Imagine thinking a new TCG where the prime consumer literally started with 25 to 40 year olds pretending they care about anything other than the value would be successful, Pokemon didn’t start like that , mtg didn’t start like that, yugioh didn’t start like that 😂 wise up tf
6 year olds have never heard of metazoo. They also had no ability to buy it let alone see it. The reason Pokémon is the biggest and best is because you had real organic interest from the younglings who grew up with it. The only people who bought metazoo were adult speculators. Sorry not sorry. Maybe in 20 years there might be a geriatric resurgence of Covid nostalgia.
@@electricearth1101 When your initial game was a massive success even before you started marketing it heavily, and became a worldwide phenomena after you did, I'd call that interest "organic." Also, I have no clue what your point is here. Yeah, commercials and TV shows to sell toys is part of the marketing process when you are that big of a success.
It was the Bored apes of trading cards. It was pushed by mostly investor bros, influencers, grifters and nothing else.And the art is also awful and game play is also subpar as well.
Thanks for your thoughts on this Scott and appreciate your empathy for us Metazoo fans that are pretty devastated by all this. It is pretty entertaining now though since sooooo much dirty laundry has come out now regarding the management of Metazoo and partners, etc. It has so much drama right now that it's better than Days of our Lives. Hoping there is a new season coming for Metazoo but more realistic the producers are going to cancel this series for good. Love the Metazoo merch too! Better late than never haha
i started collecting metazoo for fun 2 months after you made this video. i was out of the loop that it went bankrupt. got a bunch of nice grail cards. i made sure to go after tournament cards as well, being that you made a fair deal yourself about getting them. one day they may be something nice to have.
it didn't help that, mechanically, metazoo was a mediocre game at best. basically a way worse version of MtG with a sprinkle of pokemon elements and then a bunch of goofy unnecessary 4th wall stuff. and i think most people never got past how janky its appearance was. now it'll go down as something like the FTX of the tcg world imo. I'm expecting bankruptcy proceedings and zero accountability to ever be taken by those who screwed up. amazing how many people were completely duped, when in hindsight it was so obvious
Metazoo wasnt addressing any complaints ppl may have with the Pokemon TCG. Palworld is directly attacking the complaints ppl have with Pokemon PC/etc digital games... down to the dramatically lower price. If Metazoo revolutionized and improved upon the pokemon tcg that would be different. I will say I really love the artwork style of Metazoo and wish there was enough room in the market for both.
I dont believe that metazoo ever intended on basing their tcg on pokemon and improving the short comings for a new tcg..... they dont really play similarly at all. palworld is all but dead and irrelevant now. that tells you all you need to know about the publics opinion regarding knockoffs/imitations. We will try it out but once the excitement is gone we go back to where we came from to our 'old faithful's'. no one will swap in their pokemon collection for some imitation tcg no matter how much hype there is.
To their credit, I really liked most of the design of their products. Hated the card designs tho lol. Besides the nostalgia bait holographic, I just really thought the border and overall card details were so strange and almost random looking. It looked messy to me.
That's what it is! I've had this thing were something about the cards drew me but then also pushed me away, the card design doesn't fit the creature art! It feels like the people putting it together didn't talk to each other so the design elements pull you out of looking at the card art.
The moment MetaZoo promotes things like the Reserved List, NFTs, and crossover promotional merch, they bloated themselves too much. They simply wanted to focus on starting a franchise over actually making products people want. If MetaZoo was simply an affordable, cheap card game any kid can buy, then it could've lasted for a long time. Flesh and Blood didn't fall to that fault, and they're still going well today. Remember: People play card games to play, not to invest.
I've been with Pokemon, especially the TCG for over 25 years of my life. My all time favorite TCG with awesome playability, World of Warcraft. What a great card game, played it weekly and religiously, my heart got crushed when the TCG discontinued.
Its about time you finally made a video on metazoo Scott. I remember your first video on Metazoo telling everyone it would not survive. This is your second metazoo video.
Pokemon was built on lore, an anime, books, and a card/video game and then took off due to influencers. - MetaZoo did the complete opposite, they tried to get famous and viral off of influencers and then look into creating books, an anime and brand lore (collabs, events etc). They essentially took Pokemon's entire story line, reversed it and build it from the top down. Which obviously failed.
i think the main reason making a tcg is difficult is because people don't care about the game mechanics and they don't have any original ideas. When people don't have fun and interesting mechanics, they borrow from others and people notice. Meta zoo's art was god awful too and top notch art in a tcg is incredibly important. Art doesn't matter as much for digital card games like slay the spire.
Significantly stronger than Metazoo but will still struggle to survive long term because of the high competition. I hope it goes the distance though, I like the artwork.
