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In continuation of my previous post, it is important to distinguish between technical expertise and musical ability, as they are two distinct aspects. Technical expertise refers to the proficiency in handling the instrument, whereas musical ability encompasses the interpretation and expression of a composition.
For a musician, the ultimate goal should be to achieve a balance where technical skills serve as a foundation, but do not overshadow the essence of the music. This involves understanding and internalising the composer's vision, and conveying it in a manner that resonates with the audience.
If, as an audience member, one finds themselves focusing solely on the technical prowess of, say, the drummer, it indicates that the musician’s execution has taken precedence over the musical content. This is not ideal, as it detracts from the holistic experience that the composition intends to provide.
Conversely, if the audience is engaged in discussions about the depth and impact of the music, and how it has touched them emotionally, it is indicative of the musicians having achieved a higher level of artistry. In this scenario, the technical expertise has been seamlessly integrated, allowing the composer's vision to take center stage.
In summary, while technical expertise is an essential component for a musician, it is the ability to transcend technique and evoke emotions through music that signifies true mastery.
This is a lesson on life, not just one for drumming. I love this guy and his ability is a testament to his attitude. You get out what you put in. 👌
Nailed it Graeme
I'm so glad you're bringing this video back up. I've had many arguments with people about talent being a myth - for years. Not only is it an excuse to not try harder for them, I find it insulting to downplay the unbelievable amount of time and effort people have put into learning their craft. I'm a bass player. I'm no where near the level of El Estepario Siberiano, even after 30+ years, but I'm a pretty good bass player. I find it annoying to no end when people tell me I'm talented. Dude, I had no life for YEARS after I picked up the bass. Go to school, come home, play bass, repeat. For years! And I didn't even have a good structured practice routine. I could be so much better if I had a more focused practice regiment. Do. The. Work. That's it.
Yup it shows a lack of understanding of the work.
I was next door to the 'most talented drummer' in NZ for years at my old teaching spot.
It was a mighty coincidence he practiced twice as much as everyone else for decades. Go figure...
@@AndrewRooneyDrums And as a teacher you know very well that WHAT you practice is really important too! Diminishing returns is definitely a thing. Also, the progress curve flattens out an awful lot. It's *relatively* easy to go from beginner>competent>proficient but another thing entirely to get from proficient to great, much less expert.
True talent is developed. I don't see calling people talented is a slight. It just means you put effort into developing talent.
@@brycedavis907 Totally. I don't think anyone has ever called someone talented as an intended insult. I would say that the perceived meaning of 'talent' varies from person to person though and a lot of people never think about the amount of work that 'talented' people have put it. I'm sure most people genuinely mean it as a compliment and aren't being willfully ignorant or anything like that. You only know what you know.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Who was -the most talented drummer in NZ - please ? Very interested in your answer . Thanks ..
You absolutely NEED to review his rendition of “Take On Me.” It’s incredible
Sounds great Spencer
While I don't play drums I recognize this is a very important dialog that needs to exist. Not only in the music world but in the world of art and perfecting one's craft. No matter what your craft is. Thank you for unpacking this conversation. I appreciate taking the time to putting this out there. Much Love All
Thank you Kevin!
"Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard." Talent exist, but it should be a plus, a small difference to hard work.
Having a talent doesn't mean you don't have to practice to improve your skill, it means it's easier for you compared to someone who doesn't have a talent.
So I can argue...
EES has often claimed he practices constantly and is completely obsessed. So do you think this means he's not talented?
@@AndrewRooneyDrums you could have 2 people practice the same amount of hours perday using same the practice routine and they will each learn at a different speed.. No 2 people learn the same, everyone is different, thats just physiological. It might take me.longer to get my coordination equal to someone more talented. I'm not ambidextrous, some are, that can help a drummer move up faster.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Well I didn't say that. I'm saying that If I practice for 8 years as much as he does it's not guaranteed that I will get to the same level.
That's the difference between having and not having a talent. It's just a raw skill that needs to be evolved with practice.
This man is unmatched in so many ways
Yup love it Dennis
Once I've seen a postcard which has a beautiful bird picture with a lots of detail.. and that time I thought 'How could an artist have drawn this?'. It was a very detailed beautiful picture. I turn that postcard and there was a note. It's written that 'this painter has no arms. Drawn by his feet.' Then I've understood if you want it to success on anything, it's not about talent or whatever just work hard until your ass off.
