and it forced him to experience just a small slice of what Viktor's life had been like. Crippled, isolated, in a world of darkness that he had to claw his way out of without any help.
For real, I was in complete disbelief, was digesting what I had just watched, and decided "y'know what? I'm dissecting this whole thing" and proceeded to rewatch.
Haven't fully rewatched it yet, but I did kind of get that vibe from the ending where I was like "I feel disappointed right now, but my opinion will probably change after rewatching it." Kind of the same thing I felt after finishing Final Fantasy VII Rebirth the first time.
i was so angry and sad about the ending. i watchend episode 7 again and i felt like it all makes sence now. also i think it doesent matter how the ending would have been i would never be happy cause i just dont want it to end.
As a noob league of legends gamer who knows none of the lore of the game, realizing orianna is singed daughter really had me shook. Especially since I main in orianna I was like 😱😱😱😱
As a 3D animatior/artist, I can definitely see Arcane up there with the greatest Animated series of all time like. The amount of detail in this series is just inspiring.
There were a few out-of-character moments, granted. But Vi doing foolish things to save a loved one that can't be saved is pretty much on par for the character.
Thank you! I know people expect Vi to be solemn and aggressive all the time, but she is still human. Seeing your father figure to die in front of you is going to make abandoning him very difficult.
Fr. Like did nobody notice how this scene sort of mirrored the premise when Powder killed Vander and her siblings? Like they both fell again, Vi traumatized holding Vanders face only this time instead of hitting her little sister and „leaving“ her, she won’t give up so Jinx has to leave her? It’s kind of a bittersweet redemption.
Arcane is definetly a masterpiece of a Netflix distribution. This is how you proberly adapt a series from a game! It's like a painting come to life with glorius visuals! Truly visual storytelling at it's finest!
I think act 3 was a little short in my opinion, don't get me wrong the finale was amazing but if each episode was an hour long we would've gotten a lot more buildup to the final battle
It wasn't too short, it's the same length as season 1, it's just the time wasn't distributed well. Act 1,2 and act 3 should have been split half and half.
@Dew-b8b Yeah you got a good point there, I just wish we could've seen more of Heimerdinger and Ekko, I was also hoping they would confirm if Isha is dead or not, that's something I've been thinking about recently
Of course Vi didn't immediately jump off that ledge to safety, girl was having PTSD to Vander's death. They even show her flash to when she saw him after the fall from the warehouse. As you say in the video these characters are young and experienced A Lot of trauma at a young age. That was the moment her entire world changed and seeing it again she wasnt thinking clearly.
I was fucking sad about heimerdinger, but the good news is, they are lore-wise a type of spirit that take that shape in those little "mammalian bipeds", they can't really die.
@@PandaEnPleurs well Bundle City is kinda outer from every timeline pocket dimension which connects to other universes through randomly appearing portals. So answer is yes and no
Isha should have been displayed in the background at least shown happy with her parents in an alt timeline when Ekko was walking through the streets in the alt-universe just to give some closure for her sacrifice.
Jinx is definitely alive. Everyone is talking about the pink streak before the explosion, but there was also a pink streak when she tackled vander, definitely not a coincidence. she definitely escaped.
Jinx is for sure alive. The pink streak, "The End" being written in her psycho scratch... Jinx is on that airship. Why else would they show an airship leaving Piltover/Zaun with no other context?
@@vagabond142oh there is other context as well, the other context is that Jinx at one point said she wanted to be on one of those airships one day lmfao - 100% she’s alive, I’d even bet on seeing her again in another series after Arcane
On top of all the little clues, we can also just go off the logic of S1Ep7. After that explosion Jinx was completely fine and Ekko walked away with a twisted ankle. The explosion in the finale was a bit bigger so maybe Jinx broke an arm… that’s about it.
My main man Vander was not only disrespected but *ERASED* and *REDUCED* to a *ROBOT FURRY,* Singed absolutely did not deserve to get his daughter back in any way.
but he didnt got his daughter back, what you see is a in the end is a robot with the features of orianna, not orianna herself. he failed on resurrecting her so he just recreated her with an AI that talks like her
You're forgetting that there's another person besides him that's part of that equation - his daughter. Did she also not "deserve" to get another chance at life?
What could have been was really beautiful. I was happy Ekko got to at least have one happy episode and then when Powder brings him to her little memorial for Vii It brought out all of my season 1 PTSD lmao.
viktor changed that much because he fully understood that after jayce almost killed him, emotions cause chaos, rage, pain and they would always be a contradiction of humans, so he couldn't save people from themselves. so he then decided to do that sacrifice of vander in order to fullfill his "glorious revolution" and "save" all humanity maybe it also was the hex-core and the arcane not wanting to die in him so it persuaded his judgement to sacrifice WW into fully evolving... viktor literally stated "the doctor was right" during his near death speech so, it wasn't too harsh of a change
i think it was more that he realized Jayce was gonna try to fully kill him and the only options were to raise an army big enough to defeat jayce or just die
He was also stripped of his humanity with every death and revival. With every hexcore augmentation, he lost a bit more of his human body and mind; he was clearly not fully human anymore by the first time he was revived by Hexcore, and he lost all his contact with humanity when he was revived a second time and became the machine herald. My guy is literally an omnipotent cosmical being made of photons and stardust, why would he NOT want to create a human puppet army??
Viktor was talking about his glorious evolution before Jayce came so I think it had started happening already. Someone else pointed out that Salo wasn’t breathing so was already kinda just a husk
Another subtle writing decision actually provides great context for Vi breaking down and making it way more understandable. In addition to a TON of Saving Private Ryan references in the last episode, it becomes clear that Vi is and probably has been experiencing extreme PTSD since Vander died. In the last battle she is first seen desperately carrying Illaowi the rebel on her back only to watch her die, she watches Loris, who is a stand-in for Vander, cut down indiscriminately. She is on the front lines watching so many people die, and then on top of all that, she has to watch Vander die - FOR THE THIRD TIME. The idea that she is "stupid" for not being able to bear it anymore, completely misses the point of her character. She is the Protector, because she loves hard and sees many people as her family, yet it has also made her the vessel for incredible trauma. I think this is why Caitlin, knowing Vi so deeply, understands she needs to keep Jinx being alive secret, because Vi needs time to heal from the trauma, at the very least.
I agree. One of the driving forces in Vi's life is her need to save people. The final scenes with her and Jinx are understandably frustrating, but I interpret it as Vi being unwilling to let Vander go, because she can't not try to save the people she cares about. She holds Vander looking for a sign that he might still be there, regardless of the risk to herself. When Jinx chooses to let go of Vi, I think its because she recognizes that Vi can't let go. If she or Vander are still around, Vi will always put her happiness aside, so she kills two birds with one bomb (so to speak). With Vander gone and Jinx walking away, Vi can mourn them and move on.
@@FreelancerLAexactly! Jinx literally said “you’ll never be able to let me go, will you?” When she locked Vi in the cell. She realized that the best thing she could do for her sister is to let her go.
Thank you. This needed to be said. Yes there are great many of characters that go through incredible loads of trauma and fucked up shit through this show, but Vi for me personally is the main punching bag of the story. She always tries to do the right thing and protect everyone she cares about and she just keeps being kicked around and overall fucked by life and everytime it looks like something good might happen to her, she gets destroyed again and again over and over again. She and Ekko are two who deserved the happy ending most of all the characters in the show and i am glad she kinda have it. Saying she was "dumb" in that moment is incredibly unempathic and stupid, people dont think rationally or clear when they go through trauma and emotional whiplash and Vi was going through extreme trauma and emotional whiplash non-stop since the show started pretty much. So expecting her to "be smart and clear" and go against her nature and let embodiment of her dad to just die is just unrealistic and it would just not fit. But hey its just the thing to say while watching tv show/movie from comfort of a bed/couch while living nice cosy sheltered life. Fun fact: me and my friend were watching last act together and after ep7 we had to pause and go on discussion how fucked up it would be if ekko came to Vi and told her "Hey i was in alternate universe where you died and life was fucking perfect without you around", how freaking devastating would that be. Poor Vi, i agree that Ekko is the mvp that carried the story, but Vi will forever be the one that endured the most without corrupting her for single second. (and no her drinking and fighting in pits is not corruption, its just venting the frustration and its very justified)
Ekko mourning someone on the same place he and alternate-universe-Powder kissed is also a clever diversion I think. He wasn't mourning Jinx, he was mourning Heimerdinger.
Yeah, cause he was only burning one piece of paper rather than 2, which would be weird if he believed both Jinx and Heimerdinger were dead. Either he knows Yordles can't truly die and is mourning Jinx, or he knows deep down Jinx could have possibly gotten away and is mourning Heimerdinger
@stormSeven Maybe, though we don't see anyone that has explicitly lost more than one person doing the paper thing aside from Ekko. If we, for example, saw someone like Vi, who would at least be mourning Jinx, Vander, Isha, and Loris, we could judge based on if she burns 1 or 4 papers
and I Think Heimer is still alive if they able to pull Arcane S3.. he has more to give to ekko. maybe in S3 they meet again and heimer will explain why he is still alive..and also he is a Yorde. or maybe he is still alive in that alt world. HOPING
8:00 It's not last minute at all. It was shown clearly in S1 E9 Mel's golden tattoo glowed when the Jinx's rocket hit, and it is foreshadowed immediately in S2 E1 Mel covering up Jayce protecting him from the blast. They both walked out unscathed.
Yeah, honestly I feel like a lot of criticism I've seen of season 2 just stems from people not being able to read narrative that hasn't been outright overtly stated to them directly. Arcane moves at such a pace (which I think is really only the main criticism to be had of it) that it tells you a lot with showing rather than directly telling you up front and a lot of people don't seem to know how to handle that. This even goes back to the first season, like, for example the amount of people I've seen who seem to genuinely think Ekko escaped his fight with Jinx with just a twisted ankle because that's what he directly states, but what the show is imo quite clearly showing otherwise is he is injured worse than that and is just trying to downplay it to Heimerdinger.
I saw this episode 7 more than 10 times, but only now did i see that the alternative Powder also has the blue cloud tattoos that Jinx has. The difference is that the tattoos of the alternative Powder doesn't go all the way through the shoulder and arm. I don't know if it is just the hip or if it goes through her bust as well. nice detail fortiche. This show will make me crazy someday.
I loved the fact that "sane" alternate Powder still collected most of the shards of the unstable proto-type hex-crystals. It may take some time, but this alternate timeline probably also has hex-tech and an instable Jinx in its future... It is also telling that Powder did not reveal these shards to Ekko and Heimerdinger even though they worked together on the Z-drive. Heimerdinger, by the way, had more than 3 years to suppress Jayce/Victors research into Hextech, which he failed to do in the main timeline. He also found the coolest way to keep tabs on Ekko and being an inspiring musician to spread joy massively helped to integrate Zhaun and create an almost-Utopia Piltover/Zhaun. The amount of thought put in to a single episode for desparately needed rounding-off of character arcs setting up the finale is truely mind-blowing!
What surprises me is that the writer did confirm he does not mind killing champion characters to highten the emotional impact of the story, and I'm all in for it.
I loved the part when Sevika said "I propose we establish some sort of League made up of the Legends who fought in this war." And the other council member said "…Say that again."
Vi has proven repeatedly that she is incapable of giving up on her family. Staying on the ledge to save Vander is exactly what she has proven she will do. She even admits to Caitlyn earlier that she always chooses family over "the smart choice". Its why shes the emotional heart of S02. And Jinx's sacrifice was her finally not "screwing it up". This was her only way to go out as the "good person" she wanted to be, but never could pull off. If she lived, she'd probably just kill herself. So, dying for a purpose, and allowing Vi to finally move on was the final, beautiful redemption she needed.
