Harstem: *attempting to play with less than 100 apm* Also Harstem (in the first 30 seconds): *micros probe to travel next to minerals before mining to make the probe not de-accellerate so the probe begins mining .1 seconds faster and essentially mining an extra 1 mineral for each time this micro occurs.
Yeah, there was plenty of actions to be saved. Like changing rally from nexzs all the time. For one probe, it means:select nexus, change rally, wait for probe, select nexus again, change rally again. Then you need to select the probe. If you skip thale rally, you save 4 actions. Also to build gateway, select prove from the mineral line, move screen to place, select building and place it, send probe back with shift click. It's like 4 actions. For haslrstem, it is the nexus thing, than select probe few times, build building, send probe back by clicking furiously three times on the mineral. Instead of 4 actions, there is like 25 actions... He could save bunch in the beginning and later micro army like madman.
Actually, i'd like to see Harstem attempting the exact opposite... "Beating Grandmasters with 700+ apm", just constantly spamming the camera and controle group hotkeys until seizure arrives 😂
@@ZC.AndrewI believe so too, there was bug in earlier version with those, if you created views, and přes two or three view keys at once, it would put you into 4k APM easily.
Hello sir, as a representative from the Silver League Players Union, I want to propose you a deal: you can keep your APM as high as you want, but you have to indulge with the actual handicap from our poor macro. Have 25% of your produced probes idling, spend 25% of your time supply-blocked. Show us the power of GM micro with actual silver league macro!
there was this guy that played mass air toss every game with like 120 apm, and he beated clem in an ESL tournament. He did macro nexus to chronoboost his stargate units. I don't remember his name.
Harstem you absolute legend! You have proven that it is worth playing SC2. Myself being too old for a SC career (36), with an avarage-APM of 50+, it was looking hopeless and I felt that I could not achieve more then silver league. Now I know I just need to hit 100 APM to make it possible to climb to Masters. That is do-able. APM is for losers. ❤🔥
right, because protoss doesn't produce all their units from the same hotkey nor do they have only 2 keybinds like zerg and spam 800+ apm at the start just to make a drone and an overlord
@@derekepperson2448there units have on average twice the supply meaningon average half as many to control. They can warp in units to the Frontline. They don't have as many spells to manage. Construction can be qued up with a single probe... the only real challenge they have, as harstem has pointed out many times,is their early to mid game transition. End game for toss is pretty lax once they get there
I've made masters a few times with my gifted 45 year old boomer, 100 odd apm air toss. As soon as you play with gateways its hard to not play with higher apm. But here's hoping I can get some tips from Harstem and make a few more ladder nurds rage.
My apm is 60 on average and I play charglots immortals and arcons with carriers and then I a click the enemy base hope this advice helps you in future games.
honestly this is super good training, when the brain works super fast it can't think as much and you tend to overstress lose focus and make mistakes which you wouldnt if slowed down. every apm´+- should have reason or do something other than keep the brained hyped up, since it should make it worse to be constant on
with less apm, decision making is quite important, ie get a counter attack ready so when they attack, or you want to fight the army, you can also kill some workers, etc stuf like that. scouting is a big thing, what is my enemy doing
this gave me a potentially very funny idea for bgmwss: get a plat or lower player to coach, and harstem is not allowed to follow his own buildorder/plans to attack etc, just the micro, all the decision making has to be done by the coach
Can someone explain to me what exactly counts as action? Does selecting a unit count? Moving the camera? Or just actual orders given to units/buildings?
Yo, ill be first to admit that I'm a total noob at this game, been getting more and more into it recently, but I'm still a bit lost with a few things. How did Harstem get a phoenix that seemed to spawn out of the middle of nothing at 22:30?
It's an ability of the Oracle called Hallucination, it makes a fake unit that can't do damage and takes extra damage from enemy attacks. It's very useful for scouting, and pretty rarely used to make your army look bigger, or waste enemy fire in engagements.
