"The Qur'an left the matter somewhat open" and this is why liberal Muslims not only cannot ever refute groups like ISIS - they are forced to hold the door open for them. I absolutely love your analysis. Damn, you deserve so many more views - your videos are gold. (Poor Shabbir Aly I actually feel sorry for him seeing him desperately struggling like this, because he reminds me of so many Muslims I know that are basically decent people but forced to defend the indefensible.)
I wear that as a badge of honor. Thank you I DO feel sorry for him but I'm really bothered by his dawah's net negative effect. From PR for islam to more confusion to gateways to radicalism.. It's not easy to face cognitive dissonance, i know
@@ApostateAladdin I agree absolutely and it's difficult to know how much blame should be apportioned. I was born and brought up in this religion and believed it with all my heart. I also defended it - and taught it to children. It's difficult to know how much blame I carry for that and is something I struggle with.
I hasten to add I never defended slavery as something permissable today. I think I usually used the "context" excuse and it was a topic I generally avoided and put in the box "God will explain later."
Spot on. The next step in the analysis is digging into the manumission apologetic. I encounter that in a lot of Ahmadiyya apologetics as the last line of defence in an attempt to “hold the wall”.
I did not have time to dig into it and perhaps i should've left the last video out, but it struck me as laughable that this is a defence at all. Even IF true and observed everywhere, it is at the discretion of the owner, terms set by the owner, not often recorded in history as the conclusion of each slave's life (and clearly ineffective), and doesn't account for how most slaves never earned money. It's all at the owner's discretion. It's no better than saying "islam allows you to free a slave if you feel like it", except the owner is milking their value first I definitely need to make it its own topic of a video
When I read the Quran, my impression was the following: the prohibitions against alcohol and pork are quite clear and stern, with exceptions for pork only allowed when one would otherwise starve. In contrast, there is no clear prohibition against slavery. I will grant that the book does say it is better to free slaves, but this is quite different from banning it outright. It appears that to god, eating pork is a bigger evil than making, buying, selling, or owning slaves.
So next time a muslim says that the quran is perfect and no one can make it better. Your reply is, easy. Simply remove the verse regarding sex-slavery, by one stroke you can make it better ... there you go..
Asalamu'alaykum I recommend to read this article about slavery. Yes the Quran does promote to free slaves but the Hadiths also give them human rights and say if you have enough money then you should free slaves. There are many reasons why slavery was not banned outright immediately. The first was economic reasons and the second was related to human rights in the context of Pre-Islamic Arabia.
@@Nihaar1999tiger bruh your too far gone to even see the foolishness of having slaves. The fact your trying to defend slavery, I really hope you someday feel the weight of being a slave rather than spweing shit outta your mouth.
@@Nihaar1999tigerthe Quran did not ablolish male slavery or female slavery . The Quran only encourages people to free slaves there is no sin in Islam if a person does not want to free their slaves. Because of Islam countless south Asian women European women African women were sold into sexual slavery and the men were takes as physical slaves and castrated . It was Great Britain and USA who forced turkey and Saudi Arabia to free slaves. What your fake sky daddy could not do Great Britain and Saudi did. The purpose of hijab is to differentiate between free Muslim women and slave women so that free women would not be harassed as they walked on the streets of Madinah . The awarah of a slave women is from the navel to the knee, photographs of Makkah madinah show topless slave women . Slave markets would be held in the courtyard of masjid nabawi and masjid haram
The funny thing about these Muslim apologist is that they say concubinage is better than dating. While I do not agree with premarital sex, sex while dating occurs when both parties are of mutual agreement and equality where they found each other in a safe space (i.e. school, work, or a bar. (God forbid captivity)). If there is any moment in a relationship where it is unbalanced, it would be classified as abuse and rape (like sex slavery). How is concubinage more humane than dating?
@@kaan4943 Premarital sex is the act of throwing away that special experience with someone who you just met and a person who may not stay with. I would like to save it for the person who I know can make promises, and marriage provides that. I want to stay faithful to them and only them.
I'm Muslim and this is yet another thing that puzzles me. When Dr. Shabbir says that Slavery was the norm and that it would not be possible to make society quit slavery cold turkey, so God had to bring down the Quran to reform slavery... why doesn't God just do away with Slavery. After all, God created humans. He can alter their mind, their behavior. He doesn't even need to make it a law that slavery is forbidden.. he can just change the minds and hearts of humans so that everyone just understands that slavery is bad. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!
I'm being dragged around to family so I have to cosplay being Muslim but I'll watch this later tonight thanks AA. I wonder how Shabir Ally would feel if his daughter were made a concubine and sold or gifted for someone else to enjoy when her owner grows tired of her
@@suadpattonbey7239 So what would he say if Non-Muslims came and forced his daughter and his wife to be their sex-slave? And then being raped by the invaders who occupied their land.
As a Muslim (in my late 30’s) also a father of boys and girls ,I really admire your honesty and analysis of the most excruciatingly obvious and painful dilemmas that we as Muslim believers face but do not address . I personally have been raising these critiques since I was 14 in secondary school for years to my fellow Muslims but have yet not received an adequate response.
@onelifeuseit The fact that slavery is allowed to exist in Islam, is glaring evidence that Islam and Qur'an CANNOT possibly be from a righteous God or creator of the universe, UNLESS you accept that this righteous God, Allah who is supposed to be the source of Islam and quran, is in fact, NOT so righteous or perfect as claimed, in which case, this not so perfect Allah who allows slavery, CANNOT possibly be God, because God by definition, is SUPPOSED to be all perfect, righteous, and BEYOND human flaws and immorality such as sex slavery, wife beating, concubinage, child marriage etc, all of which are allowed by Allah and exemplified by his perfect messenger for all time, muhammad. This is why I eventually left islam because I realised that the presence of all these seriously immoral practices within islam, is clear indication that this religion is man made and not from a perfect God. As a result, I could not in all conscience, follow and devote my life and soul to any entity (allah) ideology (islam), book (quran) and prophet (muhammad) that allowed and enabled the ongoing human atrocities and injustices of slavery, wife beating, concubinage, and child marriage.
The Quran didn’t appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood, but the Quran devotes more verses to ensure that Muslim men know they can have women sex slaves 4 times than telling them to pray five times a day (zero). So by realistic measure, the creator of the world’s most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.
The definition of Sexual Slavery is when a individual is considered human property and can be raped and treated like a commodity. This goes completely against what the Quran and Hadiths say because raping a slave has punishments as per Islamic Jurisprudence.
Salamah ibn al-Muhabbiq reported: A man had intercourse with the servant girl of his wife, so the matter was referred to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. The Prophet said, “If she had done so willingly, then she belongs to him and he must pay the likes of her price. If he had forced her, then she is free and he must pay the likes of her price.” [Musnad Aḥmad 19556]
Ibn al-Qayyim said, “As for if he had forced her, then this is a type of abuse as compulsion into sexual intercourse is abuse. Indeed, such intercourse is carried out in the manner of a criminal offence, so for this reason he is not absolved from a fine or legal punishment.” [I’lām al-Muwaqqi’īn 2/21]
@@Nihaar1999tiger crazy you were able to make your owns laws for your backwards religion. Not like everyone government in this world has laws, but that doesn't mean they are all powerful and think they are the one true law.
Eversince the internet, So many islamic scholars, imams & sheiks r having a tough time explaining, justifying & reintepreting the absurdities of their koran & haddidth.
Superb analysis Aladdin. As a woman, I can't express how appreciative and reassured I feel when you bring such problems to light. Thank you for valuing our wellbeing as you do. ❤️
Let's just say it was IMPOSSIBLE to abolish slavery Then at least the prophet could not have owned any slaves to set an example. Then muslims could say the life of prophet is an example for us to follow
@Nihaar1999tiger Why didn't the one and only perfect god, Allah, command his perfect messneger, muhammd to lead by example and refuse to own slaves? Why didn't he immediately free every single slave or concubine that was ever offered to him? Why didnt he have the perfect divine wisdom from the perfect god that he was supposedly getting revelations from, to understand the importance of setting a good example to his followers for all time and all ages, ESPECIALLY when it came to exemplifiying some of the most terribly atrocious and harmful of practices that has ever existed throughout history, such as sex slavery, and the most awful of all - child marriage. Your perfect all knowing god had the opportunity to prevent his perfect prophet and book from engaging in these disgusting practices and thereby set a perfect example to the world and ensure that everyone was clear about the immorality of these disgusting practices forever, but Allah failed to do that. That should tell you everything you need to know about who Allah and his prophet truly is. By their deeds you shall know them.
Indeed. Of course, until the past two centuries almost all human civilizations relied on slavery or some version of a similarly servile and near-powerless labor class (like serfdom) All the more reason not to take our modern morality from ancient and medieval texts.
Pri-marital sex is forbiddin in Islam. Marriage is sacred. Sex is to be lawfully enjoyed between a husband and a wife. Yet when I was 17 and I first heard of sex slavery in Islam, my mind was unhinged. I rushed home from the masjid and told my dad, "Is true one can have sex with a woman not married to?!". As a teenager then, I couldn't fully grasp the gross human rights violation; but like any boy at that age infatuated by sex, I found this contradiction a complete slap in the face--a lie. You can't have a girlfriend and should feel guilty of desires, yet you can enjoiy your personal sex slave.
It really was a slap to the face. I thought the same, Islam is pure because it only allows sex in marriage. Flash forward to when I found about sex slaves and was scouring through Muslim websites and the Quran to learn more about it. I was sitting there outraged, and betrayed that god could allow rape.
Ikr?? These hypocrites feel no shame in saying Islam doesn't allow pre-marital sex in the same breath as Islam allows sex slavery. In reality, they don't really care about sex outside of marriage, not for men at least, they only care about ownership and control over women. Women are simply properties of men under Islam. Otherwise consensual sex between two mature people wouldn't be haram while literally buying, selling and raping girls and women over and over again wouldn't be perfectly halal. This is why religious people are often the most hypocritical ones.
One thing i have to give to ex muslim men and women. their humanity shines. full stop. arriving at a conclusion that they cannot stand views contrary to humanity, and fighting against all odds and standing for their conviction. i am a big time follower of Apostate Prophet and friendly ex muslim. this young man, Aladdin, just shocks me. he critiques shabyr ally not as a christian or jew. but just from a human perspective. his close friends are truly blessed to enjoy his good companionship. i wish him safety and long life. he should shine like a Magic Lamp. glad to find this channel and subscribe.
I am finding it very hard to watch this video, I am feeling disgusted and furious at all the excuses coming from those idiotic men's mouths. It's obvious that Islam like other religions is man-made, Men created Allah in their own image. Allah's behavior reminds me of an abusive man, "Do what I say or I"m going to kill you". Great work Apostate Aladdin.