I think the impetus for Victors change was not just Jayces attack, but that his commune failed. He tried to have his evolution with people who were only partly machine, and still had some free will. But when it didn't work he decided that the only solution was to have total control, completely mechanical people.
It's probably a combination of Jayce, once his most trusted friend, betraying him and the possibility of attackers ending his peaceful commune. It's kinda like the AI alignment problem. To accomplish your goal, your best course of action is to eliminate your greatest threat: humanity.
For those who hated the ending, I really don't think you guys would've liked the happy ending for everyone. The "happily ever after" can't give you the same reminiscent of the show like how we are feeling about the ending right now. The writers wanted us to get "frustrated" in the twisted ending, and live in the painful, strong, and long lasting reminiscent, but with the hopeful cliffhangers. Just look at the UA-cam videos coming out, talking about the ending. This is what makes this show so amazing.
I think they also wanted to show the potential of this world, where they could go with it after Arcane ends, so in that context all the crazy sudden sub-plot directions we got makes more sense.
@@Arander92 I think people just like to think how easy to pull good quality on animation. Arcane probably is the hardest animation to pull off with all those fantastic quality and all the details. They need to take a count of budget constraint and also hours to just deliver 9 episode with all those qualities are already fucking amazing. Even it felt rush, it still hold and deliver good narrative through the end unlike Game of Throne Last season.
I still feel like the Piltover Zaun conflict with Jinx, Vi, and Warwick doesn't work with the Arcane escalation (Victor and Jayce). Maybe that's just me, but they completely lost me when those I, Robot things started to swarm the city.
7:30 He does say to jayce ''I'd prefer to do this peacefully, but the noxian has other intentions''. I think when he sent that first robot to talk he had a hope of avoiding the war. He became willing to do it by those means, but I don't think he did a full 180 and completely lost faith.
Personally I was okay with the ending not featuring Jinx and Vi as heavily. They already had their major character arcs in the season 1 finale and throughout act 2. Vi and Jinx are protagonists but not the only protagonists after all. Thereby leaving Viktor and Jayce left to finish their story arcs and dedicating a season finale to them felt fine to me.
yeah i was confused by the amount of people complaining about the focus jayce and viktor got… as if they weren’t set up as the other relationship that was core to the story. s1 wasn’t just about vi and jinx’s relationship, it was theirs too - however you interpret their relationship it was very clearly established as a pillar of the story. literally as they start to grow apart it triggers war. arcane has a lot of that, the dissolution of relationships causing tragedy. vander and silco, mel and ambessa, vi and jinx, jayce and viktor, vi and caitlyn, hell even heimerdinger and singed. the finale ending with jayce and viktor’s reunion being what saves everything makes so much sense on a narrative level and i found it quite satisfying (even if jayce’s path to get there was… convoluted and frustratingly underexplained. SOME criticisms of the finale are justified, after all.)
@umbreonic766 Yeah I agree, parts of the ending to Jayces and Viktors arc are messy. Jayce’s ultimatum to Viktor about how “imperfections make us who we are” really felt like it came out of nowhere. Jayce never really experienced anything to come to such a conclusion, it would make more sense if for someone who went on heimerdinger’s journey. But still even if a bit messy Jayce and Viktor deserved a major finale.
@@molamola9723 his point about imperfections comes from a) his love for Vik (however you want to see it, friends or not), and because we all can undestand in the ending that Vik loathed himself for these imperfections and pushed his own change so much because of it, so that's why Jayce counterpoints it imo. b) from the narrative of Vik's cult that people should be their perfect selfes.
@@Alena-cz7hj I know where his point comes from but the show doesn’t show him reaching that point naturally through a character arc. His only revelation in s2 is that the arcane must be stopped and that’s it, nowhere does he learn the lesson that imperfections make us who we are it’s very out of nowhere. One moment he goes from killing Viktor, wanting to kill Viktor again, and then suddenly he’s appealing to Viktor with this argument.
@@molamola9723 he is appealing to him, because it's implied he had a longer convo with Mage!Viktor (how I see it), and because he promised to Mage!Vik that he will safe main reality Viktor
2:43 Not sure if anyone else has pointed this out but they probably made up in the other reality because of the note that was in episode 5. Also, on a unrelated note, the ending with Jinx's "death" mirrors what happened in season 1 with Vi and Jinx. In S1, Jinx thought Vi was dead, since nobody has seen her since the explosion, but Vi is instead going away and spending time behind bars. Now in S2 we have Vi thinking Jinx is dead after a huge explosion (Which, I'm now realising as I'm typing this, Vander was technically there for both explosions) and Jinx is going away. Sure she's not going away to do time but she's going away nonetheless.
In episode 8, when Cait finds Vi in the jail cell, Vi is mad at herself for again making bad choices. "I choose wrong every time, and because of it I've lost everyone." I feel this was a foreshadow to her once again making a bad decision on the ledge and losing Jinx.
Jinx “walked away” as Silco said. The ending is way more sadder when you remember Jinx has been trying to stop Vi from hurting Warwick because he’s Vander. In the end she puts him out of his misery with her grenade, hugging him and remembering him. It’s super touching, plus the fact that she survives makes it not as depressing 😂
Season two tried to push two seasons worth of plot into one. It worked, barely, because the writers are smart. But the whole plot moving of a conflict between cities to a rogue Jesus so quickly makes people get lost in the plot. With a third season, it would have worked perfectly.
I'm biased cause i still love this s2 but i think they just needed like 10 more minutes in episode 8 and 9. After Acts 1 and 2 being so Zaun focused it feels kind of forgotten for the final act. They couldve fixed this by showing the full scene of Ekko convincing jinx to live and the undercity's, specifically Sevika's, reaction to Jinx's call to help Piltover. A longer and more fleshed out epilogue also would have been nice.
I agree. Another season (with another 7 hours or so) would have ruined the shows quick pacing while also making it more obvious that the show is just repetitions of itself.
12:32 there are so many moments in arcane where victor is comparred to mel, they have the same shots of their hand, the same expression, the same placement of moles, they are both Jayces partners. Saying that he had Mel at home really misses a lot of stuff that was said. Mel and Jayce didn't really love eachother, they loved the idea they had of eachother. Jayce staying was an act of love (doesn't have to a romantic one, could be platonic but still love)
Silco's advice to Jinx to me is the ultimate evidence sealing the fact that she definitely faked her death, breaking the cycle to disappear quietly. Leaving people to forget abt her as Zaun's symbol. I was wondering how the ending would go for her as well, since by the end of Arc 2 she was clearly not fitting her name any longer (fixing instead of wrecking/new maturity), showing signs that it was time to "get rid" of the story behind it, while it being impossible since she was still leading the revolt. Me and my friend jokingly thought she needed a 3rd name fitting ber growth and new identity but I guess letting people forget abt her works just as well. I hope she gets to live a full life now.
Arcane is an amazing show, season 1 was perfect and season 2 was great but flawed. Criticism dosent not mean a show isn’t good, we all feel the pacing issues that bleed into the stories but we can also all tell how much love, care and passion went into making this masterpiece of a show. Still a 10/10 in my books.
Agreed. I also think the show runners and writers were pretty exhausted finishing this. Putting something out like this that will likely be remembered as one of the best animated shows of all time has to absolutely max out everyone involved. They still stuck the landing. I wanted and extended 2nd season with 2 additional acts. I think that would have given this story a little more room to breathe without dragging imo.
A friend of mine theorized that in the alternate timeline, Silco actually got Vander's letter. Also, Vi never got to say goodbye to Vander. ANY OF THE THREE TIMES HE DIED. So give her some fucking slack.
Also she never gave herself the time to fully grieve him bc she had to keep going to survive, which is why she has a break down mid season (the drinking the fighting the dyed hair the rejection of color, she's grieving but doesn't know how to cope and isn't trying to work through her grief in a meaningful actually healing way. instead she's getting self destructive like her sister) I'd even argue that she hasn't properly grieved the death of her parents so ofc she'd have no semblance of self preservation bc her go to has been trying to safe them and if that doesn't work cry for a minute and then get on with life bc she has someone to protect (powder, jinx and the undercity itself, she blames herself for ALL the deaths of her loved ones including those where she couldn't do jack shit about (or more like especially those) and so she thinks she has to try to finish what Vander started, in her own way) and thus she can't allow herself to be out of commission. mid season she finally allows herself to do this thing she should've been able to do for a long time but by then all she knows is fighting to survive so she does that, fighting herself to. survive. her role as protector gives her a sense of self and she has lost that with cait leaving her (bc she also protected cait evidently.) so basically she's lost herself and she doesn't cope well. sorry for the rambling 😅
I wasn't mad when I saw Vi not wanting to give up on Vander because I think it fits her it's not stupidity. Even if Jinx recognize it, Vi, as a Character has never been able to give up on anyone. Even when she says at the beginning of Season 2 that her sister is beyond saving it only took a small hint of hope to make her try to reconnect with her again. She is unable to give up and after being freed from Viktor, it's reasonable to think Vander could still be in there.
Ekko ,fortunately or unfortunately, is too logical, he knows this world isn't his and the people aren't the same, that's why he said "people need me". too wishful thinking you should stay there, you are essentially an imposter a different person taking the place of another.
Ekkooo... Thats y he da MVP, thats y he da goat! Da GOOOAAAAATT!!! Let everyone acknowledge that Ekko RESISTED Victor's mind meld with straight up WILLPOWER to make that last move. He gave up true love, a paradise, lost his mentor/ Heimerdinger on the process just to save the whole world. 🎉🎉🙌🙌💯😭 Only those with the strongest wills can do the hardest things.
There is another proof of Jinx survival. When she detonated the bomb right before ekko arrived we can see the eyes of the monkey bomb blowing up (with no ekko she would have died) BUT THE BOMB CAIT has in her hand still has the eyes. They dont do thing randomly, they never did.
I feel Jinx actually did have a strong motivation for sacrificing herself. After the deaths of their families, Jinx’s internalized burden of guilt is centered on her feeling responsible for the deaths of everyone closest to her and Vi’s internalized burden of guilt is centered on her past failure to protect the people she’s loved. Jinx’s final sacrifice simultaneously prevented herself from “Jinxing” Vi’s death and removed Vi’s burden of having to put Jinx’s life before her own.
with regards to jinx at the end, the thing that gets to me the most is what she says to Vi in Episode 8: "There is no good version of me." when Ekko shows up in her place and keeps stopping her from... yknow. he has the Z-Drive, with some key Jinx-isms that Jinx actually recognizes. Later on, when she says to Vi, "I'm with you, sis, even when we're worlds apart," I think she might be referencing Ekko's experiences in the alternate timeline. It doesn't strike me as unbelievable that Ekko would tell her about it all, and we see when she comes back to Piltover in her balloon, she's got a swagger and moxie that is reminiscent of both her S1 self and Ekko. However, the moxie is subdued, leveled out into a sort of confidence and centered-ness whereas previously when she'd displayed that level of moxie it was laced with mania. I think in the time between the E9 opening and her showing up to Piltover (because i struggle to believe they got that balloon ready in only a few hours) Ekko is able to re-inspire her to hold onto hope for life and chase something new. Hence why there's the implication of her leaving Zaun and Piltover on the blimp, and why she would zip out of the explosion, and even why she would join the fight to begin with. So as she's leaving Zaun and Piltover, there's some part of her that's been "saved". Maybe she's not completely recovered from the trauma, but she's started taking those steps.