An incredible shame with the genuine/physical Artwork and old school card layout.. Not to mention the vivid but classic holofoil... Difficult to find a TCG that isn't just about 'value' etc... Hoping something Artistic eventually comes along with this massive hole MetaZoo has now left.. Unfortunately it's probably going to be a bit detrimental for other indie TCGs with 'scam' in the back of everyones heads for the next half-decade.. 🥀🃏🥀
I think the Ditto reference is great. That sums up not just MetaZoo but imitation in general sometimes. You ain't gonna win! EDIT: Don't get me wrong, all great things have some level of inspiration from previous fundamentals. But, there is a clear difference between influence and copying 1 for 1. I believe any great chef, musician, TCG, business, group of people, etc. whatever it is out there ultimately 99% of the time takes influence from other sources. Nothing wrong with it but rarely do we see pure products. Hell, even Pokémon could be argued to have had "inspiration" from Dragon Quest. Regardless of how you feel on that as well, ultimately, Pokémon made a way to stand out still and their merchandise, game, anime, all helped keep the train going for them as the top collectible card game to this day I'd argue. Thanks for posting 🙂
"I can't name a single other Richard Garfield game" Put some respect on King of Tokyo's name 😤 Good points all around, the difficulty of designing in this space is insane.
Netrunner and Vampire; The Eternal Struggle are still around in some form, had resurgences, reprints, and still have active communities. Because they managed to keep their community engaged. Its a SMALL community, but its a community. And the fact Garfield's first 3 CCGs aren't carbon copies still blows my mind.
This begs the question… what then is a great way to launch a game in the current market, if you are an indie? I think that 1)you cannot aim to compete with the big boys. Not on marketing or for market share. No matter how good your game is, they will always out-money you and you will never be a threat. Instead, you make a game for a niche crowd and market yourself accordingly. 2) build a game that solves pain points in an original way, that evokes the EMOTIONS your niche can’t find anywhere else but wish they could, and 3) treat this like a legit business, planning for the typical lifecycle and all its ups and downs and challenges, and NOT only for a great launch. Aside from what I have mentioned, what does everyone think is absolutely necessary for an indie TCG to do it right, and be successful in a way that has staying power???
It was always obviously a joke, but what's even funnier is that after having more demand than you could EVER keep up with for your first 2 years of existence, you somehow go out of business within only 1 year of demand dying down. What on Earth did they do with all that money from 2021-2022? Not even I expected the entire company to go under in under 5 years, you'd have to be completely incompetent for that to happen.
@@monkey39128 Oh I'm sure that's exactly what happened. Quick $75M or so most likely, but I just don't understand shutting down operations entirely instead of scaling down and continuing to make your couple million a year until inevitably demand comes back 15-20 years down the road.
A TCG need collectors and players. No one was playing Metazoo, in fact the weird real life effects on the cards made the game pretty much impossible to play.
They tried too hard to become collector thing. All these 1st editions, kickstarter editions, kickstarter 1st editions, sample cards and I don't even know. Intentionally making these 'rare' variants. +Not very appealing art and weird gameplay.
i still think metazoo is pretty cool i wouldnt call it a complete failure yet its still relatively new you never know down the line what will happen n i dont regtret any of the cards i have cause i like the artwork. Them shutting down or w.e could actually make the cards more valuable in the long term no one really knows but I never bought a metazoo card to get rich lmao 😅 😆
im honestly surprised how at how big metazoo got in the first place. when i first saw it on kohdok’s channel thought it would just be another one of those niche hobby store games. but it got big enough to get into major big box retail stores
From left to right: Rudy of Alpha Investments, Gary King Pokemon/Metazoo, Michael Waddell (creator of Metazoo) and Steve Aoki (DJ and card investor guy)
Have you heard of Ward tcg? the brothers who started it have even been on the news already. would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that one. started in 2021, and never used a kickstarter
So many people weighing in on this have no clue what really happened. MetaZoo would be well and thriving right now if it wasn't for one thing, greed. Mike and Andy f'ed this all up. Not saying it would be the biggest thing ever, but it had a solid following and people willing to buy and play contrary to what many think. If it stayed somewhat underground, things would be fine. Also, there is more to this story...
yes you're absolutely right they were banking on the existing nostalgia of other card games. As much as I love japanese crap and cute or bad ass art work, I likely would never seriously get into a card game on its own. Not only did we play pokemon as kids we watched the show and played the gameboy games and then all the other games. Theres an entire culture around it, and dare I say that culture not only drove the fandom it overpowered the sometimes low quality content in pokemon. We kept consuming because we already like it. As an adult I don't play it anymore so to create a new game will rely on either collectors who for some reason genuinely like it, or getting generations of kids to play it growing up and build that nostalgia.
Hol up on Ditto, if you get a Ditto with Imposter they can transform automatically at the start of the round and you don’t have to waste a turn. C’mon son!
