Yeah he's awesome. But imagine YOU in your current state trying to convince yourself to do everything right. Imagine all the things you would have to shed. All the change you would have to implement in your life to obtain that. For me it's terrifying. Nice thing to aspire for but feel like if winters is anything like that in real life it's in his DNA.
There friendship predated camp toccoa before the 101st it was at fort Benning in OCS in April 1942 where they developed thier friendship before being assigned for training to the 101st.
Dont know why, but back in the days it struck into my heart when Winters says ”They dont need me anymore.” Hard to think of that since he was like a big brother for all of them in Easy Company
RooooK he would've said that with all respect. In terms of his trust and confidence in E Company, he felt they were all fit and competent soldiers with what they all went through together. So he felt it was okay for him to move on with his new orders.
It was like a father or big brother talking about his children. They're all grown up. They've gone into this war as hapless boys, most of them. They've been through hell, and come out the other side as *men.* And as better men than ever before. They can handle themselves now. :)
Nixon probably also felt a little guilty about never firing his weapon in combat especially after his Varsity jump where he was the only one that made it out of the plane
The next scene is Winters meeting with General Maxwell Taylor, CO of the entire 101st. The Fact a General would meet with a Major about a transfer and not pass it off to some Colonel, show the respect Maxwell had for Winters.
Well Winters is a very accomplished and highly recommended Battalion Commander. It was very strange that he was doing that as a Capt. or Maj. instead of Lt Col like the other battalion commanders.
I'm not so sure it's that he feels sorry for wanting to transfer, but that he just feels sorry that he would never be able to interact with Easy in the same, personal way again. He had other, bigger responsibilities, and he was right; by that point Easy didn't need Winters' personal guidance to be an excellent unit. It had veterans capable of leading it into the darkest depths of the underworld and back. The way I interpret the scene: Winters is like a parent that realizes his kids have grown up and don't need to rely on him anymore. They needed to go their own way, and he his own way.
I remembered when my Dad told me that they had just finished in Europe and everyone was bracing for the order to ship out to the Pacific to take on the Japanese invasion...and how relieved they all were when they dropped the bomb ending it...
When lockdown was announced last year, I ordered the whole series from Amazon and got a collector’s edition. So happy! Been watching it the whole lockdown. I am going to watch the whole series and Saving Private Ryan this coming Memorial Day weekend.
I guess history really separated Western and Pacific theatres in present day POV and that for these guys, both were still the same war, but it still amazes me that someone like Winters, after having fought through horrors, can still choose to leave immediately into the next battle across the planet
@@blahblah2779 Still, he requested a transfer to immediately deploy to Pacific without knowing the horrors of the Pacific, true soldier at heart right there, boy.
same thing that always happens when they jumped. Loose 40% of their men, fight for weeks under horrible conditions, get used as a normal infantry troop for another 3 months, sit around and do nothing, waiting for orders for half a year
The Japanese were going to do a do or die defense, and anyone that could hold a sword or gun was going to be thrown at our guys that landed their, think iwojima but 20 times worse
I had similar thoughts. Though I felt bad for thinking it, the first time I watched this show a part of me wished they did jump into Berlin at the end of the war in Europe (even though it would have probably cost them some men) just to give the story a good climax. I love this show but one thing that kind of irks me is that the last major battle happens in Episode 7, and the last few episodes is basically just them hanging around waiting for the war to end. It's still good because of the writing and acting, but as a viewer it's a bit underwhelming after everything that happened from Episodes 2-7.
After training for 2+ years and then fighting for another year straight, you get to Austria and the war in Europe is over. You can relax in one of the prettiest countries in the world and take in the spoils of war for a few weeks/months. And instead you volunteer to be shipped out to the pacific immediately... that is one hell of a man
- "It says here youve been missing your duty shifts." - "I wouldnt say Ive been 'missing' them, Bob." - "lol this guy has upper command written all over him. I recommend he gets a promotion right away."
That guy from Office Space sure had a lot of drive before Initech and all those TPS forms killed it. Or So I have enough points to go home. Yeah, I'm gonna need you to transfer to the 13th division.
At least, the cold weather would spare you some of the horrors of the dead. The stinking hot sweltering jungle, with the dead bodies and the maggots, etc. Omg
Ruairí Monophthalmos The Nazis referred to Patton as a gangster. The infantry air born were well trained killers. In fact all the army infantry were in ww2. They were actually more dangerous than gangsters. There was a bounty on the 101st airborne in the Vietnam war. The pacific or Europe and the marines were all the same.