Even though I was a bit bothered myself first time I watched it, the point of the moment when Vi is crying at Warwick is to reinforce that same matter Jinx brought up at prison, that Vi DON'T give up on the people she loves, no matter how far gone they are and to a point that she does put herself in danger every single time. This is also why Jinx faked her death to her, because Vi can never give up on her, and they both need to move forward to break the cycle. Vi needs to stop sacrificing herself to save Jinx, and Jinx needs to figure herself out not as Vi's sister, or Silco's daughter, or Isha's friend, but her own person for herself alone.
16:35 this is actually pretty solid proof that Jinx survived, the pink line completely clashes with the shape of the explosion and it seems intentional
Also Ekko only burns a piece of paper. Jinx let him know she was alive before she dipped. Otherwise he would’ve burned two, one for Jinx and one for Heimer.
As to why Viktor changed his whole world philosophy after Jayce attempted to kill him - Jayce was the most important person in Viktor's world. There are no indications he ever really had a friend besides Jayce and if someone was going to understand his perspective, surely Jayce would be that person. Now there were definite red flags that Jayce wasn't down with "the new Viktor" (saying Hextech is a curse, splatting Salo) but Viktor expected him to come find the commune so they could talk. Instead Viktor opens his eyes to see madness and bloodlust consume his friend. Well, dang. "If even Jayce can get so emotional he would kill me, everyone else is surely as flawed. There will be some collateral damage initially, but then an end to all violence and conflict as the Glorious Evolution removes all emotion and 'troublesome' individuality. United at last." or something like that. Yea, Viktor didn't handle that rejection very well.
This Dance part is animated 4 frames per second, a connection to 4 seconds per time rewind using the Z Drive Ekko and Powder co created. Solidifying the "Ever wish if we can stay in this moment" if Ekko used the ZDrive this would be the flashes of memory he would experience/see
i have a tiny headcannon that in the alt timeline, silco got vanders note and it really did change everything (obviously not the four kids doing the heist but like pretty much everything else) and that’s why they’re friends again
also shimmer clearly doesn’t exist and that’s so cool! or maybe it’s just not everywhere because of silco and the doctor guy still made it but only used it for his daughters experiment
@@kaleidokai11 Singed probably still made shimmer, but without a proper deck and funding from a crime boss like Silco, there's no way he would be able to mass-produce like that (and have no real reason to spread it for profit insce that was NEVER his intention)
Since there are probably gonna be some spin-off series, there are theories that Jayce and Viktor were sent to another dimension, so I’d like to see how that plays out!
Big Essay Incoming About Jinx's Possible Future! I think jinx has three main possibilities for where she goes. i don't think she'll be THE main focus but a present character in the series. A familiar element in a new part of valoran. the three main regions i think will be for the next season if jinx will be involved are Demacia, Ionia, or Noxus. 1. Demacia - i could see this being a story for a poster character in lux as the main focus. maybe her life helps explain the rune wars and what was left after. This would give a chance for jinx to see how this region recovered with war like Piltover and Zaun is going through rn. would also give jinx chances for friend. and the fandom would get lightcannon although i think she would be a better friend than love interest. we could also see her interact more with those of a place so lawful and focused on justice. 2. Ionia - i personally like this one because it would make the most sense for jinx as a choice since she can find inner peace. i also think the main focus could be alot of characters and they meet jinx in passing. this would be a good way to show her journey in "healing" so when Zaun and Piltover are a main focus again jinx could maybe return. i also think ionia would be good to showcase more about wild runes then the other two but im sure they could pull it off anywhere. im also just a sucker for the champs in this region. (Sett and Rakan/Xayah) 3. Noxus - ok this may be a crazy shot in the dark but i wanted to make a huge theory in this region. we saw the swain crow so he would be a focus in this region. i feel jinx could continue down a sad path by replacing singed in this region's lore. what i mean by this is that in LoL, Singed helps make ChemTech weapons there for the invasion into Ionia. Singed has his daughter so will be less inclined to help based on arcane motivations as his daughter is everything. So, in the new series it could be that swain has been watching jinx this whole time with the crows and knows of her talents, so he snags her to force her to create these weapons. she becomes a big reveal of being "the crazy scientist that builds" for Noxus. This could stretch to other characters that want to go against swain want to take out the builder of these weapons. Mel could even be a part of this force, and we share Mel's reaction to this reveal. And since Mel was from Piltover she could send word of this discovery for a glimpse of Vi and the crew. Another hope i have is that since Ekko was mourning at night with only one paper (Heimerdinger), he knows and joined her in the morning in the blimp. But Ekko does have more to do in Zaun so I don't think its super possible.
Bro I just wanted Ekko to be happy. Arcane is perfect cus some people just dont get to be happy and in my opinion it what makes it feel real . And in the end i just wanted ekko in this realty to be happy in the end.
So, worth noting but Heimer's sacrifice? It wasn't. Yordles can't die, they just reappear in bandle city. They're the runeterra version of the fey. (Which does mean zeech is back there too, though I have to wonder if he reappeared back there with nothing but stumps for limbs since he went with prosthetics. ) Its why Vex is the way she is. Likewise, Warwick is likely not dead either. Vander? Yeah, he's been wiped. But warwick's mutation won't let him die. That was the entire point. What likely happens is the beast regenerates, now the full wolf character we know since what was left of vander was burned out of him by signed. Jayce and Viktor? Also not dead. They're tapping the same magic that bard, soraka and aurelion sol use. They're 'gone' but not dead and likely to return eventually. There's only two league 'champs' that are 'dead' (one only sorta). The confirmed dead is ambessa. She's gone. We see the body, she's not coming back. The other? Blitzcrank. He was viktor's invention originally (though jayce stole credit and that's what caused the split, but that's old lore). Seriously though, I suspect they're going to make Blitz a creation of Ekko's now. His personality matches ekko's better and they've shared cinematics together so they do know each other at least. Ambessa's death was actually kinda hinted at anyway, since her trailer is literally all about her relationship to the wolf (ya know, wolf and lamb? AKA Kindred, AKA Death). My biggest disappointment here was that they had a chance to feature more champs without really bogging things down, just by having them show up for the fight with the rest. Mundo, twitch, zeri, etc. Just to acknowledge their existence. However, the writers did already explain it was a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation since people would be pissed if they didn't get a bit of limelight too, so they just left them out.
about "jinx death", i dont think she is dead, because if she was dead, then they would have found her dead body but all we get is pieces of the grenade and a map where she could have flet. So i am quite sure she survived and based on arcanes build up stories, the airship scene would make so much more sense. I hope the first scene we get in the next series is her riding the ship into the new arc
Corin, the scene you said you might be insensitive about, if you look deeper into it, it would be less funny 1-When Ekko said Pow- and stopped he realized he f'ed up. As Powder for Jinx is an insult, powder is gone. So she went for it. You can see she sighed. 2-When Ekko said stop a friend from blowing US up, Jinx jumped off to only do it to her self and herself only. 3-Jinx used the monkey grenade and not chompers, she hasnt used it ever since Vander died because it took vander's life. So she brought the monkey nade back to end herself with what ended Vander, and the monkey nade version here was a sad, sick of life one with the graffiti, not the crazy looking one. 4-When it finally worked out, it was because Jinx noticed the monkeys in Ekko's Z-drive, when he was trying to tell her it's not too late. 4 attempts of saving her for the 4 second savior boy.
I think you missed something in your initial reaction. Yes Vi could have just walked away, but as usual, she was too emotional, and Jinx was hurt as a consequence. I thought this nicely mirrored the scene from S1A1 when she struck her. Again Vi lets her emotions control her, and Powder/Jinx pays the price. I liked it
Omgg i agree so much about being pissed at the ending. Like when i first watched it i was so upset and mad at Vi (as a big Vi fan) but after i went to sleep and like rewatched act 3 I realized how depressing this moment is. Uhh episode 7 powder said that her sister was drived by the fear of losing those she cared about. Which we can see is true about this Vi too. In that moment she probably realized that she couldn't save him, save apart of her family. She was staring right at her biggest fear and we see for the first time her actually bring controlled by it completely. She's paralyzed in that moment, just like anyone would be. Like yeah it was completely idiotic to just stand there but in that moment she couldn't move. I think if Warwick didn't wake up or if the ledge they were on want breaking she would've woken up and moved but that's not a story the writers wanted us to have and not the ending Vi needed to deal with her problems Unfortunately the only way Vi could move is if they're was nothing/ no one in her past that she could latch onto
Man… at first I didn’t really get ship between jinx and ekko, but after ep 7 I understood. Bro the fact that Jinx was healing and getting better because of Isha, and Ekko didn’t get to see it brakes my heart. They took “in another life” too seriously.
I'm really hoping that Jinx didn't die, and i don't recommend playing League of Legends if you like Arcana, and thanks for giving me hope about Jinx.😊😊
One thing we can all agree on whether we loved the ending or not is that Ekko was the MVP. It's kind of funny though how he saved Jinx by basically save scumming and finally choosing the right RPG dialogue choice while talking to her
ye i really wished they have something different for VI on the ledge screen. Maybe her leg broke and she couldnt move, or warwick grabbed her before she can make it to another platform. This wouldve made jinx sacrifice mean a bit more.
I truly believe jinx n vi will return. Cait isnt investigating this 4 nothing. Nor is she going to go to vi n give her false hope her sister is alive. I think we get a spin off where we follow new set of characters in a new location n at the end of season 1. Cait walks and says shes looking for someone and shows us a picture of jinx. Then the fans go insane. Season 2 is cait n vi reuniting with jinx
My question is was cait investigating this cause she wants a reason to believe jinx is alive or because she had concrete evidence that made her think she's alive
Honestly, it sounds like the simpler possibility is just Jinx venturing through Noxus trying to find herself or something. Maybe Ekko shows up too, I dunno, but Caitlyn and Vi certainly won’t be involved. The most you can hope for is that she goes back to Piltover-Zaun at the end and then the next season focuses on whatever characters she meets in Noxus, closing the page on the Arcane story arc for good
The music was absolutely masterful as well, every single little bit just induces so much emotion and immersion. I can't listen to any of the songs from season 2 without getting emotional again.
Viktor is a conscientious psychopath. When he rejects Singed, he doesn't care about Vander's humanity, he wants to one-up the brilliant Alchemist. When he purges his mental projection of Sky, he tells her, that he'll miss their talks, but his subconscious isn't buying it. He conceptualizes a good person as someone who cares about people, but at the same time he knows full well that he just really, _really_ doesn't care about people at all. They bore him. Viktor cares about things, concepts, problems, but not people, his entire existence centered around tracking down and solving the world's most difficult Rubik's cube. So he must climb up the abstraction ladder and rationalize his completely ruthless, bloody pursuit as philanthropic.
What you say is quite interesting but I don't think your theory holds up. Hasn't Viktor demonstrated numerous times that he's neurocognitively normal? Think about his reaction to Sky being disintegrated by the Hexcore. Would a psychopath be capable of such a high degree of guilt, to the point where he tries to commit suicide? And that's merely one example.
He also literally refuses the proposition that Singed proposes to him with Vander because of the fact that Vander 'is a man, and not a beast'. Pretty sure he cares about his humanity. He was even willing to compromise his own safety to save Vander. Remember Sky warning him that saving Vander was a risk, and Viktor replied that he was worth it?
@18:16 Faked her death makes it sound premeditated and I doubt she planned to have NotWolverine attack. It looks more like she just decided she didn't want to die. The only way it makes sense is if we say the writers faked her death, not she.
Exactly! People act as if she planned it all along, but it was more of a spontaneous decision. Perhaps after the escape, she considered walking away, but the writers chose to make her death deliberately ambiguous, and we'll never get to know her POV in all this.
