Some of y'all are Farming the WRONG God Roll Mountaintop
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
- There's a good chance you MIGHT be farming the wrong God Roll Mountaintop Grenade Launcher. Today, a quick recap on what perks you do and don't want on your Mountaintop - including why Spike Grenades may actually be making your Mountaintop WORSE
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I dont see this so much as "oh implosion is the way to go now." I see it more as just now we have 2 acceptable mag choices to make farming easier.
Yeah, doesn't feel punishing for me to use High Velocity Rounds. The free reload speed + velocity provides so much quality of life that I don't even spare a thought on the tiny bit of lost damage.
Nah, it's the way to go because then you can trigger the gatekeepers who claim a roll without Spike Grenades is trash.
I mean its only like a 0.04% difference between spike and implosion
@@The_Genithat's the multiplier. total dmg can change from anywhere between 50 dmg and 10,000 dmg.
@@Ex0dus24 in order for it to be 10,000 dmg you need to hit 200 shots.. also isn't the damage difference 28 or something, so without recombination its so much worse than 200. This is nothing to stress about at all get either roll on a mtp and be happy instead of grinding for 50 more damage. hard launch + spike granades OR implostion rounds.
To clarify something: Recombination is ANY ELEMENTAL FINAL BLOW, so Energy, Heavy, Supers (not including bubble or well), grenades and Charged melees will contribute to stacks
So do strand/stasis ability blows count for it, as they are generally in the kinetic slot and not the energy slot?
@@thecyanpanda241Anything non-kinetic
@@thecyanpanda241it is elemental so yes i’d assume
Yes. All subclass abilities and weapon types. Even those weapons with osmosis should count.
@@user-cf4bg7he7y well osmosis is only found on kinetics iirc but good info
My surprise goat perk has been impulse amp, because I never knew it had the bonus reload speed
Yeah if you want to use it like a primary weapon and less like the "shoot once then put it away" gun everyone is using it as, impulse amp is easily the best perk in that column imo
@@udontknowme00I think it’s a lot more fun to use impulse amp with frenzy. I just spam the shit out of it and then swap to sunshot when I run out of ammo lol
@@caseyl5001 Yeah everyone seems to be hard focused on using mountaintop as a dps weapon forgetting that 90% of time spent in this game isn't dps. Impulse amplifier frenzy all day for me.
Rather than the reload speed, an scalar modification is better, a plain 100 reload without any scalar is basically worse than a 90 with a .85 scalar reduction, specially in breach gls where reload seems capped no matter how much reload you have.
FOR REAL everyone is running recomb alh. But i run imp amp and one for all or varpel. Is so much better for me xD
They even added a note on DIM telling us this when you hover over spike grenades. Roughly "a lower blast radius stat will provide slightly higher overall damage."
Attuning is so scuffed in this activity, I've gotten shinies for every weapon other than my attuned weapon.
Yeah that always seem to be the case for me too
Bad luck, I’ve gotten shinies for every weapon I’ve attuned
Yep, got a god roll shiny midnight coup, when I'm still attuning mountaintop. Both the best and worst luck in that one moment
It’s just RNG attuning isn’t a 100% chance
Deactivate attuning on the ones you DON'T want so RNG will lean towards what you do have attuned. I don't think it's a huge difference but noticeable.
I pulled a Hard Launch, Implosion Rounds, ALH + Recombination so this is nice.
Jealous of the ALH. I got Impulse Amp on mine, which is still nice but I want it to reload itself, lol. at least it's shiny and also has Vorpal, so I can use Impulse/Vorpal for single targets with Anarchy, or Dragons Breath etc.
I got the same roll but with blast radius as masterwork and masterworked it before knowing about this...
Same, just wish it was a shiny
Same, only thing holding it back from being perfect is velocity mw instead of handling.
Even has spike grenades if bungie makes changes.
@@hhastedon't forget when we can enhance the perks on these your impulse will increase reload speed. I know it's not autoloader (I'm the same way) but atleast it's something that helps
I’ve gotten a few. Auto Load/Recombination. Demo/Frenzy. But my favorite by far is Demo/Adrenaline on a Void Devour build with weakening scatter nade. Absolute GOAT.
i really like how it has so many rolls with different playstyles. for example i really like auto loading recom because it reminds me of my love heritage.
now try it on a solar sunbracers build
I've been loving demo frenzy, been using it like a primary on my nade builds. Gives like a third of my nade back on a kill and hits hard.
