The ball manufacturing is exactly the same by the way, the only difference is they’re sorted at the factory prior to packing and sets made to make a set as close as possible.
I would agree with that assessment. That sorting/ matching is worth something, since it costs them something to do. Whether they bought a special machine, or pay someone to match them by weight.
they could easily have a machine that sorts all balls into separate bins, with each bin having a specific weight. To make a 1g set they would then just pick all the balls from one bin. For the 3g sets they just deliberately pick them from a variety of bins. Simple. Although I do think they're ripping off the customer for a process that costs them pennies. When the GPO (Post Office) was first established, it just charged a single price for all letters. The government insisted that they should have "first" and "second" class post. So the post office had to implement a procedure to separate the letters into their respective classes. Then deliberately hold up the mail for the second class post. This obviously incurred the cost of the staff carrying out this sorting and storing. The cost of this was paid for by the premium of the first class post. So all those people that paid extra for "first class" post were, in reality, just paying to have the second class post held up.
Before few months i made a test here in the oldest town in Europe- Plovdiv, Bulgaria.I put the brown ball on its spot ,3/4 cut to the yellow pocket trying to play it down for the blue with max screw and top spin using 1G and later 3g balls. After playing the same shots many times with each set i came to the conclusion that 1g balls are more lazy and you dont have such positional possibilities like the 3g balls. With 1g you cannot place the cue ball where you can place it with 3g. Also there is a difference in throw when playing shots more than 3/4 cut at slow speeds.And we are talking about plain ball striking !Adding spin makes things very different ! Even Aramith are saying that although they look identical they play different. Stefan ,Bulgaria!
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I have both sets, not much difference to be honest. I play with the more expensive ones but that's probably because they're a nice colour but in terms of what they're doing on the baize - nah. A world of difference between the old style that Steve Davis and those before used but between the club and executive set - save yourself the money and buy the cheaper ones because they are a phenomenonal quality. Great stuff BFL, keep it going.
2 weeks ago I bought a set of genuine Aramith Premier snooker balls. They are 2.125" diameter and they came in an Aramith green box. I paid $188 American for them which also covered shipping. I am more than pleased with the quality of this set. Here in USA snooker tables are rare. Here in the Kansas City area we only have two snooker tables and both are 5 X 10. Ah such is life. It's all we have. The clubs who have these snooker tables have snooker balls that are in very bad condition; lots of nicks, dirty, faded. So I bought my own set of balls and I think it was a worthy investment. I did go looking on Amazon for a functional hard case for my snooker balls. I found a suitable hard case for about $20. I keep the case/balls in a personal locker at my club. When I'm finished playing I take my balls with me. If others are going to continue playing after I leave they have to use the balls provided by the club - or they can buy their own balls as I did. Anyhow - the topic if this video is VERY much appreciated. Love your channel. I subbed some months ago. You keep it fun as well as instructive.
Hello from Sydney Australia! Just got my set of these (in the shiny case!) today. I haven't had a chance to use them as, and although they were not at all cheap to purchase, the balls at my local club are a real mix up of chipped very heavily used balls. I kind of bought these out of desperation as I noticed at last week's practise, I missed a few fairly simple shots fractionally and noticed some pretty decent chips in the balls (especially the cue ball). As always, great content BFL!
We change our balls @ Balsall Common Snooker Club in Coventry every 2 years and the cloths every year. When I first joined the club 20 years ago it was fairly easy to move the white ball about until a visiting player from div 1 complained about it being too light. On further investigation after replacing both sets someone had thought the white balls weren’t white enough in both sets so bought two others that were much lighter in colour and weight. Love the videos 👏🏼👍🏼 Can’t wait till we open again 🍺🍺🍺🍺
1G’s are (or at least were) available in the traditional TC box, they have a round sticker on the front saying 1G, they’re provided for tournament use. At one time you couldn’t get the 1Gs in the silver box. That said I know that regular Tournament Champion balls are often used at large events.
I've got a set of 1G's in the blue box that were used in the 2017 world championship and the certificate to prove they are. They have the 1 G sticker on the box as well and were used when I bought them for £200
Love the new video quality. Big improvement. Hopefully you can also raise the bar for the audio quality. Small improvements can make a big difference. But let's face it, we are all here for the content, and the content is great. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Grembergen, Belgium.
Let me also add that, having played new, top-quality balls vs older ones, I have noticed that I have to play a bit harder to get the same action. I've never had a scale to test mass tolerances, but can definitely feel when one set of balls at a hall feels like a different weight than another at the same hall.
this is why I bought a new set..my old "light" balls i practice at home with play too "easier" compared to league balls ..went for the"regular" 3g but were out of stock for a month..so went with 1g price was right to upgrade..do play different.. hopefully game improves..i think heavier makes any spin you have react more since on cushion that much longer..
You are right. On the pro tour they use 1Gs packaged in a standard cardboard box. I use 1Gs myself so when I saw Brendan Moore at World championship qualifying packing away the balls in a box I asked him about them as I also assumed they were Tournament Champion balls.
