Gaffer & Gear 218 - Aputure Nova P600c
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- Gaffer & Gear 218 - Aputure Nova P600c
In this we take a look at the Aputure Nova P600c, and do some comparisons with the Skypanel
00:00 Intro
02:04 Cost and what you get
02:29 The light
06:13 The cables
06:41 The controller
05:53 The inputs & outputs
09:38 Transport case
10:08 Negative / cons
13:32 Pros / positives
14:41 Colors (v Skypanel)
17:50 Brightness
19:58 Modifiers
21:15 DMX (talk)
26:34 DMX (test)
32:41 AC power draw
33:03 Dimming
33:50 Color render (TM:30 RF)
34:19 CCT accuracy
34:50 DuV
25:44 2000K
36:31 2700K
36:57 3200K
37:28 4400K
37:54 5600K
38:31 10000K
38:59 Color Vectors - Фільми й анімація
That transferring the control boxes feature is absolutely awesome. These panels are a terrific alternative to sky panels
Another knockout! Great review. These are so good. I always feel prepared re the pros/cons of new fixtures based on your reviews. Thank you!
Fantastic review as always🙂 You answered all the questions I had before renting them.
Great review! Thank you for taking the time to be so thorough.
Thank you for the in-depth review Andrew!
another incredible episode Andrew, thanks a lot !! 🇧🇷
I was going to go with the p300c to save some money, but the p600c has been on sale for a while now. $2400(with additional 10% discount) out the door with the case. Can't beat that. Supposed to arrive tomorrow. Can't wait to try it out!
Where are you getting the deal with the case?!
Not sure if they deliver outside the US. What's your email? Not sure if I'm allowed to give out details in youtube comment section. @@ardentvibe6917
Used two of those on a music video shoot. 11/10, Great lights with lots of power. Worked flawlessly, even with sidus link and 13 other Aputure fixtures combined
"Let's go through the pros while I'm still friends with aputure" 😂😂😂 love the review. Lots of good points, the gel library thing should hopefully be a firmware update
It's heavy, very bright and full of color. Sometimes it's the perfect tool for the job. Love mine.
Thank you for insight 🙌🏽🙌🏽
I spy a Prolycht Orion 675 FS at 19:22! Been looking forward to a review of this. Looks great on paper.
That episode is delayed while the light is getting further calibration improvements in its firmware.
Hello sir, I know this has nothing to do with the above video but I just found you because of your helpful Gaffer tips on all kind of stands from a while ago. I'm working as a photographer and always wondered what kind of Gaffer, Grip & Gear on set "etiquettes" and "do's & don'ts" there are and what kind of common mistakes. Maybe you can use this as an idea for a new video, compile a bunch of things you do on set to avoid problems or quickly solve them / what to do to not look like a fool while unpacking or tips to avoid scratching surfaces and such. really solid channel btw, keep it up. :)
Andrew thanks very much for all your reviews! You are an absolute Legend!! Learnt a lot from you over the please could you do a video on the Prolycht Orion 675 head I can see you have it on the back of the shot!! Many thanks!!
It's coming, hopefully the next light
Thanks for another detailed review. It is a pity that there is no review about Nanlux Dyno 650C. It is very interesting to compare these two devices.
Yes, I shot two complete episodes on the Dynos and just before publishing them Nanlux majorly changed the firmware including CCT and Color Render accuracy.
Essential making the episodes incredibly incorrect. I told them I'm not shooting it a 3rd time, take your lights back.
The fans are a bit loud on the 650, that would be the major issue for me
@@gaffergear thank you.
thanks andrew
I've been waiting for this review for quite awhile. Excellent work as always! So just to clarify, is the delay in dmx response a direct result of the dmx smoothing? If so, is there not an option to turn off the smoothing on the Nova 600c like other fixtures?
No smoothing off option
Quick update. Smoothing option off is on the way.
Wow I'm surprised this is outputting my LUX at 3m than the Vortex8. The Vortex8 is supppperrrr bright! I love my Nova 300c.
In flood, spot on the Nova is a different beast
I don't know if it was Aputure's marketing, but i feel like the p600c really is underrated in the battle of best panel. I have 2x p300c and love them, but would love so more fire power so may well choose these with the price they are going for. Would love a Vortex but its killer on the wallet.
P.S I love your channel Andrew. Keep it up sir!
I think a negative review at B&H( It has just 3 reviews total) killed the sales of the P600c. Some guy claimed it was just a 1/4 stop brighter than the p300c. Either the guy doesn't know what he's doing or has a damaged unit, because in all my tests it's easily twice as bright as the P300c.