@@ferowaw Understanding context is hard, huh?
I’m talking about the rolls that I got that I enjoy. Absolute burger.
@@Nat_Peterson my comment was meant to be responding to another comment, yotube bugged
I appreciate the Impulse Amplifier shoutout. I've been using an Impulse Amplifier & Frenzy roll (
since this week had the Overchagred GL modifer, and it rips up yellow bar and mini bosses so well that I can almost carry my matchmade teammates (if I'm running a solid build).
I got a shiny with hard launch, implosion rounds, autoloading, recombination with a reload master work,, absolutley love it.
I actually got the ambitous asassain + recombination roll on my shiny and its really fun. You get both worlds of either using the weapon as a primary or backpacking the overflowed magazine and double tapping with recombination for higher damage.
FYI for this example god roll: recomb, auto, spike, hard launch, not blast radius masterwork statistically you would need to get approx 300 mountaintops to have a 50/50 chance of getting the roll. That assumes the drop chance of each individual perk is random with no weighting for or against certain perks. So for most it’s probably not worth trying to get such rolls. Better to try for 2 or 3 perks instead.
Ya and that’s spike or implosion. It’s about a 0.2% drop rate.
OK, this actually was quite helpful to know. I've only gotten 2 Mountain Tops and the only non-curated roll I got has Hard and Spike. Thanks!
Been loving recombination so much, I've been considering bringing out parasite for even more burst damage lol
Oh, good idea..
Do it
Parasite is the low-key meta for onslaught, crazy for add clear and burst damage with a very god ammo economy, I basically use it as a special.
Just have a linear/whisper to swap to if the tormentor appears.
Ps: I started using at the end of the 1st week before the overcharged GL modifier, it's great even without it, Mtop on the other hand will fall HARD after the reset.
I got an autoload adrenaline junkie MT as my first drop and it actually goes REALLY HARD with a grenade heavy build like a sunbracer warlock. It actually surprised me at how good it was.
Same man. It’s quality
Auto loading recombination is really fun.
Thats what im trying to get
@@slashthe2nd good luck!
I have one with a reload masterwork, which is not helpful.
@@splatjack666 damn😭🤣
why are we sleeping on Vorpal?
I’ve been using an “auto loading holster” build in Onslaught. Mountain top/gnawing hunger/hullabaloo. Slaps pretty decent. Once you get in a combat groove you can continuously fire without having to reload at all.
Considering that I been farming this weapon for 4 days straight and could get a single auto loading and recombination roll, I just settled with a impulse amplifier and recombination roll and never look at my barrel and mag perks (even tho this have both spike and sticky).
What I'm trying to get at is, I ain't going back and you can't make me, don't send me back.
If you lucky, it will drop from farming for the other weapons
Just attune it and casually farm 50 wave legends in under an hour with ceno and Orpheus. I agree though it’s about a 0.2% of getting this roll on a regular version 🥲 I was so relieved when I got mine
I have been loving my impulse amp + recombination roll, shoot a dragons breath at the boss and let it give a free 20-50% buff to every follow up shot from mt if there are enough adds around. The reload speed boost from impulse basically guarantees you have max reload speed and fire off quick follow up shots on anything that survives the first hit, then you can reload cancel it when stowing so its ready for when you need it next
So my 2nd MT was the literal God roll and I've been grinding for spike, auto reload and recomb this whole time with no luck. This video saved me a ton of time
Same here! Thanks Fallout!
Hell yeah for the MossyMax shoutout (and continued amazing video content)!!
I got a shiny one with vorpal, autoload, both spike and implosion, hard launch and handling masterwork. It feels pretty nice :D
I'd love ur take on Edge Transit.
I'm loving it and would lobmve the same kinda breakdown for different rolls
Really feels bad when higher stats hurt you.
Spaghetti code at its finest 👌
Honestly it just feels more logical to me, blast radius never read like a damage increase but rather an AOE increase, so now it's just working more intuitively (That said, it feels like mountaintop shouldn't get worse in this case, as the explosion should still hit the enemy you impact!)