@Vicky-ke4es Yeah, I would have prefered they ended the prison cell scene right when Caitlyn's shirt hit the floor then fade to black and move on and tack that extra time onto the end and give us a less ambiguous ending for Jinx; like right after Vi gives the dirt under your fingernails line Jinx could burst in saying "Here I am, your big fat hero" or something better written then that and a lot less ambiguous than a single frame of a pink streak on the screen. That would have been a lot more satisfying.
vi is so incredibly traumatized, she has endured way too much for one person (esp. as a child) and her trauma has always been heavily overlooked. it was a breakdown, not a „loss of braincells“…
Thank you for making this review! I was baffled when I saw how negatively the ending was recieved. I too felt disapointed at first but man, it is so much better like this
On the note of Victor, and how he ends up losing his humanity, ends up being the main big bad of Act 3 and just why he does what he does. I think a lot of people overlook what Jayce says in the council room to Viktor that "My partner died in this room". That's true if you think about that Jayce's biggest mistake is trying to save Victor. If you look back at Season 1 there is a huge arc with Victor coming to terms that he is dying and in trying to save himself he literally obliterates his assistant and love interest Skye. After that he makes Jayce promise to destroy the Hexcore which, JAYCE DOESN'T DO! This leads into Jayce fusing Viktor with the core in Season 2 and the result is that trying to save Viktor he ultimately loses him. Now more on how Viktor is lost after that fusing I think you have to look a lot more of the theming of the show. All the PURPLE coloring that is shown around Viktor and the corruption on the Hexcore, the Firelight tree, and ALSO the plant that Singed derives shimmer from is part of the arcane called The Void. Long story short, The Void is a part of the Arcane that got woken up from its nap when the universe of Runeterra and life was created and is generally just pissed off and its only goal is to get rid of all sentient life so it can go back to sleep. I think when Viktor initially comes out of his cocoon he obviously still retains a portion of his humanity and still wants to help people but he is being essentially used as a puppet himself by The Void. A lot of people have discussed whether the Skye that we see in Viktor's realm is actually Skye or just a part of Viktor's self conscience I think is actually neither, Skye is actually just figure that The Void is using to guide Viktor. Theory on why this is, at the end of episode two when Viktor tells Singed to do the procedure Viktor says to the figure of Skye, "Thank you very much for your company in my SOLITUDE. I will miss our talks". The figure of Skye responds saying as her voice changes and she dissolves in PURPLE "No, you won't". What do we draw from this, Viktor is not actually with Skye in his consciousness, or with any of the others that he has evolved, he is alone with The Void. Then as Viktor undergoes the blood trasfusion procedure, his eyes burn PURPLE and his new mask forms over his face. The humanity of Viktor is now completely trapped and he himself is a puppet of The Void. At least that is my take on what I see in the details of the show.
When your best friend/ your homie/ your bro just macks you without even allowing to have a proper sit down chat. That can really BREAK a person towards evil.
Thank you for the great analysis!! I loved this show and I needed someone to really part down the last episode and you did an excellent job!!! Keep doing what you’re doing! Liked and subscribed :)
I am going to need another season of Echo in alternate universe Zonn. Him and grown up Powder were giving me life. I am not going to Lie I loved Ambessa She was so awesome, and the levels of 7d chess she was playing was catching me every time. I Love that her two daughter figures kinda gave it to her in the end. Mel finally getting her mother's Respect as well as her love was awesome. Kate proving she took Ambessa's lessons to heart by sacrificing her eye to give Mel the shot! it was just everything. I like that Savvica got a seat at the table that made me happy. The ending made me mad too. I thought Jinx died, and that was some dumb ish after She was going to commit suicide and Echo talked her down. Why couldn't they ride off into the sunset together??! Still over all it was good, just should have been more of AU Zonn and Timebomb.
the Viktor stuff, I think it's not just Jayce but also the Noxians, war is his true enemy, also we have to understand that after he's fully go for the glorious evolution, he just choose the most efficient way to get to the hexgate , his main objective then... it was way too fast and unrelatable because it was, he's a super computer now.
I've seen a number of takes on the Jayce & Viktor dynamic and them dying together. I like the sentiment that they were destined to meet each other and were soulmates (whether you interpret that in a platonic or romantic way is up to you). Note that Viktor could've gone and stopped himself from entangling with Jayce, but instead he chose the path of providing Jayce different runes to ultimately lead him to meet Viktor. Viktor wanted to still have timelines where he and Jayce got close and worked on Hextech together.
The only storyline i want to see more of is Mel. Gimme a graphic novel of her going back to Noxas and getting her get back. Who's her father? Is he a mage? Need the deets!
3:00 "and after what happens in t end of ep 6 all I wanted t see was a happy Jinx"... Curious... how I didn't feel this way ... Because first of all I wanted Isha to have survived and I refused to accept it until the last second... But after it became obvious... All I wanted was to mourn the loss with our baby blue... And as much as I LOVE ep 7 (lord that's heaven 2), I am grateful to have been one of the few people in the world who were lucky enough to watch ep 8 BEFORE ep 7. (a confusion that occurred for which I am eternally grateful)... Starting the show with episode 8 has already brought out several answers... Then we allowed time to accept the loss of Isha and bring us an even greater connection through Jinx... Because we are also depressed, but she...she's above that, also isolated. (Yep, that hurts us even more like this)... And then we completely understand what she is planning when she leaves there. ( It's also worth mentioning that the doubt about Jayce remains since Ep 8 doesn't reveal what he knows)... So here comes ep 7... A break in the rhythm... heaven and hell... And everything we didn't even know we wanted was given to us. If at the beginning of the season you think you wanted to see Jinx happy, in this sequence, after noticing the rope around her neck, you no longer have any hope for something good... And they.. they give it back to you... Not just to Ekko... But to you too... It's brilliant And how does ep 9 start? Back to the end... But with Ekko doing the divine work and HOLY SHIT THIS IS AHHHHHH Sorry... but can we say how heavy this topic is and how offensive the impeccable quality with which the series approached the subject is, in a light and even somewhat comical way, making it seem like something easy? Dude... Anyway... ep 8 and then 7 with 9 ending will always be the right order for me.
Seriously, here's my invitation for you to try this too, friend. See for yourself... And if you do, when you do, try to imagine what someone who saw it in that order for the first time felt.
Going to agree and disagree with you on Vi I. The last scene with Jinx. Her decision is stupid and she should have listened to Jinx. But first off I think we can all agree intense emotions don’t make it easy for people to think rationally. If intense emotions are difficult then extreme trauma is damn near impossible. You going to hate on Vi for her trauma that NEVER got a chance to truly heal? She got lock away for years and how many times did Vander’s death and Silco approaching Jinx play in her head? Do you really think the guards gave a damn about her mental state while they were abusing her? And what point in the show did she get therapy? She was dumb but humans in her situation are dumb. Humans are a lot dumber for far more paltry reasons.
Thank you for this analysis. I agree this show is the pinnacle of this style of art. I’ve been analyzing cartoons since the mid 1960s and have yet to see its equal. A close one is the “Love, Death, and Robots” series but this one has consistency which the other lacks. Let’s hope the creative crew don’t follow the same path as Star Wars and the MCU. Both blew away the world when they showed us what could be done, then lost their heart.
I loved s2 up till act 3. All the time/dimension stuff realy just felt like they were trying to either use it as a way to incorporate skin line worlds into canon story or they just wanted a marvels endgame plot line because it's cool. Ultimately I feel either act 3 will get retconed in a future season somehow because of all the stuff with Victor being so out of left field and making no sense to league canon.
i love how we all agreed Jayce breaking his leg with his own hammer and falling into a ditch is such a Jayce thing to do
and it forced him to experience just a small slice of what Viktor's life had been like. Crippled, isolated, in a world of darkness that he had to claw his way out of without any help.
@@equestrianrosie Ay yo, what if Viktor purposely let Jayce craw his way through the ditch quite literally, to teach him a lesson =)))
It was hammer time for real
Nah, he didn't kill a single child on his way down, that's not Jayce.
@@zippo7422well that's not fair because theres no child to be killed there, if there were he wouldve done so fr
Him saying he was pissed off after watching the ending for the first time, then rewatching it and go "absolute cinema" I related hard XD
For real, I was in complete disbelief, was digesting what I had just watched, and decided "y'know what? I'm dissecting this whole thing" and proceeded to rewatch.
Haven't fully rewatched it yet, but I did kind of get that vibe from the ending where I was like "I feel disappointed right now, but my opinion will probably change after rewatching it."
Kind of the same thing I felt after finishing Final Fantasy VII Rebirth the first time.
he literally said that his opinion changed a little, not "absolute cinema"
i was so angry and sad about the ending. i watchend episode 7 again and i felt like it all makes sence now.
also i think it doesent matter how the ending would have been i would never be happy cause i just dont want it to end.
@Kennedy00Louis I did exactly the same things !
Also realize that the "vi jump" scene is a parallel to the start when vi was telling powder to jump from the rooftops
I didnt notice that, that would be brilliant! Full circle
Vi didn't jump but she did end up grabbing Powder/Jinx's hand again to keep her from falling
Stop it I’m crying again
Even the looking down angle is shot for shot
Oh fuck
Jayce really pulled the "Bros before magical hoes" move. A real hero.
And it worked
He’s a better man then me😂
@@DmitrySholokhov not choosing his bro would've ended the world so whether he stayed or left - there would be no "hoes" for Jayce either way
Real ones know bros and hoes can be the same thing with this hack
How about boyfriends instead of magical girls?
Faking her death is the best solution.
But Ekko will probably try to find her.
I hope so
We need a solo Ekko series of him finding her
@@ItsGulpe yes yes yes pls
Nah Ekko is leading people
I need to see it
Shinged casually getting the happiest ending
I know right! Only did what he thought was right, changed what he could, adapted to what he couldn't, had patience, and was rewarded. A total badass.
"Shigned" bro doesn't deserve to people getting his name right 😭🙏
@@ClintStone-t9m💀
As a noob league of legends gamer who knows none of the lore of the game, realizing orianna is singed daughter really had me shook. Especially since I main in orianna I was like 😱😱😱😱
@@ClintStone-t9mdeserve to people
As a 3D animatior/artist, I can definitely see Arcane up there with the greatest Animated series of all time like. The amount of detail in this series is just inspiring.
This is so real!!! Arcane and ATLA have really inspired me so much as creative to want to create my own shows
not to mention the fact that why the VFX are so crispy is cause they are all hand drawn and animated , ontop of using paralax processes and such
There were a few out-of-character moments, granted. But Vi doing foolish things to save a loved one that can't be saved is pretty much on par for the character.
Thank you! I know people expect Vi to be solemn and aggressive all the time, but she is still human. Seeing your father figure to die in front of you is going to make abandoning him very difficult.
@@BatAmericatwice. This was the second time she cradled his face in her hands. No shit she was frozen 😭
And that might be the reason Jinx decided to fake her own death. She knew that if Vi knew she was alive, she would constantly chase after her.
Fr. Like did nobody notice how this scene sort of mirrored the premise when Powder killed Vander and her siblings? Like they both fell again, Vi traumatized holding Vanders face only this time instead of hitting her little sister and „leaving“ her, she won’t give up so Jinx has to leave her?
It’s kind of a bittersweet redemption.
@@ThyFloorestFloorunless Caitlyn comes distracts her then Vi doesn’t give a crap apparently 😂
Arcane is definetly a masterpiece of a Netflix distribution. This is how you proberly adapt a series from a game! It's like a painting come to life with glorius visuals! Truly visual storytelling at it's finest!
