"If the police show up, it's much easier to articulate..." I'm gonna stop you right there lol. If the police show up, you don't "articulate" ANYTHING. You keep your mouth shut until you have legal counsel.
Get the hell out of there before the cops show up. They are going to give you jail time. They hate it when honest citizens protect themselves ... especially in democrat controlled cities. Jus sayin'
@@angelicwolf909 what a life pro tip: if you ever need to defend your ass escape so the attacker can spin a great narrative about you being the agressor thus making you a fugitive. Flawless logic.
Im the youngest sibling at home and pur house gets attempted break ins alot. Ive been taking Classes on self defense and sticking up on weapons to protect my autistic sister and sick mom when where home alone when my dads working late. This is very helpful thank you
I went to vo-tech with a man in the mid 80s. At the time his left fore arm was heavily suture and wrapped. I asked what happened he said he was attacked by a knife wielder in downtown Minneapolis bar one night in his nieghborhood. He was able to wrap a coat around his arm after the attack started, it took 3 others to help stop the psycho. Law enforcement wasn't able to find the attacker. About 5 weeks after the incident my friend spotted the individual strolling down the sidewalk in a near by nieghborhood and the front bumper of his 78 Mercury Cougar caught the perp! Street justce? Yes sir!!
Even though this video is 6 years old I wanted to comment additionally to it. Slashing, in terms of stopping power, is nothing compared to a properly delivered stab. What does that mean? It means that you stab the body's shock zones. Specifically, the heart, penetrating the intercostal spaces between the ribs (provided you have a blade that is long enough) Then we have the eyes, kidneys and femoral artery (kills mobility and later kills the host due to blood loss. The reason a slash will not be as effective at stopping an opponent, generally speaking, is that a slash may contribute to the stopping of the threat due to blood loss but at a later point in time. This is operational time for an opponent to do their worst to you. I've seen this behavior even with firearms when the wrong caliber combined with poor shot placement fails to immediately target an area that produces enough shock to stop a target. While these instructors have some really good points their discussion and techniques are remiss. How do I know these things? I learned from the best. For knives that's Master Matei Florin. I call him master, that's not a title he actually uses but his skillset is truly scary. Then there is the legendary Massad Ayoob who I have studied extensively. Finally, know this: Knife fighting isn't pretty. In fact it's rather gruesome and if you are not mentally prepared or just cannot kill then do not carry (this goes for guns too) Most importantly, train. Without training you are a liability to yourself and others. Talent is no replacement for training.
Hi! I know you made your reply 4 mo ago, so you probably won’t see this, but you said that “provided you have a blade that is long enough”. Do you recommend any good switchblades, pocket knives, or just general knives that would have a long enough blade? I tried looking this up myself on Google, and the results were not very helpful/what I was looking for lol. Thank you :)
@@rochelleharding One more thing as far as brand name goes CKRT makes a good knife so does SOG. Expect to pay at least $150 for something that's quality
@@rochelleharding What you're looking for is a fixed 5 or 6 inch blade with a 4 inch handle. Fixed blades are easier and quicker to deploy and lack the inherent weaknesses of a folder.
Knives are just not ideal for stoppage no matter how you spin it. Stabbing, slashing, it doesn't matter. They are great at inflicting lethal damage but not stopping the threat in a window of time that matters. They also look terrible in court. I suggest people look into Varg Freeborn for more on that. The only knife methodology that has real applications would be Craig Douglas's approach. Using the knife to break holds and create space when you're getting smothered. Not for stoppage. Carrying a 6 inch blade is unwieldy and unrealistic. Use that space for something more important.
What I wonder about is slash is the ability (or inability) to slash through long-sleaved coats or jackets. A short blade might not get through a heavy fabric like denim or leather.
That is a good point, Ray. A short blade might not get through heavier fabrics as easily as thin fabrics. I'm so glad you're thinking about these things now and not in the heat of a self-defense incident! Factoring in the fabric - what modifications would you consider?
Slashing at the fingers instead of the arm is an option, but the fingers are a much smaller target. Mr, Janich has often said that the legs are not usually protected layered clothing so dealing with the initial attack with a block or deflection and then cut to the legs to disable the assailant is a possibility. Stabbing into the arm is also an option if you've trained and practiced enough with your blade of choice to be that accurate with your thrusts.
Ray Chilensky if the knife is verry sharp and used with substantial force it shoud work unless your living in a verry cold place where people are wearing multiple layers of thick clothing but even then something designed with slashing in mind should work
In the joint we would use newspapers and magazines for armor. Works really good. I've been in 2 knife fights and have seen dozens. Most of what I've discovered is that it's almost always a sneak attack. Many times what you think is a punch is a stab. Anyway,my 2 cents.
Good job articulating what many people think, especially in a courtroom; stabbing=intent to kill. Also, I like how Mr. Janich highlighted the historical difference in stabbing effectiveness between modern 3-4in folding carry blades and older, much larger fixed blade knives like the Bowie.
WOW! That is really helpful info! I will still use my pepper spray before my belt knife but defanging the snake and creating shock is interesting info! Thanks! Let's all stay safe and protect our loved ones.
Pepper spray is the absolute best option. It's a projectile weapon that doesn't come with all the legal repercussions of a lethal weapon like a gun or blade. I still carry a knife (mainly for utility purposes) and a gun, but pepper spray would be my 1st choice in 99% of self defense situations.
If the threat is truly lethal in nature, I would be thinking multiple slashes/thrusts. If you de-fang the snake, the assailant can still cause great harm or death with other hidden weapons or simply his own size and strength. I would keep attacking (neck area) until he stopped attacking me. The old saying goes...better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6...
If you only allow yourself one extact cut only to the forearm exclusively in than manner youre gona be thinking about it up in heaven cause the perp will beat you to the punch every time as he is not limited. The law is designed to kill the innocent man imo
@@DarkPablo This would be construed in court as unnecessary force if the target is no longer a threat to you. If you’re joking, then I’m the idiot and my bad 😂
unrealistic fancy X or triangular slash.. real life isnt controled competition... stabing is way more efficient. be fast be the first, slash push you in much more dangerous defencinf position and cause veyr little damage unless very well aimed.