As a singer and hobby multi instument player myself, I can attest that recording yourself is maybe the most valuable tool one can use for improvement. I started doing so back in the 80's and I still do it. Apart from singing, I'm just an amateur on anything else, but recording helps me to know where to focus in order to achieve what I need- whether it is the conviction of a vocal line, the clarity of a bass line, or a functioning arrangement of a song I work on. Not recording youreself, is like talking without listening what you say...
Very well said.
Agreed, I bought a dictation recorder at Radio Shack cheap when I was 12 (rather my mom bought it for me) and started recording my practice. It helped so much and I was able to get interest from local bands by playing my cassette tapes for them.
As a volleyball player... I agree... recording yourself is magic... you can see what youre doing with technique, whats right and wrong insteqd of someone telling you what you can do better.
So glad you did this one. There's so many good lessons here. I do recommend learning to read music, if not you're really losing out on so much, its like being blind and deaf in a library of ideas, where you cannot read anything or speak to anyone.
Yup I'm a big reader. But EES has carved out a massive niche for himself without it.
This is a great clip Andrew and the lessons learned here can be applied to so many other career paths, musical or otherwise. EES is an inspiration to us all - thanks for posting this gem :)
I really try to pick up my sticks at least once a day for about an hour too.
Some days it's really hard to "get in that mind-set" but I force myself and usually after about 3 minutes , I'm KEEN again to practice!
His and your words give me hope.
If you put in the time, you WILL see results!
I'm playing rudiments, patterns and stuff that I wouldn't have dreamed possible three months ago, and the cool thing is that seeing my own progress is motivation in itself. :)
The very second I feel stagnant, i pick a random Partido Alto or Samba or some other random difficult excercise and get absorbed into that for a week. It opens SO many new doors!
I LOVE drumming!
GREAT!
The respect among drummers here is uplifting. I've seen his responses to your videos and his videos about other drummers and other drummers videos about him and there's always an honest and mutual respect. That's so damn refreshing!! Thanks for your videos and I'm grateful for his. I play and I've learned from them but they make me happy as well. Thank you.
Valid in everything you do in life! Work ethic is a massive factor too!
Yes! And even if you don't reach any heights. You did your best.
Man "burn the boats" is an old reference, but I gotcha.
This is a great video, a lot can be learned from all these great UA-cam drummers. I'm still waiting for the Jamie St Merat reaction. Great content, cheers from Mexico.
I just found this channel, thank you. I love music but dont know shizz about the drums. I love seeing people do what I cant. Even more so hearing you explain something I'm already fascinated by.
I have to say, I love your enthusiasm when it comes to the idea of practice is what makes you better. I have lived by this for many years. It takes a while to realize this. Especially at a younger age when you actually think that you’re going to just wake up and be the best drummer (or any instrument for that matter)in the world. Keep these awesome, educational and funny videos coming!
Yup it takes a lot of personal practice for this to come true. If you've never practiced 10 hours a day you won't get it.
I'll have to agree that talent isn't the mystical magical thing that makes you better than others. I had a step son that started studying martial arts when he was 10 yrs old. During the first year, he was considered the best of his class and his instructors kept talking about how talented he was. This got into his head and he didn't want to practice after a period of time because he kept hearing about "how good he was." He won two tournaments during his first year. During his second year, he was surpassed by students that he had previously easily beaten in sparring matches. He went from top of the class and being told how talented he was, to middle of the class and getting surpassed by students who had practiced. He dropped out completely when he went to his 3rd tournament and was eliminated within the first round.
Was he talented, or did he just happen to have better coordination and instinct than the others at the time? Are the two things the same thing, or are they separate? Whatever you may think, one still has to practice in order to get better. I've seen the same results in the above scenario as well at work and other areas of life. Someone may have a "talent" or a "knack" at doing something, but if they don't practice they will get surpassed by others that were previously considered their inferiors.
Brilliant.
Yes exactly. This actually works the opposite way.
Those deemed 'special' have a hard road.
This happens in sport a lot. If things are too easy... you'll get lapped in not time.
Beware the hungry person waiting for your spot :)
It’s like everything else in life, you have to practice to make your gift heard. Each drummer is like a writer, expressing ourselves through our sticks.