Oh this same scene from the book though little altered in the film version ⬇️ "Evenings, at least as far as Nixon and Winters were concerned, were often spent together ribbing Welsh, who was eagerly anticipating his marriage to Kitty Grogan, an Irish woman he met while in England. Welsh’s two friends tried to convince him that well before their marriage four months hence, some 4-F would sweep her off her feet.“If some draft dodger doesn’t nab her and you do happen to get married,” Nixon said, “Dick and I will steal her and hide her away for the duration of your leave. Unless you hire us to protect her.”“And what might that cost me?” Welsh said, playing along.“One quart of scotch,” Nixon said.“And a quart of ice cream,” Winters added.Welsh did not hire them.Nixon was having his own female problems. Several months earlier, his wife in the States wrote that she wanted a divorce. Winters knew her somewhat. She had taken a house near Camp Toccoa while the 506th was in training, and Nixon had often invited Winters to the house for meals or conversation. Now she was leaving and taking everything, including Nixon’s dog, which possibly angered him more than her departure.In May, Winters convinced Nixon to write to his wife for the first time since the previous November. Nixon protested at first, claiming he had nothing to say to her, only to his dog, but he relented. Possibly it was Winters talking him into it, or possibly it was the effect of the vodka, vermouth and rum he and Welsh were mixing.As Nixon sat down to write, Winters jotted to DeEtta that Nixon was “quite a guy.”“I’ve known him for three years, and lived and slept beside him for two,” he wrote. “This guy loves one thing at this stage of his life: a bottle of spirits or a fight. He’s OK in a fight, but Jesus, outside of that he’s absolutely the most undependable man you’d ever want to meet.”
Who would ever have thought a ginger from England could play Winters so well! Amazing really bc he hasn't made anything near as good since except maybe as Brody.
Loved harry welsh a cool guy dont forget his actor was English to remember him playing harry Enfields gay sons partner in a couple of sketchs in the 90s classic
He's leaving the men, yes, but not his man. Right?! 😉 I love the friendship between Winters and Nixon. (PS: I know Winters isn't leaving.. Probably watched BoB like a 100 times by now)
I get the feeling that had Winters and Nix actually went to Japan. So would have Harry. Sometimes you gotta keep your brothers safe and make sure they dont go out there to fight alone (I say _'alone'_ but Winters had Nix and who knows from Easy company who would have followed Winters.)
Had the invasion of Kyushu turned into a bloodbath worse than the entire western front campaign 44-45 Truman would have cancelled a follow up invasion of Honshu proper and let the Navy blockade it until the japanese agreed to a surrender. Truman had no stomach for long wars of attrition due to his experience in WW1. He was willing to sign off on Kyushu but anything more depended on how bloody it turned out. No matter what happened Truman did not want combat deaths beyond one more year since the german surrender. Either way Kyushu was gonna be the last campaign.
I bet if the rest of Easy Company knew about Winter's transfer request then they would have all, or at least most of them, volunteered to go with him just like Nixon.
Enormous sympathy for the Japanese civilians who died in the atomic bombings but it was worth it to save men such as Winters and millions of others who bought bravely elsewhere. They deserved to go home, not fight another war.
The war would have ended anyway. The Japanese launched a full force attack to the Soviets in China, sending their best and most respected men to them. They failed, which basically was their last result. The A-Bomb was used for propaganda uses, and to show the world the USA was not to be fucked with. (Like they didnt already got that message but it was for the USSR/Soviets) The war with the Japanese would have ended anyway but maybe 2/3 weeks later. The A-Bomb in fact was actually just a genocide.
@@mozes88 That couldnt be more unaccurate. Calculations and estimations made by US high command. predicted that a invasion of mainland Japan would be a struggle taking years costing millions of US lives in the process. They learned that the hard way after Okinawa. While other enemies surrendered and weakened the Japanese become more ferosious with every mile the Americans got closer to Japan. With 4.3 million Japanese soldiers defending the mainland and another 30 Million conscripts (estimated) The US would have to put every single soldier they had on that island to finish the job. The sole reason why those Atomic bombs were dropped were because of that.. not some propaganda reason like the bombings of Dresden. Look up operation Downfall. When the staff of the secretary of war made calculations they expected between 1.7 and 4 million US troops to die on mainland Japan before victory.
