I don't know you or your channel, but I wish you the best of luck. Being a Pastor seems very stressful, and some of these comments are ignorant and judgmental. It seems like a tough situation to be in, but I hope it turns out well for you.
How can a pastor be advocating the queer community that goes against biblical you preach to them and by God’s grace, they may repent and be converted because that is very necessary to leave your past life behind
Well, I can promise you that most people who are LGBQT+ did not make a "Decision" to be that way. I've known two gay guys that tell me how it was from childhood that they felt gay. They did not choose to become gay. Both looked kindof feminine, so I think it's some type of genetic defect that occurs during pregnancy where the fetus does not get enough male testosterone from the mother. So, it makes the baby's brain confused (when it is born) because it is male-body but female-brain, and that's what I think gay children are. And, vice versa for the lesbians. So, it's not some MORAL CHOICE ... ha ha ha; if you think that, then you are really ignorant of how they feel. I know people that say they would do ANYTHING, almost anything, to be normal; but, in their minds, they know that they are born different. So, religion is a man-made construct that happened before Science could understand these things, so the Church has to update its morality and realize that LGBQT+ people aren't sinners and evil and demon-possessed (as my Pastor taught). That's sin and evil to say that about people.
God could appear before you and say ... "I am God." But you wouldn't know the difference. "De-converted" people were never actually "converted" in the first place. You were never really much of a pastor. You were only a "salesman." You turned your pearl of great price into a lump of lead.
@@PoeLemic - Speed up the process, and just tell me: I'm not going to read your mind. If you were a millionaire, and you lost your millions, then does that somehow mean you were never actually a millionaire?
Cool, now you're free to think outside human traditions. Dwell on the simplicity of the life of Christ. The church is God's people...wherever you find us. Pastor us who've left the organisation to follow Jesus...wherever he goes!
@@outofthepulpit We're called to be true to God not ourselves. I don't know you but I agree, you probably needed to step down from the ministry. You want to be a politician not a pastor. After the election of Donald Trump I never want to hear another pastor talk about politics again. Those of us who did not support him then and now lost our whole church family. I don't support gays in the pulpit or women. I want to hear the word of God not opinions. I have twitter for that.
@@BLFulle Well, many Christian denominations have respect and support for people with different sexual orientations (i.e., LGBQT+ individuals). And, try to open your heart to them, instead of "turning it hard" and thinking that they are fallen, lustful, and living lives of sin. Trust me. I've known people who were gay or lesbian, and they are great people. Nothing wrong with them at all. Just a mind/body-connection that makes them have a different sexual orientation. That's all. So try to show them love, just like the CHurch learned to do for BLACK PEOPLE after the 1950's and 1960's when the Government forced Americans to no longer discriminate against them and allowed to have equal facilities. So, the LGBQT+ is just the next taboo to overcome for society ... and for the Church, too.
@@PoeLemic My best friend led me to the Lord 40 years ago. She was gay. I went to see her one day and found her crying. When I asked her why she said she realized "the way she loved was an offense to the Lord". I told her there was nothing wrong with being gay. She was broken and crying. She told me never to contradict what God has told her again.." I miss her so much. She died a few years ago. She understood God in a deeper way than most people ever will. We can accept a sinner who is willing to repent, We must reject those who come into the church with an agenda to convert Chritians to a demonic agenda.
Confusion, confusion and confusion, biblical foundations are being destroyed. Who is a pastor????????? I understand why Jesus said “I never knew you” not in attack on you but all of you “men made pastors ”
This is a good example of carnal Christian. Video tapping once’s self for some weird reason, and this false belief that God uses your failures for His glory nonsense.
(I'm not saying this is your case because I dont know you, but in general ) Sadly This happens when to be a "PASTOR" is man made calling not called and prepared by the Holy Spirit alone... When the LORD calls, he fully prepared and his burden is light and easy! Be blessed!
Don't feel too disappointed. Timothy was with Paul for over 10 years before he began to Pastor a church, and did not begin until he was older, which seems very different now with so many young men trying Pastor churches.
Plus all the overthinking is exhausting. Being anxious that you are doing things right. People need to get over the way that God interacts with gay people. They don’t have to fit your processes. The traditions of church and the love of Christ can often conflict and that is sad!