Honestly anyone who thought metazoo had a remote chance of being a big thing was either hoping to grift off it, or flat out brain dead dumb. As a game metazoo is a nothing, no one plays it, no one wants to play it, it’s a garbage design, there’s just zero demand on a game level because there’s nothing to it. Everything metazoo was based on was pure collectibility due to false scarcity. Obviously the scarcity is just manufactured because nothing would stop them from printing more. And the inherent collectibility is just nonexistent, nobody cares about cryptids. Like it was the most obvious junk product the day it was announced. Anyone who lost money on it deserves what they got for being that big of an idiot and for being into a TCG for entirely all the wrong reasons. Like do people learn nothing from history? Look at the 2 biggest TCG markets, magic and Pokémon. Magic the entire market is basically based around that it’s a great card game and there is demand for strong/playable cards within the game. Yeah there are collector pieces and rarities for sure, but the bulk of the market is gameplay driven (it’s why grading magic cards isn’t really a thing). You look at Pokémon and it’s a mega popular IP with the games, manga, anime, etc. The card game is a thing, but it’s really poorly designed and not heavily played for how huge Pokémon is. And the market for Pokémon cards reflects that, it is entirely collector driven (which is why grading is EVERYTHING). Metazoo is literally none of those things.
Ditto doesn't need to waste a turn to transform if it has the ability "Imposter" 😅 Can also be a really good reverse sweeper....Ditto doesn't always lose, is what I'm trying to say. Love your work dude 🤙🏿
Lorcana will last a lot longer riding on its IP, despite actually being a pretty poor game, but I think the real issue it will face is that if it doesn't make a zillion dollars Disney will pull the plug.
There's a lot of misnomers as to why Metazoo failed. But the fact adults jumped into this world to make TCGs a source of income starting in 2021, is the main culprit behind so much that has gone wrong in the TCG hobby, and this includes Pokemon, Magic, and even YuGioh, but especially in the Sports Card World. But I'd also lay much of the SCW on Gary Vee for pushing it so hard as a form of stock trading than anything else. My .2 cents anyways
I only just got into metazoo so its kinda sad to see its gone. I doubt itll come back but one can hope Maybe im bias cuz i LOVE cryptids & folklore, but i quiet enjoy the concept and world of metazoo. Maybe for another day tho 😔
Metazoo’s own internal contradictions killed the game. I haven’t heard anything flattering about this Mike guy, but anyone in the position of keeping this thing alive was just doing palliative care.
Starting a TCG is HARD! I've played multiple TCGs that have failed that were based on beloved IPs namely Harry Potter and LOTR so Ive learned to be sceptical of new TCGs.
Tbh i just now got into it, and i really dont like pokemon, im into it because me and my friend like mythological creatures and cryptids, i just think the art is cool and the concepts are neat, i dont plan on playing the card game or treating it as an investment but the stuff is just decently interesting to me imo
Metazoo cant be related to other tcg... Metazoo was absolutely horrible and a major cash grab. They sold pretty much everything else other than trading cards. Greedy chubby owner.
You say that it didn't generate any organic interest, but I have to disagree. With the game using Cryptids as it's main focus, it would've generated organic interest from people and kids who are fans of Cryptids. I remember finding the cards at Meijers and it got my interest because I'm a big fan of cryptids. I think the real reason why it failed was because of a lack of proper promotion.
Am an indie dev currently making a TCG ( i'm sick of the current ones ) , its designed from the start to not have any power creep ( 0 ), its truly a shame that these companies are just using us to buy there bad products
You really didn’t touch on the fact that management basically ran it into the ground, not only financially, but also seemed to be terrible with customer service, and spent too much time trying to do side projects instead of just making the game (and putting out sets)
Metazoo pissed me off from when I first saw it since I love cryptids, but they so clearly had no interest in developing a fun game and the crypto connection turned me off. I think there could be space for games that aren’t magic/yugioh/Pokémon level popular but still played, I like the digimon card game for one but I’d love for smaller tcgs to have success. But they can’t cost as much to make as the big ones obvi and they aren’t gonna be collectors items to the same level no matter what. Metazoo went after collectors beyond everything, it was so obviously such a cynical product and i’m glad it’s dead
So much of this series encircled around itself, if a company has a product with no allot of interest but no satisfaction, the ppl need to step back and look at what works and what dosnt, and make something that's competent to sell, but meta didn't improve and it resorted to selling it by nft in crypto to keep this working, its sad
Yah but a lot of people who couldn’t play oblivionCOULD play Skyrim (console limitations) or just heard of Skyrim first so Skyrim is more popular and well known now, I loved that shit, I might play oblivion some day ,,,
Buy the dip lol 😆 thanks for the video new to metazoo stumbled on this video I'm a genuine pokemon collector and started looking into others tcg. Thanks for video very informative
I've yet to see anyone actually playing MetaZoo, and I've never once seen it being advertised as an actual game. They dropped the ball big time on that, at least. The Pokemon TCG, despite being very much focused on collecting, is still a widely played game. If you search for like 'how is MetaZoo, is it a good game?', you just get endless videos on collecting and value. A TCG can't exist purely on collecting. And to be quite honest, it is a very messy looking product. It needed more "Pokemon" and less "Yugioh".