This isnt realistic. This is utter nonsense and Janich knows it. If you don’t cut that tendon or ligament 100%, you did nothing. He’s still operable. Only deep penetrating stabs are going to stop someone.
A cut above the eyes around the eyebrows is very effective if you can't get at the arm with the weapon or the leg, it's painful and it bleeds alot so the psychological effect is there but it also will obstruct the attackers vision since all that blood will run down over the attackers eyes. This may also give you the time to then disable the weapon hand.
I was thinking that too. They teach you in first aid etc to not get freaked out by facial injuries because the face bleeds a lot but it often looks worse than it is for minor cuts.
It's a shame that we live in such a pussified society that emphasizes "minimum amount of damage to escape a threat" A person comes against you they literally take their own life in their hands and whatever happens to them is solely your discretion, not some judge's or court's.
They want you to be seriously injured so that way you can cry victim to them and sound justified after serious bodily injury they dont want you defending yourself atleast not sucessfully
Its about legality not morality. Your obviously a stubborn American criminal so (in one ear out the other i suppose.) You cowards only use guns anyway so dont know why u care.
USCCA only don't try and attack/defend in the overhead manor that the "attacker" in the video is demonstrating. to someone who can defend a knife attack, that strike is the best thing you can hope for.
This was super helpful, I recently started going on runs early in the morning. Surprisingly there's a lot of people up and out early, because of that I decided to start bringing a knife. I needed to know how to use one properly because I do not want to use it wrong and have it reversed and used on me. Thanks for the information!
Gabby Sabel Rule #1 for women: Learn to get out of the Fear Mode even if you get punched in the face, or being threatened with a gun. Being with more than one does not make you safer: four women were tied up by one perpetrator, and murdered in a national park, notorious case where more than a dozen nurses were killed in on location, the Charleston church murder where no no one acted, and cases where the victim was taken to a motel and raped. Rule #2 Never display a knife even when physically attacked. Immediately fight/resist, or comply/plea until you get an opportunity, but don't get tied. Rule #3 Your attack should be a "Complete Surprise". Rule #3 Do not learn from UA-cam videos, or the police because they keep everything sterile. They promote legalities, self defense/commonsense instead of Self Preservation. Your aim is to "DO IT" with respect, like preparing a deer or fresh fish - that's life - It's your life and nobody cares more than you. Cameras do not stop criminals - recently a women walked up to a car while she was getting in and shot her in the head at close range. Finally get the correct knife, knives that you can open with one hand, not automatic knives. You don't want to be Karen abcnews.go.com/US/murder-case-york-city-jogger-karina-vetrano-stands/story?id=62058877
You need to get training at a place where they spar with resisting opponents. Do not carry a knife and think you can protect yourself after watching a few videos because chances are your much less able to strike someone than you think and if you pull it on the wrong person they will make you drop it with a well timed kick or headbutt or something.
Bill Clancy, it's something id surprisingly never considered as a novice but makes obvious sense now. One of my favorite movies is The Hunted and they used realistic training from knife professionals to depict drill sequences that involved cutting major arteries to speed blood loss. That always seemed obvious to me.
Thanks guys, much appreciated. Very nice to see Michael Janis on board! I've been a martial artist since I was an early teen, and have always been on the fence with carrying a knife. This does help clarify
Stabbing with a small knife can still work, but target accuracy and selection becomes more important. However, it Mike Janich is right: the justice system has a bias against knives, and therefore your results need to look different than that of criminal's. In that regard, defanging the snake is your best option if it presents itself to you in the fight.
Hello I am a member of the uscca my name is Brandon Miller I just want to know about this knife video where does the uscca special gift knife lie in that training is it just the right length or does it need to be shorter or longer as far as legal carry
Thank you for this. I recently bought an AKC knife for protection and I really don't want to be in a situation where I have to brandish it but I certainly need to know the laws and proper defense with a sharp stick haha. Cheers.
Totally agree that "stabbing" is ineffective (except in jailhouse shankings). Slashing is correct, but against what target? An arm that is swinging something is moving too fast. Since lethal force is authorized, there is no time for political correctness. The "de-fanging the snake" philosophy sounds cool, but requires too much finesse under stress. The most effective response is an instantaneous slashing of the carotid. The target (neck) isn't moving and defense is impossible. Fight is over. I'll worry about the cops later. A call to USCCA should solve that issue.
If you rep this its actually alot easier then you think to hit the hand of the attacker. Most people default to leaving there "lead" hand out (like a jab) all you have to do is slash in an X pattern and you should be able to hit your target. If you do miss you still at a range in which your opponent cant touch you easily. If you are close enough to stab someone in the carotid then they are close enough to stab you as well. The Defanging the snake method keeps you at a safe distance and still cause damage.
@ around 1:15 he lists several contact distance weapons. IS A FIST A CONTACT DISTANCE WEAPON? Or am I supposed to fight with my hands with a monster that can beat me to a pulp and then dispatch me? I am disabled. A punch to the head could kill me on the spot.When is it appropriate to use a knife for me?
My advice is to keep it simple. Carry pepper spray and a gun at all times. The pepper spray is for unarmed attackers and the gun is for armed attackers. You can't go wrong with that setup. Also, they do make lightweight and comfortable bulletproof/stab proof clothing nowadays. Check out the hoodies on Bulletproof Everyone and Bulletproof Zone. They are affordable and very stylish. Good luck and Godspeed!
The best time to use a knife or edged tool in self defense is when someone is choking you. It's damn near impossible to shoot your way out of a choke hold from behind and if you are realistically using a knife for a choke defense, sawing the choking arm until the aggressor lets go is the most effective method. Stabbing someone isn't needed for a choke defense so that should get you in far less legal trouble.
This is a very reasonable way to use a knife in self defense. Not only it can be done with even a non-locking pocket knife, like my SAK with a blade just over 2" , it also keeps you some distance from the attacker, and it actually proves to the court that it was self-defense, unlike Master Ken's fantasies.