😨😱 I can't say I'm chocked, I know all of this as I'm an ex-muslim. But, I'm really wondering how a woman can willingly submit to this ideology. In my opinion, islam is the worst religion ever invented by humans. The humans that have constructed this religion were evil. PS : In fact, in his last sermon, Mohamed said "be kind with your women as they are prisonners for you". Nuriyah Khan (Holy humanist) made a video on this topic.
Even worst is that in my country a particular race cannot be in any other religion than Islam. People of this race are being forced by law to practice islam. I’m the minority living among these victims. This really makes me furious about political islam. Anyways, much respect for you sister.
You clearly have not read Hindu Books or the Bible to conclude Islam is the worst religion for women. But Islam is the best religion for women and that's why most people converting to Islam are women and they are the happiest compared to Western women on drugs and depression going through breakups.
Hello everyone, exmuslim here and it's nonsensical that sex outside of marriage is considered zina but yet sex with concubines isn't considered as zina and is accepted? Also the fact that rape is condoned in marriage and raping concubines is. Disgusts me.
100% agree, concubinage is legalized adultery lol so is mut'ah which was apparently forbidden at some point but why did it even need to exist?? are men that sex crazy?
One of point Muslims debate about Islam being true is arguments of Absolute Morality;; and with a Founder who is a Ped0File ; Justification of Sex Slavery; Justifying killing of Apostates Killing Gays ; and forcing Jaziya on people who choose Critical Thinking and logic over Cultism ...Yet as per their logic their Morality is Absolute...
I feel horrible today, but your reactions made my day. Thank you! 🙏🏻 btw, I see this now, after years of therapy related to narcissistic abuse, how great Islamic scholars are in NOT answering any questions. They talk for hours and give NO response.
25:10 "Polytheism was widespread in the ancient world. The Islamic faith could not come in and say that as of 12:01 am tomorrow morning there is only one God." Oh wait, the Islamic faith did do that.
I think this was a bad idea. First, I'm a big follower of Aladdin, and I did find most of his videos good ( satirical videos included). But, I think he was being too emotional here. It seems he was just pouring his anger with islam on Dr Shabir. The problem seems to be: why is Dr Shabir is still muslim and "defending" islam after knowing all the bad things in the religion. The fact is, muslims do not believe because of the negetif aspects, rather it's because of believe in islam that they have to accept the ugly things, sometimes with polishing. Dr Shabir wasn't defending islamic slavery. His explanation is that, due to the society in which islam emerged, slavery was to be eradicated gradually, but unfortunately, muslims failed to do so. Of course we can disagree with him. I believe that, an Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipotent Allah can do better ( also he/it could have made people believe in Islam without recourse to jihad on infidels). However, I think Dr Shabir is of a rare kind. He is a mainstream muslim scholar that is struggling to bring islam to the 21st century ( risking being called a heretic by other mainstream scholars). I believe that, the options do not only have to be either "leave islam" or "become an extremist like Daniel Haqiqadtou". Finally, just like christianity, islam will not disappear anytime soon. The best for everyone is to have an islam that respect individual rights, including the freedom to believe and not to believe.
Even though he was getting emotional at some point (which is perfectly understable), he notifies us and tries to be avoid being emotional. His points are valid regardless of the seeming emotions
@@ahmadumeta4 , don't get me wrong, I like most of his videos. One video he made is entitled " I love you Allah", very emotional but, one of his best videos. I also like his satirical videos on Islam and the prophet. My disagreement here is, him verbally attacking Dr Shabir just because he still remains muslim(after knowing all the bad stuff in islam). Mr Hassan Radwan has in fact made videos critiquing some of Dr shabir's statements but, without the attacks. It's important to note that, even well educated people like Dr shabir are not immune to the cognitive bias caused by religion, especially if the indoctrination started from childhood. Also, he wasn't defending islamic slavery. He was just stating islamic historical facts, and his opinions as to why slavery wasn't abolished by the prophet straight away. As I mentioned in my comment, I disagree with his beliefs but, I appreciate his efforts in promoting a tolerant and modern version of islam. And while I accept that religion is a human construct, I do recognize that most people see it as their source of meaning, without which their lives may fall apart. PS: To my knowledge, Dr shabir is no longer proselytising and he rarely participate in debates now. He seems to be just catering to his muslim community and online muslim audiences. And even if he is to lose his faith one day, it will require an unimaginable courage for a famous scholar like him to come out publicly.
It is really miraculous that he keeps saying that we should now fallow our straight mind, nowdays values, but still believe in Ku'ran , which states that is perfect and for all times! All the progressiveness that he calls upon is the product of secularism and advancement in human rights. It is not Islam that made this progression happened but it shamelessly borrow its values, like we should forget that in many many issues it is total opposite of those rights.
I kind of respect that he acknowledges that is problematic. It's cognitive dissonance. Growing up muslim in a western country, we generally just see the good side of the religion. Non-fundamentalist Islam, practiced in a secular western society is benign and many are great members of society. At some point, we need to be honest with ourselves and admit that Islam is not the guide for society.
I left a comment on the first video which has lead me to watch it more times than I’d want to lol. It’s so disheartening to see this dude defend sex slavery to his own daughter (his daughter is conducting the interview). Great commentary, as always buddy :)
At least we didn’t hear the argument that women dressed up and therefore “encouraged” the Muslim army. Apart from being highly doubtful, its victim blaming yet again.
@Sacred Warrior if what he said is historically accurate, I get the sense that the women may have done it in hopes of being treated more humanely. Sort of like the women in Schindler’s List who draw blood and rub it on their cheeks so that they appear healthier and decrease their chances of being discarded and sent to die. So twisted to believe anyone ever wants to be kidnapped.
@@chanellee9762 I’m tired when Muslim apologists use this argument. They cited their information from “western biblical scholars” whose analyses were based off of psychological theories than actual history of women. The scholars were trying to explain the women’s thought process and situations in biblical times through misogynist eyes. I do not believe it one bit as I have never came across anything like that before until I heard it from the Muslims. They are [poor] theories at best, but Muslims cling onto them like actual historical evidence to make them feel better.
During Islamic invasions in India countless Hindu women used to burn themselves rather than be captured as sex slaves by the Muslims. It is recorded historically but no Muslim scholar talks about this , they would rather talk about some Hadith which describes women dressing up in battle for Muslim soldiers
Shabir is fully aware of the darkness in Islam he defends. He reveals his true character when he unconsciously and glibly glosses over horrendous verses and concepts in the Quran with dubious apologetics.
Yes, but I do respect that he doesn't completely avoid the topic. He's definitely doing some heavy PR. That mo hijab guy just edited out his debater asking about Aisha's age.
@@iiddrrii6051, yeah. I've never been a fan of Mo-jab. I watched a debate where he tried to make the case for Islam, and wasn't impressed by his chest beating.
I love how fiercely honest you are about these Sheikhs’ excuses! Also, I watch your videos all the time and am SO impressed by your skills as an English speaker. You’ve clearly received very good education; your diction, pronunciation, and grammar are that of an extremely educated man and you should be very proud! Love your content as always and just wanted you to know how much your voice is valued :)
when you were ranting about how more people need to speak up, I was vigorously nodding my head. It is so important. I feel like one of the reasons it took me longer to really question Islam properly was because there was such a lack of ex-Muslims speaking out. I know a lot of them fear prosecution and so there’s nothing they can really do, and that’s yet another way Islam was designed to trap people into never being able to leave, but I wish those who were out to the world as ex-Muslims would speak up a bit more. It’s so lonely questioning your religion, and sometimes I feel like I’m going insane when I look at all the Muslims around me who don’t really question Islam (and if they do, it’s only aspects of the religion which they bend over backwards trying to find explanations for that will soothe their conscience) and are only, in fact, growing stronger in faith as they grow older. Also, those people in the comments you were describing who are like: “Mashallah, you explained this so clearly” used to drive me crazy even when I was a Muslim looking for answers and would have taken any explanation offered to me even if it was the most absurd and convoluted thing I’d ever heard. After watching one of these videos, I would go to the comments for reassurance, not really expecting there to be anyone who actually agreed and whose discomfort was quelled, but even though I was actively seeking comments like this, I was still shocked to see them. It was a weird mix of relief, sadness and deep discomfort all at once. It really fucked with my mind because it made me feel like, if these Muslims can accept it than so can I. But I really didn’t want to. Even then. So I just ignored it.
Slavery was officially abolished in mauiritatia, as the last muslim majority country, in 1981 only, but the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves. It was criminalised in 2007. In recent years, the islamic state practised extensively slavery, based on the islamic tradition. The tradition in islam allows slavery, as slavery was widespread amongst faiths and civilisations across asia and europe before islam. The taking of slaves and slavery made up an important part of the narrative of the prophet and his life. Slaves constituted the most valuable part of the booty. Taking slaves was an important part in the motivations of the prophet's military campaigns. In particular, female slaves taken by the muslim warriors had to submit sexually to their new masters, and sex with them is specifically permitted, as well as the beating of disobedient slaves. However, the muslim tradition also makes the freeing of slaves a virtue to be rewarded by allah, but the idea and practice of freeing of salves did not lead to a general abolitionist movement, as the prophet himself had numerous slaves and was in fact supportive of the idea of (sex) slavery holding at least four concubines.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Quran 9:29 is irrelevant because that verse as per Tafsir At-Tabari was revealed in the context of the Byzantine Invasion of Tabuk and refers to the specific group of Christian Byzantines who violated the peace treaty.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Yes its very funny you've never heard of the Expedition of Tabuk. That's why you have no knowledge of the Quran but quote verses out of context like a Parrot.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 At-Tabari records: Mujahid reported concerning the verse, “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day…” that it was revealed when Muhammad and his companions were commanded with the expedition of Tabuk." [Tafseer At-Tabari 9:29]
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Ibn Al-Qayyim writes: "The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition." [Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336]
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Safiur Rahman further describes the reason the conflict took place: "The Byzantine power, which was considered the greatest military force on earth at that time, showed an unjustifiable opposition towards Muslims. As we have already mentioned, their opposition started at killing the ambassador of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi, by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani. The ambassador was then carrying a message from the Prophet to the ruler of Busra. We have also stated that the Prophet consequently dispatched a brigade under the command of Zaid bin Haritha, who had a fierce fight against the Byzantines at Mu’tah. Although Muslim forces could not have revenge on those haughty overproud tyrants, the confrontation itself had a great impression on the Arabs all over Arabia. Caesar, who could neither ignore the great benefit that the battle of Mu’tah had brought to Muslims, nor could he disregard the Arab tribes’ expectations of independence and their hopes of getting free from his influence and reign, nor he could ignore their alliance to the Muslims. Realizing all that, Caesar was aware of the progressive danger threatening his borders, especially the fronts of Syria which were neighboring Arab lands. So he concluded that demolition of the Muslims’ power had grown an urgent necessity. This decision of his should, in his opinion, be achieved before the Muslims become too powerful to conquer and raise troubles and unrest in the adjacent Arab territories. To meet these exigencies, Caesar mustered a huge army of the Byzantines and pro-Roman Ghassanite tribes to launch a decisive bloody battle against the Muslims." [The Sealed Nectar Pg. 272]
Saudi Arabia officially ended slavery in 1967 under Western force(another slave masters),,,but now it's still going on in private,they call them domestic workers..I was told by someone whose brother works complained to him about the food they give them at work,,after eating they don't get tired and they work the entire day,
Almost everything in Islam doesn't fit in this age it's not just slavery and concubines that are odd and seem depraved it is actually much of Islamic teaching.
