FAST and the FURIOUS!....Jayson SHAW vs Wiktor ZIELNSKI | 2020 Mezz Cues Stella Artois OPEN | 9 Ball
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2020
- Fast and Furios!
2020 Mezz Cues Stella Artois OPEN
Jayson SHAW (SCO) vs Wiktor ZIELNSKI (POL)
9 Ball - Race to 9 - Alternate Break - Three Points Rule
Commentary by Mark Gray
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Spot on commentary. I can't imagine doing commentary by myself and keep it interesting but this guy did great. Good stuff.
Thanks for the comment. It's much harder than it sounds!
Since I am watching this 3 or 4 years later.
I’ve so called advantage of hindsight.
Mark Gray is a great player and sounds like a good guy. His commentary is without fault.
But, (!) any one who has heard Earl S. by now, is probably thinking like I am.
Wouldn’t this have been a good match for an Earl commentary.
I am going to go so far as to suggest if Earl did go back and take this match on, even
Mark would watch and
Listen, and say
“Yes,that’s how it is done “
So ,(imo) Billiard Network , No one else
can really “cut the mustard “ .
I don’t know where you could find them,
but you need a lot of
Earls to keep me watching.
There is Scott Frost,
and there’s Jeremy Jones. But JJ has changed some,I guess to concede to the establishment.
And I already see Scott modifying his style also. Come on Scott, stick with what got you here. I never figured you to cave.
JJ, well I guess I’m not
surprised.
So we’ve got Earl and
Scott as the best of the best.
How do you copy that?
adios
Top commentary from Mark!! Thanks Billiard Network.
Cheers Brook!
21:38 WOW!!! z shot but on the long side of the table, nice shot!
SaiyanSenpai thanks for making a bot of it... we will analyze it on the Earl Strickland podcast coming put later this month
yea bro!!!!!!!!! that shit was spectacular and nobody is even trippin on it
That draw shot at 5:02 was naaaaaaasty!!!!!
Eh, it was ok
@@chuckg4229 If by okay you mean naaaaaaasty, then I agree.
On a brighter note, how's the weekend going thus far?
If that's a term! Certainly perfectly executed.
@@selphproklamed nah, I just meant it was ok because it's not a difficult draw shot. So, "naaaaaaaaaaasty" may be a bit of an exaggeration in my opinion. That's all, not a big deal. I apologize if I used too many or not enough a's.
And my weekend was amazing! All of my days are amazing when I get to wake up and see another day. I may even have the chance to find a cool cue or go hit a few racks!
I hope your weekend was just as great, thanks for asking! If that draw shot amazes you, I'd suggest searching for incredible shots on UA-cam.
If you want to see some serious stroke and some serious cue ball action, search for artistic billiards or some of the 3 cushion players doing exhibitions or even playing a match where they put together a nice point run.
Some of those guys do have some naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasty stuff in their arsenal! Enjoy and don't ever underestimate the power of that "a" key!!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@chuckg4229 No. Not difficulty. Just naaaaaaasty.
Commentarys done by real Pro's ist the best way, because they know what talk about.
Great match! In few years I'm sure Wiktor will win lots of tittles. It's incredible that in his age he can play hill to hill with possibly the best player in the world
CJ Wiley won his first world championship at age 4
@@cry_now_laugh_later 4?
Let's hopehe keeps this trajectory. Thanks
Pretty good match, i love the play style of both players, and im pretty big fan of Eagle eye, but Wiktor had pretty good luck in some shoots and pulled off awesome ones in same time, id love to see some matches of u Mark, and more matches of Darren Appleton, i enjoyed the commentary and thanks for upload.
Thanks for your kind words. There are a lot of dangerous, underrated players in Poland.
Wiktor Zielinski and Margaret Fefilova are the two players I have my eye on for major titles within the next 5 years
Only time will tell but they're both hot picks!
The Polish kid shot well, very smooth stroke reminds me of Fedor Gorst.
I think it would be GREAT to bring back "what's in the Case", and also some real non-biased reviews of some items (I know there are sponsors that could get in the way of that part).
grat match!.
Thanks for your comment!
Dobry mecz Wiktor ;) ZIEL I N SKI:)
To na pewno świetny gracz!
Why is this 3 point rule on the break even still active .. I mean, in this match?
Good point. It was introduced the try and eliminate the soft break.
@@billiardnetwork yes I know that.. But it fucks good breaks to often.
Blame the 3 point rule on Corey Deuel.
is it Eklent kaci and Albin Ouschan in the other table?
yes...we ll post that match too...commentary is added at the moment
One of my favs....Chris melting 8 ball rcrazy runout ....insane!
we will get that on our channel at some point
Jayson Shaw, 'one' of the best players in the world, on American Pool tables.