So how would a curved blade be in a fight? What would the difference be between curved and straight? I feel a curved blade would cut more and possibly faster
Everything sounds good theoretical, but does this actually work on the field? I mean if a person stabs you erratically with no pattern, its hard to slice through that area, isen‘t it?
Fantastic video even 7 years later. In Canada you have a duty to retreat if you can. In court you must be ready to explain the many attempts you made to first deescalate, then disengage and that you only resorted to physical defense as a last resort. If you have time/space to leave and didn't, then you were not really in fear of your life. Being with seniors or children may hamper your retreat so explain that in court as well, you can't just run away leaving grandma and the children behind.
A friend in law enforcement and a high ranking self defence coach and filipino martial artist said this...." Its safe to ask the officer for time to articulate because of a highly adrenalized state" deep breaths ask for water and a coffee...whatever. The key is the ability to articulate, and its fairly specific whats best to say and not to say
I saw somebody mention this on another video but I also wanted to draw attention to the third strike motion with the blade into the quadricep. Most people know there is a femoral artery there, most people don't know a deep laceration through it can cause you to at very best go into shock in 1-3 minutes. My only critique is that the first two strikes are absolutely justifiable, the third will absolutely stop somebody but it might also kill them. Which is a bit harder to justify legally.
In my country this would be efficient enough cuz I live in the subtropics where everyone only wears one layer of clothing and short sleeves and shorts so there'd be enough skin to slash
One differing opinion - if somebody is armed with a gun and the only weapon you have is a knife, then you still need to “defang the snake.” Example: My can’t carry a firearm at work, but her knife for opening mail-n-stuff is ok. In an active shooter scenario if she can’t run, and hiding is unsuccessful, she’s knowledgeable in using her letter opener to stop the threat. Outside of that - great video
I believe the original target of defanging the snake was across the front of one's fist? The concept can apply to other areas though no doubt. Interesting video and comments here.
if you are as trained as mr. janich: yeap. slashing. but for caveman style stuff: stabbing. stabs, as a technique, can be applied to everyday items and/or hits that do not penetrate... versatility is what i am trying to get across.
Oh goodness hopefully this is gomna help, I think someone is outside I'm 14 freakin out and the only thnig I got is tnis sharp black knife, its not a kitchen knife its more like what u see in the movies but less cool or whatever idk mannnn I'm a girl I'm not strong with me luck
So I'm right handed with a 3 or 4 inch knife, the guy's forearm swinging a crow bar with his right hand is my target....I'm thinking he might get cut and I'll have a bad headache.
My family doesn’t really support self defense knives. Although my boyfriend is a knife collector and he knows knife combat and stuff like that. I asked him if he can secretly get me a knife and he was hesitant because knives are sharp and he was worried that I would accidentally cut myself. I told him that he can teach me how to use it so he said yes. I’m a curvy girl most people would tell me that people get surgery to have a body like mine. I don’t agree with my body type because of the amount of attention I get from individuals. I live in NY and the area I live in has a high rate of break in, gun violence, stabbings, and sexual assault. I couldn’t even walk by myself in bright daylight feeling safe. It’s honestly sad that I’m at this point to think I need a knife just in case. I know physical combat skills, and I used to be a taekwondo participant and one of the best until I tore my ACL. But if I think it’s necessary then I’ll use the knife.
ISSUE!! Are assuming that the knife is on the strong side of a person unable to get his/her pistol deployed. The knife would be weakside most likely. There would be no way for a left hand to redirect the blow from a club, and cut the inside of an attacker's forearm that I see. So how does that work? I wish you guys have went a bit farther in covering a strongside gun and weakside knife EDC defense for Righthand people. For left strong pistol carry where they blade is in the right this would be ideal.
i seen a few dudes on a few diffrent videos on Active Self Defense's channel, real cctv footage of crimes were dudes with short 4 inch knives stab once to the chest or neck and its done in about 20 seconds... person drops fast in real life..... I'm sure if I bury my 6 inch serrated Hold Out by Cold Steel in there center mass once, I could just run evade and slash until they drop from bleeding out or internal
Dirtie Mits, the point is to defend yourself and not go to prison. Be careful, you have to prove in a court of law that you weren't there aggressor. The wounds you make need to serve as evidence in a court of law that you were seeking to preserve your safety and life, not deprive from someone else.
I guess they don’t wear jackets in the Philippines. I also doubt they fight with 3” knives. So how does that effect time spent studying Philippines martial arts?
I’m in Texas. I can literally carry a Bowie knife. But our society is becoming so weak and pathetic that you have to worry about going to prison for defending your life or your family. They expect you to call the cops and tell the criminal to wait 15 minutes before they do something horrible.
So, i had a pretty severe injury on my thumb with a badly designed Knife sheath that almost amputated my thumb... needless to say, i have a bit of trauma... and thinking about slashing someones arm open, even in self defense... i don't think i could get myself to do that... Cut injuries are so nasty... my entire body is writhing thinking about this...
I'm not convinced that the advice given here is entirely sound. Firstly, one should not approach such a situation with any fixed notions of how to defend. When being attacked such that one's life hangs in the balance, a defender takes whatever opportunity to strike his opponent as may present itself. If an opportunity to slash presents, you slash; to stab, you stab; to run like a scalded cat... As for targets, just as with opportunities, you take what providence presents. If I can strike the neck, I'm striking the neck as that is the most likely to stop the attack forthwith. Your points about cutting tendons and muscle are all well taken, but your presentation was too static. If the only thing I can cut is the attacker's left toe, then that's what I attack. Concerning use of proportional force - here I depart with you completely. If someone is threatening my life, I am going to use whatever force I deem necessary to get the job done, up to and including using terminal-level tactics. When fighting for one's life, there is no time to consider legalities. I would also point out that when the police arrive, assuming you've not left the scene, if you have any brains at all, you will refrain from saying anything. It is generally recommended that you say absolutely nothing for 72 hours after such an incident for reasons I will not go into here.
