Despite disagreeing with a good amount of his views, Bernie Sanders is a very respectable human being and he does things that other democrats often do not dare, try and have productive conversations with those who will likely disagree with him, or even be a little hostile to him. I was at Liberty University, when Bernie Sanders was invited to come speak. He knew that he couldn't connect to voters on issues like abortion on a majority Christian campus, but he tried to find common ground. We need more politicians who operate like this.
Well given a lot of your fellow evangelicals voted for Trump despite the obvious fact that his personality, behavior, and personal history are in many ways the antithesis of their core beliefs, fielding more candidates like Bernie is unlikely. Furthermore, the fact that they supported and voted for a convicted felon, malignant narcissist, and pathological liar basically undermines any moral high ground they claim and exposes the hypocrisy in their arguments.
That is the power of intellectual consistency and moral conviction, the only substitute is shamelessness. When smart progressive people turn towards the center, they give those things up and look dishonest and therefore they fear confrontation. Bernie believes everything he says so what does he have to fear.
Hard to make the argument that you’re saving democracy while you don’t let the people pick the candidate. The party is losing ground because people are done with neoliberals. The libs of the party constantly shive any real leftists leaving only unpopular options.
Yep neoliberalism is dead and identity politics hurts them more than it helps them. They need to get back to basic pro labour economic and healthcare policies.
@@misatobestgirl7230 Oh no I hope they do continue to ONLY focus on the tiny .1% of people in lieu of you know the rest of the 350+ million people. They are our best player
Imagine thinking Leftists are what America needs after a complete rightward shift in the electorate and Bernie Sanders getting less of the vote in Vermont compared to Kamala. Leftism is dead. Center Right Liberalism is the only path forward.
Realistically, a primary would have resulted in a Newsom or Shapiro, not a Sanders. Biden won the last primary because he had a mass appeal, not just progressives. It's yet to be proven that a true progressive can win the dem primary, much less than the general election.
Yeah they're done with liberals but they're not done with people who want to be authoritarians and oppressors, this country is fu.ked up in more ways than you can even imagine and we are going to be in for a ride of di.sg.usting hate and bigotry
Here's an idea for the DNC: instead of listening to the pundit class (like Ezra Klein and MSNBC), try listening to the people. Start here. Read the comments. Get a clue.
I agree but to be fair to specifically this piece I do think Ezra gets a good amount right here. But it's baffling to me that he can't see that Kamala would not go left on anything and constantly got pulled right, it clearly lost her voters and you can see that with the voter turnout numbers.
@@ryanstone2676 what does "go left" mean to you? Because the party has lost it's way on the woke BS like Trans men taking up women's spaces on sports teams, immigration, giving assistance to illegal migrants while ignoring the needs of actual citizens, ignoring the misogyny and real threat of radical Islam (esp from "palestinians") race, identity politics ad nauseum. I'm a progressive on economic policy. but progressives have lost me on all of the woke bs.
@@ryanstone2676 And she did "go left" in terms of offering black men entrepreneurs $$$ (but not the rest of us! how effing RACIST can you get???!!!) This party is so lost with the identity politics. I'm politically homeless and so are a LOT Of us because of this shite.
Don't forget anti-free trade with non-peer worker rights economies. Free trade shouldn't be a tool to lower labor costs while betraying your own people.
Are you talking about the guy that folded for Hillary Clinton? Mr ‘ forget about the emails’ ? That dude got paid off to keep his mouth shut and to go with the program Trump would have tore him a new one, too.
A huge chuck of voters are currently struggling financially and are willing to ignore Trumps disqualifying traits and just vote for a change in government.
@@Occam31When people are sick of the status quo they’ll take a chance on change. Any change. Democrats had someone to capitalize on this, and his name was Bernie Sanders. They did everything possible to quash him and ensure their defeat with business-as-usual candidates.
@@Occam31If you are wrong will you admit it? If Trump's policies actually work, will you say you were wrong and support the Republicans? I'm guessing you won't and you're just being intellectually dishonest.
"Amazing on the stump. Killer in debates." -Ezra Klein If only you'd admit your blind, then you would see. The hope this would shake people into life and out of death is great. Yet many will continue to have ear to hear and not hear. Eyes to see and not see. Ezra speaks words that sound good, yet are hollow as anything Kamala spoke both in debate and on the stump: empty.
She was right about some things about Trump, but that’s doesn’t mean that anyone with the name “Cheney” is a good messenger. Dick Cheney endorsed Harris… hello? Nobody wants to hear form Dick Cheney wtf.
@@vhufeosqap She withheld exculpatory video evidence from American citizens. She should be prosecuted along with every other member of that Kommittee.
Nobody who remembers G.W. Bush's presidency has any love for Dick Cheney, and Liz Cheney is probably just as popular. It was insane to brag about her their endorsement of Harris. They're neocon war mongers. And democrats didn't seem to understand that Republicans cast the neocons out. That's the whole idea behind MAGA. I kind of hope democrats never learn their lesson, it's funny seeing them act so clueless, but it's also sad and pathetic.
I thought it was so crazy that Harris didn't go on Rogan, especially when he had gone out of his way to defend her in the Trump interview when Trump said she would never go on a show like Rogan. It just made him seem correct
We see this in a lot of countries that fall into right-wing populism, like Argentina, Italy, or Hungary. Let's use the Yellow Vest Protests in France as an example. That was a left-wing social movement equivalent to Occupy Wall Street in the United States. When you have centrists like Trudeau, Macron, and Obama that prevent left-wingers from enacting change, _that_ momentum shifts to the right. Case in point: The Bernie-to-Trump pipeline. Jimmy Dore, Ana Kasparian, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, the Red Scare girls, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Rogan, RFK Jr. and Theo Von. This is *literally* what happened in the 1930s in Germany, Spain, and Italy, although I don't want to be melodramatic and suggest Trump will carry out the same actions. Trump also implemented some proposals from the 2013 RNC autopsy.
Some left-wing content creators complained about this as well, but more that right wing politicians will go on a UA-cam or Twitch channel to be heard by their intended audience while the DNC candidates are behind the times and ignore these same people to their detriment. I think AOC goes on some shows (like Hasan), but mainly plays video games when she does.
You know, she could have gone on and failed. I am sure she desired the positive exposure but feared the risk of a negative outcome. Just like Trump and a second debate really. Campaigns have to make these calculations. Personally I don't like Harris's manner in discussion. She may have made the right decision to stay off. The right personality to go on Rogan would be someone with charm and self-confidence who can be witty and who is also smart. Obama would have been a big hit there. I suspect Trump just did his usual lies/insults/boasts act. but I guess he did just enough to get credit for turning up.
Overall a good postmortem, disagree with the idea that nikki haley would outperform trump. If america wanted her, then they would have chosen her in the primary, folks are tired of out-of-touch bureaucrats.
Who cares what labels (identity checkbox) you put on people or yourself? No one should do what I listed up there as long as one wants to be a decent human being who peacefully coexists with other decent human beings. Name calling can’t replace reasonable conversation.
Yeah that's not exactly a blessing though. Imagine it happened to you: you didn't ask for it, you now have to campaign for 3 months to stop fascism, everyone is going to hate and slander you, and if you fail everyone will blame you for Trump winning
Elites like Ezra are so out of touch, it's exactly why the Democratic party finds itself in this situation. Democrats are too focused on pleasing people of this archetype.
Not a good gift though. It's like they threw her out there with nothing to run on? I think the DNC got complacent here and assumed people would vote for her or maybe they just gave up. I did not see much from her other party members though. Meanwhile the RNC does plenty to back up Trump or help him have talking points (which he barely uses anyway). He doesn't have to answer about his policy since Vance or any number of republicans will do it for him.
She got gifted the BIDEN campaign with 4 months to run it. Got gifted the driver's seat of a truck rolling downhill towards a cliff. Granted, she was in the passenger seat when Biden was driving it. So, yknow, just abject failure from the Dems all around. Don't let them distract you by focusing on Trump winning when the out of touch neoliberals lost the Dems this election. Hard.
Basically agree. Trump made it through the establishment by not going away and brute force. I do think if Bernie had done something similar with his movement, where he just refused to go away and figured out how to stay in the news cycle he might have accomplished the same. However, Trump being Trump keeps him in the news, not his policies. Berne is a policy guy, and that only keeps you in a news cycle briefly.
@@jbsmoov1911 Keep in mind Bernie has an actual day job as Senator. Trump just got to sit on his ass for 4 years, play golf and tweet. He had all the free time in the world.
Trump is literally on camera saying he’s against overtime pay and praising Elon for firing people when they strike … yet those same people voted for trump all the same … all that to say is, clearly working class people don’t care if you support working class issues… I have my theory as to why they voted for trump but your theory of the case is clearly incorrect when you consider the evidence
@@toddjohnson271 The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start Program, Civil Rights Act, Financial Aid for Higher Education Loans, Welfair Expansion Act, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, American Rescue Plan Act
And men. Social media is fascinating right now too. Telling men they’re pigs, they need to not be alive anymore, women telling women they’re should divorce their husband who voted Trump and even daughters disowning their fathers and mothers. I respect they’re upset but entertaining and expressing sentiments like that will create a chasm that will take decades for any party to heal.
This is such an idiotic argument. Why do you think Trump gets endorsed by all the top-1% most wealthy billionaires? He is going to f*ck the middle- and working classes for the sake of the paypal mafia, Musk and Bezos. They will get the taxes cuts and you will be at the receiving end of the tariffs and the ensuing tariffs war. What a moronic population
Bernie polled higher than the other candidates, both Democrats and Republicans, in 2016. If the Democrats had allowed Bernie to run, how different would the outcome have been? It was clear the electorate at large did not want a status quo candidate. But the tone-deaf Democrats ran the very worst example of a neoliberal corporate candidate and created a Trump presidency. Ya, we know. She was promised the gig back in 2012. That's what is wrong with the party and why they continue to lose.
Respectfully Ezra, I think sitting behind a desk can be isolating, and I think it can narrow your perspective. You say policy doesn't matter, and yet popular policies by the Kamala campaign were either discarded or never pursued, and policies that the Tony Wests of the world find palatable were lauded. You don't become a candidate of change by promising tax breaks for small business owners, you just don't. And at a time when people are so dissatisfied with the current candidate that he had to drop out, to associate yourself with said candidate is just straight up terrible political insticts from Kamala. The left of the party has been screaming from the rooftops about how much they are missing people, and yet it fell on deaf ears in favor of appealing to donors. I hope the lesson democrats take is that this is where that gets you.. You really need to interview Astead. I believe he has the most accurate and convincing autopsy of this failed campaign and of where the democratic part was prior to this loss, that I've heard. The fact that you weren't seeing this one coming, should tell you here how your point of view might be out-of-touch, because many of us did.
@ Be that as it may, allow me the stage for a moment. Liberal policies such as transgender bathrooms in school, the library "thing", and gay marriage forced into religion poked the hornets nest. You can't argue with a swarm of angry Hymenoptera's (yeah, I looked it up); better to understand what makes them tick and find a way to pacify them. What we've got now is a nationwide hornets swarm and they're pissed due democratic overreach (us). Though I'm college educated my job forces me to mingle with Joe six-pack- we are missing the ball by a country mile.
When I wonder why the dems lost I can’t help but think back to a report I saw on cnbc a couple years ago. They were talking about formerly blue counties in Iowa and Pennsylvania and asking what can the dems do to win them back. At one point they brought a Democratic Party strategist on the program and asked her what can/are/should dems do to get back these areas? To which she responded with basically “that would be really hard so we are going to focus our efforts on Haitian women”. For years dems have been abandoning former democratic strongholds and chasing smaller groups in other places. Like you said Ezra they have been shrinking their tent then acting surprised when they find out the people they left outside are going elsewhere to find shelter.
Right across the anglosphere - the working class has been moving towards conservative parties for nigh on four decades, to such a degree, that it is now almost a major part of their base. That ship has sailed. Anyone who tries to do anything to address inequity is classed as a "commie" (especially in the US). Very difficult for any centrist party anywhere to make that a major plank of their platform.
