان نفسہ وعمل لما بعد الموت" اس حدیث مبارکہ میں عقل مند کون ہے؟؟؟؟؟ فلسفی کون ہے؟؟؟؟؟ جناب آپ کا فیلڈ بھی فزکس ہے نہ کہ دین اور فلسفہ یہ اقبال کا موضوع ہے جس طرح اقبال نے سائنس نہیں پڑھا تو آپ نے بھی مذھب اور فلسفہ نہیں پڑھا ؟؟؟ وہ سائنس کو نہیں سمجھے اور تم فلسفے کو نہیں سمجھے بس۔۔۔
You didn't understand the Iqbal what will you understand the philosophy ??? You are also a scientist not a philosopher ??? Plz Continue your services in the field of science....don't missguid the new upcoming generation..
I highly respect and value prof: Hoodbhoy's intellect but i will agree to disagree with him on one point where he says that Allama Iqbal closed the doors of fresh scientific thought or change for Muslims and confined them to the customary stagnant religious thought. To begin Allama Iqbal shared a common opinion with Sir sayyid Ahmed Khan on matter of fresh orientation of religion and demanded that the religious experience should be reconstructed with the development of scientific experience so I will negate prof: Hoodbhoy's accusations on Iqbal by Sharing Iqbal's own words from the same book quoted by Prof: Hoodbhoy and will prove that Iqbal welcomed science and demanded that religious thought must also be reinvigorated by Scientific change as he says, " New points of view have been suggested, old problems have been restated in the light of fresh experience, and new problems have arisen. It seems as if the intellect of man is outgrowing its own most fundamental categories__Time, space, and causality. With the advance of scientific thought even our concept of intelligibility is undergoing a change. The theory of Einstein has brought a new vision of the universe and suggests new ways of looking at the problems common to both religion and philosophy. No wonder then that the younger generation of Islam in Asia and Africa demand a fresh orientation of their faith". reference; Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam, chapter; Knowledge and Religious experience, page(15). Hope respected Prof: Hoodbhoy will revisit Iqbal's writings with an unbiased bent of mind.
He took criticism of Avicena and Farabi at face value. Poetry is never understood like this. Using words 'Sina o farababi' here was just a symbol of 'unguided' enormous logic.
And u r just a symbol of how gando Nabi laudakhor tattikhor Muhammad used to take 72 sahabas lulli in his islami ghazi badboodar pichwada while raising them in air 5 times a day while oinking Allah ki gaand me lulli ho akbar 😂😂
Focus on your quantum physics this is not your topic ND you know nothing about Iqbal and also philosophy I don't want to criticize u more because you have a good knowledge about science that's the only reason to ignore you
We can criticize Iqbal that why he did not start a movement for Muslims to excell in sciences. Iqbal was not a scientist. Was this his job to preach Science??? Parvez is right in saying that Iqbal should not be considered a scientist. But did Iqbal ever claim to b scientist ?? Does anyone else ever believe that Iqbal was scientist.??
ماشاءاللہ بالکل ٹھیک کہا آپ نے۔ صبح ازل مجھ سے کہا جبرائیل نے جو عقل کا ہو غلام وہ دل نہ کر قبول Alhamdolillah this is Hadrat Allama Iqbal's wonderful opinion about عقل intelligence, rationality and intellect which are the basis of all true knowledge. ❤❤ MashaAllah unkay khiyal mein aql ki yeh vukat thi. Yehi vajah hai k aaj Ummat Muslima nay aql ko talaq de di hai aur hum dunya k sab say ziyada kamyab log hein. Allah SWT ka lakh lakh shukr. aaj saari dunya maanti hai k hum mussalman dunya ki behtareen ummat hein. Sara jahan hum par hasad aur rashk karta hai. Alhamdolillah ❤❤❤ Dua karein k Rab-ul-Izzat Khaliq-e-Qainat hamein himmat ata farmaye aur humm aql ko apni zindagion se nikal bahir phenkein. Ameen soum Ameen ❤❤❤
This person so called scientists is mean scientists in our India you find much better professor in every universities and colleges Dr Iqbal was honored doctorate from Germany on Persian philosophy he also studied in Sanskrit up to graduation all records are available nearly thousands and thousands books were written on him .in different languages India translated even in marathi malayalam Tamil it is pity his Image is tarnished by thi s pseudo scientists secondly he is not only person who praised queen you will find so many great leaders at that time
Very much misunderstood by the presenter and intentionally adopted materialistic approach. Must have treated it with spiritually in context it with eternity of soul vis a vis matter.
پرویز صاحب آپ علامہ مشرقی کو کیوں نہیں پڑھتے ہیں؟ علامہ صاحب بار بار لوگوں کو سائنس پر توجہ دینے کی یاد دلاتے رہے .. پاکستان اور ہندوستان میں ایسا کوئی دانشور نہیں ہے جس کا علامہ مشرقی سے تقابل کیا جاسکے۔ آپ ہمیشہ ان کی بات کرتے ہیں جو برطانوی ایجنٹ تھے۔
Iqbal was Islamic Philosopher..He was not scientist. Criticism of Iqbal that he was not scientist does not make any sense. Iqbal did not say that science should not be studied. Iqbal was spiritualist, ----Islamic spitritualist.
His criticism of Iqbal that he did not talk about Science--is it appropriate? True that Iqbal was not scientist, he never claimed to be scientist. I do not think that any person should consider, or ever considers him a scientist anyway. So criticism that he was not scientist does not make much sense. Did Iqbal ever say that we should not educate ourselves in science.??
bilkul out of context batien nikal kar wo bhi wo batien ju unky betay nay likhy hy wo 1919 may ur 1919 kay bad ju iqbal ka kam hy wo phalsafy ur scinece ka un waqhto ka meray atebar bhtren kam hy, ju ky ab sting theory may bhi istemal hua.
He has raised some very significant issues about Iqbal's knowledge and wisdom but one thing is so obvious.Mr Hoodbhoy has got zero education and knowledge of Philosophy,being a professor of Physics so how can he judge Iqbal who has got P.HD in metaphysics...Lol, a logical fallacy...
dude have some respect, I haven't disrespected you. Try to learn some manners before calling me lallu and all. And I request you to learn about difference between physics an philosophy. It is because of physics you can even type this comment not because of philosophy. If you are wrong then accept it do not be stubborn. It is not the way to move forward. Please don't reply if you cannot make a rational conversation without using such words.
Parvez Hoodboy is complaining that why Iqbal is not a scientist. Iqbal never claimed to b scientist. Iqbal is poet, thinker, and Islamic spiritualist, and Islamic philosopher. Calling him and criticizing him for not being a scientist is really not necessary. He says that he was awarded Ph.D in philosophy---- and then he says he was not philosopher!
