Why copying Ben Hogan's Golf Swing may ruin your game
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In this video, we dive deep into golf swing analysis, unraveling the brilliance of Hogan's technique. But be warned: blindly copying it and his Magic Move could be detrimental to your game! Find out why and learn how to adapt his secrets for your success. Like, subscribe, and improve your game today!
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00:00 Introduction
01:05 Ben Hogan Golf Swing Ben Hogan
03:25 Ben Hogan Golf Swing Takeaway to Top of Swing
05:15 Ben Hogan Down Swing and Elbow Work “Magic Move” - Спорт
While I do believe that there is much to learn from studying the pro's swing, like Ban Hogan, Jack Nicklaus, Moe Norman and Lee Trevino my personal mantra is "swing YOUR swing". When I first started playing I was enamored with Fred Couples' swing. I soon learned that I wasn't Fred Couples, so my swing would never look like his! I no longer worry about looking like the pro du jour! I swing MY swing!
Completely agree with you. This channel is about the education of that principle entirely. These swing evals are to showcase how everyone is so unique and should not copy golf swings as most of the times (if not all the time) it wont work for them. Thanks for the comment!
Love the "Old Timers"! Each had a unique swing you could identify from two fairways away. Each had a swing that fit them and them alone like a fingerprint. Trying to copy any of those swings will usually lead you down a path of frustration. Find your own swing and quit trying to emulate the greats. Find a pro that will help you swing a little more consistently and enjoy the game and swing you already have. Just my two cents 😀
Thanks David and those are some great two cents! You are 100% correct. Thanks for the comment!
Generally, HOGAN had pure rotation, a look of total freedom of the club, no wasted motion, a brisk tempo, an efficacious use of geometry, where each still frame looks like a work of art that commands attention and respect. When it's advised NOT to try it as a model I'm reminded what ELECTRA said 2000 years ago: I HAVE NO GREATER ENEMY THAN BAD ADVICE. I'm a fan of your good work. Thanks!
Thanks Thom! Let me know if you have any suggestions for an analysis! Appreciate the support
I totally agree with your opinion. I grew up in SoCal in the 70's and 80's and we were playing club golf. There were lots of teachers trying to teach "the Hogan Method" at that time, and I remember some PGA tour players were trying to perfect "the Hogan Swing". As I recall some of those pros kind of hurt their games. I think Ben found things that worked for him and he practiced smart and hard. Most folks don't have near that time or devotion into the swing to master those positions... obviously, ability factors into it also.
Thanks for the comment Steve. Yes he was cut different and his work ethic outlasted his talent. Much like Tiger. There have been and will be many great swings of the game and they all have unique owners. They may share things in common with each other, but this should not mean they are a secret or should be taught. Everyone is so unique and should be assisted in “their” motions.
To swing like Hogan, you have to totally relax your lower spine at transition !!!!
i've been golfing for years and have been able to get this hogan pivot type swing and when it's good it works very well for me but i can't always keep it going from one round to the next so it's fleeting. i'm always working on my swing action and trying different things. when all else fails i go to a stack and tilt type swing which i find easy to do. i enjoy trying different swing actions.
Golf swings are fun to tinker with and it can definitely teach you also about your motions and abilities not to mention. Limitations. Find something that produces better misses and stick to that, golf is after all a game about misses, not so much about good shots. Thanks very much for the comment!
I love the look of his swing. Looks so fluid and natural and unconscious. Out of curiosity, Ive tried swinging with the right elbow tight to the ribs, its a tough move to pull off
I also love his motion, and I think it is one of the best out there. It did take him many years finding his swing "in the dirt" as he says. I fully believe that swing eventually took care of his hooks, which is why it was so unique to him and very few people need to emulate this unless you have his body makeup, and issues in golf. If that were the case you may be on tour! Thanks for the comment.
The swing is fool proof if you commit to learning it. All good ball strikers find that slot. Hogan was closer to a one planer than anyone else, so on his backswing he did not allow his right elbow to fly out at all. It works, you just have to be somewhat athletic to feel how it works.
