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Arcane S1: 9.5/10 Arcane S2 Act I: 10/10 Arcane S2 Act II: 9/10 Arcane S2 Act III: 4/10 Arcane Act 3 Sucked. underwhelming ending that rushes its story. Story doesnt fall together or even make sense at parts. Visuals and animation saved them.
Episode 7 spoke to me on such a personal level. As a widower, it was a beautiful "what if" happy ending, but having to accept responsibility and deny that life was hard to watch. And then for it to be dedicated to Juliette was a gut punch since that was my wifes name. Very curious who the Juliette was they dedicated it to.
@@CzarsSaladWhy spread misinformation like this? Arcane's budget was never in question, the creators have said this multiple times. There are no 'investors', there is no ROI. Riot has more than enough resources to fund the show and they could've funded 20 episodes if they wanted to.
As a League of Legends player for over 12 years, seeing the love and heart that was put into Arcane is so rewarding. Seeing these characters that I have loved and played for years come to life in ways that I never thought possible has been such a wild ride. I truly hope that they can pull it off with their next project, but even if they can't, I'm so glad we will always still have Arcane to be proud of.
I think the fact that episode 7-9 didnt have any montages covering large gaps in time that all the montages in episodes 1-6 were more for the purpose of getting a lot of story done quickly rather than solely an artistic choice. I still like this season a great deal, but people saying it wasnt rushed is WILD. It undeniably was.
Season 2 was good liked it a lot doesn't quite hit the same as season 1 did but still really good. The quality of the show cannot be denied, and the peak moments are just as peak as s1. The thing that holds it back is it just doesn't fit all together tightly there's too much going on without it being shown properly. I do wish it was longer I feel like basically every story line was rushed besides the Vi and Jinx's relationship. That was the only plot that played out and developed thoroughly. Most other main characters like Ekko, Hiemer, Jayce, Viktor, Mel didn't have their stories cook for long enough. It just felt super rushed with every character outside the sisters. Jinx, Ekko and Isha are my favorite characters in the show and I felt somewhat disappointed not seeing an arc that had Ekko as the main. I feel like they could have added a whole extra arc with the Ekko stuff there was a really compelling story to be told there but Riot kind of dropped the ball with that storyline. Ekko creates hextech in that universe because he wants to go home but during the process he has to choose between staying being happy with the people he has lost or going back to try and save the people he left behind. That whole sequence was just waaaaay too fast and needed to bake in the oven more.
@@40krocks21 yeah that's true s1 had a ton of world building but I like that kind of stuff. The show was more grounded in s1 too easy to understand motivations and plot lines. I agree though s2 peak moments were absolutely insane. Absolute Cinema.
I don't think it's rush at all, they were side character that was well written making us more curious because the main arc of Arcane is still evolve around Jinx and Vi. That's the beauty of Arcane is that every side character is well developed, had a personality and have their moment like Isha. It's a well developed flow that told us the whole story without getting into detail cause they want us to crave for more details.
8:00 knowing yordles I like how more accurate they were. When yordles die they are instead transported back to bandle city which is like a magical dimension from which they come from. It makes total sense helper would just disappear like that after the explosion
Speaking of getting an "Arcane" type show again I think it will be so difficult to pull that off again because what I think they knocked out of the park is the nuances that come with emotional trauma and how the specific characters of Jinx and Vi especially deal with that sort of thing. I think the rest of the roster of League would have a hard time picking out a character that can give that much emotion again. Just my thoughts but sI trust in them to create another banger of a series.
I always thought an Ezreal show could do something. Most people think he’s just an annoying anime archetype (which he is on the surface level) but he does have some depth with his missing parents story and how he adventures to try and get there attention. They could use Ezreal to show more of runterra while also having that family trauma type stuff.
Garen and Lux has potential. Brother and sister dynamic. Sister is a mage in a mage-hating society. Brother gonna have to choose between duty and family.
Honestly you have a few. You have the story of riven and yasuo. Riven "accidentally" killing yasuos training master leading to him getting blamed for it. To which leads in him fighting and killing his brother, while riven has some amnesia and is picked up by a couple farmers taking care of her. You then have yasuo trying to find who killed his master vs this genuinely normally kind riven that was forced into a war causine her amnesia. They eventually have a confrontation in the story and settle their differences. Amazing lore and would be extreemely emotional too. you could also do pantheon and aatrox and that whole story. thats an amazing and gut wrenching story, and pantheon has some of the best hard hitting quotes of all time in the game. You got mordekaiser and noxus power struggle internal issues. You got the mage racism in demacia with lux and garen that would be super emotional. You got the power struggle in the frelyord and the looming threat of the old gods. You got the fall of shurima and the beggining of the void and darkin You have the rune wars that permenately scared the face of runeterra with ryze. You have the entirety of viegos lore that would be emotional if done right. There are actually SO many good emotionally gripping stories in league. They even picked an originally non emotional story for arcane and made it amazing. And to be fair it looks like they are going to noxus next season so im bettiner on those storing lines. However idk if i am hyped for the next season cause season 2 was so butchured and poorly handled.
i dont really like how they completly changed what the series was about, s1 was basicly building up the war between piltover and zaun but then in s2 the plot is about evolution jesus vyctor and they half assed the ambessa story whit the black rose they kinda created more questions that answers, they should have made a couple extra episodes to slow down the pace of the series making character arcs meaningfull
They did not half ass it bro anything bro they gave exactly enough to be curious and invested. There's lil 10 more series to expand from Arcane build-up and you will always ask for more episodes regardless
@@kiwitran8456 Curious and invested? There was literally nothing there. A few opaque spooky words and then mel waves her hands around and kills some random mage. Entire plot was a waste of screentime.
@@kiwitran8456hopefully that’s the case for most people. To be honest, I’ve kind of lost hope that they will ever be able to match season 1 which took 6 years if they have such a noticeable dip in writing for the second season. Definitely drained my excitement for a new show.
It was amazing for sure. I know nothing about anything but the storytelling and lore was always compelling. It was very fast in some ways and definitely could’ve benefited with more episodes. Regardless, the story clearly isn’t over. Something is to come and that definitely detracts from the resolutions because there is a future here we know nothing about yet.
Season 2 was very good, but like you said, I really do miss the themes of class division, inevitability, and tragedy. In particular, the tragedy in Season 1 works so well because we're given the vision of how it could be avoided if only 1 or 2 things went a different way. If only Powder didn't go to Silco's Lair, if only Vi hadn't left Powder, if only Viktor had reached out to Skye when he was a kid, if only Ekko hadn't shown up at Jinx and Vi's reunion, etc etc. A lot of the tragedy in Season 2 on the other hand doesn't have these elements as much, it's more "oh that's really sad" or "damn that sucks", but it feels like the only thing that could have happened, it's missing that gripping element that makes something truly tragic, imo.
The major problem with season 2 is that it went from being so down to earth to becoming abstract with apocalypse and magic etc. This is wrong in itself. Promises and payoffs. The entire tone of Arcane is that it's practical and down to earth with hints of magic and larger concepts outside the story which also gives a feeling of a vast world. They should have completely skipped the story around the anomaly and The Arcane. (I don’t care that it’s in the name). These are concepts and things that never get explained, are confusing, destroy already established lore and diminish the significance of other things while taking time away from other elements. The story around the Black Rose could have been hinted at behind the scenes without having any major significance for Arcane's story. It should only be hints. Which could be developed in the next project about Noxus. It would give the feeling of a larger world without taking away Arcane's down-to-earth feeling. And it would have made the viewer interested in potential future projects. What should the story have been about? The conflict between the two social classes! What the story was about in season 1 and what was built up to be expanded in season 2. The entire season 1 built up for the great conflict between Piltover and Zaun. And that's what the story should have focused on in season 2. With focus on the characters and their relationships as they need to deal with the harsh reality. That's what grips the viewer. How would I have structured the story for season 2? With a great war and conflict between Piltover and Zaun that develops throughout the season to then get a heartbreaking and impactful ending to the story between the different characters we have followed, but still leaves the larger overarching story with the conflict between Piltover and Zaun open and active. This keeps the world open and alive with possibilities for all other stories that can take place with other characters in Piltover and Zaun, while still getting a clear ending to the current story that played out in Arcane. What would that story have been? Okay, Jinx has just attacked the council and killed Caitlyn's mother and several leaders. Episodes 1-3 act 1 are perfect and build on this so nicely. The only change I would have made is that I would have skipped Isha completely. Instead, I would have dived deeper into Jinx's madness and instability that was so beautifully built up during season 1. I imagine Jinx really embracing the identity of Jinx and carrying out resistance against Piltover with full force through acts of terror and attacks. She's really a madwoman and villain, where her good side sometimes leaks through. These continued attacks from Jinx and some from the barons lead to Caitlyn becoming a dictator etc. I imagine that the hatred among Piltover's people should be through the roof. Especially if Jinx and people from Zaun carried out attacks and acts of terror that killed people in Piltover, maybe Jayce's mother too? This could pressure and force Jayce to use Hextech to equip the military. In other words, build on Jayce's hard side from season 1. Especially considering the anger he would feel after losing his mother. But also that he would likely have given up hope for peace considering they responded to the peace proposal with an act of terror in season 1 ep 9. Piltover's cruel response against Zaun would create tensions in relationships. Vi would leave Cait in the same way because of a fight and to be with her people. She can have her full drinking/fighting period with the big police guy. But then maybe she teams up with the Firelights who try to help the population in Zaun and resist Jinx and the other actors who commit terror attacks against Piltover. She and the Firelights try to find a peaceful solution with well-meaning/peace-oriented people within Piltover. Meanwhile, Piltover's brutality against Zaun and Jinx's active counterattacks with acts of terror lead to the Jinx cult being created. The group that follows Jinx and also wants to resist. Much more reasonable that this group is created if Jinx is actually an active party attacking Piltover! Then focus can also be on the Chem Barons. How these people and groups fight more directly against Piltover. Maybe we see the beginning of Renata Glass? In other words, Jinx and her followers stand for more chaotic resistance against Piltover with terror attacks and spontaneous attacks. While the barons represent Zaun's more structured resistance with troops and soldiers. Much better than just killing them off in some music videos. When it comes to Jayce and Victor, I think their conflict could have become so much better in this story. First of all, the conflict begins with Jayce supporting Piltover and providing them with Hextech weapons. Victor survives and realizes how to use Hextech to survive and to help others. Help via Hextech as a technical invention, not as some magical Jesus thing. I envision how Victor leaves Jayce and Piltover due to the conflict created when Jayce supports the offensive against Zaun. Maybe Victor saves some people from Zaun, maybe some supporters of Jinx, by giving them robot parts improved via his new Hextech knowledge. Then it turns out that these robot parts/improvements were used by Jinx's supporters to carry out additional terror attacks against Piltover, maybe this is when Jayce's mother dies? In other words because Victor is to blame, which Jayce understands because he recognizes the technology from Victor. This would have been the perfect catalyst for Victor's conviction about the glorious evolution. Because he realizes that humans are flawed, both Jayce and those he saved use Hextech as weapons and are all completely wrong. Solution: to remove the human factor from his robot improvements. So Victor doesn't just turn body parts into more robots when he saves them. He makes their minds and feelings more robot-like with his technology, something he's already done to himself. Glorious evolution!