18:45 repeat rates. also its not play slow, its make the action matter, if it doesn't actually matter don't wasted an action; train to only use the click nessesary so you slowly get more and more out off each click and the brain becomes clearer about what it has to do with each move in each situation. spamming is fast but the decisions become hard and precision as well, and no planning while the brain runs high mode
there are a lot of actions that you dont see so easily. Like pressing hotkeys and making or changing control groups. Shift-clicking in general. One building is also usually 5 actions.
As an old Brood War head I do think SC2 estimates the APM higher than tools we used to have in SC1. I don't know which is more accurate but I felt like SC2 was a little inflated. Maybe something to do with inaccurate calculation on fastest game speed?
Just getting to 200 units in 8 min contributes 25 apm already. But you need to do many other things. I have apm around 100 and it is barely enough to macro properly. My apm is also inflated cos I use control groups like in Warcraft 3: a control group of each type of units. Thus, most of the time I have 2-3 control groups and most of the commands need to be duplicated for each control group. I don't play enough, so I have not yet figured a better way
@@iangardner6745 sure, it was just to illustrate the point that even the most basic and necessary things take a significant part of apm of players like those in gold or platinum league. This basic apm also depends a lot on the stage of a game. If you mine 3000 minerals per minute and spend all of it on marines, already from here you get 60 apm.
It's so funny seeing harstem just wait for his APM counter to go down until he does an action, because it doesn't matter. all that matters for your average APM is the total amount of actions. because the average APM is literally total_actions/minutes. If there are actions you're gonna do anyway delaying them isn't gonna help. your average is gonna be the same whether you do them now or 5 seconds later when your APM counter goes down. So the best way to go about this challenge is macro as best you can while minimizing unnecessary actions and maybe choose an army that doesn't require as much APM.
Fundamentally you are correct, if you have a set number of actions over a given time (actions/time) it doesn’t matter if you front load them or spread them out or whatever, the number of actions/time is the same. However, human behavior will always find a way to spoil the most sound plans, so I think that always being slow and methodical about actions is the best chance of not “finding” some extra tasks say if you have already completed all of your macro items and are idle. Real world examples of this is occurring spending/saving money or dieting.
might as well have a challenge where you can only use 1 figure on your keyboard. You can bind your fingers together so you only can use your pointer finger.
Harstem, I think what would make this challenge easier for you is if you try to get around 80 APM rhythm from the start. It's hard to know how much is 100 FPS. I don't know how to explain it better. 120 APM = 2 clicks per second. 100 APM = 1.5 clicks per second. 2 clicks per 3 seconds. Get the rhythm from the start and then you'll be able to keep it during the whole game. Just my two cents Captain! Edit: I remember Spanishiwa and some other pro players back in the Wings of Liberty and day9 days, experimenting with a metronome. It wasn't helping much when they were having 400 APM but when you limit yourself to 100 APM you need to get used to the new rhythm and make every click more efficient. Your APM runs up when you start clicking a lot during unit movement or extra action clicks (repeat rate). If you make 100 APM efficient you will be like a machine with maximum efficiency. :D
harstem, you are worrying too much about apm in this challenge. Instead of the spikes of APM, just focus on using the least number of actions possible, even if you need to increase your apm for a moment to accomplish a bunch of tasks. There are certain tasks that you have to do, and the speed at which you do it won't change your apm, since those are mandatory.
Instead of concentrating on being slow, he should concentrate on not doing redundant commands. like clicking units and buildings when there is no need, doing move commands before placing buildings or doing attack commands, changing waypoints too often.
apm challenge is pretty dumb when you are able to spike 300-500 apm, while average dude with 100 apm just cant do that, its possible only when you trying to intentionally lower your apm, it's not something that slow guys can do. So reality is: you have like 30-50 apm while nothing is happening and then 300-500 when there is an action. And yeah, average is 100, but you had a lot of apm in the most important parts of the game and you had low apm when you dont need high apm anyways. Challenge with max 100 average apm from like past 10 sec is much more realistic and much harder. You can set this counter with some app with sound alarm (so you need to wait) or something like that if you want.
how do we suggest stupid stuff for @Harstem ....I wonder the APM he can keep if he plays on a laptop lying down in bed....or if he tries to eat a bowl of vegetarian thai curry during the game. sloth mode...