It doesn't hurt you.. it helps for ad clear.. if you want single target dmg, then it makes perfect sense. Blast radius being confined into a small area means more damage to the single target.
yes...
@@antiimperialista5764 Its intentional. When you are spreading the damage over a wider area you are doing less damage to single target
Got an Overflow/Recombination with Spike/Implosion, Handling Masterwork. Just missed on the Barrel (Linear / Volatile). 4/5 ain't bad, and the thing is a beast, just deletes yellow bars.
Make sure to use spike since it doesn’t matter if ur blast radius is 100 you’ll still get a damage buff
Worth noting: when you'll be able to enhance perks on the weapon in the future, you'll have to masterwork the weapon to do so.
Oh, didn't know that.. Good to know, in case anyone gets unlucky with a blast radius MW.. instant shard.
And enhanced weapons gain +2 to the non MWed stats at level 20 just like crafted weapons so there's no running away from that ~2% damage decrease.
@@armageddragoon2514 also true. I wonder if Bungie might do what they did with fusion's charge time masterwork. So, blast radius mw wouldn't detract from DMG.
@@hhastedef not an insta shard for most people the odds of getting a god roll without blast radius is about 0.2% 😂😂
Thank for the info, very appreciated.
the one im using the most is hard launch implosion auto loading vorpal for a triple GL boss damage rotation with wilderflight and edge transit
Spike nades, autoloading, vorpal is my god roll i got the other day and i absolutely love it
Demo frenzy with buried bloodline on strand goes hard as an ability cooldown weapon. Melee energy from the origin trait and ~20-30% grenade energy depending on if you have thread of generation and/or devour.
I have Overflow recombination and it puts in HELLA work
i just got one with cool perks and stuck with it XD
UPD: Checked my roll after the video, turns out it is 4/5 (I got it first try) (Hard launch, implosion, auto-loading and recombination
Damn.
Sounds like you have a lot of fun finding lfg groups
@@EnvisionedBlindness Sounds like you're a lot of fun in lfg groups
@@dooshnukem32and you’re saying you would complain if someone with terrible guns joined ur lfg ?
@@EnvisionedBlindnessI would boot you so mf fast if you said some stupid shit like this.
@@mini_6-50 I'm saying touch grass
I got very lucky with my Top rolls. I can 100% say in faster paced content auto-reload is the way to go. Overflow is subjective but tied me over until I got my auto-reload roll. Ambitious is great in lower tier content but falls of dramatically in higher content. Auto-load will keep your swapping and pumping damage out, so whilst all are viable auto-loading takes the cake for me in general.
I got a shiny MTNT with Hard + Implosion, autoloading and frenzy, but then bungie said: "Wouldn't it be funny to give it a blast radius masterwork"
loooool. Look at the bright side, you can save your cores, since you don't have to MW it.
@@hhasteIt was never gonna be masterworked anyways. It has the one that actively harms its damage.
@@viable3589 the problem is, the shinies come masterworked by default...
@@zekkikun528 Yes I know, but hhaste said "Look at the bright side, you can save your cores, since you don't have to MW it." But it was never gonna be masterworked in the first place, so they wouldn't have spent cores anyways.
@@viable3589 thats fair
I got a Overflow + Recombination roll with Spike/Implosion and Hard Launch/Smart Drift Control and a velocity masterwork
Awesome roll, with enhanced overflow you’ll be able to get 3 in the mag too even better burst!
I got one with Overflow/Vorpal and it does well enough as a service weapon.
Nice roll
5:03 ahhhh can we talk about that auto rifle melting yellow bars like a hot knife through butter?
It's not a Shiny one, but I did get one of these near-god-rolls in my very first attuned run yesterday with Hard Launch, Spike Nades, Auto-loading, and Recombination with a Velocity masterwork. Kinda want at least 1 more like that (or Implosion as an option) so I'll have one ready for multiple classes.