I would say that talent does exist, but not in the way that people tend to think about it. I look at talent as a natural affinity for something. For example, talent for timing or rhythm. You are naturally in tune with how to time things or have rhythm. That doesn't mean that you can automatically do it better than people that have practiced, it just means that you can feel it without specifically looking for it, which makes it easier to improve upon.
I would also say that people have multiple talents or affinities for different things. These various things could be related or completely unrelated to each other. But being good at something is the result of hard work and practice, not because you have some affinity for something.
Take me for example. I had zero talent for programming, but I did have talent for working with computers. It made it easier for me to look beyond the keywords and ask the harder questions when I started.
Instead of asking how to do a for loop. I asked, well how does a for loop work and why does it work that way?
Let me explain, a for loop is a basic thing in programming that allows you to iterate over things.
for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) console.log('index: ' + i);
That is a basic for loop. I can print the number represented by the variable of i next to the word index until it reaches the number 10.
This meant that while I had a grasp of the concept, my affinity for computers made it easier for me to look deeper to really understand how the computer worked on a fundamental level for it.
This did not make learning programming easier for me in the slightest. I spent 5 years just studying and practicing programming for 8 to 16 hours per day. I obsessed over it and even when I wasn't at my computer, I was thinking about different programming problems and how to solve them. I would forget to eat (still do) and set scheduled times for me to wake up to practice and try new ideas.
I was also told that I was a natural when it came to teaching because I can take something abstract and break it down in ways that are easier to understand or apply. Which I did end up becoming a teacher for a few years and absolutely loved it. And my UA-cam channel is basically me teaching programming (granted, I haven't had much extra time to devote to making content over the last year or two). I still love it and have many ideas written down for what I want to make for videos, just not enough spare time to make it happen.
I think you have it partly right. What I think is the ultimate argument for talent is the ability those 1% of 1% people who are so incredible at some art or skill have where you could practice as hard as you wanted , focus as much as it is possible for you to do and just work at it your entire life and you will never reach that level of ability. It's maybe a bit harder to see/understand with musicians because it can sometimes be mixed in with people who have clearly obvious physical advantages which I don't consider " talent " such as guitarists with extraordinarily long fingers being able to do things that people with normal sized hands just can't or people who's central nervous system is such that they can MOVE their fingers faster than 99% of the rest of humanity. I think it's more clear in fine art. You can study composition from the day you're born until the day you die and you're not going to be Mozart. You can attend every art school and hone your craft constantly and you won't ever be da Vinci. You can write stories from sun up till sun down and you won't ever be Tolstoy. The difference , in my opinion , is what " talent " is. It's hard to describe but you know it when you are in the presence of it and it's just an observable fact that some people have more of it than others.
@@torgo4ever Which I think still boils back to affinity. Physical attributes not included in that ofcourse, but the affinity for using your physical attributes faster does indeed help with that.
I haven't met someone with "latent talent" that could do better than me in my respective field.
I have met people that are better than me, but that is from experience, not "talent".
Some people do have many affinities which happens to line up with a specific thing, which does make them better.
Go back to music. If someone has the natural affinity for hearing and knowing the different notes, timing, and able to come up with catchy melodies; Then yes, musically, they would be considered talented and be able to make things that people wouldn't think of. But that doesn't mean that they are naturally going to be better than everyone else for all of time.
I have an affinity for writing melodies, but don't have the affinity for time or hearing notes. But that doesn't mean I can't write a hit song (I have yet to do so). It just means that I have to put in more practice to hear the slight variances in notes that are close together and work on timing.
I'm in my mid forties and have started to teach myself guitar along with a few lessons from a mate.
He always encourages me to play along with him and a couple of other.despite me constantly saying not good enough yet.
So glad he does that,because while I'm not gonna set the world alight anytime soon,I'm absolutely improving.
He endlessly rolls in perfect timing across the kit!
I'm gonna hit you with a slight counter point. Talent isn't a myth, it just doesn't apply to mechanical skill. Talent comes from compositional ability rather than how hard a thing one can play.
Such a inspiration. Not much more to say about the man
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This is excellent, exactly the encouragement I needed to hear!
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Not even going to comment on the video itself, just want to say a big thanks for continuing to make really enjoyable, honest content 👏🏼 keep up the great work!
I appreciate that!