That goes for news delivery and communucations/video hosting platforms, too. Liberals don't have nearly the stranglehold on public discourse they did 5 years ago.
I wish people would stop talking in just percentage of votes cast and look at the absolute vote numbers. Trump may end up with fewer votes than in 2020. Harris is missing more than ten million votes that went to Biden in 2020. In the end, people just stayed home.
They lost due to not listening to all the warnings repeatedly you're going the wrong way, stop the BS and would not. So the American People Rose United and Fried Then. Took away the White House, Senate, Congress Why lack of Trust due to their actions! They forgot who their boss is and showed them! We don't have to put up with you! NEXT and warn you we will be watching!
That's only part of the story. The bigger picture includes significant shifts toward Trump across almost every voting bloc-except for college-educated white women-compared to 2016 and 2020.
Yeah interesting that. Looks more like 20 million "missing" votes. You know- the more than registered voters votes from 2020 . Perhaps they couldn't get access to cemetery records this time?
Asking the Democrats to be "curious" about what their voters are concerned about is a strange ask. They should "want" to know! Frankly, it is my opinion that they don't seem to care... and this is why they are losing. I am an older, severely disappointed Democrat; I'm ready to leave the party.
You're right. They seem to look at it as an issue of messaging, rather than reflecting on why they are so out of touch with the majority of their countrymen.
I voted for Bernie in 2020 much because I liked his honesty and belief in providing real solutions for working and middle class economic issues. I voted uncommitted against Biden in the 2024 primary because I had no faith in Biden winning or listening to the American people. I voted Harris in 2024 because I believe Trump will not work for the American people and will greatly harm the working and middle class. As a black man I’ve did my part to protect democracy, I’m disappointed. I pray for America, and I can only hope for the better. However I’m done with the Democratic Party.
I think this is the best comment I've read so far. When the Dems edge out Bernie in 2020, it was the beginning of this moment now. I've never been a democrat but there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go yet. America is deeply ignorant and racist. I don't know who can speak to this better than the dem party to make a better country for everyone.
I’m genuinely curious, how is voting for a party who didn’t have a real primary and put up a candidate no one voted for protecting democracy? Forgive me if that sounds blunt but i want to know what you think mate
@MinIanLC, 11 hours ago you said, "I pray for America, and I can only hope for the better. However I’m done with the Democratic Party" You know, prayers are not going to do it, and neither will hope. You need to go out and be the change yourself. Join a party that you are most aligned with and work to make it the best that it can be for ordinary workers in working and middle classes... Universal Healthcare would be a really good start. US healthcare costs almost exactly ten times as much per person as does healthcare in the European Union (the last time that I looked at the figures was about 12 to 18 months ago), and the health outcomes for the patient in the EU are better than those for the US people (even at one tenth of the dollar spend per person). It may well be the case that there needs to be somewhat of a redistribution of wealth in order to fund this (start by taking one tenth of a percent of the wealth of one tenth of a percent of the most wealthy) , but the economic windfall to the entire US would be palpable. Think of the stress that would be lifted of the collective shoulders of the people, and the positive benefit to people, and the entire nation, that would precipitate from that.
@@BrianRosborough Trump has called to suspend the consititution. He refused to accept the results of the election in 2020 and had his supporters mob the capitol, chanting that they should kill the vice president so he wouldn't certify the election. And you really have to ask about which candidate is a threat to democracy? You make it sound like the democrats just skipped the primary. We had a primary. The candidate withdrew. There was no time for a new primary, so the party rallied around the person endorsed by the candidate who withdrew. Further, parties can nominate a candidate however they want to, primary elections for presidential candidates didn't even happen in the US until 1968, having party representatives choose the candidate at the convention used to be the norm in both parties.
Contrary to what Ezra said her debate performance was a failure because she failed to specify what policies she would stand behind. Ezra is delusional.
@@mkearns60Exactly. Maybe she got a few petty jabs in at the right time, but that’s not debate. She exposed herself for having nothing of substance to say. A loss disguised as a win.
@@James-mk8jp Agreed. Even though Trump didn't perform well, people already knew what he was about, and he didn't need a strong performance as much as she did. That is why when he did lackluster, he just decided not to do any more of those debates. He didn't need it like she did.
No one will EVER SAY THE BLACK SWING VOTE SAT THIS ONE OUT! Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta...big city black population. Same with Hillary! We're tired of the dems taking us for granted!
@@ursamahan-worlds5726 that obviously happened. I blame that on Joe Manchin and Krysten Cinema who left the majority high and dry to be able to create any meaningful impact. Change around the edges wasn’t enough.
And also trying to sell us on someone being black who isn't. That caused the black vote here to swing. We know who is black and who isn't we dont' need a bunch of beta white wimps in pink shorts and blue hair to try to tell us who is black. We was looking at each other just laughing our asses off. Yeah man that's what black street n___s is going to ride with. Wimpy lil white doods with blue hair, yeah man smooth
Honestly they campaigned more in those areas than anywhere else. Kamela spent a whole lot of time in philly. They dont focus on rural people anymore. Stop focusing on race class, class, class.
@@Ken-jt9gntriple down on class. Race is and will be a major issue for Black Americans, but the white backlash is real. White folks would rather end democracy than share the wealth and privilege in this country. Fine. Game on. But for the good of the world, we have to end billionaire influence. MLK focused on economics. We need a new Bernie.
What the Dems need is to get rid of the right wing propaganda ecosystem if they can. It's the reason why so many people vote against their own interest.
We see this in a lot of countries that fall into right-wing populism, like Argentina, Italy, or Hungary. Let's use the Yellow Vest Protests in France as an example. That was a left-wing social movement equivalent to Occupy Wall Street in the United States. When you have centrists like Trudeau, Macron, and Obama that prevent left-wingers from enacting change, _that_ momentum shifts to the right. Case in point: The Bernie-to-Trump pipeline. Jimmy Dore, Ana Kasparian, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, the Red Scare girls, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Rogan, RFK Jr. and Theo Von. This is *literally* what happened in the 1930s in Germany, Spain, and Italy, although I don't want to be melodramatic and suggest Trump will carry out the same actions. Trump also implemented several proposals of the 2013 RNC autopsy.
It's hard for the side that's about endless bureaucracy and hyper government to put forward an actual populist leader. The larger the government the more oppressive it tends to get in the long term, which is antithetical to the people in general. So Bernie can claim he's a populist all he wants, but his policies would have only solidified the government's over reach in the long term.
We need a Bernie. As a college educated voter, I can speak confidently that Dems won't lose much of our votes if they want to fund functional services to our communities and treat health, environmental conservation, housing, education, and access to food as basic human rights. I will always be willing to pay more taxes for cheaper, more comprehensive services.
@Kevindukes198 i said this only to preface my opinion in the context of the Podcasters' statement that the Dems may be better served by listening less to college educated constituents. Also, that face is exactly what I look like in real life. How did you find a picture of me?
Yeah that's called communism, no thanks. That's not a winning strategy at all. You have a younger Bernie, her name is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and only lunatics like her. But go ahead get someone like that to run in 2028, see how it works for you.
But that's where you're wrong. People don't want to pay more for government services. They want to have enough purchasing power so they can access those services in the shape and form they wish in the free market.
I like Ezra’s use of the word curiosity. In general, most of us are not curious about how others are faring unless it’s the rich and famous. Democrats need to go back to their roots of representing working people. Leave Hollywood alone. Stop masquerading as Republicans. Democrats need to sit with everyday folk of all persuasions and hear how they are experiencing this post-pandemic inflationary economy. Bernie Saunders and Ralph Nader are calling it out now. Democrats have stood by gawking at the Republican train wreck, but look who’s winning. Time for Democrats to go back to the cave, do some soul-searching and retool. Darkness only lasts for a night. 😮
You know, it's unfortunate for him to be caught up in Harris' campaign, but I do think Walz was very good at this actually. So much better than Kamala was. I saw a lot of videos where he went and talked to a lot of everyday people about everyday issues and about how the economy was affecting them. Maybe Kamala just needed him to "balance out" her angle on things, but honestly, the direction was far more preferable.
Because that is 100% what it is. The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street were slowly coming together years ago, you could even see it at their rallies and on video, then the establishment noticed this, became terrified, and slammed a huge wedge between them and we've had this soft civil war since. Now people are waking up and realizing that despite some political differences we have infinitely more in common with each other than either of us do with the ruling oligarchy in this country. Trump recognized this over a decade ago, tapped into it, called it MAGA, fought tooth and nail since, and then two days ago had the most historic political comeback in American history.
November 7th: I’m a Harris supporter who, even before the Biden/Trump debate, favored replacing Biden. When Biden stepped down, I was 100% team Harris/Walz. I donated $ to the campaign, wore a Harris/Walz camouflage cap every day, mailed 200 postcards to NC, and consumed many hours of political podcasts. My 5-year-old granddaughter helped me fill out my ballot. We dropped it off together at the post office. I don’t regret my vote for Kamala. Yet, now, the fight has gone out of me. If the American people want Trump, good luck with that.
I hear you and understand your frustration. Take a break you deserve it, but never give up. It took years to get America to what it is today, it took years for women to get the right to vote, it took years for civil rights. Nothing worth having didn't require hard work. I get it, I'm angry too. It's part of the mourning process. But as long as there is still hope, we will always have a fighting chance. I believe that America is strong enough to weather this storm, I just hope there is not much irreparable damage. But we must work harder more than ever to get an actual populist in the white house in 2028. You know, assuming the orange idiot isn't serious about being a dictator. And there is always the hope of a massive heart attack.
Sometimes you try to be so diverse, inclusive, and empathetic that you can’t craft a coherent message. The Democratic Party should’ve been the working class party this cycle. Full stop. Everyone else could’ve get’d in where they fitted in. Right now, we’re the party of “let’s see who we can blame”. The other side knew what they were getting with Trump, good or bad. They were given the chance to CHOOSE him in the primaries. We need to stop the cycle of “it’s his/her/their turn”.
When we chose Bernie the powerbrokers in the DNC slapped us down. We dutifully voted for Biden last cycle because we were told to. This time we woke up and said your gonna have your give us more than threats and insults. You can’t build your campaign on just “fearing the other guy” and letting that give you license to cozy up to war mongers, court the rich and berate the poor, and generally abandon all the values that your base holds dear. It is time to reform. I hope you can learn this lesson.
Democrats are spread thinner than peanut butter on a cracker. They struggle with messaging. We used to be the party of working people. Period. Were glitzy and glossy. We’re Hollywood and we lose.😅
Also does not help when all Democrats strategy was " Trump Bad" and giving him more publicity and spotlight. I think people know Trump is unserious and an idiot ... liberals really thought that making fun of him for 4 years would be enough. They had 4 years to work with the working class, listen to the frustrations of their own base and stop alienating and shaming progressive left who will not "vote blue no matter what". The democrats ran on "vibes" with their cringy pandering during the DNC instead of actually talking about policies. I knew it was Joe-ver when their hail mary was getting an endorsement from friggin Cheneys smh.
The Democrats seem to be allergic to any sort of genuine introspection and I say that as a lifelong Democrat. There's a good chunk of hardcore libs that absolutely will just write off anyone that doesn't see things the way they do.
Seriously. This is proof that we're not going back... to a reasonable climate. Trump doesn't even matter when you consider that, even if he merely does nothing, it'll be impossible to recover and save the planet. Having children now should be seen as an act of cruelty.
More than a dozen issues ranked higher in importance in polling. There will have to be severe food inflation before people realize it’s the issue that matters most.
An unmentioned subtext of this election, and of right-wing wins around the world, is the REFUSAL to take the future seriously and plan for a post-petroleum paradigm (and EV's aren't it!)