@myselfremade Not actually how it works out. No one in Grandmaster has a 50% win rate, it's usually closer to 60%, and dudes like Serral or Clem generally have 70-80%. I think it's a better metric than APM (assuming you have a substantial number of games played). An 80% win rate with 500 games played means you're an absolute beast. 500 APM could be a silver player mashing their keyboard or it could be Reynor. A win is a win, but it actually matters what buttons you press, not how much you press them.
@@unrighteous8745 Im not sure that's valid in reality. There's loads of low level players with really high win rates for periods and low level players with high apm are relatively rare. If you just go and look at peoples profiles on SC2 right now, you'll probably find more high win rate players than low level high apm players, I feel like maybe you don't play the game much cause there is a big correlation to the point you can estimate it like Diamond 1 range (Terran: 160-210 Zerg: 180-270 Protoss: 150-240) Diamond 2 Range (Terran:150-200 Zerg: 170-250 Protoss: 130-220) usually about 90-150 for platinum players, a little lower for protoss and possibly higher for zerg)Masters 3 usually 200-310 (little lower for protoss, little higher for Zerg), Professional players usually 320-600 and so on. This because for most players, APM correlates to how often they're thinking of things to do in the game (including basic macro and micro details and how quickly they're executing those tasks, often how quickly they're capable of executing them, of course some players have more unnecessary actions and that's why there's a range and exceptions to that range but most players are trying to win and they can only press a finite amount of random button presses without impacting their ability to press the ones they need to in the game, for example I think most diamond players would really struggle to win a game with 350apm if they had that opposite challenge) but A high win rate basically just means that their win rate hasn't evened out yet, that they're rapidly getting better alongside the games they're playing (perhaps they've been getting coaching) or they've just started doing a new build/tactic/strategy/playstyle, and of course that they're not playing that many ranked games, and this is possible in most levels especially in lower levels where sometimes getting a different build and a couple of pieces of advice can see players skyrocket in wins. But of course if we're talking about metric of skill then the one that matters most is simply MMR.
@@unrighteous8745 Yes that's how it work by design + some MMR decay, so you will have a better win rate if you don't play constantly. For a really high ranked player it's possible that no one of your skill level is queuing at the same time so you get matched with lower MMR to save queue time. Silver is 50APM not 500APM, I've never seen someone hold down buttons and mash keyboard to increase APM and if they did lol why talk about it? Look at average for every skill level and see how APM is key to skills.
@@Iseenoobpeoples It's definitely a sign of a higher skill player; I just don't think it's the best metric to judge that. I'm in low diamond with about 150 apm, and I see loads of people with 300+ apm at my level. Why talk about it? It's the topic...?
Harstem: *attempting to play with less than 100 apm*
Also Harstem (in the first 30 seconds): *micros probe to travel next to minerals before mining to make the probe not de-accellerate so the probe begins mining .1 seconds faster and essentially mining an extra 1 mineral for each time this micro occurs.
better than spamming
TIL!
Yeah, there was plenty of actions to be saved. Like changing rally from nexzs all the time. For one probe, it means:select nexus, change rally, wait for probe, select nexus again, change rally again. Then you need to select the probe. If you skip thale rally, you save 4 actions.
Also to build gateway, select prove from the mineral line, move screen to place, select building and place it, send probe back with shift click. It's like 4 actions. For haslrstem, it is the nexus thing, than select probe few times, build building, send probe back by clicking furiously three times on the mineral. Instead of 4 actions, there is like 25 actions... He could save bunch in the beginning and later micro army like madman.