The story with Warwick still has much potential. Similarly, the story with Ambessa and the Noxus invasion. I think that Singed should have created Warwick. His goal is to stop death and save Orianna etc. But one change I would like to make is that he actually works for the Chem Barons. And they finance his work because they hope he can develop stronger weapons they can use against Piltover. They hope, for example, that they can use Warwick against Piltover. Additionally, Singed should have several other researchers who are employed by the Chem Barons to learn from Singed. This opens up possibilities for more researchers who exist in Zaun and who might later create Mundo, Zac, or Urgot etc. I think later that Singed might be captured during a raid from Piltover. This causes him to activate Warwick in the same way as what happened in the series, just that now there's a reasonable explanation. Warwick is intended to be used as a weapon against Piltover. Moreover, maybe Singed wants to activate Warwick to protect his lab/Orianna from Piltover etc. Meanwhile, maybe Jinx is planning some attack on the prison to kill masses of Piltover people and free prisoners. Vi is there with Firelights to stop Jinx because she will kill several Zaun people simultaneously through the attack. Shows how Jinx is insane. Then the attack from Warwick happens and Jinx is there fighting and then sees Vander. This should disturb Jinx's fanatical state. Maybe she comes back somehow? Vi should probably see this. But she's the only one who sees it. Piltover's people, Cait and Firelights with Ekko etc. should still see Jinx as a major enemy. Singed should later be recruited by Ambessa. Meanwhile, Cait is slowly getting tired of her dictator role and all the death. She is slowly getting tired of Ambessa and no longer wants to cooperate with Noxus. This could be done via dialog and meetings with Mel that is still in Piltover in my version. They are both tired of all the violence and hatred. And Cait maybe gets closer to Vi and Ekko again. Similarly, Jayce starts doubting himself and the violence. He hears about Victor's work of "saving" people by making them more robot-like. He wants to save Victor from this robot state he seems to have put himself in. Jayce maybe comes down to Victor's lab where Victor appears to be doing very inhuman things with people. This causes Jayce to stop everything to end their suffering. This leads to them all dying. A scene from the old lore. If you know you know. I think the season could end with the conflict against Noxus becoming larger. It's Noxus troops that hit hardest against Zaun. So Zaun is against Noxus and Ambessa. Meanwhile, a confrontation arises between Piltover and Noxus. This results in Ambessa being forced to leave Piltover with her troops. I still want to argue that Piltover and then also Mel (who isn't stuck in Black Rose story) have more soldiers etc. in their city to drive away Ambessa. This leads to Ambessa preparing her entire army for an invasion instead, I think that in smaller scenes throughout the season you can have seen how she prepared the whole army for a major invasion in case her collaboration with Cait ends. These scenes are also where we could have gotten hints about the Black Rose. Meanwhile, Ekko and Heimer have researched the Z-drive. Similarly, Jayce builds and creates more and more Hextech weapons. But he realizes they can be improved with Victor's help. So he gets help from Victor even though Victor is increasingly robot-like. Jayce wants to reconcile with Victor, but Victor is more robot pragmatic and only helps because it is reasonable. Then the great battle begins. Noxus invades and attacks both Piltover and Zaun. Which results in both parties being forced to fight against Noxus and defend themselves. Goes tough for them. Noxus is strong. This is also where they have a scene between Jinx, Vi, and Warwick in a similar way to what was in the season ending (but better and more credible). That Jinx sacrifices herself in some way. They fail to save Vander, because of something Singed did or so. So Jinx sacrifices herself in a similar way as Isha did to save Vi, Cait, Jayce, and Ekko. Her redemption. Then the battle against Noxus continues. They appear to be losing until Jayce and Victor's improved inventions and Ekko's Z-drive turn the battlefield. Ambessa maybe dies, or not. Maybe she is forced to flee. But overall Piltover and Zaun manage to defend themselves from Noxus. Final scenes. See how Jayce tries to reach out to Victor after the victory. But Victor seems to be too far gone in his glorious evolution. They go separate ways. Jinx is presumed dead, but probably isn't. Warwick is to be taken by Singed who makes the final transformation of him. Show Orianna and that Singed works under Noxus now. Vi is together with Cait and they work together with the Firelights to try to create more order and collaboration between Piltover and Zaun. Meanwhile, you see how certain houses in Piltover haven't given up on the conflict between Piltover and Zaun and they don't support Cait's and Vi's ambition peace, maybe Camille's house? Similarly, we can see in Zaun that several Chem Barons are dead in Zaun after the battle against Noxus, but maybe a scene hinting at Renata Glass and future chem baron activity. Similarly, a scene showing that Zaun is still a wild place. Several of the doctors who worked under Singed remain etc. Shows that this story is over, but the larger story between Piltover and Zaun continues. Similarly, a scene from Ambessa that teases the conflict in Noxus which will likely be the next project for Riot.
I liked S2; I didn’t love it like I did S1. And I’ll go a step further and say I think that S2 should’ve been 3 separate seasons. There were so many music video montages that could’ve been individual episodes. They tried doing WAY too much in too little time. So either make more seasons or cut out a ton and keep the show as Piltover vs Zaun.
I may be in the minority here, but for me, as an ex-player of league, I just really did not like the design of Viktor's mask and just Warwick's design overall. Like, I just wish they had his wolf form.
The big problems with season 2 are the rushed pacing and the conflict between servicing LOL fans with prior knowledge of the Lore, and casual viewers. There are lots of Easter eggs and elements introduced from the game and game lore that either go nowhere or are not expanded upon enough. To say "dude, you just need to research the lore" is a crazy excuse for the poorer/rushed writing this season. Apply that logic to any other TV show/movie that didn't fully explain plot elements introduced within it. You'd call it bad writing. Season 1 is a masterpiece. It stands alone without needing to know anything about LOL and its lore. I haven't played the game and everything makes sense in S1. In big parts of season 2, I feel the creators forgot that and just rushed to get the characters and world to a point that matched the games. It doesn't work for casual viewers and, if it doesn't work for casual viewers, the screenplay has failed.
I can offer some forgiveness for small blunders or pacing issues in S2. Again, this was their FIRST show. What's to say they don't learn from it in a future show and consider pacing a little more carefully? S1 was a 10/10 for me, season 2 was an 8/10. Was it as good? No, but jesus christ an 8/10 is still a fucking good show. Also a lot of the "issues" I've seen people talking about (not related to pacing) is just them not paying attention enough lol.
Yeah, if I paid more attention it would have made sense for Vi to fuck Cait instead of trying to stop Jinx from killing herself Or it would have made sense for Vi not share any compassion for Jinx as she grieves the tragic death of her adopted little sister Or maybe it would make sense that Singed didn't invent shimmer in the happy timeline, despite him having already invented it by the time the heist happened Or it would make sense for Cait to let Singed be free after the war, even letting him have the hexcore presumably needed to power Orianna They killed all the characters and replaced them with plot devices
@@jogadorjnc Yes. Exactly. Vi clearly does show compassion to jinx, you are a complete moron if you missed it. Silco got Singed to create shimmer so he could use it as a weapon, the fact its not being used as a weapon doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Quite literally nowhere does it imply that Caitlyn "let" Singed escape or be free. He never was in the war and clearly they could not find him. Vi having sex instead of immediately chasing after Jinx is a result of high emotions and Caitlyn being there, and how the fuck would Vi even know that Jinx is going to kill herself lol
Okay, let me preface this by saying, I'm not a League of Legends player, I have never enjoyed the game. I have spent the better half of the last 10 years playing Dota 2 or even Dota 1 way back in the day. BUT when I saw a bunch of trailers for Arcane season 1, recognized how beautiful it looked so the least I could do is check it out. And to my surprise the show blew me away. Season 1 might be one of the best written and engaging animated shows of all time. Visually stunning as well. If today somebody asks me about S1 I would immediately say that it is a MASTERPIECE. With all that said, I had a lot of expectations and hopes for S2 living up to the greatness they gave us in 2021. However, even from the start I felt something was not right. Every episode was marching at a steadily increasing rate. Things were moving so fast and I felt like we weren't getting enough time for things to develop naturally. 1.The whole Jinx vs Vi conflict escalated and then moved on and then was resolved really fast. It just felt like we are on timer, like "Come on guys go go go, the train is moving, we have no time". 2. I love Mel as a character. Honestly THE most beautifully animated design of the whole show and the voice actress was phenomenal. But wth man, she went from a council woman barely surviving the terror attack from Jinx to getting kidnapped by unknown organization that was never set up or explained to all of a sudden she is this badass wizard. 3. The last episode had this grandiose vibe to it, but everything and I mean everything felt like gamey, fan servicey, catered towards the LoL community and fanbase. And I am sure it was appreciated, but this show could have grabbed the attention of so many eyeballs, so many more "normie" people. I know the LoL community is vast, but the normie numbers are greater. Also S1 had this feeling of weight behind every action scene. In S2 and especially the Finale the character became their gaming equivalents and all of a sudden I was watching a Marvel movie. 4. The final season came off as 2 seasons crammed into 1 because of time, and budgetary and other types of restraints. At the very least it would have benefitted from 4 more episodes, minimum. Final thoughts, phenomenal first season. I will talk about and discuss Season 1 with people for the next 10 years, at least. One of the closest examples of a modern day masterpiece. Season 2 felt a bit rushed, a bit fan service, a bit we need to wrap this up because its too big to sustain or too big to make more of. It didn't deliver the hype and expectations I had, and I assume that most people out there that are not familiar with the LoL world and lore probably felt something similar. I know that LoL players and the LoL community might feel differently about it, but my biggest fear for S2 was that they would lean into satisfying them, instead of trying to finish the story in a way that would grab everybody's attention, like S1 did in a incredibly successful manner. PS: Episode 7 was indeed a bottle episode, but it is just the cutest. Simply adorable. I hope people would understand where I am coming from, maybe in a couple of weeks time I might have a different opinion after some time passes and I ruminate over I just saw. Overall S1: 10/10 masterful work; S2: visually stunning, beautiful, gorgeous, the artists at Studio Fortiche are masters of their craft. But final score 7/10. I was left a bit let down from a storytelling standpoint. Cheers.