My friend just got a table that came with new perfect condition 3G balls, consisting of brighter reds. I felt that his balls were playing totally differently as the cue ball seemed to spray more. So we got in a gram scale and all of his were within 3g but weighed in from 126- 129 g. My buddy's highest run with his balls on his table was 42 points. We weighed my new 1Gs and they all came in at 142.5 or 142 g bang on. My buddy promptly ran 68 with my 1Gs. We immediately noticed very little 'spray' with the cue ball compared to his lighter balls but for us, it is harder to draw the cue ball back as far with the heavier 1Gs. We also play this game of billiards that we have heard is called Indonesian Billiards where you must got out with exactly 69 points and we have found there is a significant difference with the action of the 2 sets of balls, because a game of Indonesian requires caroms half the time and the angles that the white takes off the object ball is noticeably different. The 1Gs are clearly better.
The 1G set are the same quality as the TC balls, the weights range from approx 138-144 grams. The 1G (gram) set means the 22 ball set can only have a weight tolerance of 1gram between lightest & heaviest ball. The Tournament Champion set has a 3 gram weight tolerance. Plus a nice silver ball case
I bought the 1G set around 9 months ago and for the first 4 months we were not in lockdown. I was able to use the for 6 hours a day 6 days a week constantly. I noticed a significant difference to those of the “club” standard set. They had more weight, grip and the polish of them made them far more easier to see - meaning I could pot more! However, I do understand you may be paying £90 more for the 1G compared to the tournament pro but I feel that over a longer period of time the balls will play abs feel a lot better than them. From my experience the most significant difference between the two are the cue balls. They have slight difference in weight but the actual feel of the shot is much better with 1G.
It says quite clearly on the box that they are exactly the same balls - not heavier! Only difference is that they only have 1gm allowed difference in weight.
Also have both this sets, weight it. Find no any differences, all balls was about 140-142 g. Have aramith practice ball ( looks like "tv cueball" also 142 g), but could not screw it at all. Found 127g cueball from old aramith premiere set( all balls 127, lot easyer screw and rotate). Interesting channel, greatings from my garage (with table) from Arkhangelsk.
Despite the comments below saying otherwise, I do wonder if the resin is exactly the same between TC and 1g, after the observation about gripping the cloth. Weight tolerance wouldn't account for that.
Value is something neither you nor I can decide for everyone here, but from what I know about most things is this law of diminishing returns, where costs of producing something skyrocket quite rapidly the closer to perfection you want to get. Keeping in mind that if you're buying them for yourself, and the expected lifespan should be from 5-10 years, I think the difference in price over that time period isn't prohibitive. Being prepared on the right set of balls for a big tournament should easily offset the investment.
Hello everyone! Before going ahead with the purchase of new balls, especially if you already own a set of Aramith 1G's and you want those again, since they're are pretty costly, use the Aramith ball cleaner + Aramith ball restorer first to see if you can get them back to looking new again, whichever ones you currently own. If not and only if not then go ahead with your new balls expense. I am in Canada and finding those products on Amazon Canada was pretty easy so I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for you as well! :-)
Great video and interesting points. I ended up buying the TV set of balls as couldn't justify paying the extra money for a case and not a massive difference.
I think what the price is paying for is the extra work to ensure consistency. They have to chuck away balls that don’t meet the tolerance or run through moulds and so on more often. The other thing is if it’s £90 over year that’s only £9 a year or 3p a day if you play every day.
What a load of balls! Very informative and in depth analysis make's your channel one of the best. I'd be interested to know where my local club get their ball's from and whether there mass produced and cheap, compared to the tournament balls.
I bought a aluminum case off ebay for £13.00 and made it myself to put the round cutouts in the foam and a lower set of balls thats next down to the pro balls you shown there for about £60.00 but they are Aramith balls.
I think it’s important to check that your cue ball hasn’t gotten smaller or lighter. I got gifted an old set from my local club. The cue ball was 51.3mm and only weighed 132g….nearly 8g lighter than the average of the others You can always buy a new cue ball
@@Breakfromlife they always told me it was due to the weight of the case but I wonder if that’s really the truth maybe they just didn’t wanna risk someone ripping the cloth with the case? I dunno? Great vids dude keep it up 👌
A couple of years ago they switched back from an aluminium case to a cardboard box but there is certainly a difference. With the new 1g balls there is a maximum tolerance of 1 gram between each of the balls. With the normal Tournament Champion the tolerance is between 3 and 5 grams.
I bought the blue box set over Christmas, before I had bog standard/old set, I was told getting the blue box amarith would increase quality by 80-85% and getting the even more expensive set would only increase by extra 5/10% so decided wasn’t worth paying the extra for them
I’m not a snooker player, I am a 9-ball player and have my own table. The standard balls that were delivered along with the table leave pockmark’s on the cloth, you can clearly see they are cheap due to how dull they are. I opted for the professional amaranth set and along with the new balls being shinier, they are also totally circular which the standard balls don’t claim to be. The action on the amaranth balls (top, screw and running side) or a ,assign change from the standard balls and for the price of £250 for the set, I am delighted with my purchase. My game has dramatically increased as well as my position play is much much better and that is definitely due to my amaranth balls.
You don't mention micro fractures that will occur with old balls, particularly the white. This would be difficult to test for. Perhaps you could use sound? I would expect new balls to give a sharp crack, and old balls a dull(er) thud. Perhaps, put a heavy smooth object on the table (an anvil) and measure the bounce distance off the anvil. This would be a dynamic test, rather than a static one. Keep up the good work!
I have both sets too and there isn't any difference for me aside from a nice case! Luckily, the more expensive ones came with my table which I only paid £400 for anyway and it also came with an iron so quids in!