Harstem in his high APM ivory tower looking down at the plebian Protoss players struggling to get to 100 APM. "It's too hard to play so slow!"
And then effin goes for blink stalkers as continuation of low-APM strats. No mercy in this episode.
Actually, i'd like to see Harstem attempting the exact opposite... "Beating Grandmasters with 700+ apm", just constantly spamming the camera and controle group hotkeys until seizure arrives 😂
ayo make him see it
Unfortunately/fortunately camera hot keys don't count towards apm, or so I've heard. I think PiG said that
@Buttersman do they not?! Damn, didn't know that...
@@ZC.AndrewI believe so too, there was bug in earlier version with those, if you created views, and přes two or three view keys at once, it would put you into 4k APM easily.
Camera hotkeys are not counted towards the actions meter.
Hello sir, as a representative from the Silver League Players Union, I want to propose you a deal: you can keep your APM as high as you want, but you have to indulge with the actual handicap from our poor macro. Have 25% of your produced probes idling, spend 25% of your time supply-blocked. Show us the power of GM micro with actual silver league macro!
I could not reach 100 APM with my full power back when I played :)
that reminds me of the star crafts gag where apm lever goes to 15
You could get a metronome app and have a metronome set at the appropriate speed to help with your APM lol
there was this guy that played mass air toss every game with like 120 apm, and he beated clem in an ESL tournament. He did macro nexus to chronoboost his stargate units. I don't remember his name.
KingCobra?
@@talesseed yes thank you :)
That’s absurd lmao. Relatable though- I grind for years to slip into M as Z but occasionally airtoss at about the same MMR hahahahaha
I've been saying for a long time, harstem needs to do a macro nexus bgmwss
lol, beated
still, that checks out with how broken airtoss can be
Harstem you absolute legend! You have proven that it is worth playing SC2. Myself being too old for a SC career (36), with an avarage-APM of 50+, it was looking hopeless and I felt that I could not achieve more then silver league. Now I know I just need to hit 100 APM to make it possible to climb to Masters. That is do-able. APM is for losers. ❤🔥
Average protoss grandmaster
right, because protoss doesn't produce all their units from the same hotkey nor do they have only 2 keybinds like zerg and spam 800+ apm at the start just to make a drone and an overlord
@@derekepperson2448 lmao 🤣
Zerg production goes brrrr, and I'm not ashamed to be brrrring all over the ladder. We'll at least at the 2k level of it, but oh well. brrrrrrr
@@derekepperson2448there units have on average twice the supply meaningon average half as many to control. They can warp in units to the Frontline. They don't have as many spells to manage. Construction can be qued up with a single probe... the only real challenge they have, as harstem has pointed out many times,is their early to mid game transition. End game for toss is pretty lax once they get there
@@derekepperson2448 relax man, that was just a joke.
32:20 **spoiler alert** I honestly cannot believe you went 2-1 with under 100 APM! Good show, old chap!!
I've made masters a few times with my gifted 45 year old boomer, 100 odd apm air toss. As soon as you play with gateways its hard to not play with higher apm. But here's hoping I can get some tips from Harstem and make a few more ladder nurds rage.
Very impressive dude! 45 years old playing sc2 at that level is so badass
I agree with the above. Not that 45 is old persay, but most players of any age will never reach Masters. This is very impressive. Congrats.
My apm is 60 on average and I play charglots immortals and arcons with carriers and then I a click the enemy base hope this advice helps you in future games.
honestly this is super good training, when the brain works super fast it can't think as much and you tend to overstress lose focus and make mistakes which you wouldnt if slowed down.
every apm´+- should have reason or do something other than keep the brained hyped up, since it should make it worse to be constant on
Im a plat Protoss/Terran average and diamond zerg. I average 90-100 APM with toss/terran and about 110-120 with Zerg. I volunteer for coaching lol
with less apm, decision making is quite important, ie get a counter attack ready so when they attack, or you want to fight the army, you can also kill some workers, etc stuf like that. scouting is a big thing, what is my enemy doing
this gave me a potentially very funny idea for bgmwss: get a plat or lower player to coach, and harstem is not allowed to follow his own buildorder/plans to attack etc, just the micro, all the decision making has to be done by the coach
I think trying to use as much screen scrolling as possible should save some extra APM as well.
