This is mind blowing 🤯 for me! Very insightful and appreciated the way he explains the scriptures with the context. My in-laws have been stuck in this cult for over 50 years, I pray for them everyday.
A lot of people become Jehovah's Witnesses because they feel they are part of a ready made family. Everyone is friendly with you and you go to their homes and they come to you. They show a lot of love to all, as they do not become friendly with people outside of the religion. Lonely people will often join them because of this.
This is the very thing that Jesus Christ asked us to do and that is as a Christian to love one another and it's not "just" lonely people, all people are welcome to worship God with them
@meerutpat 760 because witnesses on average every day of the year. In Italy the center of Catholicism JWs are growing so fast the church is UP IN ARMS. So many Catholics are leaving the church and studying the Bibl then getting baptized as JWs just like Jesus did.
@@patchooo84 that is because people are starting to see that world religion is not teaching correct bible Scripture , like me for years I accepted what I was told about the scriptures but as soon as I started to really study the bible I could see so many lies that the church was telling people, some"people" feel sorry and say I have been blinded, but I say back, this is the first time I've seen things clearly, I love Jehovah for the compassionate and loving God that he is I also adore Jesus for the fine example he left us to follow, he gave his perfect human life so we all will have a chance of everlasting life on a clean earth no more death war sickness poverty the list goes on and this is on earth not in heaven as I was lead to believe there is still time but as it says in the scripture as it was in the days of Noah people will be eating drinking marrying etc ...and then the end will come,if I'm wrong I've lost nothing but what I've gained is a decent life not filled with the stinking mess that Satan has conned billions into believing,
@@pamelasloan1664 Pamela, I have seen plenty of Christian churches where love abounds. Does that mean that their theology is correct? Not according to your religious beliefs. And all cults say what you are saying. They are quick to declare how much they love each other, but just as quick to demonize all others. You claim that "satan" has conned us. You base that on the fact that you say you have "studied the Bible", but the fact of the matter is that according to Watchtower theology you ARE blind. You are not born again. That means that you cannot see the kingdom of God. So how do you know that you have understood the scriptures you have read? What if I was to show you a scripture that disagrees with what the Watchtower teaches. Which would you choose? What the Watchtower teaches, or scripture?
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6, ESV)
First let's examine God's word first All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
As a person having been raised in the JWs, I find it hilarious just the thought of "witnessing to a Witness" 😂 It´s turning the tables on them, ha ha. All those years walking door to door with my mom, I never experienced anyone doing that, I would have loved to see it, she would have been completely floored 😅😅
@@pigdestr0yer1973 just wondering i guess, I had a JW mum she was a little strict but she was a loving mother who couldn't do enough for us, Dad wasn't a witness but he was the opposite I can say that My father could have learnt to be a better person if he had taken the same faith as my mum
I often see people who try to find similarities in what Jesus and Jehovah did or do, and the remarking that this means that they are the same being but this is just not the case!!
@robertzanol6963 "You, O king, (Nebuchadnezzar) are the king of kings," Dan 2:37 "And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” Rev 19:16 Do you use these verses to prove Jesus is Nebuchadnezzar?
@@robertzanol6963 You are right to say "context". We can see why Daniel would call Nebuchadnezzar "king of kings". (or the Persian king Artaxerxes also"). He was a king who ruled over many kings. Compared to Jesus as the "King of kings" these earthly kings were nothing. "“I the Lord search the mind and try the heart, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.” Jer 17:10 "And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve." Rev 2:23 Simply because Jehovah and Jesus can do the same thing with regard to searching hearts and minds does not mean Jesus must be Jehovah. Clearly Jehovah, as Almighty God, looking into hearts and minds is something He could easily do. As Jehovah, the Father has given Jesus all authority in heaven and earth, Also at John 5:26 "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, 27 and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man." The Father gave Jesus the authority to "execute judgment". The ability to see what is into hearts and minds must go along with this given power to judge. Jesus healed and raised the dead. The disciples healed and raised the dead. What does that tell you.
Thank’s so much my friend’s 😊 The Lord’s love + grace be with you His Hope + peace, in Life, and beyond the grave Hope you are all well and resting in Jesus saving love + grace 😊 Warmest Love + blessing’s friends 😊
Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is "Mighty God" not "A Mighty God" He is also the "Everlasting (Eternal) Father" in the same verse. And Deut 10:17 says LORD (YHWH/Yahweh or the latinization Yehowa/Jehovah) is the "Mighty God" who does not show partiality.
There is a verse is Isa.. that YHWH is called Mighty God. Yes Jesus is called mighty god too.. If we consider these points we find the following: 1st set of descriptions: -Jesus mighty god -YHWH might god 2nd set of descriptions: -YHWH Almighty God -Almighty God, doesn’t exist of Jesus Even if Jesus is described as mighty we don’t find the application of those titles that are exclusive to Jehovah ALL applied to Jesus.
Why do JW"s always go back to terminology they make up? He is correct, in isaiah chapter 9 Jesus is called Mighty God and then One verse later in chapter 10 Jehovah is referred to as Mighty God. So, using their inconsistent non logical reasoning, then Jehovah must not be Almighty God either.
Jehovah is the English translation of Yehweh, just as John, Luke, Paul are also translations into English. What you should yourselves is why the Tetragammatron was translated into the title of God! Most bibles use a title instead of his name, why do you think that is?
Wrong! “Jehovah…” (Yehovah) It is widely used in many churches. It is considered by many Christians to be hollowed, and many beautiful hymns also endear it, however, this name “Jehovah” is a concoction of man. Therefore, it is a “mongrel,” a “hybrid,” and it is “fantastic,” a fantasy, and it is “monstrous!” There is something very wrong with this euphonious name Jehovah. Therefore, the name of Jehovah was a name never revealed by the LORD. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict. What are the facts? Ever since the Babylonian invasion of the Kingdom of Judea, and the enforced diaspora of its noble class in 597 BCE, the Jews have had a strong penchant for hiding the name of the LORD (YHWH) from the Gentiles, thus preventing them from potentially profaning the LORD’s name revealed to Moses (specifically the name of YAH, “HaYAH”, as found in Exodus 3:13-15). YAH is “the name which is above every name.” Readers in the synagogues would inadvertently attempt to pronounce the LORD’s name, as there were no vowels in the Hebrew words within the Hebrew Bible [or known as “The Old Testament”] when coming upon God’s name: YHWH. Later, the Jewish clergy developed the practice, around the 1100s of adding Hebrew vowels created by the Masoretes, to the Tetragrammaton [Gr. word for the four consonant letters of the LORD's name]. The vowels were taken from at least three other Hebrew words, namely, Adonay (meaning Lord, with the vowels of a-o-ai causing the hybrid name YaHoWaiH, or later shortened to YAHWEH), Eloah (meaning God, with the vowels of e-o-a causing YeHoWaH later Jehovah or Yehovah), and Elohim (meaning Gods, with the vowels of e-o-i causing YeHoWiH, as shown in Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words # 3069). These hybrid names were never meant to form any legitimate name for the LORD but were placed there to remind the readers in the synagogues to say, “Adonay” instead of attempting to pronounce the LORD’s actual name. How was this euphonious name, Jehovah, propagated? Later in Medieval times, the Roman Catholic Church was known to raid Jewish synagogues, take their gold, and the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and persecute Jews. Raymondus Martini was a 13th century Dominican friar and theologian. He is remembered for his book called “Pugio Fidei” (in the year 1270 CE). Finding the absconded Hebrew Scriptures in the Dominican Library, and believing he had discovered the name of God, he used the name Iehovah (or Iehova) in his book not understanding that these vowels were not original to the LORD’s actual name. The name and pronunciation of “Jehovah,” (and also the name Jesus unknown until the 17th century) were essentially unknown in the years before 1520 CE, when introduced and propagated by Peter, Galatinus (1450-1540), he held the office of penitentiary under pope Leo X. His chief work De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, a book, written at the request of the pope, the emperor, and other dignitaries, in the year 1516 CE, as he also used the name Iehovah in his book. The name Iehovah was altered with the addition of the letter J, which was a recent addition to the English alphabet in the 17th century. Galatinus also did not know of the Jewish practice of adding vowels from an entirely different word. He did not know that the vowels found around the Tetragrammaton YeHoWaH were from the Hebrew word Eloah, and if he did, he did not care. Noted Bible scholar J. B. Rotherham, essentially stated, “To give YHWH (Latin: IHVH and later JHVH) the vowels of the word (ELOAH) to remind the Jewish reader to say, ‘Adonay,’ and to be pronounced by the Christians, ‘Jehovah,’ is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name of Germany with the vowels of Portugal-viz., Gormuna” (The Emphasized Bible, J. B. Rotherham, Kregel Publication, 1994, Pp. 24-25). Jehovah in its present hybrid form has only existed since the 17th century. Fact: The LORD’s essential name is YAH, and Bible scholars have acknowledged YAHWEH (see Strong’s #3050), as in “Praise YAH,” Hebrew: “Halleluyah!” The English “Hallelujah” is a misnomer. YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9), and YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12), and this name is to be known among every language, and tongue, as the essential revealed name of the LORD according to the Gospel (Philippians 2:11), YAH, as in HaYAH (the I AM). The Savior identified His name as “I AM” (YAH, see John 8:58). The prophet Isaiah identified the name of salvation as YAH (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). And “shua” means “my help”, as in “my salvation.” To reject the revealed name of YAHSHUA, which was given by the angel (Matthew 1:21) is to stand condemned (John 3:18). YAHSHUA is shortened from the name YAHOSHUA, which is commonly spelled Yehoshua largely due to the Jewish practice of hiding the name YAH, by adding vowels to YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, from the Hebrew vowels of Eloah, which caused the false Yeh, as a result, scholars would consider YAHOSHUA a philological impossibility, however, they are mistaken. What does the name Jehovah mean in Hebrew? Je-hovah, “hovah” in Hebrew means, “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity” (see Strong’s #1942, #1943). The Jewish Encyclopedia, states, under the name “Jehovah,” “This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form Jehovah, which, however, is a philological impossibility” (p. 160). The Jehovah’s Witnesses admittedly make a similar reference that the name Jehovah is inferior, in their book: Let Your Name Be Sanctified (p. 16). Undoubtedly, the name Jehovah is not the revealed name of the LORD! Many Christian clergy know the truth that the name Jehovah is bogus. Still, due to their tradition, or the fact that this name erroneously appears in the King James Version of the Bible, they hold to this euphonious name for the sake of their tradition, which makes void the revelation of God (Mark 7:6-7). The Lord has a warning for them, “And now, O priests (pastors and teachers), this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if you will not take it to heart, to give glory to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart” (Malachi 2:1-2). Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Despite being told the truth of the one name of salvation, YAHSHUA, they will hold to the name Jesus and Jehovah, despite never having been revealed by the LORD. Many will reject the name YAHSHUA leaving only a few, and being of the many despite the admonishment: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). The name Jesus was never revealed by the LORD, or an angel of the Lord, and history proves this, as eminent historian Ernest Renan acknowledged that the Savior was never in His lifetime called “Jesus” (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). The name Jesus, in its present form, has only existed since the 17th century.
Another one trying to say the Trinity? The beginning was already good. We believe in one God but in three persons. And why do you limit God to 3? He is Almighty so he said I will be whatever I want. And did Jesus ever teach that he was God? And when he asked the disciples who they thought He was, Peter replied, YOU ARE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. His God told his disciples, "Go and make disciples, teaching them what I have commanded you. So who, after so many centuries, teaches something different, trying to find some incomprehensible and strange Trinity in the Bible? It has neither logic nor is it the teaching of Jesus himself or the Apostles. Jesus himself admitted that apostasy would come and people would speak perverse teachings. And so it is with the doctrine of the Trinity. Does anyone who believes in it really understand what they repeat without thinking? The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Everyone is a different person, but God. 1+1+1= 1 ? After all, this teaching is so ridiculous and tragic for those who propagate it, that no one will even wonder what its origin is. Because Jesus warned against false teachers and wolves. Finally, a question to consider for those who are trying to understand the Trinity that they have created. TO WHOM DID "GOD ALMIGHTY" JESUS PRAY WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES? There are countless such questions. And looking for verses in the Bible and putting them under the Trinity is tragic. At the end. Jesus said before leaving that if you preach what I have commanded you, I will be with you until the end. And who today is known for zealously preaching throughout the earth about Jesus as He presented Himself when He was on earth?
Did you know of the Jewish practice of placing vowels (Hebrew vowels) onto (YHWH) the Tetragrammaton? Vowels from Adonai are placed onto YHWH causing the hybrid name Yahowaih, shortened to YAHWEH? Or on other occasions, what about the vowels of Elohim inserted onto YHWH causing the name Yehovih, which Strong's Dictionary of Bible Words lists as #3069, and why? because it exists! What about the vowels of Eloah placed onto YHWH causing Yehowah to change to Yehovah, then change to Jehovah, and later attempt to change back to Yehovah. All this was done to remind the readers in the synagogues not to say the name of God, YAHAWAH. Why does Nehemia Gordon base his support of the name Yehovah solely upon Medieval sources of Scripture, and ignores the other names of Yahweh and Yehovih? All these hybrid (false names) originated in the same period of time (Middle Ages). Why are believers in Yehovah trying to disassociate the part of Ye-hovah, hovah in Hebrew means ruin, mischief, and calamity! Is that the God you worship? Jehovah according to meaning based on hovah as seen in Strong's #1942;#1943. In Exodus 3:13-15, Moses asked for God’s name. 13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH!” [“I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘YAH [IAM] has sent me to you.’ ” 15 Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’” YAH is “the name which is above every name”. The apostle Paul heard Christ’s name on the road to Damascus, which is why he said of the name of Christ, 9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him ‘the name which is above every name,’ 10 that at the name of YAH-SHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). God never revealed the name Jesus, which has existed since the 17th century. YAH is the only essential name of salvation for mankind, as the prophet Isaiah has revealed, Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). Christ told the people that He is YAH which means “I AM,” when He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).
@@S.R.M. did you know prior to this Jewish practice we have Historical and arqueological evidence points to a closer for that supports the form Jehovah more than it does for Yahweh. That is before these later Jewish scribes you reference from strongs and even before the Spanish Catholic priest that is reference to be the inventor of Jehovah. You find this with God’s Name found as “IAŌ”. We find this in Egyptian stones, we also find it by church fathers and we find it reference by the Greeks. ALL at different time frames all with the same exact phrase in different langue’s by different cultures at different times. And the surprising thing is that this supports: Jehovah. And there is no evidence that out of IA-Ō supports the rendering: Yahweh. Yahweh is the accepted academic form of Gods form but the one with the least evidence yet they try to say that this is what we find in Hebrew. Take time to study this and look at the latest evidence not the old literature on what some scholars considered. We don’t even get LORD/adonai from IAŌ. If you want the best available evidence we get: this^. Have a good blessed day!
@@InvestigadorTJ The name Jesus is from the 17th century, and as found in the 1611 KJV, it was Iesus (ee-sus), not Jesus (gee-sus), which indicates man-made changes in the one name, nor is there any other name, given under heaven by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12). The issue is the name is a revealed name from Heaven, and not to be subjected to the tongue of man or linguistic evolution. Egypt became a Greek-speaking land after the Greek invasion in BC 330. Greek does not support Jehovah, which is a concoction of the vowels of Eloah. YAH is found in Greek as IAO, but that only proves that Hebrew Yod and Hey with the Hebrew vowel gametz forming the sound of 'a' is YAH. Revelation is of the LORD and academics of man. Dear friend, I have looked at the evidence. You also have a blessed day!
NB! Please check the sub titles. There are many mistakes. - sun vs son. Changing the essence of the message. Also many crucial audio parts are muted. The message is excellent.
The words of Psalm 102:25, 26 apply to Jehovah God, but the apostle Paul quotes them with reference to Jesus Christ. This is because God’s only-begotten Son was God’s personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe. Paul contrasts the Son’s permanence with that of the physical creation, which God, if he so designed, could ‘wrap up just as a cloak’ and set aside.- Read Heb 1:1, 2, Colo 1:15,16, 1 Cori 8:5,6, Proverbs 8:22, 27-30. It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon.-Luke 11:31.
begotten =unique........... So " the Son of God personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe" comes from wich fairy tale book please??????????not from the bible that s for sure.......hebrews 1:10 " in the beginning Lord,You laid the foundations of the earth,and the heaveans are the work of Your hands...... wich is a repetition of esai45;18 and esai44;24 ........in hebrews 1:10 the one there THE LORD IS CHRIST.....i don t see one word in hebrews 1:10 that could lead me to think ,jesus is an agent employed at someting.....the verse clearly shows Christ is CREATOR............a creator is uncreated............... colossians 1:15 " ........all things have been created THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM................ do you see there one word that could lead to think he is not the Creator??????? prov8:22 has nothing to do with JESUS ......the Father created thing with the breath of His mouth psalms33:6_9 .........Jesus is the Word of GOD ,not the wisdom.............although Jesus is Wisdow,so is the Father......... and the chapters before proverbs 8 ,so prover 7,6,5,9 ,etc ,all talk about wisdom and strictly don t refer to Jesus....there is no reasons for prover 8:22 to refer to Jesus.........Wis dom there is a personification of quality and behaviour.........
@@KarineSmith-r6w Colossians 1:15 - does not say that Jesus is the Creator, it says that all things have been created *through* him, not that the created them. The Greek uses the passive verb form here. Check out an interlinear and you'll see. Hebrews 1:2 (ESV) says similar: _"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, _*_through whom also he created the world."_* It wouldn't make much sense for Hebrews 1:10 to contradict Hebrews 1:2. The Bible often shows things being actioned by someone else but the source being Jehovah so Jehovah can still be given the credit. For instance in Deuteronomy 32:12: _"The Lord alone led him"_ however Moses and an angel were used to lead Israel.
@@adrianwalker3607 the word "through". Found in the New World translation in both instances there don t existe un the original manuscripts, Never...... Thé bible stricly forbidds to add or take off anything from her word...its called exégète,totally forbidden : révélation 22:20. Hebrew 1:10 :in the beginning Lord,you laid the fondations of the earth,and the heavens are the work of your hands.....clearly says Christ IS creator.... You would have to demonstrate this verse IS not Christ called Lord there ,the all chapter IS about Christ....there ISn t one word in this verse that Can demonstrate Christ ain t the straight creator..... The name "Jehovah" IS totally unknown from biblical manuscripts,unknown to the apostles and unknown to Jésus......
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.” (Acts 1:8 NET)
You attempt to bypass Jesus but it wont work out for you in the end. Nobody comes to the Father except through him and contrary to what you said, there are indeed several verses identifying all three "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as fully God. Those who bypass Christ will be told in the end "depart from me i never knew you". JW's are in error and their doctrine is beyond false. At the end of the day its very simple. The only ones who end up falling for false teachings are those who dont truly know their bible. No true born again and spirit led believer will ever end up in a place that teaches unbiblical nonsense and twists the word of God like JW do and have done. If you are one, learn the history and realize how many of their prophecies failed utterly, which was the very reason couple decades ago that many left this cult
Watchtower used the Greber bible as source. The greber bible used a spirit medium to translate it. Literally inspired by demons. The JW bible is demon inspired
True and James White has not engage in refuting Greg Stafford’s latest JW books .. the last one he did was Greg’s 1st edition and didn’t go any further… I wonder why???????
I think we fail to realize that the offense of our sins is against THE VERY ONE WHO IS ETERNAL ,NO CREATED BEING NO FINITE CREATURE COULD EVER SATISFY THE OFFENCE CAUSED BY OUR SINS BECAUSE THEIR VERY EXSISTENCE DEPENDS ON HIM WHO IS SELF EXSISTENCENT TO BE SAVED FROM GODS WRATH I MUST BE SAVED BY GOD NO OTHER SAVIOUR WILL DO..
That's very creative - though completely made-up and quite pointless to say the least. That being said, the fact and conclusion is that the only begotten Son of GOD is/was perfectly suited to redeem mankind from the sin and death brought into the world by Adam. And moreso, that there really is no need to appeal to man-made ideas and beliefs in such cases, as the written truth is perfectly suitable.
@@patchooo84 you're using an English translation to determine how God's name was originally pronounced? Are you unwell? Those names aren't even pronounced like that either
@@joshuab2437 they used to pronounce God’s name Yi•ho•vah although Yah•hu•ah isn’t very different, and many people pronounce it differently. I believe that if our Creator was concerned about the exact pronunciation we would know. Yahhovah may be more accurate. I don’t know.
@@africanchristianuniversity785 Greetings! I'd like to see how YOU deal with the following questions. 1) If GOD the FATHER isn't the Eternal HOLY SPIRIT, then just What IS HE?? 2) If Jesus isn't THE HOLY SPIRIT-----Then HOW can he be GOD? 3) If Jesus is GOD.....Literally, then when did he BECOME GOD, in Your estimation. When he began the Ministry Set before him by GOD? When he was a 12 year old boy, learning the Word of his GOD and FATHER in the "TEMPLE," OR; Was he GOD.....Literally, Right out of the Womb? AND; WHY doesn't Jesus know the time of his OWN return? Do you Still hold to the same reply you gave to that Muslim panel, about a year ago? "Well, maybe GOD kept some things from Jesus...." Is that Still your answer? Thanks for your reply. Respectfully
Here is a question that JWs cannot answer: What objective evidence do JW's have that Jesus chose a Faithful and Discrete Slave in 1919? (Please give me objective evidence, not subjective.)