Ok so implosion isn't bad after all. Good to know and for rolls I'm farming really I'm just hoarding them rn. But specifically I'm looking for Overflow and/or auto-loading vorpal or those 2 and recom which I feel is a really great for quickswapping and general use
Mine has Implosion and it's felt great
@hhaste yeah I was conditioned by spike nades but now I'm like "ok so implosion rounds ISNT a bad thing" so if I now get implosion I won't be disappointed.
impulse amplifier with recombination is just amazing probably the best for me
Impulse Amp and Frenzy could be fun, whip it out to just spam a few shots into a tougher target then swap back to the primary (or rocket pistol with Lead from Gold) and get back to it.
I got a 5/5 god roll shiny mountaintop and it's quickly becoming my go to for annihlating chunky orange bar enemies.
I have the exact roll you showed but with reload masterwork and it HITS.
Same, I love this weapon
Well this makes me feel better about my implosion, ambitious, recombination roll. Thought it was worse with not having spike. Missing hard launch, but still pretty close to perfect
What barrels and masterwork did u get? As long as they don’t increase blast radius you’re good
I got a roll with HL, Implosion and Recombition, but the third column has an Ambitious Assassin and I got two of them. XD
I dunno I should be proud or disappointed that the third column is not auto loading holster, seeing it makes me wish Bungle adds a feature I can reload that column, like you can do when you rel-roll anointment in Borderlands 3 (just so I won’t get burned out, but I know most of you would heavily criticize and disagree with me)
My godroll Mountaintop that i use in Onslaught without a doubt is:
Hard Launch
Implosion
Auto-Loading
Recombination
Handling MW
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Autoloading gives me some time to gain some Recombination stacks so by the time it autoloads i have 8-10 stacks every time for those yellow bars
I have Spike/Stick grenades, Demolitionist and Adrenalin Junkie with a Velocity MW…. It’s fantastic at clearing with double Grenades on Titan.
My God Roll
Whatever I need to increase the base damage of the Mountain Top.
Handling Masterwork
For the 3rd and 4th perk Columns
3rd. Lead From Gold/Demolitionist
4th. Recombination/Vorpal
The idea is that upon a damage phase, or some big health target that requires constant damage, I can switch to Demo Vorpal to pair with the many, and I mean many DPS builds that make use of the grenade. I mainly play warlock, so it only exemplifies this.
Auto loading really helps with Recombo, especially on a Sunbracers build, which I am most likely to run within the Legendary Campaign for Final Shape.
My auto-loading + recombination roll that I was so happy about has spike nades and a Blast Radius masterwork that I have already maxed out. the Monkey's Paw curles
Hello. Blast radius increase with spike doesn’t actually hurt your damage! It maxes at 100 and you’re still getting about 8% more damage regardless!
If you had implosion instead of spike then added blast radius reduces ur max damage directly
I got a Mountaintop with reload masterwork with Lead From Gold and One For All and it’s really nice
Best one I got so far is auto vorpal but tbh I been mainly just having fun with it bouncing around 😂
To determine if your roll is good, follow this flowchart:
Hardlauch?
>No
>>Spike?
>>>Yes = 95.75% optimal dmg
>>>No
>>>>Implosion?
>>>>>Yes = 96.30% optimal dmg
>>>>>No = 88.77% optimal gm
>Yes
>>Spike?
>>>Yes = 99.96% optimal dmg
>>>No
>>>>Implosion?
>>>>>Yes = 100% optimal dmg
>>>>>No = 92.47% optimal gm
I got a shiny the day it dropped with impulse and overflow with recombination and frenzy in the fourth. It has hard launch with sticky and high velocity.
Huh, turns out my auto loading+recombination roll was worth holding onto after all. And it's got the choice between implosion rounds and... Sticky Grenades, lol. Might take the sticky recombination combo for a spin.
I have your exact roll with implosion and hard launch… but masterwork reload…😅 it’s a Shiny too! It’s been a beast!
same roll as me but shiny I’m jealous. Farmed way too much for this roll though so I’m happy with it 😂
@@MrMGILLY55my life with the midnight lol
Got the S tier recomb roll, looking for the vorpal one now.
My go to was always full court spike grenades. Until I got salvagers and just started using GLs for ad clear
Over flow with recombination is my go to, shoot the recombination grenade and just save the second one for the stack again so it’s almost a bootleg ALH, plus overflow instantly reloads your gun when running over special so there’s that too.