23:15 Allah was not able to find the time to create laws against slavery, he was too busy with way more important issues, like that of determining if people are allowed to eat shrimp or not...
Hi! I'm still a muslim, but I just wanted to say I appreciate you calling out muslim apologists on sugar coating things or not giving the full truth of matters. I think it is very detrimental for people's faith and trust in religious authorities, and I wish people would be more thoughtful and conscientious when conveying religious matters to the public without falling into the trap of pleasing the masses, because it comes at a price for thsoe who are intellectual honest and curious enough to look into matters on their own, like myself. For example, I had come across a video of a sheikh, whom I trust and was quite instrumental in getting me to start practicing my religion (I wasn't religious for the majority of my life and went through a phase where I was very devout), and he was addressing the satanic verses incident in the life of the prophet, more specifically the truth of whether it actually occurred. The video was super short and he basically said the report of the incident was mawdu' (which is to say fabricated). But recently, I have been researching the incident and what has been said, and I read Shahab Ahmed's academic publication on a detailed explanation and list, with explanation, of all the riwayahs detailing the incident, and it's widespread use in the first couple of centuries in sirah maghazi and tafsir works, entitled Before Orthodoxy: Satanic Verses in Early Islam.This book listed all of the riwayahs and very much demonstrated to me, that it's more complicated than a short video saying "it's mawdu" basically don't give it a second thought. I also learned that scholars have taken different views on whether the incident occurred over the centuries, and I just felt decieved to be honest, it wasn't a great feeling, and it reminded me of your videos and the frustration you express. It is something I have also been noticing in the dawah scene lately as well, and although it may be suitable for the layman or those who aren't intellectually curious, it does damage to those who are, which is a group of people we should be celebrating and encouraging not pushing away. Anyways, long message, but thank you for sharing. Although I don't agree with everything you mention, given I am still a muslim, it is refreshing to see someone highlighting these issues, and I can totally relate to the frustration. Your videos have also made me more empathetic to the ex-muslim population, and I personally, see how someone can disbelieve in Islam, based on what they read and learn. I am currently on a journey to learn more and more and have this insatiable urge to learn, but I don't see my belief in God ever wavering, but I can't predict the future ofcourse, but I am very much more open minded and less dogmatic, and am more inclined to wholesome honest investigation and reflection wherever that leads me. Thanks again!
I really appreciate your honesty, and your ability to see beyond the potentially offensive jokes to assess my videos. I count it as a success story if someone becomes more empathetic towards nonbelievers as you have, and clearly you have the presence of mind to review and assess your beliefs. Kudos! And you don't have to lack belief in god someday. I personally don't have a conclusion about whether a vague creator exists, but I don't see god as a holder of any of the personalities religions attribute to that idea Anyway, thanks again for the comment
Hey sister, there's a book made by sheikh al albani ( may Allah have mercy on him ) regarding the issue of the narrations regarding Satanic verses, and how it's mursal ,what they sheikh said is true , but it needs sooooooooooooooooo much more elaboration and explanation, نصب المجانيق في قصة الغرانيق
How about simply asking slaves if they'd like to work as free people rather than slaves? A society of free people should be more economically productive than a slave owning society because, among other reasons, none of the labour force is taken up with slave guarding duties. I'm surprised that Allah, PBOH, apparently didn't realise this.
I mean his whol e argument was "Islam wasnt followed as it was meant to be, so therefore we should do what REAL Islamic teachings say (whatever that means) and not allow slavery today" I mean if, at any point in history Muslims were gina be living the teschings of islam throug and through, sureelyyy it would've been when the prophet was alive?? And he did allow it so....
The second sheikh only mentioned the autas incident. What about the bani Al mustalik event when the coitus interruptus issue arose. Two separate incidents. In both cases Arab polytheist women were kept as slaves. He's lying constantly. Sahih Muslim 1438 a and bukhari 2542. See for yourselves guys.
I always really enjoy your content!! 👏 What you do is important and even when you are calling out and pushing back on some absolutely atrocious teachings in the Quran and Islam as a whole, you are compassionate and level headed 🔥 we need more people like you!
Yep. Apostate Aladdin has covered this interview before. That’s why his commentary was so fantastic this time. He may have only done the firsyt half of the interview last time.
The manumission contract touched on near the end is worth digging into. That’s the go to apologetic defence I see in my circles most, to defend the whole institution. Reach out if you want to work on steel manning their position before dissecting.
A good question to the apologists would be: if manumission is such a good thing, why enslave men, women & children in the first place? Just abolish the whole institution of slavery altogether.
We thank you and respect you, Apostate Alladin, for speaking the truth. Your work is important, your content is superlative. As a woman, it means so much to us that you respect us and feel for us. Please take care of yourself. Please take a break and do self care. We love you very very much.
Muhammad had zero problems banning alcohol. Imagine how many people lost their livelihoods because of that. Imagine how many pig farmers and pork salesmen struggled. Not to mention the poor silk traders and tattoo artists.
Do you know why he banned alcohol? He also banned bells. Now why would he ban both alcohol and bells? Because the Christian uses wine for the Eucharist and bells were rung to indicate the times of the mass, when it began. We still do it today. It had absolutely nothing to do with getting drunk.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Mohammad had no problem with alcohol while he was still trying to get Christians and Jews to accept him. Alcohol is not forbidden in Christianity neither in Judaism, so there was an impetus for him to ban it, considering he said it was going to be in paradise. Why would allah ban on earth something promised to you in paradise? These are from Sahih, so I will try to make them succinct. Narrated Anas: The people mentioned the fire and the bell (as means proposed for announcing the time of prayer) and by such a suggestion they referred to the Jews and the Christians. But Bilal was ordered, "Pronounce the words of the Adhan (i.e. call for the prayer) twice and the Iqama once only." Sahih al-Bukhari 3457 Ibn Umar narrated: "When the Muslims arrived in AI-Madinah, they used to assemble for the Salat, and guess the time for it there was no one who called for it (the prayer). One day they discussed that and some of them said that they should use a bell like the bell the Christians use. Others said they should use a trumpet like the horn the Jews use. But Umar [bin Al-Khattab] said: 'Wouldn't it better if we had a man call for the prayer?'" He said: "So Allah's Messenger said: 'O Bilal! Stand up and call for the Salat.'" Jami` at-Tirmidhi 190 Narrated Ibn `Umar: (The Verse of) prohibiting alcoholic drinks was revealed when there were in Medina five kinds of (alcoholic) drinks none of which was produced from grapes. Sahih al-Bukhari 4616 Narrated Jabir: Some people drank alcoholic beverages in the morning (of the day) of the Uhud battle and on the same day they were killed as martyrs, and that was before wine was prohibited. Sahih al-Bukhari 4618 And the contradiction Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah said: “Whoever drinks wine in this world, he will not drink it in the Hereafter.” Sunan Ibn Majah 3374 So why would Allah put a river of wine in paradise then forbid you to drink it there if you drank it here? Does that make sense. But we see that wine was not forbidden in the beginning of islam, it came after the battle of Uhud. That shows it was not an issue for him at all until Uhud. If the muslim does not understand, Jesus said as He raised the cup of wine "This is my blood which is shed for many". Now you can see why mohammad would prohibit the drinking of wine as it is not only part of the Passover seder of the Jews, but used by Christians as well during Communion. If he banned the bell and the wine, then he is not permitting the use because he is anti-Christian.
@@moorek1967 I have heard that about the bells but I haven’t heard it about alcohol. From what I remember, grape wine was banned in the Qur’an and all alcohol was made completely haram through interpretation well after the death of Muhammad.
It was narrated from Abdullah bin 'Amr that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said: "Worship the Most Merciful and spread (the greeting of) peace.'" [Sunan Ibn Majah 3694]
Over 28 Million Africans have been enslaved in the Muslim world during the past 14 centuries While much has been written concerning the Transatlantic slave trade, surprisingly little attention has been given to the Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day. A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims. While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Transsahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%! That means more than 100 million Africans were enslaved by Islamic forces and then these 100 million African slaves died when they were forced to move from Africa to the Middle East. While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service. While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive. While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth. apya.org/arab-slave-trade/
Wait, you’re telling me that the most perfectly clear and understandable book left some things open?!?! Makes perfect sense to me. If Allah created us all and everything around us…..he certainly could have gotten rid or not allowed slavery!
May be the reason the host seems to be giggling is probably she is tone/context deaf and just wanna be camera positive by smiling. She doesn't mean any malice against those women held as sex slaves.
If we have to see that part of the Qur'an by today's standards, why not see the rest of the Qur'an by today's standards? Why are Muslims so intransigent about every verse in the Qur'an but not when it comes to slavery and concubines? It's all or nothing.
Aladdin, I feel like you could easily hold your own in a debate with someone like Omar Suleiman. You have a gift for discourse, reasoning, and cutting right through the BS.
From what I've read, the polytheists were often just killed. If she converted she at least got to stay alive even if enslaved. Iirc as well, the polytheist slaves were treated even worse so it was less the pagans women weren't raped, it's that they were raped and treated as even lesser than the people of the book slaves. Be raped while being told you're dirty scum sort of thing. A Jewish or Christian slave had at least some rights.
Thru our collective conciousness and the advance understanding we have now, & by the grace of God, we now know with absolute certainty that Mohd is a false profet.
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ba'al in hebrew means owner, apparently, the quran has something similar. This dr. might have his degree in al-Azhar, because most theologians know that husband also stands for that.
Regarding the idea that slaves cannot be freed due to an absence of jobs, maybe the solution is to free the slaves and pay them for the work they were already doing! Unless Islamic slavery practice was to acquire slaves and have them relax and do whatever they wanted, the economy of the time DID have enough jobs. The wealthy and powerful did not want to pay real value of that work.
If you find yourself defending slavery, you forfeit the right to the "religion makes good people defend the indefensible" quote. No decent person defends slavery. You still had the choice to not defend slavery and you chose to defend it.