@@tacticalgaming4765 Exactly. It wasn't that the japanese wouldn't lose the war, but it would be a hard won fight to the "death" (yeah all war is to the death but you know what I mean). The japanese were absolutely fanatical and the kamikaze pilots are just one of many examples. Those guys would fight until the last man woman and child was dead and the US knew it. Not that they would care much for the japanese, but they used the bombs to skip all that needless death for their own people. They had an ace in the hole and they used it.
Fact: more German civilians were killed in the conventional bombing of Dresden, Germany than were lost in the atomic bombing of Japan. It puts things into better perspective.
@@tacticalgaming4765 The only reason why Dresden was bombed, was because Stalin put pressure on the Allies in the West to keep the Germans busy in front of the Soviet advance. Sir Arthur Harris (and I expect the USAAF) saw no value in bombing Dresden as there were no military or oil facilities to destroy. It definitely wasn't done for propaganda purposes by any means.
Am I the only one who actually thinks it would be kind of cool to see Easy Company fighting in the Pacific after all they've seen and done in Europe? I mean assuming the Atom Bomb was never dropped and the Allies decided to attack Japan in force.
If they also needed to fight in the Pacific there wouldn't be probably a Band of Brothers movie because more Easy Company's soldier would've died. So be happy they also didn't had to fight in The Pacific otherwise there wouldn't be a Lipton or Gaurnere or Luz or Speirs or Roe or Babe or Liebgott or whatever....
al Mamlūk in my honest opinion, Easy had seen enough. To paraphrase the German General, they all deserve long and happy lives at peace. It would have torn me apart to see the "Battered Bastards of Bastogne" become the "Gutted Gustos of Guadalcanal" No, these men have more than earned their time in peace.
That was General Maxwell Taylor, Commanding General of the entire 101st. For a General to take a meeting with a Major, and not pass it off to some Colonel, show the Respect Taylor had for Winters. He even tells Winters that in the meeting.
jack taylor the Pacific was far worse then the Atlantic toward the end while the Germans were surrendering on mass toward 1945 the Japanese were heavily involved in operation ten go and kamikaze attacks it was worse experience toward this time in the war nobody but those really committed to the fight wanted to go I don't blame them
SuperFortress well because allied casualty figures included Soviet forces on that front it was bitter down to the end. For US forces serving on the Pacific front was worse and more intense then serving on the Atlantic. Especially because as the war progressed the Japanese got more fanatical and desperate as the war came to an end
SuperFortress yes while I'd say that was true overall though the campaigns that costed american lives in the overall extent from initiation of mission to mission complete was the Pacific theater because the Japanese just wouldn't surrender and where trying take as many Americans as they could down with them l.
Sure. This was a system designed to pick who got to go home first in a reasonably fair way. You got 1 point for every month of military service, an additional point for every month of overseas service, 5 points per battle star or decoration, and 12 points per dependent child up to a max of 3 (36 points). When you reached 85 points you were eligible to go home. In this way people who had been there longest and people whose families needed them home for support got to go home first, while those who had only recently arrived would leave last. Hope this helps.
Interestingly Harry Welsh and Louis Nixon both died in 1995. Winters gave the eulogy for Lue but there is no record of whether Winters attended his funeral. I would like to think he did as they both lived in Pennsylvania.
In my mind the extraordinary times brought out extraordinary men. If these men were of today's generation they probably wouldn't seem so incredible, just going about their lives, if that makes sense? Like the war itself is what gave them the opportunity to show just how outstanding they were
Winters was an Impressive Man. But considering Nixon said He never even Fired his Gun in Combat. Its more Impressive to me that he would Tag along to another Battlefield with Winters just to not leave him Alone.
Imagine if the U.S. chose not to use the Atomic Bombs and instead launched an invasion of the Japanese home islands. Imagine how different our history would be. Easy company and the 101st would probably have gotten to jump into Tokyo. How many of the men who survived D-Day, Market Garden, Bastogne, Hagenau, Berchtesgaden, etc. that went on to live lives of peace would have died in Japan? Would Winters and Nixon have survived? Interesting to think about. The projections for a theoretical 1946 invasion of Japan considered up to 1 million US casualties, with countless more Japanese civilian deaths as well. It's awful to think about but the atomic bombings were the lesser of two evils.
not really. Japan were close to surrendering, and in fact were trying to do so with a few conditions, like immunity to prosecution for The Emperor. Then the USSR invades Manchuria and wipes out close to a million Japanese troops, and the Imperial Japanese Army suddenly realises the war is utterly unwinnable. There's a historical argument the A-Bombs were dropped by Truman in the hopes it would make the Russians reconsider, respect Yalta, but also hopefully back off of the idea of turning half of Europe communist.