The problem with the first point is you're assuming you cut all the way to the tendons. If they have clothing on it's not likely you'd slice all the way to the flexor tendons but it could be worth a shot
Both thrusting and slashing are vital techniques to train and apply, especially if you are talking about disabling a threat, it's a fact that thrusts are more lethal than slashes, we have copius amounts of data dating back hundreds of years showing even why militaries around the world who used and trained with bladed weapons including swords adopted thrusts over cuts because a thrust was more effective at stopping enemy soldiers. It's not to say slashing is not effective, because it is especially slashes to the eye area to disable vision. But a thrust is more deadly and will likely put somebody down quicker than most slashes will, especially when you hit vital organs. It's hard to keep fighting when your heart or lungs have been punctured. We do have documented records of the lethality and effectiveness of cuts Vs thrusts, medical records, military records and historical records and even explanations from military leaders and trainers as to why thrusts are more effective in combat. This is why the British military adopted thrusting swords over cutting swords for their campaigns and wars, because it was proven time and time again that thrusts are more effective than slahes.
Strange for you to say so as the English adopted the sabre for the most part of their Sea Empire viz the east India company. And it was the french and the Spaniards who used thrusts. The English favourite was the sabre pattern 1796 if I remember correctly. Also the cutlasses were English favourite. Slashing was the preferred move of the English to disable attackers limbs as thrusting would lead to over penetration and the sword getting stuck in the attacker while the attacker slides inwards in a deathly embrace and makes his move with his weapon while yours is full stuck in him getting in a successful kill. So English trusted the slash. And this made it’s way into the modern machete. Correct me if I am wrong. Romans preferred the thrust as they used shields along with it so they wouldn’t be cut.
@@JohnLee-bf2ux You're correct, even after being told to focus on point and thrust, many English would still favour the slash, but it was still well known how effective the thrust is. Kind of like telling a soldier not to punch, and he should be grappling, but they still want to box because they enjoy doing it. The English were like that with thrusting, and anytime a 100% thrust style pattern of sword was introduced they would not approve of it. They knew that the thrust was more effective but still chose to slash and cut, officers would point this out, it was well known that the British liked to cut, but they were told to thrust more.
I don't know what's funnier. the fact that guns are considered more fair yet can ricochet inside of you and easily kill you or the fact that slashing is more effective than stabbing. Stabbing/Thrusting is accurate, quick, and anyone can do it. Slashing is a technique based skill and not everyone can do it. the most effective self-defense is a quickly drawn fixed blade and a stab/thrust strike to a vital area. (neck, groin, head, and or chest)
you might not be able to completely stop it.. thats okay whats important is that you prevent it from striking something vital and being able to continue being used as a weapon... Slashing up the attackers arm will put that arm out of commission real quick..
unless you happen to live in a state where Self defense or the defense of others is frowned upon. hawaii where im from is a glowing example of this. Ive seen people go to jail and have their lives ruined because they defended themselves or others from an aggressor. It dosent matter if its justified or not most of the time the aggressor gets a slap on the wrist while the victim ends up paying for it in the end
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"If the police show up, it's much easier to articulate..." I'm gonna stop you right there lol. If the police show up, you don't "articulate" ANYTHING. You keep your mouth shut until you have legal counsel.
Damn right.
Get the hell out of there before the cops show up. They are going to give you jail time. They hate it when honest citizens protect themselves ... especially in democrat controlled cities. Jus sayin'
@@angelicwolf909 what a life pro tip: if you ever need to defend your ass escape so the attacker can spin a great narrative about you being the agressor thus making you a fugitive. Flawless logic.
@@angelicwolf909 in Democrat controlled cities they want to wait till the guy kills you for you to do anything....
Most people are going to articulate... especially after fighting for their life
Im the youngest sibling at home and pur house gets attempted break ins alot. Ive been taking Classes on self defense and sticking up on weapons to protect my autistic sister and sick mom when where home alone when my dads working late. This is very helpful thank you
Hope you and your family are safe.
You should definitely invest in a gun
My prayers are going up for you and your family
Why does your house get attempted break ins?
Officer it’s him, a true gigachad
I went to vo-tech with a man in the mid 80s. At the time his left fore arm was heavily suture and wrapped. I asked what happened he said he was attacked by a knife wielder in downtown Minneapolis bar one night in his nieghborhood. He was able to wrap a coat around his arm after the attack started, it took 3 others to help stop the psycho. Law enforcement wasn't able to find the attacker. About 5 weeks after the incident my friend spotted the individual strolling down the sidewalk in a near by nieghborhood and the front bumper of his 78 Mercury Cougar caught the perp! Street justce? Yes sir!!
he went to prison doe kinda dumb
@@mysteretsym how do you know he went to Jail?
@@mysteretsym Not if he was smart he didn't. Especially not back in the 1980s when there weren't billions of cameras all over the place like today.
Even though this video is 6 years old I wanted to comment additionally to it. Slashing, in terms of stopping power, is nothing compared to a properly delivered stab. What does that mean? It means that you stab the body's shock zones. Specifically, the heart, penetrating the intercostal spaces between the ribs (provided you have a blade that is long enough) Then we have the eyes, kidneys and femoral artery (kills mobility and later kills the host due to blood loss. The reason a slash will not be as effective at stopping an opponent, generally speaking, is that a slash may contribute to the stopping of the threat due to blood loss but at a later point in time. This is operational time for an opponent to do their worst to you. I've seen this behavior even with firearms when the wrong caliber combined with poor shot placement fails to immediately target an area that produces enough shock to stop a target. While these instructors have some really good points their discussion and techniques are remiss. How do I know these things? I learned from the best. For knives that's Master Matei Florin. I call him master, that's not a title he actually uses but his skillset is truly scary. Then there is the legendary Massad Ayoob who I have studied extensively. Finally, know this: Knife fighting isn't pretty. In fact it's rather gruesome and if you are not mentally prepared or just cannot kill then do not carry (this goes for guns too) Most importantly, train. Without training you are a liability to yourself and others. Talent is no replacement for training.