The show needed another season to tell its story properly. The season had a lot of great moments, but I felt a lot of those moments were rushed and unearned, and were largely carried by the music rather than the strength of the actual writing
are you dumb? you're probably the type of watcher who wants to have your hands held by the story tellers. the songs, and even the opening credits establish alot of plots.
Was fantastic front to back. I personally do think they'll continue with this format for another series given the nods to other characters towards the end.
I have to disagree with the sentiment that the 9th episode was too fan service-y because it was too much like super heroes. If anything I feel like they went the Marvel route in trying to tell the story of more 'grounded' characters. I don't think many people went into a show about a video game and then thought they suddenly had too many powers, especially given it's animated as well. In this arc we literally see multiversal interactions, development of time travel, protoevolution, etc. We watched 2 seasons of Singed make Warwick. I can't really get behind people getting to episode S2 E9 and suddenly think the show isn't grounded enough. I'll admit I'm more in the crowd that we got a great show like Arcane at the sacrifice of the lore. So really to me I saw the finale as the means to end a great story not due an entire service to league lore. So from my perspective it's feels like the opposite of fan service.
Lots of good in this Season. It fell a little short compared to Season 1 for me though. Season 1 had so much magic in the character development. This season got side tracked into the Viktor / Jayce thing. Too abstract and obtuse. Too many moments of 'why does that crystal do that thing?' or 'where are we and what's going on?' The Ambessa + black rose plot was also kind of hard to really get into. Season 1's focus on the emotional development of the characters was the strength. Keep developing that.
My interpretation of Heimerdinger passing is that he is an immortal being, he has seen pupils live and die, he has failed some of them like Jayce, he has even failed his city, but by tagging along with Ekko, just like he said “I truly lived” and so, in his old age, perhaps he feels as if he has lived enough. If the experiment was to fail, he’d sacrifice himself for his pupil to get to do something he already did: Live
Rushed Finale. They needed 1 or 2 more episodes after episode 7 to make the finale pop & believable. Zaun & Piltover working together at the end felt forced and I feel like they set up Jinx as this character that will unite Zuan but after the prison break Zaun kind of fell into the background and Jinx has nothing really to do with Zaun after that. Lastly the 'side' character deaths had no impact for me and the big death at the end make sense but could have been better. P.S. Watch episode 7 of season 1 after 2 - damn hits different
Season 2 was also a borderline masterpiece, but it felt like a very differently show. Less down to earth and fewer emotional gut punches, but still immensely impressive and engrossing for its scope and complexity. There were so many characters and so many forces at play that there was so much to pay attention to and try to grasp, which made it hard to follow at times. Some moments felt like a rush to the finish line and could have benefitted from being more fleshed out having longer periods of payoff. But even in those moments I was still absolutely along for the ride at every turn. The storytelling and animation are just too good to ever be anything else.
I have to say, after watching Act 3 again, they didn't totally stick the landing. While Ep 7 was great, they were dragging their heels a bit with all of the music numbers. 3 of them with each of them lasting 2+ minutes while we watch an expedited of "this is what characters are doing" just felt like fluff. Ep 8 was quite a bit better with the pacing. However ep 9 falls with vast majority of the season finales of the more recent shows: JAMMING FAR TOO MUCH TOO FAST. Not to mention that the wrap up to the end was "meh" at best. I agree that this should've been a 12 Ep season instead of 9. S1 was a 10/10 S2 was a 7/10 (the pacing is a mess).
S1 I give a 8; S2 I give a 4. Disregarding the great art and transitions. Storywise it just didn’t make sense and goes not lead to league of legends at all.
LIKE your comment, but 8.5 is a bit too high. Considering some bad/budgeted animations, shortened plot, music videos as fillers and more (I am not listing the many issues my friend has pointed out to me; most are valid and just), 7.5 or 8 is more reasonable. 😂 Watching Arcane Season 2 reminds me of watching Blue Lock Season 2...so there is no way I will give Season 2 an 8. As a whole, 8/10.
Felt very underwhelmed in the conclusion of the series. So many storylines left open, so many questions left unanswered and with no more seasons, they will never be addressed. Also, the "selfless savior" trope being used in nearly every episode had me rolling my eyes by the end. Overall the writing in season 2 felt sloppy leaving storylines feeling much less impactful vs. season 1. The animation and music hard carried the writing this season IMO. That said, season 2 episode 7 was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. I'm sure Riot will be paying "for your consideration" fees to get another award but all in all Season 2 felt like a disservice to the amazing setup of Season 1.
I think they did that on purpose because the story of Arcane is over, the story of runeterra and the rest of the league universe has probably just begun and the creators have already stated that they have other stories in mind that they want to create. So, I imagine we will see the furthering storylines of Caitlyn and Vi as well as an expansion of Mel involved in other storylines from other characters in the universe of league while they will no longer be main characters, they will have vast influences in the world. While some are already speculating the possible return of Jayce and Viktor and maybe even Jinx(some speculate at the animation when the blast initially happens, one of the streaks of purple is her escaping and Caitlyn is looking at the hexgate schematics at the end because she thinks there may be a probability that she escaped. That Jinx escapes in order for both her and Vi to live out their own lives free of each other having did what they needed to do, but this is just one of the major theories I have seen so far over the internet) as well as the probable return of Heimerdinger since he didn't seemingly get vaporized, but simply got sent somewhere else entirely. So, I would agree this would be very underwhelming if this is only it, but if the creators get their way and create other stories and have an expansion in the world, it's honestly a pretty good setup for the future.
I agree, season 1 was so impactful in the relationship with Vi and Jinx and I feel like it was brushed to the side for Jace and Victor, and while still impactful, Jinx has a BIG change of heart in almost 1 episode when the trauma she suffered lasted years. I enjoyed the show, but 3-4 more episodes I know it would’ve been better
I feel like the whole season could work if there were another season that would wrap up/explain how everything fits in my opinion. So everything would be broken down and and slowed down again
Maybe I've just filtered myself successfully, and yes the problems are obvious, but whatever. Episode 7, the watercolors in Remember Me, everything in this season (except for Mel stuff) was clearly intended and designed to be perfect. Did it fail in the effort? Yes. Was it still comparable to the greatest series writing yet to exist? Also yes. CLG
hot damn the first six comments are all AI slop ain't no way anyone who's watched HLL thinks Travis is a goated animator. he's too busy being the goated interviewer
ok... pretend you're a writer... can you please show us a draft of at least plots and subplots of the extra episode? be sure it's not full of unnecessary exposition
@@CzarsSaladYou are delusional if you don't think the story could have greatly benefited from an extra act. This season is basically 2-3 seasons worth of content crammed into one. The characters' stories are unfinished. If they knew the time constraints they were working with, they should've scrapped all the arcane/black rose/time travel stuff in favor of a simpler plot that focused on the core cast and the P&Z inner conflict.
@@CzarsSaladYour over the top defense of the show over any criticism is embarrassing. If you can't concede that season 2 has pacing issues than you are nothing more than a shill.
While I really like season 2 as a whole, the ending (narratively) was dissapointing for me. I don't think the tragedy referenced by the opening and set up by the first season was satisfied and it felt like the writers were afraid to make the characters face the consequence of their tragic flaws. The stuff was with the Aracae felt like it supersceded and invalidated the core confilcts and character choices at the last moment.
Episode 7 is the best of t his season. 9 is a great spectacles, but I have some issues with it, but I bet that is mainly cause I think they don't hit everything on the way up to the finale. I still liked it, but season 1 was special. I am really disappointed with Mel, I think the series could have been stronger if they put her more to the side in season two. That whole black rose plot kind went nowhere for me. And hat could have been filled up better. Jinx and Vi feel like they get short changed in the finale. I do think the whole warwick thing didn't really hit too well, felt like a bit too much fast tracking the sisters getting back together and, a lot more fantasy weirdness vs the grit that was the first one. I must say it does feel like there is a bit of a hole. Cause I have been anticipating this for the past 3 years. And it was really nice to look forward to new episodes each week. And now there isn't even more on the horrizon, and if there is more is a big question mark.
Arcane S2 had some great moments, felt CBM-ish in a great way. Riot messed up though by releasing Ambessa as a champion, they should have prepped a Mel release to drop as soon as Act 3 landed.
For a non League of legends lore guy. I did not like Mel much at all. I didn't understand the black rose stuff, I didn't understand her just getting a super power. All the other story lines made enough sense for me to follow.
Jayce waited until the end because they sent people away from the city using hex gates. Also they used hex gates to launch heavy boxes as their last line of defence against ambessa and her army
Agreed that future epic series might be impractical (and take far too long) but given the obvious excellence of the writers and artists involved in this and the huge potential for stories in runeterra, I would absolutely love to see them move to creating a Witcher 3 style narrative RPG. Spend some time filling out the lore of the other LoL characters and regions and creating dramatic stories within/between each. CDPR managed to create an astouindingly rich world in a relatively small number of years so I think a similarly talented team could really give us a much deeper and wider experience of runeterra, one we could interact with or just spend time in (like I still do in W3)
It was good. But if season 1 was S tier season 2 was A tier. It needed more time to cook. I don't think it's a writing problem. I think it was a production / budget problem. Just too much squeezed into too little time.
I always find it funny that when people talk about Jinx killing Caitlyn's mother that they never used that logic in the prologue. Caitlyn's mother is on the council that gave the order that led to the death of Jinx and Vi's parents. It is literally a part of the story of season 1 that no one ever picks up on. The final scene in season 1 happens because of the prologue. How obvious do they have to make things before you really consider the implications of what that means. If Jinx is guilty, then every person in that council room is just as guilty. That's what a cycle of violence is. You don't just pick out one person from on the oppressed side of the conflict and then throw all blame on that individual. That isn't how anything works.
Yeah, having those types of philosophical conversations is fair in the abstract, but people will always react to the way in which their favorite characters are impacted within the story.