Unfortunately in golf nothing is fool proof, but I appreciate your opinion on this motion. Thanks for the comment!
*Alright, I must admit, that was quite amusing. I found myself chuckling uncontrollably as if I had just heard the most hilarious joke. The acronym "LOL" truly encapsulates the joy and mirth that I am currently experiencing. Bravo, my friend, bravo.*
Thanks Tiger, I know you are a huge fan of Hogan! Thanks for watching
@3.54 when the club is parallel to the target line, in the backswing, it has got nothing to do with connecting the right arm against his right side. you can see his secret at this point if you look closely.
Thanks dash for the comment! His secret is in there somewhere. It should just stay a secret!! Appreciate the support!
@@liongolfacademy well, there is nothing new in golf. "As ye waggle so shall ye swing" Hogan just simply pressed forwards with the heel pad of his left hand when the club was parallel to the target line. That's why you see his club accelerate at that point. Waggle helps build it into the swing.
@@DASH1ful …..Another certified Hogan Aficionado who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the wall.
Excellent analysis. Thank you!
You are welcome!
I've been been trying to implement stack and tilt for about a year. About a month ago I started religiously listening and working on BH5L. It feels like starting with the hips is something I can do more consistently. With SnT I was having trouble figuring out what to do first.
Hey star! Thanks for the comment. If what you are reading and working works for you stick with it. If you aren’t already I would highly suggest seeing a certified coach in your area that can test your range of motions for golf and guide you to a path that sounds less frustrating. If you need help finding someone let me know. Best of luck however and thanks for the feedback.
I constantly study the swing ....for the most part it's what I spend my free time doing at least for the last 10 years. My most important issue now is to find out how far I carry each of my clubs. I have a good idea but I want to be more precise
@@staryeyedmonk Yes, distance dispersion is key to know, then you can fill in the gaps and start to play to your strengths.
My game was haven issues 6 months ago so I took some lessons with an older teaching pro, he say just watch hogan tv spot, when he explain what the swing is, all body, arms stuck on the sides and he start turning and turning then let the arms go it looks nice.
Since those lessons, I have not been able to do anything I’m very bad and I was a 80 and 75 every time I play now I shoot that on the front 9, I’m digging back to mental notes and notes I had from my first teacher who got me mid 70’s.
I’m a very handsy player a feel player, he say the hands just hold the club they do nothing the body takes care of it, anyways I keep trying to find my natural swing again
That reminds me I need to cancel my next lesson lol😂
LOL well I am sorry you seemed to have been caught up with a pro that teaches methods and not your motions. This is a shame and I am sorry. Hopefully you can recover and use your mechanics on what was given to you. If you are a handsy player, so be it, but try your best to find a professional with open methods and is educated enough to help you out. I appreciate your comment and best of luck.
Impressive review of Hogan's swing. He held on for dear life.
Thanks Bobby! Appreciate the comment
My downswing is alot like hogans with regards to the shallowing and holding it off as i have a huge problem with hitting right(left hander),no chance i could the the club as far out as he gets it on the backswing though
It sounds like that swing which for you is an anti hook is doing it’s job. May consider loosening the connection between the arms and body, and learn to release the club more with hands as it sounds like your body turn may be lacking due to your current swing consistently blocking. Hope that helps! Thanks for the comment!
Keeping my right elbow connected to my body makes it so much easier to get back to the ball, hold my release to get shaft lean, just make sure to keep the left shoulder moving, works great for 1/2 and 3/4 back swing shots, it also improved my short game a lot.
That’s great to hear! Whatever works for you and is repetitive
A lot of the greats have a unique swing. John Daly coiled his club back real far, almost like Ben did, which is rare to see from bigger players like John. John could hit it a country mile. But he lost a lot of tournaments trying to do so. Ben Hogan is definitely one of the greats
New subscriber, by the way. I really like your channel.
Thank you kindly for the comments and the subscription. There is a John Daly breakdown I did here about a week ago if you are interested. I appreciate your support and words!