As an 80 APM Protoss, I'm very interested in this challenge!
Love this series🎉 thank you Captain!
@16:46 let's just keep hands off to compensate... taptaptaptaptap
Funny how Harstem going as slow as he can is still 50% faster than me at my fastest
"I was way too fast" (9:29). Nice problem to have :))
Can someone explain to me what exactly counts as action? Does selecting a unit count? Moving the camera? Or just actual orders given to units/buildings?
moving camera is not action, selection and mouse buttons are. Also every key on keyboard is action aswell
moving the camera with the mouse is no action, moving the camera with a hotkey is an action
Great vid Captain! Do you think it is possible to beat GMs with less than 100 APM also with Terran and Zerg?
Its so hard to play so slow xD. Amazing video harstem. liked it a lot
Harstem " its way to hard "
me " ¬‿¬ "
Was worried the German accent wouldn’t come out after heromarine game. Should have known the cap never lets me down.
This is like watching a Lamborghini drive in a school zone
I love this challenge
Yo, ill be first to admit that I'm a total noob at this game, been getting more and more into it recently, but I'm still a bit lost with a few things. How did Harstem get a phoenix that seemed to spawn out of the middle of nothing at 22:30?
It's an ability of the Oracle called Hallucination, it makes a fake unit that can't do damage and takes extra damage from enemy attacks. It's very useful for scouting, and pretty rarely used to make your army look bigger, or waste enemy fire in engagements.
@@roarmalf Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@roarmalf Sentry, not Oracle
I like this challenge a lot! I think the ultimate goal should be 60 APM on average. You should be extrimely effective with every action you do
No more than 1 action per second!
18:45 repeat rates.
also its not play slow, its make the action matter, if it doesn't actually matter don't wasted an action; train to only use the click nessesary so you slowly get more and more out off each click and the brain becomes clearer about what it has to do with each move in each situation. spamming is fast but the decisions become hard and precision as well, and no planning while the brain runs high mode
Jesus, he clicks like 3 things and his APM spikes between 100-300. How the hell!? No way it's accurate.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly, it's either extremely rapid rapidfire or something is off.
there are a lot of actions that you dont see so easily. Like pressing hotkeys and making or changing control groups. Shift-clicking in general. One building is also usually 5 actions.
As an old Brood War head I do think SC2 estimates the APM higher than tools we used to have in SC1. I don't know which is more accurate but I felt like SC2 was a little inflated. Maybe something to do with inaccurate calculation on fastest game speed?
I love how he whispers, like it's going to make him play slower. 😅 lol
"He needs to leave."
Actually, him staying in a lost game is a perfect opportunity to get your average APM down. 🙂
Just getting to 200 units in 8 min contributes 25 apm already. But you need to do many other things. I have apm around 100 and it is barely enough to macro properly. My apm is also inflated cos I use control groups like in Warcraft 3: a control group of each type of units. Thus, most of the time I have 2-3 control groups and most of the commands need to be duplicated for each control group. I don't play enough, so I have not yet figured a better way
Most units aren’t 1 supply, particularly as Protoss. Zealots and stalkers would be half the clicks, carriers and colossi another third from there
@@iangardner6745 sure, it was just to illustrate the point that even the most basic and necessary things take a significant part of apm of players like those in gold or platinum league. This basic apm also depends a lot on the stage of a game. If you mine 3000 minerals per minute and spend all of it on marines, already from here you get 60 apm.