I couldn't agree more, we don't get show's like this often, I hope it wins best adaptation at the Game Awards
i mean its good cuz netflix only distributes it and took no part in actually making it lol
im just glad not all western media is trashbin quality
fyi it's not produced by netflix, only distributed, It was produced by Riot
A Glorious Evolution
For adaptation of games
I think act 3 was a little short in my opinion, don't get me wrong the finale was amazing but if each episode was an hour long we would've gotten a lot more buildup to the final battle
It wasn't too short, it's the same length as season 1, it's just the time wasn't distributed well. Act 1,2 and act 3 should have been split half and half.
@@Dew-b8b yes
@Dew-b8b Yeah you got a good point there, I just wish we could've seen more of Heimerdinger and Ekko, I was also hoping they would confirm if Isha is dead or not, that's something I've been thinking about recently
@@oneheavygroove Isha didnt have any enhancment so she is dead 100% i think
Yeah ACT 3 should have at least one more episode
Of course Vi didn't immediately jump off that ledge to safety, girl was having PTSD to Vander's death. They even show her flash to when she saw him after the fall from the warehouse. As you say in the video these characters are young and experienced A Lot of trauma at a young age. That was the moment her entire world changed and seeing it again she wasnt thinking clearly.
totally agree. i don’t think she even heard jinx in that moment
Yeah she also havent really had a breakdown for the entirerity of act 3. This is basically her mental breakdown.
Lmao. Vis the worst character. Her lust for Cait was her main personality whole season2. Disgusting honestly
h0 is u gay? @@taguro1006
Even if she did Warwick would wake up and killed both of them.
I was fucking sad about heimerdinger, but the good news is, they are lore-wise a type of spirit that take that shape in those little "mammalian bipeds", they can't really die.
Yea apparently lore wise as long as his spirit form isn’t destroyed he can never truly die
Right. Yordles reincarnate at the Bandle Tree. It's quite literally like a video game.
@@StriderZesseibut will he "respawn" at his own timeline tree or in the timeline he was ? 🤔
They only die if you stop buying their skins or stop playing them in game.
@@PandaEnPleurs well Bundle City is kinda outer from every timeline pocket dimension which connects to other universes through randomly appearing portals. So answer is yes and no
Isha should have been displayed in the background at least shown happy with her parents in an alt timeline when Ekko was walking through the streets in the alt-universe just to give some closure for her sacrifice.
Jinx is definitely alive. Everyone is talking about the pink streak before the explosion, but there was also a pink streak when she tackled vander, definitely not a coincidence. she definitely escaped.
I hope you are right because I am mad as hell that they did Jinx so dirty.
Jinx is for sure alive. The pink streak, "The End" being written in her psycho scratch... Jinx is on that airship. Why else would they show an airship leaving Piltover/Zaun with no other context?
@@vagabond142oh there is other context as well, the other context is that Jinx at one point said she wanted to be on one of those airships one day lmfao - 100% she’s alive, I’d even bet on seeing her again in another series after Arcane
@@owenyin3316 Honestly, the next series would rock if it covered Demacia or Iconia. Soooooooo much lore there to go through.
On top of all the little clues, we can also just go off the logic of S1Ep7. After that explosion Jinx was completely fine and Ekko walked away with a twisted ankle. The explosion in the finale was a bit bigger so maybe Jinx broke an arm… that’s about it.
My main man Vander was not only disrespected but *ERASED* and *REDUCED* to a *ROBOT FURRY,* Singed absolutely did not deserve to get his daughter back in any way.
Singed wins league of legends
People don't always get what they deserve. It's like getting mad that uncle Ben died in Spiderman.
RIGHT?!!! LIKE VANDER SUFFERED SO MUCH PAIN
but he didnt got his daughter back, what you see is a in the end is a robot with the features of orianna, not orianna herself.
he failed on resurrecting her so he just recreated her with an AI that talks like her
You're forgetting that there's another person besides him that's part of that equation - his daughter. Did she also not "deserve" to get another chance at life?
"It makes you appreciate what could have been for these characters..."
What could have been...
I hope you knooow we had everything
@@VIXXlight_VIXXComeBackthaat you brooke me and left these pieeeces
What could have been was really beautiful. I was happy Ekko got to at least have one happy episode and then when Powder brings him to her little memorial for Vii It brought out all of my season 1 PTSD lmao.
Ekko and Powder gave off Miles and Gwen vibes
Nbs💯😭😭😭
Funny cause Vi’s voice actress is the same as Gwen’s
@@nandoman4769True that but it was Ekko and Powder not Vi
Her dance look is a lot like Gwen’s prom outfit
😂
viktor changed that much because he fully understood that after jayce almost killed him, emotions cause chaos, rage, pain and they would always be a contradiction of humans, so he couldn't save people from themselves. so he then decided to do that sacrifice of vander in order to fullfill his "glorious revolution" and "save" all humanity
maybe it also was the hex-core and the arcane not wanting to die in him so it persuaded his judgement to sacrifice WW into fully evolving... viktor literally stated "the doctor was right" during his near death speech so, it wasn't too harsh of a change
i think it was more that he realized Jayce was gonna try to fully kill him and the only options were to raise an army big enough to defeat jayce or just die
He was also stripped of his humanity with every death and revival. With every hexcore augmentation, he lost a bit more of his human body and mind; he was clearly not fully human anymore by the first time he was revived by Hexcore, and he lost all his contact with humanity when he was revived a second time and became the machine herald. My guy is literally an omnipotent cosmical being made of photons and stardust, why would he NOT want to create a human puppet army??
Viktor was talking about his glorious evolution before Jayce came so I think it had started happening already. Someone else pointed out that Salo wasn’t breathing so was already kinda just a husk
Another subtle writing decision actually provides great context for Vi breaking down and making it way more understandable.
In addition to a TON of Saving Private Ryan references in the last episode, it becomes clear that Vi is and probably has been experiencing extreme PTSD since Vander died. In the last battle she is first seen desperately carrying Illaowi the rebel on her back only to watch her die, she watches Loris, who is a stand-in for Vander, cut down indiscriminately. She is on the front lines watching so many people die, and then on top of all that, she has to watch Vander die - FOR THE THIRD TIME.
The idea that she is "stupid" for not being able to bear it anymore, completely misses the point of her character. She is the Protector, because she loves hard and sees many people as her family, yet it has also made her the vessel for incredible trauma.
I think this is why Caitlin, knowing Vi so deeply, understands she needs to keep Jinx being alive secret, because Vi needs time to heal from the trauma, at the very least.
I agree. One of the driving forces in Vi's life is her need to save people. The final scenes with her and Jinx are understandably frustrating, but I interpret it as Vi being unwilling to let Vander go, because she can't not try to save the people she cares about. She holds Vander looking for a sign that he might still be there, regardless of the risk to herself. When Jinx chooses to let go of Vi, I think its because she recognizes that Vi can't let go. If she or Vander are still around, Vi will always put her happiness aside, so she kills two birds with one bomb (so to speak). With Vander gone and Jinx walking away, Vi can mourn them and move on.
@@FreelancerLAexactly! Jinx literally said “you’ll never be able to let me go, will you?” When she locked Vi in the cell. She realized that the best thing she could do for her sister is to let her go.
Thank you. This needed to be said. Yes there are great many of characters that go through incredible loads of trauma and fucked up shit through this show, but Vi for me personally is the main punching bag of the story. She always tries to do the right thing and protect everyone she cares about and she just keeps being kicked around and overall fucked by life and everytime it looks like something good might happen to her, she gets destroyed again and again over and over again. She and Ekko are two who deserved the happy ending most of all the characters in the show and i am glad she kinda have it. Saying she was "dumb" in that moment is incredibly unempathic and stupid, people dont think rationally or clear when they go through trauma and emotional whiplash and Vi was going through extreme trauma and emotional whiplash non-stop since the show started pretty much. So expecting her to "be smart and clear" and go against her nature and let embodiment of her dad to just die is just unrealistic and it would just not fit. But hey its just the thing to say while watching tv show/movie from comfort of a bed/couch while living nice cosy sheltered life.
Fun fact: me and my friend were watching last act together and after ep7 we had to pause and go on discussion how fucked up it would be if ekko came to Vi and told her "Hey i was in alternate universe where you died and life was fucking perfect without you around", how freaking devastating would that be. Poor Vi, i agree that Ekko is the mvp that carried the story, but Vi will forever be the one that endured the most without corrupting her for single second. (and no her drinking and fighting in pits is not corruption, its just venting the frustration and its very justified)
@@ArsonyEXETHANK YOU
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GET IT RIGHT
Ekko correct nickname is "The Boy Who Shattered Time"
I WILL DIE on this hill
How could I forget😭
The boy savior who shattered time
Ekko mourning someone on the same place he and alternate-universe-Powder kissed is also a clever diversion I think. He wasn't mourning Jinx, he was mourning Heimerdinger.
Yeah, cause he was only burning one piece of paper rather than 2, which would be weird if he believed both Jinx and Heimerdinger were dead. Either he knows Yordles can't truly die and is mourning Jinx, or he knows deep down Jinx could have possibly gotten away and is mourning Heimerdinger
@@casuallectures2655 Or maybe they could write more than one name on the same piece of paper since everyone only burned one piece each
@stormSeven Maybe, though we don't see anyone that has explicitly lost more than one person doing the paper thing aside from Ekko. If we, for example, saw someone like Vi, who would at least be mourning Jinx, Vander, Isha, and Loris, we could judge based on if she burns 1 or 4 papers
and I Think Heimer is still alive if they able to pull Arcane S3.. he has more to give to ekko. maybe in S3 they meet again and heimer will explain why he is still alive..and also he is a Yorde. or maybe he is still alive in that alt world. HOPING
I think he's mourining alternate Powder, since they had a thing and he chose to leave her behind to save his own timeline
8:00 It's not last minute at all. It was shown clearly in S1 E9 Mel's golden tattoo glowed when the Jinx's rocket hit, and it is foreshadowed immediately in S2 E1 Mel covering up Jayce protecting him from the blast. They both walked out unscathed.
Yeah, honestly I feel like a lot of criticism I've seen of season 2 just stems from people not being able to read narrative that hasn't been outright overtly stated to them directly. Arcane moves at such a pace (which I think is really only the main criticism to be had of it) that it tells you a lot with showing rather than directly telling you up front and a lot of people don't seem to know how to handle that.
This even goes back to the first season, like, for example the amount of people I've seen who seem to genuinely think Ekko escaped his fight with Jinx with just a twisted ankle because that's what he directly states, but what the show is imo quite clearly showing otherwise is he is injured worse than that and is just trying to downplay it to Heimerdinger.
a small gold glint doesn't justify any of this, it was completely random last minute
@@cherno8336 thank you for proving my point so well there
There were even theories about Mel saving all of them before season 2 came out
There were hints all over, since season 1. People are just not observant lol
I saw this episode 7 more than 10 times, but only now did i see that the alternative Powder also has the blue cloud tattoos that Jinx has. The difference is that the tattoos of the alternative Powder doesn't go all the way through the shoulder and arm. I don't know if it is just the hip or if it goes through her bust as well. nice detail fortiche. This show will make me crazy someday.
if anyone is curious it's 2:53
I loved the fact that "sane" alternate Powder still collected most of the shards of the unstable proto-type hex-crystals. It may take some time, but this alternate timeline probably also has hex-tech and an instable Jinx in its future... It is also telling that Powder did not reveal these shards to Ekko and Heimerdinger even though they worked together on the Z-drive. Heimerdinger, by the way, had more than 3 years to suppress Jayce/Victors research into Hextech, which he failed to do in the main timeline. He also found the coolest way to keep tabs on Ekko and being an inspiring musician to spread joy massively helped to integrate Zhaun and create an almost-Utopia Piltover/Zhaun. The amount of thought put in to a single episode for desparately needed rounding-off of character arcs setting up the finale is truely mind-blowing!