I said nothing harmful or disrespectful I was raised to study and I am also a scholar if people are not seeking truth from Scripture and commenting on their beliefs what good is the comment section people can disagree and still love and respect others beliefs. So in essence if I speak lies prove it because I to believed like most people here but found what I was taught was wrong so if I'm wrong prove it to me I've been proven wrong before that's why I believe now the way I believe. It is very serious to learn about god and each and everyone of us must get it right. So I will say sorry for hurting anyone's feelings because it was intended for people to study there Bibles, and not to just listen to everything people say is gospel.
It’s not a confusing thing, when talking about the partakers going up. There was a ‘question from readers’ in a Watchtower of 2007 which changed the concept of the anointed being complete in 1935. It changed that they did not know anymore. It’s not directly connected to 1914. So, from 2007, it’s open to increase the anointed number and it has been going up about a 1000 new partakers a year. Your information is mostly correct and very well told. I have studied the trinity far and wide, but as Bart Ehrman states in his books, the people of the time did not believe Jesus to be God and the people after Jesus death, could not understand who Jesus was en started building the theory of the Dual and later Trinitarian believe. Jesus told the knowledge would be known to the most basic of people. So both the trinity and the man made concepts that crept in the Jehovah’s Witness ideas are not from God in my opinion. Why would a jealous god ever ‘force’ people to believe in one entity, while he himself is not one, but multiple persons. That makes no sense at all to me.
Dude, you missed it. Read John 24. Jesus went through all the Old Testament and clearly explained that even Moses had written about Him. That is why Jesus told the Pharisees that if they believed in Moses's writings, they would believe in Him.
@@bitesizeenglish3716How is this a response to what I was saying? Certainly the septuagint is not talking about god coming to earth. They believed a messiah would come and stay here on earth. The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was this messiah. So Jesus was arguing that they should believe him to be that based on their scriptures. That has nothing to do with the argument of the trinity being true.
Bart Erhman’s theory about the divinity of Jesus evolving overtime after His death is not supported by the evidence. We have good reason to believe the creeds in Paul’s letters are from very close to the time of Jesus’ death (~40 AD) We have fragments of the gospel of John from around 100AD that match manuscripts that our Bible is based on. This means that John was widely circulated at that time and is full of assertions of Jesus’ divinity. Mark was even earlier and has Jesus attributing prophecies from Daniel to Himself and claiming that the Holy of Holies as His seat. Hebrews was likely written between 50 and 65 AD. It attributes OT passages about Yahweh to Jesus. It even says the Jesus is the author and perfector of our salvation, and He is superior to angels, prophets, and the Leviticus priesthood.
Very sad the Bible is not hard to understand with God's help, I hate to text but read your Bibles and don't go beyond what is written Trinity is not Scriptural, there is one god the father and his son Jesus Christ. Jesus never claimed to be God but the son of God. His Father gave him the right to be worship. Giving his son all things. Remember what Jesus said after the thousand years he would give the kingdom back to his father. And as far as the holy Spirit goes it says it's our helper and never says the holy Spirit is a god. The holy Spirit imparts power to us when we need it.
@@Musicnest.where in the Bible does it say Jesus will give up the kingdom after 1000 years? It says otherwise in Daniel 7 and Revelation 11. Then why does the author of Hebrews attribute the passage in psalm 102 about Yahweh to Jesus as explained why Dr. White? Stating your claim authoritatively without addressing the evidence that was presented is not a good way of convincing someone of anything. It just demonstrates that you didn’t pay attention to the person who presented the evidence. Keep in mind, Trinitarian believe the God-head are separate persons with the Father having authority over the Son. We believe that they share the same nature, before creation of the universe, will have everlasting dominion and we will serve/worship them forever. JW believes Jesus is created-that Jesus does not share a nature with the Father-like you would create a painting Trinitarians believe Jesus is begotten-like the way you would beget a baby. If you agree that the Father gave Jesus the right to be worshiped, you must either believe He is one with the Father or the Father is superseding the 1st commandment and Deut 6.
Our eyes are already open that is why we don’t believe in the likes of the Trinity which took 100’s of years to form after the last apostle to what we have today
Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil. A person is either a child of God or a child of the devil (1John 3:10). Most JWs will admit that they aren't born again (children of God), which means they are children of...?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Hahahahaha Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil. You need to take a good look in the mirror. You are by far the worst serpent I've had the displeasure of debating with
@@BasicBiblicalTruth So you want to give me another yes or no question I will give this closed question the same respect you gave my closed question. *That is without an answer either way* And you can take that as you wish
Who spoke from above when Christ was baptized. Who did he pray to in the garden before he was arrested? Who was he speaking to when he asked could the cup be removed? Was he talking to himself when he said, thy will shall be done. On his resurrection when Mary went to embrace him, what did he say? Did the early church get confused by the Muslim question "Do you have two gods, for we only have one? Then to add to the confusion there is mention of God the father Christ the son and the holy spirt which is three spiritual identities all rolled into one. Many Christens pray to the two and hang onto on the promise of the Son.
All jehovah witnesses, and all the other mislead people should read Galatians paul says anyone teaching a different gospel which is really no gospel at all, let them be eternally condemned, we should all pray for the jehovah witnesses that they will see the truth and come into the light ,which is are LORD JESUS CHRIST who is truly GOD not a god but GOD.
Trinity is a dogma, NOT a doctrine grounded in the Bible. Believe in Trinity doctrine render almost all verses in the Bible invalid. Matthew 4:1-10; Can Almighty God be TEMPTED? (Jesus was tempted) John 5:19; 6:38; Does God have a "will" that can be different from Jesus? Can God be commanded? John 12:49 ; (Jesus was commanded) Can same person be greater than himself? John 14:28; John 20:17; Revelation 3:2,12. Can Almighty God still have a God? Luke 6:12,13; 22:41-43; Can anyone strengthen God? 1 Corinthians 8:6; 11:3; Can God have a HEAD? 15:28. Will God handover to himself? Can there be a MEDIATOR between one person? 1 Timothy 2:5,6; Galatians 3:20. Hebrews 5:8; Can Almighty learn OBEDIENCE from sinful humans? Can you appear before yourself? Hebrews 9:24; Can you exalt God? Can you stand at your own right side? Acts 5:31; 7:55; Philippians 2:9-11; John 8:32 .. and the truth will set you free.
Where in Scripture does it say or Jesus say he's God the Bible says don't go beyond what is written. So if Jesus said he's God's son believe that if you study deep you will find that his father gave him all things even the right to be worshiped after all he saved us by his ransom and saved us from being destroyed by his father remember it says in John 3:16 that God so loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten son that who so ever believes in him may not perish but have everlasting life Jehovah truly is our Savior and how he done this is sending his son into this world Jesus is our Savior too because if he had not volunteered his life as a ransom we would all die in our sins
@@olusesanmoses413 well put Trinity in truly a false doctrine. Two thumbs up brother that was a great witness to all of these who put pagan costumes into Christianity. And if they all study more they will find how the false religions of our day put this false doctrine into modern day religion. Jesus is God's only begotten son and even said I'm the first of all creation. Once again that was a great witness the father and his son is very happy about you witnessing to all the real truth
@LTL307 loll...........hilarious............james white accept as a trinitarian all bible verses....not the case of unitarians and jws..........they only accept verses that suits their dogmas ,reject and fight the legitimacy of verses about Christ divinity...........
@@sylvie-j4i WE "Only use Scriptures that suit our Dogmas?" HA! Those Scriptures contain CLEAR CONTEXT, Not something WE simply Apply to them. Do YOU not, "Pick and Choose" Scripture?? I'd be Delighted to match you....Scripture for Scripture, with added COMMENTARY. I will not only Offer many Scriptures, I will add Commentary to YOUR Scriptures, my friend. And then I will challenge you to provide Convincing rebuttal of Both the Scriptures I offer, AND, the Commentary. Are you Game?? Respectfully.
I watched the debate several times and Dr. White cannot proved his stand about the Trinity because he cannot read in the Bible that Jesus says that he is God. What he presented is only his opinion and no bible verses.
@@vanvelasco8240 for a start Greg Stafford had ni scriptural stand for the debate with the "a god"... Thé bible teaches clearly: there are NO gods besides GOD......those called gods arent....deutero 32:39;psalms 115:4;isaiah 44,45,46,47,48,etc....following bible standards there are NO gods besides GOD,jws make Jésus bé a false god.
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus never claimed that he is God because he recognized his Father as the true God ( John 17:1-3). Also Jesus knows that the true God is a spirit with no flesh and bones ( John 4:24) and God never dies ( 1 Timothy 6:16) but Christ died although he was resurrected by God.
@@vanvelasco8240God The Father called the Son (Jesus Christ) God Hebrews 1:8 AND gave Jesus Christ all his God The Father’s Authority to Judge Completely mankind, causing Jesus to become God and Father first to the church Ephesians 1:22-23, 4:6, and, during the millennium, to all the world Daniel 7:13-14, Psalm 110:1 and 1st Corinthians 15:24-28.
I just want to point out a few corrections. First in our Bible it is Matthew😂 1:18-22, not Matthew 4:18-22. Also you just seemed to have just swapped a few words with Hebrew words, which really isn’t possible to do any sort of translation work doing this. And finally most english translations of the Bible say in the 21st verse … “and you shall call his name Jesus: which means ‘God with us’”. Now I would like to know your purpose for posting this scripture?
The trinitarians the manipulated the Bible forgot to change the words Father and Son, I challenge anyone to prove that the word Father means two people in one. In all three languages of the Bible, all the way to modern English it means one the begotten. Show me that it means different. Yeah
The HolySpirit is NOT a person?? 🤦♂️ BELIEVE on the LORD and be Saved!!! 😡 Resist the Devil and he MUST flee!!! PRAISE the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!!! Amen!!!
A trinitarian can't explain the relationship between Jesus and his father Jehovah thats why they say he has to be a Trinity, but if they studied their bibles more they would find the difference between God and Jesus Christ.
@@InvestigadorTJ Oh, so you are a spokesperson for trinitarians are you? Well ok, sure, we don't believe that Jesus was procreated in the same way as human sons are procreated any more than we believe that being born again means that we have to "enter a second time into out mother’s womb to be born”. What we believe is that the Father and Son relationship is eternal, just as Jesus' being High Priest of the new covenant is eternal - without beginning of days or end of life (Hebrews 7:3). You got a problem with that? Here is why we believe that the Father and Son relationship is eternal: "Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you *before the world began."* (John 17:5) Jesus was neither created nor "begotten" before the world began. Why? Because to say "before the world began" is equvalent to saying "before time began". Not only does secular science acknowledge that time is an integral part of creation, scripture also refers to eternity in that way (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2). Time cannot be separated from space and matter. They were all created simultaneously. Furthermore, Jesus could not possibly have been created because scripture makes it impossible. John 1:3 totally dismisses the idea: "Through him all things were made; without him *nothing was made that has been made."* Notice the unusual way that this verse is worded. It's almost as if John was trying to write a disclaimer. He could have said something very simple here such as "Jesus created all things", but he specifically points out that *_everything that has been made_* was made by Jesus. It's almost as if John knew in advance that people were going to twist scripture and try to contradict him. You also need to explain why there is no account of Jesus creation anywhere in scripture. Wouldn't we expect there to be one? Moses who God chose to write an account of creation doesn't mention one and neither does Paul nor anyone else.
I was a JW for over 20 years, and now a born again Christian. God is: Father, Son & Holy Spirit. You must remember that before he came to earth, his name was The Word, or Logos. In this sense, Jesus is the Son of God & God. He now has a human and divine nature. This is where you are getting confused.
@@FreedomAndJustice4All what’s also interesting is that most JW converts were Christian (Protestant, evangelical, or Catholic) and others were Muslim or another non-Christian religion.
Remember, the letter J was in no language until it came into existence in the 14th century. So there was no nobody calling Jesus Jesus in the Bible this was all put in later Bible translations.
I see you glow talking about other religions but I found your allegations entertaining and in many instances I found you contradicting not the J W but the Bible itself so that makes an apostle. I am not a J W but I know their teaching. Is there a group, organization or religion, if you will, that got something wrong? Not even the first religion. You claim to be a doctor, right? A Dr. on what? In theology? Go back and collect your money or start all over again. To be continued.
@@amithabjose1005 There are things the bible tells us, regardless of any particular denomination. That's the bible telling us what we need to know but when we go and argue the opposite just because this denomination cites those texts. We do not like that 'religion in particular' or some people feel they are, somehow, competitors we are not arguing against that group, organization, or religion but against the bible. By definition against God himself, sometimes.
@@TheCabin777 Actually, Isaiah 9:6 infers that Jesus would be called Mighty God: “El Gib-bohr,” (compare Jo 1:18 in a Greek Interlinear) not Almighty God: “El Shad-dai,” (Ex 6:3) And though the KJV says-“the mighty God,” Hebrew Interlinears show that the original manuscripts never said “the” mighty God. Too, we must remember that “God” is only a title, that’s why Satan is referred to as, “the god of this world,” at 2Cor 4:4.
@@tobeornottobe50 yes JESUS is the ALMIGHTY GOD, there is ONLY ONE GOD WHO is MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY, this is such a silly argument because BOTH JESUS and the FATHER are known as MIGHTY GOD and BOTH are also known as ALMIGHTY GOD in Scripture. Can you please tell me WHO is speaking in Isaiah 44-6 and goes on to say there is no other God but ME?
@@TheCabin777 Nah, that’s okay. I don’t mind leaving it at what you think and feel. Didn’t mean to get you all riled up. You enjoy your evening. Agapé my friend. ☺️
• In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: "The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate." - The Classical Journal, April-May 1974. page 376. • Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: "In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible. Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote: The NW (New World Translation) emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared." Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the… the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing." -The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52. Author Charles Francis Potter said: "The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen." --The Faiths Men Live By, page 300. Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences. Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating, "The translaton of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement (Jehovah's Witnesses) of scholars qualied to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation." -Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31. Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators "possessed an unusual competence in Greek." - Andover Newton Quarterly, September 1966, page 26.
olusesanmoses413 regardless of your quoted sources, a casual comparison of translations shows the inaccuracies of your sources quoted. Your appeal to authorities quoted has no bearing on the truth readily available in comparison.
@@leonardhunt7241 These are neutral and unbiased opinion, regardless of your colored comparison. Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: "In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible. Author Charles Francis Potter said: "The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen." --The Faiths Men Live By, page 300. Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has "independent readings of merit." -The Interpreter's Bible, Volume I, page 99.
@@olusesanmoses413 You can certainly say and assert that your professional quotes are unbiased and neutral. Regardless, anyone’s comparison of multiple Bible translations CLEARLY makes those quotes from you disqualified. I don’t apologize for showing this to you. It’s obvious to the abundance of information that is available to anyone today.
@@olusesanmoses413 *"These are neutral and unbiased opinion.."* Oh please! Don't make me laugh!! Unbiased? The Watchtowers is infamous for cherry-picking scholars to support the NWT and ignoring all the others that reject it, which is pathetic and hardly what I would call "unbiased"! Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein is a *Jewish unitarian* who received his PhD from Yale in 1969, but NOT in Hebrew. It should also be noted that he limits his comments to the *Hebrew* Bible. What the Watchtower fails to mention is that criticism of the New World Translation is particularly concentrated on Christological issues, NOT the Hebrew Bible! Charles Francis Potter was a *Unitarian* minister. He founded the First Humanist Society of New York and the Euthanasia Society of America. And he is supposed to be unbiased? And as for Professor Allen Wikgren, he does not go on to define which “independent readings” of the NWT he finds to be “of merit.” We do not know what Dr. Wikgren thought about the NWT’s more controversial renderings, such as John 1:1 or Colossians 1:16.
@@olusesanmoses413 *This was copy and pasted from the watchtower “Is the New World Translation Accurate?” ijwfq article 36.* I speak with witnesses quite often and you guys do this all the time. You never read any type of literature outside of the organization and just copy and paste partial quotes from your website. But here’s a question for you: *_Who decided which books would go in the Bible?_* Positive comments about the New World Translation from non-Witness scholars In a letter dated December 8, 1950, noted Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed wrote regarding the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify.” Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed Edgar J. Goodspeed Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has “independent readings of merit.”-The Interpreter’s Bible, Volume I, page 99. Commenting on the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, British Bible critic Alexander Thomson wrote: “The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing.”-The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52. Despite noting what he felt were a few unusual renderings, author Charles Francis Potter said: “The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, with scholarly ability and acumen.”-The Faiths Men Live By, page 300. Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences, Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating: “The translation of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement [Jehovah’s Witnesses] of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31. Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators “possessed an unusual competence in Greek.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, September 1966, page 26. In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: “The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.”-The Classical Journal, April-May 1974, page 376. Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: “In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.” Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote: “The NW [New World Translation] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the differences in the New World Translation are the result of religious bias on the part of its translators, BeDuhn stated: “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation of the original expressions of the New Testament writers.”-Truth in Translation, pages 163, 165.
So are you calling Jesus a LIAR........ The words of Jesus speaking to his disciples: ........ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14:28 SO who is the Father that is GREATER than Jesus.....???? Psalms 89:26, He himself calls out to me, 'You are my Father, My God and the Rock of my salvation. And Jesus also quoted the book of Isaiah saying he was their messiah, the fulfillment of God's prophecy. And Isaiah also said : And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father..........(Isaiah 64:8)
No one is calling Jesus a liar! You just ignore what all anti-trinitarians ignore - the fact that there was a context to Jesus earthly ministry. What you need to do is dig deeper into scripture because some of the evidence is not easy to see at first glance. That is why quoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them. Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it: Who, *being in very nature God,* did not consider *equality with God* something to be used to his own advantage; rather, *he made himself nothing* by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8) Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage". We also see that it is Jesus _himself_ who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - _volutarily._ So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, and his divine privileges to volutarily take on a lesser form? One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels. In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity. So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did _without_ making himself dependent on the Father?
@@geraldsutton9981 Jesus is also called "the rock", because he is God. The reply that came before mine is the truth. Better take it serious and study to show yourself approved. nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. Cannot bypass him. Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is given the titles "Almighty God and even Everlasting Father". Your new world translation is wrong in regards to John 1:1-3. The Word was not "a god", "he was God". And the Word "Jesus" became flesh and there are many reasons as to why Jesus lowered himself and prayed to the Father and said the "Father" is greater than him. All had to do with his earthly ministry and much more. Deep spiritual truth behind all that which many falsely take out of context using it to affirm their false beliefs. You simply cannot bypass Jesus. Not gonna work out for you. You will be told "Depart from me i never knew you" . Much love.
I do know that the world being is not a distinguishing pronoun as is father and son. These words, father and son are clearly used in the Bible for God and his son. As I mentioned both mean the same thing in all three biblical languages. Father is the creator of the son. Even in our days, they mean the same. Trinitarian grossly wrote the King James Bible. Verses were change, gladly not all were able to be changed. Example, Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, 1 Petter 1:3 and many more. Verses that have been changed can be corrected by the surrounding verses. Example Philippians 2:6,7 corrected by verse 5. All versus used by Trinitarian are versus that can be left up to the interpretation. However, versus that are the word of Jesus cannot be misinterpreted. As a trinitarian, you must know that this was only made up in the fourth century. This is proof that neither Jesus nor the apostles taught such a thing.
I combat JWs with the knowledge I have from being born into their cult. I knew as a small kid something was wrong with it. My father was an elder/circuit overseer, everyone knew him, even met Nathan Knorr as a kid at Bethel NY went to all those huge conventions at stadiums in the 60s-70s. I refused to get baptized I was done with it when I turned 18 and moved out. But I had every book the JWs put out as my father had a library full at home.
@nasticanasta You can not un-ring the bell of Truth. John 4:23 John! 17:3 John 3:16 John 20:17 1 Peter 1:3. 2 Peter 1:3 1 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ephesians 1:3 Any and All Bibles teach the same truth 1 Corinthians 3:23 1 Corinthians 11:3
@@patchooo84 It's funny how many of these verses contain the numbers 1 and 3. A subtle hint maybe? But seriously, which of these verses do you think disprove the trinity? Not one, not even John 17:3 does that. The problem of course is just that you simply do not understand the gospel in its entirety but prefer to pull verses out of context.
