How To Witness To a Jehovah’s Witness
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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This is mind blowing 🤯 for me! Very insightful and appreciated the way he explains the scriptures with the context. My in-laws have been stuck in this cult for over 50 years, I pray for them everyday.
My sis got in at 19, died at 73 in it.
As a person having been raised in the JWs, I find it hilarious just the thought of "witnessing to a Witness" 😂 It´s turning the tables on them, ha ha. All those years walking door to door with my mom, I never experienced anyone doing that, I would have loved to see it, she would have been completely floored 😅😅
@@pigdestr0yer1973 was your mother a good and loving mother ?
@@pamelasloan1664 She was good in some ways, pretty bad in other ways. Why?
@@pigdestr0yer1973 just wondering i guess, I had a JW mum she was a little strict but she was a loving mother who couldn't do enough for us, Dad wasn't a witness but he was the opposite I can say that My father could have learnt to be a better person if he had taken the same faith as my mum
Even a Christian cannot brush aside the worship of Jehovah as God. In Revelation 1:5 the Son of God called himself "Jesus Christ, 'The Faithful Witness.'" When on earth as a man he was a Jew, an Israelite, to whose nation the words of Isaiah 43:10 were written: "'You are my witnesses, 'is the utterance of Jehovah, 'even my servant whom I have chosen.'" Jesus demonstrated that he was a faithful and true witness of Jehovah God. His genuine disciples today must be the same kind of witnesses, Jehovah's.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the farthest parts of the earth.”
(Acts 1:8 NET)
Jesus Witnesses!
You attempt to bypass Jesus but it wont work out for you in the end. Nobody comes to the Father except through him and contrary to what you said, there are indeed several verses identifying all three "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" as fully God. Those who bypass Christ will be told in the end "depart from me i never knew you". JW's are in error and their doctrine is beyond false. At the end of the day its very simple. The only ones who end up falling for false teachings are those who dont truly know their bible. No true born again and spirit led believer will ever end up in a place that teaches unbiblical nonsense and twists the word of God like JW do and have done. If you are one, learn the history and realize how many of their prophecies failed utterly, which was the very reason couple decades ago that many left this cult
You have been lied to about orthodox Christianity John. This comment made no sense
Watchtower used the Greber bible as source. The greber bible used a spirit medium to translate it. Literally inspired by demons. The JW bible is demon inspired
Pray for the JW's that their eyes are opened to the truth.
Our eyes are already open that is why we don’t believe in the likes of the Trinity which took 100’s of years to form after the last apostle to what we have today
Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil.
A person is either a child of God or a child of the devil (1John 3:10). Most JWs will admit that they aren't born again (children of God), which means they are children of...?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth Hahahahaha Yes, they are blinded by their father the devil.
You need to take a good look in the mirror. You are by far the worst serpent I've had the displeasure of debating with
Jah, are you a child of God? Yes or no?
@@BasicBiblicalTruth So you want to give me another yes or no question
I will give this closed question the same respect you gave my closed question. *That is without an answer either way*
And you can take that as you wish
Here is a question that JWs cannot answer:
What objective evidence do JW's have that Jesus chose a Faithful and Discrete Slave in 1919? (Please give me objective evidence, not subjective.)
They don't even understand what Jesus ment when he said before Abraham I am,
I have to show one thing from Scripture John 14 28 Jesus said the father is greater then I am in the same chapter he told all his disciples you are one just like the father and me are one. One means simply unity not that everyone is one so what in essence he's saying is we are equal to God, and not one of us is equal to God.
Psalms 2 tells us how Jesus was begotten by the father, when he went back to heaven and the father told all the angels to worship him. The only way they can explain this is he's God but that's not true if you read revelation Jesus told some of those who received their heavenly glory said he would make those who say they are Jews but are not he would make them come and worship at their feet.
I said nothing harmful or disrespectful I was raised to study and I am also a scholar if people are not seeking truth from Scripture and commenting on their beliefs what good is the comment section people can disagree and still love and respect others beliefs.
So in essence if I speak lies prove it because I to believed like most people here but found what I was taught was wrong so if I'm wrong prove it to me I've been proven wrong before that's why I believe now the way I believe. It is very serious to learn about god and each and everyone of us must get it right.
So I will say sorry for hurting anyone's feelings because it was intended for people to study there Bibles, and not to just listen to everything people say is gospel.
The audio dropping in and out crazy.
brilliant mr white
2 Timothy 3:13
I watched the debate several times and Dr. White cannot proved his stand about the Trinity because he cannot read in the Bible that Jesus says that he is God. What he presented is only his opinion and no bible verses.
@@vanvelasco8240 for a start Greg Stafford had ni scriptural stand for the debate with the "a god"...
Thé bible teaches clearly: there are NO gods besides GOD......those called gods arent....deutero 32:39;psalms 115:4;isaiah 44,45,46,47,48,etc....following bible standards there are NO gods besides GOD,jws make Jésus bé a false god.
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus never claimed that he is God because he recognized his Father as the true God ( John 17:1-3). Also Jesus knows that the true God is a spirit with no flesh and bones ( John 4:24) and God never dies ( 1 Timothy 6:16) but Christ died although he was resurrected by God.
@@vanvelasco8240God The Father called the Son (Jesus Christ) God Hebrews 1:8 AND gave Jesus Christ all his God The Father’s Authority to Judge Completely mankind, causing Jesus to become God and Father first to the church Ephesians 1:22-23, 4:6, and, during the millennium, to all the world Daniel 7:13-14, Psalm 110:1 and 1st Corinthians 15:24-28.
Who spoke from above when Christ was baptized. Who did he pray to in the garden before he was arrested? Who was he speaking to when he asked could the cup be removed? Was he talking to himself when he said, thy will shall be done. On his resurrection when Mary went to embrace him, what did he say? Did the early church get confused by the Muslim question "Do you have two gods, for we only have one? Then to add to the confusion there is mention of God the father Christ the son and the holy spirt which is three spiritual identities all rolled into one. Many Christens pray to the two and hang onto on the promise of the Son.
JESUS IS GOD
Jesus said otherwise - who do you think we should believe?
1 Cor 8:56 is not an expansion of the Shema Israel ( Sh'ma Yisrael) (@ 56:49 time)
Dr. White, the silence is a compliment and testament to your work. Thank you, Dr. White.
@LTL307 apologies, I don't know who you're referring to.
@LTL307 loll...........hilarious............james white accept as a trinitarian all bible verses....not the case of unitarians and jws..........they only accept verses that suits their dogmas ,reject and fight the legitimacy of verses about Christ divinity...........
@LTL307 you don t know the bible.
@@grahamtrout9441 he is refeeing to james white.
@@sylvie-j4i WE "Only use Scriptures that suit our
Dogmas?" HA! Those Scriptures contain CLEAR CONTEXT,
Not something WE simply Apply to them. Do YOU not, "Pick
and Choose" Scripture??
I'd be Delighted to match you....Scripture for Scripture, with added
COMMENTARY.
I will not only Offer many Scriptures, I will add Commentary to
YOUR Scriptures, my friend.
And then I will challenge you to provide Convincing rebuttal of
Both the Scriptures I offer, AND, the Commentary.
Are you Game??
Respectfully.
So called biblical scholars don’t know that the words father and son have always meant the same.
In any language these titles mean the same father is the creator of the son. In no language do they mean father is the same person as his son.
Yes, The Father IS NOT the same Person of The Son. Trinitarians do not believe they are the same Person.
Yes they do believe they are the same person. Over the years they have discovered they were wrong. To not admit it they have e come up with different versions.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm No. They do not. Even the oldest Trinitarian creeds are clear on this. I am a Trinitarian. We DO NOT believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are the same PERSON. Rather, they are the same BEING. And those words have two, distinct meanings.
@@thatonechristian2487don’t bother wasting your time
At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian.
It was not so in the apostolic ages and sup-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings.
"Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics".
The formulation one God in three Persons was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." -
New Catholic Encyclopedia.
THE ante-Nicene Fathers were acknowledged to have been leading religious teachers in the early centuries after Christ's birth. What they taught is of interest.
Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all things." He said that Jesus was inferior to God and "never did anything except what the Creator .. willed him to do and say.
"Irenaeus, who died about 200 C.E., said that the prehuman Jesus had a separate existence from God and was inferior to him.
He showed that Jesus is not equal to the "One true and only God." who is "supreme over all, and besides whom there is no other."
Clement of Alexandria, who died about 215 C.E., called God the uncreated and imperishable and only true God." He said that the Son is next to the only omnipotent
Father" but not equal to him.
Tertullian, who died about 230 C.E., taught the supremacy of God. He observed:
"The Father is different from the Son (another), as he is greater, as he who begets is different from him who is begotten; he who sends, different from him who is sent." He also said:
"There was a time when the Son was not.. Before all things, God was alone.
Hippolytus, who died about 235 C.E., said that God is "the one God, the first and the only One, the Maker and Lord of all," who had nothing co-equal of equal age] with him But he was One, alone by himself; who, willing it, called into being what had no being before." such as the created prehuman
Origen, who died about 250 C.E... said that 'the Father and Son are two substances two things as to their essence," and that
"compared with the Father, [the Son] is a very small light."
Summing up the historical evidence, Alvan Lamson says in The Church of the First Three Centuries:
The modern popular doctrine of the Trinity .. derives no support from the language of Justin [Martyr]: 'and this observation may be extenced to all the ante-Nicene Fathers that is, to all Christian writers for three centuries after the birth of Christ..
Everything you said was pointless
You missed a few quotes:
Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,
Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and *the ETERNAL high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ,* build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven *who will yet believe in OUR LORD AND GOD Jesus Christ* and in his Father who raised him from the dead.
Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and *also a disciple of John the Apostle.* He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,
Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father *and of JESUS CHRIST OUR GOD;* even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.
Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life *THROUGH THE BLOOD OF GOD* you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.
There is only one physician, who is both flesh and spirit, born and unborn, *God in man,* true life in death, both from Mary and from God, first subject to suffering and then beyond it, Jesus Christ our Lord.
For *OUR GOD, JESUS THE CHRIST,* was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.
Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished *when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.*
For *OUR GOD JESUS CHRIST* is more visible now that he is in the Father.
*I glorify Jesus Christ, THE GOD WHO MADE YOU SO WISE,* for I observed that you are established in an unshakable faith, having been nailed, as it were, to the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Wait expectantly for the one who is above time: *the Eternal, the Invisible, who for our sake became visible; the Intangible, the Unsuffering, who for our sake suffered,* who for our sake endured in every way.
Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.
And that Christ being Lord, *and GOD THE SON OF GOD,* and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.
Permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that *CHRIST IS CALLED BOTH GOD AND LORD OF HOSTS.*
Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as *DESERVING TO BE WORSHIPPED, AS GOD AND AS CHRIST.*
The Father of the universe has *a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, IS EVEN GOD.* And of old He appeared in the shape of fire and in the likeness of an angel to Moses and to the other prophets; but now in the times of your reign, having, as we before said, become Man by a virgin....
For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that *He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.*
Melito of Sardis (died c. AD 180) was the bishop of the church in Sardis.
He that hung up the earth in space was Himself hanged up; He that fixed the heavens was fixed with nails; He that bore up the earth was born up on a tree; the Lord of all was subjected to ignominy in a naked body- *GOD PUT TO DEATH!* ... In order that He might not be seen, the luminaries turned away, and the day became darkened- *because THEY SLEW GOD,* who hung naked on the tree.... This is He who made the heaven and the earth, and in the beginning, together with the Father, fashioned man; who was announced by means of the law and the prophets; who put on a bodily form in the Virgin; who was hanged upon the tree; who was buried in the earth; who rose from the place of the dead, and ascended to the height of heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father.
Continued...
Irenaeus of Lyons (AD 130-202) was bishop of Lugdunum in Gaul, which is now Lyons, France. Irenaeus was born in Smyrna in Asia Minor, where he studied under bishop Polycarp, who in turn had been a disciple of John the Apostle.
For I have shown from the Scriptures, that no one of the sons of Adam is as to everything, and absolutely, called God, or named Lord. But that *He is Himself in His own right, beyond all men who ever lived, GOD, AND LORD, AND KING ETERNAL, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets, the apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth.* Now, the Scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man.... He is the holy Lord, the Wonderful, the Counselor, the Beautiful in appearance, and the Mighty God, coming on the clouds as the Judge of all men;-all these things did the Scriptures prophesy of Him.
He received testimony from all that He was very man, and that *HE WAS VERY GOD,* from the Father, from the Spirit, from angels, from the creation itself, from men, from apostate spirits and demons.
*Christ Jesus [is] OUR LORD, AND GOD, and Savior, and King,* according to the will of the invisible Father.
*Christ Himself, therefore, together with the Father, is the GOD OF THE LIVING,* who spoke to Moses, and who was also manifested to the fathers.
Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and *His essence, that HE IS GOD* (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man.... [W]e should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.
Clement of Alexandria (AD 150-215) was another early church father. He wrote around AD 200. He writes,
This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well-being, this very Word has now appeared as man, *He alone being both, BOTH GOD AND MAN* -the Author of all blessings to us; by whom we, being taught to live well, are sent on our way to life eternal.... The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher *that AS GOD He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends.*
For it was not without divine care that so great a work was accomplished in so brief a space by the Lord, who, though despised as to appearance, was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Savior, the clement, *the Divine Word, He that is TRULY MOST MANIFEST DEITY, He that is made EQUAL TO THE LORD OF THE UNIVERSE;* because He was His Son, and the Word was in God....
@@paulbrennan4163
The Bible sometimes uses such term to refer to might creatures:
for example Psalm 8:5; 82:1-6; John 10:34,35 (JB)
Satan was also called a god 2 Corinthians 4:4.