@@nshea3286 A little birdy told me Aputure were scrapping the Nova for a new and updated flexi panel similar to the Amaran. Lets hope not because i love the Nova series and think some great things can come from it.
IMO it’s definitely the best option if you’re not going to go the sky panel route and assuming you don’t want the punch/heft of the vortex. Better than a Gemini for sure which has been the standard “sky panel replacement” for years now.
@@cfl4286 Im curious to see how the vortex 8 (open) compares lux wise with the p600c. it falls short with the cream dome but that dome is rather creamy indeed. Either way if i wanted something hard and colourful, i will use the 600c or a hmi with gel which i still love doing.
@@willchurchill7931 it’d probably blow it away. But the punchiness of the vortex is pretty easily eclipsed by the 600c and especially the Orion 675, so as an owner op it’d probably make more sense to go with one of those seeing as how you can diffuse them easily, they’re lighter and more versatile. The vortex I could see being amazing on big sets where you can rig a bunch of them to lifts and have a big punchy rgb source in the sky.
I'm here just waiting for Andrew to review the Nanlux Evoke 900c 👀👀👀
I have mostly Aputure lights, however RGBACL will be the reason I switch brands (or more accurately go dual brand).
4:20 can you discuss fan noise further? We are in a tight green screen room with singers and actors - picks up anything 😅
It's as loud or quiet as anyone else's!
Hi, where can i find that ball mount you spoke of
It's a kupo product. So anyone that sells kupo should have it. I think part numbers are different in the USA
Kupo KS-207 Junior Angle adaptor, or KG066611 in the USA
Kupo USA is a pain in the ass, they have different order codes to the rest of the world. Every time I do a video on a kupo product, Kupo USA has not got it on their website yet, and when they eventually do they have changed the name, and code numbers.
Hi Andrew
I might have missed it, but is the Nova P600c Sidus compatible?
Yes, but it hasn't got any pixel control yet, at least on the iPad or Android versions that I run. This is apparently coming so I didn't want to outdate the episode by showing an older version of the app
@@gaffergear
Thanks, Andrew
is the dmx something that can gett better in a update or what you see is what you get kinda thing?
Seldom do manufacturers fix all the DMX issues in updates unfortunately
Id love to see your opinion on the mc pro
Review in a while, but as a beta tester of them I can say they are very good.
@@gaffergear i look forward to hearing your in depth opinions on them in a future video. Thank you.
Can you do the aputure amaran f22c. I know it’s not a lightstorm but it’s really useful for booming out!
Episode 196
@@gaffergear oh I totally forgot you already did
why is the color breaking at 15:50 ? What camera are you shooting on? Old Sony? Thank you for great review btw
@@Peachey2 I'm super low budget, it's a mobile phone
@@gaffergear understood, thank you for letting me know.
Can u use this vertical adapter with the nova 300? How is it called?
Yes, kupo junior angle adaptor
Regarding the delta uV in the CCT measurements, doesn't the TM-30 spec have a linear transition from Planckian to Daylight between 4000 & 5000K? Asking so I can understand how you determined the deviation once you got into the daylight values (and how to interpret my own C800 readings). It seems like the reported duV should be referencing the daylight curve by default above 5000k
If you click one of the squares on the basic text page you can select the DuV option and get the numbers from there.
The DuV number always refers to variation from the plankien curve as that was the standard.
Daylight curve is at somewhere around +0.0032 DuV from they plankien curve. Not exactly sure. I can't get a straight answer out of anyone.
In terms of +/- green readings or gel corrections some spectrometers read from the daylight curve and some from the plankien curve. I can't remember which brand does which but if I use my sekonic and my UPRtec I get different gel correction numbers at daylight, but similar numbers at tungsten.
Most lighting manufacturers (including Aputure) now tend to start shifting away from the plankien curve at about 4000K to near the daylight curve or in between the plankien and daylight curve at 5000K+. But the Nova P600c was made just before Aputure adopted this trend and is closer to the plankien curve.
Some manufacturers have been pushing for a Film & TV to be decided on. A curve that follows the plankien at 3200K but then moves up to the daylight curve at 5600k
Until recently the plankien curve was the holy grail of lighting manufacturers because it is a continuous standard (below and above 5000K).