Political? What you believe is political,knowing Jesus does not mean you cant be political, We do what we believe, call it political, call it religion, call it what you want to but the fact is we all do what we believe!
You were not called to be Pastor Sir. Pastors are paid, servants. They tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. You were called to be a Prophet. Prophets are truth-tellers-Telling people what God had instructed you to say to them. There is a difference- understand the difference. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don’t quit. Redefine and recognize your true calling. Ephesians 4:11. What are the qualities of the Prophet? Truthfulness. Courage. Faithfulness/trust when the deaf and the blind refuse to hear or see. You are preaching to itching ears (2 Timothy 4). You have been positioned in the wrong place. 'Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (Matthew 7:6). This is exactly what happened to you and what has also happened to many who were also called. Search your heart and ask God for direction. Go fast and pray. after that change your location and start a new season in a different location.
Hey, man, God bless you. Well done for being so brave courageous in this matter. God will still be with you and you don't need the pomp and formality of the ministry and the capital-C Church to serve God and other people... y'know, like Jesus told us to. For what it's worth, I'm in a similar boat. I'm not ordained yet (I served in a semi-ordained role in a previous parish) and am due to be attending seminary this September, but the Church has, honestly fucked me over so many times that I'm at my wit's end, and feel like I'm going to have a nervous breakdown if I don't get some distance from it all. I've been in a couple of different denoms (currently C of E, i.e. grandaddy Episcopalian) and I've been neglected, ignored, fobbed off, sidelined etc. I'm at breaking point, and there is nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. It can be hard when you feel called to ordination, but if the Church is actually diminishing your love for God and folk, taking a break is no bad thing. Don't lose heart. You seem like a lovely guy and things will work out for you in the end. It's all about agape at the end of the day. Love from across the pond, brother. Godspeed.
Stop looking for religion and seek a relationship with Jesus and with the Father through Him. You are looking in all the wrong places... you should know God hates profanity... why do you choose to speak that way?
Too political? Jesus was political. If u speak to any justice issues, you have to be political. Poltical doesnt mean preaching, "be a republican" or "be a democrat". It means calling for systemic change.
@Be4Him66 again, being political doesn't only mean being for one party. Jesus was political against the system that is corrupt and marginalizes people. What do u think the "kingdom" language is about? A heavenly kingdom, one ruled by God. Again mlk jr is a great example. We are called obey laws if they are just, to resist laws that are unjust...that is being political. You cant solve isms, hunger, poverty, by individual action. It needs to be addressed on a larger scale aka politically.
Thank you for your bravery. I can identify. I've put my UA-cam channel on hiatus because after 2 years and absolutely NO support from my (now former) church. It just wasn't worth it.
@@ChristopherBoormanSpeaks funny because you kinda of dudes think you’re a brand or something. You’ll use everything but actual exposition of scripture to measure your effectiveness or success. So yea LOL
I need to be real with you, pastors cannot be tied to anything politically, because that’s not what they come here to do. Pastors are not come to be politicians. They are coming to be called to deliver the message of the gospel. That means siding with anybody that is sinful is a complete disrespect to the pulpit. It doesn’t matter if it’s conservative or liberal, you need to align yourself with God’s word. I can already tell you if you support social justice issues or LGBT then you shouldn’t even be in any kind of role at a church at all. Not just a pastor, but you shouldn’t be part of any involvement in ministry. Because you’re not aligning yourself with God at that point. We can go over why those two things are unbiblical but I think the point is they were right to let you go for those reasons. With that being said, I would learn from your failure, and if you’re ever interested in ministry, I suggest you go through training. One thing that I will agree with you on though is Pastor should be able to Xpress the truth, but you also need to figure out how to communicate that truth without it being against God’s Word. People need to be very careful even what church to pastor at because not all churches are part of God’s kingdom as a whole and no Pastor’s gonna be able to save that church. Also, it’s not your control rather a church survives or not that is completely up to God. The lack of faith, I think as well a lot of pastors show in their character. The most successful churches out there are going to be your most faithful churches, but again, even the most faithful churches could be subject to failing as well. It’s all about faith and faithfulness because if you’re running the church like a business obviously you’re gonna have anxiety over these things. Churches are not businesses they are places for worship, and that’s how Church is your always be treated. If you have people there, they get ruffled feathers. It’s probably a better choice that they leave your congregation so that you could get people that want to hear the truth and worship God.