"No matter what happens I just can't seem to die" - Jinx.
That made me cry bro😭
What surprises me is that the writer did confirm he does not mind killing champion characters to highten the emotional impact of the story, and I'm all in for it.
I loved the part when Sevika said "I propose we establish some sort of League made up of the Legends who fought in this war." And the other council member said "…Say that again."
Vi has proven repeatedly that she is incapable of giving up on her family. Staying on the ledge to save Vander is exactly what she has proven she will do. She even admits to Caitlyn earlier that she always chooses family over "the smart choice". Its why shes the emotional heart of S02. And Jinx's sacrifice was her finally not "screwing it up". This was her only way to go out as the "good person" she wanted to be, but never could pull off. If she lived, she'd probably just kill herself. So, dying for a purpose, and allowing Vi to finally move on was the final, beautiful redemption she needed.
I think the impetus for Victors change was not just Jayces attack, but that his commune failed.
He tried to have his evolution with people who were only partly machine, and still had some free will. But when it didn't work he decided that the only solution was to have total control, completely mechanical people.
It's probably a combination of Jayce, once his most trusted friend, betraying him and the possibility of attackers ending his peaceful commune. It's kinda like the AI alignment problem. To accomplish your goal, your best course of action is to eliminate your greatest threat: humanity.
For those who hated the ending, I really don't think you guys would've liked the happy ending for everyone. The "happily ever after" can't give you the same reminiscent of the show like how we are feeling about the ending right now. The writers wanted us to get "frustrated" in the twisted ending, and live in the painful, strong, and long lasting reminiscent, but with the hopeful cliffhangers. Just look at the UA-cam videos coming out, talking about the ending. This is what makes this show so amazing.
I think they also wanted to show the potential of this world, where they could go with it after Arcane ends, so in that context all the crazy sudden sub-plot directions we got makes more sense.
I think people are complaining that it was rushed, not that it was bittersweet.
nobody asked for the happily ever after
@@Arander92 I think people just like to think how easy to pull good quality on animation. Arcane probably is the hardest animation to pull off with all those fantastic quality and all the details. They need to take a count of budget constraint and also hours to just deliver 9 episode with all those qualities are already fucking amazing. Even it felt rush, it still hold and deliver good narrative through the end unlike Game of Throne Last season.
I still feel like the Piltover Zaun conflict with Jinx, Vi, and Warwick doesn't work with the Arcane escalation (Victor and Jayce). Maybe that's just me, but they completely lost me when those I, Robot things started to swarm the city.
As long as JINX is alive… then I’m happy.
7:30 He does say to jayce ''I'd prefer to do this peacefully, but the noxian has other intentions''. I think when he sent that first robot to talk he had a hope of avoiding the war. He became willing to do it by those means, but I don't think he did a full 180 and completely lost faith.
which is also why they hadnt used warwicks blood until after jayce shows that hes in full fight mode
Personally I was okay with the ending not featuring Jinx and Vi as heavily. They already had their major character arcs in the season 1 finale and throughout act 2. Vi and Jinx are protagonists but not the only protagonists after all. Thereby leaving Viktor and Jayce left to finish their story arcs and dedicating a season finale to them felt fine to me.
yeah i was confused by the amount of people complaining about the focus jayce and viktor got… as if they weren’t set up as the other relationship that was core to the story. s1 wasn’t just about vi and jinx’s relationship, it was theirs too - however you interpret their relationship it was very clearly established as a pillar of the story. literally as they start to grow apart it triggers war. arcane has a lot of that, the dissolution of relationships causing tragedy. vander and silco, mel and ambessa, vi and jinx, jayce and viktor, vi and caitlyn, hell even heimerdinger and singed. the finale ending with jayce and viktor’s reunion being what saves everything makes so much sense on a narrative level and i found it quite satisfying (even if jayce’s path to get there was… convoluted and frustratingly underexplained. SOME criticisms of the finale are justified, after all.)
@umbreonic766 Yeah I agree, parts of the ending to Jayces and Viktors arc are messy. Jayce’s ultimatum to Viktor about how “imperfections make us who we are” really felt like it came out of nowhere. Jayce never really experienced anything to come to such a conclusion, it would make more sense if for someone who went on heimerdinger’s journey. But still even if a bit messy Jayce and Viktor deserved a major finale.
@@molamola9723 his point about imperfections comes from a) his love for Vik (however you want to see it, friends or not), and because we all can undestand in the ending that Vik loathed himself for these imperfections and pushed his own change so much because of it, so that's why Jayce counterpoints it imo. b) from the narrative of Vik's cult that people should be their perfect selfes.
@@Alena-cz7hj I know where his point comes from but the show doesn’t show him reaching that point naturally through a character arc. His only revelation in s2 is that the arcane must be stopped and that’s it, nowhere does he learn the lesson that imperfections make us who we are it’s very out of nowhere. One moment he goes from killing Viktor, wanting to kill Viktor again, and then suddenly he’s appealing to Viktor with this argument.
@@molamola9723 he is appealing to him, because it's implied he had a longer convo with Mage!Viktor (how I see it), and because he promised to Mage!Vik that he will safe main reality Viktor
So jinx really did break the cycle
And as a hero 😂 like a badass she is
2:43 Not sure if anyone else has pointed this out but they probably made up in the other reality because of the note that was in episode 5.
Also, on a unrelated note, the ending with Jinx's "death" mirrors what happened in season 1 with Vi and Jinx. In S1, Jinx thought Vi was dead, since nobody has seen her since the explosion, but Vi is instead going away and spending time behind bars. Now in S2 we have Vi thinking Jinx is dead after a huge explosion (Which, I'm now realising as I'm typing this, Vander was technically there for both explosions) and Jinx is going away. Sure she's not going away to do time but she's going away nonetheless.
In episode 8, when Cait finds Vi in the jail cell, Vi is mad at herself for again making bad choices. "I choose wrong every time, and because of it I've lost everyone." I feel this was a foreshadow to her once again making a bad decision on the ledge and losing Jinx.
Girl can't help herself.
Hearing Jinx say “there are no good versions of me” after watching the alternate reality episode KILLED ME
Jinx “walked away” as Silco said. The ending is way more sadder when you remember Jinx has been trying to stop Vi from hurting Warwick because he’s Vander. In the end she puts him out of his misery with her grenade, hugging him and remembering him. It’s super touching, plus the fact that she survives makes it not as depressing 😂
Season two tried to push two seasons worth of plot into one. It worked, barely, because the writers are smart. But the whole plot moving of a conflict between cities to a rogue Jesus so quickly makes people get lost in the plot.
With a third season, it would have worked perfectly.
I'm biased cause i still love this s2 but i think they just needed like 10 more minutes in episode 8 and 9. After Acts 1 and 2 being so Zaun focused it feels kind of forgotten for the final act. They couldve fixed this by showing the full scene of Ekko convincing jinx to live and the undercity's, specifically Sevika's, reaction to Jinx's call to help Piltover. A longer and more fleshed out epilogue also would have been nice.
I agree. Another season (with another 7 hours or so) would have ruined the shows quick pacing while also making it more obvious that the show is just repetitions of itself.
12:32 there are so many moments in arcane where victor is comparred to mel, they have the same shots of their hand, the same expression, the same placement of moles, they are both Jayces partners. Saying that he had Mel at home really misses a lot of stuff that was said. Mel and Jayce didn't really love eachother, they loved the idea they had of eachother. Jayce staying was an act of love (doesn't have to a romantic one, could be platonic but still love)
Silco's advice to Jinx to me is the ultimate evidence sealing the fact that she definitely faked her death, breaking the cycle to disappear quietly. Leaving people to forget abt her as Zaun's symbol.
I was wondering how the ending would go for her as well, since by the end of Arc 2 she was clearly not fitting her name any longer (fixing instead of wrecking/new maturity), showing signs that it was time to "get rid" of the story behind it, while it being impossible since she was still leading the revolt. Me and my friend jokingly thought she needed a 3rd name fitting ber growth and new identity but I guess letting people forget abt her works just as well. I hope she gets to live a full life now.
Arcane is an amazing show, season 1 was perfect and season 2 was great but flawed. Criticism dosent not mean a show isn’t good, we all feel the pacing issues that bleed into the stories but we can also all tell how much love, care and passion went into making this masterpiece of a show. Still a 10/10 in my books.
Agreed. I also think the show runners and writers were pretty exhausted finishing this. Putting something out like this that will likely be remembered as one of the best animated shows of all time has to absolutely max out everyone involved. They still stuck the landing. I wanted and extended 2nd season with 2 additional acts. I think that would have given this story a little more room to breathe without dragging imo.
Mel being magical was foreshadowed since the S1 finale
I'd go as far as saying her cunning and tactical mindset were because of her (passive) abilities. So they hinted at things from the start.
A friend of mine theorized that in the alternate timeline, Silco actually got Vander's letter.
Also, Vi never got to say goodbye to Vander. ANY OF THE THREE TIMES HE DIED. So give her some fucking slack.
Also she never gave herself the time to fully grieve him bc she had to keep going to survive, which is why she has a break down mid season (the drinking the fighting the dyed hair the rejection of color, she's grieving but doesn't know how to cope and isn't trying to work through her grief in a meaningful actually healing way. instead she's getting self destructive like her sister)
I'd even argue that she hasn't properly grieved the death of her parents so ofc she'd have no semblance of self preservation bc her go to has been trying to safe them and if that doesn't work cry for a minute and then get on with life bc she has someone to protect (powder, jinx and the undercity itself, she blames herself for ALL the deaths of her loved ones including those where she couldn't do jack shit about (or more like especially those) and so she thinks she has to try to finish what Vander started, in her own way) and thus she can't allow herself to be out of commission.
mid season she finally allows herself to do this thing she should've been able to do for a long time but by then all she knows is fighting to survive so she does that, fighting herself to. survive. her role as protector gives her a sense of self and she has lost that with cait leaving her (bc she also protected cait evidently.) so basically she's lost herself and she doesn't cope well. sorry for the rambling 😅
I wasn't mad when I saw Vi not wanting to give up on Vander because I think it fits her it's not stupidity.
Even if Jinx recognize it, Vi, as a Character has never been able to give up on anyone. Even when she says at the beginning of Season 2 that her sister is beyond saving it only took a small hint of hope to make her try to reconnect with her again.
She is unable to give up and after being freed from Viktor, it's reasonable to think Vander could still be in there.
If i were echo, id be like fuck my timeline, in staying here!
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I've been searching for someone saying this! and I couldn't agree more
@@Navucal You do realize that would mean dooming the other version of Ekko to oblivion, right? Doesn't sound like a choice Ekko would ever make
@benlewis5312 Oh well, good thing I'm ekko in this situation
Ekko ,fortunately or unfortunately, is too logical, he knows this world isn't his and the people aren't the same, that's why he said "people need me". too wishful thinking you should stay there, you are essentially an imposter a different person taking the place of another.
14:07 grief can’t be perfect
Ekkooo... Thats y he da MVP, thats y he da goat! Da GOOOAAAAATT!!! Let everyone acknowledge that Ekko RESISTED Victor's mind meld with straight up WILLPOWER to make that last move.
He gave up true love, a paradise, lost his mentor/ Heimerdinger on the process just to save the whole world. 🎉🎉🙌🙌💯😭
Only those with the strongest wills can do the hardest things.