The same people who knew it was always ten thousand times more overhyped than the inherent idea behind the TCG also understand that the MAIN reason it actually died so quickly is because we're going into the worst recession in history. This will make 2008 look mild. Everyone's bills for the first time in modern world economic history have gone up 50+% in 3 years on TOP of new all-time 2020 highs at the peak of a 10-year economic cycle while their incomes are up only 12% on average. The correction in real estate and stocks and spike in unemployment is going to make 2008-2010 look like a walk in the park on a nice Sunday morning.
Love the video. You’re quite behind on your Smash Bros reference though, we’re on Smash Ultimate (fifth installment) and it’s arguably the best Smash game ever made. Brawl was many years ago. You’re right, Melee is tight though.
Fact Bubgie 343 and Bungie making a game from nothing and a few people then can not replace or fix Halo or replace halo Today with thousands of workers and millions of dollars each cant do what orginal halo did
you know Melee and Brawl were made by the same person & team right? Brawl wasn't "bad" because it was overhyped or lacked passion. they just wanted something different and famously disliked the competitive scene
When I first heard about MetaZoo I thought it was cheesy and a knock off of Pokemon. I knew it was dead before it ever took off. At best it was going to have a cult following of low IQ Timmy's hoping to make a quick buck, but not smart enough to realize they were bamboozled and their pockets were emptied... oh wait... too real. 💀
Imagine thinking a new TCG where the prime consumer literally started with 25 to 40 year olds pretending they care about anything other than the value would be successful, Pokemon didn’t start like that , mtg didn’t start like that, yugioh didn’t start like that 😂 wise up tf
kind of the story of crypto.
This is such a good point.
None of them start that way, but they depend heavily on that demographic to turn a profit
Tell me then why Star Trek CCG, Star Wars CCG or Battletech CCG all failed then?
imagine bringing metazoo to school as a little kid and being made fun of
6 year olds have never heard of metazoo. They also had no ability to buy it let alone see it. The reason Pokémon is the biggest and best is because you had real organic interest from the younglings who grew up with it. The only people who bought metazoo were adult speculators. Sorry not sorry. Maybe in 20 years there might be a geriatric resurgence of Covid nostalgia.
No one has ever heard of metazoo😂😂
They sold Metazoo at Target tho. It was available.
Can say the same about mtg
woh did you just call having a show on WB kids that promotes your card game and video game and has commercials that sell your products "organic"?
@@electricearth1101 When your initial game was a massive success even before you started marketing it heavily, and became a worldwide phenomena after you did, I'd call that interest "organic."
Also, I have no clue what your point is here. Yeah, commercials and TV shows to sell toys is part of the marketing process when you are that big of a success.
LOL at sponsoring the merch after they shut down 😅- great point with the inevitable failures in life... even the all stars miss the net sometimes
It was the Bored apes of trading cards. It was pushed by mostly investor bros, influencers, grifters and nothing else.And the art is also awful and game play is also subpar as well.
Thanks for your thoughts on this Scott and appreciate your empathy for us Metazoo fans that are pretty devastated by all this. It is pretty entertaining now though since sooooo much dirty laundry has come out now regarding the management of Metazoo and partners, etc. It has so much drama right now that it's better than Days of our Lives. Hoping there is a new season coming for Metazoo but more realistic the producers are going to cancel this series for good. Love the Metazoo merch too! Better late than never haha
Wow, Days of our Lives. Now that's a blast from the past!
i started collecting metazoo for fun 2 months after you made this video. i was out of the loop that it went bankrupt. got a bunch of nice grail cards. i made sure to go after tournament cards as well, being that you made a fair deal yourself about getting them. one day they may be something nice to have.
I never liked Metazoo but I have to admit, somehow I would buy that sweater lmao
it didn't help that, mechanically, metazoo was a mediocre game at best. basically a way worse version of MtG with a sprinkle of pokemon elements and then a bunch of goofy unnecessary 4th wall stuff. and i think most people never got past how janky its appearance was. now it'll go down as something like the FTX of the tcg world imo. I'm expecting bankruptcy proceedings and zero accountability to ever be taken by those who screwed up. amazing how many people were completely duped, when in hindsight it was so obvious
Metazoo wasnt addressing any complaints ppl may have with the Pokemon TCG. Palworld is directly attacking the complaints ppl have with Pokemon PC/etc digital games... down to the dramatically lower price. If Metazoo revolutionized and improved upon the pokemon tcg that would be different. I will say I really love the artwork style of Metazoo and wish there was enough room in the market for both.