@@paulbrennan4163 it's your lack of knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures that allows you to get taken in by this Pagan concept of FALSE WORSHIP. ALSO YOUR LACK OF HONESTY WITH REGARD TO THE WORD LORD, LORD GOD, GOD each and all consistently " the Almighty " and or "the Father", "that God and Father of Jesus John 20:17 and the lessor "Lord" regarding God's Son. Jesus was Originally referred to as Lord ( head, Leader } of all God 's obedient Worshippers, directing and educating 'called and chosen' ones, Trinity is highly misleading. All being Co- existent, co-equal and co-eternal. The truth of the matter is to paganize our OT Almighty, Most high and Grand Creator. God needed to be diluted, demoted as it were. NEXT His 1st Creation, Jesus, His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, Had to be promoted to a new, higher position. This. Was an effort make Jesus equal to his once Almighty God and Father John 20:17 Next God's Holy Spirit needed to be personified by crafting a new, creative designation. The Holy Ghost rather than Holy Spirit or Ruah meaning breath, pressing wind or invisible force. These are all clever, misleading, unscriptural changes of OT and Christ 's teaching. Jesus, God's Son. God 's 1st and Only Son from his loins alone. Jesus was then blessed to be God 's Chief Agent, Co-creator, chosen savior of fallen mankind. Colossians 1:15, John 3:16, Revelation 3:14, John 6:57 Matthew 16: 16 & 17
I did answer. No im not accredited, and your Bible is fine with me. Yes I’m a Jehovah’s Witnesses. I made it clear that none of that matters in understanding the Bible.
"What people will do for a lie, we have trouble getting people to do for the truth, at all." That's somewhat misleading. The folks who are doing what they do "for a lie" *_don't think it's a lie._* If they knew what they were saying was untrue, I doubt we would see the same zeal from them.
@@tobeornottobe50 Thanks for taking the time to comment. I absolutely agree, but that's not my point. Dr. White's statement seems to assume that the witnesses know what they're preaching is a lie. I don't believe they do, and I also don't think he believes they do. I just think his statement was off-the-cuff and ill-considered. That's all.
According to the Gospel of Christ One’s salvation depends on: THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME Moses asked for God’s name, and God said, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH,” translated, I AM Who I AM (Exodus 3:13-15). I AM is YAH! So we say, “Halleluyah!” “Praise YAH!” YAH is “The name which is above every name!” The Prophet Isaiah spoke of YAH as the name of salvation, behold, “God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). {The name of Jesus has only existed since the 17th century, before that, the name Iesus, before that the Name Iesous, and that name is a transliteration of the name Yeshua.} The angel of the LORD did not reveal the names: Jesus, Iesus, or Iesous. The angel said, “And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21). The Messiah of Israel said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Christ told them that He is YAH, the God of Israel, The only Rock (Isaiah 44:8; 1 Corinthians 10:1-4). The apostle Peter testified to the name YAHSHUA, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). The apostle Paul on the Road to Damascus encountered Christ, “So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting” (Acts 26:15). Did the apostle Paul testify to hearing THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME? The apostle Paul acknowledged that he heard the name which is above every name {YAH}. Philippians 2:9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name {YAH}, 10 that at the name of YAHSHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.” To accept any other name other than YAHSHUA that was not revealed by God is to reject the name of salvation. And, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (John 3:18). YAH is the name which is above every name, Halleluyah, Praise YAH, Praise YAHSHUA! (www.nazareanministryofyahshua.com)
You really need to pay attention - when it says, above every name, it is obvious that this would not include the one who gave Him His name. That said, the ongoing issue with this, is that many people today simply cannot be bothered to investigate matters beyond that of proof-texts, and at the cost of the obvious truth.
Verbosity is indicating low I q. Exodus 3:14 original language " existing keeps on existing" kjv( nkjv not good translation). Jesus addresses the Sanhedrin with Exodus 3:14. For a reason!!!! Jews had no doubt what He was claiming. Btw.
@@smalltimer4370 Because the Father gave all things to the Son, YAHSHUA, this makes Him the Most High. I'm sorry you have such a limited understanding of this.
Truth is Simple if you read God's word like a child. A clear, fresh mind without preconceived ideas stamped upon the brain by sincere yet misled teachers. John 4:23 Is true worshipers worship The Father of Christ... What of everyone else? John 4:24 Jesus as a human said "God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship with spirit and Truth." At John 20:17 Jesus speaks uses the word My Father and ,My God... John 14: 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. So as Christians Jesus is the way to the Father .. The route not the destination. Like going to the Florida Keys The "Overseas Hwy" "Hwy 1" is the ONLY Way there. So when I reach the Overseas Hwy 1 Bridge should I park and celebrate and invite people to "come join me here at Key West?" No Key West is still far ahead. Overseas 1 is the way. The Only to Key West by road. It would be immature, premature, and show a lack of map knowledge and common sense. So the same if you Worship Jesus and advertise that he is a Christian's Ultimate, Final destination. He is the only way to his Father. Like Overseas Hwy 1 is the Only way to Key West. But you say: Well this is what my parents taught me and their parents taught them and 6 generations prior. They all called Manatee Cove Key West and invited guests and visitors from all over the World to joint them there. They all believed sincerely they had been to Key West. Then a small group of Christians decides to study the map more closely and the see the majority are misguided or lack the desire or skill to read the entire map for themselves. They see Key West is far from the preconceived location being pointed to by the majority of misled travelers. So they point out that yes Hwy 1south is the way.... But Manatee Cove is not Key West You must travel further. No matter what your parents and grand parents believed and told you. JWs follow the Only way to the Father. And Jesus is greatly glorified as the Only way to please and worship Jehovah Psalms 83:18 his God and Father 1 Peter 1:3 John 20:17 Revelation 3:12 Matthew 6: 9,10 7:21-24 John 17: 3 puts it simply Our everlasting life depends on knowing the only true God, the Father. And the one he sent forth to represent him Jesus Christ
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus is the Way to God. You better honor him. He is The Free Gift. From God John 3:16,17 To ignore Jesus you are probably a Jew. Their house is abandoned to themselves. They are on their own. We Accept Christ We , like Christ, Worship his God and Father John 20: 17 1 Peter 1:3, Colossians 1:3 1 Corinthians 11:3 Rev 3:12
User, when Patchoo says, "weak," it means he can't argue the point, so he just dismisses it. He does the same thing when I show him that the NT authors identify Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God by citing OT Jehovah passages and attributing them to him: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
There's a problem with the sentence "Jesus is not God." Many Protestants call Christ "the Son of God" because they should do that. But too often, they assume that "God" stands instead for God the Father. In fact, I've never heard a Protestant say "God the Son." Mr. White is an adopted son of God, not a natural one, since Our Lord is the Father's only natural one. So, distinctions are essential.
@ngounphearak6266 No human person is all-knowing. Christ is a divine person who adopted a human nature. So, the Nestorian heretics are wrong. Christ is only one person. There aren't two persons sharing his body. His body is part of his human nature. The other part is his human soul. Since his soul is human, he has a human intellect and a human will. He's one person with two natures. Catholics uses the Greek word "theotokos," which means "God bearer" and "mother of God. "hat's why a Protestant told me that if Mary was God's mother, she would be older than he. There are two problems with that opinion. First, the Protestant may have meant God the Father. But no Catholic believes that God the Father. Second, "Mother of God" is short for "Mother of God the Son" when Catholics say "Mother of God." Since Christ is God the Son, Mary is his mother. He grew in her womb and he got his human nature from her. If you say Marry is Jesus's mother and that Jesus is not divine, you imply Jesus and Christ were two people or that Mary's son was only human. If he were only human and if I worshiped him, I'd be an idolator.
If Jesus is the son of God and was 2:36 given a message by Gabriel to Mary that she will bare a son from God, that makes Jesus a God as well. Yes, God is the Almighty and Gods spirit lives in Jesus which makes him God he was sent by God to Marry and to fulfill our rightly soul is to act and be of Jesus. We need to believe in Jesus and to be with God we need to Love Jesus first. In the Bible to be with God is to first be with Jesus. You trust in Jesus who is God to be with the almighty God. You cannot have Gods love without the love you should have for Jesus. Jesus is the throne to God that sits next to God. Only Jesus can save you and us. Jesus is the light the Omega and the Alpha. He can only save you. Jesus is God.
That title got my attention and I believe in he's not God. He's a Mighty God just as Isaiah said he'd be and Jehovah is the Almighty God just like Exodus says he is. You people dont read your bible enough to know the difference between the two. Pity!!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Wrong again...........Everywhere you FIND LORD in NEW testament ,"Kyrio,Kyrios,Kupio" its ALWAYS ABOUT CHRIST AND ONLY CHRIST. You should know that the tetragrammaton is not present in new testament manuscripts at all,so the watchtower had no excuses to add ,when the bible forbidds to add or take off anything from the scripturesso the watchtower added an unknown name "jehova ";unknown from the manuscrripts ,from the apostles,unknown from jesusand inserted that fake name in the new testament with no reasons ,excusable reason.......... and since i repeat again ," er horkomenos " the one who was ,who is ,who is coming the GOD ALMIGHTY ,CAN ONLY APPLY TO JESUS .....so im afraid that the end of the road ........unless you can show "jehova" is coming back ,or the apostles claimed the name jehova as their GOD.......until then ,schuss .......
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Exodus 6:2-3 Yep. I got it. Pslm 68:4 (Jah) Pslm 83:18 (Jehovah). Now, JESUS Speaking, Rev 1:8 I am A n O says LORD (Kiryus in Greek) GOD. 1 Cor 12:3 NO MAN CAN SAY JESUS IS LORD apart from Spirit of God Romans 10:9 Confess LORD JESUS you shall be SAVED. 10:13 Jehovah?? Or JESUS? 3 in 1 in essence. Tri-Une GOD.
At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian. It was not so in the apostolic ages and sup-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings. "Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics". The formulation one God in three Persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." - New Catholic Encyclopedia. THE ante-Nicene Fathers were acknowledged to have been leading religious teachers in the early centuries after Christ's birth. What they taught is of interest. Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that Jesus was inferior to God and "never did anything except what the Creator .. willed him to do and say. "Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him. He showed that Jesus is not equal to the "One true and only God." who is "supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other." Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called God the uncreated and imperishable and only true God." He said that the Son is next to the only omnipotent Father" but not equal to him. Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed: "The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater, as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said: "There was a time when the Son was not.. Before all things, God was alone. Hippolytus, who died about 235 C.E., said that God is "the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all," who had nothing co-equal of equal age] with him But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before." such as the created prehuman Origen, who died about 250 C.E... said that 'the Father and Son are two substances two things as to their essence," and that "compared with the Father, [the Son] is a very small light." Summing up the historical evidence, Alvan Lamson says in The Church of the First Three Centuries: The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity .. derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: 'and this observation may be extenced to all the ante-Nicene Fathers that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birth of Christ..
You missed a few quotes: Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says, Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and *the ETERNAL high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ,* build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven *who will yet believe in OUR LORD AND GOD Jesus Christ* and in his Father who raised him from the dead. Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and *also a disciple of John the Apostle.* He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes, Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father *and of JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD;* even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy. Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life *THROUGH THE BLOOD OF GOD* you completed perfectly the task so natural to you. There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, *God in man,* true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord. For *OUR GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,* was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit. Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished *when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.* For *OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST* is more visible now that he is in the Father. *I glorify Jesus Christ, THE GOD WHO MADE YOU SO WISE,* for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: *the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered,* who for our sake endured in every way. Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century. And that Christ being Lord, *and GOD THE SON OF GOD,* and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said. Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that *CHRIST IS CALLED BOTH GOD AND LORD OF HOSTS.* Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as *DESERVING TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS GOD AND AS CHRIST.* The Father of the universe has *a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, IS EVEN GOD.* And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin.... For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that *He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.* Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis. He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body- *GOD PUT TO DEATH!* ... In order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened- *because THEY SLEW GOD,* who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
Continued... Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle. For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that *He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, AND LORD, AND KING ETERNAL, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth.* Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him. He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that *HE WAS VERY GOD,* from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons. *Christ Jesus [is] OUR LORD, AND GOD, and Savior, and King,* according to the will of the invisible Father. *Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the GOD OF THE LIVING,* who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers. Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and *His essence, that HE IS GOD* (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh. Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes, This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, *He alone being both, BOTH GOD AND MAN* -the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher *that AS GOD He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.* For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, *the Divine Word, He that is TRULY MOST MANIFEST DEITY, He that is made EQUAL TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE;* because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....
@@paulbrennan4163 The Bible sometimes uses such term to refer to might creatures: for example Psalm 8:5; 82:1-6; John 10:34,35 (JB) Satan was also called a god 2 Corinthians 4:4. Jesus certainly has a greater position far higher than humans, angels or even Satan. Since these are referred to as gods, Jesus can be and is "a god" (NOT Almighty God) Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1. The Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Filamyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean"the" God, this would then contradict the preceding clause," which says that the Word was WITH God. Notice, how older translations render this part of the verse: 1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation With a Corrected Text. 1864: "and a god was the word." The Emphatic Diagiott, interlinear reading, by Beniamin Wilson. 1928. "and the Word was a divine being." La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel. 1935: "and the Word was divine* The Bible An American Translation by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed. 1946 "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme 1950: "and the Word was a god". New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures Compare John 1:18 Trinity dogma/doctrine invalid almost all the Bible. God, Jesus, his Apostles and no Bible writer teach this dishonoring creed. Galatians 1:8 Revelation 22:18-20
@@olusesanmoses413 I don't base my theology on cherry picked quotes, cherry picked verses, cherry picked theologians, cherry picked translations or shallow arguments such as "the bible somtimes referrs to creatures" as gods. So why are you trying to waste my time with this? It doesn't prove anything.
So called biblical scholars don’t know that the words father and son have always meant the same. In any language these titles mean the same father is the creator of the son. In no language do they mean father is the same person as his son.
Yes they do believe they are the same person. Over the years they have discovered they were wrong. To not admit it they have e come up with different versions.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm No. They do not. Even the oldest Trinitarian creeds are clear on this. I am a Trinitarian. We DO NOT believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are the same PERSON. Rather, they are the same BEING. And those words have two, distinct meanings.
@larysnw418 I mean that, since in order to effectively witness to people that already believe that they are christian, you need to convince them that they aren't really christian; and was wondering if anyone had any specific ideas related to witnessing to these two sects. I know that they're similar, ghats why I grouped them together.
@@carlosa4852 There is a difference between Christian denominations disagreeing on debatable issues and dangerous cults teaching heresies that attack the core tenets of Christianity, so from that perspective your analogy fails. The apostle Paul made it perfectly clear that anyone who teaches a different gospel than the one he taught is accursed. That would especially be the case if it turned out that they are also proven false prophets.
@larysnw418 Larry, that's _not_ what the Bible teaches. If you believe that Ecclesiastes is what God is teaching us to believe then everything is meaningless, and we basically have the same fate as a garden snail. There is a context to Ecclesaiastes. It is written from the hopeless perspective of life without God. That is why it says that everything is meaningless "under the sun" - or in other words on the earth. Surely you don't believe this too: "All share a common destiny - the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean" (Ecclesiastes 9:2). That contradicts everything the gospel teaches! Furthermore, I have disproven Watchtower theology _countless_ times. It's not that it is difficult to do. It is getting them to listen that is difficult. For example, let me ask you a question that I have asked _countless_ JWs. The vast majority of them do not answer it because it disproves their theology, but they ignore it rather than admit what it says. Here is the question: In the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:* "For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9) Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?* "For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
@larysnw418 Larry, if you think that the Book of Ecclesaistes is what God is teaching us to believe then you would have to conclude that everything is meaningless, and that we basically have the same fate as a garden snail! (Ecclesiastes 3:19) When scripture repeats something then you can be sure that God wants us to understand something. The phrase "under the sun" appears no less than 27 times throughout that book! THAT is what defines it's context. The book of Ecclesiastes is written from the hopeless, disillusioned perspective of life "under the sun". What happens above the sun is not included in the equation, which is why the author says that - "everything is meaningless"! God uses this book to help us understand how meaningless life on earth is without him. Otherwise, do you really think that _THIS_ is what he wants us to believe: "All share a common destiny - the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean" (Ecclesiastes 9:2) You need to read the old testament in the light of the new, not the other way around: "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger." (Romans 2:7-8) If we only take our physical life into consideration what the author of Ecclesaistes says is absolutely true - the fate of one person is the same as the next. And when we die, the rewards that we experience during our physical lifetimes are no longer available to us. The knowledge of what happens "under the sun" is gone. You should be listening to Jesus, not the Watchtower. Here is what Jesus says: "But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ *He is not the God of the dead, but of the living,* for to him all are alive.” (Luke 20:37-30)
Jesus is God, He is the only King of heaven. Jesus is God because He HAD BEEN the almighty God. God was able to do all his work in the past, before the world began ("the world has not known you"). His power was no necessary any longer so He dismissed it in order to become like a normal man : the Son of God. Thus, the Son is alone in heaven, He sits next to the POWER of God.
@@Musicnest. Jesus sits next to the POWER (of God). The POWER is a THING. "ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the RIGHT HAND OF POWER and appearing in the clouds of heaven." "When THE SON OF MAN comes with HIS HOLY ANGELS [I.e. the Father is missing], He shall sit upon the throne of His glory. Before Him (not before Son and Father)..." In other words Jesus is the ONLY KING of heaven, alone.
1. "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23). 2. "The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.' "Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383). ...The Trinity is a Pagan teaching.
The Word of God trumps the words of men. The Trinity is clearly displayed in Scripture and that is the only opinion that matters. If pagan religions had any belief in a triune god then that just proves the concept that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible and the Bible is very clear Jesus was created and has a God. Trinitarians are Pagans, not Christians.@@emjay_mcri
You can interpret verses any way you want. I’m sticking to what Jesus said, no need for interpretation if you believe him. That’s the problem with this trinity, everyone is trying to to unlock a mystery that is not there. Jesus tels you what he is.
What happened to the other thread? It seems that it has disappared. Please let me respond here: How much you study has nothing to do with whether nor not you understand scripture, which you can only do if you are born again. So instead of boasting about human effort, how about you tell me whether or not you are born again. And all I did was ask you the following question - a question that you did not answer: In the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:* "For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9) Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?* "For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
"They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because *you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”* (Luke 19:44) Who, according to Jesus, came to the Jews?
I’ve been a JW for 63 years now. I certainly hope you don’t plan to send your listener or students out with the incorrect information you gave them. I would feel sorry to have break their spirits because of you. Of course you probably by long gone with you money.
The only thing that is wrong is that you guys changed it . Up to December 2023 everything was accurate. The only change was that now you can be an ex JW after Armageddon and still be alive.
Myhusband hadbeen brianwashed he didnot give any thought tome or our family ,took his life over weall suffered no one cared jw told him to put God first it broken my heart and messed my6lovelychild in there life,
@@GloriaLawrence-vu7cz how did you suffer? Jw husbands are the kindest and most loyal of all faiths because they have to live there life according to Jesus examples as set forth in the scriptures
Talk about twisting the scriptures. My friend if you think Jesus to be God, then I have a question for you : If Jesus is God then WHO was he praying to ? ......If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is ! Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD! The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father! SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven: "The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version So, please read Rev 1:1 which says: "a revelation from Jesus which GOD GAVE HIM" So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ? Please give us the answer to this ???
They can't answer that Stroud, well they could and they know what his name is, they just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit in their doctrine. The don't get that the Hebrews all along had One God. Jehovah. And they're trying to disregard it just as the copists that removed God's name from the Bible and replaced it with LORD. And today these people think that, that LORD of the old testament is the same Lord in the new testament. They are a joke Stroud.
@janetfowell5166 No mame' Janet that Mighty God is Jesus. I don't know what Bible you use but look in an old King James Bible at Exodus 6:3 and see who the Almighty God is. There is a difference between Almighty and Mighty. Almighty means absolute power and no equal. Mighty means powerful and strong. Jesus is the Mighty God. Read that scripture at Isaiah 10:21 and then look at Luke 1:32, 33 those two scriptures from the old testament and the new line up perfectly with who they're talking about. Jehovah or Yahweh God is Almighty Janet, Jesus is a Mighty God. And Isaiah said so. That scripture at 10:21 is Jesus. I hear people ask this question all the time, Is Jesus in the old testament. The answer is Yes he is, he's all over the old testament but people chose not to accept who and what he was at that time. That's on them. The proof is there they just chose to ignore it.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk “Isaiah 44-24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” Notice the Lord didn’t have a little god Jesus as a helper. He was ALONE by himself. John 1-3 All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made. Col 1-16 All things were created by him and for him.
Great explanation about Trinity but remember it is not Jehovah or Yahwe but a reflection of Elohim you see in Genesis 1/2 and 3 when they were creating humankind( man) in his image - male and female.
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Jesus is not God? Uh, no, he isn't. Instead, Jesus is the Son of God who was sent into the world BY God. As Jesus himself said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:16, 17) 1 John 4:9 adds: "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." So, who was it that came into the world? Was it God himself? Or did God send someone else, namely, his Son, Jesus? The answer should be obvious.
@@amithabjose1005 "Seriously john 1:1 who is god." Seriously, according to your version of John 1:1, if Jesus is God, who was _with_ God? Was he with himself? BTW, did you bother to read my first post?