“Why does everyone have to suffer because of Jayce?” is so funny and real, because that’s his character for the entire series 😂 7:42
There is another proof of Jinx survival. When she detonated the bomb right before ekko arrived we can see the eyes of the monkey bomb blowing up (with no ekko she would have died) BUT THE BOMB CAIT has in her hand still has the eyes. They dont do thing randomly, they never did.
I feel Jinx actually did have a strong motivation for sacrificing herself. After the deaths of their families, Jinx’s internalized burden of guilt is centered on her feeling responsible for the deaths of everyone closest to her and Vi’s internalized burden of guilt is centered on her past failure to protect the people she’s loved. Jinx’s final sacrifice simultaneously prevented herself from “Jinxing” Vi’s death and removed Vi’s burden of having to put Jinx’s life before her own.
with regards to jinx at the end, the thing that gets to me the most is what she says to Vi in Episode 8: "There is no good version of me."
when Ekko shows up in her place and keeps stopping her from... yknow. he has the Z-Drive, with some key Jinx-isms that Jinx actually recognizes. Later on, when she says to Vi, "I'm with you, sis, even when we're worlds apart," I think she might be referencing Ekko's experiences in the alternate timeline. It doesn't strike me as unbelievable that Ekko would tell her about it all, and we see when she comes back to Piltover in her balloon, she's got a swagger and moxie that is reminiscent of both her S1 self and Ekko. However, the moxie is subdued, leveled out into a sort of confidence and centered-ness whereas previously when she'd displayed that level of moxie it was laced with mania.
I think in the time between the E9 opening and her showing up to Piltover (because i struggle to believe they got that balloon ready in only a few hours) Ekko is able to re-inspire her to hold onto hope for life and chase something new. Hence why there's the implication of her leaving Zaun and Piltover on the blimp, and why she would zip out of the explosion, and even why she would join the fight to begin with.
So as she's leaving Zaun and Piltover, there's some part of her that's been "saved". Maybe she's not completely recovered from the trauma, but she's started taking those steps.
18:22 this the realest thing I've ever heard
Even though I was a bit bothered myself first time I watched it, the point of the moment when Vi is crying at Warwick is to reinforce that same matter Jinx brought up at prison, that Vi DON'T give up on the people she loves, no matter how far gone they are and to a point that she does put herself in danger every single time. This is also why Jinx faked her death to her, because Vi can never give up on her, and they both need to move forward to break the cycle. Vi needs to stop sacrificing herself to save Jinx, and Jinx needs to figure herself out not as Vi's sister, or Silco's daughter, or Isha's friend, but her own person for herself alone.
16:35 this is actually pretty solid proof that Jinx survived, the pink line completely clashes with the shape of the explosion and it seems intentional
Also Ekko only burns a piece of paper. Jinx let him know she was alive before she dipped. Otherwise he would’ve burned two, one for Jinx and one for Heimer.
@@Cycerio Damn!
And there is the whole segment of cait looking at the airducts with the bomb in her hand, clearly they didn't find the body
@@Cycerio he knew she was alive cuz there was no body found not that she spoke too him
As to why Viktor changed his whole world philosophy after Jayce attempted to kill him - Jayce was the most important person in Viktor's world. There are no indications he ever really had a friend besides Jayce and if someone was going to understand his perspective, surely Jayce would be that person. Now there were definite red flags that Jayce wasn't down with "the new Viktor" (saying Hextech is a curse, splatting Salo) but Viktor expected him to come find the commune so they could talk. Instead Viktor opens his eyes to see madness and bloodlust consume his friend. Well, dang. "If even Jayce can get so emotional he would kill me, everyone else is surely as flawed. There will be some collateral damage initially, but then an end to all violence and conflict as the Glorious Evolution removes all emotion and 'troublesome' individuality. United at last." or something like that.
Yea, Viktor didn't handle that rejection very well.
This Dance part is animated 4 frames per second, a connection to 4 seconds per time rewind using the Z Drive Ekko and Powder co created. Solidifying the "Ever wish if we can stay in this moment" if Ekko used the ZDrive this would be the flashes of memory he would experience/see
i have a tiny headcannon that in the alt timeline, silco got vanders note and it really did change everything (obviously not the four kids doing the heist but like pretty much everything else) and that’s why they’re friends again
also shimmer clearly doesn’t exist and that’s so cool! or maybe it’s just not everywhere because of silco and the doctor guy still made it but only used it for his daughters experiment
@@kaleidokai11 Singed probably still made shimmer, but without a proper deck and funding from a crime boss like Silco, there's no way he would be able to mass-produce like that (and have no real reason to spread it for profit insce that was NEVER his intention)
The way I coped with the ending was listen to the Jinx/Ekko song over and over. 😭
Since there are probably gonna be some spin-off series, there are theories that Jayce and Viktor were sent to another dimension, so I’d like to see how that plays out!
maybe different world and still play tag team / new members fighting in a different city and characters.. :D
Big Essay Incoming About Jinx's Possible Future!
I think jinx has three main possibilities for where she goes. i don't think she'll be THE main focus but a present character in the series. A familiar element in a new part of valoran. the three main regions i think will be for the next season if jinx will be involved are Demacia, Ionia, or Noxus.
1. Demacia - i could see this being a story for a poster character in lux as the main focus. maybe her life helps explain the rune wars and what was left after. This would give a chance for jinx to see how this region recovered with war like Piltover and Zaun is going through rn. would also give jinx chances for friend. and the fandom would get lightcannon although i think she would be a better friend than love interest. we could also see her interact more with those of a place so lawful and focused on justice.
2. Ionia - i personally like this one because it would make the most sense for jinx as a choice since she can find inner peace. i also think the main focus could be alot of characters and they meet jinx in passing. this would be a good way to show her journey in "healing" so when Zaun and Piltover are a main focus again jinx could maybe return. i also think ionia would be good to showcase more about wild runes then the other two but im sure they could pull it off anywhere. im also just a sucker for the champs in this region. (Sett and Rakan/Xayah)
3. Noxus - ok this may be a crazy shot in the dark but i wanted to make a huge theory in this region. we saw the swain crow so he would be a focus in this region. i feel jinx could continue down a sad path by replacing singed in this region's lore. what i mean by this is that in LoL, Singed helps make ChemTech weapons there for the invasion into Ionia. Singed has his daughter so will be less inclined to help based on arcane motivations as his daughter is everything. So, in the new series it could be that swain has been watching jinx this whole time with the crows and knows of her talents, so he snags her to force her to create these weapons. she becomes a big reveal of being "the crazy scientist that builds" for Noxus. This could stretch to other characters that want to go against swain want to take out the builder of these weapons. Mel could even be a part of this force, and we share Mel's reaction to this reveal. And since Mel was from Piltover she could send word of this discovery for a glimpse of Vi and the crew.
Another hope i have is that since Ekko was mourning at night with only one paper (Heimerdinger), he knows and joined her in the morning in the blimp. But Ekko does have more to do in Zaun so I don't think its super possible.
When you explained how Jinx didn't die my mind was *BLOWN!*
bro popped off with this analysis 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Bro I just wanted Ekko to be happy. Arcane is perfect cus some people just dont get to be happy and in my opinion it what makes it feel real . And in the end i just wanted ekko in this realty to be happy in the end.
So, worth noting but Heimer's sacrifice? It wasn't. Yordles can't die, they just reappear in bandle city. They're the runeterra version of the fey. (Which does mean zeech is back there too, though I have to wonder if he reappeared back there with nothing but stumps for limbs since he went with prosthetics. ) Its why Vex is the way she is.
Likewise, Warwick is likely not dead either. Vander? Yeah, he's been wiped. But warwick's mutation won't let him die. That was the entire point. What likely happens is the beast regenerates, now the full wolf character we know since what was left of vander was burned out of him by signed.
Jayce and Viktor? Also not dead. They're tapping the same magic that bard, soraka and aurelion sol use. They're 'gone' but not dead and likely to return eventually.
There's only two league 'champs' that are 'dead' (one only sorta). The confirmed dead is ambessa. She's gone. We see the body, she's not coming back. The other? Blitzcrank. He was viktor's invention originally (though jayce stole credit and that's what caused the split, but that's old lore). Seriously though, I suspect they're going to make Blitz a creation of Ekko's now. His personality matches ekko's better and they've shared cinematics together so they do know each other at least.
Ambessa's death was actually kinda hinted at anyway, since her trailer is literally all about her relationship to the wolf (ya know, wolf and lamb? AKA Kindred, AKA Death).
My biggest disappointment here was that they had a chance to feature more champs without really bogging things down, just by having them show up for the fight with the rest. Mundo, twitch, zeri, etc. Just to acknowledge their existence. However, the writers did already explain it was a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation since people would be pissed if they didn't get a bit of limelight too, so they just left them out.
about "jinx death", i dont think she is dead, because if she was dead, then they would have found her dead body but all we get is pieces of the grenade and a map where she could have flet. So i am quite sure she survived and based on arcanes build up stories, the airship scene would make so much more sense.
I hope the first scene we get in the next series is her riding the ship into the new arc
Corin, the scene you said you might be insensitive about, if you look deeper into it, it would be less funny
1-When Ekko said Pow- and stopped he realized he f'ed up. As Powder for Jinx is an insult, powder is gone. So she went for it. You can see she sighed.
2-When Ekko said stop a friend from blowing US up, Jinx jumped off to only do it to her self and herself only.
3-Jinx used the monkey grenade and not chompers, she hasnt used it ever since Vander died because it took vander's life. So she brought the monkey nade back to end herself with what ended Vander, and the monkey nade version here was a sad, sick of life one with the graffiti, not the crazy looking one.
4-When it finally worked out, it was because Jinx noticed the monkeys in Ekko's Z-drive, when he was trying to tell her it's not too late. 4 attempts of saving her for the 4 second savior boy.
Nobody understimates Jinx's intellect. But yes, Echo deserves better.
the reason vander and silco are friends in the alternate world is cause of the letter. In that world Silco read it and learned to forgive
I think you missed something in your initial reaction. Yes Vi could have just walked away, but as usual, she was too emotional, and Jinx was hurt as a consequence. I thought this nicely mirrored the scene from S1A1 when she struck her. Again Vi lets her emotions control her, and Powder/Jinx pays the price. I liked it
Omgg i agree so much about being pissed at the ending. Like when i first watched it i was so upset and mad at Vi (as a big Vi fan) but after i went to sleep and like rewatched act 3 I realized how depressing this moment is.
Uhh episode 7 powder said that her sister was drived by the fear of losing those she cared about. Which we can see is true about this Vi too. In that moment she probably realized that she couldn't save him, save apart of her family. She was staring right at her biggest fear and we see for the first time her actually bring controlled by it completely. She's paralyzed in that moment, just like anyone would be. Like yeah it was completely idiotic to just stand there but in that moment she couldn't move.
I think if Warwick didn't wake up or if the ledge they were on want breaking she would've woken up and moved but that's not a story the writers wanted us to have and not the ending Vi needed to deal with her problems
Unfortunately the only way Vi could move is if they're was nothing/ no one in her past that she could latch onto
Oh but jinx realizing all this and walking away so that Vi can finally walk away too is chefs kiss
Man… at first I didn’t really get ship between jinx and ekko, but after ep 7 I understood. Bro the fact that Jinx was healing and getting better because of Isha, and Ekko didn’t get to see it brakes my heart. They took “in another life” too seriously.
jinx suffered more than enough through the story she deserved a happier ending.
I'm really hoping that Jinx didn't die, and i don't recommend playing League of Legends if you like Arcana, and thanks for giving me hope about Jinx.😊😊
She didn’t there’s hints of it at the end
Nah bruh
The Mel being a mage was hinted in season 1 finale when she sensed the rocket with weird spidey sense.