Mr Radwan, I hope you will see this message. As a big follower of both you and Aladdin, I am a bit surprised by your first comment. I personally don't see a reason for Aladdin to react this way towards Dr Shabir. First, he is not trying to defend the morality of islamic slavery, he is just stating some islamic history and giving his analysis on why slavery wasn't abolished. Of course we can disagree with his use of "trajectory hermeneutics" to explain certain controversial issues in islan. Like you, I believe that an omnipotent allah could have done better. Also, Aladdin seems disturbed/angry that Dr Shabir is still muslim and keeps preaches islam despite knowing all the ugly stuff. But the fact is, people don't believe in islam because of the ugly stuff. That's why, so many smart people are still muslim. To paraphrase you, due to "the emotional and psychological bias", it's hard to abandon islam. And even if Dr Shabir is to lost his faith, not everyone has the courage to be public about it like you did. And for a popular mainstream islamic scholar, a decision to retired from the public will raise many questions. So for me, despite the disagreements on theology, scholars like Dr shabir are not the problem, it is those preventing islam and muslims from evolving who are the problem.
As long he keeps promoting Islam and Muhammad as the most perfect person worthy of emulation in all times, then he is definitely defending these practices
@@ahmad6384 Dr. Shabir is defending r@pe. Under those fancy words and convoluted phrases, he is defending r@pe. Consent does not exist in the Quran. Apostate Aladin's reactions are absolutely appropriate. As long as people defend the Quran and advocate the quran, they are complicit with rape.
@@annegreengables6367 I'm not an academic, but with my little knowledge in history and sociology, I try to look at some of these things from the perspective of the premodern person. If I lived in that period, there is a high chance I would have been either a slave or a slave owner, or at least seen it as moral. And I can imagine a future when our descendants will consider us immoral and barbaric, for eating meat despite the fact that there are many communities in asia which have been vegetarian for centuries. Again imo, Dr shabir is in no way defending the morality of slavery/sex slavery. He seems to believe in "trajectory hermeneutics". According to him, slavery was meant to be eradicated gradually, by restricting the ways in which slaves where acquired and encouraging the freeing of slaves. And due to the social context of 7th century Arabia, an immediate ban on slavery would have made it harder for the arabs to accept islam. Of course I disagree with Dr shabir's interpretation. I would have agreed if we were to consider Muhammad merely as a leader and reformer of his time. But a prophet/messager of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent Allah could have done better. However, I do respect Dr Shabir and recognise his effort in trying to reform islam. We need more mainstream-islam scholars like him, to help transform islam, just like what happened to christianity. I'm not expecting religion to disappear anytime soon.
@@ahmad6384 I have read this theory that Muhammad was playing the long game to eliminate slavery and islam. An Egyptian professor Adam and prestigious Islamic University even published a paper to this effect. He lost his job, he was declared an apostate, his marriage was dissolved, he lost all parental rights. His actions in life illustrate exactly the opposite. Muhammad recruited men to his army by promising them sex slaves. Muhammad kept and raped his four sex slaves routinely. His companions did likewise without reprimand. Muhammad even chastised Aisha for setting a slave free. FYI, Apostate Prophet compiled a brilliant video about Muhammad and slavery. His citations and research are impeccable. Muhammad's actions speak louder than words. Even so, the Quran codifies and sanctions slavery. During his lifetime, Muhammad enslaved infidels, kept slaves and sold slaves. The Ottoman Empire sold infidels as slaves in the public marketplace until 1918. Saudi Arabia (birthplace to Islam) openly and legally practiced slavery until 1967. The only thing that ends slavery in Muslim majority countries is condemnation from the West.
In 1315, Louis X, king of France, published a decree proclaiming that "France signifies freedom" and that any slave setting foot on French soil should be freed.
what logic is this? just do whatever today's society is doing and imagine that Muhammad would have done the same? what's the point of islam them, if you throw out everything you don't like and replace it with what you imagine Muhammad should do? maybe praying and fasting also isn't suitable anymore and muhammad wouldn't do it if he lived today! :D
How is this shame on all religions? I don’t know about hinduism and Buddhism, but Jesus never had slaves or encouraged owning slaves. Paul taught that within the church the masters and slaves were brothers and encouraged some of them to free their slaves. He also taught that slave traders, cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus‘s kingdom was not of the world, so he didn’t really address a lot of human institutions. But it’s clear that it was not an institution established by God.
The fact that slavery is allowed to exist in Islam, is glaring evidence that Islam and Qur'an CANNOT possibly be from a righteous God or creator of the universe, UNLESS you accept that this righteous God, Allah who is supposed to be the source of Islam and quran, is in fact, NOT so righteous or perfect as claimed, in which case, this not so perfect Allah who allows slavery, CANNOT possibly be God, because God by definition, is SUPPOSED to be all perfect, righteous, and BEYOND human flaws and immorality such as sex slavery, wife beating, concubinage, child marriage etc, all of which are allowed by Allah and exemplified by his perfect messenger for all time, muhammad. This is why I left islam. I could not in all conscience, follow and devote my life and soul to any entity (allah) ideology (islam), book (quran) and prophet (muhammad) that allowed and enabled the ongoing human atrocity and injustice of slavery, wife beating, concubinage, and child marriage.
I think that this kind of mental gymnastics videos wasn't really for clarifying to Muslims this topics, regardless if they're in western or Muslim majority countries, that kind of channels has the only purpose to watering down Islam doctrine into clueless non-Muslims who doesn't bother to research the real context and/or meaning of those kind of Islamic principles. Let's have an scenario: when a common western person have a concern regarding slavery, and more specifically sex slavery in Islam, a Muslim shows them those Shabir Ally videos as a hand-washing maneuver to address this topic. And then, some group of western people agrees that only Muslims "can" explain Islamic doctrines and no apostate and/or non-Muslim has the right to substitute the statements of any sheik, imam or, in Ally's context, "doctor" of Islamic Studies. Meanwhile, if I, as a western woman shows your video to another western person to show how effortlessly you disprove ALL points of Shabir Ally explanations, I'm automatically an islamophobe for trusting you, not this "scholars" or "experts" of Islam, as if being a Muslim makes you an inerrant apologist, which is clearly a preposterous claim.
He try make a lot of excuses..What's the difference before and now? In the past, slaves had to obey the master! And when Islam came, Islam said stop slaves, but what Islam is trying to teach, your wife has to obey everything her husband need?A wife has no right to violate the will of her husband, just like a slave cannot violate the will of his master? Plus You said the Quran says, don't hurt women, take care of them, but why don't they think about their wife's feelings when her husband has 2-3 or 4 wives Islam tries to be a hero to women, but what I see, the same evil, just done in a subtle way, no one knows the suffering of a wife Because in Islam, wives are not allowed to talk about household matters to outsiders.Suffering is obedience.This is just a law designed from their own interpretation,(Since he said, the verse in the Al-Quran itself is not clear about slavery) So all wise men, these men are trying to interpret the Quran With many advantages for the men themselves!And try to show a good image of them in the society, hijab, obeying their husbands, giving limitations to women, beating, that's all with the intention of protecting women's dignity!Although originally more on persecution!r!
"The Qur'an left the matter somewhat open" and this is why liberal Muslims not only cannot ever refute groups like ISIS - they are forced to hold the door open for them. I absolutely love your analysis. Damn, you deserve so many more views - your videos are gold. (Poor Shabbir Aly I actually feel sorry for him seeing him desperately struggling like this, because he reminds me of so many Muslims I know that are basically decent people but forced to defend the indefensible.)
I wear that as a badge of honor. Thank you
I DO feel sorry for him but I'm really bothered by his dawah's net negative effect. From PR for islam to more confusion to gateways to radicalism..
It's not easy to face cognitive dissonance, i know
@@ApostateAladdin I agree absolutely and it's difficult to know how much blame should be apportioned. I was born and brought up in this religion and believed it with all my heart. I also defended it - and taught it to children. It's difficult to know how much blame I carry for that and is something I struggle with.
I hasten to add I never defended slavery as something permissable today. I think I usually used the "context" excuse and it was a topic I generally avoided and put in the box "God will explain later."
Spot on. The next step in the analysis is digging into the manumission apologetic. I encounter that in a lot of Ahmadiyya apologetics as the last line of defence in an attempt to “hold the wall”.
I did not have time to dig into it and perhaps i should've left the last video out, but it struck me as laughable that this is a defence at all. Even IF true and observed everywhere, it is at the discretion of the owner, terms set by the owner, not often recorded in history as the conclusion of each slave's life (and clearly ineffective), and doesn't account for how most slaves never earned money.
It's all at the owner's discretion. It's no better than saying "islam allows you to free a slave if you feel like it", except the owner is milking their value first
I definitely need to make it its own topic of a video
When I read the Quran, my impression was the following: the prohibitions against alcohol and pork are quite clear and stern, with exceptions for pork only allowed when one would otherwise starve. In contrast, there is no clear prohibition against slavery. I will grant that the book does say it is better to free slaves, but this is quite different from banning it outright. It appears that to god, eating pork is a bigger evil than making, buying, selling, or owning slaves.
So next time a muslim says that the quran is perfect and no one can make it better. Your reply is, easy. Simply remove the verse regarding sex-slavery, by one stroke you can make it better ... there you go..
Asalamu'alaykum I recommend to read this article about slavery. Yes the Quran does promote to free slaves but the Hadiths also give them human rights and say if you have enough money then you should free slaves. There are many reasons why slavery was not banned outright immediately. The first was economic reasons and the second was related to human rights in the context of Pre-Islamic Arabia.
@@Nihaar1999tiger bruh your too far gone to even see the foolishness of having slaves. The fact your trying to defend slavery, I really hope you someday feel the weight of being a slave rather than spweing shit outta your mouth.
@@Nihaar1999tiger you comment prove Quran is a book of 7 century standard. A standard unfit for modern world
@@Nihaar1999tigerthe Quran did not ablolish male slavery or female slavery . The Quran only encourages people to free slaves there is no sin in Islam if a person does not want to free their slaves. Because of Islam countless south Asian women European women African women were sold into sexual slavery and the men were takes as physical slaves and castrated . It was Great Britain and USA who forced turkey and Saudi Arabia to free slaves. What your fake sky daddy could not do Great Britain and Saudi did. The purpose of hijab is to differentiate between free Muslim women and slave women so that free women would not be harassed as they walked on the streets of Madinah . The awarah of a slave women is from the navel to the knee, photographs of Makkah madinah show topless slave women . Slave markets would be held in the courtyard of masjid nabawi and masjid haram
The funny thing about these Muslim apologist is that they say concubinage is better than dating. While I do not agree with premarital sex, sex while dating occurs when both parties are of mutual agreement and equality where they found each other in a safe space (i.e. school, work, or a bar. (God forbid captivity)). If there is any moment in a relationship where it is unbalanced, it would be classified as abuse and rape (like sex slavery). How is concubinage more humane than dating?
They mean it's better for a man to have sex slaves instead of dating because sex slaves are halal & dating is not.
@@2jc937They are twisted and sick for thinking that way.