As the 1g set just seem to be a sorted or "binned" set of balls within 1g of each other and the material and finish is exactly the same, the grip part doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not sure if you covered this, but maybe cleaning both sets of balls would have resulted in a closer performance. Grip is most likely to be a surface thing and not really weight related. We've tried it ourselves polishing our balls with car wax and the cue ball will screw ridiculously far back down the table doing this - the reds also split open much more freely. There could be some grease/oil on the surface or other difference causing the changes you noticed
Don't forget it's always cheaper if you can to buy a set of balls with your playing partner or group ! It means however the balls will stay at your local club so everyone can use them . Also you can buff and polish your old set and sell them on to offset the price of new balls . I've done that twice before, there will always be a player who appreciates having their own set . Even if used they will be always better than standard club balls .
I have a set of ATC balls, for which I obtained a hard carrying case. A few other players in the club have these, some have the 1G balls. My set don't vary in weight by more than 1 gram anyway. I'm certain that no one can tell the difference. The main thing other players notice is that mine are polished cleaner than theirs! Another important point regarding marketing etc is that a buyer of a set of balls that has paid almost £100 more for them wants to believe that they are at least a hundred pounds superior, when they're obviously not.
As one of the lads who posted earlier said, I suspect they are the exact same balls in both sets with the only difference being the 1g's have been sorted at the factory to ensure uniformity. I think any difference is in the mind. If there was any difference in the manufacturing process or technology, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. But none of the promotional stuff mentions anything like that. They just talk about the uniformity of weight.
You have to ask yourself why balls made from the exact same material and of the exact same size that have been made using the exact same process differ so much in weight. The real problem with Aramith phenolic resin balls is that the material is softer than the super crystalate balls they replaced so can't be so highly polished and therefore they have a rougher surface. This is why there was a huge kicks and bad contacts issue when they first came on the scene which has led to 1g sets, finer cloths, table heaters, ball polish, special chalk etc. Break from life needs to do a comparison between the super crystalate balls used by Steve Davis & co and the Aramith 1g's. The super crystalates are the same size and weight and though the material is harder and less elastic, that didn't stop Jimmy White's amazing shots back in the day, the shot in the video was played using super crystalates. Used sets are available on ebay and if you find a good set, like I did, then your snooker will be more consistant with far less kicks and bad contacts, because let's face it, we can't have new cloths every three days like the pro tour.
Exactly. No differences in manufacturing process, materials, etc. are mentioned by Aramith, only the consistency in weight. I strongly suspect 1g simply gets sorted to the tighter weight spec., and the slightly heavier & lighter balls get passed down to the 3g "assembly line". I doubt they have to toss out very many balls. Someone mentioned slightly different colours between the 3g's and 1g's - can that be confirmed (or refuted) by those of you who have both?
I'm not sure how it works in billiards exactly but in tenpin bowling, outside of topology of the lane and the oil used (billiards equivalent would be the slate and cloth) the outer cover material of the ball and the way the ball is weighted (with a heavy, often asymmetrical core) massively changes the way each ball feels. I wonder if there is a difference in the outer finish of each sets where maybe the higher end set has a more consistent finish versus the other set.
Would you be interested in playing Barton snooker a game head to head? We have been commenting on his video asking the same question, and it has sparked alot of interest. It would be fun to watch 😎
It’s a good idea and I would happily play anyone. Although I have a feeling he’s somewhere between a little to a lot better than me. Distance may be an issue but not a problem that couldn’t be solved eventually.
@@Breakfromlife Its not about who's the best. Doesn't even have to be a head to head. I'm sure you guys could conjure up some sort of entertaining video together. I'll look forward to it 😎
@@Breakfromlife I'd only be interested if the result was the least important part of the video. You two playing shots in silence before going back to your corner to watch would be FAR less enticing than if you were talking and having a giggle throughout about the good and bad shots, about how you got to where you are, and the things you still want to improve about your games.
It’s a no brainer to own a set of balls just like you own a cue. The £90 extra to have case and finer tolerances is outweighed by the convenience of transporting and storing as well as cleaning them when you are away from the table. Plus they look cool
This is a great video. Id love another but adding some other sets. For exampe the super crystale and I keep seeing some cheap ones from china called Xinkang or similar
I've always been curious about something and have never been able to find the answer. Is it possible to find/buy your own custom 'clear' resin balls? I know American Pool balls can be easily made but I've never managed to find anything about snooker. Would be awesome to see!
@@Breakfromlife Soon be back out bud with a pint and toastie on the go. At least you've got the beauty of your own table man, i've resorted to snooker nation championship on the Xbox. 🙃
I have these in a box with round 1g sticker on and season used. The pros get a free set every year to practice with so my mate gave me his old ones for my home table. Feel heavier and more grippy like you said on my table but fine on his super fine cloth match table.
