Benchmade axis locks will easily disengage from punyo strikes, making them fundamentally unsuited for a defensive knife. The Manix CBBL seems resistant to this behavior due to the much higher disengagement force requirement. The mid back locks on Spyderco's Seki models can definitely wear out from inertial deployment, but Spyderco's Golden back lock has a deeper lock well and lock bar engagement depth, and is immune to this problem. Compression locks do fine with static loads, but they will disengage from spine strikes against hard surfaces. Frame locks are extremely vulnerable to self-interference. It takes very little pressure on the lockbar to prevent deployment. This can be trained around, but as a defensive lock they are less than ideal. Liner locks do not have this issue, and should not be grouped together when considering them for defensive applications. In my experience, the most reliable locks are the mid back lock as implemented on the Spyderco Native and Native Chief, the Manix CBBL, the Millie liner lock, and the triad lock. I would definitely not carry an axis lock for defensive purposes, and I think the compression lock and Seki back lock are questionable. Frame locks and liner locks should be tested on a case-by-case basis, as there is a wide range of reliability and failure potentials among various brands and models.
I'm not really a martial / defensive arts expert, but I think in most self defense scenarios people won't and more importantly shouldn't use a punyo style of strike. Benchmade knives for the most part are lightweight, with FRN / Grivory handles, which wouldn't lend much weight to a strike like that.
This video was great ! I'm a lefty , the S.O.G. Seal XR Flipper is my choice for EDC. For me the Seal XR is the best self defense / all around EDC knife I've experienced so far. 💯❤🔪‼️
Good video, welcome back. I prefer the ball bearing, compression, and tri-ad locks for my carry knives. All very strong. I do rotate in a few R.E.K.A.T. knives, but I can't recall the name of that locking mechanism. It's also quite strong.
Thanks, and glad to be back! The Tri-ad lock is one I'm not very familiar with and I need to pick one up to play with it. I haven't had the opportunity to play with any of the REKAT knives either.
You also want your liner lock to go half or cross past the center. If the liner only 1/3 into the blade it can jump back aka unlock from pressure on the blade. Spyderco fixed the lock back issue a while ago by concaving the lock where you press down on it.
Excellent vid, very informative. I'd like to see some about the new Cold Steel locks like the Atlas or the Demko. Also, I'd be cool if you could cover button locks, like are they as good as cross bar locks? Lastly I could suggest OTF knives I've always wanted to know exactly how they work inside and how safe are they compared to other opening mechanisms and locking types. Cheers!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I hope to see you around the channel again! I'll take your requests under advisement. Eventually I would like to procure an OTF with clear scales to show how they work!
The Deadbolt-Lock, Atlas-Lock, Shark-Lock, and Tri-Ad Lock are the one's I feel are best for Self-Defense. You didn't mention or compare those... Have you tried them out? :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel depends. For a fighting knife I would recommend either the voyager vaquero, the talwar, the black talon 2 or maybe if you feel super fancy the kris ti lite or kris voyager. I get all mine serrated but they make a fine edge too, also depends on whether or not you want an emerson style opener as the voyagers and ti lites dont have them. Another classic would be the 6 inch hold out. Jimislash would be a good channel to check as he does a lot of unboxing and some functionality reviews. He's pretty funny too.
I a big fixed blade guy but as you said legal issues come with carrying them that i don't have need to concern my self with folders especially if they 4" and under but in tje pocket any folder can ne carried in MD. But we all know that knife shepple is always a concern.
I personally am absolutely SICK axis style locks. At least ones with omega springs (so most of them). Its no secret that omega springs have a tendency to break and that's my big problem with them. The only 2 I can think of that have gotten it right are the Benchmade Anthem and the Spyderco Manix 2. And yes I know they're not exactly the same but they're close enough for the comparison to work. They both have a coil spring rather than omegas which typically work better and longer. And at this point with well made button locks being able to be found in the budget range I think it's just about time to either adapt the axis style lock to a coil spring or for them to just kinda fall away. I know it's a hot take but I mean come on...would you rather deal with springs breaking and having to replace them or have a better system with the same basic function? I know what I'm picking.