There seems to be two big contradictions coming out of this election results for the Democrats. First, they needed to go more left to get more votes. Their center views cost them the election. Second, they did not appeal to the right wing on social issues they felt were important. I say this because I am struggling to see who really is right here?
Im quite right wing and a lefty friend of mine is basically single-issue "healthcare please". Many discussions with him and I cannot figure what the party Democrats even want. What was the healthcare vision for democrats this cycle? Pretend the ACA is fine and wonderful even when people obviously aren't happy with it, including many on the left who want universal healthcare. So if they cant commit to universal healthcare, force everyone to pay for insurance and be hostages to their employer? Enact universal healthcare in California, great, but then immediately open it to all illegals? My left wing friends want universal healthcare by Americans for Americans, and I think its better than the wishy-washy nonsense we have now. The party dems seem to have their heads in the sand.
@@thatokker9542 allow al carte insurance written across state lines. divorce it from your job. So you own it. Ever since government has been involved ( starting in the 1980s) its gotten nothing but worse and worse. The more they try to "fix" it The worse it gets. They need to stop and stay out of it at this point. They have BROKEN what was NOT BROKEN.
Could be my bias speaking, but a wing social agenda may help them. Even if the second part is wishful thinking, the first part isn't. One of the only things more and more citizens are agreeing on is p0p u l!sm and anti- 3s tabli! shment.
left and right are clumsy distinctions. this is what your comment means. Someone can be anti transgender rights and want fair taxations for the rich. framing it left right without even mentioning on which issues, cultural or economic, is unhelpful. And then, you also enter weird nuances. Like promoting self censorship in support of civil rights, is it left or right, illiberal or liberal on cultural issues? well it is a bit of both. the simple polarisation analysis quickly reaches its limits and a nuanced thought is needed.
The point that Harris was dealt a bad hand is not correct. Her only chance to be the candidate was to be placed there. Had Biden elected not to run, and had the Dems had a primary, Harris would have been eliminated from consideration fairly quickly. We don’t need to reshape the party. We just need to accept that Harris was not a good candidate.
Even if this is true that still doesn’t mean it was a bad hand. She lost more support in places she didn’t run ads, why? Because a lot of people didn’t like or dislike her, they didn’t know her.
_"We don’t need to reshape the party"_ The party not acknowledging Biden's decrepitude and rallying around getting him to be a one-term president is definitely at least partly to blame for the loss. Not admitting to themselves that Kamala was a bad candidate and finding a more suitable competitor to Trump was partly to blame. The focus on identity politics and TQ+ issues is to blame. The party definitely deserves plenty of blame.
the US is officially an authoritarian regime. Peter Theil / Vance are all pushing regime change. Republicans are gone too. They just don't know it yet.
Winning platform for the Democrats: 1: Universal Medicare/Medicaid 2: Enshrine protections for Unions in Law 3: Conditional overseas aid 4: Points/Skill-based immigration a la Australia 5: Enforced Federal minimum wage (and penalties for slave wages for illegal immigrants to prevent appeal of that) 6: Stop obsessing over cultural issues - focus on liberty not equity 7: Anti-trust on large corporations that engage in Monopoly or Oligopoly - esp. price fixing or price gouging
I think this is solid, I would add that Democrats should be alot more vocal in this internet age about how these policies can positively impact people's lives and craft a vision that people can easily receive and quickly understand. It also helps to stop being boring and talk plainly to people.
@@momo8200so in part, doubling down on progressivism? The same political philosophy that alienated so many voters away from Democrats in the first place?
I’m stunned (/s) that there was no mention of the media class as well as Harris really having no ability to form her own opinion without the approval of her campaign/party. People are tired of you telling them how to think when they hear the news. (Mind you I’m aware that Ezra is grouped under opinion). We’ve gone from fact based journalism to opinion based because the media class cannot allow the average person to form their own opinion anymore. Everything has to be spoon fed these days and that includes permission to believe in anything. Continue isolating the working class who just want to “work to live” and enjoy what they have, rather than to be a slave for a non living wage and the results will continue to speak for themselves.
I love how they talk about how awful George h w bush is, but forget that they all love him because he dosnt like trump. Acting like trump didn't just achieve something truly amazing. It was a landslide. He won every toss up. Cope.
They definitely aren’t interrogating their own deeply cherished values and preconceptions in the same manner they comfortably demand the rest of us do all the time. The cope, as you say, is real.
The fact that economic elites weren't held accountable for their crimes during the housing crash did not help. Even though Trump will hurt them financially, they just want change. If we are to survive as a country, we need to start real, concrete actions for the people. Voters know that what they want is not being acted upon. Bernie, was right, ignore the working class at your own peril. There is a real class struggle going on now.
Do democrat voters ever wonder why Billionaire wall street firms and other wealthy people would donate to a political candidate like Barrack Obama , Joe Bidem or Kamala Harris that demonize them as the reason nothing ever gets done in this country like free healthcare, childcare, free college tuition, infrastructure and so on and chastise all of them as selfish greedy people that made their wealth by exploiting less fortunate people and they need to pay their fair share and should be forced to pay more taxes. That's because those rich people know they will not be paying more taxes, and democrats know it too ! because Rich people have tax loop holes ,accountants to find tax shelters and how to manipulate the tax laws where they don't pay anything and if they own a business just pass the cost down to consumers in fees or raising the product price, Democrats know all that bt like saying tax the rich because it makes good political rhetoric that their voters eat up and plays into the victimhood mind set that is also a democrat sales pitch, Remember when the Hillary Clinton tried to attack Trump with He is a billionaire and pays almost nothing in taxes! Trump made her and all the other democrats look stupid saying , Yeah , I used all the same tax deductions you and everybody else uses, it would be dumb if I paid more taxes than I had to! If you dont like the tax codes, why dont you change them? You have been in government for decades and not changed any of them, after That we never heard a word about Trumps taxes.
@@ebrimajallow9631 Well, inviting the Cheney's to all but join the party certainly didn't help, so, what? Do they go even further to the right and alienate the rest of the left?
@ebrimajallow9631 Whats wrong with populism, making low information voters aware that these policies will help them by appealing to their emotions or their desires for convenience, higher wages, cheaper goods, etc. might be a winning strategy
The average trump voter thinks that he will lower gas and grocery prices and couldn't tell you what a tariff is, and you really think policy had anything to do with it? If "policy" means blatantly lying about stuff you can't do then yeah people seem to love trumps "policy".
@djbcubed the average harris voters thought she could do something about abortion. I got news for ya, there wasn't a damn thing she could do about it. That would be up to congress.
'Being curious, doesn't mean abandoning you values.' ...and there it is. Some values are worth abandoning. If you can't do that then you still haven't figured out what 2024 victory was really about.
@@SigFigNewton True, but I think the Left needs to go deep into more right leaning spaces and listen to what people there are talking about. There is a new almost universal disdain among a lot of "middle of the road" people for how aggressively, dishonest and vitriolic the Left wing "woke" activists have been in pushing their agenda on all fronts. Entertainment, education, government, corporations, all of them are playing from the same identity politics playbook. It's not just the message but how entitled, dishonest and smug they are in how they are pushing it. People are seriously fed up with it and desperately want to see these people get some payback after they have colonized and invaded so much in our culture.
Ezra thank you for articulating what Dems better learn going forward. You have to let the primary cycle run its course to find the candidate that meets the moment. Every 4 years too! Society is changing too fast.
They won't! They were fired for not listening to the repeated warnings you're going the wrong way. And not having a primary was only a small part. Their own turned on them for all the hardships and bonded with others to make the Majority and Shout YOUR FIRED ENOUGH! Lost the Sente, Lost the Congress again, Lost the White House And already spreading lies, hate just some of the same stull they were fired for. The American People has woken up and don't have time for babies in the sand box throwing sand and blaming others for it. We want and will go forward without them if need be just like life does you if need be!
@@jenniferoh4349 Ezra is wrong... it's the right wing propaganda ecosystem. It doesn't matter what the policy is they will say its bad, it doesn't matter who the candidate is they will say they hate you and American... Ezra can't see
This is all very well, but it tippy-toes around the elephant in the room, which is that there's a large minority of Americans who have become nasty & vicious because of social media. No one is saying it but it's true.
The MSM and the Biden administration have demonized the Right calling them NAZIS, Hitler, Fascists and racists. Hard to even meet in the middle when half the nation hears that daily and repeats it on social media.
talking down to working people and acting like middle America is just flyover country is not a winning strategy. Isn't exactly rocket science to know that you have to actually talk to people to under stand them, but that's the Dem party for you.
Thanks very much for all your hard work and dedication Ezra, from the UK the sense from my entire peer group is one of intense sadness, if perhaps not surprise, that more than 50% of Americans could invite this level of long-term self-harm. The truth is that on all the measures that count, we are the 51st state and this is going to impact our economy, foreign policy security and embolden the far right here. We had 200 ordinary citizens here just 1 mile from my home in Bristol a couple of months ago fighting hand to hand battles to stop the far right burning down a hotel housing asylum seekers. Thousands of ordinary people across the city turned out to counter protest and fight street battles for 12 hours with hundreds of far right extremists to drive them out of the city. The anger and vitriol driving the right and far right here comes from generations of people who's great grandfathers and grandfathers had well-paid blue collar jobs (of all ethnic groups) and were left behind in the shift to a finance-based service economy. They went from having pride in being socially working class (miners, steel workers, ship builders, auto workers, and factory workers) and economically middle-class , to being laid off in their millions over 20 years. I know - my great-grandfather, grandfather, uncles and cousins were coal miners and factory workers that got caught in the churn. My mum got out, went to London, found a toe hold in the new service economy and I am the first generation in my family history to be university educated. I truly love all my family, and my empathy runs deep, but some are enticed by the far right and would probably vote for Trump if they could. Many of the chilldren, grand-chilldren and great-grandchildren of that blue collar generation that had their aspirations cut short lost hope - and surviving on social security or minimum wage jobs- multiple generations have fallen under the spell of the far right blaming the 'other' and 'liberal elites' for their plight - instead of brutal career politicians who thought their forebears were just disposable units of productivity in the pursuit of 'progress'. I just got lucky by virtue of being the son of a mum that saw it coming and fought hard to give her children opportunity. My dad's father was a builder and was part of that aspiraional generation, my dad went from being a bricklayer to running a construction company and he instilled that aspiration in me to. The anger and frustration here of the 'forgotten' led to Brexit, UKIP, BNP, Reform Party, Tommy Robinson, Andrew Tate, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage - and now trying to burn down hotels housing scared human beings. As frustrating as it can be, you need to connect in a non-condescending and authentic way with that same demographic in the US where the same thing happened - tell the truth that they were let down, left behind and overlooked - communicate a credible plan to give them their respect and aspirations back, reach out to their chilldren, and bring them back to the light.
Calling Rogan a transphobe is why you and the NYT have no credibility anymore. This election proved that calling people names because of their views is a resounding failure! Keep it up!
Ezra, I seem to remember you leaning on Bernie to get out of the race. I think it’s fair to say your centrality to Democrat ideas makes you precisely the wrong person to talk about this. Please take a holiday. Maybe take up meditation or something. Come back in 2 or 3 years. Thanks.
I don't fault Kamala strictly by any means, I think this was largely and overwhelmingly about inflation and the "felt" economy. That said, I have never felt that she was much of a policy person; whenever asked about policy she gave bullet points and pivoted to "Trump bad". That doesn't communicate strong convictions about policies; also along those lines she was a different candidate this time than 2019 which just undermines her authenticity and credibility.
This isn't the case as of today its around 145 million voters that went to the polls and probably 245 million Eligible voters total nation wide. Its seems that Trump has gotten a simple majority. The Run up podcast host Aston Hedron has talked to people / potential voters on the campaign trail and alot of them seem to want change from the Establishment and didn’t like the economy while pretty much are uncaring about his targeting minorities in rhetoric.......it is what it is i guess....Biden was a dinosaur and the American populace has moved on from him ....this is the future now.