What a dishonest analysis Iqbal condemned European philosophy ,not the philosophy in general. This speaker, as every body knows , is biased against religion and religious people . Iqbal never denied the matter he said that Einstein has changed the concept of matter drastically which he did ... Not a right person to speak on Iqbal ....in fact its pathologic to ask him to speak on Iqbal
Okay now here is the analysis of your objections (link attached ) Dr sb! please now spend sometime to know what was actually written, yahan mostly bherh chaal he hen werna they would have asked you hundreds of question ua-cam.com/video/FDFuKhRmPJo/v-deo.html
pseudo philosopher bhai iqbal ny ye kahan kaha k mmatter energy interchange wrong ha. he just said k blow einstein ki taraf se aya and thats right. it was blow at tht moment, contrary to old belief k matter energy separate entities hain.
Dr Hoodhboy is a very well meaning person and I have massive respect for him . He is right that Iqbal is not a philosopher , but Iqbal never claimed to be either . Dr Sbs knowedge of Iqbal is however very superficial . Iqbal is certainly a human only and certainly not beyond errors but to accuse him of being against scientific inquiry only displays lack of acquaintance with Iqbal . Iqbal on the contrary was very much for attaining knowledge , including scientific knowledge . He did not hate the West either . His reconstruction book is neither a book on philosophy nor science , but it's purpose is written by Iqbal himself in the preface . Iqbal ends the preface with humility in line of spirit of inquiry and open ness of mind . Yes it is true that many of his views changed over time but so it is with everyone. I feel Dr sb in a haste or due to pre conceived notions , did not really do justice to Iqbal . Iqbal most definitely would have many errors , but what Dt sb has against him don't seem to be one of those
I totally agree with you; moreover bringing Imran Khan into it shows his clear bias towards Imran Khan, as it was irrelevant, out of place and unintellectual.
It is the sign of a mature intellect to entertain a thought without accepting it.
-Aristotle
Dear Dr. Hoodbhoy I too have a huge respect for you and often watch your lectures. You are absolutely right about our weakness to worship heroes blindly and passionately. Allama Dr. Iqbal, surely did change his thought process with the passage of time. His work is and must remain open to intellectual scrutiny and indeed fit for critical study. However, Dr. Iqbal has influenced millions of people of all ages and backgrounds and will continue to do so.
On the other hand, I do think your comments related to Imran Khan were out of place, premature and even irrelevant; reflecting your bias against him. Like all human beings IK has made mistakes and will continue to do so.
Perviaz Hoodboy is 100 % right .Those who are living in the past will never accept the explanation of Dr.Pervaiz Hoodboy .They think that whatever they think is all true and there is no other reality outside or in contrary to their thinking .Iqbal was only a local level poet inspired by religious thought nothing more than that .The great thinkers and writers talk about for the good of the mankind ,they never talk in a narrow domain of a religious philosophy
Agreed.
It true that in early Allama Iqbal liked philosophy but soon he realized that its speed is too slow to grasp each and every fact of life, as philosophy doesn't accept solution (event though looks valid) unless it finds its source and chain of actions which yielded it. Due to this Iqbal shifted himself from Aql to Dil (love) because love abruptly goes result to the result to analyze it.
In short, philosophy has source-oriented and love has a result-oriented approach to reach a conclusion.
That's why Allama Iqbal said:
عقل کو تنقید سے فرصت نہیں
عشق پر اعمال کی بنیاد رکھ
It also doesn't mean that Allama Iqbal didn't like logic, in fact, he encouraged Muslims to analyze even religious facts with logic so they can escape from the jaw of Molvies. But once you're done with it, take love as your guide so it can exponentiate your pace
Allam iqbal ko yeh hood bhai jesy maghrib zada log kesy samjh sakty hain
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that about Allama Iqbal:
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Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that about Allama Iqbal:
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مشرق سے ہو بیزار، نہ مغرب سے حزر کر ۔۔ قدرت کا اشارہ ہے کہ ہر شب کو سحر کر اقبال
Dr Parvez,Thank you so much for giving us your valuable speeches.
Sometimes in a joint families a situation comes people of the family make different kitchens and work in different places for revenue,inspite of that those families living together and get many advantages of joint families. Similarly can we think an unique model in Indian sub continent where everything will be discussed openly on humatarian basis and we can work together for the benefits of its people. In this way we can save our wealth and heavy expenses on arms.we don't have scarcity of natural resources as well as brain.my indication is India,Pakistan,Bangladesh,Bhutan Nepal and Afghanistan.
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Simply marvelous. It needs rational mind to understand the context
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My foot rational mind.
A disbeliever mind who want to spend life by his own rules yeah will surely believe in this bs.
@@anwarahmad7076 Thank You very much.
These refutations are necessary to protect the ideology of Pakistan.
فلسفی کو بحث کے اندر خدا ملتا نہیں
۔
ڈوور کو سلجھا رہا ہے اور سرا ملتا نہیں۔
لماو وٹ دا شیٹ
Bht khoob,
شاید اسے عشق بھی نہ سمجھے/ جس کرب میں عقل مبتلا ھے (رئیس امروہوی)
What a rational and logical lecture.. Unless Pervaidhoodbhoy's thoughts are cultivated in our universities, we can not move forward
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that Allama Iqbal was not a philosopher:
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Sir the concept of infinite series is that in remote sensing we take analysis through pic from outside of earth in space in single picture not vedio if light can stop then we watch all dimension quickly like in remote sensing pic analysis is reasonable then vedio like Michelson speed of light experiment
Before blindly prejudging Dr Hoodbhoy as a biased, secular, non-muslim, etc. Just try to objectively think about what he has said and whether is there any truth in what he is saying?
Peraiz Hoodboy is 100% right ,
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that about Allama Iqbal:
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Instead of criticizing Iqbal about his religious/spiritual beliefs, should caution the people that do not consider Iqbal a scientist. Iqbal is a relgious philosopher and thinker.
Philosophy is not a technology which measure the technical angel of the scenario philosophy is living things in all knowledge and for the realistic philosophy you have to add your self in the tree to draw a philosophy about tree
her insaan k bahut sare point of view hote hy jo change dheere dheere ho skte hy ....hame us hisaab se or history k us waqt k hisab se judge krna chahhiye na ki aaj k parameter se ....
As per Prof. Hoodbhoy, India could advanced a lot in the field of Science. Why? What I think Pakistan is too much concerned about India. I sometime read Dawn newspaper , in that newspaper I notice that your paper covers a lot of news about India, though negative. But in India we really do not care what Pakistan is doing every day. So forget about animosity , it is only a tool to divert ordinary people to deviate from main problems. You had Prof.Salam, you have Prof. Hoodbhoy , so take their wisdom to develop your country. Best wishes from Kolkata, India.
Those are planted news by Pakistani establishment.
Absolutely. Indians never discuss Pakistan. I have never heard the name Pakistan on any news channel, in any political rally. I am amazed why no Indian political leader ever talks about Pakistan. Never heard the name Pakistan from Modi or Yogi G.