It's so funny seeing harstem just wait for his APM counter to go down until he does an action, because it doesn't matter. all that matters for your average APM is the total amount of actions. because the average APM is literally total_actions/minutes.
If there are actions you're gonna do anyway delaying them isn't gonna help. your average is gonna be the same whether you do them now or 5 seconds later when your APM counter goes down.
So the best way to go about this challenge is macro as best you can while minimizing unnecessary actions and maybe choose an army that doesn't require as much APM.
Fundamentally you are correct, if you have a set number of actions over a given time (actions/time) it doesn’t matter if you front load them or spread them out or whatever, the number of actions/time is the same. However, human behavior will always find a way to spoil the most sound plans, so I think that always being slow and methodical about actions is the best chance of not “finding” some extra tasks say if you have already completed all of your macro items and are idle. Real world examples of this is occurring spending/saving money or dieting.
27:30 to.give you time to get your APM down!!
... while me down in Silver 1: struggling to push myself beyond the 75 APM i've been stuck at for years 🤣🤣🤣🤣
might as well have a challenge where you can only use 1 figure on your keyboard. You can bind your fingers together so you only can use your pointer finger.
always around 60-80. but 80 is when i have alot of stress and i use all my force :D never saw more in my account
there is yet hope for me
why the hell the APM goes to 400 at 15:04?
Genies style
Ok, under 100 APM, using F2 at all fights, including random F2 in the middle of the fight. That's the real challenge!
GoOdy mode
Harstem, I think what would make this challenge easier for you is if you try to get around 80 APM rhythm from the start. It's hard to know how much is 100 FPS. I don't know how to explain it better. 120 APM = 2 clicks per second. 100 APM = 1.5 clicks per second. 2 clicks per 3 seconds. Get the rhythm from the start and then you'll be able to keep it during the whole game. Just my two cents Captain!
Edit:
I remember Spanishiwa and some other pro players back in the Wings of Liberty and day9 days, experimenting with a metronome. It wasn't helping much when they were having 400 APM but when you limit yourself to 100 APM you need to get used to the new rhythm and make every click more efficient. Your APM runs up when you start clicking a lot during unit movement or extra action clicks (repeat rate). If you make 100 APM efficient you will be like a machine with maximum efficiency. :D
Optimal.
bro thinks he's in a vibe b2gm
Why don't those videos have 4k? cmonnn
The challenge should be "protoss player plays above 100apm"
why it looks like my game speed 😢
Become GM without looking like you drank 3 RedBulls and 2 Monster before playing level: impossible
A good mindless way of slowing your apm is to not use camera hotkeys
Easy with toss, wanna see with Terran capitan xD
individually microing probe mining in a low apm challenge even though it provably does not affect any outcome of any game. ok.....
warping in with rapid warp in is irrelevant i think. Same total actions per production cycle
You think wrong
SImilar to holding down the marine and zerling button, the APM skyrockets to like 1000.
Well acckkkually the rapid fire has no effect on the average APM in the game
Massing one unit might help. Less micro potential.
Wow! It even seems so hard to play that slow, and it is not even much slower than my average haha
It would probably be necessary to not do probe and nexus micro
Does camera hotkeys count as apm?
Oh, nvm! You got it!
My hopes are not lost then! Only good decisions is needed, no speed! :D
@@enlightenerr8342camera hotkeys do not count as apm
Now try to make it to GM with Terran and 100 APM.
rapid fire needs to be disabled for this to be possible
harstem, you are worrying too much about apm in this challenge. Instead of the spikes of APM, just focus on using the least number of actions possible, even if you need to increase your apm for a moment to accomplish a bunch of tasks. There are certain tasks that you have to do, and the speed at which you do it won't change your apm, since those are mandatory.
Instead of concentrating on being slow, he should concentrate on not doing redundant commands. like clicking units and buildings when there is no need, doing move commands before placing buildings or doing attack commands, changing waypoints too often.