"Boys are boys from the beginning, girls are girls right from the start. Everybody’s fancy, Everybody’s fine. Your body’s fancy and so is mine. Girls grow up to be the mommies, boys grow up to be the daddies." ~ Mr Rogers
Thank you Ezra for a candid analysis of this election. I used to be Liberal, but moved a bit right, not becoming Conservative, as such, but becoming more honest about my own convictions, concerns and mores. I have no allegiance now and I favor neither party.
I give up on the democratic party. They have to stand for more than "Never Trump" and trans rights. The party has lost its way, it's losing its reliable voter base. The party needs to prioritize it's agenda and it needs COMPELLING leadership!
There is NOTHING wrong with the Democratic Party. It's the American voters and supporters of donald and his political cult. These MAGA people are no different from the Russians with their Stalin, the Japanese with their Emperor, the Italians with their Mussolini, the Chinese with their Mao... and don't forget... the Germans with their weird dude whose style was a pencil mustache! Cultists are just that... cultists! And history has been showing and proving their wrong throughout the history of mankind. NO MATTER what kind of leadership the opposition got... unless you go to war. ALL of these dictators and their regimes eventually got resolved by war. Period. Think of Saddam, Qaddafi... and then the current Putin!!!
He's actually not oblivious. He's lying. He's evil. Jon Stewart was on his show last week and said as much right to his face. It was a feel good moment.
I personally think people voted for change. Their personal financial situation is just so brutal and they casted out for someone (anyone!) who would help their lot. I do not believe they voted for Trump. The total voters this time around was smaller than 2020 by 10M. There isn't this enthusiasm for Trump that he would have you believe. People just weren't excited by either option. Still, in the end, they chose "change."
@@michaelf8221 My financial situation is better than it was 4 years ago. My 401k quit being either stagnant or just volatile like it was under Trump. I can't just think about what I'm getting today.
I absolutely disagree with Ezra here. We shouldn't live in a shadow of lies for the sake of "curiosity." It might seem lame to people, but the misinformation and disinformation in our media landscape is out of control, and we need to combat it, not court it...
Broken. I hope they change and completely reorient and become more centrist, moderate, and reasonable, and less focused on identity politics... but I doubt it. Chances are, given that many of them are severe ideologues, they'll double and triple down.
Hillary Clinton was a pathetic candidate, who had no moral compass. Who had no character, if you listen to JD Vance, or Bernie Sanders, or Ron Paul, or vivek Ramswami. They have a set of unchangeable belief and adaptable policies. Hilary Clinton had a set of changeable beliefs and compulsory policies.
It’s incredible how easy it is to see these things in hindsight. Where in the hell was this in the polling? Who was polling Latino voters, blue collar voters, low income voters, male voters, and how did the Democrats get the message to these groups SO wrong?
A lot of liberals and Democrats don’t want to hear this, but talking about climate change. Israel/Gaza, transgender rights and setting up a summer camp for squirrels are seen as way too intellectual and “egghead”, nerdy dorky issues. The common voter doesn’t care about that. The common voter cares about money, and safety. Focus on the economy, higher wages, lower prices and security…then you can do the climate reform and talk about abortion and gays.
Huge areas of the country are experiencing drought due to a warming planet. We won’t be able to grow food to feed ourselves. Homes are being destroyed and lives lost by increasingly violent weather. Those are money and safety issues. Climate change is already affecting us. Trivializing this threat by comparing it to imaginary squirrel camps doesn’t make it go away.
I honestly think that before democracy is restored again it needs a revamp. It was completely naive, even dangerous for people to think that all you had to do to be able to vote is be over 18 and a citizen of the country. The amount of civic and political ignorance and misinformation in the US is appalling. People should have to take a test like they do to prove they can drive a car to prove they know something about what's going on before they can vote. To argue against this is ridiculous idealism.
The winning formula is so simple it’s painful dems can’t see it: a fire-breathing charismatic populist, non standard politician who embraces economic populism and the working class, no more identity politics, willingness to enforce immigration conservatively while offering pathways to citizenship, and no more “wokeness” and over sensitivty , it comes off as weak and cringy and it’s killing the party and turning men away
You want a contest between Trump and somebody imitating Trump. How would that end? And you're ignoring the fact that Harris did not stress her "black woman" credentials. Trump certainly tried to if you remember his "decided she's black" and "low iq" stuff. So she didn't play the identity card, she said if elected she would reintroduce the bipartisan immigration bill. She didn't bring "wokeness" and over-sensitivity into the campaign. Given that most voters don't pore over congressional speeches from 2017, I think it's fair to judge her on the campaign she actually conducted, rather than the "DNC of the mind" you seem to be referring to.
again - there's nothing wrong with "wokeness". it's perfectly fine for people to be aware of how fucked up things have been for black people in America, the tragedy of Hawaii, our war crimes abroad, the genocide of native Americans, our complete domination of Haiti... I mean, the list goes on and on and on. The absolute and complete corruption of policing in America. The US Gov is the world's largest and most deadly terrorist organization. Men are turning away from giving a fuck about other people? From where do these fucking childish ideas about strength and weakness come from? There are a ton of men's issues that democrats and republicans completely ignore, for sure. But there's no way we can slow down the progression of society for these imbeciles who cannot read at a 7th grade level and drive $80k lifted trucks with "don't tread on me" stickers.
They see it. They’re just completely bought out by Wall Street, big law firms, big consulting firms. Democrats are now the party of Ivy League wealthy coastal elites. Limousine liberals. They are not the workers party anymore. And this realignment seems to indicate they’re okay with the Republican Party (!!!) of becoming the party of the working class
It's absolutely wild to me to listen to this podcast by Ezra and the incredible denial and lack of recognition that it gives to the average American voter. Trying to sweep away historic stats for an election especially among black and latino voters and their relationship to the republican party. It really shows how stubborn and resilient the media is to the peoples feelings towards the current state of politics. It shows how much the media is out to support one side and they will ignore a damn near political revolution that's happening right in front of their eyes.
No, no no. You want to ask Bill Maher and Debra Messing and Chris Mathews. I'd include Clinton but no one wants to hear from her. I mean, at least ask them what we should do just so we know what we should not do.
Nothing like listening to Ezra Klein to articulate the solution to all of the problems of which he is a part of
*Try and fail to fully articulate due to his own snobby pride
Hahaha well said
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Despite disagreeing with a good amount of his views, Bernie Sanders is a very respectable human being and he does things that other democrats often do not dare, try and have productive conversations with those who will likely disagree with him, or even be a little hostile to him. I was at Liberty University, when Bernie Sanders was invited to come speak. He knew that he couldn't connect to voters on issues like abortion on a majority Christian campus, but he tried to find common ground. We need more politicians who operate like this.
it's not worth the squeeze. its much easier to lie and divide. if it bleeds it leads.
Definitely a shock, but at least it's clear cut and the sun will still come up tomorrow! Gidday from nz
Well given a lot of your fellow evangelicals voted for Trump despite the obvious fact that his personality, behavior, and personal history are in many ways the antithesis of their core beliefs, fielding more candidates like Bernie is unlikely. Furthermore, the fact that they supported and voted for a convicted felon, malignant narcissist, and pathological liar basically undermines any moral high ground they claim and exposes the hypocrisy in their arguments.
That is the power of intellectual consistency and moral conviction, the only substitute is shamelessness. When smart progressive people turn towards the center, they give those things up and look dishonest and therefore they fear confrontation. Bernie believes everything he says so what does he have to fear.
How about we get people who’s main focus is the country and its growth and not people who’s focus is on skin and genitals?
Hard to make the argument that you’re saving democracy while you don’t let the people pick the candidate. The party is losing ground because people are done with neoliberals. The libs of the party constantly shive any real leftists leaving only unpopular options.
Yep neoliberalism is dead and identity politics hurts them more than it helps them. They need to get back to basic pro labour economic and healthcare policies.
@@misatobestgirl7230 Oh no I hope they do continue to ONLY focus on the tiny .1% of people in lieu of you know the rest of the 350+ million people. They are our best player
Imagine thinking Leftists are what America needs after a complete rightward shift in the electorate and Bernie Sanders getting less of the vote in Vermont compared to Kamala. Leftism is dead. Center Right Liberalism is the only path forward.
Realistically, a primary would have resulted in a Newsom or Shapiro, not a Sanders. Biden won the last primary because he had a mass appeal, not just progressives. It's yet to be proven that a true progressive can win the dem primary, much less than the general election.
Yeah they're done with liberals but they're not done with people who want to be authoritarians and oppressors, this country is fu.ked up in more ways than you can even imagine and we are going to be in for a ride of di.sg.usting hate and bigotry
Here's an idea for the DNC: instead of listening to the pundit class (like Ezra Klein and MSNBC), try listening to the people. Start here. Read the comments. Get a clue.
I agree but to be fair to specifically this piece I do think Ezra gets a good amount right here. But it's baffling to me that he can't see that Kamala would not go left on anything and constantly got pulled right, it clearly lost her voters and you can see that with the voter turnout numbers.
@@ryanstone2676 Ezra literally says that in this, in different words
Stop the control of the donors. We were all, red and blue, manipulated.
@@ryanstone2676 what does "go left" mean to you? Because the party has lost it's way on the woke BS like Trans men taking up women's spaces on sports teams, immigration, giving assistance to illegal migrants while ignoring the needs of actual citizens, ignoring the misogyny and real threat of radical Islam (esp from "palestinians") race, identity politics ad nauseum. I'm a progressive on economic policy. but progressives have lost me on all of the woke bs.
@@ryanstone2676 And she did "go left" in terms of offering black men entrepreneurs $$$ (but not the rest of us! how effing RACIST can you get???!!!) This party is so lost with the identity politics. I'm politically homeless and so are a LOT Of us because of this shite.
Bernie was anti illegal imagination, anti racism, and anti race based politics. I wonder why he was so popular
Don't forget anti-free trade with non-peer worker rights economies. Free trade shouldn't be a tool to lower labor costs while betraying your own people.
Are you talking about the guy that folded for Hillary Clinton? Mr ‘ forget about the emails’ ? That dude got paid off to keep his mouth shut and to go with the program Trump would have tore him a new one, too.
And the “pro democracy” party refused to give him a fair chance- now working class people vote red
@@Primus-ue4thBernie folded after that investigation into his wife’s tenure as a professor was started.
@KBergs exactly, that's class-based politics, and it's so much more unifying.
A huge chuck of voters are currently struggling financially and are willing to ignore Trumps disqualifying traits and just vote for a change in government.
Nailed it
That change is going to make their lives bleaker, darker and more desperate. Watch.
@@Occam31When people are sick of the status quo they’ll take a chance on change. Any change. Democrats had someone to capitalize on this, and his name was Bernie Sanders. They did everything possible to quash him and ensure their defeat with business-as-usual candidates.
@@Occam31If you are wrong will you admit it? If Trump's policies actually work, will you say you were wrong and support the Republicans?
I'm guessing you won't and you're just being intellectually dishonest.
@@M98747 absolutely. Will you?
"Amazing on the stump. Killer in debates." -Ezra Klein
If only you'd admit your blind, then you would see. The hope this would shake people into life and out of death is great. Yet many will continue to have ear to hear and not hear. Eyes to see and not see. Ezra speaks words that sound good, yet are hollow as anything Kamala spoke both in debate and on the stump: empty.
He's desperately trying not to insult her or tell the truth about her. Too afraid of being called racist and misogynist by the rabid left.
Agreed.
So campaigning with Liz Cheney didn't work? Shocking I tell you 😂😂😂
She was right about some things about Trump, but that’s doesn’t mean that anyone with the name “Cheney” is a good messenger.
Dick Cheney endorsed Harris… hello? Nobody wants to hear form Dick Cheney wtf.
@vhufeosqap Liz Cheney is in some trouble over the j6 committee. She's about to lose her law license.
maybe having the border open for three years was a bigger issue than Liz Cheney. But you will never admit it. Never.