I'm still just confused. How does Riot Games create a tv show that absolutely demolishes every other big budget show. The raw, unforgiving storytelling with the heaviest possible themes. Arcane is a wild ride from start to finish and my only hope is they dont drop to a lower gear in the future. This is how stories are meant to be told
Overall, I liked season 2, but there were definitely some plot points that didn't make sense or felt rushed, particularly in Act 3. The whole "Good Viktor save Jayce's life as a child just so that future Jayce can stop Evil Viktor" plot feels so odd to me because Jayce essentially creates Evil Viktor by creating Hextech. If Good Viktor let Jayce die, then Evil Viktor never would have happened. To push that point further, it feels like Good Viktor could have done any number of things to stop Evil Viktor from ever happening. Also all the black rose stuff was terrible and felt shoved in as an afterthought.
Hello Travis, you should watch Necrit video he had discussion ( its uncut ) with Christian Linke around 2 hours. You might find answer to some of your question on the '' Why ''
I’m hoping they keep going. Imagine them going to Bilgwater or Noxus in next show. Then later Ionia, Demacia, Freljord, etc and ending with the Void or something. That would be insane imo. Prob could end up rivaling or surpassing the mcu if they put the amount of attention to detail they did for arcane!
Disappointing ending. Too many ideas and not enough time. Series just feels rushed. Art fantastic and writing still better than 95% of other series but not a patch on season 1. Episode 7 nice but IMO should have been ditched to develop the other plot points.
I completely agree - episode 7 almost feels like a waste, using up valuable time that could have been spent developing the story more deeply before the finale.
1. why did jinx show up when she did, well she was trying to blow herself up being busy with that and then it takes time making that ship fly since it was not a full on ship to begin with 2. why was jayce not able to show down the anomaly earlier they hexgated people that did not want any of the fighting out of piltover, when the last ship left he could start
Episode 7 is a top 3 episode for me... It's just awful that it's followed by episodes 8 and 9. 8 was... Odd and unnecessarily anime boosted. 9 is the first episode i could say is legitimately bad. Arcane separated itself from other media by being a very "realistic inside it's own universe" and it threw all of that away to go jrpg. The show is still good, but season one is probably one of the best seasons of media I've ever witnessed. Season two had some very magical moments but they for sure missed hard with the ending.
My biggest problem with arcane is how they abandoned the themes of season 1 in favor of a more generic fantasy story in season 2. The whole Piltover vs Zaun and cycle of hatred stuff was forgotten to fight zombie robots.
I’m just happy we got what we got. We got a total of around 17 hours of quality animation for a good story, and that stuff ain’t cheap or easy to pump out.
Man I like Travis, but i don't think he has ever had a conversation about something that the audience likes without also telling the audience why you can't have it going forward.
@ yeah but he hadn’t shut them all off yet- so maybe if those were smaller Hexgates they didn’t take up as much power or something? The fact that they were firing shipping containers made me think they weren’t designed to be weapons and were instead used for sending or moving cargo and repurposed at the last moment. But those are just my assumptions. I haven’t seen anyone with more knowledge clarify it yet.
They ended it at s2 because it's hard to keep squeezing these characters and environment It's not like they did it to respect the story considering they left an absurd number of loose ends to be picked up again Arcane needed to end so they could start their very profitable League Cinematic Universe, so they killed Arcane early
The tail end (episodes 6-9?)was really frustrating to watch because of the amount of "haha you thought, but just kidding" the writers pulled. Ambessa at the tent, Caitlyn with the knife come to mind. Like why even have those scenes at all of you are just going to ignore the implications of what happened? Made me feel like the writers think the viewer is stupid or forgetful.
Thanks for the WW main shoutout. His hall fight was epic in episode 4, but I really felt underwhelmed on his role in the season and the animation choices that were made. Overall it left me disappointed and with a bad taste in my mouth.
I just realized my friend say to me epsd 7 ekko and jinx kinda weird, cuz these two build up like a sibling so its kinda weird and i disagree but after i realized yeah hes not playing the game so its kinda weird yess not impossible but there's little bit just a bit weird cuz ekko and jinx romantic never happen in arcane unless u play the game they have interactions that ekko love powder even tho jinx ia not cuz powder is gone but if we not play tge game the perspective is a bit weird
@Krimm664 I have, but at least with Game of Thrones the slow decline in quality of writing over the previous two or three seasons prepared me for the final season. Meanwhile, Arcane dropped on me like a ton of bricks, without warning.
All of your comments are just dripping with pretentiousness. No one here could have wrote a better story but it’s idiotic to think that should mean no one can talk about or criticize the show.
@@rylanmarriott8116 nah you don't get it. criticizing this season then saying season 1 is perfect is the dumbest thing I heard/read. Alot of the "mistakes" from this season were rooted from the mistakes of the 1st season. go watch season !, and you'll notice "pacing" is more of an issue also. Only one character in season 1 reached catharsis (Jinx) while all subplots have questionable directions. Season 1 is never a perfect, not even near-perfect season. People keep saying that because it was a pleasant surprise. Vi-Caitlyn love story was a forced, fan service subplot Medarda subplot was an unnecessary shit introduced late Viktor subplot was a meh among others I applaud the writers for actually trying their best to fix whatever shit they did in season 1
The introduction of Noxus was the biggest mistake this show made. It could have worked if we were given another episode per act or a third season, but since they were only doing 2 seasons the show would have benefited from removing the plot line all together. It took valuable screen time away from other conflicts that would have been more than engaging enough on their own (piltover vs zaun, Viktor and the Hexcore). Overall I'm of the opinion that noxus was the plotline that broke the plot and the reason why everything feels so rushed this season, it felt too external.
Episode 7 felt so out of place and jarring to me, it was a great episode but I wanted the continuation of episode 6 and it felt like that really was in episode 8 and 9 and that montage with twenty one pilots at the end of episode 8 was amazing.
I think I liked it because it showed the possibility of a different life as well as a hopeful idea behind what is the future to Ekko and understanding why Jayce did what he did and what he saw for us to make us understand. It is sometimes jarring, but I think I like it better there than not having it.
Yes!! It was a good break but I felt like it took forever to get back to the effects of the explosion (and they didn’t even mention isha ever again!!!!)
Riot are printing money. The series brought a ton of people to their games that haven't played them. No idea why you'd think they wouldn't keep pumping these out at the same level
Season 2 was so bad. Trying to do way too much instead of build off of season 1. Pointless lesbian smut, and unexplainable plot points. Ambessa was the only good part this season.
the vi cait sex scene was so forced and trashy. also why would they think that would be an ideal time for sex? ep7 was great, but disappointing finish. Maddie as a character should've hit the cutting room floor, there wasnt enough time to properly develop her, and it was ultimately pointless for the story.
Absolutely agree! I recently rewatched S1 before S2 premiered, and this season is better. I feel like people already have rose tinted goggles for S1. S1 is 9/10 and S2 is 9.5/10 imo
Episode 7 was my least favorite. Its a multiverse episode. F multiverse. Could've used all that time to the actual story and not a what if episode. Rushed ending
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Arcane S1: 9.5/10
Arcane S2 Act I: 10/10
Arcane S2 Act II: 9/10
Arcane S2 Act III: 4/10
Arcane Act 3 Sucked.
underwhelming ending that rushes its story. Story doesnt fall together or even make sense at parts. Visuals and animation saved them.
Episode 7 spoke to me on such a personal level. As a widower, it was a beautiful "what if" happy ending, but having to accept responsibility and deny that life was hard to watch. And then for it to be dedicated to Juliette was a gut punch since that was my wifes name. Very curious who the Juliette was they dedicated it to.
I think you're right on with the suggestion that a 4th block (11-12 episodes) woulda been better. Still, loved it.
and who would fund it? the filmmakers and the studio have already shelled out hundreds of millions of dollars with less to no guarantee of RoI.
@@CzarsSaladWhy spread misinformation like this? Arcane's budget was never in question, the creators have said this multiple times. There are no 'investors', there is no ROI. Riot has more than enough resources to fund the show and they could've funded 20 episodes if they wanted to.
Yeah..but we'll have to wait 1 more year if that happens
@@CzarsSalad ppl will flock to the games and ppl will buy skins and the like. wont recoup everything, but the notariety wont hurt
Honestly, they needed multiple extra seasons for this plot
Completely agree with you! Episode 7 is by far the best of both seasons. Probably my favourite episode out of any TV show ever.
exactly what I was thinking
Better than Episode 3 of season 1? Really?
@@JohnStarkYT s1x9 was also better and s1x3 imo
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who loved 7 so much. I cried for the first time in 20+ years when I rewatched the dance scene ༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
The animation with Vik and jayce was beautiful
As a League of Legends player for over 12 years, seeing the love and heart that was put into Arcane is so rewarding. Seeing these characters that I have loved and played for years come to life in ways that I never thought possible has been such a wild ride.
I truly hope that they can pull it off with their next project, but even if they can't, I'm so glad we will always still have Arcane to be proud of.
I think the fact that episode 7-9 didnt have any montages covering large gaps in time that all the montages in episodes 1-6 were more for the purpose of getting a lot of story done quickly rather than solely an artistic choice. I still like this season a great deal, but people saying it wasnt rushed is WILD. It undeniably was.
heimerdingers song is a banger
dude i cried, that song is so beautiful I absolutely love that whole episode though.
Season 2 was good liked it a lot doesn't quite hit the same as season 1 did but still really good. The quality of the show cannot be denied, and the peak moments are just as peak as s1. The thing that holds it back is it just doesn't fit all together tightly there's too much going on without it being shown properly. I do wish it was longer I feel like basically every story line was rushed besides the Vi and Jinx's relationship. That was the only plot that played out and developed thoroughly. Most other main characters like Ekko, Hiemer, Jayce, Viktor, Mel didn't have their stories cook for long enough. It just felt super rushed with every character outside the sisters. Jinx, Ekko and Isha are my favorite characters in the show and I felt somewhat disappointed not seeing an arc that had Ekko as the main. I feel like they could have added a whole extra arc with the Ekko stuff there was a really compelling story to be told there but Riot kind of dropped the ball with that storyline. Ekko creates hextech in that universe because he wants to go home but during the process he has to choose between staying being happy with the people he has lost or going back to try and save the people he left behind. That whole sequence was just waaaaay too fast and needed to bake in the oven more.
While I agree with some of the rushed moments, I think s2 had a lot more peak moments than season 1
@@40krocks21 yeah that's true s1 had a ton of world building but I like that kind of stuff. The show was more grounded in s1 too easy to understand motivations and plot lines. I agree though s2 peak moments were absolutely insane. Absolute Cinema.