Muslim Apologists: ”Why go through the tribulations of dating when you can just own her instead?”
Why do you not agree with premarital sex?
@@kaan4943 Premarital sex is the act of throwing away that special experience with someone who you just met and a person who may not stay with. I would like to save it for the person who I know can make promises, and marriage provides that. I want to stay faithful to them and only them.
I'm Muslim and this is yet another thing that puzzles me. When Dr. Shabbir says that Slavery was the norm and that it would not be possible to make society quit slavery cold turkey, so God had to bring down the Quran to reform slavery... why doesn't God just do away with Slavery. After all, God created humans. He can alter their mind, their behavior. He doesn't even need to make it a law that slavery is forbidden.. he can just change the minds and hearts of humans so that everyone just understands that slavery is bad. THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!
sure doesn't, excuses like this pushed me away from islam
are you still Muslim?
It’s called free will, he didn’t made it forbidden that should be the question why. It was serving Muhammad
Like alcohol or shirk
I'm ex Muslim but it was Allah's test bro but the epicurean paradox solves both these problems
I'm being dragged around to family so I have to cosplay being Muslim but I'll watch this later tonight thanks AA. I wonder how Shabir Ally would feel if his daughter were made a concubine and sold or gifted for someone else to enjoy when her owner grows tired of her
Exactly turn it around on themselves and see if they change their viewpoints
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He would just say that that his daughter is Muslim and therefore couldn’t be enslaved.
By the fortitude of the fact he would be happy about the relationship I presume.
@@suadpattonbey7239 So what would he say if Non-Muslims came and forced his daughter and his wife to be their sex-slave? And then being raped by the invaders who occupied their land.
As a Muslim (in my late 30’s) also a father of boys and girls ,I really admire your honesty and analysis of the most excruciatingly obvious and painful dilemmas that we as Muslim believers face but do not address . I personally have been raising these critiques since I was 14 in secondary school for years to my fellow Muslims but have yet not received an adequate response.
Why are you still a Muslim?
Maybe at the very least don't force islam on your children?
And you still continue to be one and push your next generations also into this?
@onelifeuseit The fact that slavery is allowed to exist in Islam, is glaring evidence that Islam and Qur'an CANNOT possibly be from a righteous God or creator of the universe, UNLESS you accept that this righteous God, Allah who is supposed to be the source of Islam and quran, is in fact, NOT so righteous or perfect as claimed, in which case, this not so perfect Allah who allows slavery, CANNOT possibly be God, because God by definition, is SUPPOSED to be all perfect, righteous, and BEYOND human flaws and immorality such as sex slavery, wife beating, concubinage, child marriage etc, all of which are allowed by Allah and exemplified by his perfect messenger for all time, muhammad.
This is why I eventually left islam because I realised that the presence of all these seriously immoral practices within islam, is clear indication that this religion is man made and not from a perfect God.
As a result, I could not in all conscience, follow and devote my life and soul to any entity (allah) ideology (islam), book (quran) and prophet (muhammad) that allowed and enabled the ongoing human atrocities and injustices of slavery, wife beating, concubinage, and child marriage.
You have my respect, I am sure it was not easy coming to this conclusion!
The Quran didn’t appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood, but the Quran devotes more verses to ensure that Muslim men know they can have women sex slaves 4 times than telling them to pray five times a day (zero). So by realistic measure, the creator of the world’s most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.
The definition of Sexual Slavery is when a individual is considered human property and can be raped and treated like a commodity. This goes completely against what the Quran and Hadiths say because raping a slave has punishments as per Islamic Jurisprudence.
Salamah ibn al-Muhabbiq reported: A man had intercourse with the servant girl of his wife, so the matter was referred to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. The Prophet said, “If she had done so willingly, then she belongs to him and he must pay the likes of her price. If he had forced her, then she is free and he must pay the likes of her price.”
[Musnad Aḥmad 19556]
Ibn al-Qayyim said, “As for if he had forced her, then this is a type of abuse as compulsion into sexual intercourse is abuse. Indeed, such intercourse is carried out in the manner of a criminal offence, so for this reason he is not absolved from a fine or legal punishment.”
[I’lām al-Muwaqqi’īn 2/21]
@@Nihaar1999tiger crazy you were able to make your owns laws for your backwards religion. Not like everyone government in this world has laws, but that doesn't mean they are all powerful and think they are the one true law.
That is so true, never thought it that way, but makes a lot of sense
Eversince the internet, So many islamic scholars, imams & sheiks r having a tough time explaining, justifying & reintepreting the absurdities of their koran & haddidth.
The problem is that most of Muslims follow blindly any stupidity said by apologists
These are only so many ways you can twist the Quran trying to stop Islam's inevitable fall.
@@SR-mv2mf it will not totally vanish because there will always be gullible people around, why else people r still falling prey to online scammers.
thank God
Superb analysis Aladdin.
As a woman, I can't express how appreciative and reassured I feel when you bring such problems to light.
Thank you for valuing our wellbeing as you do. ❤️
Let's just say it was IMPOSSIBLE to abolish slavery
Then at least the prophet could not have owned any slaves to set an example.
Then muslims could say the life of prophet is an example for us to follow
Very good point. Lead by example, as they say
The same with sex with a child
@Nihaar1999tiger
Why didn't the one and only perfect god, Allah, command his perfect messneger, muhammd to lead by example and refuse to own slaves?
Why didn't he immediately free every single slave or concubine that was ever offered to him? Why didnt he have the perfect divine wisdom from the perfect god that he was supposedly getting revelations from, to understand the importance of setting a good example to his followers for all time and all ages, ESPECIALLY when it came to exemplifiying some of the most terribly atrocious and harmful of practices that has ever existed throughout history, such as sex slavery, and the most awful of all - child marriage.
Your perfect all knowing god had the opportunity to prevent his perfect prophet and book from engaging in these disgusting practices and thereby set a perfect example to the world and ensure that everyone was clear about the immorality of these disgusting practices forever, but Allah failed to do that.
That should tell you everything you need to know about who Allah and his prophet truly is. By their deeds you shall know them.
Indeed.
Of course, until the past two centuries almost all human civilizations relied on slavery or some version of a similarly servile and near-powerless labor class (like serfdom)
All the more reason not to take our modern morality from ancient and medieval texts.
Impossible to abolish slavery. Sounds like a weak God to me.
Pri-marital sex is forbiddin in Islam. Marriage is sacred. Sex is to be lawfully enjoyed between a husband and a wife. Yet when I was 17 and I first heard of sex slavery in Islam, my mind was unhinged. I rushed home from the masjid and told my dad, "Is true one can have sex with a woman not married to?!". As a teenager then, I couldn't fully grasp the gross human rights violation; but like any boy at that age infatuated by sex, I found this contradiction a complete slap in the face--a lie. You can't have a girlfriend and should feel guilty of desires, yet you can enjoiy your personal sex slave.
It really was a slap to the face. I thought the same, Islam is pure because it only allows sex in marriage. Flash forward to when I found about sex slaves and was scouring through Muslim websites and the Quran to learn more about it. I was sitting there outraged, and betrayed that god could allow rape.
What they’re arguing is that you have to own the woman in order to have s*x with her.
Ikr?? These hypocrites feel no shame in saying Islam doesn't allow pre-marital sex in the same breath as Islam allows sex slavery. In reality, they don't really care about sex outside of marriage, not for men at least, they only care about ownership and control over women. Women are simply properties of men under Islam. Otherwise consensual sex between two mature people wouldn't be haram while literally buying, selling and raping girls and women over and over again wouldn't be perfectly halal. This is why religious people are often the most hypocritical ones.
Crazy shit.
All cultures have weird shit.
Humans are funny things.
It’s great though huh?
What a funny thing is this life.
All the best!
100% this
One thing i have to give to ex muslim men and women. their humanity shines. full stop. arriving at a conclusion that they cannot stand views contrary to humanity, and fighting against all odds and standing for their conviction. i am a big time follower of Apostate Prophet and friendly ex muslim. this young man, Aladdin, just shocks me. he critiques shabyr ally not as a christian or jew. but just from a human perspective. his close friends are truly blessed to enjoy his good companionship. i wish him safety and long life. he should shine like a Magic Lamp. glad to find this channel and subscribe.
I am finding it very hard to watch this video, I am feeling disgusted and furious at all the
excuses coming from those idiotic men's mouths. It's obvious that Islam like other religions is man-made,
Men created Allah in their own image. Allah's behavior reminds me of an abusive man, "Do what I say or
I"m going to kill you". Great work Apostate Aladdin.
😨😱 I can't say I'm chocked, I know all of this as I'm an ex-muslim. But, I'm really wondering how a woman can willingly submit to this ideology. In my opinion, islam is the worst religion ever invented by humans. The humans that have constructed this religion were evil.
PS : In fact, in his last sermon, Mohamed said "be kind with your women as they are prisonners for you". Nuriyah Khan (Holy humanist) made a video on this topic.
Can you provide the link?
Even worst is that in my country a particular race cannot be in any other religion than Islam. People of this race are being forced by law to practice islam. I’m the minority living among these victims. This really makes me furious about political islam. Anyways, much respect for you sister.
@@Mannyxz which country?
@@gettingbetter5027 Malaysia and that particular race are the Malays.
You clearly have not read Hindu Books or the Bible to conclude Islam is the worst religion for women. But Islam is the best religion for women and that's why most people converting to Islam are women and they are the happiest compared to Western women on drugs and depression going through breakups.
Hello everyone, exmuslim here and it's nonsensical that sex outside of marriage is considered zina but yet sex with concubines isn't considered as zina and is accepted?
Also the fact that rape is condoned in marriage and raping concubines is. Disgusts me.
100% agree, concubinage is legalized adultery lol so is mut'ah which was apparently forbidden at some point but why did it even need to exist?? are men that sex crazy?
Comparing your crime to someone else's bigger crime doesn't justify YOUR CRIME, and that's what all the muslim apologetics do.
hell, often it's an identical crime lmao
Let us also not forget that Islam says that a "wife" cannot say no to her "husband" when it comes to sex, which makes the "wives" into concubines
I mean Shabbir Ali himself did say there's little difference between a wife and a sex slave.
@@amandadarkwood535, well, no wonder, with their teacher, the false prophet Muhammad, being the most EVIL MONSTER in History
that’s what they said
"He doesn't have the spine [...] because then he won't have the neck" 💀 im ded
I love it when people pick up on my stupid jokes
One of point Muslims debate about Islam being true is arguments of Absolute Morality;; and with a Founder who is a Ped0File ; Justification of Sex Slavery; Justifying killing of Apostates Killing Gays ; and forcing Jaziya on people who choose Critical Thinking and logic over Cultism ...Yet as per their logic their Morality is Absolute...