Man - you fight along side someone for a couple of years and then you get dumped? 🙂 I know there are not supposed to be close friendships with officers but when you've been through that much with someone it is kind of tough to all of a sudden change like this. I'm guessing the Major got an offer he couldn't refuse.
Probably quite a few...to finish the job, to maintain the camaraderie...to maintain the adrenaline...If I were there, I'd follow him...Winters would be the first to say he does not care, but he should have been made a full bird...
His character here is a bit hypocritical if you think about it. Day of days closes with him saying after all this is over he promised to find some small corner to live out the rest of his life in peace. Then the opportunity to go to war in the far east comes up and he signs up immediately.
Yeah, actual Harry did go home and marry her, forgot what he did as a job though. If you look on UA-cam for the end scene of BoB, it tells what all the surviving members of Easy did after the war ended. Though, considering you said this two weeks ago you might already know.
Brandon Gonzales I’m sure they didn’t consider themselves lucky, everybody was patriotic back then and wanted to do their part in the war effort, I’m sure they felt cheated.
Also worth considering it's not like it was a unit of greens. No doubt much of the officer corp and NCO's of the 13th would have seen combat in other light infantry and airborne divisions before being transferred to make up the core of the new unit.
We live in a generation of Human's that get offended to easy. Young people who hurt others steal things, this was the best ever generation , they dont make men like this anymore
I agree that people get offended way too easily. I truly believe that happened when that PC crap was indoctrinated into people's lives. I hate PC. You can be polite and sensitive to others without being PC. However, I differ with you about that generation being the best ever generation. No doubt, they were people of conviction and great courage. But I think that it was the "very last generation" of the "best ever" generations of great men. I have read history in depth (not just textbook) and it is unbelievable how we have spiraled downward to our own time in history. Men of great resolve was the norm back in the 1700's-1800's to mid 1900's. A handshake agreement was as good as a signed contract. An act of cowardice blackened your name for good, etc. These days, if our ancestors could see the state we are in... they would be appalled at what our nation... and this world has become. Thankfully, even though they are few... we still have some who are cut from the old mold of men... men of honor. One can only hope that their numbers will increase in future generations... that the tide will turn in their favor.
we became too self aware through decadence and they DO NOT teach history in schools Can you believe it!! This America. Altho a lot of these men were not drafted, the draft should be restored! How unfair all this shit is now! All these pussified men at home do is bitch about their cell phone reception.
@@c44LuWanda What a load of crap, The only reason a lot of soldiers signed up was to eat and get out of poverty at that time. I m pretty sure if half those men were living today they would never have joined.
As a service-member that’s done his time, serving during combat changes you. Hell, serving for more than a simple 4-year hitch changes you even during peacetime. Once you’ve served, there’s no going back to what was “normal”.
Nellie's PC Workshop Because you just dont have a soldier's mentality bud. A soldier's job is never done. They want to help when and wherever they could, no matter the personal cost.
Probably the same reason why he volunteered for the Airborne - at least he had a say in how he was going to serve. Winters probably figured he'd get reassigned to the Pacific Theater sooner or later, this way he gets to choose which unit he's going to serve with instead of being randomly assigned by some bureaucrat in Washington.
"They don't need me anymore"
That's a simple but very powerful line that kind of sums up the series.
Yeah it is very touching 💔
And yet, I think everyone of those men would ask for a transfer in order to go with him.
"I can't let him go by himself he doesn't know where it is"
Hahaha Nixon has to be the funniest one
Ddddde
"How could I tell Kitty I had the chance to come home and didn't so I could drop on Tokyo?"
"Alright...so don't tell her."
Yeah, I loved him as "Peter" in "Office Space" too!
" Nixon has to be the funniest one"
Only the way he smokes.
"yeah I'm fine quit lookin at me like that" *after getting shot in the head*
I don't think there's ever been a "character" I've wanted to be more than Major Winters. One of the most impressive men ever.