There were much more emotional moments in season 2 for sure. Episode 5 and 7 are really good.
I don't think it's rush at all, they were side character that was well written making us more curious because the main arc of Arcane is still evolve around Jinx and Vi. That's the beauty of Arcane is that every side character is well developed, had a personality and have their moment like Isha. It's a well developed flow that told us the whole story without getting into detail cause they want us to crave for more details.
I personally felt like season 2 was better than season 1 overall. I still think 1x3 is the best episode out of all of Arcane, though!
8:00 knowing yordles I like how more accurate they were. When yordles die they are instead transported back to bandle city which is like a magical dimension from which they come from. It makes total sense helper would just disappear like that after the explosion
I think even 1 more episode would have fixed most of the pacing problems.
Speaking of getting an "Arcane" type show again I think it will be so difficult to pull that off again because what I think they knocked out of the park is the nuances that come with emotional trauma and how the specific characters of Jinx and Vi especially deal with that sort of thing. I think the rest of the roster of League would have a hard time picking out a character that can give that much emotion again. Just my thoughts but sI trust in them to create another banger of a series.
I always thought an Ezreal show could do something. Most people think he’s just an annoying anime archetype (which he is on the surface level) but he does have some depth with his missing parents story and how he adventures to try and get there attention. They could use Ezreal to show more of runterra while also having that family trauma type stuff.
Garen and Lux has potential. Brother and sister dynamic. Sister is a mage in a mage-hating society. Brother gonna have to choose between duty and family.
nah draven can pull it off too
Honestly you have a few. You have the story of riven and yasuo. Riven "accidentally" killing yasuos training master leading to him getting blamed for it. To which leads in him fighting and killing his brother, while riven has some amnesia and is picked up by a couple farmers taking care of her.
You then have yasuo trying to find who killed his master vs this genuinely normally kind riven that was forced into a war causine her amnesia. They eventually have a confrontation in the story and settle their differences. Amazing lore and would be extreemely emotional too.
you could also do pantheon and aatrox and that whole story. thats an amazing and gut wrenching story, and pantheon has some of the best hard hitting quotes of all time in the game.
You got mordekaiser and noxus power struggle internal issues.
You got the mage racism in demacia with lux and garen that would be super emotional.
You got the power struggle in the frelyord and the looming threat of the old gods.
You got the fall of shurima and the beggining of the void and darkin
You have the rune wars that permenately scared the face of runeterra with ryze.
You have the entirety of viegos lore that would be emotional if done right.
There are actually SO many good emotionally gripping stories in league. They even picked an originally non emotional story for arcane and made it amazing.
And to be fair it looks like they are going to noxus next season so im bettiner on those storing lines. However idk if i am hyped for the next season cause season 2 was so butchured and poorly handled.
i dont really like how they completly changed what the series was about, s1 was basicly building up the war between piltover and zaun but then in s2 the plot is about evolution jesus vyctor and they half assed the ambessa story whit the black rose they kinda created more questions that answers, they should have made a couple extra episodes to slow down the pace of the series making character arcs meaningfull
I mean a lot of that was "world building" for when we get the Noxus series which with all the hints we got seems to be what is next in store.
They did not half ass it bro anything bro they gave exactly enough to be curious and invested. There's lil 10 more series to expand from Arcane build-up and you will always ask for more episodes regardless
@@kiwitran8456I disagree if it was done better then no
@@kiwitran8456 Curious and invested? There was literally nothing there. A few opaque spooky words and then mel waves her hands around and kills some random mage. Entire plot was a waste of screentime.
@@kiwitran8456hopefully that’s the case for most people. To be honest, I’ve kind of lost hope that they will ever be able to match season 1 which took 6 years if they have such a noticeable dip in writing for the second season. Definitely drained my excitement for a new show.
It was amazing for sure. I know nothing about anything but the storytelling and lore was always compelling. It was very fast in some ways and definitely could’ve benefited with more episodes. Regardless, the story clearly isn’t over. Something is to come and that definitely detracts from the resolutions because there is a future here we know nothing about yet.
Season 2 was very good, but like you said, I really do miss the themes of class division, inevitability, and tragedy. In particular, the tragedy in Season 1 works so well because we're given the vision of how it could be avoided if only 1 or 2 things went a different way. If only Powder didn't go to Silco's Lair, if only Vi hadn't left Powder, if only Viktor had reached out to Skye when he was a kid, if only Ekko hadn't shown up at Jinx and Vi's reunion, etc etc. A lot of the tragedy in Season 2 on the other hand doesn't have these elements as much, it's more "oh that's really sad" or "damn that sucks", but it feels like the only thing that could have happened, it's missing that gripping element that makes something truly tragic, imo.
The major problem with season 2 is that it went from being so down to earth to becoming abstract with apocalypse and magic etc. This is wrong in itself. Promises and payoffs. The entire tone of Arcane is that it's practical and down to earth with hints of magic and larger concepts outside the story which also gives a feeling of a vast world.
They should have completely skipped the story around the anomaly and The Arcane. (I don’t care that it’s in the name). These are concepts and things that never get explained, are confusing, destroy already established lore and diminish the significance of other things while taking time away from other elements.
The story around the Black Rose could have been hinted at behind the scenes without having any major significance for Arcane's story. It should only be hints. Which could be developed in the next project about Noxus. It would give the feeling of a larger world without taking away Arcane's down-to-earth feeling. And it would have made the viewer interested in potential future projects.
What should the story have been about? The conflict between the two social classes! What the story was about in season 1 and what was built up to be expanded in season 2. The entire season 1 built up for the great conflict between Piltover and Zaun. And that's what the story should have focused on in season 2. With focus on the characters and their relationships as they need to deal with the harsh reality. That's what grips the viewer.
How would I have structured the story for season 2? With a great war and conflict between Piltover and Zaun that develops throughout the season to then get a heartbreaking and impactful ending to the story between the different characters we have followed, but still leaves the larger overarching story with the conflict between Piltover and Zaun open and active. This keeps the world open and alive with possibilities for all other stories that can take place with other characters in Piltover and Zaun, while still getting a clear ending to the current story that played out in Arcane.
What would that story have been? Okay, Jinx has just attacked the council and killed Caitlyn's mother and several leaders. Episodes 1-3 act 1 are perfect and build on this so nicely. The only change I would have made is that I would have skipped Isha completely. Instead, I would have dived deeper into Jinx's madness and instability that was so beautifully built up during season 1. I imagine Jinx really embracing the identity of Jinx and carrying out resistance against Piltover with full force through acts of terror and attacks. She's really a madwoman and villain, where her good side sometimes leaks through. These continued attacks from Jinx and some from the barons lead to Caitlyn becoming a dictator etc. I imagine that the hatred among Piltover's people should be through the roof. Especially if Jinx and people from Zaun carried out attacks and acts of terror that killed people in Piltover, maybe Jayce's mother too? This could pressure and force Jayce to use Hextech to equip the military. In other words, build on Jayce's hard side from season 1. Especially considering the anger he would feel after losing his mother. But also that he would likely have given up hope for peace considering they responded to the peace proposal with an act of terror in season 1 ep 9.
Piltover's cruel response against Zaun would create tensions in relationships. Vi would leave Cait in the same way because of a fight and to be with her people. She can have her full drinking/fighting period with the big police guy. But then maybe she teams up with the Firelights who try to help the population in Zaun and resist Jinx and the other actors who commit terror attacks against Piltover. She and the Firelights try to find a peaceful solution with well-meaning/peace-oriented people within Piltover. Meanwhile, Piltover's brutality against Zaun and Jinx's active counterattacks with acts of terror lead to the Jinx cult being created. The group that follows Jinx and also wants to resist. Much more reasonable that this group is created if Jinx is actually an active party attacking Piltover!
Then focus can also be on the Chem Barons. How these people and groups fight more directly against Piltover. Maybe we see the beginning of Renata Glass? In other words, Jinx and her followers stand for more chaotic resistance against Piltover with terror attacks and spontaneous attacks. While the barons represent Zaun's more structured resistance with troops and soldiers. Much better than just killing them off in some music videos.
When it comes to Jayce and Victor, I think their conflict could have become so much better in this story. First of all, the conflict begins with Jayce supporting Piltover and providing them with Hextech weapons. Victor survives and realizes how to use Hextech to survive and to help others. Help via Hextech as a technical invention, not as some magical Jesus thing. I envision how Victor leaves Jayce and Piltover due to the conflict created when Jayce supports the offensive against Zaun. Maybe Victor saves some people from Zaun, maybe some supporters of Jinx, by giving them robot parts improved via his new Hextech knowledge. Then it turns out that these robot parts/improvements were used by Jinx's supporters to carry out additional terror attacks against Piltover, maybe this is when Jayce's mother dies? In other words because Victor is to blame, which Jayce understands because he recognizes the technology from Victor. This would have been the perfect catalyst for Victor's conviction about the glorious evolution. Because he realizes that humans are flawed, both Jayce and those he saved use Hextech as weapons and are all completely wrong. Solution: to remove the human factor from his robot improvements. So Victor doesn't just turn body parts into more robots when he saves them. He makes their minds and feelings more robot-like with his technology, something he's already done to himself. Glorious evolution!
The story with Warwick still has much potential. Similarly, the story with Ambessa and the Noxus invasion. I think that Singed should have created Warwick. His goal is to stop death and save Orianna etc. But one change I would like to make is that he actually works for the Chem Barons. And they finance his work because they hope he can develop stronger weapons they can use against Piltover. They hope, for example, that they can use Warwick against Piltover. Additionally, Singed should have several other researchers who are employed by the Chem Barons to learn from Singed. This opens up possibilities for more researchers who exist in Zaun and who might later create Mundo, Zac, or Urgot etc. I think later that Singed might be captured during a raid from Piltover. This causes him to activate Warwick in the same way as what happened in the series, just that now there's a reasonable explanation. Warwick is intended to be used as a weapon against Piltover. Moreover, maybe Singed wants to activate Warwick to protect his lab/Orianna from Piltover etc.
Meanwhile, maybe Jinx is planning some attack on the prison to kill masses of Piltover people and free prisoners. Vi is there with Firelights to stop Jinx because she will kill several Zaun people simultaneously through the attack. Shows how Jinx is insane. Then the attack from Warwick happens and Jinx is there fighting and then sees Vander. This should disturb Jinx's fanatical state. Maybe she comes back somehow? Vi should probably see this. But she's the only one who sees it. Piltover's people, Cait and Firelights with Ekko etc. should still see Jinx as a major enemy.