Basically the Tri Ad Lock is a back lock but it is like the Hercules of back loxks. I have experienced a lock back fail with the lock release at the end of the handle by cutting with it in the blade up position pull towards myself and tne lock must have got squeezed because my thumb got cut with a Buck 110. The Tri Ad Lock being in the center make a word of difference and the stop pin on a Tri Ad lock back I believe add to the lock life tremendously , I have never heard of one failing although there may be a few but I just have not heard of them. It would be good to hear your thoughts on the Tri Ad Lock.
I currently carry a lock back and axis locking knives. My go to is a endura tactical with the Sabre grind and combo blade, I also carry the folding SOCP as my self defense blade. 🇺🇸🤙🏻
As an auld fella, I love a simple back-lock. It's may be irrational of me, but I could never trust a liner-lock. Something like a Delica gives me everything I really need but you present a very logical critique. I also have learnt to respect the compression lock, but yes, my old Paramilitary 2 has way too little detent. Excellent work.
Interesting..... why did he leave out the strongest lock on the market.... the Cold Steel Tri Ad lock. It certainly is not a conventional lock back. I wonder why he would omit this lock.
Long story short? I'm not familiar enough with the Tri Ad lock in order to do it justice and need to spend some time disassembling and researching it. There are a number of other locks missing from this video as well that I will be sure to address in another video.
Wondering the same thing. From the videos I've seen on this channel, Spiderco is the preferred product of discussion. And yes, leaving out one of the best AND most popular knife locks (if not the best knife lock) on the market today, the triad lock from this "knife lock video", to me, makes this video pretty incomplete in it's informational value...
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel hard to comprehend, how could you not have researched the incredibly strong and vastly popular triad before making this video? I do like your channel but, your product preference here is pretty obvious. Hey, I like them too. But not exclusively...
The Knife Life bad af! Hands down one of my favorite grinds! I recently got a para 3 lw from knivesplus that’s customized and I’m loving it my other spydie is the endrua 4 tactical with the Sabre grind and combo blade. I will have a police soon.
@@knifeguy9134 If you are looking for Spydercos to add to your collection, either the Yojimbo or the Yojumbo is an excellent addition. An interesting one that I don't think is made anymore is the Eurodagger. I have two on display in my collection to showcase the different fuller configurations on both sides.
I'm not a big fan of button locks for defensive use. Most of them aren't as strong as I would like, and its very easy to hit the button and release your lock. Just my preferences.
I don't have any hands-on experience with the Emerson CQC7, but here are my thoughts (for what they are worth) just looking at the pictures. If you like knives with the Emerson wave, then you are getting a knife from the original source of waves. Emerson has a good reputation for making good knives. It looks like the CQC7 is a liner lock, which I've never had an issue with, but I would prefer the ball mechanism in the Manix 2. I'm not a fan of the American tanto style tip the CQC7 has. It provides a very strong tip but it won't penetrate as well as the more acute tip of the Manix 2. The ability for the knife to penetrate well is more important to me than extra reinforcement of the tip. Personally I would select the Manix 2, but if you like the CQC7 it looks like it can get the job done as well.
Well like I mentioned in the video a good frame-lock can be a good defensive knife. But the design can be weaker than some of the other mechanisms such as the Axis or Compression locks.
I wouldn't recommend it myself, but the decision is yours. The question is if you think the button lock is sufficiently strong, and if it is far enough out of the way you won't hit it during an encounter.
Also, do you like big Flipper Tabs on Knives with weaker lock types like Liner and Frame-Lock and Plunge-Lock Folders? Myself, I don't care for the weaker lock types, unless they have a large flipper tab that protects my digits if the lock fails.. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
An important thing to remember is that all knives wear out eventually. It depends upon the use of the blade. My Spyderco's are subjected to some really aggressive openings. Inertial openings are pretty hard on knives. If you practice deploying your defensive blade repeatedly like you should, you will see wear over time. Lockbacks rely on the angle of the tang and the blocking bar matching up correctly. If it wears out, then its easy to overpower the lock. I don't use my Buck knife for the same application, nor do most buck owners. They typically experience a pretty soft two handed opening to perform some task. Nor do I practice deployments with my buck. The lock will still wear out over time from steel rubbing on steel, but it will take a lot longer.