You will never ever heard the word Pakistan on channels like India Today, Aaj Tak, Republic Tv. Surprising.
Guys We have to stand up to defend The Greatest Personality Allamah Iqbal from these Fools.
میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
@@ashirameer4759 بھائی یہ جو پروفیسر ثمود بھائی ہے لعنتی حقدار یہ تو ماچس کی تیلی بھی نہیں ہے
ذِکر وفِکر
یہ ہیں سب ایک ہی سالِک کی جُستجو کے مقام
وہ جس کی شان میں آیا ہے ’عَلَّم الاسما‘
مقامِ ذکر، کمالاتِ رومیؔ و عطّارؔ
مقامِ فکر، مقالاتِ بوعلیؔ سِینا
مقامِ فکر ہے پیمائشِ زمان و مکاں
مقامِ ذکر ہے سُبحانَ ربیّ الاعلیٰ
Kiska kalaam he ye janab
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Allama Iqbal
Would you jump into the burning fire or find logics and evade the matter ??? Are you more intelligent than the prophets...
Literally emotions has no comparison with reason..
اقبال نے فلسفے کو نئی جہت بخشی ہے فلسفے کے زیرِ بحث بہت سے سوالات کو اقبال نے نئے معنی دئیے ہیں کیونکہ وہ اسرارِ حقیقت سے واقف تھے۔
Sorry to say Dr Parvez sir Modi ji , our dearest pm , does not talk foolish things about science as you mentioned. Yes ! during vedic times India contributed a lot to science like in surgery(by sushrita) , astronomy, mathematics, Aurveda etc etc India before islamic invasions had five world class universities ,which you know, these invaders destroyed otherwise you would had more proof in hand to appreciate achievements of vedic time.
I sincerely admire your love for science & your efforts to educate people of Pakistan about the importance of science. Please keep up the good work..... congratulations from my side to you for your contribution in raising the awarness for science & feeling of universal brotherhood....
He did
So Deepak, are you going to and taking your family to Ayurvedic medicine? It is quite laughable that people like you brag about past but has no proof to prove its truth.
Iqbal wasn't a philosopher. He was islamic and pakistani poet .
Well argued, thought provoking lecture.
Maybe he is right because Iqbal was not a polymath. He did much for the nation building though which is enough. It is great sorrow that no one like Iqbal came after him. If couple of guys like him existed in our society. The result would have been different and we might be a developed state.
Anyway my question to Hoodbouy is that why he is making comments on it. Although I am great admirer of him. Why he take part in every other issue which is not even his domain. Science, religion, history, Analyst, Activist and now in the Philosophy.
Jinko pathroun se humne bnaya sanm
Wo khuda hogy dekhty delhty
Iqbal actually was not totally and literally against the science. It was just the preference for emotions over intellect. He too is the supporter of intellect but don't totally rely on the physicality of the world۔
Even the scientist of todays world have declared that the world have some other dimensions far from the physical dimension and near to the metaphysics۔ Intellect is something we should use wisely and cautiously not totally relying on it۔
As he said;
عقل سپر عشقِ ہے شمشیر تری
میرے درویش خلافت ہے جہانگیر تیری
اقبال کی واحد غلطی مغربی تہذیب کی مخالفت ہے کیونکہ آج کل کے جدید لوگ اس سے جنون کی حد تک مرعوب ہیں
ماشاءاللہ بالکل صحیح فرمایا آپ نے ❤❤❤
پر ترے نام پہ تلوار اٹھائی کس نے
بات جو بگڑی ہوئی تھی، وہ بنائی کس نے
تھے ہمیں ایک ترے معرکہ آراوں میں
خشکیوں میں کبھی لڑتے، کبھی دریاوں میں
بنایا حرم کی کنیزیں کفار کی بہو بیٹیوں۔ ماؤں بہنوں کو کس نے
لوٹا تیرے نام پر ان کی عبادتگاہوں کو کس نے
ڈھائے مندر ۔ بنائیں مسجدیں ان پر کس نے
دیں اذانیں کبھی یورپ کے کلیساوں میں
کبھی افریقہ کے تپتے ہوئے صحراوں میں
کلمہ پڑھتے تھے ہم چھاوں میں تلواروں کی
اسی لئے تو کہلائے امن و صلح کے دلدار فقط ہم ہی ۔
Balance speech
"......The mathematical conception of continuity as infinite series applies not to movement regarded as an act, but rather to the picture of movement as viewed from the outside."
Imagine you're watching a car move on a road. When you look at it, you see the car moving smoothly, without any sudden jumps or stops. This is what mathematicians call "continuity," which means that there are no breaks or gaps in the movement.
Now, let's say that instead of watching the car itself, you're looking at a series of photographs that were taken one after the other as the car moved. If you look at each photo separately, you might see some jumps or gaps between them, like when the car briefly stops at a red light or changes direction. But if you look at all the photos together, one after the other, you'll see the car moving smoothly from one photo to the next.
This is what the statement means by "the picture of movement as viewed from the outside." The continuity of the car's movement is not about the individual moments or actions of the car, but rather the overall impression you get when you look at the whole sequence of photos. Similarly, in math, continuity is often described as an infinite series, which means that even if you zoom in very closely to a particular point on a curve or line, the overall pattern of the curve or line remains smooth and unbroken.
Very proud to have Dr. Hoodbhoy serving in Pakistan.
As a rational thinker; I feel that his lecture lacked in fact and figures and cherry picked only few of things. Rather mostly it is his personnel notions about Iqbal. Iqbal is only person who asked for modernization in Islamic knowledge in the last century. He was very much inspired by the Syed Ahmed khan as well. Total biased lecture. He didn't have any clue about the "Khudi" as well. He is giving his own interpretation to it.
Rebuttal to Pervez Hoodbhoy's false claims about Alama Iqbal:
ua-cam.com/video/8xwKfgUnQc4/v-deo.html
drive.google.com/file/d/1USnwidaaKhGpLNRZIFGaPX2mSC3kgPA_/view?usp=drivesdk
Amazing
Even scholars of Ghamidi level seem to misunderstand versus of Quran where there is a hint of spirituality. I think the same is the case with Dr Iqbal s works.....
I am big admirer of Dr. Parvej. It is unfortunate watching negative comment on Dr. Parvej. Pakistan has not even respect Dr. Abdus Salam Nobel prize winner only because he was Ahmadiya. Unfortunate and shameful.
JAI HIND.
Dr parvaiz hoodboy is great.