@@robertmardis2110 "It's apparent by your questions you didn't listen at all....he did say the trinity was modalism!" I never said anything about modalism. In case you can't read, the name of the bald guy's video is, "Is Jesus God"? Well, in his mind, Jesus is one God and that he is a part of another God who is triune? So, do you believe in two Gods, namely, a oneperson deity and a three-person deity? Or. do you believe in the Father, who Jesus said is "the only true God"? (John 17:3) Oh, and stop presuming I didn't see the video because I did. If you had really read my post, you would know that I watched the video that just happened to be full of lies.
Lol be careful because I found here that if you hurt there feeling they will not let you comment one thing I can honestly say you being a JW is I could have a conversation with you and disagree and walk away still loving you. But they don't want to hear the truth here. If they truly done there home work they would find how the false Trinity doctrine came to be it being truly a false God doctrine adopted in most religions today hum maybe that's what God ment when he said many are called but few are chosen do to the fact that most people lean on men to teach them instead of studying Scripture. True there is one god Jehovah and one son who he had begotten Jesus Christ.
@@paulbrennan4163John the 14th chapter is a great place to start Jesus said what the father has given him, you are one like the father and I are one, the father is greater than I am, what the father has commanded me to do, need to go on there are many scriptures that proves the Trinity doctrine to be false I just don't have time here to prove my whole point or Id be writing the Bible all over again here. But want to debate I will I love the Lord Jehovah and his most precious son Jesus Christ so let's see if there is away to discuss it. I know my Bible very well and I'll let the Bible speak for it's self. I know you believe in the Trinity but I love you enough to teach you the truth on this matter because at one time I could have believed it.
@@Musicnest. No, it's not the publishers of this video who are deleting comments, it is UA-cam. This is happening _everywhere._ It seems that they have changed some algorithm so that it has become a little over-sensitive... to say the least! OK, I'm going to address your comments in a few hours if I have time, because it is almost 1 a.m. where I am. Catch you later!
@@paulbrennan4163 ok have a great night be safe by the way your the same age as I am oh lol better not say I am here they might think we're a Trinity. I was born 10/28/1960
You know many people don't even realize or notice that Jesus was called mighty god not Almighty. Jehovah god is the Almighty god the father is noted as being the almighty god if one studies they will find out why his father aloud him to be called mighty god, heres a clue he died for our sins.
@@Musicnest. Yes, he sent his Son. So in the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:* "For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9) Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?* "For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
In a post Christian world it is now hard to distinguish any true religion or Cult ?...I say Christianity itself has become sort of like a tower a Babel itself with confusing dogmas and confusing biblical interpretation.
Fall in eternity will not happen as We have cleansed our sinful body And Jehovah is with the nations forever after Satan has been abyssed forever , the earth has been cleansed and I don’t think anyone will want to return to the erroneous times of today
Yahusha's Name was altered to become IESU, then ISA for Arabs. The Name Yahusha was replaced by the corruption IESU placed into the Latin Vulgate in the 5th century CE. Eventually the corrupted form, IESU, evolved to become JESUS in the 17th century CE for English readers. The lastest form was never seen until the later 17th century. The world has accepted this form, but the Eberith Name of the Mashiak is still YAHUSHA, meaning "I am your Deliverer." JESUS has no meaning in any language on Earth, but came about by the philosophies of men. H3091 YAHUSHA (correct transliteration) H3068 YAHUAH (correct transliteration) This became JEHOVAH due to 8th century CE vowel distortions. H3444 YESHUA (incorrect word for the Name, but a common word meaning "deliverance.")
No, I’m referring to John 20:11 where in in his own words he said “my father, my God”. This is not trinity, it’s from the mouth of one of the so called trios. In no place did Jesus give an idea that he was the father nor even equal to the father. Many like to bring up the Greek language in some of the verses used for the trinity. However, many forget that also in Greek the words father and son have the same meaning as English. Father is always the greater, or makes be the Son. in non of the three biblical languages does father and son identify the same person. Also, it really surprises me that although its common knowledge the trinity was only made up in the fourth century, people stick to it as if it was a teaching of Jesus and Apostles. The greater part of Christianity has to admit they have been wrong and move on.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Scripture itself explains why Jesus _had_ to have a God: "For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, *in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest **_IN SERVICE TO GOD,_* and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people." (Hebrews 2:17) How could Jesus possibly be high priest "in service to God" unless he had a God to serve? And he did this not because he was not God himself, but in order to fulfill the legal requirements he needed to satisfy in order to be mediator between man and God. And as for the Father being greater I posted this in another thread that you started, so either you missed it or chose to ignore it. Here it is again: Guoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them. Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it: Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death- even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8) Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage". We also see that it is Jesus himself who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - voluntarily. So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, his divine privileges and volutarily take on a lesser form? One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels. In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity. So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did without making himself dependent on the Father?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Now you tried to "refute" Philippians 2:6-8 by appealing to other translations - a common trick pulled by Jehovah's wittnesses - but you failed to prove that the translation used was incorrect. That is why I asked you that following questions that you also ignored: 1. Are you an accredited Biblical scholar who has the competance to prove your claim that the translation I used is wrong? 2. Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Why did you ignore them?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm I never said you did. But _you_ were the one who threw in the argument that there are other translations of the verse I quoted. So please explain this. Why is it you, as a Jehovah's Witness, appeal to other translations and yet ignore them when it suits you. Take John 1:1 for example. How many other translations render this verse as saying "a god"? Here you _totally_ ignore other translations and yet when it suits you you try to muddy the stream with arguments that you don't even master yourself.
John3:5- * "l am telling you the truth,"replied Jesus."that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.Amen*.John14:6-Jesus answered him,"l am the way ,the truth, and the life,* no one goes to the Father except by me.Amen. *
Amen no one goes to the father but through him. He is the channel between God and men a mediator between God and men Jesus Christ so how can anyone say he is God there is only one god the father in whom all things are and to his Christ. It is also mentioned that we belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God so how could he be God. Truly he is God's son I liked how you put it great job
He is referring to verse 19. In Isaiah YHWH is speaking prophetically: “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, *so that you may know and believe me* *and understand that I am he."* (Isaiah 43:10) And here is what Jesus says in John 13: "I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen *you will believe that I am he."* (John 13:19) I'm not sure what your position is, but if you want I can expland on this even more and prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that both Jesus and the Father go by the name YHWH. There are a couple of things that Jesus says repeatedly throughout the gospel that everyone misses that have to do with his true identity and when and how his identity was to be revealed.
Jesus was actually ACCUSED of "making himself God" by the Jews! How did he reply? did he say "Yes of course I am!" Just read what HE HIMSELF SAID about himself "I AM TH SON OF GOD". Read John 10:33-36. Then in Gethsemene. He told Mary "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" ( John 20:17). The bible is clear JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT THE SON OF GOD! To clinch it, what did he say on the cross? "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast though forsaken me?" Dont believe mens view of Jesus!
Unitarians attempt to use Jesus’ words in John 10:34-38 to claim that Jesus was correcting the Jew’s misconception that he was claiming to be God. This is a monumental failure to comprehend the text. The Jewish leaders asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Christ (or “Messiah”). The Jews had a misconception about what the Messiah would be and “most were eagerly awaiting a political messiah who would overthrow the harsh Roman rule,”(1) so Jesus couldn’t give a simple yes/no answer. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God who was doing the work of his Father. Yes, Jesus’s claim to be one with the Father was a claim of ontological identity with the Father.(2) The “Father and Son are indistinguishable in purpose and nature but distinguishable in person. As in 8:58, Jesus’ claim here forms a climax to a discourse and prompts an attempt to stone him to death.”(3) The Jews called God their Father (Joh 8:41) but they recognized that Jesus was claiming a unique status when he claimed that he and the Father were one (10:30). They rightly understood that Jesus claimed to be God but misunderstood the claim as a breach of monotheism. Remember the context of the passage, this is the feast of dedication. The Seleusian ruler Antiochus IV claimed to be God, stopped Jewish worship in the temple and sacrificed a pig to Zeus-which led to the Maccabbean revolt, and eventually the reclaiming and rededication of the temple (of which this feast in John 10 commemorates). However, unlike Antiochus, “Jesus’ claim did not imply that he was a second God alongside, and in addition to, God the Father (ditheism), but that his deity was to be accommodated within the framework of Jewish monotheism in such a way that the one and only God affirmed in the Shema could be subsumed under the notion of Father, Son, and Spirit-three in one-being God.”(4) When Jesus was about to be stoned, he asked them for their judgment. They responded by saying that Jesus, a man, was making himself God (10:33). The irony is that John’s reader knows something these characters don’t-Jesus _is_ God (Joh 1:1, 18). “Jesus is ‘not a human making himself God, but God already made human,’ as the reader knows from 1:14.”(5) Now, Jesus employs a rabbinical argument of lesser to the greater. If people could be called “gods” (θεοί) because God had placed them in roles of authority (Psa 82, Exo 7:1), if lessor mediators could be called “gods,” how could “they accuse him-the One and Only Son sent by the Father-of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God?”(6) Jesus pointed out that his works confirmed his identity. Jesus’ statement is not a claim that everyone can be called “god,” but that the scriptures supported those whom God had placed in the role of God, ie. designated roles of authority, to be called “god.” Nor is Jesus’ statement a denial that he is God, but that he is justified to be called the “Son of God” because of his ontological identity with the Father (10:30; which falls under the framework of monotheism) which his works bear testimony to. Jesus is saying, if lessor people can be called “god” (a greater title than “Son of God”) because of the position of authority they have been given, you can't object to me claiming to be the Son of God, which is not a title that makes me a second god in addition to God, but though it identifies me as Yahweh, it conforms to our sense of monotheism. If you don't believe that I'm the second person of Yahweh, look at my works, they confirm who I claim to be. (1) Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus, 2nd Edition : A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020), 175. (2) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, Feast of Dedication. (3) Harris, John, Feast of Dedication. (4) Andreas J. Köstenberger, A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters : The Word, the Christ, the Son of God (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2009), ePub, Jewish Monotheism. (5) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 827. (6) Strauss, Four Portraits, 263.
First question, no I am not an accredited Biblical Scholar. However, neither were Jesus nor his apostles, yet they took on the educated of that time. Do I deed to prove your translation is incorrect? No. Your Bible is perfectly fine, if you know how to use it. Second question. Does it matter if I’m a Jehovah’s Witness? The Bible is the Bible no mater what denomination you or I belong to.
What matters is whether or not you turn to Christ in order to understand the truth, and that is where the problem starts with you being a Jehovah's witness. You are taught that you need the Watchtower organization in order to interpret scripture. There is nothing in scripture that supports such a claim. You are also taught that you are not born again unless you are one of the 144,000 - something that _no_ translation anywhere says. And why is that a problem? Well firstly Paul tells us that the Gospel is veiled to those you are PERISHING: "And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing." Do you want to perish? If not then you need to put your faith in the following which speaks about the blindness of the Jews: "But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because *ONLY IN CHRIST IS IT TAKEN AWAY."* So let me ask you: Have you even turned to Christ and prayed to him? I doubt that you have because you have been taught that only the Father is God and so you should not pray to Jesus, right? I'm sorry to say this but what the watchtower teaches is diabolical.
you are contradicting your own doctrine,your doctrine is the holy spirit is not a person" while your teaching is the holy spirit is third person of god " trinitarian monotheism" now you are telling that the holy spirit is not god but a force
Oh oh Matthew 16:15 & 16 So who is The Living God Peter Spoke of? Whoever he is, he is the Father and God of Jesus John 3:16 John 20:17 Exodus 3:15 Psalm 83:18 Revelation 3:12 1 Peter 1:3 John 4:23 John 17:3 Matthew 7:21-24 Pray for Holy Spirit. Be Meek. Prob 3:5&6
Also John 20:21...just as my Father sent me, I am sending you.. John 14:6 no one comes to the Father except through me John 13:1 Jesus knew his hour would come that he should depart out of this world, unto the Father John 12: 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say and what I speak Just to name a few....clearly this man is anti reason
The problem in talking to the Jehovah Witnesses about trinity is that both the witnesses and the Christian talking to the witnesses are not knowledgeable about this topic. Why not talk to them about their false beliefs or prophecy’s. Most of them have no clue that this existed. The Watchtower erased this history from their library, the second generation teaching is also a point that no JW can explain to you because it’s something the Watchtower made up and does not exist in the Bible. The Bible clearly states that if a Prophet speaks about a year that the world would end in the name of God and it does not happen that person or Organization is a false prophet , they have done this 6 times. After you lay this fact they can not dispute it. In other words go after the history of their organization and you can easily destroy them .
@@jahtruthdefenderHe pointed out that the JW Leadership gave public false revelation many times along with a bad translation = all of this should be set aside. It’s a bummer that Protestant and Catholic orgs follow the Catholic/Demonic Trinity doctrine. God (YHWH) gave us the Shema prayer and Christ repeated the Shema as the highest command from God. Men should not divide what God says is one (unity in Greek).
@@soundlycreative Sorry I missed who pointed it out and what that is? Because neither James or George has answered my question.. Totally agree on the "Shema Yisrael"
So, that would be your goal in witnessing to them? To “destroy” them? Don’t you think that’s a little hateful? Whatever happened to that “love your enemies” business? You pseudo-Christians are something else. But Jesus knows your hearts!
I acknowledge that the witness really believe that they have the truth and I love them all very much I was one till I started studying my Bible and found that they are brained washed by intelligent reasoning but many witnesses who read their Bible are sincere and I too was one and it was hard by my reading of scriptures that I was taught wrongly. Like the sheep who are not of this fold or as they say the great crowd when you study you find that the other sheep were brought in to the fold by every nation and tongue.
Mathew 10:33/ Luke 12:9, he has denied Christ, just as copeland and the prosperity wolfpack has, compare Trumps walk in Christ compared to copelands/osteen/meyers/moore/furtick/jakes, who is actually a real believer according to scripture Mathew 10:22
Whoever wrote the book of Hebrews interjected But to the Son he said: the remaining two verses is taken directly from Psalm 45:6-7 word for word. Colossians 1:14-15 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first BORN of creation. Rev. 3:14 These things says the Amen the faithful and true witness, the “beginning of the CREATION of God”. Paul admonishes us to study (not merely read) the Bible to be approved of God. I am NOT a JW
Col 1:15-16 shows that Jesus is preeminent OVER all creation BECAUSE he created all things. Rev 3:14 shows that he is the RULER of God's creation (NIV). And what is Heb 1:10-12 a citation of? In the OT citation, who is being addressed?
Very well said but it's so sad they have eyes but they do not see ears but they do not hear. I'm not a JW either and we both know the Trinity doctrine is false I applaud you for telling the truth on this subject because God is picking people not religion or man made doctrines good job .😂😂😂😂😂
@@kevinfromcanada4379 our mediator and savior sent by his Father Jehovah. I'm Not a JW but they know that Jehovah God is not Jesus. In the old Testament God spoke about his son and he would be prince of peace. The old testament declared the coming of Gods son. If you look at PS the 2 chapter it tells you how God,his father had begotten him and commanded even the angels to worship him. The Father was well pleased with his son there by giving him all things even all judgment was in his power. The trinitarian doctrine for those who try to prove Jesus is God is when he said before Abraham I am but all the angels could say that since they to were before Abraham. Before my son I am but my son is not me but he is a spitting image even acts like me but we are different just like Yah and Jesus. A son by procreation is not greater than his father. In Revelation Jesus spoke about being the first of all creation. He also said that his disciples would be granted to sit down on his throne like his father let him sit down by him
Jesus did say in scripture to keep on the watch and that is just what the witnesses are doing and helping others observe scripture also , Jws are the light that gets brighter , ready to make the necessary adjustments as new light becomes apparent.
So you say God says X and then you say God says X is not true and you call that new light? Then you say God now says X is true again. Your god can't make his mind up. The one true God isn't like that. How do you explain false prophecies? What should we do with false prophets?
His name (Jehovah) in Hebrew comes from a verb that means, “He Causes to Become.” As the Creator of all things, he not only “caused” the physical universe and intelligent beings to exist, but he continues to cause his will and purpose to be realized. His name reveals an aspect of his personality, showing that he “becomes” whatever is needed in any circumstance to fulfill his purpose.
This is mind blowing 🤯 for me! Very insightful and appreciated the way he explains the scriptures with the context. My in-laws have been stuck in this cult for over 50 years, I pray for them everyday.
My sis got in at 19, died at 73 in it.
A lot of people become Jehovah's Witnesses because they feel they are part of a ready made family. Everyone is friendly with you and you go to their homes and they come to you. They show a lot of love to all, as they do not become friendly with people outside of the religion. Lonely people will often join them because of this.
This is the very thing that Jesus Christ asked us to do and that is as a Christian to love one another and it's not "just" lonely people, all people are welcome to worship God with them
@meerutpat 760 because witnesses on average every day of the year. In Italy the center of Catholicism JWs are growing so fast the church is UP IN ARMS. So many Catholics are leaving the church and studying the Bibl then getting baptized as JWs just like Jesus did.
@@patchooo84 that is because people are starting to see that world religion is not teaching correct bible Scripture , like me for years I accepted what I was told about the scriptures but as soon as I started to really study the bible I could see so many lies that the church was telling people, some"people" feel sorry and say I have been blinded, but I say back, this is the first time I've seen things clearly, I love Jehovah for the compassionate and loving God that he is I also adore Jesus for the fine example he left us to follow, he gave his perfect human life so we all will have a chance of everlasting life on a clean earth no more death war sickness poverty the list goes on and this is on earth not in heaven as I was lead to believe there is still time but as it says in the scripture as it was in the days of Noah people will be eating drinking marrying etc ...and then the end will come,if I'm wrong I've lost nothing but what I've gained is a decent life not filled with the stinking mess that Satan has conned billions into believing,
@@pamelasloan1664 Pamela, I have seen plenty of Christian churches where love abounds. Does that mean that their theology is correct? Not according to your religious beliefs. And all cults say what you are saying. They are quick to declare how much they love each other, but just as quick to demonize all others.
You claim that "satan" has conned us. You base that on the fact that you say you have "studied the Bible", but the fact of the matter is that according to Watchtower theology you ARE blind. You are not born again. That means that you cannot see the kingdom of God. So how do you know that you have understood the scriptures you have read?
What if I was to show you a scripture that disagrees with what the Watchtower teaches. Which would you choose? What the Watchtower teaches, or scripture?
@@paulbrennan4163 bring it on
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6, ESV)
Thank you, Mr. White and all. Very very good teaching so informative so helpful.
First let's examine God's word first All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
There's moments when the volume is mute. Please see if you can fix this. Unless you were intentionally mute certain parts.
As a person having been raised in the JWs, I find it hilarious just the thought of "witnessing to a Witness" 😂 It´s turning the tables on them, ha ha. All those years walking door to door with my mom, I never experienced anyone doing that, I would have loved to see it, she would have been completely floored 😅😅
@@pigdestr0yer1973 was your mother a good and loving mother ?
@@pamelasloan1664 She was good in some ways, pretty bad in other ways. Why?
@@pigdestr0yer1973 just wondering i guess, I had a JW mum she was a little strict but she was a loving mother who couldn't do enough for us, Dad wasn't a witness but he was the opposite I can say that My father could have learnt to be a better person if he had taken the same faith as my mum
The two texts I use with JWs are Jeremiah 17:10 and Revelation 2:23 which show Jesus is Jehovah (Yahweh)
I often see people who try to find similarities in what Jesus and Jehovah did or do, and the remarking that this means that they are the same being but this is just not the case!!
@robertzanol6963 "You, O king, (Nebuchadnezzar) are the king of kings," Dan 2:37
"And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.” Rev 19:16
Do you use these verses to prove Jesus is Nebuchadnezzar?
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@@TheCaledonianBoy context: king of kings is not the same as King of Kings and Lord of Lords
@@robertzanol6963 You are right to say "context". We can see why Daniel would call Nebuchadnezzar "king of kings". (or the Persian king Artaxerxes also").
He was a king who ruled over many kings.
Compared to Jesus as the "King of kings" these earthly kings were nothing.
"“I the Lord search the mind
and try the heart,
to give every man according to his ways,
according to the fruit of his doings.” Jer 17:10
"And all the churches shall know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you as your works deserve." Rev 2:23
Simply because Jehovah and Jesus can do the same thing with regard to searching hearts and minds does not mean Jesus must be Jehovah.
Clearly Jehovah, as Almighty God, looking into hearts and minds is something He could easily do.
As Jehovah, the Father has given Jesus all authority in heaven and earth,
Also at John 5:26 "For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself, 27 and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man."
The Father gave Jesus the authority to "execute judgment". The ability to see what is into hearts and minds must go along with this given power to judge.
Jesus healed and raised the dead. The disciples healed and raised the dead.
What does that tell you.
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Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is "Mighty God" not "A Mighty God" He is also the "Everlasting (Eternal) Father" in the same verse. And Deut 10:17 says LORD (YHWH/Yahweh or the latinization Yehowa/Jehovah) is the "Mighty God" who does not show partiality.
'Mighty God' is not 'Almighty God'. Are you saying Jesus is the Father?
@@shylahtaeroni5454 Nope. I'm saying Mighty God is not "A" Mighty God and Both Jesus and YHWH are referred to as Mighty God.