Estepario, concede una entrevista para Andrew y lo pones al día. Genial
SI! Tag him!
all we can do is getting better,he said ,he practice a lot over the years,but that man is next level,(rapido..el fuego)🔥🔥🔥
Yup can only do what we can do 👌
Can totally relate to that! I'm a guitarist for 16 years now and practiced tons of hours in the first 3 years. As I grew up and had more and more other stuff in life, my practice time dropped. Then, G.O.A.T. by Polyphia came out and made me want to learn it so badly that I practiced it almost every day for 6 months which has sky-rocket my skills to a whole new level. As said in the video: You always get as good as the amount of work you put in.
I literally watched this video of his last night and found your channel today. I drummed for 20 years and haven't in about 8 years. I am dying to get back into it.
Get on it Ted!
Did you pick up a drum set and play again?
Great video!! He is absolutely right, talent is a myth! There is NO substitute for hard work, dedication and practice.
Excellent video. I totally agree. Love the content, and love the FotC t-shirt!
This is how I think "talent" should be defined: The culmination of knowing what to practice, when should or shouldn't you practice it, how to practice, how much time is spent practicing, and when to move on to practicing something else (goes back to what you should or shouldn't and when). Then, when it's time to play music, treat it like an art--not a chops competition or recital demonstrating technique--you play the music, and let it just flow out and don't worry about what stickings or rudiments or licks are going on. Just play and let your practice support the music you want to create. Make practice hard, so the gig comes easy!
So many people don't know how to practice and how to find the holes in their playing in order to seek out new practice material, and this is the value of a teacher, spotting little things and pointing you in productive directions.
Here's another example of people saying "You're so talented," or "if I could only do that": Freestyle rapper Harry Mack. He's been free-styling (improvised rap, in case you're unfamiliar) since he was 12, but went to music school for jazz drums. While there, he learned how to practice effectively, and now he's a huge UA-camr who's now probably the best freestyler ever to live. Talent? No, practice and obsession. The difference between him and other freestylers (even the most famous rappers) is that he understands how to practice and what kind of discipline is needed to be one of the GOATs. He's constantly practicing new things that he's identified as weaknesses, and creating plans on how to break those skills down, and he's to the point now where he can improvise 10+ minute raps at 148bpm with a 16th-note flow using dozens of random words thrown at him by fans in his live stream chat and making them make sense lyrically. If you haven't seen him, you need to. He totally proves your point.
Eminem is other person who know how to study.
'Hard work beats talent, if talent doesn't work hard.'
Yup!
As a lifelong student, and player of music, I love this video so much. It's not talent. It's work. I think what sets one person apart from the next is passion, interest, and internal motivation. The brain will adapt to the functional requirements you place on it. If someone has the passion and drive, and puts in the work, they will improve at a remarkable pace.
I think it's important for the youth to know the message of what El Estapy and this video is about - hard work beats talent. It's easy to compare yourself to others in whatever field or area you're into these days because of the internet. It's also very easy to think 'I'll never be as good as them' and get demoralised. Just focus on you, and most importantly - enjoy it and have fun.
Preach!!!
I got my first drum set the summer of 6th grade, because I used my sister's doll legs as drumsticks and toys, trash cans, etc as drums. I took a few generic lessons, but sucked at them. So I started messing around, listening to music and trying to play along, and teaching myself. I learned at an early age that I absolutely cannot be like him, her, whoever. I couldn't, I can't, I won't. Period. I realized that I can only play me. Jazz band in high school helped me with my improvising. I had music in front of me just to look good for the band teacher. I learned how to listen to the band and how to WATCH the musician. I learned how to listen to cues. I also played in church. I had to learn quickly to ignore the off beat clapping 🙄.
When it came to practicing, I practiced some jazz licks, some rock beats... but I always jammed out to 6/8 time signatures. It was my all-time favorite. Latin jazz and church music has a lot of 6/8.
So y'all are absolutely correct. It's not about talent. It's about PRACTICE. It's about STUDYING. It's about BEING YOURSELF. No one picks up sticks one day and says "I want to be a drum teacher". You first picked up sticks because someone or something inspired you. You had an inspiration to be the greatest. Or maybe you just picked up the sticks and started as a hobby. But even becoming a teacher, you still strive to be the best. You strive to push your students to be the best. But most importantly, you strive to be yourself. So what if this guy can play with one hand. You want to do it too? PRACTICE.