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims about Allama Iqbal:
ua-cam.com/video/8xwKfgUnQc4/v-deo.html
میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
@@anwarahmad7076
میں یہ پوچھتا ہوں کہ اس کا کوئی ایک کام بتا دیں کہ جس کو کچھ سمجھا جاسکے یا کسی نے اس کو کچھ سمجھا ہو۔اپنا سودا بیچنے کےلئے اس سودے کو مارکیٹ سے کچھ منفرد کرنا پڑتا ہے تب جا کر زیادہ خریدار آتے ہیں یہی کام یہ ناکارہ بندہ کر رہا ہے اگر اس نے سائنس پے کچھ توجہ دی ہوتی تو شاید کسی قابل بن جاتا مگر اسے فلسفی و مفکر بننے کی خواہش ہے ۔ ڈاکٹر اقبال کے فلسفے سے انگریزوں کے متاثر ہونے کا اس بات سے اندازہ لگایا جاسکتا ہے کہ انھوں نے ہے ان کی پہلے کتابوں کی انگلش ٹرانسلیشن کی اور "سر" کا خطاب دیا۔جبکے اس کو جانتا ہی کون ہے۔ پہلے ڈاکٹر اقبال کے آدھے جتنا بھی کام کر لے ۔سورج کو چراغ دکھانے والی بات ہے بلکہ چراغ بھی نہیں یہ تو چھوٹی سی موم بتی ہے
when taking away a sinking boat, it is best to have another boat with which to replace it, to ease the transfer of people's minds. iqbal was certainly no philosopher. if not, then, instead of saying he is nothing, perhaps it would find kinder ears if we were to propose that iqbal should more accurately be described as a theologian.
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that Allama Iqbal was not a philosopher:
ua-cam.com/video/8xwKfgUnQc4/v-deo.html
Does the Quran support The Theory of Reincarnation? By : [Khurram Shahzad] Reincarnation, a religious belief in essence, is adopted by millions of people worldwide. The concept promotes cyclic rebirths based on the transmigration of the human soul from one physical body to another. The dictionary meaning of the word reincarnation is 'coming back in the flesh'. The process of reincarnation allegedly continues until the soul reaches its full maturity and perfection when it joins its source - God or the 'Universal Soul'.
The Karma is defined as a kind of debt that one incurs as a result of his/her actions during a lifetime. If the actions are good, the person will have good karma and will be born again in a desirable state. Conversely a bad karma would result in a miserable rebirth. Thus one's condition in life is a direct effect of his/her actions during his/her past life dictated by the law of Karma. Therefore it is a simple case of cause and effect.
The roots of this religious belief can be traced back to ancient Greek and Egyptian philosophy. The Hindu and Buddhist teachings are also centred around this concept. The main idea is the same except for minor variations, that being the constant evolution of the soul until it reaches through trial and error, a state when it can merge back into the 'Universal Soul'. The ancient Egyptians on one hand believed that the dead person returns back to this earth for another life as the same person he/she used to be. Consequently, the pharaoh was buried with all his treasure and wealth intact so that he can claim them back upon his re-birth. The Hindu version of reincarnation is slightly different, whereas the dead pharaoh would return to life as the same person he used to be (the pharaoh), the Hindu version believes that a dead person would not return as the same person he/she used to be, but return as a completely different person but with the same soul. The idea of this paper is not to go into the depth and details of the various beliefs regarding the reincarnation theory, but to present a Quranic perspective of the concept and its validity. Reincarnation is refuted by all the main Monotheistic religions of the world. The reason for this is that it is against their basic teachings of a finite life for the human upon which he/she is judged and rewarded accordingly. If the human is to go through numerous lives, on which life is he/she to be judged? The first life? The last life? The Holy Quran, the last and proven word of God, unequivocally rejects this false religion of reincarnation. Numerous Quranic verses confirm this position regarding the reincarnation concept, they can be classified as follows:
First : The 'barzakh' (barrier) When death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back so that I may do good deeds regarding what I have neglected." But no! This is just a word he utters. A 'barzakh' (barrier) lies behind them until the Day they are resurrected. 23:99-100
The above words confirm that when a person dies, God takes his/her soul while he is still in the process of imploring God for another chance. As soon as the human dies a barrier is immediately in place. This barrier prevents his/her soul from returning to earth. This barrier is maintained until the Day of Resurrection. Second : Number of death's (two death's or one death?) The mention of two deaths and two lives in @ may cause some interpreters to somehow connect the Quranic teachings to the concept of multiple births, however on closer examination we realise that the opposite is true. They said, "Our Lord, You have put us to death twice, and You have brought us to life twice. Now we have confessed our sins, is there any way out?" @
The truth of the matter is that this very verse serves as another solid proof against any such theory. @ traces the progress of our course from the feud in the Heavenly Society (38:69) to the Day of Judgement. We made a covenant with God (5:7) and then we were put to death. That was our First death.
The fact that we were all living in a previous life before being brought to earth is well confirmed in the Quran, for more information on this topic please visit: Why we are here Consequently, the first death ended our life in the previous life which was in God's Kingdom and not here on earth. The second death ends the life of the disbelievers here on earth, hence they say to God: You have put us to death twice, and You have brought us to life twice.
The believers on the other hand do not taste the second death, after the end of their life on earth the angels invite them to enter Heaven, they do not die but move straight to Heaven. For more info on this topic please visit: Righteous do not die Upon our first death, we were brought to this life to be given a further chance to redeem our souls and submit to God's absolute authority. This is our first and only life on earth. The 'one death' for the believers and the 'two deaths' for the disbelievers set the rule that all humans have only one life on earth and that no one returns to earth after their death. This is clearly different from reincarnation which implies multiple lives and deaths for each individual.
Third : Apportioned share in life In this life every human being is apportioned a share in accordance with God's will. The Quran explains this concept in the following verse: And seek, through what God has given you, the Abode of the Hereafter, and do not forget your share of this world. 28:77
This means that God has decreed for each human a share in this earthly life, which is entirely dependent on His will, and has nothing to do with one's actions in previous lives. A concession for multiple lives would violate the concept of a fixed and preset share in this life, this is because each different life would encompass a different share, and not a set share as we read in 28:77. God provides whom He wills without count. @
Once again this verse points to the fact that there is no such thing as a Karma or debt. God out of His infinite mercy gives to whomever He wills without any count. There are always some case studies which may influence one's thinking causing some to believe in such multiple life theories. Many observations and beliefs are based on so called 'past life recall' or 'dejas vu'. Many interpret such occurrences to having been living in a different place and time in a previous life. However, there are many plausible explanations to such phenomenon. One such explanation is the unseen contact with the jinn who could be transferring such visions to us and tricking us into believing that we were alive in a previous life and place. The stories of jinn and their interactions with humans is well documented in the Quran. It is worth noting here that the majority of the jinn are disbelievers, and it is understandable that they would try to trick us into thinking that we have numerous lives, and thus impale the urgency to strive for righteousness in this only life we are given. To conclude, the Quranic evidence against the concept of reincarnation leads us to reject this theory. This life on earth is our only chance for redemption. We should set our goals and priorities straight and seek God's approval through righteousness and good deeds. Contrary to what the devil may want us to believe, we will not get another chance.