I feel horrible today, but your reactions made my day. Thank you! 🙏🏻 btw, I see this now, after years of therapy related to narcissistic abuse, how great Islamic scholars are in NOT answering any questions. They talk for hours and give NO response.
they dun have the answers thats the real truth .they just beat around the bush n give a lame theory.
25:10
"Polytheism was widespread in the ancient world. The Islamic faith could not come in and say that as of 12:01 am tomorrow morning there is only one God."
Oh wait, the Islamic faith did do that.
Lol
Excellent video. This style of analysis is by far the most valuable thing us activists can produce, IMHO.
I think this was a bad idea. First, I'm a big follower of Aladdin, and I did find most of his videos good ( satirical videos included). But, I think he was being too emotional here. It seems he was just pouring his anger with islam on Dr Shabir. The problem seems to be: why is Dr Shabir is still muslim and "defending" islam after knowing all the bad things in the religion. The fact is, muslims do not believe because of the negetif aspects, rather it's because of believe in islam that they have to accept the ugly things, sometimes with polishing.
Dr Shabir wasn't defending islamic slavery. His explanation is that, due to the society in which islam emerged, slavery was to be eradicated gradually, but unfortunately, muslims failed to do so.
Of course we can disagree with him. I believe that, an Omniscient, Omnibenevolent, Omnipotent Allah can do better ( also he/it could have made people believe in Islam without recourse to jihad on infidels).
However, I think Dr Shabir is of a rare kind. He is a mainstream muslim scholar that is struggling to bring islam to the 21st century ( risking being called a heretic by other mainstream scholars).
I believe that, the options do not only have to be either "leave islam" or "become an extremist like Daniel Haqiqadtou".
Finally, just like christianity, islam will not disappear anytime soon. The best for everyone is to have an islam that respect individual rights, including the freedom to believe and not to believe.
Even though he was getting emotional at some point (which is perfectly understable), he notifies us and tries to be avoid being emotional. His points are valid regardless of the seeming emotions
@@ahmadumeta4 , don't get me wrong, I like most of his videos. One video he made is entitled " I love you Allah", very emotional but, one of his best videos. I also like his satirical videos on Islam and the prophet.
My disagreement here is, him verbally attacking Dr Shabir just because he still remains muslim(after knowing all the bad stuff in islam). Mr Hassan Radwan has in fact made videos critiquing some of Dr shabir's statements but, without the attacks.
It's important to note that, even well educated people like Dr shabir are not immune to the cognitive bias caused by religion, especially if the indoctrination started from childhood.
Also, he wasn't defending islamic slavery. He was just stating islamic historical facts, and his opinions as to why slavery wasn't abolished by the prophet straight away.
As I mentioned in my comment, I disagree with his beliefs but, I appreciate his efforts in promoting a tolerant and modern version of islam.
And while I accept that religion is a human construct, I do recognize that most people see it as their source of meaning, without which their lives may fall apart.
PS: To my knowledge, Dr shabir is no longer proselytising and he rarely participate in debates now. He seems to be just catering to his muslim community and online muslim audiences.
And even if he is to lose his faith one day, it will require an unimaginable courage for a famous scholar like him to come out publicly.
It is really miraculous that he keeps saying that we should now fallow our straight mind, nowdays values, but still believe in Ku'ran , which states that is perfect and for all times! All the progressiveness that he calls upon is the product of secularism and advancement in human rights. It is not Islam that made this progression happened but it shamelessly borrow its values, like we should forget that in many many issues it is total opposite of those rights.
I kind of respect that he acknowledges that is problematic. It's cognitive dissonance. Growing up muslim in a western country, we generally just see the good side of the religion. Non-fundamentalist Islam, practiced in a secular western society is benign and many are great members of society. At some point, we need to be honest with ourselves and admit that Islam is not the guide for society.
I left a comment on the first video which has lead me to watch it more times than I’d want to lol. It’s so disheartening to see this dude defend sex slavery to his own daughter (his daughter is conducting the interview). Great commentary, as always buddy :)
At least we didn’t hear the argument that women dressed up and therefore “encouraged” the Muslim army. Apart from being highly doubtful, its victim blaming yet again.
@Sacred Warrior what happen? What is he tweet about?
@Sacred Warrior if what he said is historically accurate, I get the sense that the women may have done it in hopes of being treated more humanely. Sort of like the women in Schindler’s List who draw blood and rub it on their cheeks so that they appear healthier and decrease their chances of being discarded and sent to die. So twisted to believe anyone ever wants to be kidnapped.
@@chanellee9762 I’m tired when Muslim apologists use this argument. They cited their information from “western biblical scholars” whose analyses were based off of psychological theories than actual history of women. The scholars were trying to explain the women’s thought process and situations in biblical times through misogynist eyes. I do not believe it one bit as I have never came across anything like that before until I heard it from the Muslims. They are [poor] theories at best, but Muslims cling onto them like actual historical evidence to make them feel better.
During Islamic invasions in India countless Hindu women used to burn themselves rather than be captured as sex slaves by the Muslims. It is recorded historically but no Muslim scholar talks about this , they would rather talk about some Hadith which describes women dressing up in battle for Muslim soldiers
He said that people of today would have a problem with being permitted to have sex with your slave, “even Muslims”.!!!!
That says a lot.
Shabir is fully aware of the darkness in Islam he defends. He reveals his true character when he unconsciously and glibly glosses over horrendous verses and concepts in the Quran with dubious apologetics.
sabir is Guilty as hell, propagating this with so many duck tapes to cover up
fear of hell is what is keeping him
I've been aware of Shabir for a while. He's eloquently spoken, and that's dangerous. He's not as easy to dismiss, because he comes across politely.
Yes, but I do respect that he doesn't completely avoid the topic. He's definitely doing some heavy PR. That mo hijab guy just edited out his debater asking about Aisha's age.
@@iiddrrii6051, yeah. I've never been a fan of Mo-jab. I watched a debate where he tried to make the case for Islam, and wasn't impressed by his chest beating.
@kmt, how is a human real things, events and facts?
You are so logically consistent and eloquent. I envy you man! And of course enjoyed your analysis!
I love how fiercely honest you are about these Sheikhs’ excuses! Also, I watch your videos all the time and am SO impressed by your skills as an English speaker. You’ve clearly received very good education; your diction, pronunciation, and grammar are that of an extremely educated man and you should be very proud! Love your content as always and just wanted you to know how much your voice is valued :)
"Arab men in ancient times couldn't get laid and still can't get laid now" i love this dude
when you were ranting about how more people need to speak up, I was vigorously nodding my head. It is so important. I feel like one of the reasons it took me longer to really question Islam properly was because there was such a lack of ex-Muslims speaking out. I know a lot of them fear prosecution and so there’s nothing they can really do, and that’s yet another way Islam was designed to trap people into never being able to leave, but I wish those who were out to the world as ex-Muslims would speak up a bit more. It’s so lonely questioning your religion, and sometimes I feel like I’m going insane when I look at all the Muslims around me who don’t really question Islam (and if they do, it’s only aspects of the religion which they bend over backwards trying to find explanations for that will soothe their conscience) and are only, in fact, growing stronger in faith as they grow older.
Also, those people in the comments you were describing who are like: “Mashallah, you explained this so clearly” used to drive me crazy even when I was a Muslim looking for answers and would have taken any explanation offered to me even if it was the most absurd and convoluted thing I’d ever heard. After watching one of these videos, I would go to the comments for reassurance, not really expecting there to be anyone who actually agreed and whose discomfort was quelled, but even though I was actively seeking comments like this, I was still shocked to see them. It was a weird mix of relief, sadness and deep discomfort all at once. It really fucked with my mind because it made me feel like, if these Muslims can accept it than so can I. But I really didn’t want to. Even then. So I just ignored it.
Slavery was officially abolished in mauiritatia, as the last muslim majority country, in 1981 only, but the ban was not enforced, and many people continued to be held as slaves. It was criminalised in 2007. In recent years, the islamic state practised extensively slavery, based on the islamic tradition. The tradition in islam allows slavery, as slavery was widespread amongst faiths and civilisations across asia and europe before islam. The taking of slaves and slavery made up an important part of the narrative of the prophet and his life. Slaves constituted the most valuable part of the booty. Taking slaves was an important part in the motivations of the prophet's military campaigns. In particular, female slaves taken by the muslim warriors had to submit sexually to their new masters, and sex with them is specifically permitted, as well as the beating of disobedient slaves. However, the muslim tradition also makes the freeing of slaves a virtue to be rewarded by allah, but the idea and practice of freeing of salves did not lead to a general abolitionist movement, as the prophet himself had numerous slaves and was in fact supportive of the idea of (sex) slavery holding at least four concubines.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Quran 9:29 is irrelevant because that verse as per Tafsir At-Tabari was revealed in the context of the Byzantine Invasion of Tabuk and refers to the specific group of Christian Byzantines who violated the peace treaty.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Yes its very funny you've never heard of the Expedition of Tabuk. That's why you have no knowledge of the Quran but quote verses out of context like a Parrot.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 At-Tabari records:
Mujahid reported concerning the verse, “Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day…” that it was revealed when Muhammad and his companions were commanded with the expedition of Tabuk." [Tafseer At-Tabari 9:29]
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Ibn Al-Qayyim writes:
"The cause of the battle was that the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, sent Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi of the tribe of Lihb with his letter to Syria for the Roman king or Busra. He presented it to Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani and he bound him and struck his neck. Never had an ambassador of the Messenger of Allah been killed besides him. The Prophet was upset by that when news reached him and he dispatched an expedition."
[Zaad Al-Ma’ad 336]
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Safiur Rahman further describes the reason the conflict took place: "The Byzantine power, which was considered the greatest military force on earth at that time, showed an unjustifiable opposition towards Muslims. As we have already mentioned, their opposition started at killing the ambassador of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, Al-Harith ibn Umair Al-Azdi, by Sharhabeel ibn Amr Al-Ghassani. The ambassador was then carrying a message from the Prophet to the ruler of Busra. We have also stated that the Prophet consequently dispatched a brigade under the command of Zaid bin Haritha, who had a fierce fight against the Byzantines at Mu’tah. Although Muslim forces could not have revenge on those haughty overproud tyrants, the confrontation itself had a great impression on the Arabs all over Arabia. Caesar, who could neither ignore the great benefit that the battle of Mu’tah had brought to Muslims, nor could he disregard the Arab tribes’ expectations of independence and their hopes of getting free from his influence and reign, nor he could ignore their alliance to the Muslims. Realizing all that, Caesar was aware of the progressive danger threatening his borders, especially the fronts of Syria which were neighboring Arab lands. So he concluded that demolition of the Muslims’ power had grown an urgent necessity. This decision of his should, in his opinion, be achieved before the Muslims become too powerful to conquer and raise troubles and unrest in the adjacent Arab territories. To meet these exigencies, Caesar mustered a huge army of the Byzantines and pro-Roman Ghassanite tribes to launch a decisive bloody battle against the Muslims."