Hi! I know you made your reply 4 mo ago, so you probably won’t see this, but you said that “provided you have a blade that is long enough”. Do you recommend any good switchblades, pocket knives, or just general knives that would have a long enough blade? I tried looking this up myself on Google, and the results were not very helpful/what I was looking for lol. Thank you :)
@@rochelleharding One more thing as far as brand name goes CKRT makes a good knife so does SOG. Expect to pay at least $150 for something that's quality
@@rochelleharding What you're looking for is a fixed 5 or 6 inch blade with a 4 inch handle. Fixed blades are easier and quicker to deploy and lack the inherent weaknesses of a folder.
Knives are just not ideal for stoppage no matter how you spin it. Stabbing, slashing, it doesn't matter. They are great at inflicting lethal damage but not stopping the threat in a window of time that matters. They also look terrible in court. I suggest people look into Varg Freeborn for more on that. The only knife methodology that has real applications would be Craig Douglas's approach. Using the knife to break holds and create space when you're getting smothered. Not for stoppage. Carrying a 6 inch blade is unwieldy and unrealistic. Use that space for something more important.
What I wonder about is slash is the ability (or inability) to slash through long-sleaved coats or jackets. A short blade might not get through a heavy fabric like denim or leather.
That is a good point, Ray. A short blade might not get through heavier fabrics as easily as thin fabrics. I'm so glad you're thinking about these things now and not in the heat of a self-defense incident!
Factoring in the fabric - what modifications would you consider?
Slashing at the fingers instead of the arm is an option, but the fingers are a much smaller target. Mr, Janich has often said that the legs are not usually protected layered clothing so dealing with the initial attack with a block or deflection and then cut to the legs to disable the assailant is a possibility. Stabbing into the arm is also an option if you've trained and practiced enough with your blade of choice to be that accurate with your thrusts.
I'm looking at this based on my interest in medieval history. Historically cloth frequently did a great deal to thwart even sword stokes
Ray Chilensky if the knife is verry sharp and used with substantial force it shoud work unless your living in a verry cold place where people are wearing multiple layers of thick clothing but even then something designed with slashing in mind should work
In the joint we would use newspapers and magazines for armor. Works really good. I've been in 2 knife fights and have seen dozens. Most of what I've discovered is that it's almost always a sneak attack. Many times what you think is a punch is a stab. Anyway,my 2 cents.
I work in a level 1 trauma hospital and I'd have to agree 100 percent with this video.
Good job articulating what many people think, especially in a courtroom; stabbing=intent to kill. Also, I like how Mr. Janich highlighted the historical difference in stabbing effectiveness between modern 3-4in folding carry blades and older, much larger fixed blade knives like the Bowie.
WOW! That is really helpful info! I will still use my pepper spray before my belt knife but defanging the snake and creating shock is interesting info! Thanks! Let's all stay safe and protect our loved ones.
Pepper spray is the absolute best option. It's a projectile weapon that doesn't come with all the legal repercussions of a lethal weapon like a gun or blade. I still carry a knife (mainly for utility purposes) and a gun, but pepper spray would be my 1st choice in 99% of self defense situations.
If the threat is truly lethal in nature, I would be thinking multiple
slashes/thrusts. If you de-fang the snake, the assailant can still cause
great harm or death with other hidden weapons or simply his own size
and strength. I would keep attacking (neck area) until he stopped
attacking me. The old saying goes...better to be judged by 12 than
carried by 6...
You said it, better to live and tell the story yourself than be dead, now your story is over.
If you only allow yourself one extact cut only to the forearm exclusively in than manner youre gona be thinking about it up in heaven cause the perp will beat you to the punch every time as he is not limited. The law is designed to kill the innocent man imo
You forgot to re-stomp the groin.
Then re-stomp the neck, then re-stomp the groin again.
@@DarkPablo This would be construed in court as unnecessary force if the target is no longer a threat to you. If you’re joking, then I’m the idiot and my bad 😂
Finally something realistic.
Right exactly
I love this video don't mess around with just slashing straight up unplug the controller of his hand
unrealistic fancy X or triangular slash.. real life isnt controled competition... stabing is way more efficient.
be fast be the first, slash push you in much more dangerous defencinf position and cause veyr little damage unless very well aimed.
This isnt realistic. This is utter nonsense and Janich knows it. If you don’t cut that tendon or ligament 100%, you did nothing. He’s still operable. Only deep penetrating stabs are going to stop someone.
Yeah, for a movie stunt. 9/10 of these 'self-defense' techniques only work, if the adversary isnt actually a threat.
A cut above the eyes around the eyebrows is very effective if you can't get at the arm with the weapon or the leg, it's painful and it bleeds alot so the psychological effect is there but it also will obstruct the attackers vision since all that blood will run down over the attackers eyes. This may also give you the time to then disable the weapon hand.
CrazyIrishMedic brutal
Yah if you dont blind them by accident in the struggle
Just pop an eyeball, the aqueous humor liquid inside will ooze out, leaving an eyeball like a collapsed grape hanging from its socket. Trust me
I was thinking that too. They teach you in first aid etc to not get freaked out by facial injuries because the face bleeds a lot but it often looks worse than it is for minor cuts.
Thats smart actually...doubtful you would reach that far and have it presented though
It's a shame that we live in such a pussified society that emphasizes "minimum amount of damage to escape a threat" A person comes against you they literally take their own life in their hands and whatever happens to them is solely your discretion, not some judge's or court's.
They want you to be seriously injured so that way you can cry victim to them and sound justified after serious bodily injury they dont want you defending yourself atleast not sucessfully
Its about legality not morality. Your obviously a stubborn American criminal so (in one ear out the other i suppose.) You cowards only use guns anyway so dont know why u care.
Thank you. Tell that to my judge please.
Lol ok buddy
True story. It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
If Zimmerman and Rittenhouse can get acquitted, then so can the rest of us.
I was always taught to slash in the forehead area if possible in order for the blood to blind and shock the attacker.
yep but while you aim foread your forearm and finger become easy target.
you aim far :D
"I was always taught to slash in the forehead area if possible..." Who is teaching that?