Sultan Mahmood Devil wants us to believe in 2nd chances otherwise our psychology will be relax and lazy to utilize & avail this life
@@raheelkhan6066 Thank you for your contribution, my comment denies Reincarnation.
@@raheelkhan6066 I feel contentious toward clean-shaven Muslims, who live a secular lifestyle & still assume they are following Islam & they fallaciously feel close to God.
As a rational thinker, I feel that his lecture is full of fact, figures, logic and reasoning. He is just responding not reacting as most of us do. Iqbal ki men ny kaee kitaben prhi hn, also "reconstruction of religious thought in Islam". He was a confused person not knowing the depth and roots of political and philosophical theories of that time. One can observe him praising communist revolution of Russia (1917) but in the very next moment he starts criticizing Lenin and his revolution. He does not admire scientists but he himself creates a dramatized world for his followers in which everyone lives in hallucination. Sitaron sy agy jahan aur bhi hain, momin wo hai jo sitaron per kamandd daly, momin k ghoron (horses) k pairon ki gard sy sitary att jany chahyen... I have been also indulged in literature, i know how can metaphors and similes be used mgr y chz to sirf logon ko aik khwaab naak c aur sahar angaiz c dunya main ly jati hai aur insan haqeeqat sy door hony lgta hai just as we are doing now. aj tak kitny logon ny sitaron per kamandd dali hai??? bhala humen koi real world men achy sy jeena sikhany wala hai?? kis trhn sy hum as a nation grow kren??? kis trhn sy apny masail hall kren?? kis trhn personally grow kr k achy citizens aur achy human bn ny ki koshish kren? ya bs sitaron per kamand dalny k khwab hi dekhny hain??? He might be a good poet, but neither a good thinker nor a good philosopher. agr ap maghrib aur whan k culture sy itni nafrat krty thy to angraiz official k lye qaseedy q likha krty thy? ap sirf mazhabi intehaa pasando k hero ho skty hn. aik rational, practical thinker hmesha hi "shakhsiyat parasti" so meelon door reh kr sawal uthaye ga aur haqaiq ki gehrai tk phnchny ki poori koshish kry ga. falsafa agr prhna hai to Imaam Shah Wali Ullah ki "Hujjat-ullah-hil-baligha" prh kr dekhen aur Bertrand Russell ki "Philosophical Essays" prh kr dekh len andaza ho jye ga k aik philosopher kon hota hai.
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Please give the exact reference that iqbal not respect Einstein theory. He made critic to his theory!
Plz see idrees azad lecture and also his book ab,aad.
Actually Sir, Dr. Iqbal was right, what is the use of doing of PhD and other things when you are going to die, why not spend your life in the name of Almighty Allah and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH)
Well bro but Ilm is also important so we could or can compete with our enemies like india otherwise we will be in a state of failure.
Allama Iqbal was a islamic phelaspher
Scholars of "Iqbaliat" states 4 stages of "Iqbal's thinking". Each one has a separate distinct character. There is nothing wrong in it. Every thing develops with the passage of time and Iqbal's thoughts are not an exception. We may consider that the last stage in Iqbal's thought was the one he really believe in after gaining a life long experience. That is why, There is nothing wrong if Iqbal has a " Minus X" view in his early age and a "Plus X" view in his Fourth Stage. It is a 180 degree shift, but certainly Iqbal has his right to have it. As for his criticism on Western thoughts, in my humble opinion, iqbal was not against learning from West, However, he believes that the Islam can provide the "drive" necessary to create a thrust in Muslims. The one basic thing our venerable speaker Dr Pervez ignores that even pursuit of knowledge (call it western scientific knowledge) needs a level of dedication that can only be available to preson having a "drive"; in case of Muslims, the essential and the only source for that "drive" be the Islamic thoughts. Even today, Iqbal's thoughts provides the necessary fuel to conquer the new heights in every wake of life.
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For more read Distortion of History of Pakistan.
Iqbal was not against scientific knowledge.he was against the bad
effects of science on the whole hummanity.
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that Allama Iqbal was not a philosopher:
ua-cam.com/video/8xwKfgUnQc4/v-deo.html
The person seems a extreme secular
You will be much respected in India, and the western world which has great respect for intellect
Agr ksi nay IQBAL ki philsophical mind smjhna hy to "the reconstruction of religious thought in islam" parhy thuri msuhkil hy lakin ab ko lag pata chl jae ga ky kya mind tha Iqbal ka, ur science may
IES Bandy main Aik khubi Hai yeh SIRF islam ka mukhalif Hai her speech Main islami zehan ki mukhalfat Karna IES ka shouba hai
Wonderful Dr. 💞
Iqbal did not spoke against philosophy,he was only talking about western philosophy.
Reconstruction of religious thought in Islam give it a reading first before misguiding masses
If I remember correctly, after 9/11, he had written an article, in which he seemed to be mocking the Afghan Taliban for their strategic retreat and weakness in face of overwhelming American and NATO invading forces. He also seemed to be mocking Allama Iqbal’s verse: Kafir hai to shamsheer pai karta hai bharosa , Momin hai to bai tegh bhi larhta hai sipahi. As it turned out, Allama’s verse proved to be correct. Afghan Taliban, with incomparably inferior weaponry and resources, in face of all the high tech weapons and incomparably greater resources of the American superpower and its NATO and other allies, reorganized and came back with very effective guerrilla warfare tactics. The invaders and their puppet government have been defeated for all practical purposes and the Islamic resistance has grown stronger than ever.
I am not an expert on Pervez Hoodbhoy, Allama Iqbal or physics. My scientific background is in many areas of social and biological sciences. I have read some of his articles, some of which are excellent critiques of social and educational problems and institutions in Pakistan. However, when talking about science, Professor Hoodbhoy mostly emphasizes the virtues and positive contributions of modern western science and technology, excluding the disastrous macro-level problems that have been created in the past few centuries by the Advanced Western Capitalist-Imperialist Technocratic Civilization, which are very likely to cause the extinction of human species, as well as most other life forms, on this planet, for example the problems of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction, climate change and global warming, ozone layer depletion in the atmosphere, destruction of the ecology of nature, pollution of air, water, soil, and food, extinction of huge numbers of species due to the actions of modern capitalist and imperialist technocratic humans, ever-increasing militarism and arms race throughout various countries of the world, initiated and perpetuated by the sinister insanity of quest for global domination by the US and NATO imperialism, etc. The professor and almost all the scientists talk positively about the achievements of science and technology, in abstraction and fragmentation from the political economy. However, that is a great fundamental blunder and flaw, which distorts and falsifies the overall reality of what has happened historically. In reality, it is the co-evolution of science and technology, political economy of capitalism, and capitalist and imperialist technocratic human nature, which have created all these diverse macro-level problems.