Amazing and all so true 🙏🏼❤️
I look at talent as just a starting point in whatever they are doing. Everyone is different and starts at a different level, but it's up to practice and effort and work to get where you want. I'm going to up my practice time now.
I used to teach keyboards back in the 60's & 70's and I used to get the same reaction......I'm not good enough, or it's too hard for me, etc. My only comeback. regardless of age was: "If you really want to learn...really, really want to learn, you have to WANT it, and put in the TIME. It won't happen overnight, but if you PERSIST, really PERSIST, you will in time find out how good you really are or can be. I had a young girl in her teens, who showed me how much she really, really wanted it, and proved it to me. It may only have been one, but she showed me how she could play with feeling, emotion, and actually stir something up in me with her playing. For that alone, I was happy to have been a teacher.
Translates to anything in life too.
Hard work works.
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I fully agree it’s all about how much time and practice you place behind a kit. But I also say challenge yourself daily. If you’re not trying to progress your drumming you’re only gonna plateau.
Recording yourself is also paramount. If you’re not looking or hearing yourself from a 3rd person’s view, then you’re not gonna improve either.
I get it’s difficult to put yourself out there, but it’s a way to grow and better yourself.
Well said. I mentioned these elements during the video and agree with you.
One part people miss. CONSTANTLY miss. It's going to be difficult. Really difficult.
Quit something after a day, week, year or so? Forget it.
Takes years compounding small gains to get lift off
@@AndrewRooneyDrums completely agree. People don’t take the time investment to play and then ask how to do something. Yes you can always teach the fundamentals or the musical theory behind it, but until you put in the time and effort of practicing those skills during different tempos and different scenarios people will get nowhere.
I have spent a lot of time drumming, over 20 years and I can say that it’s 80% practice, 10% skill and 20% passion because if you’re not 110% you’re only shorting yourself.
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Reading music is just one facet of musical knowledge. It's obvious that EES has accumulated a vast knowledge of musical techniques, styles, terminology, etc. Perhaps he didn't get it from a classroom, but however he got it, he's got it! The most valuable thing he knows is that he has to put in the work and is willing to pay the price to reach his goals.
Preach! That was bang on. And I expect Neil Peart would have said pretty much the same thing: the key to success at not just music, but anything, is working hard at it.
Yes. It applies to pretty much any skill in life.
Yup love the openness. No smoke and mirrors or magic. Just work.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums yes but the reason there aren't a million Esteparios or da Vincis or Yngwie Malmsteens or Pavarottis or Tolstoys isn't because people just aren't working hard enough. Talent is very much so a real PART of a persons ability .
I agree about the talent myth to an extent. There are some that can pick up an instrument and play right away. Mozart could play and compose music at 5 , not much time for practice to get that good.
5 years is a very long time.
Depends what his 0-5 years were like.
Perfectly said. Kobe said the same thing, you have to make it your life. Whatever you want to play, career,personal goal, etc.
To be fair, his kit in the later videos does sound much better quality than his early videos
Thank you. 💯💯💯
You are so welcome 🙌
I mentioned these discussions during the video.
Drum Teacher Roundtable | TALENT | ua-cam.com/video/PXk0jB2xnvs/v-deo.html
Drum Teacher Roundtable Recap | TALENT | ua-cam.com/video/GLM0slnFFXg/v-deo.html
This whole series of chats is very near and dear to my heart. Highest recommend.
DRUMMING MYTH DISCUSSION PLAYLIST!
ua-cam.com/play/PLqspKksRqaUUAmIzvPi14ho5FzXklR2gl.html
If talent isn't a thing would 100 drummers that put in exactly the same amount of practice time under the exact same circumstances be at exactly the same level of proficiency after a decade?
I'm jealous. I want to be able to flip a shrimp, mix a martini and perform Tool intros at weddings too!
@@jaymakak HAHAHA
@@mjeh1 absolutely not.
You're not taking into consideration each players entire life pre practice.
Your upbringing has a huge impact on what you start with.
I get students who have never played drums but have played piano...
Hence they pick up reading almost instantly... hence they can eat up all the learning materials in no time.