All of us. Well, most of us, anyway.
Yeah he's awesome. But imagine YOU in your current state trying to convince yourself to do everything right. Imagine all the things you would have to shed. All the change you would have to implement in your life to obtain that. For me it's terrifying. Nice thing to aspire for but feel like if winters is anything like that in real life it's in his DNA.
You are saying what's in my heart! This man's character is so fascinating.
How about Audie Murphy or thousands of other true American Heroes. The choice is endless.
Personally, I more identify with Oddball! :P
Love that Nix is going with him, a friendship made even deeper by the shared horror of war.
coz his VAT 69 is in his foot locker.. hehe
There friendship predated camp toccoa before the 101st it was at fort Benning in OCS in April 1942 where they developed thier friendship before being assigned for training to the 101st.
I don’t think Nix knew where he was going either lol.
@@paulready8897 he was the Intel officer so probably not 😂
Dont know why, but back in the days it struck into my heart when Winters says ”They dont need me anymore.” Hard to think of that since he was like a big brother for all of them in Easy Company
RooooK he would've said that with all respect. In terms of his trust and confidence in E Company, he felt they were all fit and competent soldiers with what they all went through together. So he felt it was okay for him to move on with his new orders.
@@TheMainMayn Nailed it.
His line also served a second purpose. Easy company was in good hands: Captain Ronald Speirs another amazing leader
you finally realize the children have flown the coup.
It was like a father or big brother talking about his children.
They're all grown up. They've gone into this war as hapless boys, most of them. They've been through hell, and come out the other side as *men.*
And as better men than ever before.
They can handle themselves now. :)
"I can't let him go by himself, he doesn't know where it is."
Nixon, the ever straight guy and dependable friend.
It’s beyond badass that Winters and Nixon were more than willing to potentially do it all over again in Japan.
Kinda like Bob & Bing in another of their "Road to" flicks.
Nixon probably also felt a little guilty about never firing his weapon in combat especially after his Varsity jump where he was the only one that made it out of the plane
Of course Nixon wouldn't let his best friend jump into Tokyo without him.
Winters was a guy whom Nixon would follow anywhere.
Especially after seeing those boys die, in operation varsity
Nixon wanted to do his fourth combat jump in the Pacific...and without firing a round.
luckily, the a-bomb did really do their job
The next scene is Winters meeting with General Maxwell Taylor, CO of the entire 101st. The Fact a General would meet with a Major about a transfer and not pass it off to some Colonel, show the respect Maxwell had for Winters.
Well Winters is a very accomplished and highly recommended Battalion Commander. It was very strange that he was doing that as a Capt. or Maj. instead of Lt Col like the other battalion commanders.
@@Mourtzouphlos240 Battalion XO was a Major's Billet but it just took time for Promotions to go through during wartime.
Not Taylor. That's General Eldridge Chapman, CO of the 13th Airborne.
@@benm2370 But in the show he says he is meeting with General Taylor.
@@johnharris6655 I'll buy that when you point out where. The General is wearing the patch of the 13th rather that the 101st.
The look Winters gives Harry before he says "they don't need me anymore" feels like he really feel sorry for wanting to transfering.
I'm not so sure it's that he feels sorry for wanting to transfer, but that he just feels sorry that he would never be able to interact with Easy in the same, personal way again. He had other, bigger responsibilities, and he was right; by that point Easy didn't need Winters' personal guidance to be an excellent unit. It had veterans capable of leading it into the darkest depths of the underworld and back. The way I interpret the scene: Winters is like a parent that realizes his kids have grown up and don't need to rely on him anymore. They needed to go their own way, and he his own way.
"They don't need me anymore. Great line.
Very deep, a true leader will know when his time has come or if they need him more elsewhere
You’re leaving the men, after watching the whole series, that line stings to hear
The pain of that sting, for me, was soothened a bit when Winters replied "They don't need me anymore.
Turned it from bitter to bittersweet.
I remembered when my Dad told me that they had just finished in Europe and everyone was bracing for the order to ship out to the Pacific to take on the Japanese invasion...and how relieved they all were when they dropped the bomb ending it...
Probably the most successful and most tearful remark made by Major Winters, “they don’t need me anymore”
For me it’s was definitely his very last quote. The real Winters that is, in his interview.