I dont believe that metazoo ever intended on basing their tcg on pokemon and improving the short comings for a new tcg..... they dont really play similarly at all. palworld is all but dead and irrelevant now. that tells you all you need to know about the publics opinion regarding knockoffs/imitations. We will try it out but once the excitement is gone we go back to where we came from to our 'old faithful's'. no one will swap in their pokemon collection for some imitation tcg no matter how much hype there is.
To their credit, I really liked most of the design of their products. Hated the card designs tho lol. Besides the nostalgia bait holographic, I just really thought the border and overall card details were so strange and almost random looking. It looked messy to me.
That's what it is! I've had this thing were something about the cards drew me but then also pushed me away, the card design doesn't fit the creature art! It feels like the people putting it together didn't talk to each other so the design elements pull you out of looking at the card art.
The boxes always looked cool but the cards inside weren't great.
Yeah it’s almost like they didn’t know what they were doing
The moment MetaZoo promotes things like the Reserved List, NFTs, and crossover promotional merch, they bloated themselves too much.
They simply wanted to focus on starting a franchise over actually making products people want. If MetaZoo was simply an affordable, cheap card game any kid can buy, then it could've lasted for a long time.
Flesh and Blood didn't fall to that fault, and they're still going well today. Remember: People play card games to play, not to invest.
I've been with Pokemon, especially the TCG for over 25 years of my life. My all time favorite TCG with awesome playability, World of Warcraft. What a great card game, played it weekly and religiously, my heart got crushed when the TCG discontinued.
smpratte: Ditto will always loose because it has to waste that turn transforming.
Ditto with Imposter ability: 😏
You get a like good sir🎉
I still like the look of some of the cards. Mothman and the red borders!
Nice to see you Scott 👍
Its about time you finally made a video on metazoo Scott. I remember your first video on Metazoo telling everyone it would not survive. This is your second metazoo video.
Metazoo live forever ! Metazoo to the moon 🌚
Pokemon was built on lore, an anime, books, and a card/video game and then took off due to influencers. - MetaZoo did the complete opposite, they tried to get famous and viral off of influencers and then look into creating books, an anime and brand lore (collabs, events etc). They essentially took Pokemon's entire story line, reversed it and build it from the top down. Which obviously failed.
were no influencer when pokemon came out
and was the hottest cardboard in the world.
What do you mean Pokèmon took off due to influencers? Are we counting irl children on the playground as influencers?
@otterdonnelly9959 little Jimmy in Mrs Stevenson's 4th grade class was very persuasive. 😁
@@otterdonnelly9959I influenced a lot of kids to sell me their holo cards back in the day. lol
i think the main reason making a tcg is difficult is because people don't care about the game mechanics and they don't have any original ideas. When people don't have fun and interesting mechanics, they borrow from others and people notice. Meta zoo's art was god awful too and top notch art in a tcg is incredibly important. Art doesn't matter as much for digital card games like slay the spire.
What are your thoughts on flesh and blood?
Why do you think it fails?
F&B is doing one thing right - focusing on events and event support.
Without play, TCGs don't work.
Significantly stronger than Metazoo but will still struggle to survive long term because of the high competition. I hope it goes the distance though, I like the artwork.
F&B is doomed
An incredible shame with the genuine/physical Artwork and old school card layout.. Not to mention the vivid but classic holofoil...
Difficult to find a TCG that isn't just about 'value' etc... Hoping something Artistic eventually comes along with this massive hole MetaZoo has now left..
Unfortunately it's probably going to be a bit detrimental for other indie TCGs with 'scam' in the back of everyones heads for the next half-decade..
🥀🃏🥀
MetaZoo was ugly, sorry
It could have been an oddball thing to find in small-town places to find. They had some real potential.
I think the Ditto reference is great. That sums up not just MetaZoo but imitation in general sometimes. You ain't gonna win!
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, all great things have some level of inspiration from previous fundamentals. But, there is a clear difference between influence and copying 1 for 1. I believe any great chef, musician, TCG, business, group of people, etc. whatever it is out there ultimately 99% of the time takes influence from other sources. Nothing wrong with it but rarely do we see pure products. Hell, even Pokémon could be argued to have had "inspiration" from Dragon Quest. Regardless of how you feel on that as well, ultimately, Pokémon made a way to stand out still and their merchandise, game, anime, all helped keep the train going for them as the top collectible card game to this day I'd argue. Thanks for posting 🙂
"I can't name a single other Richard Garfield game"
Put some respect on King of Tokyo's name 😤
Good points all around, the difficulty of designing in this space is insane.