@@chilidog73 Yahweh is not referred to as 'Mighty God' in Duet 10:17, he is described as great, mighty, and awe-inspiring.
There is a verse is Isa.. that YHWH is called Mighty God. Yes Jesus is called mighty god too.. If we consider these points we find the following:
1st set of descriptions:
-Jesus mighty god
-YHWH might god
2nd set of descriptions:
-YHWH Almighty God
-Almighty God, doesn’t exist of Jesus
Even if Jesus is described as mighty we don’t find the application of those titles that are exclusive to Jehovah ALL applied to Jesus.
Why do JW"s always go back to terminology they make up? He is correct, in isaiah chapter 9 Jesus is called Mighty God and then One verse later in chapter 10 Jehovah is referred to as Mighty God. So, using their inconsistent non logical reasoning, then Jehovah must not be Almighty God either.
Jehovah is the English translation of Yehweh, just as John, Luke, Paul are also translations into English. What you should yourselves is why the Tetragammatron was translated into the title of God! Most bibles use a title instead of his name, why do you think that is?
🎉🎉 exactly!
Wrong! “Jehovah…” (Yehovah) It is widely used in many churches. It is considered by many Christians to be hollowed, and many beautiful hymns also endear it, however, this name “Jehovah” is a concoction of man. Therefore, it is a “mongrel,” a “hybrid,” and it is “fantastic,” a fantasy, and it is “monstrous!” There is something very wrong with this euphonious name Jehovah. Therefore, the name of Jehovah was a name never revealed by the LORD. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict.
What are the facts?
Ever since the Babylonian invasion of the Kingdom of Judea, and the enforced diaspora of its noble class in 597 BCE, the Jews have had a strong penchant for hiding the name of the LORD (YHWH) from the Gentiles, thus preventing them from potentially profaning the LORD’s name revealed to Moses (specifically the name of YAH, “HaYAH”, as found in Exodus 3:13-15). YAH is “the name which is above every name.” Readers in the synagogues would inadvertently attempt to pronounce the LORD’s name, as there were no vowels in the Hebrew words within the Hebrew Bible [or known as “The Old Testament”] when coming upon God’s name: YHWH. Later, the Jewish clergy developed the practice, around the 1100s of adding Hebrew vowels created by the Masoretes, to the Tetragrammaton [Gr. word for the four consonant letters of the LORD's name]. The vowels were taken from at least three other Hebrew words, namely, Adonay (meaning Lord, with the vowels of a-o-ai causing the hybrid name YaHoWaiH, or later shortened to YAHWEH), Eloah (meaning God, with the vowels of e-o-a causing YeHoWaH later Jehovah or Yehovah), and Elohim (meaning Gods, with the vowels of e-o-i causing YeHoWiH, as shown in Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words # 3069). These hybrid names were never meant to form any legitimate name for the LORD but were placed there to remind the readers in the synagogues to say, “Adonay” instead of attempting to pronounce the LORD’s actual name.
How was this euphonious name, Jehovah, propagated?
Later in Medieval times, the Roman Catholic Church was known to raid Jewish synagogues, take their gold, and the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and persecute Jews. Raymondus Martini was a 13th century Dominican friar and theologian. He is remembered for his book called “Pugio Fidei” (in the year 1270 CE). Finding the absconded Hebrew Scriptures in the Dominican Library, and believing he had discovered the name of God, he used the name Iehovah (or Iehova) in his book not understanding that these vowels were not original to the LORD’s actual name. The name and pronunciation of “Jehovah,” (and also the name Jesus unknown until the 17th century) were essentially unknown in the years before 1520 CE, when introduced and propagated by Peter, Galatinus (1450-1540), he held the office of penitentiary under pope Leo X. His chief work De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, a book, written at the request of the pope, the emperor, and other dignitaries, in the year 1516 CE, as he also used the name Iehovah in his book. The name Iehovah was altered with the addition of the letter J, which was a recent addition to the English alphabet in the 17th century. Galatinus also did not know of the Jewish practice of adding vowels from an entirely different word. He did not know that the vowels found around the Tetragrammaton YeHoWaH were from the Hebrew word Eloah, and if he did, he did not care.
Noted Bible scholar J. B. Rotherham, essentially stated, “To give YHWH (Latin: IHVH and later JHVH) the vowels of the word (ELOAH) to remind the Jewish reader to say, ‘Adonay,’ and to be pronounced by the Christians, ‘Jehovah,’ is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name of Germany with the vowels of Portugal-viz., Gormuna” (The Emphasized Bible, J. B. Rotherham, Kregel Publication, 1994, Pp. 24-25). Jehovah in its present hybrid form has only existed since the 17th century. Fact: The LORD’s essential name is YAH, and Bible scholars have acknowledged YAHWEH (see Strong’s #3050), as in “Praise YAH,” Hebrew: “Halleluyah!” The English “Hallelujah” is a misnomer. YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9), and YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12), and this name is to be known among every language, and tongue, as the essential revealed name of the LORD according to the Gospel (Philippians 2:11), YAH, as in HaYAH (the I AM). The Savior identified His name as “I AM” (YAH, see John 8:58). The prophet Isaiah identified the name of salvation as YAH (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). And “shua” means “my help”, as in “my salvation.” To reject the revealed name of YAHSHUA, which was given by the angel (Matthew 1:21) is to stand condemned (John 3:18). YAHSHUA is shortened from the name YAHOSHUA, which is commonly spelled Yehoshua largely due to the Jewish practice of hiding the name YAH, by adding vowels to YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, from the Hebrew vowels of Eloah, which caused the false Yeh, as a result, scholars would consider YAHOSHUA a philological impossibility, however, they are mistaken.
What does the name Jehovah mean in Hebrew?
Je-hovah, “hovah” in Hebrew means, “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity” (see Strong’s #1942, #1943). The Jewish Encyclopedia, states, under the name “Jehovah,” “This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form Jehovah, which, however, is a philological impossibility” (p. 160). The Jehovah’s Witnesses admittedly make a similar reference that the name Jehovah is inferior, in their book: Let Your Name Be Sanctified (p. 16). Undoubtedly, the name Jehovah is not the revealed name of the LORD! Many Christian clergy know the truth that the name Jehovah is bogus. Still, due to their tradition, or the fact that this name erroneously appears in the King James Version of the Bible, they hold to this euphonious name for the sake of their tradition, which makes void the revelation of God (Mark 7:6-7). The Lord has a warning for them, “And now, O priests (pastors and teachers), this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if you will not take it to heart, to give glory to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart” (Malachi 2:1-2). Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Despite being told the truth of the one name of salvation, YAHSHUA, they will hold to the name Jesus and Jehovah, despite never having been revealed by the LORD. Many will reject the name YAHSHUA leaving only a few, and being of the many despite the admonishment: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). The name Jesus was never revealed by the LORD, or an angel of the Lord, and history proves this, as eminent historian Ernest Renan acknowledged that the Savior was never in His lifetime called “Jesus” (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). The name Jesus, in its present form, has only existed since the 17th century.
@@S.R.M. too long and unreadable
@@pamelasloan1664 I'm sorry you can't read and lack comprehension. It is your loss.
@@S.R.M.holy crap
🙏🙏JESUS IS GOD
Another one trying to say the Trinity? The beginning was already good. We believe in one God but in three persons. And why do you limit God to 3? He is Almighty so he said I will be whatever I want. And did Jesus ever teach that he was God? And when he asked the disciples who they thought He was, Peter replied, YOU ARE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. His God told his disciples, "Go and make disciples, teaching them what I have commanded you. So who, after so many centuries, teaches something different, trying to find some incomprehensible and strange Trinity in the Bible? It has neither logic nor is it the teaching of Jesus himself or the Apostles. Jesus himself admitted that apostasy would come and people would speak perverse teachings. And so it is with the doctrine of the Trinity. Does anyone who believes in it really understand what they repeat without thinking? The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Everyone is a different person, but God. 1+1+1= 1 ? After all, this teaching is so ridiculous and tragic for those who propagate it, that no one will even wonder what its origin is. Because Jesus warned against false teachers and wolves. Finally, a question to consider for those who are trying to understand the Trinity that they have created. TO WHOM DID "GOD ALMIGHTY" JESUS PRAY WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES? There are countless such questions. And looking for verses in the Bible and putting them under the Trinity is tragic. At the end. Jesus said before leaving that if you preach what I have commanded you, I will be with you until the end. And who today is known for zealously preaching throughout the earth about Jesus as He presented Himself when He was on earth?
And my God is your god’s daddy and his name is Jehovah
Did you know of the Jewish practice of placing vowels (Hebrew vowels) onto (YHWH) the Tetragrammaton? Vowels from Adonai are placed onto YHWH causing the hybrid name Yahowaih, shortened to YAHWEH? Or on other occasions, what about the vowels of Elohim inserted onto YHWH causing the name Yehovih, which Strong's Dictionary of Bible Words lists as #3069, and why? because it exists! What about the vowels of Eloah placed onto YHWH causing Yehowah to change to Yehovah, then change to Jehovah, and later attempt to change back to Yehovah. All this was done to remind the readers in the synagogues not to say the name of God, YAHAWAH. Why does Nehemia Gordon base his support of the name Yehovah solely upon Medieval sources of Scripture, and ignores the other names of Yahweh and Yehovih? All these hybrid (false names) originated in the same period of time (Middle Ages). Why are believers in Yehovah trying to disassociate the part of Ye-hovah, hovah in Hebrew means ruin, mischief, and calamity! Is that the God you worship? Jehovah according to meaning based on hovah as seen in Strong's #1942;#1943.
In Exodus 3:13-15, Moses asked for God’s name. 13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH!” [“I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘YAH [IAM] has sent me to you.’ ” 15 Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’”
YAH is “the name which is above every name”.
The apostle Paul heard Christ’s name on the road to Damascus, which is why he said of the name of Christ, 9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him ‘the name which is above every name,’ 10 that at the name of YAH-SHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). God never revealed the name Jesus, which has existed since the 17th century.
YAH is the only essential name of salvation for mankind, as the prophet Isaiah has revealed, Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
Christ told the people that He is YAH which means “I AM,” when He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).
@@S.R.M. did you know prior to this Jewish practice we have Historical and arqueological evidence points to a closer for that supports the form Jehovah more than it does for Yahweh. That is before these later Jewish scribes you reference from strongs and even before the Spanish Catholic priest that is reference to be the inventor of Jehovah. You find this with God’s Name found as “IAŌ”. We find this in Egyptian stones, we also find it by church fathers and we find it reference by the Greeks. ALL at different time frames all with the same exact phrase in different langue’s by different cultures at different times. And the surprising thing is that this supports: Jehovah. And there is no evidence that out of IA-Ō supports the rendering: Yahweh. Yahweh is the accepted academic form of Gods form but the one with the least evidence yet they try to say that this is what we find in Hebrew. Take time to study this and look at the latest evidence not the old literature on what some scholars considered. We don’t even get LORD/adonai from IAŌ. If you want the best available evidence we get: this^. Have a good blessed day!
@@InvestigadorTJ The name Jesus is from the 17th century, and as found in the 1611 KJV, it was Iesus (ee-sus), not Jesus (gee-sus), which indicates man-made changes in the one name, nor is there any other name, given under heaven by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12). The issue is the name is a revealed name from Heaven, and not to be subjected to the tongue of man or linguistic evolution. Egypt became a Greek-speaking land after the Greek invasion in BC 330. Greek does not support Jehovah, which is a concoction of the vowels of Eloah. YAH is found in Greek as IAO, but that only proves that Hebrew Yod and Hey with the Hebrew vowel gametz forming the sound of 'a' is YAH. Revelation is of the LORD and academics of man. Dear friend, I have looked at the evidence. You also have a blessed day!
NB! Please check the sub titles. There are many mistakes. - sun vs son. Changing the essence of the message. Also many crucial audio parts are muted. The message is excellent.
Subtitles are AI generated, thats why there are errors.
@@sebastianwehler3218 The message then looses it's meaning. 🙄
@@30330GSL Well yea but usually christians know that its always talking about the "son" and not the "sun". Unless one comes from the new age camp.
Why is 14:24 some audio missing?
Is Dr. White saying something, what the ACU doesn't want to put on their channel.
What is the ACU?
Audio problems. It happens again about 43 minutes in.
Glory to jehovah forever! This I pray in Jesus Christ's name. Amen.
The words of Psalm 102:25, 26 apply to Jehovah God, but the apostle Paul quotes them with reference to Jesus Christ. This is because God’s only-begotten Son was God’s personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe. Paul contrasts the Son’s permanence with that of the physical creation, which God, if he so designed, could ‘wrap up just as a cloak’ and set aside.- Read Heb 1:1, 2, Colo 1:15,16, 1 Cori 8:5,6, Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.
It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon.-Luke 11:31.
begotten =unique...........
So " the Son of God personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe" comes from wich fairy tale book please??????????not from the bible that s for sure.......hebrews 1:10 " in the beginning Lord,You laid the foundations of the earth,and the heaveans are the work of Your hands...... wich is a repetition of esai45;18 and esai44;24 ........in hebrews 1:10 the one there THE LORD IS CHRIST.....i don t see one word in hebrews 1:10 that could lead me to think ,jesus is an agent employed at someting.....the verse clearly shows Christ is CREATOR............a creator is uncreated...............
colossians 1:15 " ........all things have been created THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM................ do you see there one word that could lead to think he is not the Creator???????
prov8:22 has nothing to do with JESUS ......the Father created thing with the breath of His mouth psalms33:6_9 .........Jesus is the Word of GOD ,not the wisdom.............although Jesus is Wisdow,so is the Father......... and the chapters before proverbs 8 ,so prover 7,6,5,9 ,etc ,all talk about wisdom and strictly don t refer to Jesus....there is no reasons for prover 8:22 to refer to Jesus.........Wis dom there is a personification of quality and behaviour.........
@@KarineSmith-r6w
Colossians 1:15 - does not say that Jesus is the Creator, it says that all things have been created *through* him, not that the created them. The Greek uses the passive verb form here. Check out an interlinear and you'll see.
Hebrews 1:2 (ESV) says similar: _"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, _*_through whom also he created the world."_*
It wouldn't make much sense for Hebrews 1:10 to contradict Hebrews 1:2. The Bible often shows things being actioned by someone else but the source being Jehovah so Jehovah can still be given the credit. For instance in Deuteronomy 32:12: _"The Lord alone led him"_ however Moses and an angel were used to lead Israel.
@@adrianwalker3607 the word "through". Found in the New World translation in both instances there don t existe un the original manuscripts, Never......
Thé bible stricly forbidds to add or take off anything from her word...its called exégète,totally forbidden : révélation 22:20.
Hebrew 1:10 :in the beginning Lord,you laid the fondations of the earth,and the heavens are the work of your hands.....clearly says Christ IS creator....
You would have to demonstrate this verse IS not Christ called Lord there ,the all chapter IS about Christ....there ISn t one word in this verse that Can demonstrate Christ ain t the straight creator.....
The name "Jehovah" IS totally unknown from biblical manuscripts,unknown to the apostles and unknown to Jésus......
@@KarineSmith-r6w weak silly opinion drop
@@adrianwalker3607 Jehovah causes to become.
As Creator he Channels this work through his Son
We all learn from our mistakes don’t we? No I guess some don’t but we should try to.
Listening to this dude speak clearly shows me he knows nothing remotely close to what he thinks he does. Just has a hard-on for JW's.
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.”
(Acts 1:8 NET)
Jesus Witnesses!
You attempt to bypass Jesus but it wont work out for you in the end. Nobody comes to the Father except through him and contrary to what you said, there are indeed several verses identifying all three "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as fully God. Those who bypass Christ will be told in the end "depart from me i never knew you". JW's are in error and their doctrine is beyond false. At the end of the day its very simple. The only ones who end up falling for false teachings are those who dont truly know their bible. No true born again and spirit led believer will ever end up in a place that teaches unbiblical nonsense and twists the word of God like JW do and have done. If you are one, learn the history and realize how many of their prophecies failed utterly, which was the very reason couple decades ago that many left this cult
You have been lied to about orthodox Christianity John. This comment made no sense
Watchtower used the Greber bible as source. The greber bible used a spirit medium to translate it. Literally inspired by demons. The JW bible is demon inspired
It is one thing to talk about Jehovah's Witnesses and another thing to talk to one.
White debated Stafford, a JW and he did not do well.
True and James White has not engage in refuting Greg Stafford’s latest JW books .. the last one he did was Greg’s 1st edition and didn’t go any further… I wonder why???????
I think we fail to realize that the offense of our sins is against THE VERY ONE WHO IS ETERNAL ,NO CREATED BEING NO FINITE CREATURE COULD EVER SATISFY THE OFFENCE CAUSED BY OUR SINS BECAUSE THEIR VERY EXSISTENCE DEPENDS ON HIM WHO IS SELF EXSISTENCENT TO BE SAVED FROM GODS WRATH I MUST BE SAVED BY GOD NO OTHER SAVIOUR WILL DO..
That's very creative - though completely made-up and quite pointless to say the least.
That being said, the fact and conclusion is that the only begotten Son of GOD is/was perfectly suited to redeem mankind from the sin and death brought into the world by Adam. And moreso, that there really is no need to appeal to man-made ideas and beliefs in such cases, as the written truth is perfectly suitable.
Hello! Praise JAH! Psalm 68:4 KJV and his name alone is the most high Psalm 83:18 KJV
Jehovah
@@patchooo84Yahweh
@@craigime open to Genesis 22:14
Yahweh- Jireh? No
Jehovah -Jireh
God Provides
@@craigime Yahweshophat? No Jehoshaphat
Yahwehash? No Jehoash
Yahweiadah? No Jehoiadah
So on and so on.
@@patchooo84 you're using an English translation to determine how God's name was originally pronounced? Are you unwell? Those names aren't even pronounced like that either
Praise Yihovah the almighty God, and praise His Son Yeshua our King!
Yahuah Almighty
@@joshuab2437 they used to pronounce God’s name Yi•ho•vah although Yah•hu•ah isn’t very different, and many people pronounce it differently. I believe that if our Creator was concerned about the exact pronunciation we would know. Yahhovah may be more accurate. I don’t know.
@@jessejames4967 Yod Hei Uau Hei
= Yahuah
JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
@@TheCabin777 Jesus is God’s Son.
Thanks for that amazing teaching.
You are welcome.
@@africanchristianuniversity785 Greetings! I'd like to see how
YOU deal with the following questions.
1) If GOD the FATHER isn't the Eternal HOLY SPIRIT, then just What
IS HE??
2) If Jesus isn't THE HOLY SPIRIT-----Then HOW can he be GOD?
3) If Jesus is GOD.....Literally, then when did he BECOME GOD, in
Your estimation.
When he began the Ministry Set before him by GOD?
When he was a 12 year old boy, learning the Word of his GOD and
FATHER in the "TEMPLE,"
OR;
Was he GOD.....Literally, Right out of the Womb?
AND;
WHY doesn't Jesus know the time of his OWN return? Do you
Still hold to the same reply you gave to that Muslim panel, about
a year ago?
"Well, maybe GOD kept some things from Jesus...."
Is that Still your answer?
Thanks for your reply.
Respectfully
@@africanchristianuniversity785 You never offer a reply to my
Comments-----I wonder Why?
@MrMore5450JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
@@TheCabin777 Then WHO and WHAT is GOD the FATHER??
Here is a question that JWs cannot answer:
What objective evidence do JW's have that Jesus chose a Faithful and Discrete Slave in 1919? (Please give me objective evidence, not subjective.)
I said nothing harmful or disrespectful I was raised to study and I am also a scholar if people are not seeking truth from Scripture and commenting on their beliefs what good is the comment section people can disagree and still love and respect others beliefs.
So in essence if I speak lies prove it because I to believed like most people here but found what I was taught was wrong so if I'm wrong prove it to me I've been proven wrong before that's why I believe now the way I believe. It is very serious to learn about god and each and everyone of us must get it right.
So I will say sorry for hurting anyone's feelings because it was intended for people to study there Bibles, and not to just listen to everything people say is gospel.
Very insightful - thanks Dr. White & ACU!
It’s not a confusing thing, when talking about the partakers going up. There was a ‘question from readers’ in a Watchtower of 2007 which changed the concept of the anointed being complete in 1935. It changed that they did not know anymore. It’s not directly connected to 1914. So, from 2007, it’s open to increase the anointed number and it has been going up about a 1000 new partakers a year. Your information is mostly correct and very well told.
I have studied the trinity far and wide, but as Bart Ehrman states in his books, the people of the time did not believe Jesus to be God and the people after Jesus death, could not understand who Jesus was en started building the theory of the Dual and later Trinitarian believe. Jesus told the knowledge would be known to the most basic of people. So both the trinity and the man made concepts that crept in the Jehovah’s Witness ideas are not from God in my opinion.
Why would a jealous god ever ‘force’ people to believe in one entity, while he himself is not one, but multiple persons. That makes no sense at all to me.