We checked 10 sets of the 3gs and there was only 2g difference from the heaviest to the lightest in all sets. For me, the 1G are not worth extra money for the for the 1 or 2 at most 2g difference. I practice with 1gs but play club matches with 3gs, i consistently get high breaks and don't feel any difference unless I play on the exhibition table, which is heated, as the 1gs seem to get less reaction than the 3gs. That's my personal take on the balls. Ps, love your videos
I agree and great video. I really enjoy your videos bro. I think with most flub players it wouldnt make much of a difference. Same here in the U.S. i play at a pool hall....(no snooker tables unfortunately) and they always have new balls from aramath. Great balls. Then theres another place 30 minutes away and they are still using the same balls they have had for over 20 years. The balls are dead. No reaction basically. Balls will skip. I get so many bad hits. The average player isnt really affected. They arent using english so they dont have alot of miss hits. But i have to concentrate so hard not to miss hit because i use english. If not hitting the cue ball dead center youre at risk. They are absolutely terrible. Backspin is so unpredictable. Its frustrating. The players that play there just average players dont notice anything wrong at all. If ou put a brand new set of aramath on the table it wouldnt make a difference to them. I think another good video idea would be......and sticking with this same theme on equipment and if it makes a difference would be table quality. Specs...etc. i notice becauee i play at alot of different places for tournaments that tables are different everywhere. The cloth is a huge one. Theres several different types of cloths they can buy. Some buy really cheap cloth. Its very thick like craft felt you find at an arts and crafts store. Those tables are so slow. Its amazing the difference. When you use backspin it catches so much because it just grabs that thick cloth. Then other places buy high quality cloth like the pros use. And is so wonderful to play on. Again the average player doesnt care or even know the difference when playing on a cheap thick cloth or the better high quality thinner cloth. I notice the balls dont roll straight and true on a cheap thick cloth. A better player uses different speeds depending on the shot. So some they hit very soft. Some medium some hard. When hitting a soft shot on a cheap cloth you can bet that cue ball is not going to roll straight. Some places the tables are not level. Other places check the level regularly on their tables. Rails too high or low. Pockets range in sizes from place to place. The cut of the pockets differ.......theres just so many things about the tables at different places that can affect your play. Id love to see a video about that but you would have to travel to some different clubs to compare the tables. I finally got to play snooker last year as there are no snooker tables within 6 hours of where i live. Its just not popular here at all. But i went to california for the summer. Was so excited. Went to the pool hall my first day there and got right on the snooker table. I quickly became frustrated as i could not pot a ball. I knew snooker pockets were alot smaller. Rounded corners. But eventually after getting so frustrated i measured the pockets because i knew even ronnie would have trouble on this table. The pockets measured 64 m.m.'s. Snooker pockets are supposex to be 86 m.m.'s so basically you could only pot a ball if you were straight on the pocket. Nothing would go in if you were anywhere near the black spot or closer to the rail. It was impossible with the pocket size. You could sometimes pot the black but you had to be perfect. So i really never got to play snooker proper there. It was a terrible experience with the pockets being only about ten m.m.'s larger than the balls. But hopefully ill get to play snooker one day and enjoy the experience. The gwmes were a joke. The highest break i ever saw anyone get on that table was 8 or 10. But usually you make one point at a time unless a ball is right over a pocket. And you still miss those alot. We complained to the place but they refused to fix it. Terrible. But i think a video comparing differences in tables and equipment would be really interesting. And how it affects your game. Omg. Sorry this is so long. Lol.
Interesting view on the types of balls and they roll and wonder if pool balls react the same. Great video and keep up the good work and greetings from Kent uk
This guy is so enthusiastic and aways a great watch aswell its made me think now
The ball manufacturing is exactly the same by the way, the only difference is they’re sorted at the factory prior to packing and sets made to make a set as close as possible.
I would agree with that assessment. That sorting/ matching is worth something, since it costs them something to do. Whether they bought a special machine, or pay someone to match them by weight.
Balls.
Just like computer CPUs bining
they could easily have a machine that sorts all balls into separate bins, with each bin having a specific weight. To make a 1g set they would then just pick all the balls from one bin. For the 3g sets they just deliberately pick them from a variety of bins. Simple. Although I do think they're ripping off the customer for a process that costs them pennies.
When the GPO (Post Office) was first established, it just charged a single price for all letters. The government insisted that they should have "first" and "second" class post. So the post office had to implement a procedure to separate the letters into their respective classes. Then deliberately hold up the mail for the second class post. This obviously incurred the cost of the staff carrying out this sorting and storing. The cost of this was paid for by the premium of the first class post. So all those people that paid extra for "first class" post were, in reality, just paying to have the second class post held up.
Before few months i made a test here in the oldest town in Europe- Plovdiv, Bulgaria.I put the brown ball on its spot ,3/4 cut to the yellow pocket trying to play it down for the blue with max screw and top spin using 1G and later 3g balls. After playing the same shots many times with each set i came to the conclusion that 1g balls are more lazy and you dont have such positional possibilities like the 3g balls. With 1g you cannot place the cue ball where you can place it with 3g. Also there is a difference in throw when playing shots more than 3/4 cut at slow speeds.And we are talking about plain ball striking !Adding spin makes things very different ! Even Aramith are saying that although they look identical they play different. Stefan ,Bulgaria!
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That moment you think the video is about to end but you realize you're only half way through it.
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I have both sets, not much difference to be honest. I play with the more expensive ones but that's probably because they're a nice colour but in terms of what they're doing on the baize - nah. A world of difference between the old style that Steve Davis and those before used but between the club and executive set - save yourself the money and buy the cheaper ones because they are a phenomenonal quality.
Great stuff BFL, keep it going.
2 weeks ago I bought a set of genuine Aramith Premier snooker balls. They are 2.125" diameter and they came in an Aramith green box. I paid $188 American for them which also covered shipping. I am more than pleased with the quality of this set.
Here in USA snooker tables are rare. Here in the Kansas City area we only have two snooker tables and both are 5 X 10. Ah such is life. It's all we have. The clubs who have these snooker tables have snooker balls that are in very bad condition; lots of nicks, dirty, faded. So I bought my own set of balls and I think it was a worthy investment.