Jesus certainly has a greater position far higher than humans, angels or even Satan. Since these are referred to as gods, Jesus can be and is "a god" (NOT Almighty God) Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1.
The Journal of Biblical Literature, edited by Jesuit Joseph A. Filamyer, notes that if the latter part of John 1:1 were interpreted to mean"the" God, this would then contradict the preceding clause," which says that the Word was WITH God.
Notice, how older translations render this part of the verse:
1808: "and the word was a god."
The New Testament in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation With a Corrected Text.
1864: "and a god was the word."
The Emphatic Diagiott, interlinear reading, by Beniamin Wilson.
1928. "and the Word was a divine being."
La Bible du Centenaire, L'Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel.
1935: "and the Word was divine*
The Bible An American Translation by
J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1946 "and of a divine kind was the Word." Das Neue Testament, by Ludwig Thimme
1950: "and the Word was a god".
New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures
Compare John 1:18
Trinity dogma/doctrine invalid almost all the Bible. God, Jesus, his Apostles and no Bible writer teach this dishonoring creed.
Galatians 1:8
Revelation 22:18-20
@@olusesanmoses413 I don't base my theology on cherry picked quotes, cherry picked verses, cherry picked theologians, cherry picked translations or shallow arguments such as "the bible somtimes referrs to creatures" as gods. So why are you trying to waste my time with this? It doesn't prove anything.
Would love to see White debate Greg Stafford again on the deity of Christ.
I’ve been a JW for 63 years now. I certainly hope you don’t plan to send your listener or students out with the incorrect information you gave them. I would feel sorry to have break their spirits because of you. Of course you probably by long gone with you money.
63 years into medieval ignorance. Poor fella
The only thing that is wrong is that you guys changed it . Up to December 2023 everything was accurate. The only change was that now you can be an ex JW after Armageddon and still be alive.
Not correct, only God can say that as he is the only judge. We only say it may be possible for ( some). As I said it’s up to him.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm the governing body said it. So the video is a little outdated now but up until then it was accurate.
@@Reefyeigtthere is no change only clarification. We can’t 21:33 say who will be there, only God can.
I’m a Jehovahs Witness for 63 years now. I’ll gladly have a discussion with you here, in other words, I’ll be you Huckleberry lol.
OK, so where do we start?
Lol be careful because I found here that if you hurt there feeling they will not let you comment one thing I can honestly say you being a JW is I could have a conversation with you and disagree and walk away still loving you. But they don't want to hear the truth here.
If they truly done there home work they would find how the false Trinity doctrine came to be it being truly a false God doctrine adopted in most religions today hum maybe that's what God ment when he said many are called but few are chosen do to the fact that most people lean on men to teach them instead of studying Scripture.
True there is one god Jehovah and one son who he had begotten Jesus Christ.
@@paulbrennan4163John the 14th chapter is a great place to start Jesus said what the father has given him, you are one like the father and I are one, the father is greater than I am, what the father has commanded me to do, need to go on there are many scriptures that proves the Trinity doctrine to be false I just don't have time here to prove my whole point or Id be writing the Bible all over again here. But want to debate I will I love the Lord Jehovah and his most precious son Jesus Christ so let's see if there is away to discuss it. I know my Bible very well and I'll let the Bible speak for it's self.
I know you believe in the Trinity but I love you enough to teach you the truth on this matter because at one time I could have believed it.
@@Musicnest. No, it's not the publishers of this video who are deleting comments, it is UA-cam. This is happening _everywhere._ It seems that they have changed some algorithm so that it has become a little over-sensitive... to say the least!
OK, I'm going to address your comments in a few hours if I have time, because it is almost 1 a.m. where I am. Catch you later!
@@paulbrennan4163 ok have a great night be safe by the way your the same age as I am oh lol better not say I am here they might think we're a Trinity. I was born 10/28/1960
John was the only one born with the Holy Ghost while in the womb, as Jesus is one with the Father, 1 John 5:7-8.
I urge you to read the Old Testament IN FULL, the character and temper of the OT god in no way resembles Jesus. It’s two completely different characters with very different views of the law. Almost like someone wrote the New Testament and added in a bunch of so called “letters” to create and ending to the book. These are not the same.
How to witness to a trinitarian….
Jesus said the Father alone is the true God.
John 17:1,3
In JW theology Jesus is Michael the archangel. But have JWs ever thought about what the GB alleges in this claim? Consider how ridiculous their claim is:
1. Jehovah created Michael the archangel, a demigod who creates everything on behalf of Jehovah (contrary to Isa 44:24 & 45:12).
2. Michael ceases to exist.
3. Jehovah creates the human Jesus (who has no correspondence with Michael. There was no incarnation of Michael, rather, at some point Micahael ceased to exist and Jesus was created. So why Michael had to be annihilated I do not know. This belief also contradicts the Gospels account that Jesus “came down from heaven”).
4. Jesus lives, dies, and ceases to exist.
5. Jesus 2.0 is created (which JWs call resurrection, but is not the same as the Jewish/Christian concept of resurrection).
6. Jesus 2.0 (another human Jesus) hangs out with the disciples for 40 days and then … what? JWs aren’t really sure on this point.
7. Jesus 2.0 ceases to exist somehow and Jesus 3.0 (a spirit creature) begins, who is also called Michael (even though the Bible never makes that connection, and actually shows Michael and Jesus are separate entities; cf. Jude).
This is just one more teaching of JWs that they accept without any semblance of critical thinking.
Anyone who uses the term demi-god, has no idea what it is they are talking about - the concept, in-itself being a oxymoron
@@smalltimer4370 Demigod: *"a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity,* the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank."
Do you think Jesus has equal divine status with the Father or lesser divine status? If you say lesser then you've demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, and great attempt to defect from the substance of the post.
I see you are ignoring our discussion on Rev 3:14 because your deception and dishonesty was outed and manifest to all. Still spouting yet more folly. I'll only deal with your first as like a domino knock on effect the others fall flat too
1. Jehovah created Michael the archangel, a demigod who creates everything on behalf of Jehovah (contrary to Isa 44:24 & 45:12).
KFC vilifies JW's for dismissing context and yet is the very one dismissing context (Isa 44:24 & 45:12) The Almighty God is comparing the impotent idols to himself and other points to God’s ability with creation to show his trustworthinesses, reliability, dependability and right to guide events as he sees fit to accomplish his purpose.
God's first creation, the Son was used to create just like the text states, however, the inspired text states that God created all things *through* him. This makes Jesus the Intermediate Agent (1Cor 8:6)
You have craftily twisted the argument of demigod. Let's look again at the definition and your question (So you can copy and paste when you "feel" you got the evidence)
Demigod: "a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank."
Do you think Jesus has equal divine status with the Father or lesser divine status? If you say lesser then you've demonstrated that you have no idea what you're talking about.
The false dilemma question is not about a demigod but simply a lesser being of which he would be. The demigod reference implies him to be either "the offspring of a god" *and a mortal*, or *a mortal raised to divine rank* and this is what makes one *a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity*. Which nowhere on earth or heaven exists such a person. This makes Smalltimer4370 also correct.
1. Refuted and debunked
This is why the GB discourages higher education because learning to read and use critical thinking is bad for the borg. But uneducated dumb dumbs will swallow whatever the GB tells them.
Jah said,
{{ The false dilemma question is not about a demigod but simply a lesser being of which he would be. The demigod reference implies him to be either "the offspring of a god" and a mortal*, or *a mortal raised to divine rank and this is what makes one *a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity*. Which nowhere on earth or heaven exists such a person. This makes Smalltimer4370 also correct. }}
Did Jah faithfully represent my citation? No, he didn't. A demigod does not have to be "'the offspring of a god' and a mortal*, or *a mortal raised to divine rank" as Jah said. A demigod just has to have "partial or lesser divine status."
Jah, like most JWs, does not know how to read definitions.
We all can make mistakes, however we are not all as deceitful as you.. I'll give you that one.. I answered your number 1 regardless of the incorrectness of my claim and I made a reference to a previous discussion regarding the type of person you are on your inability to support your Rev 3:14 claim or clearly answer my question with a yes or no as I did yours.. . It's alright I don't need you to as your true self has been made manifest loud and clear.
The rest is still applicable as you ignored the content of your so-called proof texts
*BIBLE TRUTH
Daniel 12:4 is fulfilled
Trinity is so easy to disprove. Look at the words that they use. GOD MAN, GOD INCARNATE, GOD IN THE FLESH, TRINITY and THE HOLY COMPLEXITY of TRINITY, WHAT?!!. Absolutely none of these expressions or titles exist in the Bible. In fact, the apostle Peter said to watch out for men who speaks counterfeit words as if from the Bible. 2 Peter 2:3 In the Catholic Encyclopedia, though, Catholicism are leaders of Trinity, and yet they admit, "there is no one word in the Bible that unites Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Ghost".
It doesn't exist. Other words there's No One Word equivalent to the word Trinity in the Bible that means Jehovah, Jesus, and Holy Spirit equal or unified to be worshiped. In fact, the word "EQUAL" in relation to them doesn't even exist. Isaiah 40:25 Reason then, if there's no one word in the Bible that unites them in equality of some sort. Then how did trinitarians of any variation, come to the conclusion that Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Ghost is some form of a triune God? Jehovah states he doesn't have an EQUA and that he's God alone. Isaiah 40:25 46:10 Psalms 83:18 Psalms 90:2 Jehovah God is exactly opposite to what trinitarians teach and apologists. Clearly, Jehovah says he doesn't have an equal, he also States he is only "ONE" Deuteronomy 6:4: Third to this, IN THE APOSTOLIC AGES they acknowledged, they don't even know what God's form is but only that he is a spirit John 4: 24 1 John 3: 2 It is required according to this scripture text that one must be chosen by God and then die and appear before God's person.
Then he would see God's body in such great detail. And no one appeared before God in the apostolic age except Christ. John 3:13 This is why we Jehovah's witnesses know that Trinity is NOT a BIBLE TEACHING. The council of NICEA of 325 A.D and the CONSTANTINOPLE meeting of 381 A.D was the birth of Trinity. The decision that was made there deserves a question. Were they correct? According to the scriptures, they were absolutely wrong. At no time would God ever use Constantine a Roman Emperor or his successor and a group of a monopoly of religions to make a monumental decision on behalf of his people. Never, never have happened and it never will. 1st Corinthians 10:21
Let the one who has ears, carefully listen to what the spirit says..
Ponder over these facts. The title "godhead" in some Bibles is a spurious title not found in earlier manuscripts and partial Bibles. In some modern Bibles it's omitted. Trinitarians ignore that fact, we witnesses did not. The so- called godhead holy Spirit, trinitarian say because he's referred to as a "he", therefore, he must be a person or being of the triune unity of God. Really? Take a look at Numbers 11:17, God's spirit is referred to as an.... "it". Therefore, this fact throws down the notion it's a being but a something. According to the scriptures, it's God's ,"POWER", a controlled energy similar to electricity men use. A superlative form of God's way of doing things and figurative expressions that he uses, "he"and "speaks". Man was made in God's image, so just as we have figurative expressions, of course God has figurative expressions.
The Bible states, "But you will receive "POWER" when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses"Acts. 1: 8 Isaiah 40:26 NWT
Now let's take a look at the so-called God head Jesus Christ. And Isaiah 9:6 the latter portion he's referred to as a "PRINCE". Jehovah God is never referred to as a prince nor is he a prince. Angels in heaven are referred to as princeses and that's what Jesus is being so titled. Daniel 10:13 Since Jesus is a "PRINCE", therefore, an angel. He can easily be referred to as a king Prince or King angel.
At 2 Timothy 3:16, the Bible sets matters straight. Lastly, since the Bible is saying at Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is a king and a prince, therefore a king angel. Does the bible ever mention about a king and an angel at the same time? Yesss??? Turn to Revelation 9:11, this is the glorified Jesus Christ when he returned back to heaven and Kingdom Glory. Jesus is in fact, the king Angel of the abyss. Some false religions teaches that's that's Satan. Really? Then, turn over to Revelation 20:1 -3 The same angel, the Christ hurling Satan into the abyss. In both cases, this Angel has a "KEY", that symbolizes authority. Do remember, when Jesus was on earth, he said, "all authority has been given me in heaven and earth". Matthew 28:18 No doubt, about it, he's a good Angel and he's the Christ. Genesis 3:15 Since the holy spirit is an... "it"and Christ is an angel, how then can Trinity be true? Simply put, it isn't. As aforementioned, Daniel 12:4 is fulfilled!!; Let the one who has ears, carefully listen to what the spirit says.
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Why not look up Rabbi Tovia Singer
I do not see the cross references in the most recent version of there so called translation.
Oh oh Matthew 16:15 & 16
So who is The Living God Peter Spoke of?
Whoever he is, he is the Father and God of Jesus John 3:16
John 20:17
Exodus 3:15
Psalm 83:18
Revelation 3:12
1 Peter 1:3
John 4:23
John 17:3
Matthew 7:21-24
Pray for Holy Spirit. Be Meek.
Prob 3:5&6
Also John 20:21...just as my Father sent me, I am sending you..
John 14:6 no one comes to the Father except through me
John 13:1 Jesus knew his hour would come that he should depart out of this world, unto the Father
John 12: 49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say and what I speak
Just to name a few....clearly this man is anti reason
I really don’t see the benefit of sparring with door to door JW regarding scripture….They are too deep into their cult.
Yea let's learn 1000 languages and preach to all nations just to get people to join a cult lol makes alot of sense
Give me one of your verses and I’ll show you how it’s not talking about a trinity
Are you saying yes to the God of Jesus?