@@CorkKNIFE All he thinks about is foreheads
great video guys. as someone who has worked with knives a lot, u hit a lot of mistakes that people who don't use knives make.
Thanks, joeshaver1104! Anything you'd like to add?
USCCA only don't try and attack/defend in the overhead manor that the "attacker" in the video is demonstrating. to someone who can defend a knife attack, that strike is the best thing you can hope for.
Thanks for the advice, joeshaver1104!
This was super helpful, I recently started going on runs early in the morning. Surprisingly there's a lot of people up and out early, because of that I decided to start bringing a knife. I needed to know how to use one properly because I do not want to use it wrong and have it reversed and used on me. Thanks for the information!
Gabby Sabel Rule #1 for women: Learn to get out of the Fear Mode even if you get punched in the face, or being threatened with a gun. Being with more than one does not make you safer: four women were tied up by one perpetrator, and murdered in a national park, notorious case where more than a dozen nurses were killed in on location, the Charleston church murder where no no one acted, and cases where the victim was taken to a motel and raped. Rule #2 Never display a knife even when physically attacked. Immediately fight/resist, or comply/plea until you get an opportunity, but don't get tied. Rule #3 Your attack should be a "Complete Surprise". Rule #3 Do not learn from UA-cam videos, or the police because they keep everything sterile. They promote legalities, self defense/commonsense instead of Self Preservation. Your aim is to "DO IT" with respect, like preparing a deer or fresh fish - that's life - It's your life and nobody cares more than you. Cameras do not stop criminals - recently a women walked up to a car while she was getting in and shot her in the head at close range. Finally get the correct knife, knives that you can open with one hand, not automatic knives. You don't want to be Karen abcnews.go.com/US/murder-case-york-city-jogger-karina-vetrano-stands/story?id=62058877
You need to get training at a place where they spar with resisting opponents.
Do not carry a knife and think you can protect yourself after watching a few videos because chances are your much less able to strike someone than you think and if you pull it on the wrong person they will make you drop it with a well timed kick or headbutt or something.
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Love the explanation of bio-mechanical cutting.
Bill Clancy, it's something id surprisingly never considered as a novice but makes obvious sense now.
One of my favorite movies is The Hunted and they used realistic training from knife professionals to depict drill sequences that involved cutting major arteries to speed blood loss. That always seemed obvious to me.
Busting a lung is no joke either it only takes 3 inc and can be done for the back 😳
Janich is always so well spoken
Thanks guys, much appreciated. Very nice to see Michael Janis on board! I've been a martial artist since I was an early teen, and have always been on the fence with carrying a knife.
This does help clarify
Excellent instruction this is the best instruction on knife defense I’ve ever heard or seen.
I must assume you've not seen very much.
Stabbing with a small knife can still work, but target accuracy and selection becomes more important. However, it Mike Janich is right: the justice system has a bias against knives, and therefore your results need to look different than that of criminal's. In that regard, defanging the snake is your best option if it presents itself to you in the fight.
Hello I am a member of the uscca my name is Brandon Miller I just want to know about this knife video where does the uscca special gift knife lie in that training is it just the right length or does it need to be shorter or longer as far as legal carry
Is the 2-inch blade self-defenseable? (Spring Assist)
Pepper Gel to the face makes the bad guy wish he had stayed home that day.
Thank you for this. I recently bought an AKC knife for protection and I really don't want to be in a situation where I have to brandish it but I certainly need to know the laws and proper defense with a sharp stick haha. Cheers.
The gun shot in the intro got me pumped 🥷
Totally agree that "stabbing" is ineffective (except in jailhouse shankings). Slashing is correct, but against what target? An arm that is swinging something is moving too fast. Since lethal force is authorized, there is no time for political correctness. The "de-fanging the snake" philosophy sounds cool, but requires too much finesse under stress. The most effective response is an instantaneous slashing of the carotid. The target (neck) isn't moving and defense is impossible. Fight is over. I'll worry about the cops later. A call to USCCA should solve that issue.
Are you already a USCCA member, InYourDefense?
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Awesome! We're glad to have you in the USCCA family, InYourDefense!
If you rep this its actually alot easier then you think to hit the hand of the attacker. Most people default to leaving there "lead" hand out (like a jab) all you have to do is slash in an X pattern and you should be able to hit your target. If you do miss you still at a range in which your opponent cant touch you easily. If you are close enough to stab someone in the carotid then they are close enough to stab you as well. The Defanging the snake method keeps you at a safe distance and still cause damage.
I don't think a membership to USCCA protect one from knives;only guns. Am I wrong?
@ around 1:15 he lists several contact distance weapons. IS A FIST A CONTACT DISTANCE WEAPON? Or am I supposed to fight with my hands with a monster that can beat me to a pulp and then dispatch me? I am disabled. A punch to the head could kill me on the spot.When is it appropriate to use a knife for me?
My advice is to keep it simple. Carry pepper spray and a gun at all times.
The pepper spray is for unarmed attackers and the gun is for armed attackers.
You can't go wrong with that setup. Also, they do make lightweight and comfortable bulletproof/stab proof clothing nowadays. Check out the hoodies on Bulletproof Everyone and Bulletproof Zone. They are affordable and very stylish. Good luck and Godspeed!
Good video. Great comments. Thanks to both groups for extending my knowledge during my current knife training.
I always thought going to the face first would be the way to go. And as your opponent rears his head back he exposes his vitals.
First time here.....love I am a martial artist and had very little knife training......
Thanks for mentioning about the Filipino Martial Arts. Watching your videos from Manila! Take care always Sirs, 73!
Simple information that could save your life.
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Thank you for your support, Chaz!
The best time to use a knife or edged tool in self defense is when someone is choking you. It's damn near impossible to shoot your way out of a choke hold from behind and if you are realistically using a knife for a choke defense, sawing the choking arm until the aggressor lets go is the most effective method. Stabbing someone isn't needed for a choke defense so that should get you in far less legal trouble.
Can you carry concealed without a permit if you are on your own apartment complex? Outside of your apartment?