Dude, you missed it. Read John 24. Jesus went through all the Old Testament and clearly explained that even Moses had written about Him. That is why Jesus told the Pharisees that if they believed in Moses's writings, they would believe in Him.
@@bitesizeenglish3716How is this a response to what I was saying? Certainly the septuagint is not talking about god coming to earth. They believed a messiah would come and stay here on earth. The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was this messiah. So Jesus was arguing that they should believe him to be that based on their scriptures. That has nothing to do with the argument of the trinity being true.
Bart Erhman’s theory about the divinity of Jesus evolving overtime after His death is not supported by the evidence. We have good reason to believe the creeds in Paul’s letters are from very close to the time of Jesus’ death (~40 AD)
We have fragments of the gospel of John from around 100AD that match manuscripts that our Bible is based on. This means that John was widely circulated at that time and is full of assertions of Jesus’ divinity. Mark was even earlier and has Jesus attributing prophecies from Daniel to Himself and claiming that the Holy of Holies as His seat.
Hebrews was likely written between 50 and 65 AD. It attributes OT passages about Yahweh to Jesus. It even says the Jesus is the author and perfector of our salvation, and He is superior to angels, prophets, and the Leviticus priesthood.
Very sad the Bible is not hard to understand with God's help,
I hate to text but read your Bibles and don't go beyond what is written Trinity is not Scriptural, there is one god the father and his son Jesus Christ.
Jesus never claimed to be God but the son of God. His Father gave him the right to be worship. Giving his son all things. Remember what Jesus said after the thousand years he would give the kingdom back to his father. And as far as the holy Spirit goes it says it's our helper and never says the holy Spirit is a god.
The holy Spirit imparts power to us when we need it.
@@Musicnest.where in the Bible does it say Jesus will give up the kingdom after 1000 years? It says otherwise in Daniel 7 and Revelation 11.
Then why does the author of Hebrews attribute the passage in psalm 102 about Yahweh to Jesus as explained why Dr. White?
Stating your claim authoritatively without addressing the evidence that was presented is not a good way of convincing someone of anything. It just demonstrates that you didn’t pay attention to the person who presented the evidence.
Keep in mind, Trinitarian believe the God-head are separate persons with the Father having authority over the Son. We believe that they share the same nature, before creation of the universe, will have everlasting dominion and we will serve/worship them forever.
JW believes Jesus is created-that Jesus does not share a nature with the Father-like you would create a painting Trinitarians believe Jesus is begotten-like the way you would beget a baby. If you agree that the Father gave Jesus the right to be worshiped, you must either believe He is one with the Father or the Father is superseding the 1st commandment and Deut 6.
Pray for the JW's that their eyes are opened to the truth.
Our eyes are already open that is why we don’t believe in the likes of the Trinity which took 100’s of years to form after the last apostle to what we have today
Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil.
A person is either a child of God or a child of the devil (1John 3:10). Most JWs will admit that they aren't born again (children of God), which means they are children of...?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Hahahahaha Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil.
You need to take a good look in the mirror. You are by far the worst serpent I've had the displeasure of debating with
Jah, are you a child of God? Yes or no?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth So you want to give me another yes or no question
I will give this closed question the same respect you gave my closed question. *That is without an answer either way*
And you can take that as you wish
So if you understand that that there is only one God, why do you make him a trinity? Key frase (one God). Not three.
The trinity does NOT teach that God is three. Please do not distort something that you clearly do not understand.
Who spoke from above when Christ was baptized. Who did he pray to in the garden before he was arrested? Who was he speaking to when he asked could the cup be removed? Was he talking to himself when he said, thy will shall be done. On his resurrection when Mary went to embrace him, what did he say? Did the early church get confused by the Muslim question "Do you have two gods, for we only have one? Then to add to the confusion there is mention of God the father Christ the son and the holy spirt which is three spiritual identities all rolled into one. Many Christens pray to the two and hang onto on the promise of the Son.
All jehovah witnesses, and all the other mislead people should read Galatians paul says anyone teaching a different gospel which is really no gospel at all, let them be eternally condemned, we should all pray for the jehovah witnesses that they will see the truth and come into the light ,which is are LORD JESUS CHRIST who is truly GOD not a god but GOD.
You reckon from what I see they try to stay clean in body and spirit something that doesn't exist in worldly religions
Trinity is a dogma, NOT a doctrine grounded in the Bible.
Believe in Trinity doctrine render almost all verses in the Bible invalid.
Matthew 4:1-10;
Can Almighty God be TEMPTED? (Jesus was tempted)
John 5:19; 6:38;
Does God have a "will" that can be different from Jesus?
Can God be commanded? John 12:49 ; (Jesus was commanded)
Can same person be greater than himself? John 14:28;
John 20:17; Revelation 3:2,12. Can Almighty God still have a God?
Luke 6:12,13; 22:41-43;
Can anyone strengthen God?
1 Corinthians 8:6;
11:3; Can God have a HEAD?
15:28. Will God handover to himself?
Can there be a MEDIATOR between one person?
1 Timothy 2:5,6; Galatians
3:20.
Hebrews 5:8; Can Almighty learn OBEDIENCE from sinful humans?
Can you appear before yourself? Hebrews 9:24;
Can you exalt God?
Can you stand at your own right side? Acts
5:31; 7:55;
Philippians 2:9-11;
John 8:32 .. and the truth will set you free.
@@olusesanmoses413 well researched
Where in Scripture does it say or Jesus say he's God the Bible says don't go beyond what is written.
So if Jesus said he's God's son believe that if you study deep you will find that his father gave him all things even the right to be worshiped after all he saved us by his ransom and saved us from being destroyed by his father remember it says in John 3:16 that God so loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten son that who so ever believes in him may not perish but have everlasting life Jehovah truly is our Savior and how he done this is sending his son into this world Jesus is our Savior too because if he had not volunteered his life as a ransom we would all die in our sins
@@olusesanmoses413 well put Trinity in truly a false doctrine.
Two thumbs up brother that was a great witness to all of these who put pagan costumes into Christianity. And if they all study more they will find how the false religions of our day put this false doctrine into modern day religion.
Jesus is God's only begotten son and even said I'm the first of all creation.
Once again that was a great witness the father and his son is very happy about you witnessing to all the real truth
Dr. White, the silence is a compliment and testament to your work. Thank you, Dr. White.
@LTL307 apologies, I don't know who you're referring to.
@LTL307 loll...........hilarious............james white accept as a trinitarian all bible verses....not the case of unitarians and jws..........they only accept verses that suits their dogmas ,reject and fight the legitimacy of verses about Christ divinity...........
@LTL307 you don t know the bible.
@@grahamtrout9441 he is refeeing to james white.
@@sylvie-j4i WE "Only use Scriptures that suit our
Dogmas?" HA! Those Scriptures contain CLEAR CONTEXT,
Not something WE simply Apply to them. Do YOU not, "Pick
and Choose" Scripture??
I'd be Delighted to match you....Scripture for Scripture, with added
COMMENTARY.
I will not only Offer many Scriptures, I will add Commentary to
YOUR Scriptures, my friend.
And then I will challenge you to provide Convincing rebuttal of
Both the Scriptures I offer, AND, the Commentary.
Are you Game??
Respectfully.
brilliant mr white
2 Timothy 3:13
I watched the debate several times and Dr. White cannot proved his stand about the Trinity because he cannot read in the Bible that Jesus says that he is God. What he presented is only his opinion and no bible verses.
@@vanvelasco8240 for a start Greg Stafford had ni scriptural stand for the debate with the "a god"...
Thé bible teaches clearly: there are NO gods besides GOD......those called gods arent....deutero 32:39;psalms 115:4;isaiah 44,45,46,47,48,etc....following bible standards there are NO gods besides GOD,jws make Jésus bé a false god.
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus never claimed that he is God because he recognized his Father as the true God ( John 17:1-3). Also Jesus knows that the true God is a spirit with no flesh and bones ( John 4:24) and God never dies ( 1 Timothy 6:16) but Christ died although he was resurrected by God.
@@vanvelasco8240God The Father called the Son (Jesus Christ) God Hebrews 1:8 AND gave Jesus Christ all his God The Father’s Authority to Judge Completely mankind, causing Jesus to become God and Father first to the church Ephesians 1:22-23, 4:6, and, during the millennium, to all the world Daniel 7:13-14, Psalm 110:1 and 1st Corinthians 15:24-28.
I just want to point out a few corrections. First in our Bible it is Matthew😂 1:18-22, not Matthew 4:18-22.
Also you just seemed to have just swapped a few words with Hebrew words, which really isn’t possible to do any sort of translation work doing this.
And finally most english translations of the Bible say in the 21st verse … “and you shall call his name Jesus: which means ‘God with us’”.
Now I would like to know your purpose for posting this scripture?
Luke 9:35 God was with him his first Son. Hes the way to our heavenly Father science Adam and Eden disobey. 😢
The trinitarians the manipulated the Bible forgot to change the words Father and Son, I challenge anyone to prove that the word Father means two people in one. In all three languages of the Bible, all the way to modern English it means one the begotten. Show me that it means different. Yeah
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A trinitarian can't explain the relationship between Jesus and his father Jehovah thats why they say he has to be a Trinity, but if they studied their bibles more they would find the difference between God and Jesus Christ.
@@InvestigadorTJ Oh, so you are a spokesperson for trinitarians are you? Well ok, sure, we don't believe that Jesus was procreated in the same way as human sons are procreated any more than we believe that being born again means that we have to "enter a second time into out mother’s womb to be born”.
What we believe is that the Father and Son relationship is eternal, just as Jesus' being High Priest of the new covenant is eternal - without beginning of days or end of life (Hebrews 7:3). You got a problem with that?
Here is why we believe that the Father and Son relationship is eternal:
"Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you *before the world began."* (John 17:5)
Jesus was neither created nor "begotten" before the world began. Why? Because to say "before the world began" is equvalent to saying "before time began". Not only does secular science acknowledge that time is an integral part of creation, scripture also refers to eternity in that way (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2).
Time cannot be separated from space and matter. They were all created simultaneously.
Furthermore, Jesus could not possibly have been created because scripture makes it impossible. John 1:3 totally dismisses the idea:
"Through him all things were made; without him *nothing was made that has been made."*
Notice the unusual way that this verse is worded. It's almost as if John was trying to write a disclaimer. He could have said something very simple here such as "Jesus created all things", but he specifically points out that *_everything that has been made_* was made by Jesus. It's almost as if John knew in advance that people were going to twist scripture and try to contradict him.
You also need to explain why there is no account of Jesus creation anywhere in scripture. Wouldn't we expect there to be one? Moses who God chose to write an account of creation doesn't mention one and neither does Paul nor anyone else.
I was a JW for over 20 years, and now a born again Christian. God is: Father, Son & Holy Spirit. You must remember that before he came to earth, his name was The Word, or Logos. In this sense, Jesus is the Son of God & God. He now has a human and divine nature. This is where you are getting confused.
@@FreedomAndJustice4All in trinitarian theology the father isn’t really a father and the son isn’t really a son
@@FreedomAndJustice4All what’s also interesting is that most JW converts were Christian (Protestant, evangelical, or Catholic) and others were Muslim or another non-Christian religion.
Remember what Matthew 27:54 says in part: “Surely he was the Son of God!”
Remember, the letter J was in no language until it came into existence in the 14th century. So there was no nobody calling Jesus Jesus in the Bible this was all put in later Bible translations.
Just one correction about Jehovah's witnesses they do believe Jesus was Resurrected back to heavenly life
I see you glow talking about other religions but I found your allegations entertaining and in many instances I found you contradicting not the J W but the Bible itself so that makes an apostle.
I am not a J W but I know their teaching.
Is there a group, organization or religion, if you will, that got something wrong?
Not even the first religion.
You claim to be a doctor, right?
A Dr. on what?
In theology?
Go back and collect your money or start all over again.
To be continued.
Buffoonery
May i know how it is contridicts
@@amithabjose1005 There are things the bible tells us, regardless of any particular denomination. That's the bible telling us what we need to know but when we go and argue the opposite just because this denomination cites those texts. We do not like that 'religion in particular' or some people feel they are, somehow, competitors we are not arguing against that group, organization, or religion but against the bible. By definition against God himself, sometimes.
the apostles claimed the brought forth the name of GOD to the nations,they brought forth the ONLY NAME OF JESUS ,end of the story.
You don't what you're talking about
Thank you, Dr White ! Praise Yahweh!
Christ is NOT YAHWEH, my friend.....he is, Yeshua Hamashia. There is
a subtle, but distinct difference between these names.
@@raygsbrelcik5578JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
@@TheCabin777 Actually, Isaiah 9:6 infers that Jesus would be called Mighty God: “El Gib-bohr,” (compare Jo 1:18 in a Greek Interlinear) not Almighty God: “El Shad-dai,” (Ex 6:3) And though the KJV says-“the mighty God,” Hebrew Interlinears show that the original manuscripts never said “the” mighty God. Too, we must remember that “God” is only a title, that’s why Satan is referred to as, “the god of this world,” at 2Cor 4:4.
@@tobeornottobe50 yes JESUS is the ALMIGHTY GOD, there is ONLY ONE GOD WHO is MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY, this is such a silly argument because BOTH JESUS and the FATHER are known as MIGHTY GOD and BOTH are also known as ALMIGHTY GOD in Scripture. Can you please tell me WHO is speaking in Isaiah 44-6 and goes on to say there is no other God but ME?
@@TheCabin777 Nah, that’s okay. I don’t mind leaving it at what you think and feel. Didn’t mean to get you all riled up. You enjoy your evening. Agapé my friend. ☺️
• In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote:
"The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate."
- The Classical Journal, April-May 1974. page 376.
• Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989:
"In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.
Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote:
The NW (New World Translation)
emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared." Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the…
the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing."
-The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.
Author Charles Francis Potter said:
"The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen."
--The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences.
Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating, "The translaton of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement (Jehovah's Witnesses) of scholars qualied to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation."
-Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31.
Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators
"possessed an unusual competence in Greek." - Andover Newton
Quarterly, September 1966, page 26.
olusesanmoses413 regardless of your quoted sources, a casual comparison of translations shows the inaccuracies of your sources quoted. Your appeal to authorities quoted has no bearing on the truth readily available in comparison.
@@leonardhunt7241 These are neutral and unbiased opinion, regardless of your colored comparison.
Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989:
"In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.
Author Charles Francis Potter said:
"The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen."
--The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has "independent readings of merit."
-The Interpreter's Bible, Volume I, page 99.
@@olusesanmoses413 You can certainly say and assert that your professional quotes are unbiased and neutral. Regardless, anyone’s comparison of multiple Bible translations CLEARLY makes those quotes from you disqualified. I don’t apologize for showing this to you. It’s obvious to the abundance of information that is available to anyone today.
@@olusesanmoses413 *"These are neutral and unbiased opinion.."*
Oh please! Don't make me laugh!! Unbiased? The Watchtowers is infamous for cherry-picking scholars to support the NWT and ignoring all the others that reject it, which is pathetic and hardly what I would call "unbiased"!
Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein is a *Jewish unitarian* who received his PhD from Yale in 1969, but NOT in Hebrew. It should also be noted that he limits his comments to the *Hebrew* Bible. What the Watchtower fails to mention is that criticism of the New World Translation is particularly concentrated on Christological issues, NOT the Hebrew Bible!
Charles Francis Potter was a *Unitarian* minister. He founded the First Humanist Society of New York and the Euthanasia Society of America. And he is supposed to be unbiased?
And as for Professor Allen Wikgren, he does not go on to define which “independent readings” of the NWT he finds to be “of merit.” We do not know what Dr. Wikgren thought about the NWT’s more controversial renderings, such as John 1:1 or Colossians 1:16.
@@olusesanmoses413
*This was copy and pasted from the watchtower “Is the New World Translation Accurate?” ijwfq article 36.*
I speak with witnesses quite often and you guys do this all the time. You never read any type of literature outside of the organization and just copy and paste partial quotes from your website.
But here’s a question for you:
*_Who decided which books would go in the Bible?_*
Positive comments about the New World Translation from non-Witness scholars
In a letter dated December 8, 1950, noted Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed wrote regarding the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify.”
Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed
Edgar J. Goodspeed
Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has “independent readings of merit.”-The Interpreter’s Bible, Volume I, page 99.
Commenting on the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, British Bible critic Alexander Thomson wrote: “The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing.”-The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.
Despite noting what he felt were a few unusual renderings, author Charles Francis Potter said: “The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, with scholarly ability and acumen.”-The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences, Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating: “The translation of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement [Jehovah’s Witnesses] of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31.
Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators “possessed an unusual competence in Greek.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, September 1966, page 26.
In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: “The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.”-The Classical Journal, April-May 1974, page 376.
Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: “In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.”
Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote: “The NW [New World Translation] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the differences in the New World Translation are the result of religious bias on the part of its translators, BeDuhn stated: “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation of the original expressions of the New Testament writers.”-Truth in Translation, pages 163, 165.
So are you calling Jesus a LIAR........
The words of Jesus speaking to his disciples: ........
If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14:28
SO who is the Father that is GREATER than Jesus.....????
Psalms 89:26,
He himself calls out to me, 'You are my Father, My God and the Rock of my salvation.
And Jesus also quoted the book of Isaiah saying he was their messiah, the fulfillment of God's prophecy.
And Isaiah also said : And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father..........(Isaiah 64:8)
So I see that Jesus IS the SON of God not God himself.
No one is calling Jesus a liar! You just ignore what all anti-trinitarians ignore - the fact that there was a context to Jesus earthly ministry. What you need to do is dig deeper into scripture because some of the evidence is not easy to see at first glance. That is why quoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them.
Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it:
Who, *being in very nature God,*
did not consider *equality with God* something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, *he made himself nothing*
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death-
even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8)
Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage".
We also see that it is Jesus _himself_ who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - _volutarily._
So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, and his divine privileges to volutarily take on a lesser form?
One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels.
In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity.
So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did _without_ making himself dependent on the Father?
@@geraldsutton9981 Jesus is also called "the rock", because he is God. The reply that came before mine is the truth. Better take it serious and study to show yourself approved. nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. Cannot bypass him. Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is given the titles "Almighty God and even Everlasting Father". Your new world translation is wrong in regards to John 1:1-3. The Word was not "a god", "he was God". And the Word "Jesus" became flesh and there are many reasons as to why Jesus lowered himself and prayed to the Father and said the "Father" is greater than him. All had to do with his earthly ministry and much more. Deep spiritual truth behind all that which many falsely take out of context using it to affirm their false beliefs. You simply cannot bypass Jesus. Not gonna work out for you. You will be told "Depart from me i never knew you" . Much love.
I do know that the world being is not a distinguishing pronoun as is father and son. These words, father and son are clearly used in the Bible for God and his son. As I mentioned both mean the same thing in all three biblical languages. Father is the creator of the son. Even in our days, they mean the same. Trinitarian grossly wrote the King James Bible. Verses were change, gladly not all were able to be changed. Example, Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, 1 Petter 1:3 and many more. Verses that have been changed can be corrected by the surrounding verses. Example Philippians 2:6,7 corrected by verse 5. All versus used by Trinitarian are versus that can be left up to the interpretation. However, versus that are the word of Jesus cannot be misinterpreted. As a trinitarian, you must know that this was only made up in the fourth century. This is proof that neither Jesus nor the apostles taught such a thing.
Im not a Jehovah's witness but they do know their bible better then they do here.
Absolutely correct, most in here wouldn't know Genesis from Revelations
@@pamelasloan1664.....Or, Christ, from, GOD the FATHER!
Did you know that their translation teaches that Jehova died?
@@jakubheliniak1156 how so ?
@@Elias1995Ca how do you figure that preposterous idea ?
Dr James white 🐐
I combat JWs with the knowledge I have from being born into their cult. I knew as a small kid something was wrong with it. My father was an elder/circuit overseer, everyone knew him, even met Nathan Knorr as a kid at Bethel NY went to all those huge conventions at stadiums in the 60s-70s.
I refused to get baptized I was done with it when I turned 18 and moved out. But I had every book the JWs put out as my father had a library full at home.
Any online resources you recommend?
@nasticanasta
You can not un-ring the bell of Truth. John 4:23 John! 17:3
John 3:16 John 20:17
1 Peter 1:3. 2 Peter 1:3
1 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ephesians 1:3
Any and All Bibles teach the same truth 1 Corinthians 3:23
1 Corinthians 11:3
@@patchooo84 It's funny how many of these verses contain the numbers 1 and 3. A subtle hint maybe?
But seriously, which of these verses do you think disprove the trinity? Not one, not even John 17:3 does that. The problem of course is just that you simply do not understand the gospel in its entirety but prefer to pull verses out of context.
@@paulbrennan4163 it's your lack of knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures that allows you to get taken in by this Pagan concept of FALSE WORSHIP.
ALSO YOUR LACK OF HONESTY WITH REGARD TO THE WORD LORD, LORD GOD, GOD each and all consistently " the Almighty " and or "the Father", "that God and Father of Jesus John 20:17 and the lessor "Lord" regarding God's Son. Jesus was Originally referred to as Lord ( head, Leader } of all God 's obedient Worshippers, directing and educating 'called and chosen' ones,
Trinity is highly misleading. All being Co- existent, co-equal and co-eternal.