@liongolfacademy Absolutely. I will watch it now. Thanks.
@@billbkr32ify Thanks! Enjoy!
Totally disagree with this - the fundamentals are there in his book its the same today as it was yesterday.
I accept your disagreement as opinion! 😆 thanks for watching and for the comment!
Ben Hogans golf swing will work for everyone. The problem is that instructors who claim to teach what Hogan did, have not done the research necessary to understand exactly what Ben Hogan did in his golf swing, not to mention the singular intention required to initiate the Ben Hogan golf swing. Ben Hogan's golf swing is based upon science, based upon facts.
Belief is based upon people accepting answers from a book or books, to questions they do not know the answer to. Not based upon facts that can be debated, but belief in things that do not exist, existentially but only in peoples heads; these beliefs have and will, always end in WAR, as we see once again today in the middle east. Yes regretably, there are far too many, golfers and golf instructors who also have beliefs, ...like religions not based upon facts.
Science has proven all modalities of golf theories have worked including Ben hogans swing. His swing is just a swing and in my opinion shouldn’t be considered a theory. We can arguably break down every professional golfer and consider it a theory on its own. The golf swing is so complicated because it is limited to the individual. The problem is we are approaching it with science and not allowing the individualistic development of our host to be considered. Thanks for the comment! Much appreciated.
If you consider Ben Hogans golf swing and accomplishments not different than every professional golfer, why all the youtube video. I know, Ben Hogan sells video.
Creativity (BS baffles brains) does not replace science.
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The thing is not in the details but the aesthetically pleasing nature of his creation. I wonder if there’s anyone on tour (only people good enough) that resembles Hogan while swinging?
Thanks for the comment. Yes his swing does look great doesn’t it? Off the top of my head I cannot think of anyone at the moment who’s swing is close to his, I am sure there are some that share a few things. The problem I see however in the golf instruction works is trends at set based on your motions, everyone on your is a freak of nature. We should be focused on teaching the average golfer watching who has a family, job, limited practice time, etc. I did my thesis for my masters on such a swing and it’s quite the opposite of what is trying to be taught today. It involved an outside-in path, open club-face, limited body rotation, weaker grip, and a few minor changes. It is tailored to the average golfer, which after research is found out to be someone who plays a few times a month, has limited flexibility, Middle Aged, etc.
@@liongolfacademy I agree totally. The upper echelon of golfers have had instruction all their lives and without worry of affording it. Nice work if you can get it but not the norm. For most of us it’s work but that thought of playing up to what we have always had in the back of our minds still lingers. Why, I don’t know. I went to Scotland by myself because of it. Twice! It’s been a good life and the “Game” has given me so much not in consistent play but in the way I conduct myself. Honesty, morality and competition has flowed from it. Now, I can still swing it. I know it’s in there and that part isn’t relegated to just me. Many people who are now older have always thought secretly that they could be a player if. That’s where I would concentrate my instruction. Thanks for the comment and the time.
You are welcome and thanks for the dialogue!
I was playing okay until I tried to copy hogan's golf swing. My game went down hill very fast. 😂
😂 sorry to hear that lozza! Hopefully you made some sort of recovery! Thanks for the comment
@@liongolfacademy love your videos. Thank you. Keep them coming.
I appreciate that very much! I enjoy doing them and glad you enjoy them
what game?
mine too... took me many years.. never gave up.. Now, i feel like i have it. It now feels like up n down and all body parts connected. Problem was the release.. This took a while to trust what he said in his five lessons..amazing part is ball striking and flight n distance.. Also amazing is that the same swing applies to the short game
disagree.
Ask Larry Nelson about Hogan's 5 Fundamentals.....(1983 US Open)
If you want to take the path "You can't do what Hogan did".....you completely miss the fact he bent his irons 4 degrees flat. He also had an unusual build (5' 9" with a 35" sleeve)
Pull his arms down? Hogan said it was the hips that brought the hands into the hitting area..... no pulling down mentioned.