^ Just an example. Everybody is completely unique. Different parents... different experiences... different exposure to music. Impossible to quantify this.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums still, talent plays zero role? How about the above scenario with quads? Same everything. If talent is irrelevant they should play with the exact same facility given the exact same practice. I don't think it works that way. I can't sing. Apparently I'm tone deaf and can't really even hear what I'm doing wrong. No amount of practice is going to change that fact and make me able to sing.
One of the greatest problems I had as a drum teacher was to persuade the parents of my really keen pupils to let them run with it. It was the most frustrating thing to have a pupil who wanted to do nothing but practice and play but have parents who actively discouraged this passion for it. A difficult problem to solve as they understandably wanted their child to have a concrete plan b should music not work out but in doing so it often became a self fulfilling prophecy.
Parents don't understand.
Certain parents ONLY see conservative options.
One thing to understand is there are jobs kids will be doing when they are adults that haven't even being invented yet.
Follow. Your. Passion. You will do it best. And when you do something well you get paid accordingly.
Man, that's so messed up. I have a 6 year old. And I can't imagine letting or wanting him to do anything other than that in which he's the most passionate about. Keep up the good work. It DOES NOT go unnoticed. Playing takes practice, and drive, TEACHING takes talent, heart, and a level of patience that isn't present in many.
@@e-man7143I really think it’s a fair fear to have for your kids, though. It really is. If my boy is on course to get a scholarship to Harvard for xyz and then he suddenly wants to weave serapes in the street for tips, it would be very scary as a parent as well as disappointing. Teenage years can go many different ways as it’s a very difficult time for kids. They need guidance because they really don’t know squat about life or what it takes to make it as an adult. Anyway, just my two cents
"Not good enough yet" is an infinite scale. You'll never be happy and there will always be someone better. Doesn't matter, everyone is different. The only difference is that release and you don't.
"What are you gonna do with all them ducks when they're in a row" - Seth Godin
Dude your videos are hillarious :D When you ask him to call you
The only difference between what he is saying as compared to what you want to say. Is he just says it the way it is meant to be said. Brutal honesty, no sugar coating no blankets no safe room.
Hehe.
Yup
Anytime you see anyone that is great at something, they once were terrible at it.
Yup. Nailed it.
Some people understand this. Some don't
He's right. This isn't true musical talent. It's only hard work.
There's a great book called 'Talent Is Overrated: What Really Separates World-Class Performers from Everybody Else'
I recommend anyone to read it.
Snap out of your delusions/excuses :)
Great video....both of you.....very inspiring....🫶🏻
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Drumming could be considered therapy for some, I thoroughly enjoy the role it plays in my life as a pure and personal release. Practice makes perfect, forsure, but is perfection really what we chase behind the kit? Just a thought.
Well said Nicholas.
One thing for sure in drumming/music. Perfection doesn't exist.
No one's come close to 'mastering' drumming.
Haven't pressed play yet -- over/under on "That's what she said's" set at 10.5
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Talent is referred to in the same way when it comes to Art when the reality is that most of it is time-based skill. You could argue that the amount of time it takes two people to learn the same skill could boil down to some form of talent but more often than not, the more "adept" individual is more successful because of the amount of time and dedication they spent to their craft. It's a SKILL that anyone can learn. However, I almost don't even agree with my own point when it comes to that dude. He's EXCEPTIONAL on a LOT of different levels and I feel like SOME of his ability actually IS talent. He has a thorough understanding of many, MANY concepts which speaks to his intelligence. That would be very, very difficult for a lot of people to surmount.
Great video! You should watch and comment his actual video 'EFFORT - MOTIVATIONAL VIDEO' from 25th sep 2022. This changed so much for me! I'm 13 and school is the most important thing (as my parents says...) but that video changed my focus on drumming. It helped me a lot! He's an inspiring drummer!
Thank you! Will do!
15:32 it's not the obsesion you need to find this what you love , what give you the chills !
Unrelated to the video content… just have to say I love FOC tee shirt and clip of Murray. Love that show. I actually named my dog Murray due to the show.