@@vhufeosqap
She withheld exculpatory video evidence from American citizens. She should be prosecuted along with every other member of that Kommittee.
Nobody who remembers G.W. Bush's presidency has any love for Dick Cheney, and Liz Cheney is probably just as popular. It was insane to brag about her their endorsement of Harris. They're neocon war mongers. And democrats didn't seem to understand that Republicans cast the neocons out. That's the whole idea behind MAGA. I kind of hope democrats never learn their lesson, it's funny seeing them act so clueless, but it's also sad and pathetic.
I thought it was so crazy that Harris didn't go on Rogan, especially when he had gone out of his way to defend her in the Trump interview when Trump said she would never go on a show like Rogan.
It just made him seem correct
Out of his wayyyyyyy. Joe Rogan does so much for truth and justice.
@@birdstrikes no he doesnt
We see this in a lot of countries that fall into right-wing populism, like Argentina, Italy, or Hungary. Let's use the Yellow Vest Protests in France as an example. That was a left-wing social movement equivalent to Occupy Wall Street in the United States. When you have centrists like Trudeau, Macron, and Obama that prevent left-wingers from enacting change, _that_ momentum shifts to the right. Case in point: The Bernie-to-Trump pipeline. Jimmy Dore, Ana Kasparian, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, the Red Scare girls, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Rogan, RFK Jr. and Theo Von. This is *literally* what happened in the 1930s in Germany, Spain, and Italy, although I don't want to be melodramatic and suggest Trump will carry out the same actions.
Trump also implemented some proposals from the 2013 RNC autopsy.
Some left-wing content creators complained about this as well, but more that right wing politicians will go on a UA-cam or Twitch channel to be heard by their intended audience while the DNC candidates are behind the times and ignore these same people to their detriment. I think AOC goes on some shows (like Hasan), but mainly plays video games when she does.
You know, she could have gone on and failed. I am sure she desired the positive exposure but feared the risk of a negative outcome. Just like Trump and a second debate really. Campaigns have to make these calculations. Personally I don't like Harris's manner in discussion. She may have made the right decision to stay off. The right personality to go on Rogan would be someone with charm and self-confidence who can be witty and who is also smart. Obama would have been a big hit there. I suspect Trump just did his usual lies/insults/boasts act. but I guess he did just enough to get credit for turning up.
Overall a good postmortem, disagree with the idea that nikki haley would outperform trump. If america wanted her, then they would have chosen her in the primary, folks are tired of out-of-touch bureaucrats.
He wished nikki "warhawk" haley won the primary so kamala had a bigger chance to win 😂😂😂😂
Stop shouting people down just because they don’t agree with you. And stop judging people based on their skin color or any other identity checkboxes.
Amen to that
Your right and that is part of why WE fired them! We warn them! Tired of the BS
That's the Republicans you are describing.
You just described the racist right AND the woke left. Lol
Who cares what labels (identity checkbox) you put on people or yourself? No one should do what I listed up there as long as one wants to be a decent human being who peacefully coexists with other decent human beings. Name calling can’t replace reasonable conversation.
"harris was dealt a bad hand"
That is one way of saying that she was gifted the Democratic nomination for president
Yeah that's not exactly a blessing though. Imagine it happened to you: you didn't ask for it, you now have to campaign for 3 months to stop fascism, everyone is going to hate and slander you, and if you fail everyone will blame you for Trump winning
Elites like Ezra are so out of touch, it's exactly why the Democratic party finds itself in this situation. Democrats are too focused on pleasing people of this archetype.
Not a good gift though. It's like they threw her out there with nothing to run on? I think the DNC got complacent here and assumed people would vote for her or maybe they just gave up. I did not see much from her other party members though.
Meanwhile the RNC does plenty to back up Trump or help him have talking points (which he barely uses anyway). He doesn't have to answer about his policy since Vance or any number of republicans will do it for him.
It should have been given 3 months beforehand. 😪
She got gifted the BIDEN campaign with 4 months to run it. Got gifted the driver's seat of a truck rolling downhill towards a cliff.
Granted, she was in the passenger seat when Biden was driving it. So, yknow, just abject failure from the Dems all around. Don't let them distract you by focusing on Trump winning when the out of touch neoliberals lost the Dems this election. Hard.
If the Democrats are serious about changing for the better, they should get rid of everyone who lied about Biden's cognitive state.
that would be like the Republican's firing everyone who pushes Trump's lies. Everybody.
So... everyone?
@@nicholasrova3698sure seems so… well everyone except George Clooney
Yes, cause trump is sure mentally stable.. but he's unstable in a malicious way. So much better
@@Alpha23TV You could also exclude Biden because as far as he is concerned, he is fit as a fiddle
Focus on working class not on illegals.
Ive been tryin to tell that to dems since like, forever. Its too bad we have to get 4 more years of Trump to understand it.
If you knew what the working-class wanted, it would scare the piss out of you.
Joined *3 Months Ago* If This Is Not A Political Bot IDK What Is😂
We asked for Bernie, they gave us Trump.
Tragic Irony.
Basically agree. Trump made it through the establishment by not going away and brute force. I do think if Bernie had done something similar with his movement, where he just refused to go away and figured out how to stay in the news cycle he might have accomplished the same. However, Trump being Trump keeps him in the news, not his policies. Berne is a policy guy, and that only keeps you in a news cycle briefly.
I can’t tell you how many Trump supporters would back Bernie if given the choice, myself included.
@@jbsmoov1911 Keep in mind Bernie has an actual day job as Senator. Trump just got to sit on his ass for 4 years, play golf and tweet. He had all the free time in the world.
@@tylerclark5086You surely had a choice to not support tfg, shame on you
Abandoned the middle and working class.
When have democrats been with them?
Trump is literally on camera saying he’s against overtime pay and praising Elon for firing people when they strike … yet those same people voted for trump all the same … all that to say is, clearly working class people don’t care if you support working class issues… I have my theory as to why they voted for trump but your theory of the case is clearly incorrect when you consider the evidence
@@toddjohnson271 The New Deal, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start Program, Civil Rights Act, Financial Aid for Higher Education Loans, Welfair Expansion Act, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, American Rescue Plan Act
And men. Social media is fascinating right now too. Telling men they’re pigs, they need to not be alive anymore, women telling women they’re should divorce their husband who voted Trump and even daughters disowning their fathers and mothers. I respect they’re upset but entertaining and expressing sentiments like that will create a chasm that will take decades for any party to heal.
This is such an idiotic argument. Why do you think Trump gets endorsed by all the top-1% most wealthy billionaires? He is going to f*ck the middle- and working classes for the sake of the paypal mafia, Musk and Bezos. They will get the taxes cuts and you will be at the receiving end of the tariffs and the ensuing tariffs war. What a moronic population
The people wanted Bernie in 2016. (LOST)
They wanted Bernie (or a Bernie-like figure) in 2024. (LOST)
Just listen to the electorate.
Simple.
Bernie polled higher than the other candidates, both Democrats and Republicans, in 2016. If the Democrats had allowed Bernie to run, how different would the outcome have been? It was clear the electorate at large did not want a status quo candidate. But the tone-deaf Democrats ran the very worst example of a neoliberal corporate candidate and created a Trump presidency. Ya, we know. She was promised the gig back in 2012. That's what is wrong with the party and why they continue to lose.
Haha. Bernie would not stand a chance against Trump.
@@ingvar1500 Unfortunately, we'll never know
@@Home4FactsConsidering how close 2016 was between Hillary and Trump, I agree that Bernie could have been President.
This is delusional. Bernie lost both primaries he ran in, and handily in 2020. Many people saw Kamala as too liberal.
Respectfully Ezra, I think sitting behind a desk can be isolating, and I think it can narrow your perspective. You say policy doesn't matter, and yet popular policies by the Kamala campaign were either discarded or never pursued, and policies that the Tony Wests of the world find palatable were lauded. You don't become a candidate of change by promising tax breaks for small business owners, you just don't. And at a time when people are so dissatisfied with the current candidate that he had to drop out, to associate yourself with said candidate is just straight up terrible political insticts from Kamala. The left of the party has been screaming from the rooftops about how much they are missing people, and yet it fell on deaf ears in favor of appealing to donors. I hope the lesson democrats take is that this is where that gets you.. You really need to interview Astead. I believe he has the most accurate and convincing autopsy of this failed campaign and of where the democratic part was prior to this loss, that I've heard. The fact that you weren't seeing this one coming, should tell you here how your point of view might be out-of-touch, because many of us did.
Are you a fan of Hank pecker?
I've been screaming this for years... we (dems) are a smug, contemptuous group who refuse to smell our own shit.
It smells like the lobby.
And the right is not? The difference is just the base. One is stupid. One isn’t. We re fighting with one hand tied behind our back.
@ ?
@ Be that as it may, allow me the stage for a moment. Liberal policies such as transgender bathrooms in school, the library "thing", and gay marriage forced into religion poked the hornets nest. You can't argue with a swarm of angry Hymenoptera's (yeah, I looked it up); better to understand what makes them tick and find a way to pacify them. What we've got now is a nationwide hornets swarm and they're pissed due democratic overreach (us). Though I'm college educated my job forces me to mingle with Joe six-pack- we are missing the ball by a country mile.
@chafrey8532 that's a beautifully ironic response to being called smug and contemptuous
When I wonder why the dems lost I can’t help but think back to a report I saw on cnbc a couple years ago. They were talking about formerly blue counties in Iowa and Pennsylvania and asking what can the dems do to win them back. At one point they brought a Democratic Party strategist on the program and asked her what can/are/should dems do to get back these areas? To which she responded with basically “that would be really hard so we are going to focus our efforts on Haitian women”. For years dems have been abandoning former democratic strongholds and chasing smaller groups in other places. Like you said Ezra they have been shrinking their tent then acting surprised when they find out the people they left outside are going elsewhere to find shelter.
Right across the anglosphere - the working class has been moving towards conservative parties for nigh on four decades, to such a degree, that it is now almost a major part of their base. That ship has sailed. Anyone who tries to do anything to address inequity is classed as a "commie" (especially in the US). Very difficult for any centrist party anywhere to make that a major plank of their platform.
This must be why Harris campaigned 5 times in PA on the day before the election
That goes for news delivery and communucations/video hosting platforms, too.
Liberals don't have nearly the stranglehold on public discourse they did 5 years ago.
I wish people would stop talking in just percentage of votes cast and look at the absolute vote numbers. Trump may end up with fewer votes than in 2020. Harris is missing more than ten million votes that went to Biden in 2020. In the end, people just stayed home.
They lost due to not listening to all the warnings repeatedly you're going the wrong way, stop the BS and would not. So the American People Rose United and Fried Then.
Took away the White House, Senate, Congress Why lack of Trust due to their actions! They forgot who their boss is and showed them! We don't have to put up with you!
NEXT and warn you we will be watching!
That's only part of the story. The bigger picture includes significant shifts toward Trump across almost every voting bloc-except for college-educated white women-compared to 2016 and 2020.
Yeah interesting that. Looks more like 20 million "missing" votes. You know- the more than registered voters votes from 2020 . Perhaps they couldn't get access to cemetery records this time?
No
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Asking the Democrats to be "curious" about what their voters are concerned about is a strange ask. They should "want" to know! Frankly, it is my opinion that they don't seem to care... and this is why they are losing. I am an older, severely disappointed Democrat; I'm ready to leave the party.
There's always the third party or you could join us republicians, we're a big tent party anyway
You're right. They seem to look at it as an issue of messaging, rather than reflecting on why they are so out of touch with the majority of their countrymen.
I voted for Bernie in 2020 much because I liked his honesty and belief in providing real solutions for working and middle class economic issues.
I voted uncommitted against Biden in the 2024 primary because I had no faith in Biden winning or listening to the American people.
I voted Harris in 2024 because I believe Trump will not work for the American people and will greatly harm the working and middle class.
As a black man I’ve did my part to protect democracy, I’m disappointed.
I pray for America, and I can only hope for the better. However I’m done with the Democratic Party.