Gareth Potts, 'one' of the best players in the world, on Chinese 8-ball tables.
I would love to see a head to head challenge match between the two. Playing 8-ball, 9-ball, Bank Pool and One Pocket on both types of tables.
Mantap om
I just want to hear him say "The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain."
4:55 was a cool shot.
Mark Gray will be pleased to hear that!
After watching the first game in which the commentator said it was the third game of the match, the commentating IS good as Elex Washington says below except more could be said on how and why shots were made and the speed, english, shape and angles used to make the shots AFTER the player shoots them. This helps those trying to play better pool. What most commentators do is predict the shots BEFORE players shoot and they do this as most of their commentary. A little prediction is ok, but when it's about all you hear it becomes like a game to see how well predictions were made taking away the attention from the game itself.
thanks for watching!
Mark Gray 👌
Very good, isn't he?
Gotta love the 15 second shot clock!
actually there wasn't a shot-clock in place....this is their natural tempo
@@billiardnetwork Sorry, it was a lame attempt at humor.
We want earl!
There's plenty more Earl to come. Mark certainly knows his stuff!
Good video. Great commentary. That bell every two minutes telling me to subscribe is annoying though..
We stoped that... sorry
Wanna see wiktor in the mosconi cup soon!!!
Will Jayson ever be a commentator on the channel?
Nothing is impossible!
It would be great to see one of mosconi cup games by earl's commentary.I m not sure If u can just skip the original commentary🤔
Technically very difficult to achieve.
@@billiardnetwork yeah I see
did the KO brothers invited in this event
That was the Mezz Bucharest Open. Cancelled due to the pandemic
Are you kidding, alternate 9-ball at a race to 9. No matter what happened in this match, I wouldn't remember it.
Mark Gray. Pretty sure J only has 1 US Open title?
well he won the international open ...two tournaments in the same venue, prb that's how he counted two
I would like to see Earl-Joshi, must be a Thriller
I did and Earl smoked Josh
@@dannyberkabile265 mabe one time
Have you ever caught dirty tricks or cheating on camera? Id like to see it.
Great match again guys, cheers.
Thanks for watching!
The lighting above these tables is very poor
Mark thinks Jayson Shaw is the best in the world right now. Well, not sure why he believes that. Shaw is definitely top 10, but to me, the overall best player is Shane Van Boening.
Yeah shane is more consistent
Earl?
Earl?
Billiard Network Just calling for Earl, he is by far the best commentary on this channel....
I wish this guy would stop saying that Jayson is the best, or 1 of the best, in the world. I highly disagree. He's a great player but there are guys out there that will outmatch him the majority of the time.
I will say that he hasn't been as much of a baby, like he used to be, when things don't go his way. He and Earl playing straight pool is a prime example. It didn't take a genius to know what Earl was playing, especially if you play a lot of 14.1. Jayson just slams and rolls balls all over the table. Classy.
I've just never been a Jayson Shaw fan. He's his own biggest fan. I hate to say it about most players, actually it's just him. But I like to see him lose. Especially if he cries about something. He seems to be maturing and growing up a bit though. Maybe he'll stop being such a douche. We can hope!
Strong opinion. In the end, Chuck, I guess you have to judge players by their results.
@@billiardnetwork yes it's a strong opinion and I do think Jayson has matured since the few times I've seen him "lose it" on video, or in person.
I don't really judge anyone. I only give my opinion about certain people or players when so much is said, over and over, that I disagree with. It's not judgmental, it's only my opinion.
With this opinion also seems to explain why men's pocket billiards has been seen in a negative light for so long. When I say "men's" I say that because the women's "tour" lasted longer and was more successful while it was an actual tour. The men self destructed.
I believe the men, and women as well, could have a very successful tour again if promoted and shown in a positive light and had more supporters. Too many people think of pool as a "seedy" kind of game. And when players act like Jayson has, on a big stage, it only supports that opinion. And the same goes for Earl but he has more love and appreciation for the game than anyone ever has.
Tempers will always flare, players will always say things and act unprofessional, but there are still a lot of ways to make pool a more positive and professional game that would have a better impact on potential supporters and/or sponsors. Just my opinion. And I still say that Jayson is not the best, or in the top few, players in the world as the commentators kept saying. The Chinese players have a great chance to take over with the way they train and the "pool school" they attend. It's amazing to see how serious they take it.
There are only a few American players that have that much love and dedication to the game and take it that serious and have that much respect for it. It's a wonderful game and I believe it could be very popular among non players one day. There are a lot of games and/or sports with a lot of fans who don't play that particular game or sport.