In addition to the various macro-level problems mentioned above, the co-evolution of science and technology, political economy of capitalism has also created disruptions and imbalances in the inner ecology of human nature, which remain unknown and in the dark. I have attempted to shed some light on these in some of my articles by venturing into the terra incognita. You can read one of those articles through the following link. It was posted on my web site imperialismandthethirdworld.wordpress.com .
imperialismandthethirdworld.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/biosocial-and-epigenetic-relativity-of-human-nature-relative-to-political-economy-technology-and-culture-by-fazal-rahman-phd/
As far as Allama Iqbal is concerned, he had great insights into human nature, western civilization, Islam, history, and philosophy. He most probably rejected the western philosophy, because he found it to be imitating the natural sciences and reducing humans to material objects, under the guise of scientific objectivity. The word Philosophy originated in Greek language, it literally means Love of Wisdom. Allama Iqbal was definitely a philosopher, as he loved and created wisdom, truth, justice, concepts of national liberation, struggle against colonialism and imperialism, the meanings and essences of teachings of Islam, etc. As such he can also be considered as an Islamic social scientist, in spite of the fact that he wrote many of his findings and insights in poetic form, much more holistic than the typical fragmental western scientific form.
As far as his preference for acquiring knowledge through the heart and intuition is concerned, he had a lot in common with Albert Einstein, who also assigned primary importance to intuition in the great scientific discoveries. He considered logic and reason to be of secondary importance in these. I had included his numerous statements in that regard. However, I had to remove them as it went over the limits of space allowed for comments. It also did not allow me to post these in a second comment. If some requests these, I may be able to post these in reply. Professor Hoodbhoy seems to give logic and reason the primary importance in science, which is the opposite of Einstein’s teachings and insights.
.Reason is a very vast and complex subject. From ancient times, some of the best human minds have endeavored to describe its nature, forms, and operations, for example, ancient Greek philosophers, like Aristotle. There are different kinds of logic and reason, formal and dialectical logic, and deductive and inductive reason. In the capitalist west and its imitators, philosophers, scientists, and others are mostly ignorant of dialectical logic and do not use it in their reasoning, hypotheses, and theories. Dialectical logic, dealing with contradictions, their development, synthesis, and resolution, had achieved its highest development in the philosophy of German philosopher, Hegel. It was later used by Karl Marx, Lenin, and other Marxists in the development and elaboration of their theories and epistemology. They also used other forms of logic and reason, mentioned above, but integrated these within the comprehensive sphere of dialectical logic.
The results of use of Reason in science and technology under capitalism are alienated from their producers and are monopolized by the capitalist class, which has developed its own version of Reason, the Capitalist Reason. Combined together, these constitute the Capitalist Technological Rationality, in which the authenticity and wholesomeness of Human Rationality is mutilated and deformed, on the altar of profit, power, and domination interests of the capitalist and imperialist classes. All the achievements of science and technology are molded into that all-encompassing framework. That is what has created all the extremely disastrous macro-level problems, some of which, like the climate change, are already irreversible, in spite of the feeble lullabies of a relatively small section of scientific community, the UN, and international conferences. From all the numerous scientific reports, it is totally clear that the pollutions, climate change, and global warming, as well as other macro-level problems, are worsening rapidly, instead of getting any better.
I appreciate you effort👍. He quoted many things out of context from iqbal.
Raj Narayanan you started with. Science has nothing to do with capitalism. 🙈 i am stunned. Its called political science, a branch of social sciences. Science is a broader term, not only what physics, chemistry, math and biology.
@Raj Narayanan You are astoundingly ignorant of the whole history of the development of science and capitalism, as well as their contemporary reality. This is my only response to an ignorant and arrogant person like you. Combination of ignorance, arrogance, and inadequate knowledge precludes the possibility of any logical and factual communication. After writing my above comment, this is the first time I have visited here.
Science never existed or developed in isolation. It was always integrated within the politico-economic systems that funded various branches of it in their own interests and directions. Science and scientists have always been and continue to be dependent on such funding by their ruling classes. Under capitalism and imperialism, almost all of them work for the capitalist and imperialist ruling classes and corporations, which monopolize the results of their discoveries for their profits and power interests. For example, according to the data of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (based in Paris), cited by Professor Melman, 63 percent of the research and development activity of a total of 700,000 scientists, engineers and technicians working in the U.S. during 1967 was on behalf of the military (Melman, S. 1970. Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War. New York, St. Louis, San Francisco, Toronto: McGraw-Hill Book Company). This percentage, as well as huge expenditures on military research and development, have increased since then. In terms of income and benefits, this section of the scientific establishment belongs to its upper class and its economic interests are tied in with those of capitalism, imperialism, militarism, and wars, for which it has provided all the essential material and technical foundations, weapons, means that are used for the development and maintenance of international relations of imperialism, domination, and exploitation, as well as of domestic capitalist relations of production and class divisions, domination, and repression. Therefore, it is the most conservative and right-wing of all the other various sections of the scientific establishment. This section has also provided the basis on which the global arms race and trade have constantly flourished and have reached truly sinister dimensions. This section constitutes the real intellectual-technical basis of all the merchants and merchandise of death, all the weapons of mass destruction, and all the high technology wars, in which countless millions have been slaughtered, injured, and economically destroyed in numerous ways. The worst is yet to come. The Third World War will certainly annihilate the whole human species, as well as most other forms of life.
Global warming; ozone layer depletion; and pollution of air, water, soil, and food are some of the other great accomplishments of the “enlightened” technological humans, mass produced in the Advanced Capitalist-Imperialist Technocratic Societies (ACITS). Some of these disastrous changes, especially the climate change and ozone layer depletion, are already irreversible, in spite of the sinister lullabies, lies, and pretensions of the controllers of the political, economic, and industrial establishments. Overwhelming majorities of the populations of ACITS, as well as their Third World clients, are also complacent in this greatest mass suicidal frenzy towards the Great Abyss.
@@adeelsarfraz1226 You are absolutely right. Raj Narayan is not only ignorant of the developmental history of natural and social sciences, he is also positing himself as the authority to determine what is science and what is not. He seems not to know that in the history of western science, there were great debates and strong reactions to imposition of the methodologies of natural sciences on social and human sciences, as, even though humans are part of nature, they also have their own unique human nature and human consciousness, which require methodologies that are appropriate to their studies and social relations. It is very unlikely that Raj knows that one of the greatest scientists of all times, Albert Einstein, was a socialist and he wrote about the developmental dynamics of science and political economy under capitalism and socialism. Also, the late Dr. Barry Commoner, one of the most important American environmental scientists and founder of the environmental movement, had similarly exposed the connection between capitalism and environmental and ecological destruction. He had also arrived at the conclusion that such problems can be prevented and solved under socialism. Numerous Marxist scientists and philosophers, including Marx himself and Lenin, have also written extensively on such dynamics. In view of all the knowledge that has been accumulated, it is absurd and bizarre to deny, as Raj does, that political economy or scientific philosophy are not sciences.