You were never called to be a Pastor. A Pastor is a shepherd and oversees the spiritual growth and discipleship of their members. While they may get involved in community outreach and injustice, that is not your primary role. Nor should involving yourself in political and secular agendas be your priority. That is operating outside of the role that God intended for Church Pastors. I know we have seen examples of this, some successful and others not so. Either way, Pastors who do this are operating outside of their calling.
@Zach Davis Sorry , I can't stop and won't stop. Some of us are Jesus sheep and not a "pastor's sheeple." We actually know how to think and rightly divide the word if truth for ourselves. Checking and discerning for accuracy, just as The Bereans did with Paul.
Advocate for scripture and not for a politically correct specific sinful people group. We minister to the church as a pastor and the entire world and every people group as an evangelist in outreach and missions with both the bad news of hellfire and good news of reconcilliation through Jesus the Christ
One quarter of all Catholic priests in my Archdiocese under the age of fifty are ex protestant ministers. When they get to know God in a deeper way they are drawn to Catholicism .... just in the last 2 years 3 Church of England Bishops have given up such power status and wealth to become Catholic -- 2 have now become Catholic priests.............
I don't know you or your channel, but I wish you the best of luck. Being a Pastor seems very stressful, and some of these comments are ignorant and judgmental. It seems like a tough situation to be in, but I hope it turns out well for you.
How can a pastor be advocating the queer community that goes against biblical you preach to them and by God’s grace, they may repent and be converted because that is very necessary to leave your past life behind
Well, I can promise you that most people who are LGBQT+ did not make a "Decision" to be that way. I've known two gay guys that tell me how it was from childhood that they felt gay. They did not choose to become gay. Both looked kindof feminine, so I think it's some type of genetic defect that occurs during pregnancy where the fetus does not get enough male testosterone from the mother. So, it makes the baby's brain confused (when it is born) because it is male-body but female-brain, and that's what I think gay children are. And, vice versa for the lesbians. So, it's not some MORAL CHOICE ... ha ha ha; if you think that, then you are really ignorant of how they feel. I know people that say they would do ANYTHING, almost anything, to be normal; but, in their minds, they know that they are born different. So, religion is a man-made construct that happened before Science could understand these things, so the Church has to update its morality and realize that LGBQT+ people aren't sinners and evil and demon-possessed (as my Pastor taught). That's sin and evil to say that about people.
God could appear before you and say ... "I am God."
But you wouldn't know the difference.
"De-converted" people were never actually "converted" in the first place.
You were never really much of a pastor. You were only a "salesman."
You turned your pearl of great price into a lump of lead.
Scott ... My Friend, you need to learn what the fallacy of "No True Scotsman" is. Then, please, post your thoughts here.
@@PoeLemic - Speed up the process, and just tell me: I'm not going to read your mind. If you were a millionaire, and you lost your millions, then does that somehow mean you were never actually a millionaire?
Cool, now you're free to think outside human traditions. Dwell on the simplicity of the life of Christ. The church is God's people...wherever you find us. Pastor us who've left the organisation to follow Jesus...wherever he goes!
For sure not an easy decision for you but you’ve got to stay true to yourself.
Your next ‘chapter’ will be an even better one 👍
I really appreciate it! Your support is much needed!
One should stay true to God, not himself. That gets you lost everytime.
@@outofthepulpit We're called to be true to God not ourselves. I don't know you but I agree, you probably needed to step down from the ministry.
You want to be a politician not a pastor. After the election of Donald Trump I never want to hear another pastor talk about politics again.
Those of us who did not support him then and now lost our whole church family.
I don't support gays in the pulpit or women.
I want to hear the word of God not opinions. I have twitter for that.
@@BLFulle Well, many Christian denominations have respect and support for people with different sexual orientations (i.e., LGBQT+ individuals). And, try to open your heart to them, instead of "turning it hard" and thinking that they are fallen, lustful, and living lives of sin. Trust me. I've known people who were gay or lesbian, and they are great people. Nothing wrong with them at all. Just a mind/body-connection that makes them have a different sexual orientation. That's all. So try to show them love, just like the CHurch learned to do for BLACK PEOPLE after the 1950's and 1960's when the Government forced Americans to no longer discriminate against them and allowed to have equal facilities. So, the LGBQT+ is just the next taboo to overcome for society ... and for the Church, too.