All good ball strikers have the elbow at impact like Hogan.
And, you take one swing......did you ever think he might have been playing a fade for that specific shot?
Five fundamentals is a book about his belief of his golf swing. The issue with the book is it was his belief based on his feel, not facts. When you describe feel in the golf swing in can be interpreted multiple ways and is usually not the factual way the swing occurs by the one feeling. It is his unique build (much like all of our unique builds) that shows that no one should be emulating his swing like we have so many attempting to do so. You may not agree with my analysis and that is fine, the whole point of this channel is to educate viewers to not copy anyone’s swing, concept, modality, theory, style, etc. because much like Hogan we are all unique and don’t fit into a mold. Merry Christmas!
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Gary Player tried to swing like Hogan...he did okay.
Larry Nelson, as mentioned.
Bob Toski, Jerry Barber.....just to name a few.
There are many takeaways from Hogan. Some might find copying him exactly the proper path. Others may not. But to suggest..."don't try" I think is off base. IMO. Happy New Year.
@bjohnson515 “tried” to swing is different that swinging like him. Not many have done nor can. The title of the video is why “you” should not, as this Hogan lore has destroyed more swings than helped. I see it first hand on the lesson tee and it’s typically those that are not educated enough in the cause and effect of this. 99.9% of golfers do not have the talent, time, or lifestyle to attempt to swing like this and produce consistency. Now that doesn’t mean you can’t learn from it, but I promise you I have had so much more success with amateurs teaching the opposite of his 5 fundamentals. Best of luck and merry Christmas!
Using Ben Hogan’s swing is perfect if you suffer from low screaming duck hooks. He was a GREAT player but his technique will make your slice worse if that’s already your shot pattern.
💯 percent. Thanks for the comment as too many Ben Hogan fans swear by his swing and copy his swing only to show up to a lesson shanking, topping and slicing.
well, the pic at 04:45 gives away his secret. you can see that the index finger part of his right hand is white. this shows that he is pressing the index finger side of his left hand towards his right hand in the transition. in the video he tells us to watch for what "starts the club club back"; and, there it is.
Thanks for the comment
@@liongolfacademy thanks for that, i've tried to follow your vid the best i can; but, the sentences are very long and unpunctuated. i do agree, though, that hogan moved into the shot with the left side of his head in the start of his downswing. but, hogan, didn't tuck his right elbow in towards the top of his backswing; or, pull down with his elbow in the the start of his downswing. any such move would be totally incorrect, anyway. when you study his swing here: ua-cam.com/video/MaR14Dru9i4/v-deo.htmlsi=JyFL9h6Q3KKqiu2c and you use the tool to slow his swing down, you can see that his right elbow lowers as the club keeps moving back- towards the top of his backswing. If a player actively lowered their elbow towards their right side, the club would not continue back, it would start down. hogan, just simply keeps pushing back with his wrist joint, at the top of his backswing, when he can't push back with it any further. this increases wrist cock and lowers the elbow. it's fairly basic really. in effect, his left hand is pressing against his right hand as he does this. this fuses the hands. this then enables him to start his downswing by pressing the index finger side of his left hand towards his right hand. this activates the "inside muscles" in his right arm, which moves his elbow down. it's that simple. no conscious, or active, movement with his elbows, left or right.
Thanks for your opinion. As many have tried to dissect his and many others swings I can tell you the only one who felt his swing is him. However his feel isn’t real as demonstrated with his 5 fundamentals book. What he thought and preached was the secret factually doesn’t occur in his swing. The whole premise of this video is to demonstrate that no one should replicate anyone’s swing as more often than not it ends up in frustration. Sure there are traits the greats share but every swing is unique in its own based on the talent, body makeup, and ability. Thanks again for the comment!