Why don’t u do it in steps, that’s also 5-6 videos. 350 first, 300, 250 etc
apm challenge is pretty dumb when you are able to spike 300-500 apm, while average dude with 100 apm just cant do that, its possible only when you trying to intentionally lower your apm, it's not something that slow guys can do. So reality is: you have like 30-50 apm while nothing is happening and then 300-500 when there is an action. And yeah, average is 100, but you had a lot of apm in the most important parts of the game and you had low apm when you dont need high apm anyways.
Challenge with max 100 average apm from like past 10 sec is much more realistic and much harder. You can set this counter with some app with sound alarm (so you need to wait) or something like that if you want.
how do we suggest stupid stuff for @Harstem ....I wonder the APM he can keep if he plays on a laptop lying down in bed....or if he tries to eat a bowl of vegetarian thai curry during the game. sloth mode...
Physical restriction challenges arent great tbh. Didnt enjoy; most time was 450 apm then harstem forcing himself to AFK.
Great idea for low apm like a lot of people even me but I don't have the game knowledge
follow-up video: play like you don't know anything but try your hardest with macro and micro
First like?
APM is the metric most correlated to skills/MMR.
I think it's actually win percentage.
@myselfremade Not actually how it works out. No one in Grandmaster has a 50% win rate, it's usually closer to 60%, and dudes like Serral or Clem generally have 70-80%. I think it's a better metric than APM (assuming you have a substantial number of games played). An 80% win rate with 500 games played means you're an absolute beast. 500 APM could be a silver player mashing their keyboard or it could be Reynor. A win is a win, but it actually matters what buttons you press, not how much you press them.
@@unrighteous8745 Im not sure that's valid in reality. There's loads of low level players with really high win rates for periods and low level players with high apm are relatively rare. If you just go and look at peoples profiles on SC2 right now, you'll probably find more high win rate players than low level high apm players, I feel like maybe you don't play the game much cause there is a big correlation to the point you can estimate it like Diamond 1 range (Terran: 160-210 Zerg: 180-270 Protoss: 150-240) Diamond 2 Range (Terran:150-200 Zerg: 170-250 Protoss: 130-220) usually about 90-150 for platinum players, a little lower for protoss and possibly higher for zerg)Masters 3 usually 200-310 (little lower for protoss, little higher for Zerg), Professional players usually 320-600 and so on. This because for most players, APM correlates to how often they're thinking of things to do in the game (including basic macro and micro details and how quickly they're executing those tasks, often how quickly they're capable of executing them, of course some players have more unnecessary actions and that's why there's a range and exceptions to that range but most players are trying to win and they can only press a finite amount of random button presses without impacting their ability to press the ones they need to in the game, for example I think most diamond players would really struggle to win a game with 350apm if they had that opposite challenge) but A high win rate basically just means that their win rate hasn't evened out yet, that they're rapidly getting better alongside the games they're playing (perhaps they've been getting coaching) or they've just started doing a new build/tactic/strategy/playstyle, and of course that they're not playing that many ranked games, and this is possible in most levels especially in lower levels where sometimes getting a different build and a couple of pieces of advice can see players skyrocket in wins. But of course if we're talking about metric of skill then the one that matters most is simply MMR.
@@unrighteous8745 Yes that's how it work by design + some MMR decay, so you will have a better win rate if you don't play constantly. For a really high ranked player it's possible that no one of your skill level is queuing at the same time so you get matched with lower MMR to save queue time. Silver is 50APM not 500APM, I've never seen someone hold down buttons and mash keyboard to increase APM and if they did lol why talk about it? Look at average for every skill level and see how APM is key to skills.
@@Iseenoobpeoples It's definitely a sign of a higher skill player; I just don't think it's the best metric to judge that. I'm in low diamond with about 150 apm, and I see loads of people with 300+ apm at my level. Why talk about it? It's the topic...?