[The Sealed Nectar Pg. 272]
Saudi Arabia officially ended slavery in 1967 under Western force(another slave masters),,,but now it's still going on in private,they call them domestic workers..I was told by someone whose brother works complained to him about the food they give them at work,,after eating they don't get tired and they work the entire day,
Hold on Shabir!! Women in Islam are still slaves!!!!
Hey man, thanks for sharing it, I appreciate your honesty and clear exposure of this evil cult.
Keep up the good work.
Almost everything in Islam doesn't fit in this age it's not just slavery and concubines that are odd and seem depraved it is actually much of Islamic teaching.
But I still modern people converting to become a Muslim. Like WTF? Are these people educated or in their right mind?
@emmycaty4670 Approximately 75% of all converts leave Islam after 5 years. Islam publicizes conversions, but completely ignores the apostasy.
'treat your slave like you treat your women", so you agree? you agree that Muhammad saw women as slaves?
23:15 Allah was not able to find the time to create laws against slavery, he was too busy with way more important issues, like that of determining if people are allowed to eat shrimp or not...
Great analysis as always! My personal favourite part is 1:10:10 “Muslims need to do something URGENTLY 1400 years later!” 😂😂😂
Takk!
thank you, StalkeyFish :)
Hi! I'm still a muslim, but I just wanted to say I appreciate you calling out muslim apologists on sugar coating things or not giving the full truth of matters. I think it is very detrimental for people's faith and trust in religious authorities, and I wish people would be more thoughtful and conscientious when conveying religious matters to the public without falling into the trap of pleasing the masses, because it comes at a price for thsoe who are intellectual honest and curious enough to look into matters on their own, like myself.
For example, I had come across a video of a sheikh, whom I trust and was quite instrumental in getting me to start practicing my religion (I wasn't religious for the majority of my life and went through a phase where I was very devout), and he was addressing the satanic verses incident in the life of the prophet, more specifically the truth of whether it actually occurred. The video was super short and he basically said the report of the incident was mawdu' (which is to say fabricated).
But recently, I have been researching the incident and what has been said, and I read Shahab Ahmed's academic publication on a detailed explanation and list, with explanation, of all the riwayahs detailing the incident, and it's widespread use in the first couple of centuries in sirah maghazi and tafsir works, entitled Before Orthodoxy: Satanic Verses in Early Islam.This book listed all of the riwayahs and very much demonstrated to me, that it's more complicated than a short video saying "it's mawdu" basically don't give it a second thought. I also learned that scholars have taken different views on whether the incident occurred over the centuries, and I just felt decieved to be honest, it wasn't a great feeling, and it reminded me of your videos and the frustration you express. It is something I have also been noticing in the dawah scene lately as well, and although it may be suitable for the layman or those who aren't intellectually curious, it does damage to those who are, which is a group of people we should be celebrating and encouraging not pushing away.
Anyways, long message, but thank you for sharing. Although I don't agree with everything you mention, given I am still a muslim, it is refreshing to see someone highlighting these issues, and I can totally relate to the frustration.
Your videos have also made me more empathetic to the ex-muslim population, and I personally, see how someone can disbelieve in Islam, based on what they read and learn. I am currently on a journey to learn more and more and have this insatiable urge to learn, but I don't see my belief in God ever wavering, but I can't predict the future ofcourse, but I am very much more open minded and less dogmatic, and am more inclined to wholesome honest investigation and reflection wherever that leads me.
Thanks again!
I really appreciate your honesty, and your ability to see beyond the potentially offensive jokes to assess my videos. I count it as a success story if someone becomes more empathetic towards nonbelievers as you have, and clearly you have the presence of mind to review and assess your beliefs. Kudos!
And you don't have to lack belief in god someday. I personally don't have a conclusion about whether a vague creator exists, but I don't see god as a holder of any of the personalities religions attribute to that idea
Anyway, thanks again for the comment
Wish u all the very best on your intellectual journey! It could be too painful at times ,believe me it's worth it as you would realise one day!
Hey sister, there's a book made by sheikh al albani ( may Allah have mercy on him ) regarding the issue of the narrations regarding Satanic verses, and how it's mursal ,what they sheikh said is true , but it needs sooooooooooooooooo much more elaboration and explanation, نصب المجانيق في قصة الغرانيق
@@itss_amiyya7409 so it’s a bad book
You can believe in a creator to this universe without being a muslim or any other religion, just follow your morality and conscience
this is one of the most dangerous things in Islam
How about simply asking slaves if they'd like to work as free people rather than slaves? A society of free people should be more economically productive than a slave owning society because, among other reasons, none of the labour force is taken up with slave guarding duties. I'm surprised that Allah, PBOH, apparently didn't realise this.
"the only thing a slave has is a pulse". That's one way to put it!
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I mean his whol e argument was "Islam wasnt followed as it was meant to be, so therefore we should do what REAL Islamic teachings say (whatever that means) and not allow slavery today" I mean if, at any point in history Muslims were gina be living the teschings of islam throug and through, sureelyyy it would've been when the prophet was alive?? And he did allow it so....
The second sheikh only mentioned the autas incident. What about the bani Al mustalik event when the coitus interruptus issue arose. Two separate incidents. In both cases Arab polytheist women were kept as slaves. He's lying constantly.
Sahih Muslim 1438 a and bukhari 2542. See for yourselves guys.
Bedankt
Thank you :)
Well done. Politicians and preachers have no soul. You can't expect empathy and shame from them.
I always really enjoy your content!! 👏 What you do is important and even when you are calling out and pushing back on some absolutely atrocious teachings in the Quran and Islam as a whole, you are compassionate and level headed 🔥 we need more people like you!
Apparently, the interviewer is Shabbir Ali's daughter.
Yep. Apostate Aladdin has covered this interview before. That’s why his commentary was so fantastic this time.
He may have only done the firsyt half of the interview last time.
50:50 She has no right to refuse and reject her master
But remember Islam is a cute religion and you are just Islamophobia
Where is Ninja Mommy? 'kay BYE!!!
The manumission contract touched on near the end is worth digging into. That’s the go to apologetic defence I see in my circles most, to defend the whole institution. Reach out if you want to work on steel manning their position before dissecting.
A good question to the apologists would be: if manumission is such a good thing, why enslave men, women & children in the first place? Just abolish the whole institution of slavery altogether.
@@oishikhasan8500 “Because they loved it so much that they didn’t want to leave!”
Considering how Allah forces humans to be his slaves, how would he be able to say slavery is a bad thing?
I love your "Dissecting Apologetics" videos. Thank you for these!
We thank you and respect you, Apostate Alladin, for speaking the truth. Your work is important, your content is superlative. As a woman, it means so much to us that you respect us and feel for us. Please take care of yourself. Please take a break and do self care. We love you very very much.
Very well said 🥺❤️
Muhammad had zero problems banning alcohol. Imagine how many people lost their livelihoods because of that.
Imagine how many pig farmers and pork salesmen struggled.
Not to mention the poor silk traders and tattoo artists.
Not to mention sculptors,musicians,actors,painters of pictures and those sorts of artists that are not halal.
@@kaloarepo288 But Allah couldn’t ban slavery … What a joke.
Do you know why he banned alcohol? He also banned bells. Now why would he ban both alcohol and bells? Because the Christian uses wine for the Eucharist and bells were rung to indicate the times of the mass, when it began. We still do it today. It had absolutely nothing to do with getting drunk.
@@IshaqIbrahim3 Mohammad had no problem with alcohol while he was still trying to get Christians and Jews to accept him. Alcohol is not forbidden in Christianity neither in Judaism, so there was an impetus for him to ban it, considering he said it was going to be in paradise. Why would allah ban on earth something promised to you in paradise?
These are from Sahih, so I will try to make them succinct.
Narrated Anas:
The people mentioned the fire and the bell (as means proposed for announcing the time of prayer) and by such a suggestion they referred to the Jews and the Christians. But Bilal was ordered, "Pronounce the words of the Adhan (i.e. call for the prayer) twice and the Iqama once only."
Sahih al-Bukhari 3457
Ibn Umar narrated:
"When the Muslims arrived in AI-Madinah, they used to assemble for the Salat, and guess the time for it there was no one who called for it (the prayer). One day they discussed that and some of them said that they should use a bell like the bell the Christians use. Others said they should use a trumpet like the horn the Jews use. But Umar [bin Al-Khattab] said: 'Wouldn't it better if we had a man call for the prayer?'" He said: "So Allah's Messenger said: 'O Bilal! Stand up and call for the Salat.'"
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 190
Narrated Ibn `Umar:
(The Verse of) prohibiting alcoholic drinks was revealed when there were in Medina five kinds of (alcoholic) drinks none of which was produced from grapes.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4616
Narrated Jabir:
Some people drank alcoholic beverages in the morning (of the day) of the Uhud battle and on the same day they were killed as martyrs, and that was before wine was prohibited.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4618
And the contradiction
Abu Hurairah narrated that the Messenger of Allah said:
“Whoever drinks wine in this world, he will not drink it in the Hereafter.”
Sunan Ibn Majah 3374
So why would Allah put a river of wine in paradise then forbid you to drink it there if you drank it here? Does that make sense. But we see that wine was not forbidden in the beginning of islam, it came after the battle of Uhud. That shows it was not an issue for him at all until Uhud.
If the muslim does not understand, Jesus said as He raised the cup of wine "This is my blood which is shed for many".
Now you can see why mohammad would prohibit the drinking of wine as it is not only part of the Passover seder of the Jews, but used by Christians as well during Communion.
If he banned the bell and the wine, then he is not permitting the use because he is anti-Christian.
@@moorek1967 I have heard that about the bells but I haven’t heard it about alcohol.
From what I remember, grape wine was banned in the Qur’an and all alcohol was made completely haram through interpretation well after the death of Muhammad.
SIR PLEASE KEEP IT DOING CONTINUOSLY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING EXCEPT HATE AND TERRORISM IN ISLAM
It was narrated from Abdullah bin 'Amr that the Messenger of Allah(ﷺ) said: "Worship the Most Merciful and spread (the greeting of) peace.'" [Sunan Ibn Majah 3694]
Over 28 Million Africans have been enslaved in the Muslim world during the past 14 centuries While much has been written concerning the Transatlantic slave trade, surprisingly little attention has been given to the Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean.
While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day. A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts.
While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.
While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Transsahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%! That means more than 100 million Africans were enslaved by Islamic forces and then these 100 million African slaves died when they were forced to move from Africa to the Middle East.
While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.
While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.
While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.
apya.org/arab-slave-trade/
Wait, you’re telling me that the most perfectly clear and understandable book left some things open?!?! Makes perfect sense to me. If Allah created us all and everything around us…..he certainly could have gotten rid or not allowed slavery!