Mathew 10:33/ Luke 12:9, he has denied Christ, just as copeland and the prosperity wolfpack has, compare Trumps walk in Christ compared to copelands/osteen/meyers/moore/furtick/jakes, who is actually a real believer according to scripture Mathew 10:22
@@DC-gp3vn is this a yes to the God of Jesus?
do you believe in
nonsense likely some will take offense
at that question but it's not really
meant to offend I would like to provoke
people to
thought but it seems that most people
prefer to believe what they've been
handed for example if you had been born
in India you quite likely would be a
Hindu because your parents were Hindu
and their parents were Hindu and on and
on if you lived in the Middle East then
quite likely uh you would be a Muslim
because your parents were Muslim and
their parents were Muslim if you live in
the Americas in Europe uh quite likely
you call yourself a Christian for the
very same reason because for Generations
your family has been part of this
religion but especially if we call
ourselves Christians
we should be able
to relate our faith in a way that is
sensible that appeals to a person's
logic rather than you know the I believe
emotionalism that is so common
today unfortunately most people cannot
do
that if you believe for example that
Jesus is God and there are a lot of
variations but most commonly people
believe in the Trinity the father Son
and Holy
Ghost if you believe in
that then you believe in
nonsense and again I don't say that to
offend because I know many people are
sincere in their belief but perhaps you
do not realize the
contradictions that are inherent in that
belief that simply cannot be aligned
with what we read in the
scriptures I'll give you an
example for
instance when Jesus was on the
earth he prayed to
God now of course theologians have come
up with a fancy sounding way to explain
this it used to be that you know the
clergy would say well the Trinity is a
mystery but now they they realize that
that old dog don't hunt no more you know
and so they they tried out these fancy
theological terms like hypostatic Union
and that means that God was fully Divine
and he's also fully human he has two
different
Natures okay we to say that's
true so Jesus was God but yet when Jesus
was on the
earth he always deferred to God and by
the way Jesus never once said he was
God look look throughout the scriptures
Jesus never said he was God he always
said he was God's son oh but the father
and son are the same thing well not in
the real world fathers give birth to
Sons fathers come before Sons why would
they call themselves Father and
Son anyway when Jesus is on the earth he
always said that he did nothing of his
own
initiative that he's only doing what the
father has told him to do so if Jesus is
this
manifestation God In the Flesh
why would he need to defer to the god in
the
spirit in fact Jesus actually obeyed
God he obeyed him just as you and I must
obey God as
ruler and it goes even further than that
I've got my Bible
here in Hebrews the 5th chapter Paul was
making the case that Jesus had been
appointed by God as a high
priest and in the manner of mzc which I
won't get into but then in verse 7
notice it says that in the days of his
flesh Christ offered up supplications
and also petitions to the one who was
able to save him out of death with
strong outcries and tears and he was
favorably heard for his Godly
fear so if you believe in this
hypostatic Union then you believe that
the Earthly God
had to pray and supplicate the spirit
God to save him because he needed God's
salvation and the Earthly God
feared the Heavenly God that's what it
says he was favorably heard for his
Godly
fear did God fear
himself if you believe Jesus was God
then that's what you
believe and that's
nonsense
that's it's just nonsensical it makes no
sense well it goes on there although he
was a son he learned obedience from the
things he
suffered so Jesus was a perfect Heavenly
son he always obeyed his father but when
he was put in a different circumstance
upon the Earth and really tested up into
death that's when his his per his
obedience became complete and he
demonstrated before the world that he
would obey God no matter what the cost
to himself
personally
so are we to believe that God will obey
himself at all
costs if you believe Jesus Is God then
that's what you believe and again that's
that's
nonsense
Is the word trinity in the bible scriptures?,And all religion's have lost their members in the numbers of millions, churches are closing down,,, says nothing about it teachings, and it was a catholic priest/monk who translated the name to Jehovah, as I can see, this teacher hasn't done his homework, and most scholars recognize that the name Jehovah, is the name of God, correct me if I'm wrong,
still learning is what all people should be doing, knocking ones religion, doesn't mean you're religious beliefs are correct, like I said, is the word trinity anywhere in the bible scriptures ? , no, I rest my case,
The word isn't there, but the teaching is there. Omniscient is not found in the Bible either. Is God omniscient?
So what do you think he means when he says “my God”? Do you think his confused?
No, I’m referring to John 20:11 where in in his own words he said “my father, my God”. This is not trinity, it’s from the mouth of one of the so called trios. In no place did Jesus give an idea that he was the father nor even equal to the father. Many like to bring up the Greek language in some of the verses used for the trinity. However, many forget that also in Greek the words father and son have the same meaning as English. Father is always the greater, or makes be the Son. in non of the three biblical languages does father and son identify the same person. Also, it really surprises me that although its common knowledge the trinity was only made up in the fourth century, people stick to it as if it was a teaching of Jesus and Apostles. The greater part of Christianity has to admit they have been wrong and move on.
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Scripture itself explains why Jesus _had_ to have a God:
"For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, *in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest **_IN SERVICE TO GOD,_* and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people." (Hebrews 2:17)
How could Jesus possibly be high priest "in service to God" unless he had a God to serve? And he did this not because he was not God himself, but in order to fulfill the legal requirements he needed to satisfy in order to be mediator between man and God.
And as for the Father being greater I posted this in another thread that you started, so either you missed it or chose to ignore it. Here it is again:
Guoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them.
Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death-
even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8)
Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage".
We also see that it is Jesus himself who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - voluntarily.
So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, his divine privileges and volutarily take on a lesser form?
One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels.
In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity.
So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did without making himself dependent on the Father?
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm Now you tried to "refute" Philippians 2:6-8 by appealing to other translations - a common trick pulled by Jehovah's wittnesses - but you failed to prove that the translation used was incorrect.
That is why I asked you that following questions that you also ignored:
1. Are you an accredited Biblical scholar who has the competance to prove your claim that the translation I used is wrong?
2. Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
Why did you ignore them?
If you can show me a verse that says I have to be an accredited scholar to understand the Bible I will declare you the Victor
@@GerardoHernandez-cv2hm I never said you did. But _you_ were the one who threw in the argument that there are other translations of the verse I quoted. So please explain this. Why is it you, as a Jehovah's Witness, appeal to other translations and yet ignore them when it suits you. Take John 1:1 for example. How many other translations render this verse as saying "a god"? Here you _totally_ ignore other translations and yet when it suits you you try to muddy the stream with arguments that you don't even master yourself.
How did they come up with 20 million ppl count?
There are first fruits and other fruits revelation 14:1-5
Jesus did say in scripture to keep on the watch and that is just what the witnesses are doing and helping others observe scripture also , Jws are the light that gets brighter , ready to make the necessary adjustments as new light becomes apparent.
So you say God says X and then you say God says X is not true and you call that new light? Then you say God now says X is true again. Your god can't make his mind up.
The one true God isn't like that. How do you explain false prophecies? What should we do with false prophets?
They have now changed the death at the tribulation thinking. Now they say not all non believers will be exterminated at Armageddon
50:38 which verse in John 13 does he mean?
He is referring to verse 19. In Isaiah YHWH is speaking prophetically:
“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
*so that you may know and believe me*
*and understand that I am he."* (Isaiah 43:10)
And here is what Jesus says in John 13:
"I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen *you will believe that I am he."* (John 13:19)
I'm not sure what your position is, but if you want I can expland on this even more and prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that both Jesus and the Father go by the name YHWH. There are a couple of things that Jesus says repeatedly throughout the gospel that everyone misses that have to do with his true identity and when and how his identity was to be revealed.
@@paulbrennan4163wow thank you so much for clearly showing the scriptures he’s referring too
Whoever wrote the book of Hebrews interjected But to the Son he said: the remaining two verses is taken directly from Psalm 45:6-7 word for word. Colossians 1:14-15 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Who is the image of the invisible God, the first BORN of creation. Rev. 3:14 These things says the Amen the faithful and true witness, the “beginning of the CREATION of God”. Paul admonishes us to study (not merely read) the Bible to be approved of God. I am NOT a JW
Col 1:15-16 shows that Jesus is preeminent OVER all creation BECAUSE he created all things.
Rev 3:14 shows that he is the RULER of God's creation (NIV).
And what is Heb 1:10-12 a citation of? In the OT citation, who is being addressed?
Very well said but it's so sad they have eyes but they do not see ears but they do not hear.
I'm not a JW either and we both know the Trinity doctrine is false I applaud you for telling the truth on this subject because God is picking people not religion or man made doctrines good job .😂😂😂😂😂
@@Musicnest. my friend, anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus is God is blind.
You say you're not a JW, then tell me, who is Jesus to you?
@@kevinfromcanada4379 our mediator and savior sent by his Father Jehovah. I'm
Not a JW but they know that Jehovah God is not Jesus. In the old Testament God spoke about his son and he would be prince of peace.
The old testament declared the coming of Gods son. If you look at PS the 2 chapter it tells you how God,his father had begotten him and commanded even the angels to worship him. The Father was well pleased with his son there by giving him all things even all judgment was in his power. The trinitarian doctrine for those who try to prove Jesus is God is when he said before Abraham I am but all the angels could say that since they to were before Abraham.
Before my son I am but my son is not me but he is a spitting image even acts like me but we are different just like Yah and Jesus.
A son by procreation is not greater than his father.
In Revelation Jesus spoke about being the first of all creation.
He also said that his disciples would be granted to sit down on his throne like his father let him sit down by him
@@Musicnest. you went on a rant but didn't tell me who Jesus is to you. Is he an angel? Is he just a man? Who is he?
So says the spirit of antichrist
Those who claim that the Son is a created creature are the spirit of antichrist.
Dr.White tried to witness to a witness, in an open debate with Greg Stafford and got spiritually spanked, it's helerius he still talking after such a beating
Thomas the apostle disagrees with this heretic. He called Jesus his God. Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Hebrews the Spirit called Him God. Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Jesus is probably laughing up his sleeve.
Thomas was not calling Jesus his GOD
The reason many people say such things today, is that they have not read the account for themselves,
That said, and in other cases... some people will read the account, but remains blinded to the written truth of the text - blinded by they own desires and ambitions
Though for anyone seeking the truth, the account shows Thomas' words were in testimony to the resurrection of Jesus Christ made possible by His Father who sent him
And is why Jesus opens the account with the words; _'believe in GOD, believe also in me...'_
Here again, the issue is that many people today are blinded by their own desires, in-that they will neither acknowledge nor accept the truth, no matter how obvious or undeniable it may be
@@smalltimer4370Actually Thomas did say, 'my Lord and my God'. If you think otherwise to this simple verse you are very deceived. Jesus did not rebuke Thomas in any way. Also see John 1:1 in the Bible and not in that perverse publication the new world translation where the Greek is not correct.
@@blackcoffee2
You are clearly confused - and the likely reason for this, is that you not read the account.
That said, we cannot know the truth of scripture, without first knowing what it is written.
Otherwise, we are left putting faith in the words and beliefs of others rather than the written truth of GOD - for example:
Why did Jesus begin this account with the words; _'believe in GOD, believe also in me'?_
Likewise, what were the apostles asking for, so that Jesus responded with those words?
What did Jesus promise would be given following His resurrection?
Therefore and as the account reveals, the words spoken by Thomas before the risen Christ, were subsequent to the Apostles own request at the beginning of the account.
Though as you have not read the account, and moreso that you clearly do not understand, you are therefore blinded as to what Thomas was actually confessing-to, and why.
Seriously, you should stop and read scripture for yourself, rather than to continue putting faith-in the words and beliefs of others, and in fulfillment of the blind leading the blind, outlined by Jesus Christ on earth
@@smalltimer4370 Jesus was the God of the Old Testament and the New. He was the I am (the self-existent one) before the world came into existence, He was the Spiritual body of the invisible God. The firstborn from the dead, everything said of the God of the Old Testament is also said of Jesus in the New Testament. The invisible Spirit of the Father is making up a body for Himself of the Church beginning with 144,000 and then a number that no man can number, and Christ is the firstborn of the dead.
@@hubertlancaster
Have you read the account in question?
And if so, have you answered the questions raised in the previous comment?
Please stop taking-part in the lies and false teachings of men, so that you too may testify the written truth as Jesus did on earth - think about it, and most of all, pray about it - Jesus died for the truth, and we owe it to Jesus and His Father who sent Him, to honor the truth as Jesus did in His ministry - ie, followers of Christ
- follow Jesus, not men
Everyone should note the contradiction in what you said. You said he isn't God but he is mighty God.
Mighty God is God unless you are a polytheist.
So are you a polytheist?
We are Christians so we believe that there is only one God. The same God who said that there were no Gods before Him or made after Him.
But you believe God was wrong about that and a god was made after him don't you?
You also believe that Jesus lied and that he did not have flesh and bone after his resurrection but deceived the Apostles into thinking he did..
@Phill0old God calls the angels "elohim" (gods). How does that fit in with how you understand "Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me." Isa 43:10
@@TheCaledonianBoy Elohim clearly doesn't mean Gods but mighty one (s). It can refer to God but also to human rulers and others. Also, just as an fyi, that isn't the word used but in fact El is used in the verse in Isaiah also in the verse God's name is used to make it doubly clear.
But, of course, if you think it always means Gods or God then that would make you a polytheist. Are you a polytheist?
A similar thing applies to the word kurios mostly translated Lord in the NT. It can refer to God but also others.
Do you know how many times God's actual name is used in the NT?
@@Phill0old On the contrary "elohim" does in fact mean "gods" and depending on the context it is used it can be rendered differently. I actually think "mighty ones" ,as you say, is a fair rendering. Nevertheless the word used of angels in Psalm 8:5 is elohim' which seems to present most translators with a problem.