When lockdown was announced last year, I ordered the whole series from Amazon and got a collector’s edition. So happy! Been watching it the whole lockdown. I am going to watch the whole series and Saving Private Ryan this coming Memorial Day weekend.
I love this scene. Just looking at these guys and all they have been through--it baffles the mind.
a perfect scene for sure.
I guess history really separated Western and Pacific theatres in present day POV and that for these guys, both were still the same war, but it still amazes me that someone like Winters, after having fought through horrors, can still choose to leave immediately into the next battle across the planet
He had no clue what the pacific war was like. If he did, he wouldn’t have.
@@blahblah2779 Still, he requested a transfer to immediately deploy to Pacific without knowing the horrors of the Pacific, true soldier at heart right there, boy.
Nixon and winters a friendship goals
When I saw this it broke my heart when Winters said ' they do not need me anymore'
I like to imagine a 'What if Easy Company jumped in Japan' alt-history scenario.
Damar158 many would die
We wouldn't have needed the nukes
same thing that always happens when they jumped. Loose 40% of their men, fight for weeks under horrible conditions, get used as a normal infantry troop for another 3 months, sit around and do nothing, waiting for orders for half a year
The Japanese were going to do a do or die defense, and anyone that could hold a sword or gun was going to be thrown at our guys that landed their, think iwojima but 20 times worse
I had similar thoughts. Though I felt bad for thinking it, the first time I watched this show a part of me wished they did jump into Berlin at the end of the war in Europe (even though it would have probably cost them some men) just to give the story a good climax. I love this show but one thing that kind of irks me is that the last major battle happens in Episode 7, and the last few episodes is basically just them hanging around waiting for the war to end. It's still good because of the writing and acting, but as a viewer it's a bit underwhelming after everything that happened from Episodes 2-7.
Like a father to his old children
They're big boys and girls.
They can take care of themselves now. :)
Yeah But Still
After training for 2+ years and then fighting for another year straight, you get to Austria and the war in Europe is over. You can relax in one of the prettiest countries in the world and take in the spoils of war for a few weeks/months. And instead you volunteer to be shipped out to the pacific immediately... that is one hell of a man
Join Snafus's mortar team
Haha
They gonna get to meet Tojo and Fuckface?
Time to steal some peaches
I hate this war. So im not gonna go anymore.
You're going AWOL?
No, I'm just not gonna go anymore.
- "It says here youve been missing your duty shifts."
- "I wouldnt say Ive been 'missing' them, Bob."
- "lol this guy has upper command written all over him. I recommend he gets a promotion right away."
@@SvendleBerries So, Col. SInk. What would you say you DO around here?
Yeeeeaaaahhhh ... if you could just go ahead to the Pacific to fight in another war ... that'll be great .. OK
Have the honor of being from Wilkes-Barre, PA where Harry is from
BPG Productions so it's pronounced "wilkes-bury"?
SantomPh yes
Do the people there still remember him
Is there any kind of monument there for him?
What? No way. That's amazing. I had no idea he was from there.
That guy from Office Space sure had a lot of drive before Initech and all those TPS forms killed it.
Or
So I have enough points to go home.
Yeah, I'm gonna need you to transfer to the 13th division.
If you could do that, that'd be gggrrreeeeaaattt
Imagine how nuts these guys would have been to end the war in Europe, and do the same in Japan. Would have been truly incredible.
He and his men were all HEROES I wish i COULD BE like him
Major Winters Ned Stark these men!
GOD Bless these Men of Easy Company...
I brought this and kept.. I love this historic movie
Daaamn those uniforms were cool and good looking...
The USArmy has a retro uniform that looks almost identical to what Winters is wearing. It's the current issue.
@@timf2279 Always Thought The US Uniform Was is Cooler And Better Than The British One
@@jamesbarker2567 Those red tabs on the British Army uniforms always remind me of the Soviets.
The irony 13th airborne never saw combat
That was a hell of a generation.
Fighting in the Pacific seems so much worse; you have kamikazes, the Japanese were relentless, and the weather
plus the men in Europe slept in houses in the pacific you were lucky to sleep in tents
At least, the cold weather would spare you some of the horrors of the dead. The stinking hot sweltering jungle, with the dead bodies and the maggots, etc. Omg
@@jackcloud4728 Men in Europe slept in foxholes and bivouacs. Houses were a luxury the infantry couldn't afford, no matter the theater of war.
yeah the front lines the men who came off the line could sleep in houses in town behind the line.