I think this is the best comment I've read so far. When the Dems edge out Bernie in 2020, it was the beginning of this moment now. I've never been a democrat but there doesn't seem to be anywhere else to go yet. America is deeply ignorant and racist. I don't know who can speak to this better than the dem party to make a better country for everyone.
I’m genuinely curious, how is voting for a party who didn’t have a real primary and put up a candidate no one voted for protecting democracy? Forgive me if that sounds blunt but i want to know what you think mate
She was on the primary ballot and there was a primary. Dean Phillips ran against her and Biden.
@MinIanLC, 11 hours ago you said, "I pray for America, and I can only hope for the better. However I’m done with the Democratic Party"
You know, prayers are not going to do it, and neither will hope. You need to go out and be the change yourself. Join a party that you are most aligned with and work to make it the best that it can be for ordinary workers in working and middle classes... Universal Healthcare would be a really good start. US healthcare costs almost exactly ten times as much per person as does healthcare in the European Union (the last time that I looked at the figures was about 12 to 18 months ago), and the health outcomes for the patient in the EU are better than those for the US people (even at one tenth of the dollar spend per person). It may well be the case that there needs to be somewhat of a redistribution of wealth in order to fund this (start by taking one tenth of a percent of the wealth of one tenth of a percent of the most wealthy) , but the economic windfall to the entire US would be palpable. Think of the stress that would be lifted of the collective shoulders of the people, and the positive benefit to people, and the entire nation, that would precipitate from that.
@@BrianRosborough Trump has called to suspend the consititution. He refused to accept the results of the election in 2020 and had his supporters mob the capitol, chanting that they should kill the vice president so he wouldn't certify the election. And you really have to ask about which candidate is a threat to democracy?
You make it sound like the democrats just skipped the primary. We had a primary. The candidate withdrew. There was no time for a new primary, so the party rallied around the person endorsed by the candidate who withdrew. Further, parties can nominate a candidate however they want to, primary elections for presidential candidates didn't even happen in the US until 1968, having party representatives choose the candidate at the convention used to be the norm in both parties.
Harris is NOT a killer at debates. She is absolutely awful
Contrary to what Ezra said her debate performance was a failure because she failed to specify what policies she would stand behind. Ezra is delusional.
@@mkearns60Exactly. Maybe she got a few petty jabs in at the right time, but that’s not debate. She exposed herself for having nothing of substance to say. A loss disguised as a win.
i was just about to write this comment. how can you be that delusional. shes 0% eloquent. stop giving her any credit she was literally just awful.
@@James-mk8jp Agreed. Even though Trump didn't perform well, people already knew what he was about, and he didn't need a strong performance as much as she did. That is why when he did lackluster, he just decided not to do any more of those debates. He didn't need it like she did.
If you look at a wide array of here talking. She is pretty much as vapid as a person can be. in every circumstance.
GOOD RIDDANCE TO ABSOLUTE RUBBISH
No one will EVER SAY THE BLACK SWING VOTE SAT THIS ONE OUT! Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta...big city black population. Same with Hillary! We're tired of the dems taking us for granted!
@@ursamahan-worlds5726 that obviously happened. I blame that on Joe Manchin and Krysten Cinema who left the majority high and dry to be able to create any meaningful impact. Change around the edges wasn’t enough.
@brian106699 I guess you didn't understand...dems get no play anymore from FBAs!
And also trying to sell us on someone being black who isn't. That caused the black vote here to swing. We know who is black and who isn't we dont' need a bunch of beta white wimps in pink shorts and blue hair to try to tell us who is black. We was looking at each other just laughing our asses off.
Yeah man that's what black street n___s is going to ride with. Wimpy lil white doods with blue hair, yeah man smooth
Honestly they campaigned more in those areas than anywhere else. Kamela spent a whole lot of time in philly. They dont focus on rural people anymore. Stop focusing on race class, class, class.
@@Ken-jt9gntriple down on class. Race is and will be a major issue for Black Americans, but the white backlash is real. White folks would rather end democracy than share the wealth and privilege in this country. Fine. Game on. But for the good of the world, we have to end billionaire influence. MLK focused on economics. We need a new Bernie.
Gonna use this podcast to fall asleep to… it’s like a modern lullaby. Thank you… and good luck with everything. 🤓🇺🇸
lol 😂
what? you must not be a stressed person.
democrats need a populist leader at long last. It's not about right or left..it's about establishment vs populism
What the Dems need is to get rid of the right wing propaganda ecosystem if they can. It's the reason why so many people vote against their own interest.
ok, cenk uygur
We see this in a lot of countries that fall into right-wing populism, like Argentina, Italy, or Hungary. Let's use the Yellow Vest Protests in France as an example. That was a left-wing social movement equivalent to Occupy Wall Street in the United States. When you have centrists like Trudeau, Macron, and Obama that prevent left-wingers from enacting change, _that_ momentum shifts to the right. Case in point: The Bernie-to-Trump pipeline. Jimmy Dore, Ana Kasparian, Glenn Greenwald, Matt Taibbi, the Red Scare girls, Tulsi Gabbard, Joe Rogan, RFK Jr. and Theo Von. This is *literally* what happened in the 1930s in Germany, Spain, and Italy, although I don't want to be melodramatic and suggest Trump will carry out the same actions.
Trump also implemented several proposals of the 2013 RNC autopsy.
@@non-applicablexxl heh, loser
It's hard for the side that's about endless bureaucracy and hyper government to put forward an actual populist leader. The larger the government the more oppressive it tends to get in the long term, which is antithetical to the people in general. So Bernie can claim he's a populist all he wants, but his policies would have only solidified the government's over reach in the long term.
Lies were allowed by the media and unchecked and unverified to the point that there was no reference bae for a person to use to refute
Lies were told by the media. Fixed that for you.
We need a Bernie. As a college educated voter, I can speak confidently that Dems won't lose much of our votes if they want to fund functional services to our communities and treat health, environmental conservation, housing, education, and access to food as basic human rights. I will always be willing to pay more taxes for cheaper, more comprehensive services.
As a college educated voter 🤓🤓🤓
@Kevindukes198 i said this only to preface my opinion in the context of the Podcasters' statement that the Dems may be better served by listening less to college educated constituents.
Also, that face is exactly what I look like in real life. How did you find a picture of me?
That’s the most Democrat assertion I ever heard.
Yeah that's called communism, no thanks. That's not a winning strategy at all. You have a younger Bernie, her name is Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and only lunatics like her. But go ahead get someone like that to run in 2028, see how it works for you.
But that's where you're wrong. People don't want to pay more for government services. They want to have enough purchasing power so they can access those services in the shape and form they wish in the free market.
I like Ezra’s use of the word curiosity. In general, most of us are not curious about how others are faring unless it’s the rich and famous. Democrats need to go back to their roots of representing working people. Leave Hollywood alone. Stop masquerading as Republicans. Democrats need to sit with everyday folk of all persuasions and hear how they are experiencing this post-pandemic inflationary economy. Bernie Saunders and Ralph Nader are calling it out now. Democrats have stood by gawking at the Republican train wreck, but look who’s winning. Time for Democrats to go back to the cave, do some soul-searching and retool. Darkness only lasts for a night. 😮
You know, it's unfortunate for him to be caught up in Harris' campaign, but I do think Walz was very good at this actually. So much better than Kamala was. I saw a lot of videos where he went and talked to a lot of everyday people about everyday issues and about how the economy was affecting them. Maybe Kamala just needed him to "balance out" her angle on things, but honestly, the direction was far more preferable.
Bernie Sanders spoke the truth!
The media refused to question Biden or Harris, everyone just fell in line.
I see the MAGA movement as the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street movements coming together
Because that is 100% what it is. The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street were slowly coming together years ago, you could even see it at their rallies and on video, then the establishment noticed this, became terrified, and slammed a huge wedge between them and we've had this soft civil war since. Now people are waking up and realizing that despite some political differences we have infinitely more in common with each other than either of us do with the ruling oligarchy in this country. Trump recognized this over a decade ago, tapped into it, called it MAGA, fought tooth and nail since, and then two days ago had the most historic political comeback in American history.
Basically. I'm glad someone else saw it.
November 7th: I’m a Harris supporter who, even before the Biden/Trump debate, favored replacing Biden. When Biden stepped down, I was 100% team Harris/Walz. I donated $ to the campaign, wore a Harris/Walz camouflage cap every day, mailed 200 postcards to NC, and consumed many hours of political podcasts. My 5-year-old granddaughter helped me fill out my ballot. We dropped it off together at the post office. I don’t regret my vote for Kamala. Yet, now, the fight has gone out of me. If the American people want Trump, good luck with that.
Do you think all of the mail in votes have been counted?
I hear you.
I hear you and understand your frustration. Take a break you deserve it, but never give up. It took years to get America to what it is today, it took years for women to get the right to vote, it took years for civil rights. Nothing worth having didn't require hard work. I get it, I'm angry too. It's part of the mourning process. But as long as there is still hope, we will always have a fighting chance. I believe that America is strong enough to weather this storm, I just hope there is not much irreparable damage. But we must work harder more than ever to get an actual populist in the white house in 2028. You know, assuming the orange idiot isn't serious about being a dictator. And there is always the hope of a massive heart attack.
Well-said
A public tantrum because you didn’t get what you wanted. Really mature.
Sometimes you try to be so diverse, inclusive, and empathetic that you can’t craft a coherent message.
The Democratic Party should’ve been the working class party this cycle. Full stop. Everyone else could’ve get’d in where they fitted in.
Right now, we’re the party of “let’s see who we can blame”.
The other side knew what they were getting with Trump, good or bad. They were given the chance to CHOOSE him in the primaries. We need to stop the cycle of “it’s his/her/their turn”.
I totally agree we had no choice
When we chose Bernie the powerbrokers in the DNC slapped us down. We dutifully voted for Biden last cycle because we were told to. This time we woke up and said your gonna have your give us more than threats and insults. You can’t build your campaign on just “fearing the other guy” and letting that give you license to cozy up to war mongers, court the rich and berate the poor, and generally abandon all the values that your base holds dear.
It is time to reform. I hope you can learn this lesson.
Democrats are spread thinner than peanut butter on a cracker. They struggle with messaging. We used to be the party of working people. Period. Were glitzy and glossy. We’re Hollywood and we lose.😅
Also does not help when all Democrats strategy was " Trump Bad" and giving him more publicity and spotlight. I think people know Trump is unserious and an idiot ... liberals really thought that making fun of him for 4 years would be enough. They had 4 years to work with the working class, listen to the frustrations of their own base and stop alienating and shaming progressive left who will not "vote blue no matter what". The democrats ran on "vibes" with their cringy pandering during the DNC instead of actually talking about policies. I knew it was Joe-ver when their hail mary was getting an endorsement from friggin Cheneys smh.
Exactly. The DNC is systematically corrupt and owned by special interest. Thats why they propped her up rather than risk an actual good canidate
they will find someone else to blame.
"they"
The Democrats seem to be allergic to any sort of genuine introspection and I say that as a lifelong Democrat. There's a good chunk of hardcore libs that absolutely will just write off anyone that doesn't see things the way they do.
They are troublemakers
The American people are to blame period.
@@stephencox9824 No, the Democrats are and we need to figure out what went wrong if we don't want to go the way of the Whigs.
As disappointed as I am about the results of this election, I do share Ezra Klein’s sentiment.
More introspection about the role of the donors is needed.
Remember the lies printed by the NYT.
Harris was a sheer catastraphy at debates, guys!!! Are utterly blind?!?!
Interesting that no one is talking about climate right now. Game over.
Seriously. This is proof that we're not going back... to a reasonable climate. Trump doesn't even matter when you consider that, even if he merely does nothing, it'll be impossible to recover and save the planet. Having children now should be seen as an act of cruelty.
An unmentioned subtext of this election, and right-wing wins across the world, is the REFUSAL to take the future seriously.