Polytheist? No.
I only worship the same God and Father of Jesus and the disciples.
If the one true God calls others gods (elohim) and they are not false gods, or the one God i will accept that.
You asked "Do you know how many times God's actual name is used in the NT?"
Not off the top of my head but considering the amount of time passages from the OT containing the divine name are quoted in the NT I would say over 200.
There are no NT manuscripts we have that contain the divine name.
Do you believe when Jesus stood up and read from the scroll of Isaiah that contained Gods name twice he did not use the divine name?
@@TheCaledonianBoy The name of God "Yahweh" is never used in the NT. I think that Jesus did not say "Yahweh" but said "Adonai" instead as was customary. The God breathed record we have of it does not say "Yahweh".
But since the angels are not called gods (because that is an error only in the English translation and Jesus said that there is only one God, as indeed there is.
There is one God. That's something God says in the OT and the NT.
@@Phill0old When Jesus taught the disciples how to pray he said "‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name," did he mean his name "Yahweh" or his title "Adonai"?
At John 17:23 Jesus said "and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known,". What name do you think he was talking about?
A lot of people become Jehovah's Witnesses because they feel they are part of a ready made family. Everyone is friendly with you and you go to their homes and they come to you. They show a lot of love to all, as they do not become friendly with people outside of the religion. Lonely people will often join them because of this.
This is the very thing that Jesus Christ asked us to do and that is as a Christian to love one another and it's not "just" lonely people, all people are welcome to worship God with them
@meerutpat 760 because witnesses on average every day of the year. In Italy the center of Catholicism JWs are growing so fast the church is UP IN ARMS. So many Catholics are leaving the church and studying the Bibl then getting baptized as JWs just like Jesus did.
@@patchooo84 that is because people are starting to see that world religion is not teaching correct bible Scripture , like me for years I accepted what I was told about the scriptures but as soon as I started to really study the bible I could see so many lies that the church was telling people, some"people" feel sorry and say I have been blinded, but I say back, this is the first time I've seen things clearly, I love Jehovah for the compassionate and loving God that he is I also adore Jesus for the fine example he left us to follow, he gave his perfect human life so we all will have a chance of everlasting life on a clean earth no more death war sickness poverty the list goes on and this is on earth not in heaven as I was lead to believe there is still time but as it says in the scripture as it was in the days of Noah people will be eating drinking marrying etc ...and then the end will come,if I'm wrong I've lost nothing but what I've gained is a decent life not filled with the stinking mess that Satan has conned billions into believing,
@@pamelasloan1664 Pamela, I have seen plenty of Christian churches where love abounds. Does that mean that their theology is correct? Not according to your religious beliefs. And all cults say what you are saying. They are quick to declare how much they love each other, but just as quick to demonize all others.
You claim that "satan" has conned us. You base that on the fact that you say you have "studied the Bible", but the fact of the matter is that according to Watchtower theology you ARE blind. You are not born again. That means that you cannot see the kingdom of God. So how do you know that you have understood the scriptures you have read?
What if I was to show you a scripture that disagrees with what the Watchtower teaches. Which would you choose? What the Watchtower teaches, or scripture?
@@paulbrennan4163 bring it on
🙏🙏JESUS IS GOD
Another one trying to say the Trinity? The beginning was already good. We believe in one God but in three persons. And why do you limit God to 3? He is Almighty so he said I will be whatever I want. And did Jesus ever teach that he was God? And when he asked the disciples who they thought He was, Peter replied, YOU ARE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. His God told his disciples, "Go and make disciples, teaching them what I have commanded you. So who, after so many centuries, teaches something different, trying to find some incomprehensible and strange Trinity in the Bible? It has neither logic nor is it the teaching of Jesus himself or the Apostles. Jesus himself admitted that apostasy would come and people would speak perverse teachings. And so it is with the doctrine of the Trinity. Does anyone who believes in it really understand what they repeat without thinking? The Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Everyone is a different person, but God. 1+1+1= 1 ? After all, this teaching is so ridiculous and tragic for those who propagate it, that no one will even wonder what its origin is. Because Jesus warned against false teachers and wolves. Finally, a question to consider for those who are trying to understand the Trinity that they have created. TO WHOM DID "GOD ALMIGHTY" JESUS PRAY WITH TEARS IN HIS EYES? There are countless such questions. And looking for verses in the Bible and putting them under the Trinity is tragic. At the end. Jesus said before leaving that if you preach what I have commanded you, I will be with you until the end. And who today is known for zealously preaching throughout the earth about Jesus as He presented Himself when He was on earth?
And my God is your god’s daddy and his name is Jehovah
Did you know of the Jewish practice of placing vowels (Hebrew vowels) onto (YHWH) the Tetragrammaton? Vowels from Adonai are placed onto YHWH causing the hybrid name Yahowaih, shortened to YAHWEH? Or on other occasions, what about the vowels of Elohim inserted onto YHWH causing the name Yehovih, which Strong's Dictionary of Bible Words lists as #3069, and why? because it exists! What about the vowels of Eloah placed onto YHWH causing Yehowah to change to Yehovah, then change to Jehovah, and later attempt to change back to Yehovah. All this was done to remind the readers in the synagogues not to say the name of God, YAHAWAH. Why does Nehemia Gordon base his support of the name Yehovah solely upon Medieval sources of Scripture, and ignores the other names of Yahweh and Yehovih? All these hybrid (false names) originated in the same period of time (Middle Ages). Why are believers in Yehovah trying to disassociate the part of Ye-hovah, hovah in Hebrew means ruin, mischief, and calamity! Is that the God you worship? Jehovah according to meaning based on hovah as seen in Strong's #1942;#1943.
In Exodus 3:13-15, Moses asked for God’s name. 13 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ what shall I say to them?” 14 And God said to Moses, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH!” [“I AM WHO I AM”]. And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘YAH [IAM] has sent me to you.’ ” 15 Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’”
YAH is “the name which is above every name”.
The apostle Paul heard Christ’s name on the road to Damascus, which is why he said of the name of Christ, 9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him ‘the name which is above every name,’ 10 that at the name of YAH-SHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). God never revealed the name Jesus, which has existed since the 17th century.
YAH is the only essential name of salvation for mankind, as the prophet Isaiah has revealed, Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
Christ told the people that He is YAH which means “I AM,” when He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58).
@@S.R.M. did you know prior to this Jewish practice we have Historical and arqueological evidence points to a closer for that supports the form Jehovah more than it does for Yahweh. That is before these later Jewish scribes you reference from strongs and even before the Spanish Catholic priest that is reference to be the inventor of Jehovah. You find this with God’s Name found as “IAŌ”. We find this in Egyptian stones, we also find it by church fathers and we find it reference by the Greeks. ALL at different time frames all with the same exact phrase in different langue’s by different cultures at different times. And the surprising thing is that this supports: Jehovah. And there is no evidence that out of IA-Ō supports the rendering: Yahweh. Yahweh is the accepted academic form of Gods form but the one with the least evidence yet they try to say that this is what we find in Hebrew. Take time to study this and look at the latest evidence not the old literature on what some scholars considered. We don’t even get LORD/adonai from IAŌ. If you want the best available evidence we get: this^. Have a good blessed day!
@@InvestigadorTJ The name Jesus is from the 17th century, and as found in the 1611 KJV, it was Iesus (ee-sus), not Jesus (gee-sus), which indicates man-made changes in the one name, nor is there any other name, given under heaven by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12). The issue is the name is a revealed name from Heaven, and not to be subjected to the tongue of man or linguistic evolution. Egypt became a Greek-speaking land after the Greek invasion in BC 330. Greek does not support Jehovah, which is a concoction of the vowels of Eloah. YAH is found in Greek as IAO, but that only proves that Hebrew Yod and Hey with the Hebrew vowel gametz forming the sound of 'a' is YAH. Revelation is of the LORD and academics of man. Dear friend, I have looked at the evidence. You also have a blessed day!
Thank you, Mr. White and all. Very very good teaching so informative so helpful.
First let's examine God's word first All Scripture is inspired of God+ and beneficial for teaching,+ for reproving, for setting things straight,+ for disciplining in righteousness,+ 17 so that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.
The words of Psalm 102:25, 26 apply to Jehovah God, but the apostle Paul quotes them with reference to Jesus Christ. This is because God’s only-begotten Son was God’s personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe. Paul contrasts the Son’s permanence with that of the physical creation, which God, if he so designed, could ‘wrap up just as a cloak’ and set aside.- Read Heb 1:1, 2, Colo 1:15,16, 1 Cori 8:5,6, Proverbs 8:22, 27-30.
It should be observed in Hebrews 1:5b that a quotation is made from 2 Samuel 7:14 and applied to the Son of God. Although that text had its first application to Solomon, the later application of it to Jesus Christ does not mean that Solomon and Jesus are the same. Jesus is “greater than Solomon” and carries out a work foreshadowed by Solomon.-Luke 11:31.
begotten =unique...........
So " the Son of God personal Agent employed in creating the physical universe" comes from wich fairy tale book please??????????not from the bible that s for sure.......hebrews 1:10 " in the beginning Lord,You laid the foundations of the earth,and the heaveans are the work of Your hands...... wich is a repetition of esai45;18 and esai44;24 ........in hebrews 1:10 the one there THE LORD IS CHRIST.....i don t see one word in hebrews 1:10 that could lead me to think ,jesus is an agent employed at someting.....the verse clearly shows Christ is CREATOR............a creator is uncreated...............
colossians 1:15 " ........all things have been created THROUGH HIM AND FOR HIM................ do you see there one word that could lead to think he is not the Creator???????
prov8:22 has nothing to do with JESUS ......the Father created thing with the breath of His mouth psalms33:6_9 .........Jesus is the Word of GOD ,not the wisdom.............although Jesus is Wisdow,so is the Father......... and the chapters before proverbs 8 ,so prover 7,6,5,9 ,etc ,all talk about wisdom and strictly don t refer to Jesus....there is no reasons for prover 8:22 to refer to Jesus.........Wis dom there is a personification of quality and behaviour.........
@@KarineSmith-r6w
Colossians 1:15 - does not say that Jesus is the Creator, it says that all things have been created *through* him, not that the created them. The Greek uses the passive verb form here. Check out an interlinear and you'll see.
Hebrews 1:2 (ESV) says similar: _"but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, _*_through whom also he created the world."_*
It wouldn't make much sense for Hebrews 1:10 to contradict Hebrews 1:2. The Bible often shows things being actioned by someone else but the source being Jehovah so Jehovah can still be given the credit. For instance in Deuteronomy 32:12: _"The Lord alone led him"_ however Moses and an angel were used to lead Israel.
@@adrianwalker3607 the word "through". Found in the New World translation in both instances there don t existe un the original manuscripts, Never......
Thé bible stricly forbidds to add or take off anything from her word...its called exégète,totally forbidden : révélation 22:20.
Hebrew 1:10 :in the beginning Lord,you laid the fondations of the earth,and the heavens are the work of your hands.....clearly says Christ IS creator....
You would have to demonstrate this verse IS not Christ called Lord there ,the all chapter IS about Christ....there ISn t one word in this verse that Can demonstrate Christ ain t the straight creator.....
The name "Jehovah" IS totally unknown from biblical manuscripts,unknown to the apostles and unknown to Jésus......
@@KarineSmith-r6w weak silly opinion drop
@@adrianwalker3607 Jehovah causes to become.
As Creator he Channels this work through his Son
All jehovah witnesses, and all the other mislead people should read Galatians paul says anyone teaching a different gospel which is really no gospel at all, let them be eternally condemned, we should all pray for the jehovah witnesses that they will see the truth and come into the light ,which is are LORD JESUS CHRIST who is truly GOD not a god but GOD.
You reckon from what I see they try to stay clean in body and spirit something that doesn't exist in worldly religions
Trinity is a dogma, NOT a doctrine grounded in the Bible.
Believe in Trinity doctrine render almost all verses in the Bible invalid.
Matthew 4:1-10;
Can Almighty God be TEMPTED? (Jesus was tempted)
John 5:19; 6:38;
Does God have a "will" that can be different from Jesus?
Can God be commanded? John 12:49 ; (Jesus was commanded)
Can same person be greater than himself? John 14:28;
John 20:17; Revelation 3:2,12. Can Almighty God still have a God?
Luke 6:12,13; 22:41-43;
Can anyone strengthen God?
1 Corinthians 8:6;
11:3; Can God have a HEAD?
15:28. Will God handover to himself?
Can there be a MEDIATOR between one person?
1 Timothy 2:5,6; Galatians
3:20.
Hebrews 5:8; Can Almighty learn OBEDIENCE from sinful humans?
Can you appear before yourself? Hebrews 9:24;
Can you exalt God?
Can you stand at your own right side? Acts
5:31; 7:55;
Philippians 2:9-11;
John 8:32 .. and the truth will set you free.
@@olusesanmoses413 well researched
Where in Scripture does it say or Jesus say he's God the Bible says don't go beyond what is written.
So if Jesus said he's God's son believe that if you study deep you will find that his father gave him all things even the right to be worshiped after all he saved us by his ransom and saved us from being destroyed by his father remember it says in John 3:16 that God so loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten son that who so ever believes in him may not perish but have everlasting life Jehovah truly is our Savior and how he done this is sending his son into this world Jesus is our Savior too because if he had not volunteered his life as a ransom we would all die in our sins
@@olusesanmoses413 well put Trinity in truly a false doctrine.
Two thumbs up brother that was a great witness to all of these who put pagan costumes into Christianity. And if they all study more they will find how the false religions of our day put this false doctrine into modern day religion.