In my experience (and opinion), lock backs are only an issue among a particular demographic. That would be the pretentious knife snob that never does any disdains the use of a second hand. Which is ironic, because this same group ( generally speaking) never does any real knife work. Unless one considers relentless fidgeting, the cutting of hard broiled eggs for their Cob salad, and the occasional Amazon package “real” knife work. ; ) I'm just playing, so no body needs to get wrapped around the axle.
im currently thinking about purchasing a demko ad 20.5 with the shark lock. mostly will be used for everyday tasks but would also be used for self defense if needed. will the shark lock be good for self defense in your opinion? @The Knife Life
Benchmade axis locks will easily disengage from punyo strikes, making them fundamentally unsuited for a defensive knife. The Manix CBBL seems resistant to this behavior due to the much higher disengagement force requirement.
The mid back locks on Spyderco's Seki models can definitely wear out from inertial deployment, but Spyderco's Golden back lock has a deeper lock well and lock bar engagement depth, and is immune to this problem.
Compression locks do fine with static loads, but they will disengage from spine strikes against hard surfaces.
Frame locks are extremely vulnerable to self-interference. It takes very little pressure on the lockbar to prevent deployment. This can be trained around, but as a defensive lock they are less than ideal. Liner locks do not have this issue, and should not be grouped together when considering them for defensive applications.
In my experience, the most reliable locks are the mid back lock as implemented on the Spyderco Native and Native Chief, the Manix CBBL, the Millie liner lock, and the triad lock. I would definitely not carry an axis lock for defensive purposes, and I think the compression lock and Seki back lock are questionable. Frame locks and liner locks should be tested on a case-by-case basis, as there is a wide range of reliability and failure potentials among various brands and models.
I'm not really a martial / defensive arts expert, but I think in most self defense scenarios people won't and more importantly shouldn't use a punyo style of strike.
Benchmade knives for the most part are lightweight, with FRN / Grivory handles, which wouldn't lend much weight to a strike like that.
How about balisongs? Slightly slow to open, but strength should be exceptional at that point right?
A punyo strike is useless, unless it's a fixed blade. There are better striking attacks.
@@domokun3142 That's not entirely true. A heavy frame lock knife with a pommel protrusion can do serious damage
This video was great ! I'm a lefty , the S.O.G. Seal XR Flipper is my choice for EDC. For me the Seal XR is the best self defense / all around EDC knife I've experienced so far. 💯❤🔪‼️
Glad you enjoyed the video and I hope to see you around the channel more!
You're not a leftie!
Good video, welcome back. I prefer the ball bearing, compression, and tri-ad locks for my carry knives. All very strong. I do rotate in a few R.E.K.A.T. knives, but I can't recall the name of that locking mechanism. It's also quite strong.
Thanks, and glad to be back! The Tri-ad lock is one I'm not very familiar with and I need to pick one up to play with it. I haven't had the opportunity to play with any of the REKAT knives either.
You also want your liner lock to go half or cross past the center. If the liner only 1/3 into the blade it can jump back aka unlock from pressure on the blade. Spyderco fixed the lock back issue a while ago by concaving the lock where you press down on it.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent vid, very informative. I'd like to see some about the new Cold Steel locks like the Atlas or the Demko. Also, I'd be cool if you could cover button locks, like are they as good as cross bar locks? Lastly I could suggest OTF knives I've always wanted to know exactly how they work inside and how safe are they compared to other opening mechanisms and locking types. Cheers!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I hope to see you around the channel again! I'll take your requests under advisement. Eventually I would like to procure an OTF with clear scales to show how they work!
The Deadbolt-Lock, Atlas-Lock, Shark-Lock, and Tri-Ad Lock are the one's I feel are best for Self-Defense. You didn't mention or compare those... Have you tried them out? :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I have not. This video is by no means an exhaustive list. Once I have them in hand I will be sure to either remake this video, or post a followup.
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That what I carry daily . It's old , made in Taiwan . Only seen a couple on UA-cam videos . Think they are still made , but in China .
The triad lock. Cold Steel nailed it.
Cold steel tri-ad lock beats pretty much every other mechanism out there.
A Tri-ad locking blade is on my priority list to procure. I'd be happy for any recommendations.