May be the reason the host seems to be giggling is probably she is tone/context deaf and just wanna be camera positive by smiling. She doesn't mean any malice against those women held as sex slaves.
I know, but it's sad that she doesn't feel anything for them. It's simply a matter of discussion to her
When Momo was dying, he gave his Muslim slave , Bilal , to Abu-Bakr !
Muhammad never free to slave in his lifetime. The law had to beg his freedom from Abu Bakr.
If we have to see that part of the Qur'an by today's standards, why not see the rest of the Qur'an by today's standards? Why are Muslims so intransigent about every verse in the Qur'an but not when it comes to slavery and concubines? It's all or nothing.
Aladdin, I feel like you could easily hold your own in a debate with someone like Omar Suleiman. You have a gift for discourse, reasoning, and cutting right through the BS.
From what I've read, the polytheists were often just killed. If she converted she at least got to stay alive even if enslaved. Iirc as well, the polytheist slaves were treated even worse so it was less the pagans women weren't raped, it's that they were raped and treated as even lesser than the people of the book slaves. Be raped while being told you're dirty scum sort of thing. A Jewish or Christian slave had at least some rights.
The wise muslim guy has nothing to say that makes sense. He is being dishonest to make the acceptance of slavery ok.
This series is my favourite even if it is hard on AA ❤
Thru our collective conciousness and the advance understanding we have now, & by the grace of God, we now know with absolute certainty that Mohd is a false profet.
38:26 I say this as a Muslim... this logic is absolutely hilarious and makes absolutely no sense LOL
You are doing a great job exposing all this sh*t 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💐💐💐💐💐
You misunderstood if she is pagan then he give her the choice to be killed or convert to Islam by uttering I bare witness. You pay her for extra work.
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it is not the usage of the third person - i hate the constant usage of the passive voice.
Brilliant analysis 👍
dr shabir dodging the truth with his famous shabir shuffle
ba'al in hebrew means owner, apparently, the quran has something similar. This dr. might have his degree in al-Azhar, because most theologians know that husband also stands for that.
Regarding the idea that slaves cannot be freed due to an absence of jobs, maybe the solution is to free the slaves and pay them for the work they were already doing! Unless Islamic slavery practice was to acquire slaves and have them relax and do whatever they wanted, the economy of the time DID have enough jobs. The wealthy and powerful did not want to pay real value of that work.
"In the ancient world, women did not have any rights..."
Um, actually bro?? In some cultures, they did!
If you find yourself defending slavery, you forfeit the right to the "religion makes good people defend the indefensible" quote. No decent person defends slavery. You still had the choice to not defend slavery and you chose to defend it.
Most Muslims I know would lynch Shabbir for these blasphemy.
He should say this in Saudi and see the instant consequence.
Your commentary is amazing.
Ugh!!! Haitham Talaat... I literally can't watch his garbage.
Mr Radwan, I hope you will see this message.
As a big follower of both you and Aladdin, I am a bit surprised by your first comment.
I personally don't see a reason for Aladdin to react this way towards Dr Shabir. First, he is not trying to defend the morality of islamic slavery, he is just stating some islamic history and giving his analysis on why slavery wasn't abolished. Of course we can disagree with his use of "trajectory hermeneutics" to explain certain controversial issues in islan. Like you, I believe that an omnipotent allah could have done better.
Also, Aladdin seems disturbed/angry that Dr Shabir is still muslim and keeps preaches islam despite knowing all the ugly stuff.
But the fact is, people don't believe in islam because of the ugly stuff. That's why, so many smart people are still muslim. To paraphrase you, due to "the emotional and psychological bias", it's hard to abandon islam.
And even if Dr Shabir is to lost his faith, not everyone has the courage to be public about it like you did. And for a popular mainstream islamic scholar, a decision to retired from the public will raise many questions.
So for me, despite the disagreements on theology, scholars like Dr shabir are not the problem, it is those preventing islam and muslims from evolving who are the problem.
As long he keeps promoting Islam and Muhammad as the most perfect person worthy of emulation in all times, then he is definitely defending these practices
@@ahmad6384 Dr. Shabir is defending r@pe. Under those fancy words and convoluted phrases, he is defending r@pe. Consent does not exist in the Quran. Apostate Aladin's reactions are absolutely appropriate. As long as people defend the Quran and advocate the quran, they are complicit with rape.
@@annegreengables6367 I'm not an academic, but with my little knowledge in history and sociology, I try to look at some of these things from the perspective of the premodern person. If I lived in that period, there is a high chance I would have been either a slave or a slave owner, or at least seen it as moral. And I can imagine a future when our descendants will consider us immoral and barbaric, for eating meat despite the fact that there are many communities in asia which have been vegetarian for centuries.
Again imo, Dr shabir is in no way defending the morality of slavery/sex slavery. He seems to believe in "trajectory hermeneutics". According to him, slavery was meant to be eradicated gradually, by restricting the ways in which slaves where acquired and encouraging the freeing of slaves. And due to the social context of 7th century Arabia, an immediate ban on slavery would have made it harder for the arabs to accept islam.
Of course I disagree with Dr shabir's interpretation. I would have agreed if we were to consider Muhammad merely as a leader and reformer of his time. But a prophet/messager of an omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent Allah could have done better.
However, I do respect Dr Shabir and recognise his effort in trying to reform islam.
We need more mainstream-islam scholars like him, to help transform islam, just like what happened to christianity.
I'm not expecting religion to disappear anytime soon.
@@ahmad6384 I have read this theory that Muhammad was playing the long game to eliminate slavery and islam. An Egyptian professor Adam and prestigious Islamic University even published a paper to this effect. He lost his job, he was declared an apostate, his marriage was dissolved, he lost all parental rights. His actions in life illustrate exactly the opposite. Muhammad recruited men to his army by promising them sex slaves. Muhammad kept and raped his four sex slaves routinely. His companions did likewise without reprimand. Muhammad even chastised Aisha for setting a slave free. FYI, Apostate Prophet compiled a brilliant video about Muhammad and slavery. His citations and research are impeccable. Muhammad's actions speak louder than words. Even so, the Quran codifies and sanctions slavery. During his lifetime, Muhammad enslaved infidels, kept slaves and sold slaves. The Ottoman Empire sold infidels as slaves in the public marketplace until 1918. Saudi Arabia (birthplace to Islam) openly and legally practiced slavery until 1967. The only thing that ends slavery in Muslim majority countries is condemnation from the West.
Thank you for your hard work,,,🌷🌷🙏🙏👏👏
Love this episode and hate it at the same time 😢
I love your outrage. It is so right.
In 1315, Louis X, king of France, published a decree proclaiming that "France signifies freedom" and that any slave setting foot on French soil should be freed.
what logic is this? just do whatever today's society is doing and imagine that Muhammad would have done the same? what's the point of islam them, if you throw out everything you don't like and replace it with what you imagine Muhammad should do? maybe praying and fasting also isn't suitable anymore and muhammad wouldn't do it if he lived today! :D
I think you need to got back and read what you wrote here. I feel you have missed the point by many miles.
That second guy is lying *so much* about the history of slavery is Islam it's unbelievable.
The "koran", is never clear !!!
Shame on all Religions,,,😔😔🌷🌷🌷
How is this shame on all religions? I don’t know about hinduism and Buddhism, but Jesus never had slaves or encouraged owning slaves. Paul taught that within the church the masters and slaves were brothers and encouraged some of them to free their slaves. He also taught that slave traders, cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus‘s kingdom was not of the world, so he didn’t really address a lot of human institutions. But it’s clear that it was not an institution established by God.
he looks like the finnish stand up comedian Ismo
oh my god he DOES look like Ismo 😂 voi perkele
@@sulk7080 my headcanon now is that he really is him, trolling everyone
Shabir is in shambles😂😂😂
The fact that slavery is allowed to exist in Islam, is glaring evidence that Islam and Qur'an CANNOT possibly be from a righteous God or creator of the universe, UNLESS you accept that this righteous God, Allah who is supposed to be the source of Islam and quran, is in fact, NOT so righteous or perfect as claimed, in which case, this not so perfect Allah who allows slavery, CANNOT possibly be God, because God by definition, is SUPPOSED to be all perfect, righteous, and BEYOND human flaws and immorality such as sex slavery, wife beating, concubinage, child marriage etc, all of which are allowed by Allah and exemplified by his perfect messenger for all time, muhammad.
This is why I left islam. I could not in all conscience, follow and devote my life and soul to any entity (allah) ideology (islam), book (quran) and prophet (muhammad) that allowed and enabled the ongoing human atrocity and injustice of slavery, wife beating, concubinage, and child marriage.
I couldn’t make it past the first 2 minutes of him talking, he keeps beating the bush, bro the bush is dead
That eygption dude's smile is creepy
I think that this kind of mental gymnastics videos wasn't really for clarifying to Muslims this topics, regardless if they're in western or Muslim majority countries, that kind of channels has the only purpose to watering down Islam doctrine into clueless non-Muslims who doesn't bother to research the real context and/or meaning of those kind of Islamic principles. Let's have an scenario: when a common western person have a concern regarding slavery, and more specifically sex slavery in Islam, a Muslim shows them those Shabir Ally videos as a hand-washing maneuver to address this topic. And then, some group of western people agrees that only Muslims "can" explain Islamic doctrines and no apostate and/or non-Muslim has the right to substitute the statements of any sheik, imam or, in Ally's context, "doctor" of Islamic Studies.
Meanwhile, if I, as a western woman shows your video to another western person to show how effortlessly you disprove ALL points of Shabir Ally explanations, I'm automatically an islamophobe for trusting you, not this "scholars" or "experts" of Islam, as if being a Muslim makes you an inerrant apologist, which is clearly a preposterous claim.
Virtuoso is not in the same sentence of what (shabby) Shabir is saying
He try make a lot of excuses..What's the difference before and now? In the past, slaves had to obey the master! And when Islam came, Islam said stop slaves, but what Islam is trying to teach, your wife has to obey everything her husband need?A wife has no right to violate the will of her husband, just like a slave cannot violate the will of his master? Plus You said the Quran says, don't hurt women, take care of them, but why don't they think about their wife's feelings when her husband has 2-3 or 4 wives Islam tries to be a hero to women, but what I see, the same evil, just done in a subtle way, no one knows the suffering of a wife Because in Islam, wives are not allowed to talk about household matters to outsiders.Suffering is obedience.This is just a law designed from their own interpretation,(Since he said, the verse in the Al-Quran itself is not clear about slavery) So all wise men, these men are trying to interpret the Quran With many advantages for the men themselves!And try to show a good image of them in the society, hijab, obeying their husbands, giving limitations to women, beating, that's all with the intention of protecting women's dignity!Although originally more on persecution!r!
Can you do one for Omar Suliman. Be Warn he still has that creepy smile.
Already have! Check the series Dissecting Apologetics
@@ApostateAladdin thanks