Parvez Hoodbhoy of all people should know that matter did receive a blow from Einstein. Before Einstein, mass (made of matter) was considered to be an absolute quantity (constant) but he proved that there also exists relativistic mass that tends to vary (variable) w.r.t. speed (before it was thought to be impossible for mass/matter to be variable)
Iqbal was wrong to reject Einstein but Hoodbhoy misunderstood and misrepresented Iqbal's criticism entirely.
Read asharyiah philosophy.
واہ، بہت اچھا کہا
اللہ آپکو ہدائیت دیں محترم استاد۔ آپکی آنکھوں ۔۔دل و دماغ کے دریچے ابھی نہی کھلے اسی لئے آپ کو وہ نظر نہی آ رہا جو ایک ایمان کی حرارت والے شخص کو نظر آ جاتا ہے۔ اللہ آپکی عقل کے بند دریچے کھول دیں۔سائنس کی ترقی اپنی جگہ لیکن کیا اس ترقی کے بعد ہونے والے نقصانات آپکو نظر نہی آتے؟؟؟ شیطان اور شیطانیت نے دلوں پہ مہر لگا دی ہے لوگوں کے۔ اب آخرت میں اللہ کے حضور پیش ہونا آپ نے اسلئے اللہ کو بھی راضی کر لیں دنیا اور اپنے نفس کو تو راضی کر لیا آپ نے۔ ایک معصومانہ سوال آپ سے کہ کلوننگ پہ ویٹی کن اور پوپ کی طرف سے پابندی کیوں لگائی گئی ہے؟؟ اسی لئے نا کہ انسانیت کو خطرہ ہے۔ آج ارٹیفیشل انٹیلی جنس جو سائنس کی ترقی کا نتیجہ ہے انسانیت کے لئے خطرہ نہی کیا؟؟؟ جتنا پیسہ ہم انسانوں نے کائینات کی تلاش میں ضائع کر دیا اس سے انسانیت کی کتنی خدمت ہو سکتی تھی بتائیں؟؟؟ اور کیا حاصل ہوا خلا میں جانے سے؟؟ آج مغرب جس بے راہ روی کا شکار ہے اور اسکے ثمرات اسلامی ممالک تک بھی پہنچ رہے ہیں کیا وہ صحیح ہے؟؟ ہم جنس پرستی۔فحاشی ۔گناہ عام ہے۔
haha
Ayad akhtar kya khayal he sar tan se juda na karain is hoodbhoi ka 😂😂😂😂😂😂
اقبال فلسفی تھے فلسفہ کے اس پار سے نکلے تھے عقل، دلیل، دانش اور آزادی رائے کے حقائق سے واقف تھے چونکہ آپ خود اقرار کرتےہو کہ انہوں نے فلسفہ کی ڈگری بھی حاصل کی وہ بھی مغرب سے مغرب میں داخلہ ملنا مشکل ہے ڈگری حاصل کرنا تو دور کی بات ہے مگر اقبال نے تو حاصل کیا مگر پھر اسے فتح کرکے اس پر لعنت بھی بھیجا اور اصل دلیل، عقل آزادی رائے اور اصول زندگی کو دین اسلام اور قرآن سمجھا ۔۔۔ جس طرح حدیث مبارکہ ہے "الکیس من دان نفسہ وعمل لما بعد الموت" اس حدیث مبارکہ میں عقل مند کون ہے؟؟؟؟؟ فلسفی کون ہے؟؟؟؟؟ جناب آپ کا فیلڈ بھی فزکس ہے نہ کہ دین اور فلسفہ یہ اقبال کا موضوع ہے جس طرح اقبال نے سائنس نہیں پڑھا تو آپ نے بھی مذھب اور فلسفہ نہیں پڑھا ؟؟؟ وہ سائنس کو نہیں سمجھے اور تم فلسفے کو نہیں سمجھے بس۔۔۔
but the point is, why Dr. Iqbal so changed after coming back from Europe, when normally people adapt to those circumstances?
Bcoz he saw naked booty and big ass there
Firdous Jo Tera Hai, Kisi Ne Nahin Dekha
Afrang Ka Har Qariya Hai Firdous Ki Manand
Mr Parvez has touched a sensitive matter here and to be honest, he has destroyed Allama Iqbal there.
www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/indian-scientists-decry-infuriating-scheme-study-benefits-cow-dung-urine-and-milk
Superb Sir...
Thought full....
What a great talk! My Urdu isn't very good, but I still learned a lot.
ahle dil ny usy dhonda usy mehsoos kia
aqal waly sochty hi rahy khuda hai ya nahi
You didn't understand the Iqbal what will you understand the philosophy ??? You are also a scientist not a philosopher ??? Plz Continue your services in the field of science....don't missguid the new upcoming generation..
Great
Hamza vs hoodbhoy dekhlen ek martaba
Qazi Merajuddin Hamza ney hoodbhoy ki pool khol di 🤣
@@thephilosophermma8449
haan bro 😄😄😄
Just first two chapters
Science MN ikhtalaf kaon se bataen to sain poora khutba send Karen plz
We can only criticize our elder doing nothing. Now there is fashion to support west and criticize east and Islam.
I highly respect and value prof: Hoodbhoy's intellect but i will agree to disagree with him on one point where he says that Allama Iqbal closed the doors of fresh scientific thought or change for Muslims and confined them to the customary stagnant religious thought. To begin Allama Iqbal shared a common opinion with Sir sayyid Ahmed Khan on matter of fresh orientation of religion and demanded that the religious experience should be reconstructed with the development of scientific experience so I will negate prof: Hoodbhoy's accusations on Iqbal by Sharing Iqbal's own words from the same book quoted by Prof: Hoodbhoy and will prove that Iqbal welcomed science and demanded that religious thought must also be reinvigorated by Scientific change as he says, " New points of view have been suggested, old problems have been restated in the light of fresh experience, and new problems have arisen. It seems as if the intellect of man is outgrowing its own most fundamental categories__Time, space, and causality. With the advance of scientific thought even our concept of intelligibility is undergoing a change. The theory of Einstein has brought a new vision of the universe and suggests new ways of looking at the problems common to both religion and philosophy. No wonder then that the younger generation of Islam in Asia and Africa demand a fresh orientation of their faith". reference; Reconstruction of Religious thought in Islam, chapter; Knowledge and Religious experience, page(15). Hope respected Prof: Hoodbhoy will revisit Iqbal's writings with an unbiased bent of mind.
He took criticism of Avicena and Farabi at face value. Poetry is never understood like this. Using words 'Sina o farababi' here was just a symbol of 'unguided' enormous logic.