@@PoeLemic My best friend led me to the Lord 40 years ago. She was gay. I went to see her one day and found her crying. When I asked her why she said she realized "the way she loved was an offense to the Lord".
I told her there was nothing wrong with being gay.
She was broken and crying. She told me never to contradict what God has told her again.."
I miss her so much. She died a few years ago. She understood God in a deeper way than most people ever will.
We can accept a sinner who is willing to repent, We must reject those who come into the church with an agenda to convert Chritians to a demonic agenda.
Confusion, confusion and confusion, biblical foundations are being destroyed. Who is a pastor?????????
I understand why Jesus said “I never knew you” not in attack on you but all of you “men made pastors ”
Gotta preqch the bible and not your feelings - coming from a former lesbian.
It's best to understand the Eucharist first. Perhaps other things will follow.
The callings of God are without repentance Gods ply line is your or should be the only guide
So instead of standing on the bible you make a video and cry and blame others for your cowardice ?
This is a good example of carnal Christian. Video tapping once’s self for some weird reason, and this false belief that God uses your failures for His glory nonsense.
(I'm not saying this is your case because I dont know you, but in general )
Sadly This happens when to be a "PASTOR" is man made calling not called and prepared by the Holy Spirit alone... When the LORD calls, he fully prepared and his burden is light and easy!
Be blessed!
❤❤amen
Remember, pastor is human being too.. that's okay.. don't worry too much about it.. stay blessed, brother!
Don't feel too disappointed. Timothy was with Paul for over 10 years before he began to Pastor a church, and did not begin until he was older, which seems very different now with so many young men trying Pastor churches.
Plus all the overthinking is exhausting. Being anxious that you are doing things right. People need to get over the way that God interacts with gay people. They don’t have to fit your processes. The traditions of church and the love of Christ can often conflict and that is sad!
Political? What you believe is political,knowing Jesus does not mean you cant be political, We do what we believe, call it political, call it religion, call it what you want to but the fact is we all do what we believe!
You were not called to be Pastor Sir. Pastors are paid, servants. They tell people what they want to hear, not what they need to hear. You were called to be a Prophet. Prophets are truth-tellers-Telling people what God had instructed you to say to them. There is a difference- understand the difference. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Don’t quit. Redefine and recognize your true calling. Ephesians 4:11. What are the qualities of the Prophet? Truthfulness. Courage. Faithfulness/trust when the deaf and the blind refuse to hear or see. You are preaching to itching ears (2 Timothy 4). You have been positioned in the wrong place. 'Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces. (Matthew 7:6). This is exactly what happened to you and what has also happened to many who were also called.
Search your heart and ask God for direction. Go fast and pray. after that change your location and start a new season in a different location.
lolllllllllllllll there’s nothing new to reveal you weirdo
maybe you are confused; read God's word.
Hey, man, God bless you. Well done for being so brave courageous in this matter. God will still be with you and you don't need the pomp and formality of the ministry and the capital-C Church to serve God and other people... y'know, like Jesus told us to. For what it's worth, I'm in a similar boat. I'm not ordained yet (I served in a semi-ordained role in a previous parish) and am due to be attending seminary this September, but the Church has, honestly fucked me over so many times that I'm at my wit's end, and feel like I'm going to have a nervous breakdown if I don't get some distance from it all.
I've been in a couple of different denoms (currently C of E, i.e. grandaddy Episcopalian) and I've been neglected, ignored, fobbed off, sidelined etc. I'm at breaking point, and there is nothing wrong with doing what's right for you. It can be hard when you feel called to ordination, but if the Church is actually diminishing your love for God and folk, taking a break is no bad thing. Don't lose heart. You seem like a lovely guy and things will work out for you in the end. It's all about agape at the end of the day. Love from across the pond, brother. Godspeed.
Stop looking for religion and seek a relationship with Jesus and with the Father through Him. You are looking in all the wrong places... you should know God hates profanity... why do you choose to speak that way?
Nope! Don’t blame ya a bit!!!!☝️🙄
I hit all those stats. All of them. I retired from ministry when my wife's cancer became terminal.