This is a very reasonable way to use a knife in self defense. Not only it can be done with even a non-locking pocket knife, like my SAK with a blade just over 2" , it also keeps you some distance from the attacker, and it actually proves to the court that it was self-defense, unlike Master Ken's fantasies.
So how would a curved blade be in a fight? What would the difference be between curved and straight? I feel a curved blade would cut more and possibly faster
I just bought a knife for self defense, also going to get a pepper spray and a tazor soon, this video makes me feel better.
Tools are less than useless without knowledge.
Go get out there and train.
Everything sounds good theoretical, but does this actually work on the field? I mean if a person stabs you erratically with no pattern, its hard to slice through that area, isen‘t it?
Fantastic video even 7 years later. In Canada you have a duty to retreat if you can. In court you must be ready to explain the many attempts you made to first deescalate, then disengage and that you only resorted to physical defense as a last resort. If you have time/space to leave and didn't, then you were not really in fear of your life. Being with seniors or children may hamper your retreat so explain that in court as well, you can't just run away leaving grandma and the children behind.
Great video. Real explanation I was long searching for. Thank you.
But what if their wearing long sleeves? Would the slashing be as effective?
Yeah yeah, if it was sharp enough
A friend in law enforcement and a high ranking self defence coach and filipino martial artist said this...." Its safe to ask the officer for time to articulate because of a highly adrenalized state" deep breaths ask for water and a coffee...whatever. The key is the ability to articulate, and its fairly specific whats best to say and not to say
I saw somebody mention this on another video but I also wanted to draw attention to the third strike motion with the blade into the quadricep. Most people know there is a femoral artery there, most people don't know a deep laceration through it can cause you to at very best go into shock in 1-3 minutes. My only critique is that the first two strikes are absolutely justifiable, the third will absolutely stop somebody but it might also kill them. Which is a bit harder to justify legally.
Good luck reaching the quadricept without taking one to the skull/ head region..thats a net loss
This is very helpful, I recently just got a nice sized knife for myself. Sad that we live in a world where we need to carry stuff like this!
recently got a knife for defense in case. ty for this video
In my country this would be efficient enough cuz I live in the subtropics where everyone only wears one layer of clothing and short sleeves and shorts so there'd be enough skin to slash
Kevin & Mike, thank you.
Stab through the forward part of the deltoid
One differing opinion - if somebody is armed with a gun and the only weapon you have is a knife, then you still need to “defang the snake.”
Example: My can’t carry a firearm at work, but her knife for opening mail-n-stuff is ok. In an active shooter scenario if she can’t run, and hiding is unsuccessful, she’s knowledgeable in using her letter opener to stop the threat.
Outside of that - great video
What doyou think of a karambit ?
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Makes me wonder how centuries ago when our ancestors were in war with bladed weapons and how fast do they kill their enemies
I had several cuts in both hands right thigh..cant forget the pain..and this is very painful to watch😅 damn..those slices..
I believe the original target of defanging the snake was across the front of one's fist? The concept can apply to other areas though no doubt. Interesting video and comments here.
if you are as trained as mr. janich: yeap. slashing. but for caveman style stuff: stabbing. stabs, as a technique, can be applied to everyday items and/or hits that do not penetrate... versatility is what i am trying to get across.
Self preservation would be better name for all of this.
I'd stick with pepper gel if I have the chance
But this is a good PSA if im forced to use a knife
Oh goodness hopefully this is gomna help, I think someone is outside I'm 14 freakin out and the only thnig I got is tnis sharp black knife, its not a kitchen knife its more like what u see in the movies but less cool or whatever idk mannnn I'm a girl I'm not strong with me luck
what happened?
Dont worry guys I know her, her name is Haley bacon. She is fine nothing came of it
really like the way everything is explained ,
nice videos
thanks
Thanks for helpful but brief video 👍
So I'm right handed with a 3 or 4 inch knife, the guy's forearm swinging a crow bar with his right hand is my target....I'm thinking he might get cut and I'll have a bad headache.
My family doesn’t really support self defense knives. Although my boyfriend is a knife collector and he knows knife combat and stuff like that. I asked him if he can secretly get me a knife and he was hesitant because knives are sharp and he was worried that I would accidentally cut myself. I told him that he can teach me how to use it so he said yes.
I’m a curvy girl most people would tell me that people get surgery to have a body like mine. I don’t agree with my body type because of the amount of attention I get from individuals. I live in NY and the area I live in has a high rate of break in, gun violence, stabbings, and sexual assault. I couldn’t even walk by myself in bright daylight feeling safe. It’s honestly sad that I’m at this point to think I need a knife just in case. I know physical combat skills, and I used to be a taekwondo participant and one of the best until I tore my ACL. But if I think it’s necessary then I’ll use the knife.
School need s to teach us this
Once you cut flesh the shock to the body is significant.
What about the throat?
ISSUE!! Are assuming that the knife is on the strong side of a person unable to get his/her pistol deployed. The knife would be weakside most likely. There would be no way for a left hand to redirect the blow from a club, and cut the inside of an attacker's forearm that I see.
So how does that work? I wish you guys have went a bit farther in covering a strongside gun and weakside knife EDC defense for Righthand people. For left strong pistol carry where they blade is in the right this would be ideal.
Awesome 👌
Thank you for sharing. In some countries, carrying a pointed knife is crime, and their governments only license guns - not knives.
i seen a few dudes on a few diffrent videos on Active Self Defense's channel, real cctv footage of crimes were dudes with short 4 inch knives stab once to the chest or neck and its done in about 20 seconds... person drops fast in real life..... I'm sure if I bury my 6 inch serrated Hold Out by Cold Steel in there center mass once, I could just run evade and slash until they drop from bleeding out or internal
Dirtie Mits, the point is to defend yourself and not go to prison. Be careful, you have to prove in a court of law that you weren't there aggressor. The wounds you make need to serve as evidence in a court of law that you were seeking to preserve your safety and life, not deprive from someone else.
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Thanks for the great training and information you give us through video and print medias.