Singed should later be recruited by Ambessa. Meanwhile, Cait is slowly getting tired of her dictator role and all the death. She is slowly getting tired of Ambessa and no longer wants to cooperate with Noxus. This could be done via dialog and meetings with Mel that is still in Piltover in my version. They are both tired of all the violence and hatred. And Cait maybe gets closer to Vi and Ekko again. Similarly, Jayce starts doubting himself and the violence. He hears about Victor's work of "saving" people by making them more robot-like. He wants to save Victor from this robot state he seems to have put himself in. Jayce maybe comes down to Victor's lab where Victor appears to be doing very inhuman things with people. This causes Jayce to stop everything to end their suffering. This leads to them all dying. A scene from the old lore. If you know you know.
I think the season could end with the conflict against Noxus becoming larger. It's Noxus troops that hit hardest against Zaun. So Zaun is against Noxus and Ambessa. Meanwhile, a confrontation arises between Piltover and Noxus. This results in Ambessa being forced to leave Piltover with her troops. I still want to argue that Piltover and then also Mel (who isn't stuck in Black Rose story) have more soldiers etc. in their city to drive away Ambessa. This leads to Ambessa preparing her entire army for an invasion instead, I think that in smaller scenes throughout the season you can have seen how she prepared the whole army for a major invasion in case her collaboration with Cait ends. These scenes are also where we could have gotten hints about the Black Rose.
Meanwhile, Ekko and Heimer have researched the Z-drive. Similarly, Jayce builds and creates more and more Hextech weapons. But he realizes they can be improved with Victor's help. So he gets help from Victor even though Victor is increasingly robot-like. Jayce wants to reconcile with Victor, but Victor is more robot pragmatic and only helps because it is reasonable.
Then the great battle begins. Noxus invades and attacks both Piltover and Zaun. Which results in both parties being forced to fight against Noxus and defend themselves. Goes tough for them. Noxus is strong. This is also where they have a scene between Jinx, Vi, and Warwick in a similar way to what was in the season ending (but better and more credible). That Jinx sacrifices herself in some way. They fail to save Vander, because of something Singed did or so. So Jinx sacrifices herself in a similar way as Isha did to save Vi, Cait, Jayce, and Ekko. Her redemption. Then the battle against Noxus continues. They appear to be losing until Jayce and Victor's improved inventions and Ekko's Z-drive turn the battlefield. Ambessa maybe dies, or not. Maybe she is forced to flee. But overall Piltover and Zaun manage to defend themselves from Noxus.
Final scenes. See how Jayce tries to reach out to Victor after the victory. But Victor seems to be too far gone in his glorious evolution. They go separate ways. Jinx is presumed dead, but probably isn't. Warwick is to be taken by Singed who makes the final transformation of him. Show Orianna and that Singed works under Noxus now. Vi is together with Cait and they work together with the Firelights to try to create more order and collaboration between Piltover and Zaun. Meanwhile, you see how certain houses in Piltover haven't given up on the conflict between Piltover and Zaun and they don't support Cait's and Vi's ambition peace, maybe Camille's house? Similarly, we can see in Zaun that several Chem Barons are dead in Zaun after the battle against Noxus, but maybe a scene hinting at Renata Glass and future chem baron activity. Similarly, a scene showing that Zaun is still a wild place. Several of the doctors who worked under Singed remain etc. Shows that this story is over, but the larger story between Piltover and Zaun continues. Similarly, a scene from Ambessa that teases the conflict in Noxus which will likely be the next project for Riot.
@@alexandertjorna3719 I could not word it better my self man. This is so SPOT ON its insane!
I liked S2; I didn’t love it like I did S1. And I’ll go a step further and say I think that S2 should’ve been 3 separate seasons. There were so many music video montages that could’ve been individual episodes. They tried doing WAY too much in too little time. So either make more seasons or cut out a ton and keep the show as Piltover vs Zaun.
I may be in the minority here, but for me, as an ex-player of league, I just really did not like the design of Viktor's mask and just Warwick's design overall. Like, I just wish they had his wolf form.
Yeah Viktor seemed more like a creature than a machine. Now Riot is updating the game model to match the Arcane model lol
The big problems with season 2 are the rushed pacing and the conflict between servicing LOL fans with prior knowledge of the Lore, and casual viewers. There are lots of Easter eggs and elements introduced from the game and game lore that either go nowhere or are not expanded upon enough. To say "dude, you just need to research the lore" is a crazy excuse for the poorer/rushed writing this season. Apply that logic to any other TV show/movie that didn't fully explain plot elements introduced within it. You'd call it bad writing.
Season 1 is a masterpiece. It stands alone without needing to know anything about LOL and its lore. I haven't played the game and everything makes sense in S1. In big parts of season 2, I feel the creators forgot that and just rushed to get the characters and world to a point that matched the games. It doesn't work for casual viewers and, if it doesn't work for casual viewers, the screenplay has failed.
I can offer some forgiveness for small blunders or pacing issues in S2. Again, this was their FIRST show. What's to say they don't learn from it in a future show and consider pacing a little more carefully?
S1 was a 10/10 for me, season 2 was an 8/10. Was it as good? No, but jesus christ an 8/10 is still a fucking good show. Also a lot of the "issues" I've seen people talking about (not related to pacing) is just them not paying attention enough lol.
Yeah, if I paid more attention it would have made sense for Vi to fuck Cait instead of trying to stop Jinx from killing herself
Or it would have made sense for Vi not share any compassion for Jinx as she grieves the tragic death of her adopted little sister
Or maybe it would make sense that Singed didn't invent shimmer in the happy timeline, despite him having already invented it by the time the heist happened
Or it would make sense for Cait to let Singed be free after the war, even letting him have the hexcore presumably needed to power Orianna
They killed all the characters and replaced them with plot devices
@@jogadorjnc Yes. Exactly. Vi clearly does show compassion to jinx, you are a complete moron if you missed it. Silco got Singed to create shimmer so he could use it as a weapon, the fact its not being used as a weapon doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Quite literally nowhere does it imply that Caitlyn "let" Singed escape or be free. He never was in the war and clearly they could not find him. Vi having sex instead of immediately chasing after Jinx is a result of high emotions and Caitlyn being there, and how the fuck would Vi even know that Jinx is going to kill herself lol
Okay, let me preface this by saying, I'm not a League of Legends player, I have never enjoyed the game. I have spent the better half of the last 10 years playing Dota 2 or even Dota 1 way back in the day. BUT when I saw a bunch of trailers for Arcane season 1, recognized how beautiful it looked so the least I could do is check it out. And to my surprise the show blew me away. Season 1 might be one of the best written and engaging animated shows of all time. Visually stunning as well. If today somebody asks me about S1 I would immediately say that it is a MASTERPIECE.
With all that said, I had a lot of expectations and hopes for S2 living up to the greatness they gave us in 2021. However, even from the start I felt something was not right. Every episode was marching at a steadily increasing rate. Things were moving so fast and I felt like we weren't getting enough time for things to develop naturally.
1.The whole Jinx vs Vi conflict escalated and then moved on and then was resolved really fast. It just felt like we are on timer, like "Come on guys go go go, the train is moving, we have no time".
2. I love Mel as a character. Honestly THE most beautifully animated design of the whole show and the voice actress was phenomenal. But wth man, she went from a council woman barely surviving the terror attack from Jinx to getting kidnapped by unknown organization that was never set up or explained to all of a sudden she is this badass wizard.
3. The last episode had this grandiose vibe to it, but everything and I mean everything felt like gamey, fan servicey, catered towards the LoL community and fanbase. And I am sure it was appreciated, but this show could have grabbed the attention of so many eyeballs, so many more "normie" people. I know the LoL community is vast, but the normie numbers are greater.
Also S1 had this feeling of weight behind every action scene. In S2 and especially the Finale the character became their gaming equivalents and all of a sudden I was watching a Marvel movie.
4. The final season came off as 2 seasons crammed into 1 because of time, and budgetary and other types of restraints. At the very least it would have benefitted from 4 more episodes, minimum.
Final thoughts, phenomenal first season. I will talk about and discuss Season 1 with people for the next 10 years, at least. One of the closest examples of a modern day masterpiece.
Season 2 felt a bit rushed, a bit fan service, a bit we need to wrap this up because its too big to sustain or too big to make more of. It didn't deliver the hype and expectations I had, and I assume that most people out there that are not familiar with the LoL world and lore probably felt something similar. I know that LoL players and the LoL community might feel differently about it, but my biggest fear for S2 was that they would lean into satisfying them, instead of trying to finish the story in a way that would grab everybody's attention, like S1 did in a incredibly successful manner.
PS: Episode 7 was indeed a bottle episode, but it is just the cutest. Simply adorable.
I hope people would understand where I am coming from, maybe in a couple of weeks time I might have a different opinion after some time passes and I ruminate over I just saw. Overall S1: 10/10 masterful work; S2: visually stunning, beautiful, gorgeous, the artists at Studio Fortiche are masters of their craft. But final score 7/10. I was left a bit let down from a storytelling standpoint.
Cheers.
Even as a league player I agree. The more I think of the show after having watched it the more it starts to unravel and make less sense.
The show needed another season to tell its story properly. The season had a lot of great moments, but I felt a lot of those moments were rushed and unearned, and were largely carried by the music rather than the strength of the actual writing
Completely disagree, the she wants you to use your brain. At most it could have used one more episode
Not really, the show needed one or two more acts in imo
are you dumb? you're probably the type of watcher who wants to have your hands held by the story tellers. the songs, and even the opening credits establish alot of plots.
@@phhsdj exactly. these kinds of complaints are from people who can't put 2 and 2 together... they need to be spoon-fed with exposition
I don't think another season just 1 or 2 more episodes. The payoffs for some of the characters was too quick.
Was fantastic front to back. I personally do think they'll continue with this format for another series given the nods to other characters towards the end.
I have to disagree with the sentiment that the 9th episode was too fan service-y because it was too much like super heroes. If anything I feel like they went the Marvel route in trying to tell the story of more 'grounded' characters. I don't think many people went into a show about a video game and then thought they suddenly had too many powers, especially given it's animated as well. In this arc we literally see multiversal interactions, development of time travel, protoevolution, etc. We watched 2 seasons of Singed make Warwick. I can't really get behind people getting to episode S2 E9 and suddenly think the show isn't grounded enough.