Talent most certainly isn’t a lie but I still love the message behind it
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I agree with this for the most part but what I think talent really is is a natural predisposition for a skillset, partly inherited through genetics and partly attributed to development through childhood which is a type of learning and development that cannot be perfectly replicated later in life regardless of work ethic. Some people have incredible natural rhythm and others simply do not (for an incredibly long and complex list of reasons) and while yes the person with no rhythm can absolutely develop it through hard work, the person with a natural affinity for it who works equally as hard (important) will always be at an advantage. There's a ton of things this applies to. Talent isn't a head start, it's a predisposition.
i have just looked thru your band maid reactions (agen) stil i have sort of started listening to a mor metal band from japan and i hope you can take a look at them? they have as many fans ;) the name of the band is "Lovebites" and "holy war" is a good introduction ;) especially the live video ;)
5:35 soo true !
Talent is your passion in a way, do what you like!
show this video to your students
My thought is that talent does exist, but is just a manifestation of genetic proclivity. I considered myself talented, but then still HAD to practice 4-8 hours a day for YEARS on piano, then bass, then guitar, now drums. It takes practice above anything else to progress. Talent is just a starting point and after a very small period of time doesn't matter at all.
I tend to agree with this take. Talent is a sort of natural inclination. This ultimately means nothing without the work.
Hey, I’ve been playing the drums for just over one month with no real tutor and so far I’ve been able to play songs like smells like teen spirit, chop suey and seven nation army almost properly. I would like to know if this is good progress or not for someone who’s been play about 3 hours a day every day for just over a month.
06:20 Regarding engineering. Currently he is using an EAD10 Yamaha. It has convinced me to get one. Not sure what or if I will use it on my double bass kit, for sure i want it on my cocktail kit. It is really a great unit.
Yes I haven't tried one. But they look great
Il talento non è in ciò che sai fare, ma nel tempo che dedichi a ciò che sai fare
Please do a video on @sailingbeforethewind!! Won't disappoint!!
Find your way and Work , work , work . This is the good way , i know this for sure now !
I battle with this to be completely honest.
I got to where I am with loads of discipline and practice, believing there was no such thing as talent.
I think I know now, deep down that drumming isn’t exactly the right thing for me. And I worry that the situation might be worse than that.
But I’ve been through a massive amount to get to where I am now. From this point on, I have no choice.
So, I think the critical thing is, do you love it?
Do you mean that because of seeing what some others are capable of doing it makes you feel lesser than/not worth it? Or you’re saying you feel drumming isn’t deep down for you because of not enjoying it anymore?
@@chexnfx7161 the latter, I’d say.
I’m lucky though, in that I have other things I’m passionate about.
I just think that it’s as important to love it as it is to be talented.
His name is Jorge Garrido.
El Estepario Siberiano is his channel.
It means: The Siberian Steppe.
A steppe is a grassland plain without any trees or lakes and rivers. ?? yea-no I don't know either??
pt.4 You should react to Ingo schwichtenberg Eagle Fly Free drum cam video, would be pretty cool he was the original drummer for the powermetal band Helloween
Great! Never heard of him which is nice 👍
@@AndrewRooneyDrums ingo left us way too soon
@@AndrewRooneyDrums and the video is Helloween - Eagle Fly Free (Ingo Schwichtenberg) 1989 Live in Japan if you'd like to react to it.
There IS talent. But it only makes it easier to learn the skill. You still need to develop and perfect the skill. I'm a natural at computers, but after 2 degrees and 25 years experience I am WAY better than I was even after 10 years experience.
Came here to say exactly this. Talent is just a leg up - you grasp things faster and more easily, you make fewer mistakes. But without practice and dedication, talent means absolutely nothing.
Hey Andrew could you please react to another el estepario siberiano full cover like killing in the name of. That would be really entertaining 🙏
"I would do anything to have that hand speed...". Except practice for 10's of thousands of hours. ;)
This video of his is the source of my comment on your last video ha.
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Like I said, you do not need to be obsessed because obsession is unhealthy. You need to be relentless. Being relentless is nothing but good. So long of course as it's pointed in the right direction.
It's the same for everything..Practice makes Perfect
I saw a drum clinic with Harvey Mason in 1986. A lot of the young drummers were blown away, asking him how he did this and did that.. one word answer.. practice! That’s all I needed
No one wants the truth.
They'd prefer to believe in magic and talent.
He is amazing as a UA-cam drummer but do you see him putting in any session work? Haven't seen him sitting in recently for any other drummers with big name bands.
How did I miss this? NOTIFICATIONS ON . HIT THAT BELL!!!. Don't be a dummy like me LOL.
Sing it SISTER!
I get asked every second comment about videos I've already done!