Well, yes; but, there are some very good things in five lessons: gripping the club under the heel pad of the left hand, that the hands should fuse together and work as one unit, the "inside muscles", the downwards rotation of the left hand in the waggle; and, this: "the backswing does not alter the pattern of the waggle". i.e "as ye waggle so shall ye swing". Forget the rest. But, the simple fact is this: the secret to golf is that the extensors in the little finger side of the hand (extensor extension) control the club in the takeaway; and, the in the start of the downswing the index finger side of the hand establishes control. Control of the club with the left hand is not a constant. There is a transitional shift in the way the hand controls the club, in the transition
@@DASH1ful That "secret" you mention may apply to some people, but in order to execute that hand motion you are describing the body positioning must be there as well. I will let you know there are no secrets in the game of golf, no gimmick to assist you, no magic move, no inside trader secrets to speak of. The game of golf has been around close to 2,000 year originated in China, and the golf swing has done little to evolve in that time. The only true evolvement was when the steel shafts were invented to allow a more connected motion as the shaft could finally keep up with rotation. In other words, every one is unique, and beware of those preaching a method or secret, in my opinion its just snake oil.
If you look in slow motion at some of the positions he is getting into throughout his swing I would say that over 99% of people out there playing could literally never duplicate them. He's got some of the most supple wrists in history to get them to hinge like that. Guys like Hogan, Rickie Fowler and Sergo Garcia somehow are able to get massive wrist hinge in their downswings and it's great if you're able to do that but almost nobody can.
So true. The entire tour history of players are all freaks of nature and we should simply be in awe of all their positions and have no business in teaching them or trying to replicate them. Thanks for the comment you are 100 percent correct!
If you keep your arms and hands passive during the downswing and use your legs and body to drive through the ball, your wrists stay cocked on the downswing much much longer and will release due to the centrifugal force applied. Getting the wrist to cock that much on the backswing is another story however 🤣
It is possible, but it really comes down to ball position and it’s relationship with your spine angle. If any of it shifts your hands needs to go sooner to hit the ball. Thanks for the comment I appreciate it!
@@liongolfacademy spine angle has to tilt during the swing. No good ball striker keeps it constant.
You are 💯 percent correct. It has to tilt, the tilting is all relative to the ball position, weight transfer, arm planes, and rotation. Some of us tilt inefficiently but ball position plays a huge role on the tilting axis.
Ben Hogan's hands do not release at impact to square the clubface to the inside of the ball. His body turn squares the clubface as his hands, keep opening the clubface as far as and as much as he could....that eliminated any possibility of pull or pull/hook. This is way, trying to follow bad instruction may ruin your game.
Every gold instructor tells you to release your hands to square the clubface, so of course you will pull and pull /hook, especially under pressure (flight of flight), when your dominate hand will take over and left the ball will go(for right hand swingers).
Thanks for the comment yes Ben Hogans swing was built for anti left. It will work for someone with similar build and history. I personally think good instructors will work with what the student has based on their lifestyle, goals, history, mechanics, and talent and work from there. Release works as well for certain students but should not be lumped in for all. The issue I have with the world of instruction is that using “the five fundamentals” or any theory for all students is wrong. The golf swing is functional from any position and any style. What you have to avoid is hive mentality where someone is preaching a certain method for all, much like religion, there are 1,000 gods but only one is correct in all believers eyes.
The hogan fascination is so bizarre. Why not copy Sam Snead or Gay Brewer, or Lee Trevino
I do agree. I think honesty some teaching professionals create this myth and lore about Hogan and over the generations it just keeps spreading. Much appreciate the comment and support!
@@liongolfacademy ……You have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of Hogans 5-Lessons. As demonstrated by yourself have ZERO UNDERSTANDING of how true ACCELERATION is created. It’s all in 5-Lessons if you can understand Hogans thought process. Best of Luck, but you have literally no chance. Hogan wasn’t just going to hand-it to idiots like you.
We also have to factor how very "committed" Hogan was to his golf...EVERYTHING/EVERYBODY took a back seat. He wasn't called The Wee Iceman because of his engratiating personality. Sammy had a far better golfswing and it didn't require hours upon hours on the range to keep it tight. Sammy and many others could "turn the corner" with a full release and not worry about left field.