Nah deleting it if it didn't have auto loading
Cool, now I gotta replace both my auto loading vorpal and my lead recombination rolls to target hard launch.
Pain
No mention of Vorpal, which is the same as Frenzy without the 15 seconds of combat needed. Impulse Amplifier & Vorpal is real nice feeling, paired with something like Anarchy or Dragons Breath. My shiny has Impulse Am/Overflow & Recombination/Vorpal. Nice to switch between them, depending on the heavy I'm using.
Vorpal only works on Minibosses/Champions, Bosses and Vehicles. Frenzy works on all enemy types upon fulfilling it's requirements, as well as giving the weapon +100 reload and +100 handling.
Vorpal is easier to proc, but not as effective against all enemy types. Frenzy is harder to proc, but has greater advantages.
@@user-om5le2vv2hdon’t need vorpal on minors. And if you’re using MT on ads you need to stop and switch to your primary lmao.
Been rolling with Hard Launch, Impulse, Frenzy. Autoloading will be my endgame
I actually obtained an Impulse/Recom roll somewhat early on in my farming; I wasn't aware of the Spike changes (I have come back after a two year hiatus) and checked it just in case. It has Implosion Rounds, but no Hard Launch, as well as a Reload MW. I was keeping it in my back pocket, but given my playstyle and how I typically use it, I think it's going to be my god roll. Will still keep an eye out for a Hard Launch roll, but it's literally 4/5 and I don't know if I can feasibly get any better before I burn out again.
Do proxy grenades on drum grenade launchers only activate if the blast radius is high enough
I wish I'd gotten an auto loading holster, but overflow is pretty good
I got a shiny version with sticky nades, impulse & ambitious, recombination & frenzy with a reload masterwork and I adore it. HOWEVER it has countermass or confined launch as barrels and high velocity as the other 2nd column perk so it's always 100 blast radius 🥲 Still goes super hard though.
Ended up getting Auto Loading and Vorpal. It is fine.
Been using a (non shiny sadly) 5/5 reload mw hard launch implo auto loading recon mt and that thing is a champ deleter. Max stacks of recon do upwards of 80 to 90% of a champ's hp bar just GONE. Delicious having the king back
Same and I’ll never get the same roll shiny :(((
Bleh, just grab your giga rolls and once you're done with those maybe then go for the shinies, you'll get some in the mean time, maybe it drops! Good luck on the mines
Sweet, have been using this roll and it's amazing
Good thing I started today then, God bless!
Got max blast radius, balst radius master work, auto loading, vorpal lol...
FINALLY dont regret getting apex predator... and FINALLY can make use of bait and switch with ease.. autonloading mountain top is perfect for bait and switch heavy weapons
I've gotten the rolls I want already - ALH Recombo for use with bns weapons, and impulse frenzy for general use/use with dragon's breath or anarchy. Still hoping for a shiny.
i managed to pull shiny hard launch / implosion with recombo / overflow and reload masterwork!
I want a recombination auto loading. Just for the ease of use when I pair it with a bait and switch weapon. It will just auto load while I’m doing boss damage with my heavy. And then I can re proc bait and switch. And any time I have to deal with a yellow bar outside of boss dps phase. I can have recombination stacks to chunk it. Even if I’m not at full stacks. I have spike grenade on my envious bait and switch edge transit. And it doesn’t make that noticeable of a difference. Yeah it might help a little. But the most important thing is I can proc bait and switch. And then unload a good 17 shots usually. I have been able to get it up to 19. But more often than not I’m at about 17 shots. Which is not bad. But anyway point is spike grenade does not feel like the end all be all.
For some god unknown reason. I ended up getting one with max blast radius and a masterwork in on top of that and it is doing more damage than I thought it would. When I get a chance I’ll post the roll for testing. 🤔
I would argue that reload speed matters more than anything, for all guns. Damage is good, but during fast paced, time critical encounters, waiting to be able to shoot again makes a huge difference than being able to shoot when you want to
Well Fallout, you got me… I got the perfect roll: shiny hard launch, implosion, auto loading, and recombination, BUT IT HAD BLAST RADIUS MASTERWORK!
No way am I deleting it because of that, but still hurts + possible cope.