I did go looking on Amazon for a functional hard case for my snooker balls. I found a suitable hard case for about $20. I keep the case/balls in a personal locker at my club. When I'm finished playing I take my balls with me. If others are going to continue playing after I leave they have to use the balls provided by the club - or they can buy their own balls as I did.
Anyhow - the topic if this video is VERY much appreciated. Love your channel. I subbed some months ago. You keep it fun as well as instructive.
Hello from Sydney Australia! Just got my set of these (in the shiny case!) today. I haven't had a chance to use them as, and although they were not at all cheap to purchase, the balls at my local club are a real mix up of chipped very heavily used balls. I kind of bought these out of desperation as I noticed at last week's practise, I missed a few fairly simple shots fractionally and noticed some pretty decent chips in the balls (especially the cue ball). As always, great content BFL!
Greetings from Yuma, Arizona! Awesome videos!
We change our balls @ Balsall Common Snooker Club in Coventry every 2 years and the cloths every year. When I first joined the club 20 years ago it was fairly easy to move the white ball about until a visiting player from div 1 complained about it being too light. On further investigation after replacing both sets someone had thought the white balls weren’t white enough in both sets so bought two others that were much lighter in colour and weight.
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1G’s are (or at least were) available in the traditional TC box, they have a round sticker on the front saying 1G, they’re provided for tournament use. At one time you couldn’t get the 1Gs in the silver box. That said I know that regular Tournament Champion balls are often used at large events.
I've got a set of 1G's in the blue box that were used in the 2017 world championship and the certificate to prove they are. They have the 1 G sticker on the box as well and were used when I bought them for £200
correct!
Love the new video quality. Big improvement. Hopefully you can also raise the bar for the audio quality. Small improvements can make a big difference.
But let's face it, we are all here for the content, and the content is great. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Grembergen, Belgium.
Let me also add that, having played new, top-quality balls vs older ones, I have noticed that I have to play a bit harder to get the same action. I've never had a scale to test mass tolerances, but can definitely feel when one set of balls at a hall feels like a different weight than another at the same hall.
this is why I bought a new set..my old "light" balls i practice at home with play too "easier" compared to league balls ..went for the"regular" 3g but were out of stock for a month..so went with 1g price was right to upgrade..do play different.. hopefully game improves..i think heavier makes any spin you have react more since on cushion that much longer..
You are right. On the pro tour they use 1Gs packaged in a standard cardboard box. I use 1Gs myself so when I saw Brendan Moore at World championship qualifying packing away the balls in a box I asked him about them as I also assumed they were Tournament Champion balls.
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My friend just got a table that came with new perfect condition 3G balls, consisting of brighter reds. I felt that his balls were playing totally differently as the cue ball seemed to spray more. So we got in a gram scale and all of his were within 3g but weighed in from 126- 129 g. My buddy's highest run with his balls on his table was 42 points. We weighed my new 1Gs and they all came in at 142.5 or 142 g bang on. My buddy promptly ran 68 with my 1Gs. We immediately noticed very little 'spray' with the cue ball compared to his lighter balls but for us, it is harder to draw the cue ball back as far with the heavier 1Gs. We also play this game of billiards that we have heard is called Indonesian Billiards where you must got out with exactly 69 points and we have found there is a significant difference with the action of the 2 sets of balls, because a game of Indonesian requires caroms half the time and the angles that the white takes off the object ball is noticeably different. The 1Gs are clearly better.
The 1G set are the same quality as the TC balls, the weights range from approx 138-144 grams. The 1G (gram) set means the 22 ball set can only have a weight tolerance of 1gram between lightest & heaviest ball. The Tournament Champion set has a 3 gram weight tolerance.
Plus a nice silver ball case
You just more or less repeated what he said in the vid 👍
I bought the 1G set around 9 months ago and for the first 4 months we were not in lockdown. I was able to use the for 6 hours a day 6 days a week constantly.
I noticed a significant difference to those of the “club” standard set. They had more weight, grip and the polish of them made them far more easier to see - meaning I could pot more!
However, I do understand you may be paying £90 more for the 1G compared to the tournament pro but I feel that over a longer period of time the balls will play abs feel a lot better than them. From my experience the most significant difference between the two are the cue balls. They have slight difference in weight but the actual feel of the shot is much better with 1G.
It says quite clearly on the box that they are exactly the same balls - not heavier! Only difference is that they only have 1gm allowed difference in weight.
Using your videos for the past 6 months...Noticed a lot of improvement in my game .Lots of Love ❤️❤️❤️ from Andhra Pradesh, India.🇮🇳
Interesting to know if you’ve worked out why that scares you yet?
@@Breakfromlife Can you please tell me about yips I'm facing. It's been going on for the past 15 days. Please help and any tips to recover from them.
Also have both this sets, weight it. Find no any differences, all balls was about 140-142 g. Have aramith practice ball ( looks like "tv cueball" also 142 g), but could not screw it at all. Found 127g cueball from old aramith premiere set( all balls 127, lot easyer screw and rotate). Interesting channel, greatings from my garage (with table) from Arkhangelsk.
I can't tell you how much I enjoy your channel, even though you're a lifetime ahead of me as a player..
Been a fan for a long time. I don't play, but I do enjoy watching your work. Thanks from WInchester, Virginia!
Glad I have insomnia tonight so I can catch your new, informative video! Big love from Canada.
Fascinating video my friend - great job!