💯… thanks for the comment you are so right!
Well it is pretty obvious why…..There has never been a human being that hit the golf ball more reliably and accurately with power than Ben Hogan. There is no possible argument to refute as such. He simply had the greatest golf swing ever manufactured. Hence any intelligent man would use Hogan as the benchmark. If you have a serious goal for greatness and are willing to put in the work he is the man to emulate.
well... This has been going on forever. Anyone who failed to swing like hogan.. thinks its impossible for everyone else. NOW.. The right side swing is a fade swing (its a dogleg right hole).. The left side is a demo swing.. thats like apple and pineapple comparison/analysis.. there is much more to it.. thats why it seems impossible.. OR.. its exactly what is told in the five lessons.. but, noone will do it step by step and understand that its a chain reaction.. doing half does not achieve anything..
If you take 1M golfers and taught them all the same swing, it may work for some of them, I can teach them all Tigers swing, or Hogan's swing, and it will work for the select few. The problem is when people are trying to swing through methods that don't work for their body makeup or limitations. There are ZERO swing theories or methods that you can apply for everyone, we are all unique as a fingerprint and our swings must be treated as such. The lore with Hogan's swing is very misunderstood, his swing he create over the many decades was designed to fight hooks. Thanks for the comment!
well stretch, workout and then use the almost perfect swing from the greatest ball striker there ever was except for moe norman!!! golf is the hardest game in the world, you think it was meant to be easy? all weekend golfers dont want to practice, they just want to play once a week or month and expect to get better just beacuse you watched some youtube video,lmao!!!
You got that right!
This analysis is horrible. The film is wonderful. Look beyond being Ben Hogan and look to base fundamentals in every good golf swing. The main reason Hogan fought off a hook is because he made an underhand throwing action with his right arm. An underhand throw of the golf club head has the side effect of closing the club face, without ever having to try to close the clubface. So, hooking the golf ball can be a big problem, but is managable. Pay particular attention to the right elbow position, that it is not always positioned in front of the right hip, but is more into his right side. It may end up in front of the hip at some point, but upper arm to his side is what is important. Also, left hip turn did not position his weight on his left side, as the weight was already there. Also, left hip turn followed the right elbow, as the right upper arm and right elbow move first. So, in my opinion, the right upper arm starts down toward the right side before the left hip turn, the left hip then pulls the hands through the hitting area. The left hip turn feels like it pulls the hands, not the right elbow, in the downswing. The elbow drop into the right side establishes the downswing plane, hands down from the top. Upper arms up and off of the body in the backswing establishes the backswing plane, hands high. The average golfer can do all of the base fundamental moves. Think: Swing underhanded!! Hogan's swing was ssentially a powerful underhand throwing motion with a big assist from the body. Look at a softball pitcher to get an idea. Hand goes high in the wind-up, then swings around to low and then through to a release. The body adjusts to the needed arm movements and assists with power. This is how I see it.
Thanks for the feedback, I really tried to understand the opinion but found it tough to keep up with your explanation. Could you reword it or even better make a video and send it to me? I’m interested in finding your opinion on the matter. Thanks for the comment!
@@liongolfacademyI edited my reply to hopefully make it more readable and understandable. Of course, it's just my opinion. I think that an underhand throwing motion of the club head with the golfer in good balance is a good golf swing.
I’m still not too sure if I understand all of this as you relate feel in your explanation. As soon as you say “feel” that is irrelevant as feel is not real. In terms of underhand I have never seen and overhand golf swing, it is all underhand motion as we are tilted. The basic concepts of Ben hogans swing is not replicable as his ball position is directly related to his release and those patterns are very hard to replicate unless you have his exact setup bend, arm length, and Torso relationship. The things you mention about hogans swing is nothing new or revealing but do sound very cookie cutter when discussing hogans swing. He fought the hooks earlier in his career and that swing on the video is a result of his compensations for the hook. HIS swing worked wonder for him, however I would highly not recommend attempting this as he himself didn’t do what he discussed in the five fundamentals. I don’t understand the lore of people obsessing over Hogans swing, his is a pretty high maintenance swing which is why he ever said the secret is in the dirt, as he had to practice religiously to maintain that motion. Best of luck to you! Cheers!