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel depends. For a fighting knife I would recommend either the voyager vaquero, the talwar, the black talon 2 or maybe if you feel super fancy the kris ti lite or kris voyager. I get all mine serrated but they make a fine edge too, also depends on whether or not you want an emerson style opener as the voyagers and ti lites dont have them. Another classic would be the 6 inch hold out. Jimislash would be a good channel to check as he does a lot of unboxing and some functionality reviews. He's pretty funny too.
Among others, my legal switcher is a liner/compression lock.
Like the video .. i always trust TRI-AD lock of andrew demeko . Otherwise it will be fixed blade knife
Glad you enjoyed it! I don't have Tri-Ad lock myself, otherwise I would have included it.
I a big fixed blade guy but as you said legal issues come with carrying them that i don't have need to concern my self with folders especially if they 4" and under but in tje pocket any folder can ne carried in MD.
But we all know that knife shepple is always a concern.
what about Cold Steel's tri ad lock?
I don't have one in my collection at the moment, so I can't show it. It's on my list to get for a follow up video.
It's good too
I personally am absolutely SICK axis style locks. At least ones with omega springs (so most of them). Its no secret that omega springs have a tendency to break and that's my big problem with them. The only 2 I can think of that have gotten it right are the Benchmade Anthem and the Spyderco Manix 2. And yes I know they're not exactly the same but they're close enough for the comparison to work. They both have a coil spring rather than omegas which typically work better and longer. And at this point with well made button locks being able to be found in the budget range I think it's just about time to either adapt the axis style lock to a coil spring or for them to just kinda fall away. I know it's a hot take but I mean come on...would you rather deal with springs breaking and having to replace them or have a better system with the same basic function? I know what I'm picking.
Basically the Tri Ad Lock is a back lock but it is like the Hercules of back loxks. I have experienced a lock back fail with the lock release at the end of the handle by cutting with it in the blade up position pull towards myself and tne lock must have got squeezed because my thumb got cut with a Buck 110.
The Tri Ad Lock being in the center make a word of difference and the stop pin on a Tri Ad lock back I believe add to the lock life tremendously , I have never heard of one failing although there may be a few but I just have not heard of them.
It would be good to hear your thoughts on the Tri Ad Lock.
I don't have a Triad lock at the moment, but I'm looking to procure one in future so I can rip it apart and see how it works myself.
I currently carry a lock back and axis locking knives. My go to is a endura tactical with the Sabre grind and combo blade, I also carry the folding SOCP as my self defense blade. 🇺🇸🤙🏻
Both are solid choices. Its hard to go wrong with Spyderco and Benchmade.
Good information video!
As an auld fella, I love a simple back-lock. It's may be irrational of me, but I could never trust a liner-lock. Something like a Delica gives me everything I really need but you present a very logical critique. I also have learnt to respect the compression lock, but yes, my old Paramilitary 2 has way too little detent. Excellent work.
Thanks for commenting and I'm glad you enjoyed it.
If you hit a bone delica will break i think. Strong lock/blade for selfdefence
And a Strong tip you also need budget steel like aus8.8cr mo . Sandvik 12c27. S35vn and others are to brittle. I carry the Cold steel sr1 lite
Interesting..... why did he leave out the strongest lock on the market.... the Cold Steel Tri Ad lock. It certainly is not a conventional lock back. I wonder why he would omit this lock.
Long story short? I'm not familiar enough with the Tri Ad lock in order to do it justice and need to spend some time disassembling and researching it. There are a number of other locks missing from this video as well that I will be sure to address in another video.
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel the cold steel catalogs actually explain how it works. And their iron proof videos actually show how tough their lockups are.
Wondering the same thing. From the videos I've seen on this channel, Spiderco is the preferred product of discussion. And yes, leaving out one of the best AND most popular knife locks (if not the best knife lock) on the market today, the triad lock from this "knife lock video", to me, makes this video pretty incomplete in it's informational value...
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel hard to comprehend, how could you not have researched the incredibly strong and vastly popular triad before making this video? I do like your channel but, your product preference here is pretty obvious. Hey, I like them too. But not exclusively...
That manix have a Sabre grind?? That’s really nice! 🔪
Yes it does!
The Knife Life bad af! Hands down one of my favorite grinds! I recently got a para 3 lw from knivesplus that’s customized and I’m loving it my other spydie is the endrua 4 tactical with the Sabre grind and combo blade. I will have a police soon.