I like having 100 blast radius on my mountain top so I can use it for more than just boss damage, like ad clear. My mountain top has 100 blast radius and 100 velocity with 73 reload speed without a reload masterwork. The perks are auto load and vorpal.
I guess it'd be maybe too overpowered but I kinda wish recombination could work similarly to redirection. Where just hitting red bar enemies gives you a 20% damage buff that procs vs elite and higher tier enemies with stacks up to 20 using up to 5 stacks at once (I think enhanced is 25% and only uses 4 stacks at a time) to let you load 4x (5x for enhanced) double damage shots. Maybe this would've been too much, but the idea of holding 4+ double damage shots at once. I guess the upside is that recombination can be triggered off of all elemental damage, including primary damage, where redirection would require you use your special ammo in order to get the 2x damage shots AND they'd have to be used on low tier enemies which are obviously not mountaintop's intended targets. Maybe the "deal extra damage to only high ranking enemies" mechanic would be good for it tho since if you want to save your 2x damage shot, you waste it if you want to rocket jump.
My overflow and one for all roll has been nuts when playing on my hunter with orpheus rig. I’m constantly having one for all proc. Every time I pop my super, majors are getting grouped together and absolutely destroyed…..in Onslaught.
Irrelevant for 99,99% players
hmmm i didnt like this overflow recomb before but now I'm rethinking it. It also has implosion
I have a recombination demolitionist role, use it with star fire protocol grenade spam
Im going for biggest damage with just a touch of fun. This roll is:
Hard launch- to lower br
Sticky nades- for launching fun
Auto loading- my biggest pve crutch
Recombination- for number get bigger.
I know sticky isnt as good as spike or implosion but it is hella fun so i really dont care.
So far, my best roll is; Hard Launch, Implosion, Demo, Recomb. I can not, for the life of me, get ANYTHING else besides demo/recomb. EVERY recombination I've gotten comes with demo. My rng is horrible. 100+ runs of onslaught and only 2 god rolls. 1 for Elsie (which I'm never going to use anyway) and one for Midnight Coup, which I'm actually happy with.
FINALLY got auto loading, recomb. But it has perks that have it stuck at 100 blast radius and there's no way to reduce it! Thanks Bungie!
Hey, did u get spike grenades? If so it doesn’t matter!
Ah, ok so my hard launch implosion auto loading recombination shiny is God roll 🥰 ty!
Literally just this morning I got a shiny Mountaintop with Hard Launch, Spike Grenades, Demo / Overflow, Rampage / Recombination, and a reload masterwork... I feel very lucky.
I got a demo/recombination roll, its pretty fun
I have that exact same roll as you but I master worked the blast radius 😫
One of my many rolls has hard launch, implosion rds, over flow, one for all, w/ a reload MW
Hard launch, spike OR impulse, autoloading, recom OR vorpal, handling OR velocity masterwork is a gos roll
Anything but blast radius is a god roll let’s be real lol
I got hard launch, spike and implosion, ambitious assassin, rampage on a tier 1 blast radius master work
Got a shiny with hard launch, spike/ implosion, auto loading/ overflow, rampage/ vorpal, with reload masterwork. If only that rampage was recombination.
Been using the first one Shax gave me and it’s actually been sweet
Ive got a adrenaline/Recombo role and its been pretty nice,recombo is a bit overhyped but most things are anyway in d2 lol
See the hopefully going to stay top comment already brings up the Recombination point that it works off ANY elemental final blow (including grenades/charge melees), so instead I'll say a roll to also look out for would be Demo + Frenzy. Lets you hard reload into firing many shots into a crowd and get grenade energy as you do it to be able to throw more grenades for some instant reloads. Worth keeping one if you see one! Demo + Recombination also works due to the interaction above.
Hard launch
Spike grenades
Auto loading
Frenzy
Reload masterwork
I got Mt 5/5 non shiny sadly. But it’s hard launch, implosion rounds, auto loader, vorpal. It has a master work that’s not too useful but NOT Blast radius.
Demo adrenaline junkie is one I’m looking for. I have it on the another wave frame and it’s great with a voidlock contra verse build or any grenade build really. Just want to see how it compares with the wave frame version.
I just recently got a shiny with impulse/ overflow + recomb/ frenzy
Should I keep my ALH + frenzy roll?