One thing we can all agree on whether we loved the ending or not is that Ekko was the MVP. It's kind of funny though how he saved Jinx by basically save scumming and finally choosing the right RPG dialogue choice while talking to her
ye i really wished they have something different for VI on the ledge screen. Maybe her leg broke and she couldnt move, or warwick grabbed her before she can make it to another platform. This wouldve made jinx sacrifice mean a bit more.
I truly believe jinx n vi will return. Cait isnt investigating this 4 nothing. Nor is she going to go to vi n give her false hope her sister is alive.
I think we get a spin off where we follow new set of characters in a new location n at the end of season 1. Cait walks and says shes looking for someone and shows us a picture of jinx. Then the fans go insane.
Season 2 is cait n vi reuniting with jinx
My question is was cait investigating this cause she wants a reason to believe jinx is alive or because she had concrete evidence that made her think she's alive
Agreed I think they will definitely make cameos or be used to set up future shows and thanks for the donation🙏🏽
@@mrbushido56She has part of the grenade in here hand in that scene, so they must have investigated after the explosion and never found Jinx’s body
@@BOBINGTON102I mean I would argue she was blown to dust n there was nothing left
Honestly, it sounds like the simpler possibility is just Jinx venturing through Noxus trying to find herself or something. Maybe Ekko shows up too, I dunno, but Caitlyn and Vi certainly won’t be involved. The most you can hope for is that she goes back to Piltover-Zaun at the end and then the next season focuses on whatever characters she meets in Noxus, closing the page on the Arcane story arc for good
The music was absolutely masterful as well, every single little bit just induces so much emotion and immersion. I can't listen to any of the songs from season 2 without getting emotional again.
Viktor is a conscientious psychopath. When he rejects Singed, he doesn't care about Vander's humanity, he wants to one-up the brilliant Alchemist. When he purges his mental projection of Sky, he tells her, that he'll miss their talks, but his subconscious isn't buying it. He conceptualizes a good person as someone who cares about people, but at the same time he knows full well that he just really, _really_ doesn't care about people at all. They bore him. Viktor cares about things, concepts, problems, but not people, his entire existence centered around tracking down and solving the world's most difficult Rubik's cube. So he must climb up the abstraction ladder and rationalize his completely ruthless, bloody pursuit as philanthropic.
What you say is quite interesting but I don't think your theory holds up. Hasn't Viktor demonstrated numerous times that he's neurocognitively normal? Think about his reaction to Sky being disintegrated by the Hexcore. Would a psychopath be capable of such a high degree of guilt, to the point where he tries to commit suicide? And that's merely one example.
He also literally refuses the proposition that Singed proposes to him with Vander because of the fact that Vander 'is a man, and not a beast'. Pretty sure he cares about his humanity. He was even willing to compromise his own safety to save Vander. Remember Sky warning him that saving Vander was a risk, and Viktor replied that he was worth it?
@18:16 Faked her death makes it sound premeditated and I doubt she planned to have NotWolverine attack. It looks more like she just decided she didn't want to die. The only way it makes sense is if we say the writers faked her death, not she.
Exactly! People act as if she planned it all along, but it was more of a spontaneous decision. Perhaps after the escape, she considered walking away, but the writers chose to make her death deliberately ambiguous, and we'll never get to know her POV in all this.
@Vicky-ke4es Yeah, I would have prefered they ended the prison cell scene right when Caitlyn's shirt hit the floor then fade to black and move on and tack that extra time onto the end and give us a less ambiguous ending for Jinx; like right after Vi gives the dirt under your fingernails line Jinx could burst in saying "Here I am, your big fat hero" or something better written then that and a lot less ambiguous than a single frame of a pink streak on the screen. That would have been a lot more satisfying.
vi is so incredibly traumatized, she has endured way too much for one person (esp. as a child) and her trauma has always been heavily overlooked. it was a breakdown, not a „loss of braincells“…
Thank you for making this review! I was baffled when I saw how negatively the ending was recieved. I too felt disapointed at first but man, it is so much better like this
On the note of Victor, and how he ends up losing his humanity, ends up being the main big bad of Act 3 and just why he does what he does. I think a lot of people overlook what Jayce says in the council room to Viktor that "My partner died in this room". That's true if you think about that Jayce's biggest mistake is trying to save Victor. If you look back at Season 1 there is a huge arc with Victor coming to terms that he is dying and in trying to save himself he literally obliterates his assistant and love interest Skye. After that he makes Jayce promise to destroy the Hexcore which, JAYCE DOESN'T DO! This leads into Jayce fusing Viktor with the core in Season 2 and the result is that trying to save Viktor he ultimately loses him.
Now more on how Viktor is lost after that fusing I think you have to look a lot more of the theming of the show. All the PURPLE coloring that is shown around Viktor and the corruption on the Hexcore, the Firelight tree, and ALSO the plant that Singed derives shimmer from is part of the arcane called The Void. Long story short, The Void is a part of the Arcane that got woken up from its nap when the universe of Runeterra and life was created and is generally just pissed off and its only goal is to get rid of all sentient life so it can go back to sleep. I think when Viktor initially comes out of his cocoon he obviously still retains a portion of his humanity and still wants to help people but he is being essentially used as a puppet himself by The Void.
A lot of people have discussed whether the Skye that we see in Viktor's realm is actually Skye or just a part of Viktor's self conscience I think is actually neither, Skye is actually just figure that The Void is using to guide Viktor. Theory on why this is, at the end of episode two when Viktor tells Singed to do the procedure Viktor says to the figure of Skye, "Thank you very much for your company in my SOLITUDE. I will miss our talks". The figure of Skye responds saying as her voice changes and she dissolves in PURPLE "No, you won't". What do we draw from this, Viktor is not actually with Skye in his consciousness, or with any of the others that he has evolved, he is alone with The Void. Then as Viktor undergoes the blood trasfusion procedure, his eyes burn PURPLE and his new mask forms over his face. The humanity of Viktor is now completely trapped and he himself is a puppet of The Void. At least that is my take on what I see in the details of the show.
11:11 the piece of animation when all the firelights disburse from the airship was *chef's kiss
When your best friend/ your homie/ your bro just macks you without even allowing to have a proper sit down chat. That can really BREAK a person towards evil.
Thank you for the great analysis!! I loved this show and I needed someone to really part down the last episode and you did an excellent job!!! Keep doing what you’re doing! Liked and subscribed :)
Best animation ever!!! 💯
Jayce was speed running his Dark Souls/Elden Ring Arc.
Also can bro go one episode without killing or getting a kid killed?
I am going to need another season of Echo in alternate universe Zonn. Him and grown up Powder were giving me life. I am not going to Lie I loved Ambessa She was so awesome, and the levels of 7d chess she was playing was catching me every time. I Love that her two daughter figures kinda gave it to her in the end. Mel finally getting her mother's Respect as well as her love was awesome. Kate proving she took Ambessa's lessons to heart by sacrificing her eye to give Mel the shot! it was just everything. I like that Savvica got a seat at the table that made me happy. The ending made me mad too. I thought Jinx died, and that was some dumb ish after She was going to commit suicide and Echo talked her down. Why couldn't they ride off into the sunset together??! Still over all it was good, just should have been more of AU Zonn and Timebomb.
the Viktor stuff, I think it's not just Jayce but also the Noxians, war is his true enemy, also we have to understand that after he's fully go for the glorious evolution, he just choose the most efficient way to get to the hexgate , his main objective then... it was way too fast and unrelatable because it was, he's a super computer now.
Ekko was fr mad save-scumming that Persuasion check on Jinx like _damn_
It was a high DC
I've seen a number of takes on the Jayce & Viktor dynamic and them dying together. I like the sentiment that they were destined to meet each other and were soulmates (whether you interpret that in a platonic or romantic way is up to you). Note that Viktor could've gone and stopped himself from entangling with Jayce, but instead he chose the path of providing Jayce different runes to ultimately lead him to meet Viktor. Viktor wanted to still have timelines where he and Jayce got close and worked on Hextech together.
The only storyline i want to see more of is Mel. Gimme a graphic novel of her going back to Noxas and getting her get back. Who's her father? Is he a mage? Need the deets!
3:00 "and after what happens in t end of ep 6 all I wanted t see was a happy Jinx"...
Curious... how I didn't feel this way ... Because first of all I wanted Isha to have survived and I refused to accept it until the last second...
But after it became obvious... All I wanted was to mourn the loss with our baby blue... And as much as I LOVE ep 7 (lord that's heaven 2), I am grateful to have been one of the few people in the world who were lucky enough to watch ep 8 BEFORE ep 7. (a confusion that occurred for which I am eternally grateful)...
Starting the show with episode 8 has already brought out several answers... Then we allowed time to accept the loss of Isha and bring us an even greater connection through Jinx... Because we are also depressed, but she...she's above that, also isolated. (Yep, that hurts us even more like this)... And then we completely understand what she is planning when she leaves there. ( It's also worth mentioning that the doubt about Jayce remains since Ep 8 doesn't reveal what he knows)...
So here comes ep 7... A break in the rhythm... heaven and hell... And everything we didn't even know we wanted was given to us.
If at the beginning of the season you think you wanted to see Jinx happy, in this sequence, after noticing the rope around her neck, you no longer have any hope for something good... And they.. they give it back to you... Not just to Ekko... But to you too... It's brilliant
And how does ep 9 start? Back to the end... But with Ekko doing the divine work and HOLY SHIT THIS IS AHHHHHH
Sorry... but can we say how heavy this topic is and how offensive the impeccable quality with which the series approached the subject is, in a light and even somewhat comical way, making it seem like something easy?
Dude...
Anyway... ep 8 and then 7 with 9 ending will always be the right order for me.
Seriously, here's my invitation for you to try this too, friend.
See for yourself... And if you do, when you do, try to imagine what someone who saw it in that order for the first time felt.
9:53 OMG YES !!
But it was done masterfully. Not in a way that disrespects the topic, but to lighten it... Dude, this is brilliant.
Going to agree and disagree with you on Vi I. The last scene with Jinx. Her decision is stupid and she should have listened to Jinx. But first off I think we can all agree intense emotions don’t make it easy for people to think rationally. If intense emotions are difficult then extreme trauma is damn near impossible. You going to hate on Vi for her trauma that NEVER got a chance to truly heal? She got lock away for years and how many times did Vander’s death and Silco approaching Jinx play in her head? Do you really think the guards gave a damn about her mental state while they were abusing her? And what point in the show did she get therapy? She was dumb but humans in her situation are dumb. Humans are a lot dumber for far more paltry reasons.
She was really hoping for his father to return back, didn't happen, can't blame her.
This season was an emotional rollercoaster, but it was such an amazing season
The open ending was crazy, but the fact that she could escaped that way just makes too much sense to be sad that she couldve died ngl
Thank you for this analysis. I agree this show is the pinnacle of this style of art. I’ve been analyzing cartoons since the mid 1960s and have yet to see its equal.
A close one is the “Love, Death, and Robots” series but this one has consistency which the other lacks.
Let’s hope the creative crew don’t follow the same path as Star Wars and the MCU. Both blew away the world when they showed us what could be done, then lost their heart.
Singed better starts running for destroying my fav sister/family duo with Jinx/Vi cause i’m so tired seeing him get his own happy ending 😾
I loved s2 up till act 3. All the time/dimension stuff realy just felt like they were trying to either use it as a way to incorporate skin line worlds into canon story or they just wanted a marvels endgame plot line because it's cool. Ultimately I feel either act 3 will get retconed in a future season somehow because of all the stuff with Victor being so out of left field and making no sense to league canon.