The truth of the matter is to paganize our OT Almighty, Most high and Grand Creator.
God needed to be diluted, demoted as it were.
NEXT
His 1st Creation, Jesus, His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, Had to be promoted to a new, higher position. This. Was an effort make Jesus equal to his once Almighty God and Father John 20:17
Next
God's Holy Spirit needed to be personified by crafting a new, creative designation.
The Holy Ghost rather than Holy Spirit or Ruah meaning breath, pressing wind or invisible force.
These are all clever, misleading, unscriptural changes of OT and Christ 's teaching.
Jesus, God's Son. God 's 1st and Only Son from his loins alone. Jesus was then blessed to be God 's Chief Agent, Co-creator, chosen savior of fallen mankind.
Colossians 1:15, John 3:16, Revelation 3:14, John 6:57
Matthew 16: 16 & 17
@@paulbrennan4163 bet you wish those were 3:1
Hahahahahaha
I did answer. No im not accredited, and your Bible is fine with me. Yes I’m a Jehovah’s Witnesses. I made it clear that none of that matters in understanding the Bible.
We use many translations NWT and more
@@InvestigadorTJ that is ok, wise to compare.
"What people will do for a lie, we have trouble getting people to do for the truth, at all." That's somewhat misleading. The folks who are doing what they do "for a lie" *_don't think it's a lie._* If they knew what they were saying was untrue, I doubt we would see the same zeal from them.
I’m sure you must realize, that goes both ways.
@@tobeornottobe50 Thanks for taking the time to comment. I absolutely agree, but that's not my point. Dr. White's statement seems to assume that the witnesses know what they're preaching is a lie. I don't believe they do, and I also don't think he believes they do. I just think his statement was off-the-cuff and ill-considered. That's all.
@@evanwindom3265 Agreed.
Jesus is God
According to the Gospel of Christ
One’s salvation depends on:
THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME
Moses asked for God’s name, and God said, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH,” translated, I AM Who I AM (Exodus 3:13-15). I AM is YAH! So we say, “Halleluyah!” “Praise YAH!”
YAH is “The name which is above every name!”
The Prophet Isaiah spoke of YAH as the name of salvation, behold, “God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
{The name of Jesus has only existed since the 17th century, before that, the name Iesus, before that the Name Iesous, and that name is a transliteration of the name Yeshua.}
The angel of the LORD did not reveal the names: Jesus, Iesus, or Iesous. The angel said, “And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).
The Messiah of Israel said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Christ told them that He is YAH, the God of Israel, The only Rock (Isaiah 44:8; 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
The apostle Peter testified to the name YAHSHUA, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
The apostle Paul on the Road to Damascus encountered Christ, “So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting” (Acts 26:15). Did the apostle Paul testify to hearing THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME?
The apostle Paul acknowledged that he heard the name which is above every name {YAH}.
Philippians 2:9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name {YAH}, 10 that at the name of YAHSHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.”
To accept any other name other than YAHSHUA that was not revealed by God is to reject the name of salvation. And, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (John 3:18). YAH is the name which is above every name, Halleluyah, Praise YAH, Praise YAHSHUA! (www.nazareanministryofyahshua.com)
You really need to pay attention - when it says, above every name, it is obvious that this would not include the one who gave Him His name.
That said, the ongoing issue with this, is that many people today simply cannot be bothered to investigate matters beyond that of proof-texts, and at the cost of the obvious truth.
Verbosity is indicating low I q. Exodus 3:14 original language " existing keeps on existing" kjv( nkjv not good translation). Jesus addresses the Sanhedrin with Exodus 3:14. For a reason!!!! Jews had no doubt what He was claiming. Btw.
@LTL307" I and the Father are one. He who has the son, has rhe Father. He who does not, has not the Father.
@LTL307 I'm the son of a man... does that mean that I am not a man?
@@smalltimer4370 Because the Father gave all things to the Son, YAHSHUA, this makes Him the Most High. I'm sorry you have such a limited understanding of this.
Truth is Simple if you read God's word like a child.
A clear, fresh mind without preconceived ideas stamped upon the brain by sincere yet misled teachers.
John 4:23
Is true worshipers worship The Father of Christ...
What of everyone else?
John 4:24 Jesus as a human said "God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship with spirit and Truth."
At John 20:17 Jesus speaks uses the word My Father and ,My God...
John 14: 6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So as Christians Jesus is the way to the Father ..
The route not the destination.
Like going to the Florida Keys
The "Overseas Hwy"
"Hwy 1" is the ONLY Way there.
So when I reach the Overseas Hwy 1 Bridge should I park and celebrate and invite people to "come join me here at Key West?"
No Key West is still far ahead.
Overseas 1 is the way. The Only to Key West by road.
It would be immature, premature, and show a lack of map knowledge and common sense.
So the same if you Worship Jesus and advertise that he is a Christian's Ultimate, Final destination.
He is the only way to his Father.
Like Overseas Hwy 1 is the Only way to Key West.
But you say: Well this is what my parents taught me and their parents taught them and 6 generations prior.
They all called Manatee Cove Key West and invited guests and visitors from all over the World to joint them there.
They all believed sincerely they had been to Key West.
Then a small group of Christians decides to study the map more closely and the see the majority are misguided or lack the desire or skill to read the entire map for themselves.
They see Key West is far from the preconceived location being pointed to by the majority of misled travelers.
So they point out that yes Hwy 1south is the way.... But Manatee Cove is not Key West
You must travel further. No matter what your parents and grand parents believed and told you.
JWs follow the Only way to the Father. And Jesus is greatly glorified as the Only way to please and worship Jehovah Psalms 83:18 his God and Father 1 Peter 1:3 John 20:17
Revelation 3:12 Matthew 6: 9,10 7:21-24
John 17: 3 puts it simply
Our everlasting life depends on knowing the only true God, the Father. And the one he sent forth to represent him Jesus Christ
Unfortunately for you.......the father tells you to honor the son likeyou honor the father.....So tell us how do you honor the father?
@@KarineSmith-r6w such a reach... Weak
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus is the Way to God. You better honor him. He is The Free Gift.
From God John 3:16,17
To ignore Jesus you are probably a Jew.
Their house is abandoned to themselves.
They are on their own.
We Accept Christ
We , like Christ, Worship his God and Father John 20: 17
1 Peter 1:3, Colossians 1:3
1 Corinthians 11:3 Rev 3:12
@@KarineSmith-r6w John 4:23
Sorry User-
User, when Patchoo says, "weak," it means he can't argue the point, so he just dismisses it. He does the same thing when I show him that the NT authors identify Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God by citing OT Jehovah passages and attributing them to him: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
There's a problem with the sentence "Jesus is not God." Many Protestants call Christ "the Son of God" because they should do that. But too often, they assume that "God" stands instead for God the Father. In fact, I've never heard a Protestant say "God the Son." Mr. White is an adopted son of God, not a natural one, since Our Lord is the Father's only natural one. So, distinctions are essential.
@ngounphearak6266 No human person is all-knowing. Christ is a divine person who adopted a human nature. So, the Nestorian heretics are wrong. Christ is only one person. There aren't two persons sharing his body. His body is part of his human nature. The other part is his human soul. Since his soul is human, he has a human intellect and a human will. He's one person with two natures.
Catholics uses the Greek word "theotokos," which means "God bearer" and "mother of God. "hat's why a Protestant told me that if Mary was God's mother, she would be older than he. There are two problems with that opinion.
First, the Protestant may have meant God the Father. But no Catholic believes that God the Father. Second, "Mother of God" is short for "Mother of God the Son" when Catholics say "Mother of God." Since Christ is God the Son, Mary is his mother. He grew in her womb and he got his human nature from her. If you say Marry is Jesus's mother and that Jesus is not divine, you imply Jesus and Christ were two people or that Mary's son was only human. If he were only human and if I worshiped him, I'd be an idolator.
Why does the sound keep cutting out? This is a bad recording.
Nevermind, there is a youtube glitch (probably intentional).
If Jesus is the son of God and was 2:36 given a message by Gabriel to Mary that she will bare a son from God, that makes Jesus a God as well. Yes, God is the Almighty and Gods spirit lives in Jesus which makes him God he was sent by God to Marry and to fulfill our rightly soul is to act and be of Jesus. We need to believe in Jesus and to be with God we need to Love Jesus first. In the Bible to be with God is to first be with Jesus. You trust in Jesus who is God to be with the almighty God. You cannot have Gods love without the love you should have for Jesus. Jesus is the throne to God that sits next to God. Only Jesus can save you and us. Jesus is the light the Omega and the Alpha. He can only save you. Jesus is God.
That title got my attention and I believe in he's not God. He's a Mighty God just as Isaiah said he'd be and Jehovah is the Almighty God just like Exodus says he is. You people dont read your bible enough to know the difference between the two. Pity!!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Wrong again...........Everywhere you FIND LORD in NEW testament ,"Kyrio,Kyrios,Kupio" its ALWAYS ABOUT CHRIST AND ONLY CHRIST.
You should know that the tetragrammaton is not present in new testament manuscripts at all,so the watchtower had no excuses to add ,when the bible forbidds to add or take off anything from the scripturesso the watchtower added an unknown name "jehova ";unknown from the manuscrripts ,from the apostles,unknown from jesusand inserted that fake name in the new testament with no reasons ,excusable reason.......... and since i repeat again ," er horkomenos " the one who was ,who is ,who is coming the GOD ALMIGHTY ,CAN ONLY APPLY TO JESUS .....so im afraid that the end of the road ........unless you can show "jehova" is coming back ,or the apostles claimed the name jehova as their GOD.......until then ,schuss .......
Then you are a polytheist! I thought there was only one God - Isaiah 44v6.
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Jesus is God Almighty. Learn w scripture. Watch my friend show you scripturally. Then say what u said again.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Exodus 6:2-3 Yep. I got it. Pslm 68:4 (Jah) Pslm 83:18 (Jehovah). Now, JESUS Speaking, Rev 1:8 I am A n O says LORD (Kiryus in Greek) GOD. 1 Cor 12:3 NO MAN CAN SAY JESUS IS LORD apart from Spirit of God Romans 10:9 Confess LORD JESUS you shall be SAVED. 10:13 Jehovah?? Or JESUS? 3 in 1 in essence. Tri-Une GOD.
At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian.
It was not so in the apostolic ages and sup-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings.
"Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics".
The formulation one God in three Persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." -
New Catholic Encyclopedia.
THE ante-Nicene Fathers were acknowledged to have been leading religious teachers in the early centuries after Christ's birth. What they taught is of interest.
Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that Jesus was inferior to God and "never did anything except what the Creator .. willed him to do and say.
"Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him.
He showed that Jesus is not equal to the "One true and only God." who is "supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other."
Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called God the uncreated and imperishable and only true God." He said that the Son is next to the only omnipotent
Father" but not equal to him.
Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed:
"The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater, as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said:
"There was a time when the Son was not.. Before all things, God was alone.
Hippolytus, who died about 235 C.E., said that God is "the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all," who had nothing co-equal of equal age] with him But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before." such as the created prehuman
Origen, who died about 250 C.E... said that 'the Father and Son are two substances two things as to their essence," and that
"compared with the Father, [the Son] is a very small light."
Summing up the historical evidence, Alvan Lamson says in The Church of the First Three Centuries:
The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity .. derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: 'and this observation may be extenced to all the ante-Nicene Fathers that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birth of Christ..
Everything you said was pointless
You missed a few quotes:
Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,
Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and *the ETERNAL high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ,* build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven *who will yet believe in OUR LORD AND GOD Jesus Christ* and in his Father who raised him from the dead.
Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and *also a disciple of John the Apostle.* He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,
Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father *and of JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD;* even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.
Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life *THROUGH THE BLOOD OF GOD* you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.
There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, *God in man,* true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.
For *OUR GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,* was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.
Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished *when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.*
For *OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST* is more visible now that he is in the Father.
*I glorify Jesus Christ, THE GOD WHO MADE YOU SO WISE,* for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: *the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered,* who for our sake endured in every way.
Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.
And that Christ being Lord, *and GOD THE SON OF GOD,* and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.
Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that *CHRIST IS CALLED BOTH GOD AND LORD OF HOSTS.*
Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as *DESERVING TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS GOD AND AS CHRIST.*
The Father of the universe has *a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, IS EVEN GOD.* And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....
For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that *He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.*
Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis.
He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body- *GOD PUT TO DEATH!* ... In order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened- *because THEY SLEW GOD,* who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
Continued...
Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle.
For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that *He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, AND LORD, AND KING ETERNAL, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth.* Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.
He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that *HE WAS VERY GOD,* from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.
*Christ Jesus [is] OUR LORD, AND GOD, and Savior, and King,* according to the will of the invisible Father.
*Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the GOD OF THE LIVING,* who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.
Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and *His essence, that HE IS GOD* (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.
Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes,
This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, *He alone being both, BOTH GOD AND MAN* -the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher *that AS GOD He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.*
For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, *the Divine Word, He that is TRULY MOST MANIFEST DEITY, He that is made EQUAL TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE;* because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....
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The Bible sometimes uses such term to refer to might creatures:
for example Psalm 8:5; 82:1-6; John 10:34,35 (JB)
Satan was also called a god 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Jesus certainly has a greater position far higher than humans, angels or even Satan. Since these are referred to as gods, Jesus can be and is "a god" (NOT Almighty God) Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1.
The Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Filamyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean"the" God, this would then contradict the preceding clause," which says that the Word was WITH God.
Notice, how older translations render this part of the verse:
1808: "and the word was a god."
The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation With a Corrected Text.
1864: "and a god was the word."
The Emphatic Diagiott, interlinear reading, by Beniamin Wilson.
1928. "and the Word was a divine being."
La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: "and the Word was divine*
The Bible An American Translation by
J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946 "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme
1950: "and the Word was a god".
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures
Compare John 1:18
Trinity dogma/doctrine invalid almost all the Bible. God, Jesus, his Apostles and no Bible writer teach this dishonoring creed.
Galatians 1:8
Revelation 22:18-20
@@olusesanmoses413 I don't base my theology on cherry picked quotes, cherry picked verses, cherry picked theologians, cherry picked translations or shallow arguments such as "the bible somtimes referrs to creatures" as gods. So why are you trying to waste my time with this? It doesn't prove anything.
So called biblical scholars don’t know that the words father and son have always meant the same.
In any language these titles mean the same father is the creator of the son. In no language do they mean father is the same person as his son.
Yes, The Father IS NOT the same Person of The Son. Trinitarians do not believe they are the same Person.
Yes they do believe they are the same person. Over the years they have discovered they were wrong. To not admit it they have e come up with different versions.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm No. They do not. Even the oldest Trinitarian creeds are clear on this. I am a Trinitarian. We DO NOT believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are the same PERSON. Rather, they are the same BEING. And those words have two, distinct meanings.
@@thatonechristian2487don’t bother wasting your time
Any christians here have any suggestions on how to witness to baptists and/or anabaptists?
@larysnw418 I mean that, since in order to effectively witness to people that already believe that they are christian, you need to convince them that they aren't really christian; and was wondering if anyone had any specific ideas related to witnessing to these two sects. I know that they're similar, ghats why I grouped them together.
@@carlosa4852 There is a difference between Christian denominations disagreeing on debatable issues and dangerous cults teaching heresies that attack the core tenets of Christianity, so from that perspective your analogy fails. The apostle Paul made it perfectly clear that anyone who teaches a different gospel than the one he taught is accursed. That would especially be the case if it turned out that they are also proven false prophets.
@larysnw418 Larry, that's _not_ what the Bible teaches. If you believe that Ecclesiastes is what God is teaching us to believe then everything is meaningless, and we basically have the same fate as a garden snail.
There is a context to Ecclesaiastes. It is written from the hopeless perspective of life without God. That is why it says that everything is meaningless "under the sun" - or in other words on the earth. Surely you don't believe this too:
"All share a common destiny - the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean" (Ecclesiastes 9:2).
That contradicts everything the gospel teaches!
Furthermore, I have disproven Watchtower theology _countless_ times. It's not that it is difficult to do. It is getting them to listen that is difficult. For example, let me ask you a question that I have asked _countless_ JWs. The vast majority of them do not answer it because it disproves their theology, but they ignore it rather than admit what it says. Here is the question:
In the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:*
"For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9)
Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?*
"For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
@larysnw418 Larry, if you think that the Book of Ecclesaistes is what God is teaching us to believe then you would have to conclude that everything is meaningless, and that we basically have the same fate as a garden snail! (Ecclesiastes 3:19)
When scripture repeats something then you can be sure that God wants us to understand something. The phrase "under the sun" appears no less than 27 times throughout that book! THAT is what defines it's context. The book of Ecclesiastes is written from the hopeless, disillusioned perspective of life "under the sun". What happens above the sun is not included in the equation, which is why the author says that - "everything is meaningless"! God uses this book to help us understand how meaningless life on earth is without him.
Otherwise, do you really think that _THIS_ is what he wants us to believe:
"All share a common destiny - the righteous and the wicked, the good and the bad, the clean and the unclean" (Ecclesiastes 9:2)
You need to read the old testament in the light of the new, not the other way around:
"To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger." (Romans 2:7-8)
If we only take our physical life into consideration what the author of Ecclesaistes says is absolutely true - the fate of one person is the same as the next. And when we die, the rewards that we experience during our physical lifetimes are no longer available to us. The knowledge of what happens "under the sun" is gone.
You should be listening to Jesus, not the Watchtower. Here is what Jesus says:
"But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ *He is not the God of the dead, but of the living,* for to him all are alive.” (Luke 20:37-30)
@larysnw418 Larry can you see the responses I posted to you? UA-cam seems to be playing up for me.
Jesus is God, He is the only King of heaven. Jesus is God because He HAD BEEN the almighty God. God was able to do all his work in the past, before the world began ("the world has not known you"). His power was no necessary any longer so He dismissed it in order to become like a normal man : the Son of God. Thus, the Son is alone in heaven, He sits next to the POWER of God.
You said next to the power of God so Jesus acknowledged he was not God but at the power of God
@@Musicnest.
Jesus sits next to the POWER (of God). The POWER is a THING. "ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the RIGHT HAND OF POWER and appearing in the clouds of heaven."
"When THE SON OF MAN comes with HIS HOLY ANGELS [I.e. the Father is missing], He shall sit upon the throne of His glory. Before Him (not before Son and Father)..." In other words Jesus is the ONLY KING of heaven, alone.
1. "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
2. "The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.'
"Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383).
...The Trinity is a Pagan teaching.
The Word of God trumps the words of men. The Trinity is clearly displayed in Scripture and that is the only opinion that matters. If pagan religions had any belief in a triune god then that just proves the concept that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible and the Bible is very clear Jesus was created and has a God. Trinitarians are Pagans, not Christians.@@emjay_mcri
@@emjay_mcri love it 👍
@jacobfield4848 your reciting jw theology.....what's your scriptural proof Jesus was created?
@@emjay_mcri well said.We know pagans always imitate somehow the truth.......
JESUS IS GOD
Jesus said otherwise - who do you think we should believe?
You can interpret verses any way you want. I’m sticking to what Jesus said, no need for interpretation if you believe him. That’s the problem with this trinity, everyone is trying to to unlock a mystery that is not there. Jesus tels you what he is.
True great comment
What happened to the other thread? It seems that it has disappared. Please let me respond here:
How much you study has nothing to do with whether nor not you understand scripture, which you can only do if you are born again. So instead of boasting about human effort, how about you tell me whether or not you are born again.
And all I did was ask you the following question - a question that you did not answer:
In the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:*
"For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9)
Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?*
"For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
"They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because *you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”* (Luke 19:44)
Who, according to Jesus, came to the Jews?
So do you believe in the Trinity?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Are you going to answer my questions?
We are called to share the gospel but this info is good for conversations after sharing the good news
I’ve been a JW for 63 years now. I certainly hope you don’t plan to send your listener or students out with the incorrect information you gave them. I would feel sorry to have break their spirits because of you. Of course you probably by long gone with you money.
63 years into medieval ignorance. Poor fella
The only thing that is wrong is that you guys changed it . Up to December 2023 everything was accurate. The only change was that now you can be an ex JW after Armageddon and still be alive.
Not correct, only God can say that as he is the only judge. We only say it may be possible for ( some). As I said it’s up to him.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm the governing body said it. So the video is a little outdated now but up until then it was accurate.
@@Reefyeigtthere is no change only clarification. We can’t 21:33 say who will be there, only God can.
merci beaucoup autant d'obscurité dans cet exposé erroné est remarquable docteur
Myhusband hadbeen brianwashed he didnot give any thought tome or our family ,took his life over weall suffered no one cared jw told him to put God first it broken my heart and messed my6lovelychild in there life,
@@GloriaLawrence-vu7cz how did you suffer? Jw husbands are the kindest and most loyal of all faiths because they have to live there life according to Jesus examples as set forth in the scriptures
Talk about twisting the scriptures. My friend if you think Jesus to be God, then I have a question for you : If Jesus is God then WHO was he praying to ? ......If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is !
Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD!
The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father!
SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven:
"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version
So, please read Rev 1:1 which says: "a revelation from Jesus which GOD GAVE HIM"
So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ? Please give us the answer to this ???
They can't answer that Stroud, well they could and they know what his name is, they just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit in their doctrine. The don't get that the Hebrews all along had One God. Jehovah. And they're trying to disregard it just as the copists that removed God's name from the Bible and replaced it with LORD. And today these people think that, that LORD of the old testament is the same Lord in the new testament. They are a joke Stroud.
Rev 1:8
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Isaiah 9-6 calls Jesus Mighty God, Isaiah 10-21 calls the Father Mighty God.
@janetfowell5166 No mame' Janet that Mighty God is Jesus. I don't know what Bible you use but look in an old King James Bible at Exodus 6:3 and see who the Almighty God is. There is a difference between Almighty and Mighty. Almighty means absolute power and no equal. Mighty means powerful and strong. Jesus is the Mighty God. Read that scripture at Isaiah 10:21 and then look at Luke 1:32, 33 those two scriptures from the old testament and the new line up perfectly with who they're talking about. Jehovah or Yahweh God is Almighty Janet, Jesus is a Mighty God. And Isaiah said so. That scripture at 10:21 is Jesus. I hear people ask this question all the time, Is Jesus in the old testament. The answer is Yes he is, he's all over the old testament but people chose not to accept who and what he was at that time. That's on them. The proof is there they just chose to ignore it.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk “Isaiah 44-24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
Notice the Lord didn’t have a little god Jesus as a helper. He was ALONE by himself.
John 1-3 All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.
Col 1-16 All things were created by him and for him.
Great explanation about Trinity but remember it is not Jehovah or Yahwe but a reflection of Elohim you see in Genesis 1/2 and 3 when they were creating humankind( man) in his image - male and female.
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Jesus is not God? Uh, no, he isn't. Instead, Jesus is the Son of God who was sent into the world BY God. As Jesus himself said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:16, 17) 1 John 4:9 adds: "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." So, who was it that came into the world? Was it God himself? Or did God send someone else, namely, his Son, Jesus? The answer should be obvious.
Seriously john 1:1 who is god
@@amithabjose1005 "Seriously john 1:1 who is god."
Seriously, according to your version of John 1:1, if Jesus is God, who was _with_ God? Was he with himself? BTW, did you bother to read my first post?
It's apparent by your questions you didn't listen at all....he did say the trinity was modalism!
*didn't
@@robertmardis2110 "It's apparent by your questions you didn't listen at all....he did say the trinity was modalism!"
I never said anything about modalism. In case you can't read, the name of the bald guy's video is, "Is Jesus God"? Well, in his mind, Jesus is one God and that he is a part of another God who is triune? So, do you believe in two Gods, namely, a oneperson deity and a three-person deity? Or. do you believe in the Father, who Jesus said is "the only true God"? (John 17:3)
Oh, and stop presuming I didn't see the video because I did. If you had really read my post, you would know that I watched the video that just happened to be full of lies.
I’m a Jehovahs Witness for 63 years now. I’ll gladly have a discussion with you here, in other words, I’ll be you Huckleberry lol.
OK, so where do we start?
Lol be careful because I found here that if you hurt there feeling they will not let you comment one thing I can honestly say you being a JW is I could have a conversation with you and disagree and walk away still loving you. But they don't want to hear the truth here.
If they truly done there home work they would find how the false Trinity doctrine came to be it being truly a false God doctrine adopted in most religions today hum maybe that's what God ment when he said many are called but few are chosen do to the fact that most people lean on men to teach them instead of studying Scripture.
True there is one god Jehovah and one son who he had begotten Jesus Christ.
@@paulbrennan4163John the 14th chapter is a great place to start Jesus said what the father has given him, you are one like the father and I are one, the father is greater than I am, what the father has commanded me to do, need to go on there are many scriptures that proves the Trinity doctrine to be false I just don't have time here to prove my whole point or Id be writing the Bible all over again here. But want to debate I will I love the Lord Jehovah and his most precious son Jesus Christ so let's see if there is away to discuss it. I know my Bible very well and I'll let the Bible speak for it's self.
I know you believe in the Trinity but I love you enough to teach you the truth on this matter because at one time I could have believed it.
@@Musicnest. No, it's not the publishers of this video who are deleting comments, it is UA-cam. This is happening _everywhere._ It seems that they have changed some algorithm so that it has become a little over-sensitive... to say the least!
OK, I'm going to address your comments in a few hours if I have time, because it is almost 1 a.m. where I am. Catch you later!
@@paulbrennan4163 ok have a great night be safe by the way your the same age as I am oh lol better not say I am here they might think we're a Trinity. I was born 10/28/1960
Would love to see White debate Greg Stafford again on the deity of Christ.
Matthew, 10:26-28, Jesus, whispered to them these scriptures, @Deut, 32:39 /1st, Samuel, 2:6-7 /2nd, Kings, 5:7, and said, "FEAR JEHOVAH, Acts, 5:28-31,
Professor White, then they take it to the Gov body and change the text. Re: psalms to hebrews 1 10-16 , I think it was.
Titus 2 : 13 they changed
You know many people don't even realize or notice that Jesus was called mighty god not Almighty. Jehovah god is the Almighty god the father is noted as being the almighty god if one studies they will find out why his father aloud him to be called mighty god, heres a clue he died for our sins.
Jehovah sent his son Jesus
@@Musicnest. Yes, he sent his Son. So in the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:*
"For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9)
Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?*
"For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
In a post Christian world it is now hard to distinguish any true religion or Cult ?...I say Christianity itself has become sort of like a tower a Babel itself with confusing dogmas and confusing biblical interpretation.
What part of, "GOD the FATHER," do people not understand?
Fall in eternity will not happen as
We have cleansed our sinful body And Jehovah is with the nations forever after Satan has been abyssed forever , the earth has been cleansed and I don’t think anyone will want to return to the erroneous times of today
1 Cor 8:56 is not an expansion of the Shema Israel ( Sh'ma Yisrael) (@ 56:49 time)
Yahusha's Name was altered to become IESU, then ISA for Arabs. The Name Yahusha was replaced by the corruption IESU placed into the Latin Vulgate in the 5th century CE.
Eventually the corrupted form, IESU, evolved to become JESUS in the 17th century CE for English readers. The lastest form was never seen until the later 17th century. The world has accepted this form, but the Eberith Name of the Mashiak is still YAHUSHA, meaning "I am your Deliverer." JESUS has no meaning in any language on Earth, but came about by the philosophies of men.
H3091 YAHUSHA (correct transliteration)
H3068 YAHUAH (correct transliteration) This became JEHOVAH due to 8th century CE vowel distortions.
H3444 YESHUA (incorrect word for the Name, but a common word meaning "deliverance.")
So what do you think he means when he says “my God”? Do you think his confused?
No, I’m referring to John 20:11 where in in his own words he said “my father, my God”. This is not trinity, it’s from the mouth of one of the so called trios. In no place did Jesus give an idea that he was the father nor even equal to the father. Many like to bring up the Greek language in some of the verses used for the trinity. However, many forget that also in Greek the words father and son have the same meaning as English. Father is always the greater, or makes be the Son. in non of the three biblical languages does father and son identify the same person. Also, it really surprises me that although its common knowledge the trinity was only made up in the fourth century, people stick to it as if it was a teaching of Jesus and Apostles. The greater part of Christianity has to admit they have been wrong and move on.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Scripture itself explains why Jesus _had_ to have a God:
"For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, *in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest **_IN SERVICE TO GOD,_* and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people." (Hebrews 2:17)
How could Jesus possibly be high priest "in service to God" unless he had a God to serve? And he did this not because he was not God himself, but in order to fulfill the legal requirements he needed to satisfy in order to be mediator between man and God.
And as for the Father being greater I posted this in another thread that you started, so either you missed it or chose to ignore it. Here it is again:
Guoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them.
Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death-
even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8)
Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage".
We also see that it is Jesus himself who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - voluntarily.
So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, his divine privileges and volutarily take on a lesser form?
One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels.
In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity.
So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did without making himself dependent on the Father?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Now you tried to "refute" Philippians 2:6-8 by appealing to other translations - a common trick pulled by Jehovah's wittnesses - but you failed to prove that the translation used was incorrect.
That is why I asked you that following questions that you also ignored:
1. Are you an accredited Biblical scholar who has the competance to prove your claim that the translation I used is wrong?
2. Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Why did you ignore them?
If you can show me a verse that says I have to be an accredited scholar to understand the Bible I will declare you the Victor
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm I never said you did. But _you_ were the one who threw in the argument that there are other translations of the verse I quoted. So please explain this. Why is it you, as a Jehovah's Witness, appeal to other translations and yet ignore them when it suits you. Take John 1:1 for example. How many other translations render this verse as saying "a god"? Here you _totally_ ignore other translations and yet when it suits you you try to muddy the stream with arguments that you don't even master yourself.
John3:5- * "l am telling you the truth,"replied Jesus."that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.Amen*.John14:6-Jesus answered him,"l am the way ,the truth, and the life,* no one goes to the Father except by me.Amen. *
Amen no one goes to the father but through him. He is the channel between God and men a mediator between God and men Jesus Christ so how can anyone say he is God there is only one god the father in whom all things are and to his Christ.
It is also mentioned that we belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God so how could he be God.
Truly he is God's son
I liked how you put it great job
Yes it's amazing!
50:38 which verse in John 13 does he mean?
He is referring to verse 19. In Isaiah YHWH is speaking prophetically:
“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
*so that you may know and believe me*
*and understand that I am he."* (Isaiah 43:10)
And here is what Jesus says in John 13:
"I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen *you will believe that I am he."* (John 13:19)
I'm not sure what your position is, but if you want I can expland on this even more and prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that both Jesus and the Father go by the name YHWH. There are a couple of things that Jesus says repeatedly throughout the gospel that everyone misses that have to do with his true identity and when and how his identity was to be revealed.
@@paulbrennan4163wow thank you so much for clearly showing the scriptures he’s referring too
Jesus was actually ACCUSED of "making himself God" by the Jews! How did he reply? did he say "Yes of course I am!" Just read what HE HIMSELF SAID about himself "I AM TH SON OF GOD". Read John 10:33-36. Then in Gethsemene. He told Mary "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" ( John 20:17). The bible is clear JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT THE SON OF GOD! To clinch it, what did he say on the cross? "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast though forsaken me?" Dont believe mens view of Jesus!
Unitarians attempt to use Jesus’ words in John 10:34-38 to claim that Jesus was correcting the Jew’s misconception that he was claiming to be God. This is a monumental failure to comprehend the text.
The Jewish leaders asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Christ (or “Messiah”). The Jews had a misconception about what the Messiah would be and “most were eagerly awaiting a political messiah who would overthrow the harsh Roman rule,”(1) so Jesus couldn’t give a simple yes/no answer. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God who was doing the work of his Father. Yes, Jesus’s claim to be one with the Father was a claim of ontological identity with the Father.(2) The “Father and Son are indistinguishable in purpose and nature but distinguishable in person. As in 8:58, Jesus’ claim here forms a climax to a discourse and prompts an attempt to stone him to death.”(3)
The Jews called God their Father (Joh 8:41) but they recognized that Jesus was claiming a unique status when he claimed that he and the Father were one (10:30). They rightly understood that Jesus claimed to be God but misunderstood the claim as a breach of monotheism. Remember the context of the passage, this is the feast of dedication. The Seleusian ruler Antiochus IV claimed to be God, stopped Jewish worship in the temple and sacrificed a pig to Zeus-which led to the Maccabbean revolt, and eventually the reclaiming and rededication of the temple (of which this feast in John 10 commemorates). However, unlike Antiochus, “Jesus’ claim did not imply that he was a second God alongside, and in addition to, God the Father (ditheism), but that his deity was to be accommodated within the framework of Jewish monotheism in such a way that the one and only God affirmed in the Shema could be subsumed under the notion of Father, Son, and Spirit-three in one-being God.”(4)
When Jesus was about to be stoned, he asked them for their judgment. They responded by saying that Jesus, a man, was making himself God (10:33). The irony is that John’s reader knows something these characters don’t-Jesus _is_ God (Joh 1:1, 18). “Jesus is ‘not a human making himself God, but God already made human,’ as the reader knows from 1:14.”(5)
Now, Jesus employs a rabbinical argument of lesser to the greater. If people could be called “gods” (θεοί) because God had placed them in roles of authority (Psa 82, Exo 7:1), if lessor mediators could be called “gods,” how could “they accuse him-the One and Only Son sent by the Father-of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God?”(6) Jesus pointed out that his works confirmed his identity. Jesus’ statement is not a claim that everyone can be called “god,” but that the scriptures supported those whom God had placed in the role of God, ie. designated roles of authority, to be called “god.” Nor is Jesus’ statement a denial that he is God, but that he is justified to be called the “Son of God” because of his ontological identity with the Father (10:30; which falls under the framework of monotheism) which his works bear testimony to. Jesus is saying, if lessor people can be called “god” (a greater title than “Son of God”) because of the position of authority they have been given, you can't object to me claiming to be the Son of God, which is not a title that makes me a second god in addition to God, but though it identifies me as Yahweh, it conforms to our sense of monotheism. If you don't believe that I'm the second person of Yahweh, look at my works, they confirm who I claim to be.
(1) Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus, 2nd Edition : A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020), 175.
(2) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, Feast of Dedication.
(3) Harris, John, Feast of Dedication.
(4) Andreas J. Köstenberger, A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters : The Word, the Christ, the Son of God (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2009), ePub, Jewish Monotheism.
(5) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 827.
(6) Strauss, Four Portraits, 263.
First question, no I am not an accredited Biblical Scholar. However, neither were Jesus nor his apostles, yet they took on the educated of that time. Do I deed to prove your translation is incorrect? No. Your Bible is perfectly fine, if you know how to use it.
Second question. Does it matter if I’m a Jehovah’s Witness? The Bible is the Bible no mater what denomination you or I belong to.
What matters is whether or not you turn to Christ in order to understand the truth, and that is where the problem starts with you being a Jehovah's witness. You are taught that you need the Watchtower organization in order to interpret scripture. There is nothing in scripture that supports such a claim. You are also taught that you are not born again unless you are one of the 144,000 - something that _no_ translation anywhere says.
And why is that a problem? Well firstly Paul tells us that the Gospel is veiled to those you are PERISHING:
"And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing."
Do you want to perish? If not then you need to put your faith in the following which speaks about the blindness of the Jews:
"But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because *ONLY IN CHRIST IS IT TAKEN AWAY."*
So let me ask you: Have you even turned to Christ and prayed to him? I doubt that you have because you have been taught that only the Father is God and so you should not pray to Jesus, right?
I'm sorry to say this but what the watchtower teaches is diabolical.
I do not see the cross references in the most recent version of there so called translation.
The audio dropping in and out crazy.
you are contradicting your own doctrine,your doctrine is the holy spirit is not a person" while your teaching is the holy spirit is third person of god
" trinitarian monotheism"
now you are telling that the holy spirit is not god but a force
Please try listening to the video. Dr. White believes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct subsistences (persons) of the one God.
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Oh oh Matthew 16:15 & 16
So who is The Living God Peter Spoke of?
Whoever he is, he is the Father and God of Jesus John 3:16
John 20:17
Exodus 3:15
Psalm 83:18
Revelation 3:12
1 Peter 1:3
John 4:23
John 17:3
Matthew 7:21-24
Pray for Holy Spirit. Be Meek.
Prob 3:5&6
Also John 20:21...just as my Father sent me, I am sending you..
John 14:6 no one comes to the Father except through me
John 13:1 Jesus knew his hour would come that he should depart out of this world, unto the Father
John 12: 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say and what I speak
Just to name a few....clearly this man is anti reason
Thank U...❤
All things were created by Jesus for Jesus, everything seen and invisible, there is nothing made that was not made by Jesus.
@shawnlauderdale6502 Creation is from the Father and through the Son. 1 Cor 8:6 The Father is the Creator
How did they come up with 20 million ppl count?
The problem in talking to the Jehovah Witnesses about trinity is that both the witnesses and the Christian talking to the witnesses are not knowledgeable about this topic. Why not talk to them about their false beliefs or prophecy’s. Most of them have no clue that this existed. The Watchtower erased this history from their library, the second generation teaching is also a point that no JW can explain to you because it’s something the Watchtower made up and does not exist in the Bible. The Bible clearly states that if a Prophet speaks about a year that the world would end in the name of God and it does not happen that person or Organization is a false prophet , they have done this 6 times. After you lay this fact they can not dispute it. In other words go after the history of their organization and you can easily destroy them .
Where do you get JW’s have false beliefs? Since you claim they prophecy, present one prophecy in the Bible that was revealed by another prophecy
@@jahtruthdefenderHe pointed out that the JW Leadership gave public false revelation many times along with a bad translation = all of this should be set aside.
It’s a bummer that Protestant and Catholic orgs follow the Catholic/Demonic Trinity doctrine. God (YHWH) gave us the Shema prayer and Christ repeated the Shema as the highest command from God. Men should not divide what God says is one (unity in Greek).
@@soundlycreative Sorry I missed who pointed it out and what that is?
Because neither James or George has answered my question..
Totally agree on the "Shema Yisrael"
So, that would be your goal in witnessing to them? To “destroy” them? Don’t you think that’s a little hateful? Whatever happened to that “love your enemies” business? You pseudo-Christians are something else. But Jesus knows your hearts!
I acknowledge that the witness really believe that they have the truth and I love them all very much I was one till I started studying my Bible and found that they are brained washed by intelligent reasoning but many witnesses who read their Bible are sincere and I too was one and it was hard by my reading of scriptures that I was taught wrongly.
Like the sheep who are not of this fold or as they say the great crowd when you study you find that the other sheep were brought in to the fold by every nation and tongue.
Are you saying yes to the God of Jesus?
Mathew 10:33/ Luke 12:9, he has denied Christ, just as copeland and the prosperity wolfpack has, compare Trumps walk in Christ compared to copelands/osteen/meyers/moore/furtick/jakes, who is actually a real believer according to scripture Mathew 10:22
@@DC-gp3vn is this a yes to the God of Jesus?
Whoever wrote the book of Hebrews interjected But to the Son he said: the remaining two verses is taken directly from Psalm 45:6-7 word for word. Colossians 1:14-15 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first BORN of creation. Rev. 3:14 These things says the Amen the faithful and true witness, the “beginning of the CREATION of God”. Paul admonishes us to study (not merely read) the Bible to be approved of God. I am NOT a JW
Col 1:15-16 shows that Jesus is preeminent OVER all creation BECAUSE he created all things.
Rev 3:14 shows that he is the RULER of God's creation (NIV).
And what is Heb 1:10-12 a citation of? In the OT citation, who is being addressed?
Very well said but it's so sad they have eyes but they do not see ears but they do not hear.
I'm not a JW either and we both know the Trinity doctrine is false I applaud you for telling the truth on this subject because God is picking people not religion or man made doctrines good job .😂😂😂😂😂
@@Musicnest. my friend, anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus is God is blind.
You say you're not a JW, then tell me, who is Jesus to you?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 our mediator and savior sent by his Father Jehovah. I'm
Not a JW but they know that Jehovah God is not Jesus. In the old Testament God spoke about his son and he would be prince of peace.
The old testament declared the coming of Gods son. If you look at PS the 2 chapter it tells you how God,his father had begotten him and commanded even the angels to worship him. The Father was well pleased with his son there by giving him all things even all judgment was in his power. The trinitarian doctrine for those who try to prove Jesus is God is when he said before Abraham I am but all the angels could say that since they to were before Abraham.
Before my son I am but my son is not me but he is a spitting image even acts like me but we are different just like Yah and Jesus.
A son by procreation is not greater than his father.
In Revelation Jesus spoke about being the first of all creation.
He also said that his disciples would be granted to sit down on his throne like his father let him sit down by him
@@Musicnest. you went on a rant but didn't tell me who Jesus is to you. Is he an angel? Is he just a man? Who is he?
Jesus did say in scripture to keep on the watch and that is just what the witnesses are doing and helping others observe scripture also , Jws are the light that gets brighter , ready to make the necessary adjustments as new light becomes apparent.
So you say God says X and then you say God says X is not true and you call that new light? Then you say God now says X is true again. Your god can't make his mind up.
The one true God isn't like that. How do you explain false prophecies? What should we do with false prophets?
what is the meaning of the word jehova?
His name (Jehovah) in Hebrew comes from a verb that means, “He Causes to Become.” As the Creator of all things, he not only “caused” the physical universe and intelligent beings to exist, but he continues to cause his will and purpose to be realized. His name reveals an aspect of his personality, showing that he “becomes” whatever is needed in any circumstance to fulfill his purpose.
@@tobeornottobe50'Jehovah ' is not the biblical goods name
@@MrDessirius I don’t know what that means. “Jehovah is not the biblical goods name.”
As to the state of someone when they die ecclesiastics 9-5.