Jesus is God's only begotten son and even said I'm the first of all creation.
Once again that was a great witness the father and his son is very happy about you witnessing to all the real truth
For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness," has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6, ESV)
Glory to jehovah forever! This I pray in Jesus Christ's name. Amen.
I do know that the world being is not a distinguishing pronoun as is father and son. These words, father and son are clearly used in the Bible for God and his son. As I mentioned both mean the same thing in all three biblical languages. Father is the creator of the son. Even in our days, they mean the same. Trinitarian grossly wrote the King James Bible. Verses were change, gladly not all were able to be changed. Example, Matthew 27:46, John 20:17, 1 Petter 1:3 and many more. Verses that have been changed can be corrected by the surrounding verses. Example Philippians 2:6,7 corrected by verse 5. All versus used by Trinitarian are versus that can be left up to the interpretation. However, versus that are the word of Jesus cannot be misinterpreted. As a trinitarian, you must know that this was only made up in the fourth century. This is proof that neither Jesus nor the apostles taught such a thing.
There's moments when the volume is mute. Please see if you can fix this. Unless you were intentionally mute certain parts.
Hello! Praise JAH! Psalm 68:4 KJV and his name alone is the most high Psalm 83:18 KJV
Jehovah
@@patchooo84Yahweh
@@craigime open to Genesis 22:14
Yahweh- Jireh? No
Jehovah -Jireh
God Provides
@@craigime Yahweshophat? No Jehoshaphat
Yahwehash? No Jehoash
Yahweiadah? No Jehoiadah
So on and so on.
@@patchooo84 you're using an English translation to determine how God's name was originally pronounced? Are you unwell? Those names aren't even pronounced like that either
Jehovah is the English translation of Yehweh, just as John, Luke, Paul are also translations into English. What you should yourselves is why the Tetragammatron was translated into the title of God! Most bibles use a title instead of his name, why do you think that is?
🎉🎉 exactly!
Wrong! “Jehovah…” (Yehovah) It is widely used in many churches. It is considered by many Christians to be hollowed, and many beautiful hymns also endear it, however, this name “Jehovah” is a concoction of man. Therefore, it is a “mongrel,” a “hybrid,” and it is “fantastic,” a fantasy, and it is “monstrous!” There is something very wrong with this euphonious name Jehovah. Therefore, the name of Jehovah was a name never revealed by the LORD. The facts have only to be known to justify this verdict.
What are the facts?
Ever since the Babylonian invasion of the Kingdom of Judea, and the enforced diaspora of its noble class in 597 BCE, the Jews have had a strong penchant for hiding the name of the LORD (YHWH) from the Gentiles, thus preventing them from potentially profaning the LORD’s name revealed to Moses (specifically the name of YAH, “HaYAH”, as found in Exodus 3:13-15). YAH is “the name which is above every name.” Readers in the synagogues would inadvertently attempt to pronounce the LORD’s name, as there were no vowels in the Hebrew words within the Hebrew Bible [or known as “The Old Testament”] when coming upon God’s name: YHWH. Later, the Jewish clergy developed the practice, around the 1100s of adding Hebrew vowels created by the Masoretes, to the Tetragrammaton [Gr. word for the four consonant letters of the LORD's name]. The vowels were taken from at least three other Hebrew words, namely, Adonay (meaning Lord, with the vowels of a-o-ai causing the hybrid name YaHoWaiH, or later shortened to YAHWEH), Eloah (meaning God, with the vowels of e-o-a causing YeHoWaH later Jehovah or Yehovah), and Elohim (meaning Gods, with the vowels of e-o-i causing YeHoWiH, as shown in Strong’s Dictionary of Bible Words # 3069). These hybrid names were never meant to form any legitimate name for the LORD but were placed there to remind the readers in the synagogues to say, “Adonay” instead of attempting to pronounce the LORD’s actual name.
How was this euphonious name, Jehovah, propagated?
Later in Medieval times, the Roman Catholic Church was known to raid Jewish synagogues, take their gold, and the Hebrew Scriptures [the Old Testament], and persecute Jews. Raymondus Martini was a 13th century Dominican friar and theologian. He is remembered for his book called “Pugio Fidei” (in the year 1270 CE). Finding the absconded Hebrew Scriptures in the Dominican Library, and believing he had discovered the name of God, he used the name Iehovah (or Iehova) in his book not understanding that these vowels were not original to the LORD’s actual name. The name and pronunciation of “Jehovah,” (and also the name Jesus unknown until the 17th century) were essentially unknown in the years before 1520 CE, when introduced and propagated by Peter, Galatinus (1450-1540), he held the office of penitentiary under pope Leo X. His chief work De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, a book, written at the request of the pope, the emperor, and other dignitaries, in the year 1516 CE, as he also used the name Iehovah in his book. The name Iehovah was altered with the addition of the letter J, which was a recent addition to the English alphabet in the 17th century. Galatinus also did not know of the Jewish practice of adding vowels from an entirely different word. He did not know that the vowels found around the Tetragrammaton YeHoWaH were from the Hebrew word Eloah, and if he did, he did not care.
Noted Bible scholar J. B. Rotherham, essentially stated, “To give YHWH (Latin: IHVH and later JHVH) the vowels of the word (ELOAH) to remind the Jewish reader to say, ‘Adonay,’ and to be pronounced by the Christians, ‘Jehovah,’ is about as hybrid a combination as it would be to spell the name of Germany with the vowels of Portugal-viz., Gormuna” (The Emphasized Bible, J. B. Rotherham, Kregel Publication, 1994, Pp. 24-25). Jehovah in its present hybrid form has only existed since the 17th century. Fact: The LORD’s essential name is YAH, and Bible scholars have acknowledged YAHWEH (see Strong’s #3050), as in “Praise YAH,” Hebrew: “Halleluyah!” The English “Hallelujah” is a misnomer. YAH is “the name which is above every name” (Philippians 2:9), and YAHSHUA is the only name by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12), and this name is to be known among every language, and tongue, as the essential revealed name of the LORD according to the Gospel (Philippians 2:11), YAH, as in HaYAH (the I AM). The Savior identified His name as “I AM” (YAH, see John 8:58). The prophet Isaiah identified the name of salvation as YAH (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV). And “shua” means “my help”, as in “my salvation.” To reject the revealed name of YAHSHUA, which was given by the angel (Matthew 1:21) is to stand condemned (John 3:18). YAHSHUA is shortened from the name YAHOSHUA, which is commonly spelled Yehoshua largely due to the Jewish practice of hiding the name YAH, by adding vowels to YHWH, the Tetragrammaton, from the Hebrew vowels of Eloah, which caused the false Yeh, as a result, scholars would consider YAHOSHUA a philological impossibility, however, they are mistaken.
What does the name Jehovah mean in Hebrew?
Je-hovah, “hovah” in Hebrew means, “Ruin, Mischief, and Calamity” (see Strong’s #1942, #1943). The Jewish Encyclopedia, states, under the name “Jehovah,” “This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form Jehovah, which, however, is a philological impossibility” (p. 160). The Jehovah’s Witnesses admittedly make a similar reference that the name Jehovah is inferior, in their book: Let Your Name Be Sanctified (p. 16). Undoubtedly, the name Jehovah is not the revealed name of the LORD! Many Christian clergy know the truth that the name Jehovah is bogus. Still, due to their tradition, or the fact that this name erroneously appears in the King James Version of the Bible, they hold to this euphonious name for the sake of their tradition, which makes void the revelation of God (Mark 7:6-7). The Lord has a warning for them, “And now, O priests (pastors and teachers), this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if you will not take it to heart, to give glory to My name,” says the LORD of hosts, “I will send a curse upon you, Yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take it to heart” (Malachi 2:1-2). Satan is deceiving the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Despite being told the truth of the one name of salvation, YAHSHUA, they will hold to the name Jesus and Jehovah, despite never having been revealed by the LORD. Many will reject the name YAHSHUA leaving only a few, and being of the many despite the admonishment: “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it” (Matthew 7:13-14). The name Jesus was never revealed by the LORD, or an angel of the Lord, and history proves this, as eminent historian Ernest Renan acknowledged that the Savior was never in His lifetime called “Jesus” (The Life of Jesus, p. 90). The name Jesus, in its present form, has only existed since the 17th century.
@@S.R.M. too long and unreadable
@@pamelasloan1664 I'm sorry you can't read and lack comprehension. It is your loss.
@@S.R.M.holy crap
So are you calling Jesus a LIAR........
The words of Jesus speaking to his disciples: ........
If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14:28
SO who is the Father that is GREATER than Jesus.....????
Psalms 89:26,
He himself calls out to me, 'You are my Father, My God and the Rock of my salvation.
And Jesus also quoted the book of Isaiah saying he was their messiah, the fulfillment of God's prophecy.
And Isaiah also said : And now, O Jehovah, you are our Father..........(Isaiah 64:8)
So I see that Jesus IS the SON of God not God himself.
No one is calling Jesus a liar! You just ignore what all anti-trinitarians ignore - the fact that there was a context to Jesus earthly ministry. What you need to do is dig deeper into scripture because some of the evidence is not easy to see at first glance. That is why quoting some of the things Jesus said does not prove anything unless we understand the reason why he said them.
Since Paul In Philippians 2 gives us an account of what immediately preceeded Jesus mission, we need to take a close look look at it:
Who, *being in very nature God,*
did not consider *equality with God* something to be used to his own advantage;
rather, *he made himself nothing*
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death-
even death on a cross! (Philippians 2:6-8)
Here we see transitioning from a position of equality with God, but not being able to "use it to his own advantage".
We also see that it is Jesus _himself_ who "made himself nothing". He wasn't forced to do so due to his having a different nature from the Father or because he was lower in value than him. He took on the form of a servant - _volutarily._
So why would Jesus put aside his divine glory, his divine status, and his divine privileges to volutarily take on a lesser form?
One reason is because of what Paul says in the preceeding verses - to give us an example of humility for us to follow. But it wasn't just that. It also has to do with legalities. Without understanding the legalities involved we risk missunderstanding what is going on behind the scenes in the gospels.
In order for Jesus to legally represent us and keep the requirements of the Mosaic law in our place he had to become one of us - fully human in every way - and to do so without taking advantage of his deity.
So what you need to ask yourself is this. How could Jesus possibly make himself nothing without at the same time making the Father greater? How could he keep the law, as a human being, unless he somehow limited himself? How could he do the things he did _without_ making himself dependent on the Father?
@@geraldsutton9981 Jesus is also called "the rock", because he is God. The reply that came before mine is the truth. Better take it serious and study to show yourself approved. nobody comes to the Father except through Christ. Cannot bypass him. Isaiah 9:6 Jesus is given the titles "Almighty God and even Everlasting Father". Your new world translation is wrong in regards to John 1:1-3. The Word was not "a god", "he was God". And the Word "Jesus" became flesh and there are many reasons as to why Jesus lowered himself and prayed to the Father and said the "Father" is greater than him. All had to do with his earthly ministry and much more. Deep spiritual truth behind all that which many falsely take out of context using it to affirm their false beliefs. You simply cannot bypass Jesus. Not gonna work out for you. You will be told "Depart from me i never knew you" . Much love.
Isaiah 9:6 says Jesus is "Mighty God" not "A Mighty God" He is also the "Everlasting (Eternal) Father" in the same verse. And Deut 10:17 says LORD (YHWH/Yahweh or the latinization Yehowa/Jehovah) is the "Mighty God" who does not show partiality.
'Mighty God' is not 'Almighty God'. Are you saying Jesus is the Father?
@@shylahtaeroni5454 Nope. I'm saying Mighty God is not "A" Mighty God and Both Jesus and YHWH are referred to as Mighty God.
@@chilidog73 Yahweh is not referred to as 'Mighty God' in Duet 10:17, he is described as great, mighty, and awe-inspiring.
There is a verse is Isa.. that YHWH is called Mighty God. Yes Jesus is called mighty god too.. If we consider these points we find the following:
1st set of descriptions:
-Jesus mighty god
-YHWH might god
2nd set of descriptions:
-YHWH Almighty God
-Almighty God, doesn’t exist of Jesus
Even if Jesus is described as mighty we don’t find the application of those titles that are exclusive to Jehovah ALL applied to Jesus.
Why do JW"s always go back to terminology they make up? He is correct, in isaiah chapter 9 Jesus is called Mighty God and then One verse later in chapter 10 Jehovah is referred to as Mighty God. So, using their inconsistent non logical reasoning, then Jehovah must not be Almighty God either.
We all learn from our mistakes don’t we? No I guess some don’t but we should try to.
Jesus was actually ACCUSED of "making himself God" by the Jews! How did he reply? did he say "Yes of course I am!" Just read what HE HIMSELF SAID about himself "I AM TH SON OF GOD". Read John 10:33-36. Then in Gethsemene. He told Mary "I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to MY GOD AND YOUR GOD" ( John 20:17). The bible is clear JESUS IS NOT GOD BUT THE SON OF GOD! To clinch it, what did he say on the cross? "MY GOD, MY GOD, why hast though forsaken me?" Dont believe mens view of Jesus!
Unitarians attempt to use Jesus’ words in John 10:34-38 to claim that Jesus was correcting the Jew’s misconception that he was claiming to be God. This is a monumental failure to comprehend the text.