More than a dozen issues ranked higher in importance in polling. There will have to be severe food inflation before people realize it’s the issue that matters most.
An unmentioned subtext of this election, and of right-wing wins around the world, is the REFUSAL to take the future seriously and plan for a post-petroleum paradigm (and EV's aren't it!)
@@SigFigNewton because people are fundamentally stupid.
There seems to be two big contradictions coming out of this election results for the Democrats.
First, they needed to go more left to get more votes. Their center views cost them the election.
Second, they did not appeal to the right wing on social issues they felt were important.
I say this because I am struggling to see who really is right here?
Im quite right wing and a lefty friend of mine is basically single-issue "healthcare please". Many discussions with him and I cannot figure what the party Democrats even want. What was the healthcare vision for democrats this cycle? Pretend the ACA is fine and wonderful even when people obviously aren't happy with it, including many on the left who want universal healthcare. So if they cant commit to universal healthcare, force everyone to pay for insurance and be hostages to their employer? Enact universal healthcare in California, great, but then immediately open it to all illegals? My left wing friends want universal healthcare by Americans for Americans, and I think its better than the wishy-washy nonsense we have now. The party dems seem to have their heads in the sand.
@@thatokker9542 allow al carte insurance written across state lines. divorce it from your job. So you own it. Ever since government has been involved ( starting in the 1980s) its gotten nothing but worse and worse. The more they try to "fix" it The worse it gets. They need to stop and stay out of it at this point. They have BROKEN what was NOT BROKEN.
They need to go economically left and be tolerant of social conservatism.
Could be my bias speaking, but a wing social agenda may help them. Even if the second part is wishful thinking, the first part isn't. One of the only things more and more citizens are agreeing on is p0p u l!sm and anti- 3s tabli! shment.
left and right are clumsy distinctions. this is what your comment means. Someone can be anti transgender rights and want fair taxations for the rich. framing it left right without even mentioning on which issues, cultural or economic, is unhelpful. And then, you also enter weird nuances. Like promoting self censorship in support of civil rights, is it left or right, illiberal or liberal on cultural issues? well it is a bit of both. the simple polarisation analysis quickly reaches its limits and a nuanced thought is needed.
The point that Harris was dealt a bad hand is not correct. Her only chance to be the candidate was to be placed there. Had Biden elected not to run, and had the Dems had a primary, Harris would have been eliminated from consideration fairly quickly. We don’t need to reshape the party. We just need to accept that Harris was not a good candidate.
the DNC has not honored the primary voters for over 16 years now
Even if this is true that still doesn’t mean it was a bad hand. She lost more support in places she didn’t run ads, why? Because a lot of people didn’t like or dislike her, they didn’t know her.
The DNC ANSOLUTELY needs a reshape. To think they don’t will continue to lose elections that they should have won.
Both can be true
_"We don’t need to reshape the party"_
The party not acknowledging Biden's decrepitude and rallying around getting him to be a one-term president is definitely at least partly to blame for the loss. Not admitting to themselves that Kamala was a bad candidate and finding a more suitable competitor to Trump was partly to blame. The focus on identity politics and TQ+ issues is to blame. The party definitely deserves plenty of blame.
Federalist, Whig and now the Democratic Party
the US is officially an authoritarian regime. Peter Theil / Vance are all pushing regime change. Republicans are gone too. They just don't know it yet.
Differently saying that in 2008 or so.
Winning platform for the Democrats:
1: Universal Medicare/Medicaid
2: Enshrine protections for Unions in Law
3: Conditional overseas aid
4: Points/Skill-based immigration a la Australia
5: Enforced Federal minimum wage (and penalties for slave wages for illegal immigrants to prevent appeal of that)
6: Stop obsessing over cultural issues - focus on liberty not equity
7: Anti-trust on large corporations that engage in Monopoly or Oligopoly - esp. price fixing or price gouging
The American People would love that, but the Corporate Ruling Class would smother that campaign in the crib.
Not sure about nationalized healthcare. The wait is so long that some Canadian cancer patients died before they received treatments.
I think this is solid, I would add that Democrats should be alot more vocal in this internet age about how these policies can positively impact people's lives and craft a vision that people can easily receive and quickly understand. It also helps to stop being boring and talk plainly to people.
@@momo8200so in part, doubling down on progressivism? The same political philosophy that alienated so many voters away from Democrats in the first place?
Its not going to happen because the Democrats in leadership do not want to embrace new ideals.
I’m stunned (/s) that there was no mention of the media class as well as Harris really having no ability to form her own opinion without the approval of her campaign/party.
People are tired of you telling them how to think when they hear the news. (Mind you I’m aware that Ezra is grouped under opinion). We’ve gone from fact based journalism to opinion based because the media class cannot allow the average person to form their own opinion anymore. Everything has to be spoon fed these days and that includes permission to believe in anything.
Continue isolating the working class who just want to “work to live” and enjoy what they have, rather than to be a slave for a non living wage and the results will continue to speak for themselves.
I couldn't agree more with you.
Explain what you mean about "the media telling people what to think and moving from fact-based journalism"
3:30 - “you’re just a little upset from the pandemic still”
holy shit the hubris
I love how they talk about how awful George h w bush is, but forget that they all love him because he dosnt like trump. Acting like trump didn't just achieve something truly amazing. It was a landslide. He won every toss up. Cope.
They definitely aren’t interrogating their own deeply cherished values and preconceptions in the same manner they comfortably demand the rest of us do all the time. The cope, as you say, is real.
When sideline Bernie and put Biden and Kamala then dont expect people to vote for you.
Ezra Klein represents everything I aspire to as a liberal and everything I fear the Democrats per se couldn't care less about.
I really liked this podcast. I will be coming back to listen again. Thank You.
The fact that economic elites weren't held accountable for their crimes during the housing crash did not help. Even though Trump will hurt them financially, they just want change. If we are to survive as a country, we need to start real, concrete actions for the people. Voters know that what they want is not being acted upon. Bernie, was right, ignore the working class at your own peril. There is a real class struggle going on now.
Exactly!!!!
Do democrat voters ever wonder why Billionaire wall street firms and other wealthy people would donate to a political candidate like Barrack Obama , Joe Bidem or Kamala Harris that demonize them as the reason nothing ever gets done in this country like free healthcare, childcare, free college tuition, infrastructure and so on and chastise all of them as selfish greedy people that made their wealth by exploiting less fortunate people and they need to pay their fair share and should be forced to pay more taxes. That's because those rich people know they will not be paying more taxes, and democrats know it too ! because Rich people have tax loop holes ,accountants to find tax shelters and how to manipulate the tax laws where they don't pay anything and if they own a business just pass the cost down to consumers in fees or raising the product price, Democrats know all that bt like saying tax the rich because it makes good political rhetoric that their voters eat up and plays into the victimhood mind set that is also a democrat sales pitch, Remember when the Hillary Clinton tried to attack Trump with He is a billionaire and pays almost nothing in taxes! Trump made her and all the other democrats look stupid saying , Yeah , I used all the same tax deductions you and everybody else uses, it would be dumb if I paid more taxes than I had to! If you dont like the tax codes, why dont you change them? You have been in government for decades and not changed any of them, after That we never heard a word about Trumps taxes.
Bernie's diagnosis is correct, that working class felt abandoned. The solutions he provided are toxic in the long run.
The Democratic Party needs to begin embracing Progressive Populism. It's the only antidote to MAGA right wing populism.
no we don't, we seen what populism can do, we don't need a progressive one.
@@ebrimajallow9631 ur so dumb
@@ebrimajallow9631perfect example of preferring Trump over free healthcare
@@ebrimajallow9631 Well, inviting the Cheney's to all but join the party certainly didn't help, so, what? Do they go even further to the right and alienate the rest of the left?
@ebrimajallow9631 Whats wrong with populism, making low information voters aware that these policies will help them by appealing to their emotions or their desires for convenience, higher wages, cheaper goods, etc. might be a winning strategy
They lost because they could not defend their policies....
The average trump voter thinks that he will lower gas and grocery prices and couldn't tell you what a tariff is, and you really think policy had anything to do with it? If "policy" means blatantly lying about stuff you can't do then yeah people seem to love trumps "policy".
Because they’re trash and indefensible
@djbcubed the average harris voters thought she could do something about abortion. I got news for ya, there wasn't a damn thing she could do about it. That would be up to congress.
@@djbcubed stop speaking for the "average trump voter". Thats why dems lost the latino vote.
@@djbcubedso many illegal in CALIFORNIA they need to go
Not listening to the voters is what did The Democrats in 🤨
'Being curious, doesn't mean abandoning you values.'
...and there it is. Some values are worth abandoning. If you can't do that then you still haven't figured out what 2024 victory was really about.
It was about the economy. It’s almost always about the economy. Sometimes I’m unsure. This election was 100% about the economy
@@SigFigNewton True, but I think the Left needs to go deep into more right leaning spaces and listen to what people there are talking about. There is a new almost universal disdain among a lot of "middle of the road" people for how aggressively, dishonest and vitriolic the Left wing "woke" activists have been in pushing their agenda on all fronts. Entertainment, education, government, corporations, all of them are playing from the same identity politics playbook. It's not just the message but how entitled, dishonest and smug they are in how they are pushing it. People are seriously fed up with it and desperately want to see these people get some payback after they have colonized and invaded so much in our culture.
Ezra thank you for articulating what Dems better learn going forward. You have to let the primary cycle run its course to find the candidate that meets the moment. Every 4 years too! Society is changing too fast.
They won't! They were fired for not listening to the repeated warnings you're going the wrong way. And not having a primary was only a small part. Their own turned on them
for all the hardships and bonded with others to make the Majority and Shout YOUR FIRED ENOUGH! Lost the Sente, Lost the Congress again, Lost the White House
And already spreading lies, hate just some of the same stull they were fired for. The American People has woken up and don't have time for babies in the sand box throwing sand and
blaming others for it. We want and will go forward without them if need be just like life does you if need be!
@@jenniferoh4349 Ezra is wrong... it's the right wing propaganda ecosystem. It doesn't matter what the policy is they will say its bad, it doesn't matter who the candidate is they will say they hate you and American... Ezra can't see
they won't, they never do
Laughing, at your age you know it all Right.
This is all very well, but it tippy-toes around the elephant in the room, which is that there's a large minority of Americans who have become nasty & vicious because of social media. No one is saying it but it's true.
The MSM and the Biden administration have demonized the Right calling them NAZIS, Hitler, Fascists and racists. Hard to even meet in the middle when half the nation hears that daily and repeats it on social media.
I'm seeing / saw it happen to a good friend right now..
talking down to working people and acting like middle America is just flyover country is not a winning strategy. Isn't exactly rocket science to know that you have to actually talk to people to under stand them, but that's the Dem party for you.
Thanks very much for all your hard work and dedication Ezra, from the UK the sense from my entire peer group is one of intense sadness, if perhaps not surprise, that more than 50% of Americans could invite this level of long-term self-harm.
The truth is that on all the measures that count, we are the 51st state and this is going to impact our economy, foreign policy security and embolden the far right here.
We had 200 ordinary citizens here just 1 mile from my home in Bristol a couple of months ago fighting hand to hand battles to stop the far right burning down a hotel housing asylum seekers. Thousands of ordinary people across the city turned out to counter protest and fight street battles for 12 hours with hundreds of far right extremists to drive them out of the city.
The anger and vitriol driving the right and far right here comes from generations of people who's great grandfathers and grandfathers had well-paid blue collar jobs (of all ethnic groups) and were left behind in the shift to a finance-based service economy. They went from having pride in being socially working class (miners, steel workers, ship builders, auto workers, and factory workers) and economically middle-class , to being laid off in their millions over 20 years. I know - my great-grandfather, grandfather, uncles and cousins were coal miners and factory workers that got caught in the churn. My mum got out, went to London, found a toe hold in the new service economy and I am the first generation in my family history to be university educated. I truly love all my family, and my empathy runs deep, but some are enticed by the far right and would probably vote for Trump if they could.