Netrunner and Vampire; The Eternal Struggle are still around in some form, had resurgences, reprints, and still have active communities. Because they managed to keep their community engaged. Its a SMALL community, but its a community. And the fact Garfield's first 3 CCGs aren't carbon copies still blows my mind.
Do you have any thoughts on the new Kickstarter TCG called Wonders of the First?
This begs the question… what then is a great way to launch a game in the current market, if you are an indie? I think that 1)you cannot aim to compete with the big boys. Not on marketing or for market share. No matter how good your game is, they will always out-money you and you will never be a threat. Instead, you make a game for a niche crowd and market yourself accordingly. 2) build a game that solves pain points in an original way, that evokes the EMOTIONS your niche can’t find anywhere else but wish they could, and 3) treat this like a legit business, planning for the typical lifecycle and all its ups and downs and challenges, and NOT only for a great launch.
Aside from what I have mentioned, what does everyone think is absolutely necessary for an indie TCG to do it right, and be successful in a way that has staying power???
Simple answer = the shills and scammers pictured like money and made as much as they could then said adios ✈️
It was always obviously a joke, but what's even funnier is that after having more demand than you could EVER keep up with for your first 2 years of existence, you somehow go out of business within only 1 year of demand dying down. What on Earth did they do with all that money from 2021-2022? Not even I expected the entire company to go under in under 5 years, you'd have to be completely incompetent for that to happen.
I'd imagine a lot of it has ended up in Wadell's back pocket. He'll declare bankruptcy and sail off into the sunset.
@@monkey39128 Oh I'm sure that's exactly what happened. Quick $75M or so most likely, but I just don't understand shutting down operations entirely instead of scaling down and continuing to make your couple million a year until inevitably demand comes back 15-20 years down the road.
or a genius to plan for it to go under and run off with the money
A TCG need collectors and players. No one was playing Metazoo, in fact the weird real life effects on the cards made the game pretty much impossible to play.
They tried too hard to become collector thing. All these 1st editions, kickstarter editions, kickstarter 1st editions, sample cards and I don't even know. Intentionally making these 'rare' variants.
+Not very appealing art and weird gameplay.
Can they still release the IP so someone can make it work? Could it just take another leader, and one that appreciates cryptids and TCG and RPG?
i still think metazoo is pretty cool i wouldnt call it a complete failure yet its still relatively new you never know down the line what will happen n i dont regtret any of the cards i have cause i like the artwork. Them shutting down or w.e could actually make the cards more valuable in the long term no one really knows but I never bought a metazoo card to get rich lmao 😅 😆
I would love to hear your opinion and thoughts on the Pokémon vintage food collecting lol
This advertisement video will help save MetaZoo. 🙏
im honestly surprised how at how big metazoo got in the first place. when i first saw it on kohdok’s channel thought it would just be another one of those niche hobby store games. but it got big enough to get into major big box retail stores
Who is the guy second from the left in the thumbnail?
From left to right:
Rudy of Alpha Investments, Gary King Pokemon/Metazoo, Michael Waddell (creator of Metazoo) and Steve Aoki (DJ and card investor guy)
Have you heard of Ward tcg? the brothers who started it have even been on the news already. would be interested in hearing your thoughts on that one. started in 2021, and never used a kickstarter
So many people weighing in on this have no clue what really happened. MetaZoo would be well and thriving right now if it wasn't for one thing, greed. Mike and Andy f'ed this all up. Not saying it would be the biggest thing ever, but it had a solid following and people willing to buy and play contrary to what many think. If it stayed somewhat underground, things would be fine. Also, there is more to this story...
yes you're absolutely right they were banking on the existing nostalgia of other card games. As much as I love japanese crap and cute or bad ass art work, I likely would never seriously get into a card game on its own. Not only did we play pokemon as kids we watched the show and played the gameboy games and then all the other games. Theres an entire culture around it, and dare I say that culture not only drove the fandom it overpowered the sometimes low quality content in pokemon. We kept consuming because we already like it. As an adult I don't play it anymore so to create a new game will rely on either collectors who for some reason genuinely like it, or getting generations of kids to play it growing up and build that nostalgia.
Hol up on Ditto, if you get a Ditto with Imposter they can transform automatically at the start of the round and you don’t have to waste a turn. C’mon son!
Honestly anyone who thought metazoo had a remote chance of being a big thing was either hoping to grift off it, or flat out brain dead dumb. As a game metazoo is a nothing, no one plays it, no one wants to play it, it’s a garbage design, there’s just zero demand on a game level because there’s nothing to it.