You're welcome, John! :)
Excellent. Thanks for this great information.
Excellent information.
the knife class I took, was sweep, jab, and thrusts
Yep cause it's easier to remember and do when you aren't used to being attacked in real life
What kind of knife it the red one on his pocket?
Training knife. Spyderco
I guess they don’t wear jackets in the Philippines. I also doubt they fight with 3” knives. So how does that effect time spent studying Philippines martial arts?
I’m in Texas. I can literally carry a Bowie knife. But our society is becoming so weak and pathetic that you have to worry about going to prison for defending your life or your family. They expect you to call the cops and tell the criminal to wait 15 minutes before they do something horrible.
For me it’s the ones who do not want their criminal loved one to be accountable for their actions. They want to sue you for their scumbag kin
only way a knife stops is massive blood loss. Go for the major arteries or heart using at least a 6 inch blade!
Thank you
What if the wrist was covered with clothes? Like he is wearing a jacket or something.
It makes a lot of sense.
So, i had a pretty severe injury on my thumb with a badly designed Knife sheath that almost amputated my thumb... needless to say, i have a bit of trauma... and thinking about slashing someones arm open, even in self defense... i don't think i could get myself to do that... Cut injuries are so nasty... my entire body is writhing thinking about this...
no knife will slash good at a thick coat and shirt and vest . a six inch blade in the neck will do just fine.
When there is a Stab there is a Slash and vise versa
Well said, well presented.
Why not slash the hand area. He could have heavy sleeves on
What if you are using a Knife in Retaliation?
I'm not convinced that the advice given here is entirely sound. Firstly, one should not approach such a situation with any fixed notions of how to defend. When being attacked such that one's life hangs in the balance, a defender takes whatever opportunity to strike his opponent as may present itself. If an opportunity to slash presents, you slash; to stab, you stab; to run like a scalded cat...
As for targets, just as with opportunities, you take what providence presents. If I can strike the neck, I'm striking the neck as that is the most likely to stop the attack forthwith. Your points about cutting tendons and muscle are all well taken, but your presentation was too static. If the only thing I can cut is the attacker's left toe, then that's what I attack.
Concerning use of proportional force - here I depart with you completely. If someone is threatening my life, I am going to use whatever force I deem necessary to get the job done, up to and including using terminal-level tactics. When fighting for one's life, there is no time to consider legalities. I would also point out that when the police arrive, assuming you've not left the scene, if you have any brains at all, you will refrain from saying anything. It is generally recommended that you say absolutely nothing for 72 hours after such an incident for reasons I will not go into here.
The problem with the first point is you're assuming you cut all the way to the tendons. If they have clothing on it's not likely you'd slice all the way to the flexor tendons but it could be worth a shot
A dull knife will cut right through a thick jacket or pants and into a person if someone swings it at you with authority.
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great information
Both thrusting and slashing are vital techniques to train and apply, especially if you are talking about disabling a threat, it's a fact that thrusts are more lethal than slashes, we have copius amounts of data dating back hundreds of years showing even why militaries around the world who used and trained with bladed weapons including swords adopted thrusts over cuts because a thrust was more effective at stopping enemy soldiers. It's not to say slashing is not effective, because it is especially slashes to the eye area to disable vision. But a thrust is more deadly and will likely put somebody down quicker than most slashes will, especially when you hit vital organs. It's hard to keep fighting when your heart or lungs have been punctured.
We do have documented records of the lethality and effectiveness of cuts Vs thrusts, medical records, military records and historical records and even explanations from military leaders and trainers as to why thrusts are more effective in combat. This is why the British military adopted thrusting swords over cutting swords for their campaigns and wars, because it was proven time and time again that thrusts are more effective than slahes.
Strange for you to say so as the English adopted the sabre for the most part of their Sea Empire viz the east India company. And it was the french and the Spaniards who used thrusts. The English favourite was the sabre pattern 1796 if I remember correctly. Also the cutlasses were English favourite. Slashing was the preferred move of the English to disable attackers limbs as thrusting would lead to over penetration and the sword getting stuck in the attacker while the attacker slides inwards in a deathly embrace and makes his move with his weapon while yours is full stuck in him getting in a successful kill. So English trusted the slash. And this made it’s way into the modern machete. Correct me if I am wrong. Romans preferred the thrust as they used shields along with it so they wouldn’t be cut.
@@JohnLee-bf2ux You're correct, even after being told to focus on point and thrust, many English would still favour the slash, but it was still well known how effective the thrust is.
Kind of like telling a soldier not to punch, and he should be grappling, but they still want to box because they enjoy doing it. The English were like that with thrusting, and anytime a 100% thrust style pattern of sword was introduced they would not approve of it. They knew that the thrust was more effective but still chose to slash and cut, officers would point this out, it was well known that the British liked to cut, but they were told to thrust more.
I don't know what's funnier. the fact that guns are considered more fair yet can ricochet inside of you and easily kill you or the fact that slashing is more effective than stabbing.
Stabbing/Thrusting is accurate, quick, and anyone can do it. Slashing is a technique based skill and not everyone can do it. the most effective self-defense is a quickly drawn fixed blade and a stab/thrust strike to a vital area. (neck, groin, head, and or chest)
Have you trained with a knife for self defense before?
Lesson one of knife fighting...know how to use a knife.
How are you soppose to stop a tire iron coming down? Want that break your arm trying to catch it to slice other guys arm..
you might not be able to completely stop it.. thats okay whats important is that you prevent it from striking something vital and being able to continue being used as a weapon... Slashing up the attackers arm will put that arm out of commission real quick..
unless you happen to live in a state where Self defense or the defense of others is frowned upon. hawaii where im from is a glowing example of this. Ive seen people go to jail and have their lives ruined because they defended themselves or others from an aggressor. It dosent matter if its justified or not most of the time the aggressor gets a slap on the wrist while the victim ends up paying for it in the end
The law wants youre flesh and blood they dont care if its criminal or law abiding citizen either way will get it
It's got to be hard to hit someone's moving arm right?
And what if he’s wearing a thick jacket?