Don’t lie about talent Mr. EL! 😄
Love your everything!
Blowing minds every couple weeks or so. Just amazing!
Sorry to disagree but I wouldnt be an opera singer ger even if I practiced for thousand’s of years.
I could have been like 30-40% drummer you are but I’m 33 and play drums once a year maybe. Plus I’m 110kilos.
Aaaaand I still play better than my skinny friend who lives on drums🤷♂️ so what do I have if not talent? I surely don’t have hours of practice.
Forget about a drum set. I see that thing once a year 😂
You need both to be really successful. Talent AND hard work. End of story.
Fair enough!
at the beginning, the very beginning, you can not study for more than an hour. Your muscular and nerve system needs to learn how to perform these new moves. It is like learning to _write_ . You can not expect to shove 8 days worth of studying one hour each day in one day and expect the same result. The internalization happens during "off" hours (some say when you sleep, some say otherwise, doesn't matter). _Consistency_ of studying ( _every_ day), _focus_ during studying (paying _close_ attention to the motions) and _appropriate feedback_ are key for progress.
Amateurs practice until they don't make mistakes. Professionals practice until they CAN'T make mistakes.
this is why I'll never be objectively good, I only play drums when I'm playing with my bands. I can't practice by myself for more than a couple minutes, I find it boring and I can't work through that to keep doing it.
To be honest, this applies to *ANYTHING*, not just drums or music. If you want to get really good, give it your all! Don't just give it an hour or two a day. Live it! Eat it! Breathe it!
Talent is not a myth. Talent is the development of any learned skill. Natural talent however, is usually false and everything we know has been absorbed and developed through our attention, effort, influences, and life experiences.
Also, recording and reviewing your playing is the greatest tool of critique. But…. one does NOT have to put it out on the Internet. It is ok to develop your skills for many years and have the humility to feel ready or have a unique concept or artistic statement worthy of contribution.
If more young drummers had less narcissistic motivation and placed more value on music as an art form itself, I believe would be seeing more individualism and quality in our future drumming stars.
I think it is very important for educators, firstly to understand and then to explain to students that art is subjective and the value is in the beholder. It’s not a competition. And yes we get impressed by all the flashy stuff. But that doesn’t always mean he or she is “good.” For some drummers, being extremely versatile is their primary goal. For others the goal might be having a unique voice in a specific style. One is not “better” than the other. Set your own goals and know that they will change as you grow and mature.
And lastly, technique is the means to the end. It is a vital piece required to play any instrument at any level. Many people confuse having technique with being technical because the words sound similar. It seems like this is the case here too. Technique is necessary to do anything. The end. Good technique in this case is finding the easiest pathway between the conceptualisation and the execution of a musical idea on the drum set.
Technique is not a dirty word.
I would like to agree that no one is born with talent, but then I see videos of 6 yos doing drum covers. I think the logical conclusion is that practice can overcome the lack of natural talent.
In my opinion .....I truly believe you need enough talent ( coordination ? ,) In the very beginning. Once you see progress in your drumming, something clicks in your head. Now it's make the decision to dedicate your time to practice, practice, practice.
Without some sort of talent I think most would immediately quit.
I love you Bro 🙂
It's really not difficult except for people that want it to be because they don't like the answer. The number one characteristic of successful people is not brains, talent, or anything else that revolve around those things, the number one characteristic these successful people have is relentlessness. Remember if you think you can or you think you can't, you're probably right. And if you really want something you will do what it takes to get it, have it, achieve it, etc. That's how you know whether or not it's something you actually want or if it's just a temporary interest. Something that seems neat or that maybe you think your friends will think you're cool if you do it. What pathetic things people are. Also you need to change your attitude when it comes to so-called failure. The only way I will ever lose or fail in my life is if I die. You can only beat me by killing me. I win or I learn but I never lose. If people understood that initial failure on your way to success is just you leveling up, maybe people would view it appropriately instead of fearing failure the way they do and letting it hold them back from achieving what they want.
I don't quite agree - I think there is something called talent, but the talent helps you stay focused on the task you want to achieve, not being good at the task itself. Talent is being able to enjoy something so much you WILL want to practise. Having talent is basically having the willpower to succeed at your goals.
Aptitude
Success is 2% talent and 98% hard work.
I call that willpower/obsession/motivation. Grit.
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