Everything metazoo was based on was pure collectibility due to false scarcity. Obviously the scarcity is just manufactured because nothing would stop them from printing more. And the inherent collectibility is just nonexistent, nobody cares about cryptids. Like it was the most obvious junk product the day it was announced. Anyone who lost money on it deserves what they got for being that big of an idiot and for being into a TCG for entirely all the wrong reasons.
Like do people learn nothing from history? Look at the 2 biggest TCG markets, magic and Pokémon. Magic the entire market is basically based around that it’s a great card game and there is demand for strong/playable cards within the game. Yeah there are collector pieces and rarities for sure, but the bulk of the market is gameplay driven (it’s why grading magic cards isn’t really a thing).
You look at Pokémon and it’s a mega popular IP with the games, manga, anime, etc. The card game is a thing, but it’s really poorly designed and not heavily played for how huge Pokémon is. And the market for Pokémon cards reflects that, it is entirely collector driven (which is why grading is EVERYTHING).
Metazoo is literally none of those things.
Hilarious to show their product after they flopped.
Ditto doesn't need to waste a turn to transform if it has the ability "Imposter" 😅 Can also be a really good reverse sweeper....Ditto doesn't always lose, is what I'm trying to say. Love your work dude 🤙🏿
This guy gets it
haha nah i think you bought all that. you were a fan secretly. Investors are investors.
Do you think lorcana will go the same way?
The Disney IP helps the game a ton. It'll last longer than MetaZoo but not much.
Lorcana will last a lot longer riding on its IP, despite actually being a pretty poor game, but I think the real issue it will face is that if it doesn't make a zillion dollars Disney will pull the plug.
Right now No. It's in the Top 3 TCGS sales right now. 1. Magic 2.Pokemon 3.Lorcana
"Ditto's always gonna lose because it's gotta waste that turn transforming"
Bro has never heard of hidden abilities before
Shut up nerd
"without that he's just a pink blob"
Kirby nibbus: am i a joke to you?
There's a lot of misnomers as to why Metazoo failed. But the fact adults jumped into this world to make TCGs a source of income starting in 2021, is the main culprit behind so much that has gone wrong in the TCG hobby, and this includes Pokemon, Magic, and even YuGioh, but especially in the Sports Card World. But I'd also lay much of the SCW on Gary Vee for pushing it so hard as a form of stock trading than anything else. My .2 cents anyways
Metazoo literally straight copies Magic cards lol.
when I heard the big chase card was "moth man", I knew it never stood a chance
They fail because Pokemon didn’t.
I only just got into metazoo so its kinda sad to see its gone. I doubt itll come back but one can hope
Maybe im bias cuz i LOVE cryptids & folklore, but i quiet enjoy the concept and world of metazoo. Maybe for another day tho 😔
Metazoo failed because it was a scam to begin with. There was no gameplay no tournament play nothing. Just people hyping it up to dump it.
40 year olds pumping and dumping each other.
Mike waddell kill the game.
Metazoo’s own internal contradictions killed the game. I haven’t heard anything flattering about this Mike guy, but anyone in the position of keeping this thing alive was just doing palliative care.
Starting a TCG is HARD! I've played multiple TCGs that have failed that were based on beloved IPs namely Harry Potter and LOTR so Ive learned to be sceptical of new TCGs.
Tbh i just now got into it, and i really dont like pokemon, im into it because me and my friend like mythological creatures and cryptids, i just think the art is cool and the concepts are neat, i dont plan on playing the card game or treating it as an investment but the stuff is just decently interesting to me imo
Pokémon and Yu-Gi-Oh! for life for me 💪🏻
Will pokemon games step it up after palworld?
They must, also the next gen will be Generation 10 - they need it to be a success.
pal world already lost 65% of their max players since launch. same as all these fotm games. pokemon dont gotta do shit
Have they brought back the Battle Frontier yet? That was my favourite bit back in the day.
After the video, i still dont know why Metazoo fail
Lol damn Pratte!now you wear it
Just an fyi, ditto doesn’t have to waste a turn transforming anymore, it’s baked into its ability and ditto often can win
Simple, it was made to be collectible, like what did you expect when they literaly had Psa promo card
The jumper suits you
Is Altered TCG going to be the next Pokemon or the next Metazoo?
MetaZoo
interesting. I just went to Target and was shocked to see Metazoo on the shelf. I have never seen it for sale at Target before.
Metazoo cant be related to other tcg... Metazoo was absolutely horrible and a major cash grab. They sold pretty much everything else other than trading cards. Greedy chubby owner.
Ditto doesn't take a turn to transform and with quick powder it's great
I never knew the M in SMPratte meant "MetaZoo"
You say that it didn't generate any organic interest, but I have to disagree. With the game using Cryptids as it's main focus, it would've generated organic interest from people and kids who are fans of Cryptids. I remember finding the cards at Meijers and it got my interest because I'm a big fan of cryptids. I think the real reason why it failed was because of a lack of proper promotion.