I'll admit I'm more in the crowd that we got a great show like Arcane at the sacrifice of the lore. So really to me I saw the finale as the means to end a great story not due an entire service to league lore. So from my perspective it's feels like the opposite of fan service.
Show went off the rails in episode 9. You mentioned people crossing the world instantly in rushed shows, but mel literally did that lmao
Given that she's a mage with help from the Black Rose, I wouldn't say that's hard to achieve
I mean, no, she never really left piltover
Wrong she was in Piltover the whole time.
@@jessejames209 it shows her traveling across runeterra for 3 frames
I choose to be a Jinx lived believer, otherwise her arc is too tragic. She needs to find happiness
Lots of good in this Season. It fell a little short compared to Season 1 for me though. Season 1 had so much magic in the character development. This season got side tracked into the Viktor / Jayce thing. Too abstract and obtuse. Too many moments of 'why does that crystal do that thing?' or 'where are we and what's going on?' The Ambessa + black rose plot was also kind of hard to really get into. Season 1's focus on the emotional development of the characters was the strength. Keep developing that.
My interpretation of Heimerdinger passing is that he is an immortal being, he has seen pupils live and die, he has failed some of them like Jayce, he has even failed his city, but by tagging along with Ekko, just like he said “I truly lived” and so, in his old age, perhaps he feels as if he has lived enough. If the experiment was to fail, he’d sacrifice himself for his pupil to get to do something he already did: Live
amazing stuff travis. love your content.
Rushed Finale.
They needed 1 or 2 more episodes after episode 7 to make the finale pop & believable. Zaun & Piltover working together at the end felt forced and I feel like they set up Jinx as this character that will unite Zuan but after the prison break Zaun kind of fell into the background and Jinx has nothing really to do with Zaun after that. Lastly the 'side' character deaths had no impact for me and the big death at the end make sense but could have been better.
P.S. Watch episode 7 of season 1 after 2 - damn hits different
Season 2 was also a borderline masterpiece, but it felt like a very differently show. Less down to earth and fewer emotional gut punches, but still immensely impressive and engrossing for its scope and complexity.
There were so many characters and so many forces at play that there was so much to pay attention to and try to grasp, which made it hard to follow at times. Some moments felt like a rush to the finish line and could have benefitted from being more fleshed out having longer periods of payoff. But even in those moments I was still absolutely along for the ride at every turn. The storytelling and animation are just too good to ever be anything else.
I have to say, after watching Act 3 again, they didn't totally stick the landing. While Ep 7 was great, they were dragging their heels a bit with all of the music numbers. 3 of them with each of them lasting 2+ minutes while we watch an expedited of "this is what characters are doing" just felt like fluff. Ep 8 was quite a bit better with the pacing. However ep 9 falls with vast majority of the season finales of the more recent shows: JAMMING FAR TOO MUCH TOO FAST. Not to mention that the wrap up to the end was "meh" at best. I agree that this should've been a 12 Ep season instead of 9.
S1 was a 10/10
S2 was a 7/10 (the pacing is a mess).
If we do get another show. I hope we get Bildgewater. I wanna see MF and GP's pirate ships going head to head with the animation style of Arcane
On a 10 point scale where 5 is average
Season 1 = 10/10
Season 2 = 8.5/10. A strong 8.5.
This is very fair. I agree
Season 2 is 9.5 and only missing a .5 because of the number of episodes.
S1 = 9.3
S2 = 7.8
S1 I give a 8; S2 I give a 4.
Disregarding the great art and transitions. Storywise it just didn’t make sense and goes not lead to league of legends at all.
LIKE your comment, but 8.5 is a bit too high. Considering some bad/budgeted animations, shortened plot, music videos as fillers and more (I am not listing the many issues my friend has pointed out to me; most are valid and just), 7.5 or 8 is more reasonable. 😂
Watching Arcane Season 2 reminds me of watching Blue Lock Season 2...so there is no way I will give Season 2 an 8. As a whole, 8/10.
Felt very underwhelmed in the conclusion of the series.
So many storylines left open, so many questions left unanswered and with no more seasons, they will never be addressed. Also, the "selfless savior" trope being used in nearly every episode had me rolling my eyes by the end. Overall the writing in season 2 felt sloppy leaving storylines feeling much less impactful vs. season 1. The animation and music hard carried the writing this season IMO.
That said, season 2 episode 7 was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING.
I'm sure Riot will be paying "for your consideration" fees to get another award but all in all Season 2 felt like a disservice to the amazing setup of Season 1.
I think they did that on purpose because the story of Arcane is over, the story of runeterra and the rest of the league universe has probably just begun and the creators have already stated that they have other stories in mind that they want to create. So, I imagine we will see the furthering storylines of Caitlyn and Vi as well as an expansion of Mel involved in other storylines from other characters in the universe of league while they will no longer be main characters, they will have vast influences in the world. While some are already speculating the possible return of Jayce and Viktor and maybe even Jinx(some speculate at the animation when the blast initially happens, one of the streaks of purple is her escaping and Caitlyn is looking at the hexgate schematics at the end because she thinks there may be a probability that she escaped. That Jinx escapes in order for both her and Vi to live out their own lives free of each other having did what they needed to do, but this is just one of the major theories I have seen so far over the internet) as well as the probable return of Heimerdinger since he didn't seemingly get vaporized, but simply got sent somewhere else entirely. So, I would agree this would be very underwhelming if this is only it, but if the creators get their way and create other stories and have an expansion in the world, it's honestly a pretty good setup for the future.
@@CimmerianAssassin I thought they said they weren't doing anymore of the animated series?
I agree, season 1 was so impactful in the relationship with Vi and Jinx and I feel like it was brushed to the side for Jace and Victor, and while still impactful, Jinx has a BIG change of heart in almost 1 episode when the trauma she suffered lasted years. I enjoyed the show, but 3-4 more episodes I know it would’ve been better
@@User-pu3lcwhere'd you get that idea, riot is very open about expanding the world with new series =)
@@bLuGhOsT_ Nice!
I feel like the whole season could work if there were another season that would wrap up/explain how everything fits in my opinion. So everything would be broken down and and slowed down again
Maybe I've just filtered myself successfully, and yes the problems are obvious, but whatever. Episode 7, the watercolors in Remember Me, everything in this season (except for Mel stuff) was clearly intended and designed to be perfect. Did it fail in the effort? Yes. Was it still comparable to the greatest series writing yet to exist? Also yes.
CLG
hot damn the first six comments are all AI slop ain't no way anyone who's watched HLL thinks Travis is a goated animator. he's too busy being the goated interviewer
Huh, to me I guess they got deleted or something really quickly since I don’t really see them. Time to go back to the video xD
@@ElvisB.do you pause the video to read comments?…
i disliked the ending greatly and it did feel incredibly rushed they could of used 1 more act to flesh that out
ok... pretend you're a writer... can you please show us a draft of at least plots and subplots of the extra episode? be sure it's not full of unnecessary exposition
@@CzarsSaladYou are delusional if you don't think the story could have greatly benefited from an extra act. This season is basically 2-3 seasons worth of content crammed into one. The characters' stories are unfinished. If they knew the time constraints they were working with, they should've scrapped all the arcane/black rose/time travel stuff in favor of a simpler plot that focused on the core cast and the P&Z inner conflict.
@@CzarsSaladYour over the top defense of the show over any criticism is embarrassing. If you can't concede that season 2 has pacing issues than you are nothing more than a shill.
While I really like season 2 as a whole, the ending (narratively) was dissapointing for me. I don't think the tragedy referenced by the opening and set up by the first season was satisfied and it felt like the writers were afraid to make the characters face the consequence of their tragic flaws. The stuff was with the Aracae felt like it supersceded and invalidated the core confilcts and character choices at the last moment.
Mel will absolutely 100% be a playable champ some time in the future.
Episode 7 is the best of t his season. 9 is a great spectacles, but I have some issues with it, but I bet that is mainly cause I think they don't hit everything on the way up to the finale. I still liked it, but season 1 was special.
I am really disappointed with Mel, I think the series could have been stronger if they put her more to the side in season two. That whole black rose plot kind went nowhere for me. And hat could have been filled up better. Jinx and Vi feel like they get short changed in the finale.
I do think the whole warwick thing didn't really hit too well, felt like a bit too much fast tracking the sisters getting back together and, a lot more fantasy weirdness vs the grit that was the first one.
I must say it does feel like there is a bit of a hole. Cause I have been anticipating this for the past 3 years. And it was really nice to look forward to new episodes each week. And now there isn't even more on the horrizon, and if there is more is a big question mark.
Arcane S2 had some great moments, felt CBM-ish in a great way. Riot messed up though by releasing Ambessa as a champion, they should have prepped a Mel release to drop as soon as Act 3 landed.
For a non League of legends lore guy. I did not like Mel much at all. I didn't understand the black rose stuff, I didn't understand her just getting a super power. All the other story lines made enough sense for me to follow.
Jayce waited until the end because they sent people away from the city using hex gates. Also they used hex gates to launch heavy boxes as their last line of defence against ambessa and her army
Agreed that future epic series might be impractical (and take far too long) but given the obvious excellence of the writers and artists involved in this and the huge potential for stories in runeterra, I would absolutely love to see them move to creating a Witcher 3 style narrative RPG. Spend some time filling out the lore of the other LoL characters and regions and creating dramatic stories within/between each. CDPR managed to create an astouindingly rich world in a relatively small number of years so I think a similarly talented team could really give us a much deeper and wider experience of runeterra, one we could interact with or just spend time in (like I still do in W3)
Real TGI fans are subbed for the literary takes
It was good.
But if season 1 was S tier season 2 was A tier. It needed more time to cook.
I don't think it's a writing problem. I think it was a production / budget problem. Just too much squeezed into too little time.
I always find it funny that when people talk about Jinx killing Caitlyn's mother that they never used that logic in the prologue. Caitlyn's mother is on the council that gave the order that led to the death of Jinx and Vi's parents. It is literally a part of the story of season 1 that no one ever picks up on. The final scene in season 1 happens because of the prologue. How obvious do they have to make things before you really consider the implications of what that means. If Jinx is guilty, then every person in that council room is just as guilty. That's what a cycle of violence is. You don't just pick out one person from on the oppressed side of the conflict and then throw all blame on that individual. That isn't how anything works.
Yeah, having those types of philosophical conversations is fair in the abstract, but people will always react to the way in which their favorite characters are impacted within the story.
Season 2 was amazing, I just feel like act 3, especially the last 2 episodes felt a bit rushed, and it could have used another episode.
I'm still just confused.