And u r just a symbol of how gando Nabi laudakhor tattikhor Muhammad used to take 72 sahabas lulli in his islami ghazi badboodar pichwada while raising them in air 5 times a day while oinking Allah ki gaand me lulli ho akbar 😂😂
Focus on your quantum physics this is not your topic ND you know nothing about Iqbal and also philosophy I don't want to criticize u more because you have a good knowledge about science that's the only reason to ignore you
9:03 am I the only one who thinks Parvez sab us doing wrong interpretation of Shair
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims that about Allama Iqbal:
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We can criticize Iqbal that why he did not start a movement for Muslims to excell in sciences. Iqbal was not a scientist. Was this his job to preach Science??? Parvez is right in saying that Iqbal should not be considered a scientist. But did Iqbal ever claim to b scientist ?? Does anyone else ever believe that Iqbal was scientist.??
جو شخص مختلف ادوار میں فلسفے کے رجحانات پر مقالہ لکھ کر ڈاکٹریٹ کرتا ہے اس کو فلسفے کا. علم نہیں اور آپ کو ہے
Mere khayal chura liya apne😂
ماشاءاللہ بالکل ٹھیک کہا آپ نے۔
صبح ازل مجھ سے کہا جبرائیل نے
جو عقل کا ہو غلام وہ دل نہ کر قبول
Alhamdolillah this is Hadrat Allama Iqbal's wonderful opinion about عقل intelligence, rationality and intellect which are the basis of all true knowledge.
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MashaAllah unkay khiyal mein aql ki yeh vukat thi. Yehi vajah hai k aaj Ummat Muslima nay aql ko talaq de di hai aur hum dunya k sab say ziyada kamyab log hein. Allah SWT ka lakh lakh shukr.
aaj saari dunya maanti hai k hum mussalman dunya ki behtareen ummat hein. Sara jahan hum par hasad aur rashk karta hai.
Alhamdolillah ❤❤❤
Dua karein k Rab-ul-Izzat Khaliq-e-Qainat hamein himmat ata farmaye aur humm aql ko apni zindagion se nikal bahir phenkein.
Ameen soum Ameen ❤❤❤
21:30 iqbal ny 0 zero science parhi the???? How hood bhai know that?? Lol
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This person so called scientists is mean scientists in our India you find much better professor in every universities and colleges Dr Iqbal was honored doctorate from Germany on Persian philosophy he also studied in Sanskrit up to graduation all records are available nearly thousands and thousands books were written on him .in different languages India translated even in marathi malayalam Tamil it is pity his Image is tarnished by thi s pseudo scientists secondly he is not only person who praised queen you will find so many great leaders at that time
سائینس نے کب کھا کہ خدا کا انکار کرو
Very much misunderstood by the presenter and intentionally adopted materialistic approach. Must have treated it with spiritually in context it with eternity of soul vis a vis matter.
Apny konsa teer mara hea
پرویز صاحب آپ علامہ مشرقی کو کیوں نہیں پڑھتے ہیں؟ علامہ صاحب بار بار لوگوں کو سائنس پر توجہ دینے کی یاد دلاتے رہے .. پاکستان اور ہندوستان میں ایسا کوئی دانشور نہیں ہے جس کا علامہ مشرقی سے تقابل کیا جاسکے۔ آپ ہمیشہ ان کی بات کرتے ہیں جو برطانوی ایجنٹ تھے۔
Iqbal was Islamic Philosopher..He was not scientist. Criticism of Iqbal that he was not scientist does not make any sense. Iqbal did not say that science should not be studied. Iqbal was spiritualist, ----Islamic spitritualist.
Islamic philosopher is oxymoron. Islam is opposite of philosophy. All Philosopher who came up in islamic world were deemed murtad
Physics ka professor allama iqbal pe tanqeed karta hy jahil
Rebuttal to Prof Hoodbhoy's false claims about Allama Iqbal:
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@@niqabkhanabtc you are more foolish then Huoodboy.
His criticism of Iqbal that he did not talk about Science--is it appropriate? True that Iqbal was not scientist, he never claimed to be scientist. I do not think that any person should consider, or ever considers him a scientist anyway. So criticism that he was not scientist does not make much sense. Did Iqbal ever say that we should not educate ourselves in science.??
Kam aqal insaan ap ki apni oqat Kia hay ? Jo Iqbal k baray may fazool goee kar rahay ho
bilkul out of context batien nikal kar wo bhi wo batien ju unky betay nay likhy hy wo 1919 may ur 1919 kay bad ju iqbal ka kam hy wo phalsafy ur scinece ka un waqhto ka meray atebar bhtren kam hy, ju ky ab sting theory may bhi istemal hua.
Iqbal RA is only saying that he does not like WESTERN philosophy (Europe ka falsafa-12:07) and he is not talking about the philosophy as whole.
He has raised some very significant issues about Iqbal's knowledge and wisdom but one thing is so obvious.Mr Hoodbhoy has got zero education and knowledge of Philosophy,being a professor of Physics so how can he judge Iqbal who has got P.HD in metaphysics...Lol, a logical fallacy...
lol you dont understand what metaphysics is
@@iamworstgamer Lallu I do...lol
Lol then how can you compare both?
@@iamworstgamer Lallu Pershad I am not interested but Hoodbhoy is like abba dabba khabba in its so called fake expertise in Philosophy...
dude have some respect, I haven't disrespected you. Try to learn some manners before calling me lallu and all. And I request you to learn about difference between physics an philosophy. It is because of physics you can even type this comment not because of philosophy. If you are wrong then accept it do not be stubborn. It is not the way to move forward. Please don't reply if you cannot make a rational conversation without using such words.
8:00 basis of his 1hr speech. philosophy ki apni definition. apni apni definition py tu einstein ko bhi scientis ni keh skty. poor criteria
Parvez Hoodboy is complaining that why Iqbal is not a scientist. Iqbal never claimed to b scientist. Iqbal is poet, thinker, and Islamic spiritualist, and Islamic philosopher. Calling him and criticizing him for not being a scientist is really not necessary. He says that he was awarded Ph.D in philosophy---- and then he says he was not philosopher!
What a dishonest analysis
Iqbal condemned European philosophy ,not the philosophy in general.
This speaker, as every body knows , is biased against religion and religious people .
Iqbal never denied the matter he said that Einstein has changed the concept of matter drastically which he did ...
Not a right person to speak on Iqbal ....in fact its pathologic to ask him to speak on Iqbal
Wo kis lehaz se keh raha hae wo bhi samjhna chahye
Kamal e fikar bu-Ali seena & Kamal e Zikar Rumi aor Attar
iss mn to sahih baat clear hae
Wohi to keh rha konsa wala Iqbal?
Okay now here is the analysis of your objections (link attached ) Dr sb! please now spend sometime to know what was actually written, yahan mostly bherh chaal he hen werna they would have asked you hundreds of question
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This proffssr did not understand IQBAL 's Philosphy.... therefore he is criticizing him... shamefull
pseudo philosopher bhai iqbal ny ye kahan kaha k mmatter energy interchange wrong ha. he just said k blow einstein ki taraf se aya and thats right. it was blow at tht moment, contrary to old belief k matter energy separate entities hain.
Ap sirf ek perspective se dekh rahe hn