The Jewish leaders asked Jesus to tell them plainly if he was the Christ (or “Messiah”). The Jews had a misconception about what the Messiah would be and “most were eagerly awaiting a political messiah who would overthrow the harsh Roman rule,”(1) so Jesus couldn’t give a simple yes/no answer. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God who was doing the work of his Father. Yes, Jesus’s claim to be one with the Father was a claim of ontological identity with the Father.(2) The “Father and Son are indistinguishable in purpose and nature but distinguishable in person. As in 8:58, Jesus’ claim here forms a climax to a discourse and prompts an attempt to stone him to death.”(3)
The Jews called God their Father (Joh 8:41) but they recognized that Jesus was claiming a unique status when he claimed that he and the Father were one (10:30). They rightly understood that Jesus claimed to be God but misunderstood the claim as a breach of monotheism. Remember the context of the passage, this is the feast of dedication. The Seleusian ruler Antiochus IV claimed to be God, stopped Jewish worship in the temple and sacrificed a pig to Zeus-which led to the Maccabbean revolt, and eventually the reclaiming and rededication of the temple (of which this feast in John 10 commemorates). However, unlike Antiochus, “Jesus’ claim did not imply that he was a second God alongside, and in addition to, God the Father (ditheism), but that his deity was to be accommodated within the framework of Jewish monotheism in such a way that the one and only God affirmed in the Shema could be subsumed under the notion of Father, Son, and Spirit-three in one-being God.”(4)
When Jesus was about to be stoned, he asked them for their judgment. They responded by saying that Jesus, a man, was making himself God (10:33). The irony is that John’s reader knows something these characters don’t-Jesus _is_ God (Joh 1:1, 18). “Jesus is ‘not a human making himself God, but God already made human,’ as the reader knows from 1:14.”(5)
Now, Jesus employs a rabbinical argument of lesser to the greater. If people could be called “gods” (θεοί) because God had placed them in roles of authority (Psa 82, Exo 7:1), if lessor mediators could be called “gods,” how could “they accuse him-the One and Only Son sent by the Father-of blasphemy for claiming to be the Son of God?”(6) Jesus pointed out that his works confirmed his identity. Jesus’ statement is not a claim that everyone can be called “god,” but that the scriptures supported those whom God had placed in the role of God, ie. designated roles of authority, to be called “god.” Nor is Jesus’ statement a denial that he is God, but that he is justified to be called the “Son of God” because of his ontological identity with the Father (10:30; which falls under the framework of monotheism) which his works bear testimony to. Jesus is saying, if lessor people can be called “god” (a greater title than “Son of God”) because of the position of authority they have been given, you can't object to me claiming to be the Son of God, which is not a title that makes me a second god in addition to God, but though it identifies me as Yahweh, it conforms to our sense of monotheism. If you don't believe that I'm the second person of Yahweh, look at my works, they confirm who I claim to be.
(1) Mark L. Strauss, Four Portraits, One Jesus, 2nd Edition : A Survey of Jesus and the Gospels. (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2020), 175.
(2) Murray J. Harris, Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament: John (Nashville, TN: B&H Publishing, 2015), ePub, Feast of Dedication.
(3) Harris, John, Feast of Dedication.
(4) Andreas J. Köstenberger, A Theology of John’s Gospel and Letters : The Word, the Christ, the Son of God (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2009), ePub, Jewish Monotheism.
(5) Craig S. Keener, The Gospel of John : A Commentary (Grand Rapids, MI.: Baker Academic, 2012), 827.
(6) Strauss, Four Portraits, 263.
Praise Yihovah the almighty God, and praise His Son Yeshua our King!
Yahuah Almighty
@@joshuab2437 they used to pronounce God’s name Yi•ho•vah although Yah•hu•ah isn’t very different, and many people pronounce it differently. I believe that if our Creator was concerned about the exact pronunciation we would know. Yahhovah may be more accurate. I don’t know.
@@jessejames4967 Yod Hei Uau Hei
= Yahuah
JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
@@TheCabin777 Jesus is God’s Son.
If Jesus is the son of God and was 2:36 given a message by Gabriel to Mary that she will bare a son from God, that makes Jesus a God as well. Yes, God is the Almighty and Gods spirit lives in Jesus which makes him God he was sent by God to Marry and to fulfill our rightly soul is to act and be of Jesus. We need to believe in Jesus and to be with God we need to Love Jesus first. In the Bible to be with God is to first be with Jesus. You trust in Jesus who is God to be with the almighty God. You cannot have Gods love without the love you should have for Jesus. Jesus is the throne to God that sits next to God. Only Jesus can save you and us. Jesus is the light the Omega and the Alpha. He can only save you. Jesus is God.
John3:5- * "l am telling you the truth,"replied Jesus."that no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.Amen*.John14:6-Jesus answered him,"l am the way ,the truth, and the life,* no one goes to the Father except by me.Amen. *
Amen no one goes to the father but through him. He is the channel between God and men a mediator between God and men Jesus Christ so how can anyone say he is God there is only one god the father in whom all things are and to his Christ.
It is also mentioned that we belong to Christ and Christ belongs to God so how could he be God.
Truly he is God's son
I liked how you put it great job
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Jesus is God
The trinitarians the manipulated the Bible forgot to change the words Father and Son, I challenge anyone to prove that the word Father means two people in one. In all three languages of the Bible, all the way to modern English it means one the begotten. Show me that it means different. Yeah
jesus is the son of God not god the son
A trinitarian can't explain the relationship between Jesus and his father Jehovah thats why they say he has to be a Trinity, but if they studied their bibles more they would find the difference between God and Jesus Christ.
@@InvestigadorTJ Oh, so you are a spokesperson for trinitarians are you? Well ok, sure, we don't believe that Jesus was procreated in the same way as human sons are procreated any more than we believe that being born again means that we have to "enter a second time into out mother’s womb to be born”.
What we believe is that the Father and Son relationship is eternal, just as Jesus' being High Priest of the new covenant is eternal - without beginning of days or end of life (Hebrews 7:3). You got a problem with that?
Here is why we believe that the Father and Son relationship is eternal:
"Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you *before the world began."* (John 17:5)
Jesus was neither created nor "begotten" before the world began. Why? Because to say "before the world began" is equvalent to saying "before time began". Not only does secular science acknowledge that time is an integral part of creation, scripture also refers to eternity in that way (2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2).
Time cannot be separated from space and matter. They were all created simultaneously.
Furthermore, Jesus could not possibly have been created because scripture makes it impossible. John 1:3 totally dismisses the idea:
"Through him all things were made; without him *nothing was made that has been made."*
Notice the unusual way that this verse is worded. It's almost as if John was trying to write a disclaimer. He could have said something very simple here such as "Jesus created all things", but he specifically points out that *_everything that has been made_* was made by Jesus. It's almost as if John knew in advance that people were going to twist scripture and try to contradict him.
You also need to explain why there is no account of Jesus creation anywhere in scripture. Wouldn't we expect there to be one? Moses who God chose to write an account of creation doesn't mention one and neither does Paul nor anyone else.
I was a JW for over 20 years, and now a born again Christian. God is: Father, Son & Holy Spirit. You must remember that before he came to earth, his name was The Word, or Logos. In this sense, Jesus is the Son of God & God. He now has a human and divine nature. This is where you are getting confused.
@@FreedomAndJustice4All in trinitarian theology the father isn’t really a father and the son isn’t really a son
@@FreedomAndJustice4All what’s also interesting is that most JW converts were Christian (Protestant, evangelical, or Catholic) and others were Muslim or another non-Christian religion.
Remember what Matthew 27:54 says in part: “Surely he was the Son of God!”
I see you glow talking about other religions but I found your allegations entertaining and in many instances I found you contradicting not the J W but the Bible itself so that makes an apostle.
I am not a J W but I know their teaching.
Is there a group, organization or religion, if you will, that got something wrong?
Not even the first religion.
You claim to be a doctor, right?
A Dr. on what?
In theology?
Go back and collect your money or start all over again.
To be continued.
Buffoonery
May i know how it is contridicts
@@amithabjose1005 There are things the bible tells us, regardless of any particular denomination. That's the bible telling us what we need to know but when we go and argue the opposite just because this denomination cites those texts. We do not like that 'religion in particular' or some people feel they are, somehow, competitors we are not arguing against that group, organization, or religion but against the bible. By definition against God himself, sometimes.
the apostles claimed the brought forth the name of GOD to the nations,they brought forth the ONLY NAME OF JESUS ,end of the story.
Thanks for that amazing teaching.
You are welcome.
@@africanchristianuniversity785 Greetings! I'd like to see how
YOU deal with the following questions.
1) If GOD the FATHER isn't the Eternal HOLY SPIRIT, then just What
IS HE??
2) If Jesus isn't THE HOLY SPIRIT-----Then HOW can he be GOD?
3) If Jesus is GOD.....Literally, then when did he BECOME GOD, in
Your estimation.
When he began the Ministry Set before him by GOD?
When he was a 12 year old boy, learning the Word of his GOD and
FATHER in the "TEMPLE,"
OR;
Was he GOD.....Literally, Right out of the Womb?
AND;
WHY doesn't Jesus know the time of his OWN return? Do you
Still hold to the same reply you gave to that Muslim panel, about
a year ago?
"Well, maybe GOD kept some things from Jesus...."
Is that Still your answer?
Thanks for your reply.
Respectfully
@@africanchristianuniversity785 You never offer a reply to my
Comments-----I wonder Why?
@raygsbrelcik5578 that's a choice way to phrase that question.. "why doesn't Jesus know the day or the hour of his OWN return?"
Good food for thought.
Almost like he's waiting for the go ahead from a superior authority...
Ps110:1
@@MrMore470JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
So if you understand that that there is only one God, why do you make him a trinity? Key frase (one God). Not three.
The trinity does NOT teach that God is three. Please do not distort something that you clearly do not understand.
Im not a Jehovah's witness but they do know their bible better then they do here.
Absolutely correct, most in here wouldn't know Genesis from Revelations
@@pamelasloan1664.....Or, Christ, from, GOD the FATHER!
Did you know that their translation teaches that Jehova died?
@@jakubheliniak1156 how so ?
@@EliasZ-yy3gc how do you figure that preposterous idea ?
Dr James white 🐐
Jesus is God, He is the only King of heaven. Jesus is God because He HAD BEEN the almighty God. God was able to do all his work in the past, before the world began ("the world has not known you"). His power was no necessary any longer so He dismissed it in order to become like a normal man : the Son of God. Thus, the Son is alone in heaven, He sits next to the POWER of God.
You said next to the power of God so Jesus acknowledged he was not God but at the power of God
@@Musicnest.
Jesus sits next to the POWER (of God). The POWER is a THING. "ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the RIGHT HAND OF POWER and appearing in the clouds of heaven."
"When THE SON OF MAN comes with HIS HOLY ANGELS [I.e. the Father is missing], He shall sit upon the throne of His glory. Before Him (not before Son and Father)..." In other words Jesus is the ONLY KING of heaven, alone.
It is one thing to talk about Jehovah's Witnesses and another thing to talk to one.
White debated Stafford, a JW and he did not do well.
True and James White has not engage in refuting Greg Stafford’s latest JW books .. the last one he did was Greg’s 1st edition and didn’t go any further… I wonder why???????
Jws aggresive you have to be joking
It simply means very active. Not sure if English is your first language, but it can have various meanings.
@@JimL2883 aggressive and active are two different meanings entirely
According to the Gospel of Christ
One’s salvation depends on:
THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME
Moses asked for God’s name, and God said, “HaYAH Ashar HaYAH,” translated, I AM Who I AM (Exodus 3:13-15). I AM is YAH! So we say, “Halleluyah!” “Praise YAH!”
YAH is “The name which is above every name!”
The Prophet Isaiah spoke of YAH as the name of salvation, behold, “God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid; ‘For Yah, the Lord, is my strength and song; He also has become my salvation’” (Isaiah 12:2 NKJV).
{The name of Jesus has only existed since the 17th century, before that, the name Iesus, before that the Name Iesous, and that name is a transliteration of the name Yeshua.}
The angel of the LORD did not reveal the names: Jesus, Iesus, or Iesous. The angel said, “And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name YAHSHUA, for He will save His people from their sins” (Matthew 1:21).
The Messiah of Israel said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Christ told them that He is YAH, the God of Israel, The only Rock (Isaiah 44:8; 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
The apostle Peter testified to the name YAHSHUA, “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12).
The apostle Paul on the Road to Damascus encountered Christ, “So I said, ‘Who are You, Lord?’ And He said, ‘I am YAHSHUA, whom you are persecuting” (Acts 26:15). Did the apostle Paul testify to hearing THE NAME WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME?
The apostle Paul acknowledged that he heard the name which is above every name {YAH}.
Philippians 2:9 “Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name {YAH}, 10 that at the name of YAHSHUA every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that YAHSHUA the Christ is LORD, to the glory of God the Father.”
To accept any other name other than YAHSHUA that was not revealed by God is to reject the name of salvation. And, “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God (John 3:18). YAH is the name which is above every name, Halleluyah, Praise YAH, Praise YAHSHUA! (www.nazareanministryofyahshua.com)
You really need to pay attention - when it says, above every name, it is obvious that this would not include the one who gave Him His name.
That said, the ongoing issue with this, is that many people today simply cannot be bothered to investigate matters beyond that of proof-texts, and at the cost of the obvious truth.
Verbosity is indicating low I q. Exodus 3:14 original language " existing keeps on existing" kjv( nkjv not good translation). Jesus addresses the Sanhedrin with Exodus 3:14. For a reason!!!! Jews had no doubt what He was claiming. Btw.
@LTL307" I and the Father are one. He who has the son, has rhe Father. He who does not, has not the Father.
@LTL307 I'm the son of a man... does that mean that I am not a man?
@@smalltimer4370 Because the Father gave all things to the Son, YAHSHUA, this makes Him the Most High. I'm sorry you have such a limited understanding of this.
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Truth is Simple if you read God's word like a child.
A clear, fresh mind without preconceived ideas stamped upon the brain by sincere yet misled teachers.