How does Riot Games create a tv show that absolutely demolishes every other big budget show. The raw, unforgiving storytelling with the heaviest possible themes. Arcane is a wild ride from start to finish and my only hope is they dont drop to a lower gear in the future. This is how stories are meant to be told
Season 1 slapped so hard
Season 2 was a let down for me :( but I know a lot of people liked it I just wish I could
Same for me. They went full Marvel with Season 2. Wth were they thinking???
Overall, I liked season 2, but there were definitely some plot points that didn't make sense or felt rushed, particularly in Act 3.
The whole "Good Viktor save Jayce's life as a child just so that future Jayce can stop Evil Viktor" plot feels so odd to me because Jayce essentially creates Evil Viktor by creating Hextech. If Good Viktor let Jayce die, then Evil Viktor never would have happened. To push that point further, it feels like Good Viktor could have done any number of things to stop Evil Viktor from ever happening.
Also all the black rose stuff was terrible and felt shoved in as an afterthought.
It should have been 3 seasons
heimer is gonna become the hoid of the arcane universe
Hello Travis, you should watch Necrit video he had discussion ( its uncut ) with Christian Linke around 2 hours. You might find answer to some of your question on the '' Why ''
I want vi n jinx to return in future projects. Not straight away but eventually. Jinx is alive
I’m hoping they keep going. Imagine them going to Bilgwater or Noxus in next show. Then later Ionia, Demacia, Freljord, etc and ending with the Void or something. That would be insane imo. Prob could end up rivaling or surpassing the mcu if they put the amount of attention to detail they did for arcane!
Disappointing ending. Too many ideas and not enough time. Series just feels rushed. Art fantastic and writing still better than 95% of other series but not a patch on season 1. Episode 7 nice but IMO should have been ditched to develop the other plot points.
I completely agree - episode 7 almost feels like a waste, using up valuable time that could have been spent developing the story more deeply before the finale.
@@rasmusmadsen5898ep 7 is literally the best episode in the entire show lol
@@pluckyaurora8256 Did I say it was bad? It was great.
Graves can’t have a cigar but Jayce gets his brace 😂
1. why did jinx show up when she did, well she was trying to blow herself up being busy with that and then it takes time making that ship fly since it was not a full on ship to begin with
2. why was jayce not able to show down the anomaly earlier they hexgated people that did not want any of the fighting out of piltover, when the last ship left he could start
Episode 7 is a top 3 episode for me... It's just awful that it's followed by episodes 8 and 9.
8 was... Odd and unnecessarily anime boosted.
9 is the first episode i could say is legitimately bad. Arcane separated itself from other media by being a very "realistic inside it's own universe" and it threw all of that away to go jrpg.
The show is still good, but season one is probably one of the best seasons of media I've ever witnessed. Season two had some very magical moments but they for sure missed hard with the ending.
I thought episode 9 was the best tv I've ever seen. They wrapped up everything
My biggest problem with arcane is how they abandoned the themes of season 1 in favor of a more generic fantasy story in season 2.
The whole Piltover vs Zaun and cycle of hatred stuff was forgotten to fight zombie robots.
magic and it's misuse was a fuel in season 1... but I guess it's not fantasy for you
Agreed with all your points
Needed a 3rd season. Never seen showrunners so eager to stop running their show lol
You have the money to pay for it? If not, then be grateful for what you got! (bar)
I’m just happy we got what we got. We got a total of around 17 hours of quality animation for a good story, and that stuff ain’t cheap or easy to pump out.
Clearly you never saw GoT Season 8. BOY, do I have a story for you!🤬🤬🤬
Honestly I never heard them say Isha's name once in the show. I learned it by people online referencing her.
But you did not ask your self how Jinx knew her name when the girl was non verbal in the first place
Mel needs to be a support champion :>
Pretty sure the fight was supposed to literally be an ADC/support fighting a top laner
Man I like Travis, but i don't think he has ever had a conversation about something that the audience likes without also telling the audience why you can't have it going forward.
Maybe Jayce had to wait because they needed the hextech for defense?
But they didn't use the hexgates for defense
@@jogadorjnc weren't they using a form of the hex gates to launch the crates? Or are those a different device/powered separately?
@@tmaxim2651 I assume they're powered separately since Jayce was turning the hexgates off as they were using them
@ yeah but he hadn’t shut them all off yet- so maybe if those were smaller Hexgates they didn’t take up as much power or something? The fact that they were firing shipping containers made me think they weren’t designed to be weapons and were instead used for sending or moving cargo and repurposed at the last moment. But those are just my assumptions. I haven’t seen anyone with more knowledge clarify it yet.
@tmaxim2651 it wouldn't make any sense for them to be using them as weapons if they could turn off at any moment
They ended it at s2 because it's hard to keep squeezing these characters and environment
It's not like they did it to respect the story considering they left an absurd number of loose ends to be picked up again
Arcane needed to end so they could start their very profitable League Cinematic Universe, so they killed Arcane early
The tail end (episodes 6-9?)was really frustrating to watch because of the amount of "haha you thought, but just kidding" the writers pulled.
Ambessa at the tent, Caitlyn with the knife come to mind. Like why even have those scenes at all of you are just going to ignore the implications of what happened? Made me feel like the writers think the viewer is stupid or forgetful.
Mel next champion?
Episode 7 best episode in Season 2. Episode 7 best episode in season 1
Thanks for the WW main shoutout. His hall fight was epic in episode 4, but I really felt underwhelmed on his role in the season and the animation choices that were made. Overall it left me disappointed and with a bad taste in my mouth.
JInx didnt need redemption. Killing your oppressors is fine actually
I just realized my friend say to me epsd 7 ekko and jinx kinda weird, cuz these two build up like a sibling so its kinda weird and i disagree but after i realized yeah hes not playing the game so its kinda weird yess not impossible but there's little bit just a bit weird cuz ekko and jinx romantic never happen in arcane unless u play the game they have interactions that ekko love powder even tho jinx ia not cuz powder is gone but if we not play tge game the perspective is a bit weird
Dude, you gotta learn punctuation. Slow down and put periods in your sentences cause I dunno wtf you’re saying
I never thought that watching a TV show could make me feel so much disappointment.
Sounds like you never watched Game of Thrones, lol.
@Krimm664 I have, but at least with Game of Thrones the slow decline in quality of writing over the previous two or three seasons prepared me for the final season.
Meanwhile, Arcane dropped on me like a ton of bricks, without warning.
Hey... my fellow wannabe writers and armchair film critics, we meet again. So, are we here because we think we know better than the writers?
All of your comments are just dripping with pretentiousness. No one here could have wrote a better story but it’s idiotic to think that should mean no one can talk about or criticize the show.
@@rylanmarriott8116 nah you don't get it. criticizing this season then saying season 1 is perfect is the dumbest thing I heard/read. Alot of the "mistakes" from this season were rooted from the mistakes of the 1st season. go watch season !, and you'll notice "pacing" is more of an issue also. Only one character in season 1 reached catharsis (Jinx) while all subplots have questionable directions.
Season 1 is never a perfect, not even near-perfect season. People keep saying that because it was a pleasant surprise.
Vi-Caitlyn love story was a forced, fan service subplot
Medarda subplot was an unnecessary shit introduced late
Viktor subplot was a meh
among others
I applaud the writers for actually trying their best to fix whatever shit they did in season 1
What?? Christian and Alex are leaving Riot????!! WTF
I found the viktor arc really rushed like how does he go from healing people to the literal antichrist 😂
The introduction of Noxus was the biggest mistake this show made. It could have worked if we were given another episode per act or a third season, but since they were only doing 2 seasons the show would have benefited from removing the plot line all together. It took valuable screen time away from other conflicts that would have been more than engaging enough on their own (piltover vs zaun, Viktor and the Hexcore). Overall I'm of the opinion that noxus was the plotline that broke the plot and the reason why everything feels so rushed this season, it felt too external.
the only downside to Arcane is that it makes me want to play league of legends again
Play TFT! New set is Arcane themed
Episode 7 felt so out of place and jarring to me, it was a great episode but I wanted the continuation of episode 6 and it felt like that really was in episode 8 and 9 and that montage with twenty one pilots at the end of episode 8 was amazing.
I think I liked it because it showed the possibility of a different life as well as a hopeful idea behind what is the future to Ekko and understanding why Jayce did what he did and what he saw for us to make us understand. It is sometimes jarring, but I think I like it better there than not having it.
Yes!! It was a good break but I felt like it took forever to get back to the effects of the explosion (and they didn’t even mention isha ever again!!!!)
@@reyagirl_they really did blow up a little girl and then never touched on it again lmao
Riot are printing money. The series brought a ton of people to their games that haven't played them. No idea why you'd think they wouldn't keep pumping these out at the same level
Because they're not printing money anymore
@TravisGafford now that they're doing gamba mechanics every other week with skins costing up to 250..
@RVD1OFAKIND pretty sure they're doing that because they're no longer printing money
@RVD1OFAKIND pretty sure they're doing that because they're no longer printing money
Season 2 was so bad. Trying to do way too much instead of build off of season 1. Pointless lesbian smut, and unexplainable plot points. Ambessa was the only good part this season.
I guess you didn't feel like the sex scene in season 1 was "pointless smut" since you listed it as something in comparison. Interesting....
@@TravisGafford no that was as well. I’m of the opinion that it’s not necessary for the story. Fade to black and be done with it.
Act 3 was soooooo rushed & so overly complicated
the vi cait sex scene was so forced and trashy. also why would they think that would be an ideal time for sex? ep7 was great, but disappointing finish. Maddie as a character should've hit the cutting room floor, there wasnt enough time to properly develop her, and it was ultimately pointless for the story.
I'm all for a bit of lesbian action but it was just so out of place and random. Lots of things in the last episodes were. Really disappointing.
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so many bots
The one single thing I dislike about Arcane is the pop music montages. Other than that, easily the best animated series available out there
maybe you're just that dumb. maybe you're the type of watcher who loves exposition thru dialogue
S2 absolutely clears S1 and it's not even close, better in every way
No way
Absolutely agree! I recently rewatched S1 before S2 premiered, and this season is better. I feel like people already have rose tinted goggles for S1. S1 is 9/10 and S2 is 9.5/10 imo
This is the worst take on the series.
Rly weak Season compered to Season 1
🤔 hmmm
So jealous of that theater experience
Episode 7 was my least favorite. Its a multiverse episode. F multiverse. Could've used all that time to the actual story and not a what if episode. Rushed ending