Other than that, I still stick to what I said in the earlier post. I wasn't going to reply at all but I am one of those people who have deep respect, and a certain love, for the game of pocket billiards. And I do believe that it could be mainstream again with some work and dedication from the right people and organizations. Thanks for the reply, I'll probably bow out for now. I believe I've made my point and addressed your reply. Have a great day and hit em straight!!!
I make you right, Chuck. He's an emotional guy at the table and that can help or hinder...
I thought from the title that they would both be running around the table. 😕
It s a race to nine that finished 9-8 in less about 60 minutes... they did run around the table and average shot was at 20 seconds
Actually, the match started at 1-1 and partially through the 3rd rack. 1:09 plus 8 minutes would put the total match time around 1h 17mins. Still pretty fast though.
"Jayson Shaw - one of the greatest players if not the greatest" - Mark must had been drunk :D. Jayson is a very strong player, but GREATEST? Far from that.
Show and trump when ate u playing
Non-compliant or illegal breaks came from the soft breaking of Skyler Woodward. Small minds made a very poor effort to stop soft breaking with this 3 balls going past the head string rule. The problem with this rule is many times hard breaking doesn't cause 3 balls to go past the head string and the player loses the table by no fault of his or her own. With small minds it becomes a real dilemma because the way to do it without this unfairness is right in front of them, but they can't see it. It's done already with the speed gun which proves a soft break directly. However, I don't know if they could figure out how to use a speed gun.
fast and the furious*
Alexandre Wang thanks
@@billiardnetwork Sorry to jump on the bandwagon but it still says furios in the description, cheers for uploading 👌
qwertylolzdwjkz takes a day for changes to show
I'd be pretty frustrated if I were these 2 guys. Players at this level should not have to be bumping in to people from 2 other tables. They have their living on the line where as most of us would just find the 'crowding' annoying.
It's often the practicalities in a tournament with 150 plus players.
Ale sfrajerzył :/
Sorry to say but Mark Gray is not good at commentating this match. He could learn a lot from Earl.
Why is he not good:
1. He mostly tells what viewers already see. It is like showing a picture of a tree and then tell, you now see a tree.
2. Commentating should add additional information.Telling the score all the time which all can see is not. Telling a ball is missed is something viewers can see. Earl tells about all different ways to play a ball, BEFORE the shot is done. Or explain why a player does certain things.
3. Do talk about the on hindsight obvious things all the time.
Seems to me the commentator has not prepared him self. A good commentator would give lots of additional information e.g. about the players, the playing location, the event, the other players they have beaten already etc etc etc.
This is just meant as some positive feedback to give some thoughts on how to improve.
Thanks for your constructive comments John.
I mean Earl's commentary is really great and verbose. But I don't agree that a commentator is bad if they don't tell you exactly what spin a player is using on every shot. That would make it more like a teaching video than a commentary which is good too but not necessary. This guy Mark tells you what's going on in key safety situations, for me that's good enough. I guess it would be good if he verbally acknowledged when a shot is really difficult and what the player needs to do in those situations and also tell you when the player has made a big positional mistake.
A big part of commentary is just to keep you focused and have someone to share the experience with. I think the biggest sign of a quality commentator is whether they make you feel excited or inspired by the game and create a good atmosphere. Like in snooker when John Virgo exclaims "Where's the cue ball going?!!". It's electric! The signs of a really bad commenator is if they a) seem bored by the game or tired b) lose focus all the time and start rambling about the weather etc and miss key moments completely. The Supreme Pool series commentator does both of those and is a pretty terrible commentator.
Earl tells you what you're going to see for the next 2 or 3 shots at times. He has to have one of the highest pool I.Q.'s out there. He usually calls em spot on.
And he's still a dangerous player when he's not in his own head too much. I really believe that if he just went back to basics, without all of the tape, gloves and all of the stuff he wears sometimes, that he would be back to being a lot closer to the player he used to be. Definitely one of my favorites.
And it bugs me when they say Jayson is the best, or one of the best, players in the game. I just don't see it. Although he's an excellent player, there are a ton of matches out there where I'd bet against him. I'm just glad he's started to mature. He was a huge baby and a whiner for a long time. Not to be confused with Earl's passion l, respect and dedication to the game.
Some people say Earl whines. But it's just his passion for the game. There isn't a player, alive or dead, that has the passion and love for the game that he has.
Haha so when Earl whines it's passion? Please. Show me one vid where Jayson is whining and I'll show you 30 where Earl is. And I like Earl but not some of his behaviors in the past. And yes, Jayson is a top 10 world player now. Check fargo rate.
m.ua-cam.com/video/4G0Gx8suAQs/v-deo.html
This commentator: All about Europe, anti-USA, and may as well get on his knees for Jayson for the way he talks about him.