@@liongolfacademy I appreciate the video, your analysis, and the replies. When I see videos like this, with all of the lines, and scientific approach, I wonder how it ever came to this deep analysis. If one point you are making is that no two golf swings are alike, I totally agree. Hogan's book always struck me as swing notes that he made to himself as he was learning about, and developing, a swing that worked for him. So, he himself would admit that he started off not knowing much about a golf swing, and that he learned, wrote it down, and then the book. Most all amateurs start not knowing anything about the golf swing, and then somehow learn, in their own way, how to hit the ball and get it going at the target somehow. This is where Hogan was in the beginning, but he must have been very good from the beginning. He just didn't know what it was that he was doing. So, amateurs and teachers study Hogan because he has been there and has done it, and he wrote it down. There is no way that what he came up with can be followed to the tee. However, there are some base fundamentals that work for everybody.
Please keep in mind the nature of this channel, the whole point of every video in here is to help the student in education of the true reality for all students, cause and effect. Not 1,2 plane, stack and tilt, square to square, rotational, traditional, etc. etc. I’m trying to help the watcher realize that everyone is unique and the only true way to get a more replicable motion is to address the individual’s tool, which is their body. Three areas in the golf swing play an important role in the golf swing but in almost all UA-cam golf videos on instruction they seem to always address 2 of them, the fundamentals, and the principles of the golf swing, but rarely is preferences ever discussed. The issue is it takes preferences and fundamentals to create your principles. No principles are alike. I hope that made sense! I am not concerned if people agree or disagree with my interpretation of someone’s swing, I am just concerned in assisting them with education on cause and effect. Thanks again!
If you try to copy Hogan and fail in copying him, it wont work.
No kidding.
BUT, if you do actually copy him, it does work.
and several have done it.
If your point is "It is tough to copy him, and most people can't", that is fairly obvious also
Please write a list for us to see who has copied his swing successfully. Would love to see it!
Larry Nelson, Jason Dufner, George Knudson, Gary Player, Gardner Dickinson, Jerry Barber, Bob Toski, ...
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Not one of those individuals swings like hogan. You may be confused with sharing similarities that most elite golfers have. This is a common misconception amongst amateurs.
Each one used Hogan as a model, ie tried to copy him. That is the discussion isnt it? No one duplicated exactly, but to say these guys did NOT "try to copy" Hogan is to close your eyes. And they all said so. @@liongolfacademy
@bjohnson515 the problem is you are comparing elite golfers with elite golfers. Hogans move is shared with tons of them at the top, does this mean they all copied him or is it just something the elite share in common regardless of they said they attempted to copy him. Even Hogan felt as though he did something but did not factually. The issue is when amateurs fall for a “secret” of his where there really isn’t one. His move is a combination of moves to fight a rope hook that plagued him in his earlier years. Over the decades of instructing amateurs I have never run into one of them that benefited from trying to copy his swing, on the contrary we have spend countless of hours trying to undo the damage.
I always suffered from a severe h00k Watched Hogan's Swing face on. He does not have any shaft lean to speak of. So I tried it with everything. And I stopped hooklng I don't know if that was his secret, but it sure is how it worked for me Having said that I would not teach this swing to someone
If you did have shaft lean your club face may have been closed with a path that was left of your target which will cause a hook/rope hook. Could have been your grip and forward press, may have been your release, could have been dozens of things that caused this but I am glad that it worked out for you! Nothing worse than the uncontrolled hook!!
Five fundamentals of golf. Second best book for golf swing. Harvey Penicks lil red book . Read em find what works . Stop listening to these nuts
Love Harvey Penick, his green and black books are great too but most don’t know they exist. Everyone who plays this game is a little nuts which is why we all can relate so much. Thanks for the comment