But, the majority of camera manufacturers have pointed out that they follow the daylight curve. For example D55 means 5500K on the daylight curve. D5000 means 5000K on the daylight curve and D65 means 6500k. So lighting is trying to match to cameras now and not super heated metal which is what Kelvin measurements is based on.
The plankien curve, or black body curve, is relative to super heated mentals. Way before spectrometer technology existed. The Daylight curve is based on actual sunlight readings.
The TM-30 scores are regardless of which curve you follow. Think if colour render scores as being correct if the camera is white balanced to the light. For example years ago you could have a light with a TLCI score of 98 but it was green.
I hope this has helped, I only know this from having very long conversations with colour science people from different brands after they have taken issue with my older reviews.
This is why I give a comparison at 5600K to both curves. Because people are split about which is correct as a standard.
@@gaffergear I was a little late to get the notification that you replied, but thank you for such a long and detailed response! Love your content.
Do you know the size Torx screw for the yoke?
I have no idea
Can you share some methods on measuring color render, CCT?
For reviews I run the lights in for hours to make sure the phosphor is bedded in. Minimum 1 hour at 3200 and 5600, but usually a couple of hours for each plus also at bottom and top CCT as well. This also gives me a chance to listen to fan noise and things like that.
I take no more than 10 readings at a time, then I rest the meter for 45 minutes to an hour otherwise I find the meter will drift slightly as the sensor gets hot.
I store the meter inside my house (not the workshop overnight) as I find temperature change can affect the readings.
I let the light settle for about 1 minute at each target value before I take a reading. If it's a high power light (1200+) I let it settle for 10 to 15 minutes at important readings like 3200 and 5600 because the hue can drift in the first few minutes on the super powerful LEDs.
At the end of a meter session I will take the 1st reading from that session again to verify the readings are close and correct.
Depending on the type of light I may be 1 to 3 meters away to ensure all the colours have mixed correctly.
Of course the room is blacked out and I never wear bright coloured clothing.
I find my spectrometers last about 2 years then I can't trust the readings. The accuracy would still be good for on set, but not accurate enough for gear reviews.
Thank you for the very thorough response! Your channel is a gem!
Do you recommend this for a 5m x 5m white background film studio
Possibly 2 of them to get an even spread. I have a client with a studio about 10m wide and they use 3 of these to light the cyc.
Thank you. Will the 300c have enough power or will the minimum be 600?
@@scenicshoots they tell me they run them fairly dimmed. I light a 7m green screen at a studio with two Skypanels, they are only 400w.
I do a 3m background at another studio with nova300, im sure they only run at around 40%
Are you using DMX, if so the 300 is a bit ordinary compared to the DMX in the 600
@@gaffergear I was thinking to build a virtual production studio with short throw projectors but the guys in Reddit suggested I go with green screen if I can't afford an LED wall. So I will probably build a green screen. I am planning to use it for my own channel and my wife's channel and possibly then renting out the space for a $100 or so a day for people that are novices like me but probably a good idea to get things that professional people can use so that I don't have to buy again in the future. The 600c with good dmx is probably the way to go then
Will you review the Mc pro?
Yes
A bit of a delay, we just discovered that my MC Pro kit isn't the release version and has different accessories
@@gaffergear Darn, too bad. You operate on the bleeding edge. haha
We can get realtime gel selection through the app.
The app gives you a very limited selection of gels. The light has around 320 gels programmed into the controller.
lots of comments and videos about dead units. and bad response from aputure. any comment?
I have had one dead unit from them, an MC. But that's one light in the 36 Aputure lights I have owned , and I think one or two faulty head leads early on . I know a few people who have had controllers swapped out but overall they seem to be one of the more reliable brands .
Across all my lights that I own, the average problem rate is 1 in 6 . One in 6 lights will need something fixed in the first 12 months. That jumps to 1 in 4 if it has an internal battery and CRMX
There are just so many components in these things now.
thank you a lot. very informative
Why compare this to a vortex with a dome? The vortex has a flat diffuser panel…
It would be to match beam angles. That flat diffuser on vortex has a more narrow spread than the Aputure
@@cagf2013 No way it matches one to one. It feels like a disingenuous comparison.
No info re battery use?
It's got a 48v inlet. I'm guessing it would have to be a regulated 48v battery. My biggest 48v battery can only do 500w and it could run this ok at about 70%. Aputure were talking about a 4 v-mount power station but I think that idea is dead.
Having wasted a lot of money on high capacity 48v battery system I would suggest one of those battery power station that has AC outputs. Because they are not just limited to 48v lights
Goodbye, money...
Haha
I thought they were alive.