Greetings from Sam, living in Suzhou, China 🇨🇳
Despite the comments below saying otherwise, I do wonder if the resin is exactly the same between TC and 1g, after the observation about gripping the cloth. Weight tolerance wouldn't account for that.
Loving the testing videos, Henry from Sheffield.
Value is something neither you nor I can decide for everyone here, but from what I know about most things is this law of diminishing returns, where costs of producing something skyrocket quite rapidly the closer to perfection you want to get.
Keeping in mind that if you're buying them for yourself, and the expected lifespan should be from 5-10 years, I think the difference in price over that time period isn't prohibitive.
Being prepared on the right set of balls for a big tournament should easily offset the investment.
Hello everyone! Before going ahead with the purchase of new balls, especially if you already own a set of Aramith 1G's and you want those again, since they're are pretty costly, use the Aramith ball cleaner + Aramith ball restorer first to see if you can get them back to looking new again, whichever ones you currently own. If not and only if not then go ahead with your new balls expense. I am in Canada and finding those products on Amazon Canada was pretty easy so I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard for you as well! :-)
Non silicone pledge cleaner buffs up the balls just fine
@@mikebest634 It will replace the cleaner but not the restorer though!
Good idea ..but I don't think it helps if your balls have got lighter over the years, especially the cue ball ...or does it ?
@@andrewroberts6975 You're right but that's why I didn't exclude the need to replace balls. I just suggested to use those products first! 😉
Support all the way from Cape Town, South Africa. Loving every video you make!
Will from York - United Kingdom
Keep up the good work!
Great video and interesting points. I ended up buying the TV set of balls as couldn't justify paying the extra money for a case and not a massive difference.
6:04 Oh my god, this is last place I'd have expected to see Tyler1's face xD.
Must just be popular with people in Iceland for some reason
Great channel, fell out of love with snooker for a while but this channel has helped find love for the game again:)
Much love from Slovenia, Ljubljana :)
I think what the price is paying for is the extra work to ensure consistency. They have to chuck away balls that don’t meet the tolerance or run through moulds and so on more often.
The other thing is if it’s £90 over year that’s only £9 a year or 3p a day if you play every day.
Waiting for this video for a week👌🏻 learned alot from Your videos big respect sir Abdullah from Multan,Pakistan
Love the content mate, cheers. Jason - Sydney Australia.
What a load of balls! Very informative and in depth analysis make's your channel one of the best. I'd be interested to know where my local club get their ball's from and whether there mass produced and cheap, compared to the tournament balls.
Looking forward to more accurate trick shots with the new balls 👍
I'm enjoying your videos - Ade from Truro in Cornwall.
Lovely video! You are so informative in your videos and explain everything so clearly!
Jacob from Plymouth, England
I bought a aluminum case off ebay for £13.00 and made it myself to put the round cutouts in the foam and a lower set of balls thats next down to the pro balls you shown there for about £60.00 but they are Aramith balls.
Saying hi from Halifax, Nova Scotia
It would be cool to take these balls to a machine shop where the surface roughness can be measured.
i enjoy all of your videos - thanks for making them
Always great videos. Dean from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
Love and respects from Shahdadkot, Pakistan 🇵🇰.
I think it’s important to check that your cue ball hasn’t gotten smaller or lighter. I got gifted an old set from my local club. The cue ball was 51.3mm and only weighed 132g….nearly 8g lighter than the average of the others You can always buy a new cue ball
Ur vids are so good man! I’m from Buckinghamshire in the Uk!
Always tuning in to these videos from Sheffield (snooker capital city😉)
@@markmascollful tryna get a pin on the map lol
Was also taught from my club, that putting the metal box in the table is detrimental to the table
Definitely, worried me every time I did it but had no where else I could film it
@@Breakfromlife they always told me it was due to the weight of the case but I wonder if that’s really the truth maybe they just didn’t wanna risk someone ripping the cloth with the case? I dunno?
Great vids dude keep it up 👌
@@lewisreynolds5283 Part of it may be tearing the cloth, the other part may be what happens to the slate if you drop a corner on the table too hard
A couple of years ago they switched back from an aluminium case to a cardboard box but there is certainly a difference. With the new 1g balls there is a maximum tolerance of 1 gram between each of the balls. With the normal Tournament Champion the tolerance is between 3 and 5 grams.
Love your videos pal, watching from sunny Hofu, Japan :D
Great video, cheers from Medan, Indonesia ❤
Hey love the videos from Tauranga New Zealand 🇳🇿
I bought the blue box set over Christmas, before I had bog standard/old set, I was told getting the blue box amarith would increase quality by 80-85% and getting the even more expensive set would only increase by extra 5/10% so decided wasn’t worth paying the extra for them
I love the channel. Mad in snooker. Dan from Coventry, UK. Keep it up 😜
You're Videos always help me to improve my Cueing !!!! ❤️👍 from Jabalpur , Madhya Pradesh ,India !!
I’m not a snooker player, I am a 9-ball player and have my own table. The standard balls that were delivered along with the table leave pockmark’s on the cloth, you can clearly see they are cheap due to how dull they are. I opted for the professional amaranth set and along with the new balls being shinier, they are also totally circular which the standard balls don’t claim to be. The action on the amaranth balls (top, screw and running side) or a ,assign change from the standard balls and for the price of £250 for the set, I am delighted with my purchase. My game has dramatically increased as well as my position play is much much better and that is definitely due to my amaranth balls.