@@knifeguy9134 If you are looking for Spydercos to add to your collection, either the Yojimbo or the Yojumbo is an excellent addition. An interesting one that I don't think is made anymore is the Eurodagger. I have two on display in my collection to showcase the different fuller configurations on both sides.
Slick lock back is the best.wrist action does it all.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the great video. You did not discuss button locks. What are your thoughts on button lock knives?
I'm not a big fan of button locks for defensive use. Most of them aren't as strong as I would like, and its very easy to hit the button and release your lock. Just my preferences.
using diagrams or holding knife examples while explaining would be helpful
What about lever lock knives?
So excited!
Enjoy!
Manix 2 or CQC7? Thank you!
I don't have any hands-on experience with the Emerson CQC7, but here are my thoughts (for what they are worth) just looking at the pictures. If you like knives with the Emerson wave, then you are getting a knife from the original source of waves. Emerson has a good reputation for making good knives. It looks like the CQC7 is a liner lock, which I've never had an issue with, but I would prefer the ball mechanism in the Manix 2. I'm not a fan of the American tanto style tip the CQC7 has. It provides a very strong tip but it won't penetrate as well as the more acute tip of the Manix 2. The ability for the knife to penetrate well is more important to me than extra reinforcement of the tip. Personally I would select the Manix 2, but if you like the CQC7 it looks like it can get the job done as well.
Only TriAd locks for me, and maybe the Yojimbo 2
Whatever is the best solution for you. The axis locks are ones I haven't had the opportunity to work with, but they are on my list of locks to obtain.
for a SDK frame lock is the best way to go !
Well like I mentioned in the video a good frame-lock can be a good defensive knife. But the design can be weaker than some of the other mechanisms such as the Axis or Compression locks.
The axis lock, you only have to pull down on one side. Unless that knife is different from every other Benchmade.
Am I correct to guess that button lock is definitely a bad option?
I wouldn't recommend it myself, but the decision is yours. The question is if you think the button lock is sufficiently strong, and if it is far enough out of the way you won't hit it during an encounter.
It's got to be legal for a start. Want a small blade that opens quick and stays locked.
Legality is probably one of the most important but most overlooked considerations.
Also, do you like big Flipper Tabs on Knives with weaker lock types like Liner and Frame-Lock and Plunge-Lock Folders? Myself, I don't care for the weaker lock types, unless they have a large flipper tab that protects my digits if the lock fails.. :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Demko/triad lock
Thanks for commenting!
Yo what's the tojimbo 2 look alike
That's probably the Blackhawk Bewharned, the Yojimbo 2's predecessor and Mike Janich's improvement on his original Yojimbo design.
@@TheKnifeLifeChannel Now it's a classic and probably impossible to find and purchase.
Yeah that one had a Liner Lock ,so tje locking system is upgraded as well as otjer parts.
How do lockbacks wear out when u have 40 year old buck 110s ....
An important thing to remember is that all knives wear out eventually. It depends upon the use of the blade. My Spyderco's are subjected to some really aggressive openings. Inertial openings are pretty hard on knives. If you practice deploying your defensive blade repeatedly like you should, you will see wear over time. Lockbacks rely on the angle of the tang and the blocking bar matching up correctly. If it wears out, then its easy to overpower the lock. I don't use my Buck knife for the same application, nor do most buck owners. They typically experience a pretty soft two handed opening to perform some task. Nor do I practice deployments with my buck. The lock will still wear out over time from steel rubbing on steel, but it will take a lot longer.
In my experience (and opinion), lock backs are only an issue among a particular demographic. That would be the pretentious knife snob that never does any disdains the use of a second hand. Which is ironic, because this same group ( generally speaking) never does any real knife work. Unless one considers relentless fidgeting, the cutting of hard broiled eggs for their Cob salad, and the occasional Amazon package “real” knife work. ; )
I'm just playing, so no body needs to get wrapped around the axle.
Your music is too damn loud!
The first step is being stupid enough to think that a knife is a good self defense option.
im currently thinking about purchasing a demko ad 20.5 with the shark lock. mostly will be used for everyday tasks but would also be used for self defense if needed. will the shark lock be good for self defense in your opinion? @The Knife Life
I am not familiar with the Shark lock, so I can't give you a good recommendation on that . I'll be sure to look into it.
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