John 4:23
Is true worshipers worship The Father of Christ...
What of everyone else?
John 4:24 Jesus as a human said "God is a spirit and those who worship Him must worship with spirit and Truth."
At John 20:17 Jesus speaks uses the word My Father and ,My God...
John 14: 6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
So as Christians Jesus is the way to the Father ..
The route not the destination.
Like going to the Florida Keys
The "Overseas Hwy"
"Hwy 1" is the ONLY Way there.
So when I reach the Overseas Hwy 1 Bridge should I park and celebrate and invite people to "come join me here at Key West?"
No Key West is still far ahead.
Overseas 1 is the way. The Only to Key West by road.
It would be immature, premature, and show a lack of map knowledge and common sense.
So the same if you Worship Jesus and advertise that he is a Christian's Ultimate, Final destination.
He is the only way to his Father.
Like Overseas Hwy 1 is the Only way to Key West.
But you say: Well this is what my parents taught me and their parents taught them and 6 generations prior.
They all called Manatee Cove Key West and invited guests and visitors from all over the World to joint them there.
They all believed sincerely they had been to Key West.
Then a small group of Christians decides to study the map more closely and the see the majority are misguided or lack the desire or skill to read the entire map for themselves.
They see Key West is far from the preconceived location being pointed to by the majority of misled travelers.
So they point out that yes Hwy 1south is the way.... But Manatee Cove is not Key West
You must travel further. No matter what your parents and grand parents believed and told you.
JWs follow the Only way to the Father. And Jesus is greatly glorified as the Only way to please and worship Jehovah Psalms 83:18 his God and Father 1 Peter 1:3 John 20:17
Revelation 3:12 Matthew 6: 9,10 7:21-24
John 17: 3 puts it simply
Our everlasting life depends on knowing the only true God, the Father. And the one he sent forth to represent him Jesus Christ
Unfortunately for you.......the father tells you to honor the son likeyou honor the father.....So tell us how do you honor the father?
@@KarineSmith-r6w such a reach... Weak
@@KarineSmith-r6w Jesus is the Way to God. You better honor him. He is The Free Gift.
From God John 3:16,17
To ignore Jesus you are probably a Jew.
Their house is abandoned to themselves.
They are on their own.
We Accept Christ
We , like Christ, Worship his God and Father John 20: 17
1 Peter 1:3, Colossians 1:3
1 Corinthians 11:3 Rev 3:12
@@KarineSmith-r6w John 4:23
Sorry User-
User, when Patchoo says, "weak," it means he can't argue the point, so he just dismisses it. He does the same thing when I show him that the NT authors identify Jesus as Jehovah, the second person of the triune God by citing OT Jehovah passages and attributing them to him: Mar 1:2-3 (citing Isa 40:3 & Mal 3:1), Rom 10:13 (citing Joel 2:32), Phi 2:10-11 (citing Isa 45:23), 2Thes 1:9 (citing Isa 2:10), Heb 1:10-12 (citing Psa 102:25-27), 1Pe 2:3 (Psa 34:8), 3:14-15 (Isa 8:12-13).
You know many people don't even realize or notice that Jesus was called mighty god not Almighty. Jehovah god is the Almighty god the father is noted as being the almighty god if one studies they will find out why his father aloud him to be called mighty god, heres a clue he died for our sins.
Jehovah sent his son Jesus
@@Musicnest. Yes, he sent his Son. So in the following passage, *who is being sent,* and *who is sending him:*
"For *this is what the Lord Almighty says:* “After the Glorious One has *sent ME* against the nations that have plundered you-for whoever touches you touches the apple of his eye- I will surely raise my hand against them so that their slaves will plunder them. *Then you will know that the Lord Almighty has sent me."* (Zechariah 2:7-9)
Or in the next two verses. *Who is being sent,* and *who is sending him?*
"For *I am coming,* and I will live among you,” *declares the LORD.* “Many nations will be joined with the Lord in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that *the Lord Almighty has sent me to you."* (Zechariah 2:10-11)
Perhaps people should learn the origins of the Trinity. Just for the record , Jehovahs Witnesses are not the only o es who know that the Trinity is a man made Doctrine. History has proven it.
• In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote:
"The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate."
- The Classical Journal, April-May 1974. page 376.
• Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989:
"In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.
Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote:
The NW (New World Translation)
emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared." Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the…
the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing."
-The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.
Author Charles Francis Potter said:
"The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen."
--The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences.
Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating, "The translaton of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement (Jehovah's Witnesses) of scholars qualied to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation."
-Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31.
Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators
"possessed an unusual competence in Greek." - Andover Newton
Quarterly, September 1966, page 26.
olusesanmoses413 regardless of your quoted sources, a casual comparison of translations shows the inaccuracies of your sources quoted. Your appeal to authorities quoted has no bearing on the truth readily available in comparison.
@@leonardhunt7241 These are neutral and unbiased opinion, regardless of your colored comparison.
Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989:
"In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.
Author Charles Francis Potter said:
"The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, With scholarly ability and acumen."
--The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has "independent readings of merit."
-The Interpreter's Bible, Volume I, page 99.
@@olusesanmoses413 You can certainly say and assert that your professional quotes are unbiased and neutral. Regardless, anyone’s comparison of multiple Bible translations CLEARLY makes those quotes from you disqualified. I don’t apologize for showing this to you. It’s obvious to the abundance of information that is available to anyone today.
@@olusesanmoses413 *"These are neutral and unbiased opinion.."*
Oh please! Don't make me laugh!! Unbiased? The Watchtowers is infamous for cherry-picking scholars to support the NWT and ignoring all the others that reject it, which is pathetic and hardly what I would call "unbiased"!
Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein is a *Jewish unitarian* who received his PhD from Yale in 1969, but NOT in Hebrew. It should also be noted that he limits his comments to the *Hebrew* Bible. What the Watchtower fails to mention is that criticism of the New World Translation is particularly concentrated on Christological issues, NOT the Hebrew Bible!
Charles Francis Potter was a *Unitarian* minister. He founded the First Humanist Society of New York and the Euthanasia Society of America. And he is supposed to be unbiased?
And as for Professor Allen Wikgren, he does not go on to define which “independent readings” of the NWT he finds to be “of merit.” We do not know what Dr. Wikgren thought about the NWT’s more controversial renderings, such as John 1:1 or Colossians 1:16.
@@olusesanmoses413
*This was copy and pasted from the watchtower “Is the New World Translation Accurate?” ijwfq article 36.*
I speak with witnesses quite often and you guys do this all the time. You never read any type of literature outside of the organization and just copy and paste partial quotes from your website.
But here’s a question for you:
*_Who decided which books would go in the Bible?_*
Positive comments about the New World Translation from non-Witness scholars
In a letter dated December 8, 1950, noted Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed wrote regarding the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures: “I am interested in the mission work of your people, and its world wide scope, and much pleased with the free, frank and vigorous translation. It exhibits a vast array of sound serious learning, as I can testify.”
Bible translator and scholar Edgar J. Goodspeed
Edgar J. Goodspeed
Professor Allen Wikgren of the University of Chicago cited the New World Translation as an example of a modern speech version that rather than being derived from other translations, often has “independent readings of merit.”-The Interpreter’s Bible, Volume I, page 99.
Commenting on the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, British Bible critic Alexander Thomson wrote: “The translation is evidently the work of skilled and clever scholars, who have sought to bring out as much of the true sense of the Greek text as the English language is capable of expressing.”-The Differentiator, April 1952, page 52.
Despite noting what he felt were a few unusual renderings, author Charles Francis Potter said: “The anonymous translators have certainly rendered the best manuscript texts, both Greek and Hebrew, with scholarly ability and acumen.”-The Faiths Men Live By, page 300.
Although he felt that the New World Translation had both peculiarities and excellences, Robert M. McCoy concluded his review of it by stating: “The translation of the New Testament is evidence of the presence in the movement [Jehovah’s Witnesses] of scholars qualified to deal intelligently with the many problems of Biblical translation.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, January 1963, page 31.
Professor S. MacLean Gilmour, while not agreeing with some renderings in the New World Translation, still acknowledged that its translators “possessed an unusual competence in Greek.”-Andover Newton Quarterly, September 1966, page 26.
In his review of the New World Translation that forms part of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, Associate Professor Thomas N. Winter wrote: “The translation by the anonymous committee is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.”-The Classical Journal, April-May 1974, page 376.
Professor Benjamin Kedar-Kopfstein, a Hebrew scholar in Israel, said in 1989: “In my linguistic research in connection with the Hebrew Bible and translations, I often refer to the English edition of what is known as the New World Translation. In so doing, I find my feeling repeatedly confirmed that this work reflects an honest endeavor to achieve an understanding of the text that is as accurate as possible.”
Based on his analysis of nine major English translations, Jason David BeDuhn, associate professor of religious studies, wrote: “The NW [New World Translation] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared.” Although the general public and many Bible scholars assume that the differences in the New World Translation are the result of religious bias on the part of its translators, BeDuhn stated: “Most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation of the original expressions of the New Testament writers.”-Truth in Translation, pages 163, 165.
Very insightful - thanks Dr. White & ACU!
It’s not a confusing thing, when talking about the partakers going up. There was a ‘question from readers’ in a Watchtower of 2007 which changed the concept of the anointed being complete in 1935. It changed that they did not know anymore. It’s not directly connected to 1914. So, from 2007, it’s open to increase the anointed number and it has been going up about a 1000 new partakers a year. Your information is mostly correct and very well told.
I have studied the trinity far and wide, but as Bart Ehrman states in his books, the people of the time did not believe Jesus to be God and the people after Jesus death, could not understand who Jesus was en started building the theory of the Dual and later Trinitarian believe. Jesus told the knowledge would be known to the most basic of people. So both the trinity and the man made concepts that crept in the Jehovah’s Witness ideas are not from God in my opinion.
Why would a jealous god ever ‘force’ people to believe in one entity, while he himself is not one, but multiple persons. That makes no sense at all to me.
Dude, you missed it. Read John 24. Jesus went through all the Old Testament and clearly explained that even Moses had written about Him. That is why Jesus told the Pharisees that if they believed in Moses's writings, they would believe in Him.
@@bitesizeenglish3716How is this a response to what I was saying? Certainly the septuagint is not talking about god coming to earth. They believed a messiah would come and stay here on earth. The Pharisees did not believe Jesus was this messiah. So Jesus was arguing that they should believe him to be that based on their scriptures. That has nothing to do with the argument of the trinity being true.
Bart Erhman’s theory about the divinity of Jesus evolving overtime after His death is not supported by the evidence. We have good reason to believe the creeds in Paul’s letters are from very close to the time of Jesus’ death (~40 AD)
We have fragments of the gospel of John from around 100AD that match manuscripts that our Bible is based on. This means that John was widely circulated at that time and is full of assertions of Jesus’ divinity. Mark was even earlier and has Jesus attributing prophecies from Daniel to Himself and claiming that the Holy of Holies as His seat.
Hebrews was likely written between 50 and 65 AD. It attributes OT passages about Yahweh to Jesus. It even says the Jesus is the author and perfector of our salvation, and He is superior to angels, prophets, and the Leviticus priesthood.
Very sad the Bible is not hard to understand with God's help,
I hate to text but read your Bibles and don't go beyond what is written Trinity is not Scriptural, there is one god the father and his son Jesus Christ.
Jesus never claimed to be God but the son of God. His Father gave him the right to be worship. Giving his son all things. Remember what Jesus said after the thousand years he would give the kingdom back to his father. And as far as the holy Spirit goes it says it's our helper and never says the holy Spirit is a god.
The holy Spirit imparts power to us when we need it.
@@Musicnest.where in the Bible does it say Jesus will give up the kingdom after 1000 years? It says otherwise in Daniel 7 and Revelation 11.
Then why does the author of Hebrews attribute the passage in psalm 102 about Yahweh to Jesus as explained why Dr. White?
Stating your claim authoritatively without addressing the evidence that was presented is not a good way of convincing someone of anything. It just demonstrates that you didn’t pay attention to the person who presented the evidence.
Keep in mind, Trinitarian believe the God-head are separate persons with the Father having authority over the Son. We believe that they share the same nature, before creation of the universe, will have everlasting dominion and we will serve/worship them forever.
JW believes Jesus is created-that Jesus does not share a nature with the Father-like you would create a painting Trinitarians believe Jesus is begotten-like the way you would beget a baby. If you agree that the Father gave Jesus the right to be worshiped, you must either believe He is one with the Father or the Father is superseding the 1st commandment and Deut 6.
I bet you draw wealth open thy fathers name . The says that you should not make money or payed for preaching the good news of the kingdom it should come from the heart . So if you are making money to do Jehovah’s will thin you are false. The Bible say that the blind will led the blind
you are contradicting your own doctrine,your doctrine is the holy spirit is not a person" while your teaching is the holy spirit is third person of god
" trinitarian monotheism"
now you are telling that the holy spirit is not god but a force
Please try listening to the video. Dr. White believes that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct subsistences (persons) of the one God.
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Thank you, Dr White ! Praise Yahweh!
Christ is NOT YAHWEH, my friend.....he is, Yeshua Hamashia. There is
a subtle, but distinct difference between these names.
@@raygsbrelcik5578JESUS is GOD ALMIGHTY
@@TheCabin777 Actually, Isaiah 9:6 infers that Jesus would be called Mighty God: “El Gib-bohr,” (compare Jo 1:18 in a Greek Interlinear) not Almighty God: “El Shad-dai,” (Ex 6:3) And though the KJV says-“the mighty God,” Hebrew Interlinears show that the original manuscripts never said “the” mighty God. Too, we must remember that “God” is only a title, that’s why Satan is referred to as, “the god of this world,” at 2Cor 4:4.