You don't mention micro fractures that will occur with old balls, particularly the white. This would be difficult to test for. Perhaps you could use sound? I would expect new balls to give a sharp crack, and old balls a dull(er) thud. Perhaps, put a heavy smooth object on the table (an anvil) and measure the bounce distance off the anvil. This would be a dynamic test, rather than a static one. Keep up the good work!
I have both sets too and there isn't any difference for me aside from a nice case! Luckily, the more expensive ones came with my table which I only paid £400 for anyway and it also came with an iron so quids in!
As the 1g set just seem to be a sorted or "binned" set of balls within 1g of each other and the material and finish is exactly the same, the grip part doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I'm not sure if you covered this, but maybe cleaning both sets of balls would have resulted in a closer performance. Grip is most likely to be a surface thing and not really weight related. We've tried it ourselves polishing our balls with car wax and the cue ball will screw ridiculously far back down the table doing this - the reds also split open much more freely.
There could be some grease/oil on the surface or other difference causing the changes you noticed
Love your videos mate. Much love from Tasmania Australia
Class video mate, all the best from Joe, Belfast, Ireland
Don't forget it's always cheaper if you can to buy a set of balls with your playing partner or group ! It means however the balls will stay at your local club so everyone can use them . Also you can buff and polish your old set and sell them on to offset the price of new balls . I've done that twice before, there will always be a player who appreciates having their own set . Even if used they will be always better than standard club balls .
I have a set of ATC balls, for which I obtained a hard carrying case. A few other players in the club have these, some have the 1G balls. My set don't vary in weight by more than 1 gram anyway. I'm certain that no one can tell the difference. The main thing other players notice is that mine are polished cleaner than theirs!
Another important point regarding marketing etc is that a buyer of a set of balls that has paid almost £100 more for them wants to believe that they are at least a hundred pounds superior, when they're obviously not.
As one of the lads who posted earlier said, I suspect they are the exact same balls in both sets with the only difference being the 1g's have been sorted at the factory to ensure uniformity. I think any difference is in the mind. If there was any difference in the manufacturing process or technology, they'd be shouting it from the rooftops. But none of the promotional stuff mentions anything like that. They just talk about the uniformity of weight.
You have to ask yourself why balls made from the exact same material and of the exact same size that have been made using the exact same process differ so much in weight.
The real problem with Aramith phenolic resin balls is that the material is softer than the super crystalate balls they replaced so can't be so highly polished and therefore they have a rougher surface.
This is why there was a huge kicks and bad contacts issue when they first came on the scene which has led to 1g sets, finer cloths, table heaters, ball polish, special chalk etc.
Break from life needs to do a comparison between the super crystalate balls used by Steve Davis & co and the Aramith 1g's. The super crystalates are the same size and weight and though the material is harder and less elastic, that didn't stop Jimmy White's amazing shots back in the day, the shot in the video was played using super crystalates.
Used sets are available on ebay and if you find a good set, like I did, then your snooker will be more consistant with far less kicks and bad contacts, because let's face it, we can't have new cloths every three days like the pro tour.
Exactly. No differences in manufacturing process, materials, etc. are mentioned by Aramith, only the consistency in weight. I strongly suspect 1g simply gets sorted to the tighter weight spec., and the slightly heavier & lighter balls get passed down to the 3g "assembly line". I doubt they have to toss out very many balls. Someone mentioned slightly different colours between the 3g's and 1g's - can that be confirmed (or refuted) by those of you who have both?
I'm not sure how it works in billiards exactly but in tenpin bowling, outside of topology of the lane and the oil used (billiards equivalent would be the slate and cloth) the outer cover material of the ball and the way the ball is weighted (with a heavy, often asymmetrical core) massively changes the way each ball feels. I wonder if there is a difference in the outer finish of each sets where maybe the higher end set has a more consistent finish versus the other set.
Would you be interested in playing Barton snooker a game head to head? We have been commenting on his video asking the same question, and it has sparked alot of interest. It would be fun to watch 😎
It’s a good idea and I would happily play anyone. Although I have a feeling he’s somewhere between a little to a lot better than me. Distance may be an issue but not a problem that couldn’t be solved eventually.
@@Breakfromlife Its not about who's the best. Doesn't even have to be a head to head. I'm sure you guys could conjure up some sort of entertaining video together. I'll look forward to it 😎
@@Breakfromlife I'd only be interested if the result was the least important part of the video. You two playing shots in silence before going back to your corner to watch would be FAR less enticing than if you were talking and having a giggle throughout about the good and bad shots, about how you got to where you are, and the things you still want to improve about your games.
It’s a no brainer to own a set of balls just like you own a cue. The £90 extra to have case and finer tolerances is outweighed by the convenience of transporting and storing as well as cleaning them when you are away from the table. Plus they look cool
Lennart, from Hamburg, Germany! Keep up the good videos!
This is a great video. Id love another but adding some other sets. For exampe the super crystale and I keep seeing some cheap ones from china called Xinkang or similar
Greetings from Bulgaria 🇧🇬 ,just keep it up! 🙂
always enjoy the video's. ken from Ravenshead.
I've always been curious about something and have never been able to find the answer. Is it possible to find/buy your own custom 'clear' resin balls? I know American Pool balls can be easily made but I've never managed to find anything about snooker. Would be awesome to see!
Good vid man. Watching these lately has got me itching to get back in the club 🙃 Tom from Middlesbrough.