Many of the chilldren, grand-chilldren and great-grandchildren of that blue collar generation that had their aspirations cut short lost hope - and surviving on social security or minimum wage jobs- multiple generations have fallen under the spell of the far right blaming the 'other' and 'liberal elites' for their plight - instead of brutal career politicians who thought their forebears were just disposable units of productivity in the pursuit of 'progress'.
I just got lucky by virtue of being the son of a mum that saw it coming and fought hard to give her children opportunity. My dad's father was a builder and was part of that aspiraional generation, my dad went from being a bricklayer to running a construction company and he instilled that aspiration in me to.
The anger and frustration here of the 'forgotten' led to Brexit, UKIP, BNP, Reform Party, Tommy Robinson, Andrew Tate, Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage - and now trying to burn down hotels housing scared human beings.
As frustrating as it can be, you need to connect in a non-condescending and authentic way with that same demographic in the US where the same thing happened - tell the truth that they were let down, left behind and overlooked - communicate a credible plan to give them their respect and aspirations back, reach out to their chilldren, and bring them back to the light.
Calling Rogan a transphobe is why you and the NYT have no credibility anymore.
This election proved that calling people names because of their views is a resounding failure! Keep it up!
I feel like it's pretty credible to call him that, it's not appealing for an election for sure, but I don't see it as being a loss of credibility.
@@clowncargaming8046 Back in your car, clown.
@@clowncargaming8046 You're part of the problem
Thanks for your candour Ezra
Ezra, I seem to remember you leaning on Bernie to get out of the race. I think it’s fair to say your centrality to Democrat ideas makes you precisely the wrong person to talk about this. Please take a holiday. Maybe take up meditation or something. Come back in 2 or 3 years. Thanks.
If they keep leaning center they will keep losing
Everything but admitting the vast majority does not want the woke culture.
Being democratic would be a good start.
I don't fault Kamala strictly by any means, I think this was largely and overwhelmingly about inflation and the "felt" economy. That said, I have never felt that she was much of a policy person; whenever asked about policy she gave bullet points and pivoted to "Trump bad". That doesn't communicate strong convictions about policies; also along those lines she was a different candidate this time than 2019 which just undermines her authenticity and credibility.
So 137 million compared to 155 million four years ago. Harris getting 67 million compared to Biden"s 81 million is eye opening
Not all of the votes are counted yet. There's still ~15 million outstanding ballots. (Mostly in California.)
it looks like it will be ~152M once all are counted
This isn't the case as of today its around 145 million voters that went to the polls and probably 245 million Eligible voters total nation wide. Its seems that Trump has gotten a simple majority. The Run up podcast host Aston Hedron has talked to people / potential voters on the campaign trail and alot of them seem to want change from the Establishment and didn’t like the economy while pretty much are uncaring about his targeting minorities in rhetoric.......it is what it is i guess....Biden was a dinosaur and the American populace has moved on from him ....this is the future now.
And…. You guys learned nothing
They need to pump out the septic tank. Its still spilling out all over the place.
"Boys are boys from the beginning, girls are girls right from the start. Everybody’s fancy, Everybody’s fine. Your body’s fancy and so is mine. Girls grow up to be the mommies, boys grow up to be the daddies."
~ Mr Rogers
Thank you Ezra for a candid analysis of this election. I used to be Liberal, but moved a bit right, not becoming Conservative, as such, but becoming more honest about my own convictions, concerns and mores. I have no allegiance now and I favor neither party.
I give up on the democratic party. They have to stand for more than "Never Trump" and trans rights. The party has lost its way, it's losing its reliable voter base. The party needs to prioritize it's agenda and it needs COMPELLING leadership!
There is NOTHING wrong with the Democratic Party. It's the American voters and supporters of donald and his political cult. These MAGA people are no different from the Russians with their Stalin, the Japanese with their Emperor, the Italians with their Mussolini, the Chinese with their Mao... and don't forget... the Germans with their weird dude whose style was a pencil mustache! Cultists are just that... cultists! And history has been showing and proving their wrong throughout the history of mankind. NO MATTER what kind of leadership the opposition got... unless you go to war. ALL of these dictators and their regimes eventually got resolved by war. Period. Think of Saddam, Qaddafi... and then the current Putin!!!
there is no more democrat or republican party. this is trump's country now. just watch
That's why I'm waiting to see what % didn't vote at all.
This guy is oblivious
He's actually not oblivious. He's lying. He's evil. Jon Stewart was on his show last week and said as much right to his face. It was a feel good moment.
and Ezra, as proved by his relatively early calls for Biden to withdraw, is one of the better ones
Apparently, Nikki Haley could have done better than Donald Trump. Sir, you have discredited yourself
I personally think people voted for change. Their personal financial situation is just so brutal and they casted out for someone (anyone!) who would help their lot.
I do not believe they voted for Trump. The total voters this time around was smaller than 2020 by 10M. There isn't this enthusiasm for Trump that he would have you believe. People just weren't excited by either option. Still, in the end, they chose "change."
@@michaelf8221 My financial situation is better than it was 4 years ago. My 401k quit being either stagnant or just volatile like it was under Trump. I can't just think about what I'm getting today.
@@michaelf822110 million (15 million actually) ballots in 2020, not actual human voters.
I absolutely disagree with Ezra here. We shouldn't live in a shadow of lies for the sake of "curiosity." It might seem lame to people, but the misinformation and disinformation in our media landscape is out of control, and we need to combat it, not court it...
Broken. I hope they change and completely reorient and become more centrist, moderate, and reasonable, and less focused on identity politics... but I doubt it. Chances are, given that many of them are severe ideologues, they'll double and triple down.
2004?? A slide to the right following 9/11 should not have been surprising.
2016 was way worse.
Hillary Clinton was a pathetic candidate, who had no moral compass. Who had no character, if you listen to JD Vance, or Bernie Sanders, or Ron Paul, or vivek Ramswami. They have a set of unchangeable belief and adaptable policies. Hilary Clinton had a set of changeable beliefs and compulsory policies.
If someone likes Trump's boarder policy Dems call that person a homophobe and a bigot. Pushed too many voters away boxing them up.
Tired of hearing about illegal immigrants and the rights they “deserve” 24/7.
It’s incredible how easy it is to see these things in hindsight. Where in the hell was this in the polling? Who was polling Latino voters, blue collar voters, low income voters, male voters, and how did the Democrats get the message to these groups SO wrong?
They thought abortion was end all and be all of everything.
Democratic Party has three constitutes:
1. Israel
2. Ukraine
3. Corporate donors
Nope
1.Hamas
2.Immigration
3. Economy
If they don't get it they won't win.
For Republicans… it’s Israel, Russia and corporate donors. Now I know why they call it a uniparty.
A lot of liberals and Democrats don’t want to hear this, but talking about climate change. Israel/Gaza, transgender rights and setting up a summer camp for squirrels are seen as way too intellectual and “egghead”, nerdy dorky issues. The common voter doesn’t care about that. The common voter cares about money, and safety. Focus on the economy, higher wages, lower prices and security…then you can do the climate reform and talk about abortion and gays.
@@John-ct9zs throw the Ukraine war in there too, and "protecting democracy" while not acting democratically as a party. Out of touch...
Huge areas of the country are experiencing drought due to a warming planet. We won’t be able to grow food to feed ourselves. Homes are being destroyed and lives lost by increasingly violent weather. Those are money and safety issues. Climate change is already affecting us. Trivializing this threat by comparing it to imaginary squirrel camps doesn’t make it go away.
Actually, they don't want to support a holocaust and therefore didn't vote.
@@mygolfbuddy this country doesn't care about democracy anymore. that died years ago.
I agree with that except for Gaza. She could've at least won Michigan as a consolation prize.
One corpse another has no substance. Bad democratic choice
I love you Ezra! That’s one of the most balanced and thoughtful post election perspectives I’ve seen so far. Stay this way, always ❤
All I want to know is... Where are your 15 million votes? Where did they go?
The discrepancy is closer to 6 million with more votes being counted. Trump 75 million Harris 72 million. Do the math
Go woke go broke
They chose the Cheneys over Bernie. The party deserves to crumble. We must start over.
So can we officially retire LatinX 😹
It was barely a thing
What is this?
Don’t act like peak woke didn’t pass years ago.
they the LATINOUTS now. bwahahaha back to mexico!
@@vhufeosqap And why is that?
I honestly think that before democracy is restored again it needs a revamp. It was completely naive, even dangerous for people to think that all you had to do to be able to vote is be over 18 and a citizen of the country. The amount of civic and political ignorance and misinformation in the US is appalling. People should have to take a test like they do to prove they can drive a car to prove they know something about what's going on before they can vote. To argue against this is ridiculous idealism.
Can we all just acknowledge how right Ezra was about the need for a primary!!
Irrelevant. That’s where democrats are and will stay.
i'm just glad i'm white. never have I felt like such a winner in this new era. you could say it's my "trump" card. wink wink
The winning formula is so simple it’s painful dems can’t see it: a fire-breathing charismatic populist, non standard politician who embraces economic populism and the working class, no more identity politics, willingness to enforce immigration conservatively while offering pathways to citizenship, and no more “wokeness” and over sensitivty , it comes off as weak and cringy and it’s killing the party and turning men away
You are missing the point. The Democrats have never been woke. They could not properly define themselves so the gop did it for them.
You want a contest between Trump and somebody imitating Trump. How would that end?
And you're ignoring the fact that Harris did not stress her "black woman" credentials. Trump certainly tried to if you remember his "decided she's black" and "low iq" stuff. So she didn't play the identity card, she said if elected she would reintroduce the bipartisan immigration bill. She didn't bring "wokeness" and over-sensitivity into the campaign. Given that most voters don't pore over congressional speeches from 2017, I think it's fair to judge her on the campaign she actually conducted, rather than the "DNC of the mind" you seem to be referring to.
Mind numbingly obvious to anyone not educated to see trees but not forests.
again - there's nothing wrong with "wokeness". it's perfectly fine for people to be aware of how fucked up things have been for black people in America, the tragedy of Hawaii, our war crimes abroad, the genocide of native Americans, our complete domination of Haiti... I mean, the list goes on and on and on. The absolute and complete corruption of policing in America. The US Gov is the world's largest and most deadly terrorist organization. Men are turning away from giving a fuck about other people? From where do these fucking childish ideas about strength and weakness come from? There are a ton of men's issues that democrats and republicans completely ignore, for sure. But there's no way we can slow down the progression of society for these imbeciles who cannot read at a 7th grade level and drive $80k lifted trucks with "don't tread on me" stickers.
They see it. They’re just completely bought out by Wall Street, big law firms, big consulting firms. Democrats are now the party of Ivy League wealthy coastal elites. Limousine liberals. They are not the workers party anymore. And this realignment seems to indicate they’re okay with the Republican Party (!!!) of becoming the party of the working class
Defeated.
Definitely the best unbiased pod yet
So many are voting against the status quo. It really is just that simple.
You guys are so far gone from reality it’s hard to think you’ll ever see things as they are.
daymn
It's absolutely wild to me to listen to this podcast by Ezra and the incredible denial and lack of recognition that it gives to the average American voter. Trying to sweep away historic stats for an election especially among black and latino voters and their relationship to the republican party. It really shows how stubborn and resilient the media is to the peoples feelings towards the current state of politics. It shows how much the media is out to support one side and they will ignore a damn near political revolution that's happening right in front of their eyes.
We wanted Bernie in 2016 and 2020
Thanks for your thoughtfulness this year, Ezra. I'm a relatively new fan but I appreciate you
If you wanna know where the Dems go from here, ask Bernie
No, no no. You want to ask Bill Maher and Debra Messing and Chris Mathews. I'd include Clinton but no one wants to hear from her. I mean, at least ask them what we should do just so we know what we should not do.
@ bill Maher is gonna go on some inane rant about wokeism
Harris is a DEI hire. Now she is a DEI fire.