@@tobeornottobe50 yes JESUS is the ALMIGHTY GOD, there is ONLY ONE GOD WHO is MIGHTY and ALMIGHTY, this is such a silly argument because BOTH JESUS and the FATHER are known as MIGHTY GOD and BOTH are also known as ALMIGHTY GOD in Scripture. Can you please tell me WHO is speaking in Isaiah 44-6 and goes on to say there is no other God but ME?
@@TheCabin777 Nah, that’s okay. I don’t mind leaving it at what you think and feel. Didn’t mean to get you all riled up. You enjoy your evening. Agapé my friend. ☺️
I combat JWs with the knowledge I have from being born into their cult. I knew as a small kid something was wrong with it. My father was an elder/circuit overseer, everyone knew him, even met Nathan Knorr as a kid at Bethel NY went to all those huge conventions at stadiums in the 60s-70s.
I refused to get baptized I was done with it when I turned 18 and moved out. But I had every book the JWs put out as my father had a library full at home.
Any online resources you recommend?
@nasticanasta
You can not un-ring the bell of Truth. John 4:23 John! 17:3
John 3:16 John 20:17
1 Peter 1:3. 2 Peter 1:3
1 Corinthians 1:3 2 Corinthians 1:3. Ephesians 1:3
Any and All Bibles teach the same truth 1 Corinthians 3:23
1 Corinthians 11:3
@@patchooo84 It's funny how many of these verses contain the numbers 1 and 3. A subtle hint maybe?
But seriously, which of these verses do you think disprove the trinity? Not one, not even John 17:3 does that. The problem of course is just that you simply do not understand the gospel in its entirety but prefer to pull verses out of context.
@@paulbrennan4163 it's your lack of knowledge of the Hebrew scriptures that allows you to get taken in by this Pagan concept of FALSE WORSHIP.
ALSO YOUR LACK OF HONESTY WITH REGARD TO THE WORD LORD, LORD GOD, GOD each and all consistently " the Almighty " and or "the Father", "that God and Father of Jesus John 20:17 and the lessor "Lord" regarding God's Son. Jesus was Originally referred to as Lord ( head, Leader } of all God 's obedient Worshippers, directing and educating 'called and chosen' ones,
Trinity is highly misleading. All being Co- existent, co-equal and co-eternal.
The truth of the matter is to paganize our OT Almighty, Most high and Grand Creator.
God needed to be diluted, demoted as it were.
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His 1st Creation, Jesus, His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, Had to be promoted to a new, higher position. This. Was an effort make Jesus equal to his once Almighty God and Father John 20:17
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God's Holy Spirit needed to be personified by crafting a new, creative designation.
The Holy Ghost rather than Holy Spirit or Ruah meaning breath, pressing wind or invisible force.
These are all clever, misleading, unscriptural changes of OT and Christ 's teaching.
Jesus, God's Son. God 's 1st and Only Son from his loins alone. Jesus was then blessed to be God 's Chief Agent, Co-creator, chosen savior of fallen mankind.
Colossians 1:15, John 3:16, Revelation 3:14, John 6:57
Matthew 16: 16 & 17
@@paulbrennan4163 bet you wish those were 3:1
Hahahahahaha
In a post Christian world it is now hard to distinguish any true religion or Cult ?...I say Christianity itself has become sort of like a tower a Babel itself with confusing dogmas and confusing biblical interpretation.
merci beaucoup autant d'obscurité dans cet exposé erroné est remarquable docteur
Myhusband hadbeen brianwashed he didnot give any thought tome or our family ,took his life over weall suffered no one cared jw told him to put God first it broken my heart and messed my6lovelychild in there life,
@@GloriaLawrence-vu7cz how did you suffer? Jw husbands are the kindest and most loyal of all faiths because they have to live there life according to Jesus examples as set forth in the scriptures
Talk about twisting the scriptures. My friend if you think Jesus to be God, then I have a question for you : If Jesus is God then WHO was he praying to ? ......If Jesus is God then why did he say "I am going back to MY GOD and MY FATHER ? So WHO is the God of Jesus, and what is his name, when you find the answer to that question then you will see the TRUTH behind WHO God is !
Jesus backed up that belief when in prayer to his heavenly father said,...”"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ. John 17: 3. Notice how he calls his father the ONLY TRUE GOD!
The first century Christians taught the same when they preached for example 1 Cor 15: 24-28 where we see in Vs 24 that Jesus has a GOD AND FATHER and that in Vs 28 he SUBJECTS himself to his God & Father!
SOME do say however, that Jesus does address God as his God and his father because he was A MAN however one of the clearest scripture which shows that Jesus is NOT God is Rev 3:12 where we see Jesus as NOT a man but back in heaven:
"The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. New International Version
So, please read Rev 1:1 which says: "a revelation from Jesus which GOD GAVE HIM"
So WHO is the God Of Jesus, and what is his name ? Please give us the answer to this ???
They can't answer that Stroud, well they could and they know what his name is, they just choose to ignore it because it doesn't fit in their doctrine. The don't get that the Hebrews all along had One God. Jehovah. And they're trying to disregard it just as the copists that removed God's name from the Bible and replaced it with LORD. And today these people think that, that LORD of the old testament is the same Lord in the new testament. They are a joke Stroud.
Rev 1:8
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Isaiah 9-6 calls Jesus Mighty God, Isaiah 10-21 calls the Father Mighty God.
@janetfowell5166 No mame' Janet that Mighty God is Jesus. I don't know what Bible you use but look in an old King James Bible at Exodus 6:3 and see who the Almighty God is. There is a difference between Almighty and Mighty. Almighty means absolute power and no equal. Mighty means powerful and strong. Jesus is the Mighty God. Read that scripture at Isaiah 10:21 and then look at Luke 1:32, 33 those two scriptures from the old testament and the new line up perfectly with who they're talking about. Jehovah or Yahweh God is Almighty Janet, Jesus is a Mighty God. And Isaiah said so. That scripture at 10:21 is Jesus. I hear people ask this question all the time, Is Jesus in the old testament. The answer is Yes he is, he's all over the old testament but people chose not to accept who and what he was at that time. That's on them. The proof is there they just chose to ignore it.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk “Isaiah 44-24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
Notice the Lord didn’t have a little god Jesus as a helper. He was ALONE by himself.
John 1-3 All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made.
Col 1-16 All things were created by him and for him.
Lol trying to support a doctrine thats not biblical
Luke chapter 1 tells us to be born is the son of the most high
Jesus is not the most high
What u mean to say mr false teacher is jesus is the trinity or jesus is person of the Godhead
Theree no trinitarian language found in scriptures
Scholars know that trinity. Hellfire and immortality of the soul is not biblical but yet Christendom still teaches it
Jesus warned the religious leaders of his day about there traditions
And they persecuted jesus and had him killed
JW is the most persecuted religion and they are neutral when it comes to wars and political affairs
Yet Christendom have taken sides in wars
The Jehovah Witnesses don’t believe that Jesus is God . He is the son of God . John 3:16 Jehovah so loved the world an gave his only begotten son who ever believed in him should not perish but have ever lasting life
1. "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
2. "The Puranas, one of the Hindoo Bibles of more than 3,000 years ago, contain the following passage: 'O ye three Lords! know that I recognize only one God. Inform me, therefore, which of you is the true divinity, that I may address to him alone my adorations.' The three gods, Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva [or Shiva], becoming manifest to him, replied, 'Learn, O devotee, that there is no real distinction between us. What to you appears such is only the semblance. The single being appears under three forms by the acts of creation, preservation, and destruction, but he is one.'
"Hence the triangle was adopted by all the ancient nations as a symbol of the Deity . . . Three was considered among all the pagan nations as the chief of the mystical numbers, because, as Aristotle remarks, it contains within itself a beginning, a middle, and an end. Hence we find it designating some of the attributes of almost all the pagan gods" (Sinclair, pp. 382-383).
...The Trinity is a Pagan teaching.
The Word of God trumps the words of men. The Trinity is clearly displayed in Scripture and that is the only opinion that matters. If pagan religions had any belief in a triune god then that just proves the concept that even a broken clock is right twice a day.
The Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible and the Bible is very clear Jesus was created and has a God. Trinitarians are Pagans, not Christians.@@emjay_mcri
@@emjay_mcri love it 👍
@jacobfield4848 your reciting jw theology.....what's your scriptural proof Jesus was created?
@@emjay_mcri well said.We know pagans always imitate somehow the truth.......
Jesus is not God? Uh, no, he isn't. Instead, Jesus is the Son of God who was sent into the world BY God. As Jesus himself said: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." (John 3:16, 17) 1 John 4:9 adds: "In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him." So, who was it that came into the world? Was it God himself? Or did God send someone else, namely, his Son, Jesus? The answer should be obvious.
Seriously john 1:1 who is god
@@amithabjose1005 "Seriously john 1:1 who is god."
Seriously, according to your version of John 1:1, if Jesus is God, who was _with_ God? Was he with himself? BTW, did you bother to read my first post?
It's apparent by your questions you didn't listen at all....he did say the trinity was modalism!
*didn't
@@robertmardis2110 "It's apparent by your questions you didn't listen at all....he did say the trinity was modalism!"
I never said anything about modalism. In case you can't read, the name of the bald guy's video is, "Is Jesus God"? Well, in his mind, Jesus is one God and that he is a part of another God who is triune? So, do you believe in two Gods, namely, a oneperson deity and a three-person deity? Or. do you believe in the Father, who Jesus said is "the only true God"? (John 17:3)
Oh, and stop presuming I didn't see the video because I did. If you had really read my post, you would know that I watched the video that just happened to be full of lies.
Jesus is god!
That title got my attention and I believe in he's not God. He's a Mighty God just as Isaiah said he'd be and Jehovah is the Almighty God just like Exodus says he is. You people dont read your bible enough to know the difference between the two. Pity!!
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Wrong again...........Everywhere you FIND LORD in NEW testament ,"Kyrio,Kyrios,Kupio" its ALWAYS ABOUT CHRIST AND ONLY CHRIST.
You should know that the tetragrammaton is not present in new testament manuscripts at all,so the watchtower had no excuses to add ,when the bible forbidds to add or take off anything from the scripturesso the watchtower added an unknown name "jehova ";unknown from the manuscrripts ,from the apostles,unknown from jesusand inserted that fake name in the new testament with no reasons ,excusable reason.......... and since i repeat again ," er horkomenos " the one who was ,who is ,who is coming the GOD ALMIGHTY ,CAN ONLY APPLY TO JESUS .....so im afraid that the end of the road ........unless you can show "jehova" is coming back ,or the apostles claimed the name jehova as their GOD.......until then ,schuss .......
Then you are a polytheist! I thought there was only one God - Isaiah 44v6.
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Jesus is God Almighty. Learn w scripture. Watch my friend show you scripturally. Then say what u said again.
@@ScottRock-mr6qk Exodus 6:2-3 Yep. I got it. Pslm 68:4 (Jah) Pslm 83:18 (Jehovah). Now, JESUS Speaking, Rev 1:8 I am A n O says LORD (Kiryus in Greek) GOD. 1 Cor 12:3 NO MAN CAN SAY JESUS IS LORD apart from Spirit of God Romans 10:9 Confess LORD JESUS you shall be SAVED. 10:13 Jehovah?? Or JESUS? 3 in 1 in essence. Tri-Une GOD.
Yahusha's Name was altered to become IESU, then ISA for Arabs. The Name Yahusha was replaced by the corruption IESU placed into the Latin Vulgate in the 5th century CE.
Eventually the corrupted form, IESU, evolved to become JESUS in the 17th century CE for English readers. The lastest form was never seen until the later 17th century. The world has accepted this form, but the Eberith Name of the Mashiak is still YAHUSHA, meaning "I am your Deliverer." JESUS has no meaning in any language on Earth, but came about by the philosophies of men.
H3091 YAHUSHA (correct transliteration)
H3068 YAHUAH (correct transliteration) This became JEHOVAH due to 8th century CE vowel distortions.
H3444 YESHUA (incorrect word for the Name, but a common word meaning "deliverance.")
I did answer. No im not accredited, and your Bible is fine with me. Yes I’m a Jehovah’s Witnesses. I made it clear that none of that matters in understanding the Bible.
We use many translations NWT and more
@@InvestigadorTJ that is ok, wise to compare.
Yes, I Have already asked them and they Say Jehováh is the most High God and Jesus is His Son, so yes They are not the same person
The witness are trinitarians as well thats how the baptize themself. Trinitarian =catholic=roman from the devil. As the Trinity is a lie from the religions and whatever they try and to explain they are in a contrasiction. The way to inmerae in water is in the name of jesus for the forgiveness of the sins to receive the spirit of the Almighty in full blast
Your explanation is wrong God is not a,Trinity the spirit is not a person. Its the finger of God that does his will
I think we fail to realize that the offense of our sins is against THE VERY ONE WHO IS ETERNAL ,NO CREATED BEING NO FINITE CREATURE COULD EVER SATISFY THE OFFENCE CAUSED BY OUR SINS BECAUSE THEIR VERY EXSISTENCE DEPENDS ON HIM WHO IS SELF EXSISTENCENT TO BE SAVED FROM GODS WRATH I MUST BE SAVED BY GOD NO OTHER SAVIOUR WILL DO..
That's very creative - though completely made-up and quite pointless to say the least.
That being said, the fact and conclusion is that the only begotten Son of GOD is/was perfectly suited to redeem mankind from the sin and death brought into the world by Adam. And moreso, that there really is no need to appeal to man-made ideas and beliefs in such cases, as the written truth is perfectly suitable.