Yeah I think I played someone once last year. Since March anyway
@@Breakfromlife Soon be back out bud with a pint and toastie on the go. At least you've got the beauty of your own table man, i've resorted to snooker nation championship on the Xbox. 🙃
Andy from Belfast - great videos!
My boxed Tournament Champion set amass at 139g. each, with one red at 140g. and the white, at 138g.
I have these in a box with round 1g sticker on and season used. The pros get a free set every year to practice with so my mate gave me his old ones for my home table.
Feel heavier and more grippy like you said on my table but fine on his super fine cloth match table.
Love your channel. Kyle commenting from Birmingham, AL, USA.
Always Love your videos, Azeem from Sialkot,Pakistan🇵🇰
“More than just a pretty case “ 😂😂
I think that’s actually what it says on there website. Didn’t really realise how it sounded until I started editing the video
We checked 10 sets of the 3gs and there was only 2g difference from the heaviest to the lightest in all sets.
For me, the 1G are not worth extra money for the for the 1 or 2 at most 2g difference.
I practice with 1gs but play club matches with 3gs, i consistently get high breaks and don't feel any difference unless I play on the exhibition table, which is heated, as the 1gs seem to get less reaction than the 3gs.
That's my personal take on the balls.
Ps, love your videos
Brilliant video much respect from kildare, Ireland
They are obviously made with a slightly different material which makes them react differently off the cloth and cushions
Great vid loved watching in Chesterfield england
Love this channel.
Brilliant videos 👍
Big fan from Noida,India 🇮🇳 ...want to ask that is wide tip cue creates better screw shots ?? I find screw shots more comfortable with a wide tip cue
If I produce snooker balls, I would defenately make them 147 gram weight.
Awesome videos man, Love from Malaysia
I agree and great video. I really enjoy your videos bro. I think with most flub players it wouldnt make much of a difference. Same here in the U.S. i play at a pool hall....(no snooker tables unfortunately) and they always have new balls from aramath. Great balls. Then theres another place 30 minutes away and they are still using the same balls they have had for over 20 years. The balls are dead. No reaction basically. Balls will skip. I get so many bad hits. The average player isnt really affected. They arent using english so they dont have alot of miss hits. But i have to concentrate so hard not to miss hit because i use english. If not hitting the cue ball dead center youre at risk. They are absolutely terrible. Backspin is so unpredictable. Its frustrating. The players that play there just average players dont notice anything wrong at all. If ou put a brand new set of aramath on the table it wouldnt make a difference to them. I think another good video idea would be......and sticking with this same theme on equipment and if it makes a difference would be table quality. Specs...etc. i notice becauee i play at alot of different places for tournaments that tables are different everywhere. The cloth is a huge one. Theres several different types of cloths they can buy. Some buy really cheap cloth. Its very thick like craft felt you find at an arts and crafts store. Those tables are so slow. Its amazing the difference. When you use backspin it catches so much because it just grabs that thick cloth. Then other places buy high quality cloth like the pros use. And is so wonderful to play on. Again the average player doesnt care or even know the difference when playing on a cheap thick cloth or the better high quality thinner cloth. I notice the balls dont roll straight and true on a cheap thick cloth. A better player uses different speeds depending on the shot. So some they hit very soft. Some medium some hard. When hitting a soft shot on a cheap cloth you can bet that cue ball is not going to roll straight. Some places the tables are not level. Other places check the level regularly on their tables. Rails too high or low. Pockets range in sizes from place to place. The cut of the pockets differ.......theres just so many things about the tables at different places that can affect your play. Id love to see a video about that but you would have to travel to some different clubs to compare the tables. I finally got to play snooker last year as there are no snooker tables within 6 hours of where i live. Its just not popular here at all. But i went to california for the summer. Was so excited. Went to the pool hall my first day there and got right on the snooker table. I quickly became frustrated as i could not pot a ball. I knew snooker pockets were alot smaller. Rounded corners. But eventually after getting so frustrated i measured the pockets because i knew even ronnie would have trouble on this table. The pockets measured 64 m.m.'s. Snooker pockets are supposex to be 86 m.m.'s so basically you could only pot a ball if you were straight on the pocket. Nothing would go in if you were anywhere near the black spot or closer to the rail. It was impossible with the pocket size. You could sometimes pot the black but you had to be perfect. So i really never got to play snooker proper there. It was a terrible experience with the pockets being only about ten m.m.'s larger than the balls. But hopefully ill get to play snooker one day and enjoy the experience. The gwmes were a joke. The highest break i ever saw anyone get on that table was 8 or 10. But usually you make one point at a time unless a ball is right over a pocket. And you still miss those alot. We complained to the place but they refused to fix it. Terrible. But i think a video comparing differences in tables and equipment would be really interesting. And how it affects your game. Omg. Sorry this is so long. Lol.
Great video! Keep it up break from life
Nottingham England 😉
Love your channel!! Please do a special edition sometime on three cushion billiards sometime!!
Interesting view on the types of balls and they roll and wonder if pool balls react the same. Great video and keep up the good work and greetings from Kent uk
G'day from Gorran Haven, Cornwall. I'm interested in knowing what level you play at when you play tournaments as you look like a very good player.
Best thing to do is order 3 sets sort through and send 2 back
Luis from Hong Kong p- I love your videos so I get better at snooker
Yonex: Badminton
Aramith: Billiards
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Between buying a set of Yonex shuttlecocks and a box of Aramith billiard balls, I prefer the latter!
Really interesting as always :)