Am an indie dev currently making a TCG ( i'm sick of the current ones ) , its designed from the start to not have any power creep ( 0 ), its truly a shame that these companies are just using us to buy there bad products
Compare MetaZoo to Sorcery: Contested Realm. What can Sorcery learn from MetaZoo's failure?
Love the ditto, bungie, and melee references. Thanks for the video s m prat
You really didn’t touch on the fact that management basically ran it into the ground, not only financially, but also seemed to be terrible with customer service, and spent too much time trying to do side projects instead of just making the game (and putting out sets)
Metazoo pissed me off from when I first saw it since I love cryptids, but they so clearly had no interest in developing a fun game and the crypto connection turned me off. I think there could be space for games that aren’t magic/yugioh/Pokémon level popular but still played, I like the digimon card game for one but I’d love for smaller tcgs to have success. But they can’t cost as much to make as the big ones obvi and they aren’t gonna be collectors items to the same level no matter what. Metazoo went after collectors beyond everything, it was so obviously such a cynical product and i’m glad it’s dead
So much of this series encircled around itself, if a company has a product with no allot of interest but no satisfaction, the ppl need to step back and look at what works and what dosnt, and make something that's competent to sell, but meta didn't improve and it resorted to selling it by nft in crypto to keep this working, its sad
Metazoo got me with those hello kitty cards though lol but the engagement felt forced. Palworld probably next imo.
Skyrim wasnt a new thing. Oblivion came before and was better.
Yah but a lot of people who couldn’t play oblivionCOULD play Skyrim (console limitations) or just heard of Skyrim first so Skyrim is more popular and well known now, I loved that shit, I might play oblivion some day ,,,
Nice Christmas sweater Scott.
I'm just waiting for a Borobu TCG - we need Slugodactyl.
Metazoo failed because of the Management, you clearly didn't do the research.
Buy the dip lol 😆 thanks for the video new to metazoo stumbled on this video I'm a genuine pokemon collector and started looking into others tcg. Thanks for video very informative
Ditto no longer has to waste that turn
I've yet to see anyone actually playing MetaZoo, and I've never once seen it being advertised as an actual game. They dropped the ball big time on that, at least.
The Pokemon TCG, despite being very much focused on collecting, is still a widely played game. If you search for like 'how is MetaZoo, is it a good game?', you just get endless videos on collecting and value.
A TCG can't exist purely on collecting.
And to be quite honest, it is a very messy looking product. It needed more "Pokemon" and less "Yugioh".
Never say never.
The same people who knew it was always ten thousand times more overhyped than the inherent idea behind the TCG also understand that the MAIN reason it actually died so quickly is because we're going into the worst recession in history. This will make 2008 look mild. Everyone's bills for the first time in modern world economic history have gone up 50+% in 3 years on TOP of new all-time 2020 highs at the peak of a 10-year economic cycle while their incomes are up only 12% on average. The correction in real estate and stocks and spike in unemployment is going to make 2008-2010 look like a walk in the park on a nice Sunday morning.
Weird since all of the economic projections I’ve seen have us looking at a “soft landing” where the worst is already behind us.
Sucking back that copium.
but did they fail?
Accurate video. I really enjoyed the card game. I enjoyed the video you made though, very cool.
NFT TCGs you say? Gone day one you say? No way, no one would rug pull an NFT TCG!
Love the video. You’re quite behind on your Smash Bros reference though, we’re on Smash Ultimate (fifth installment) and it’s arguably the best Smash game ever made. Brawl was many years ago. You’re right, Melee is tight though.
Metazoo messed up going to Topps immediately.
It has to be fun to play
pokemon is far vaster than just the tcg which is really just a sideshow to the main events of the games, the anime, the online community
What is Metazoo
Metazoo tried very hard to be a TC instead of trying to become a TCG🤔🥴
I have nothing but contempt for the former owner. A true underwear stain on the hobby.
HALO 2 FOREVER
Fact Bubgie 343 and Bungie making a game from nothing and a few people then can not replace or fix Halo or replace halo Today with thousands of workers and millions of dollars each cant do what orginal halo did
another reason it failed is the company's terrible and incompetent management
you know Melee and Brawl were made by the same person & team right? Brawl wasn't "bad" because it was overhyped or lacked passion. they just wanted something different and famously disliked the competitive scene
When I first heard about MetaZoo I thought it was cheesy and a knock off of Pokemon. I knew it was dead before it ever took off. At best it was going to have a cult following of low IQ Timmy's hoping to make a quick buck, but not smart enough to realize they were bamboozled and their pockets were emptied... oh wait... too real. 💀