This video made me cry.
Too political? Jesus was political. If u speak to any justice issues, you have to be political. Poltical doesnt mean preaching, "be a republican" or "be a democrat". It means calling for systemic change.
Jesus was most certainly not political!
@Be4Him66 again, being political doesn't only mean being for one party. Jesus was political against the system that is corrupt and marginalizes people. What do u think the "kingdom" language is about? A heavenly kingdom, one ruled by God. Again mlk jr is a great example. We are called obey laws if they are just, to resist laws that are unjust...that is being political. You cant solve isms, hunger, poverty, by individual action. It needs to be addressed on a larger scale aka politically.
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance in this video.
Didnt jesus say we need to disown ourselves in order to serve him? Also you sound very confused? If God has called you then he will sustain you
Thank you! You r correct!
Thank you for your bravery. I can identify. I've put my UA-cam channel on hiatus because after 2 years and absolutely NO support from my (now former) church. It just wasn't worth it.
LOL
@@ifyouknow2323 Not sure why this seems funny
@@ChristopherBoormanSpeaks funny because you kinda of dudes think you’re a brand or something. You’ll use everything but actual exposition of scripture to measure your effectiveness or success. So yea LOL
4:42 those numbers are incredible
I need to be real with you, pastors cannot be tied to anything politically, because that’s not what they come here to do. Pastors are not come to be politicians. They are coming to be called to deliver the message of the gospel. That means siding with anybody that is sinful is a complete disrespect to the pulpit. It doesn’t matter if it’s conservative or liberal, you need to align yourself with God’s word.
I can already tell you if you support social justice issues or LGBT then you shouldn’t even be in any kind of role at a church at all. Not just a pastor, but you shouldn’t be part of any involvement in ministry. Because you’re not aligning yourself with God at that point. We can go over why those two things are unbiblical but I think the point is they were right to let you go for those reasons.
With that being said, I would learn from your failure, and if you’re ever interested in ministry, I suggest you go through training. One thing that I will agree with you on though is Pastor should be able to Xpress the truth, but you also need to figure out how to communicate that truth without it being against God’s Word. People need to be very careful even what church to pastor at because not all churches are part of God’s kingdom as a whole and no Pastor’s gonna be able to save that church. Also, it’s not your control rather a church survives or not that is completely up to God. The lack of faith, I think as well a lot of pastors show in their character. The most successful churches out there are going to be your most faithful churches, but again, even the most faithful churches could be subject to failing as well. It’s all about faith and faithfulness because if you’re running the church like a business obviously you’re gonna have anxiety over these things. Churches are not businesses they are places for worship, and that’s how Church is your always be treated. If you have people there, they get ruffled feathers. It’s probably a better choice that they leave your congregation so that you could get people that want to hear the truth and worship God.
Come visit us at the Orthodox Christian Church; we still believe what you've read of the Early Church Fathers.
You are awesome Jon! Do what is best for you.
Thank you for the encouragement! It means a lot!
@@outofthepulpitwelcome to Catholic Church
You were never called to be a Pastor.
A Pastor is a shepherd and oversees the spiritual growth and discipleship of their members. While they may get involved in community outreach and injustice, that is not your primary role. Nor should involving yourself in political and secular agendas be your priority. That is operating outside of the role that God intended for Church Pastors. I know we have seen examples of this, some successful and others not so. Either way, Pastors who do this are operating outside of their calling.
Just stop
@Zach Davis Sorry , I can't stop and won't stop. Some of us are Jesus sheep and not a "pastor's sheeple." We actually know how to think and rightly divide the word if truth for ourselves. Checking and discerning for accuracy, just as The Bereans did with Paul.
Advocate for scripture and not for a politically correct specific sinful people group. We minister to the church as a pastor and the entire world and every people group as an evangelist in outreach and missions with both the bad news of hellfire and good news of reconcilliation through Jesus the Christ
One quarter of all Catholic priests in my Archdiocese under the age of fifty are ex protestant ministers. When they get to know God in a deeper way they are drawn to Catholicism .... just in the last 2 years 3 Church of England Bishops have given up such power status and wealth to become Catholic -- 2 have now become Catholic priests.............
Simple these ex pastors can’t follow the word of God but can follow the man made doctrine of the catholics.