@@jackcloud4728That can be said about frontline rotation in general though, including rotation in the Pacific.
The 11th airborne was my uncles outfit in the Pacific they were the gangster end of the military. My uncle reminded me of Maj Winters .
What do you mean by 'gangster end of the military'? Just curious.
Ruairí Monophthalmos probably meant that they fought dirty. Only way to really make it through the pacific.
Ruairí Monophthalmos The Nazis referred to Patton as a gangster. The infantry air born were well trained killers. In fact all the army infantry were in ww2. They were actually more dangerous than gangsters. There was a bounty on the 101st airborne in the Vietnam war. The pacific or Europe and the marines were all the same.
MAJ Winters never ended up in the 13th.
CNE So? So what?
Really liked this scene...
God those US Army WW2 era uniforms are fucking hot
It beats All to Hell the crap uniforms they have today: all that fake camouflage and covered with Velcro…
love it!
Oh this same scene from the book though little altered in the film version ⬇️
"Evenings, at least as far as Nixon and Winters were concerned, were often spent together ribbing Welsh, who was eagerly anticipating his marriage to Kitty Grogan, an Irish woman he met while in England. Welsh’s two friends tried to convince him that well before their marriage four months hence, some 4-F would sweep her off her feet.“If some draft dodger doesn’t nab her and you do happen to get married,” Nixon said, “Dick and I will steal her and hide her away for the duration of your leave. Unless you hire us to protect her.”“And what might that cost me?” Welsh said, playing along.“One quart of scotch,” Nixon said.“And a quart of ice cream,” Winters added.Welsh did not hire them.Nixon was having his own female problems. Several months earlier, his wife in the States wrote that she wanted a divorce. Winters knew her somewhat. She had taken a house near Camp Toccoa while the 506th was in training, and Nixon had often invited Winters to the house for meals or conversation. Now she was leaving and taking everything, including Nixon’s dog, which possibly angered him more than her departure.In May, Winters convinced Nixon to write to his wife for the first time since the previous November. Nixon protested at first, claiming he had nothing to say to her, only to his dog, but he relented. Possibly it was Winters talking him into it, or possibly it was the effect of the vodka, vermouth and rum he and Welsh were mixing.As Nixon sat down to write, Winters jotted to DeEtta that Nixon was “quite a guy.”“I’ve known him for three years, and lived and slept beside him for two,” he wrote. “This guy loves one thing at this stage of his life: a bottle of spirits or a fight. He’s OK in a fight, but Jesus, outside of that he’s absolutely the most undependable man you’d ever want to meet.”
Who would ever have thought a ginger from England could play Winters so well! Amazing really bc he hasn't made anything near as good since except maybe as Brody.
Loved harry welsh a cool guy dont forget his actor was English to remember him playing harry Enfields gay sons partner in a couple of sketchs in the 90s classic
It's good thing Winters never went to the pacific for I believe he would have died there. It was a whole different war back there.
He's leaving the men, yes, but not his man. Right?! 😉
I love the friendship between Winters and Nixon.
(PS: I know Winters isn't leaving.. Probably watched BoB like a 100 times by now)
Now that's an aggressive leader
I get the feeling that had Winters and Nix actually went to Japan. So would have Harry. Sometimes you gotta keep your brothers safe and make sure they dont go out there to fight alone (I say _'alone'_ but Winters had Nix and who knows from Easy company who would have followed Winters.)
Had the invasion of Kyushu turned into a bloodbath worse than the entire western front campaign 44-45 Truman would have cancelled a follow up invasion of Honshu proper and let the Navy blockade it until the japanese agreed to a surrender. Truman had no stomach for long wars of attrition due to his experience in WW1. He was willing to sign off on Kyushu but anything more depended on how bloody it turned out. No matter what happened Truman did not want combat deaths beyond one more year since the german surrender. Either way Kyushu was gonna be the last campaign.
I bet if the rest of Easy Company knew about Winter's transfer request then they would have all, or at least most of them, volunteered to go with him just like Nixon.
Enormous sympathy for the Japanese civilians who died in the atomic bombings but it was worth it to save men such as Winters and millions of others who bought bravely elsewhere. They deserved to go home, not fight another war.
The war would have ended anyway. The Japanese launched a full force attack to the Soviets in China, sending their best and most respected men to them. They failed, which basically was their last result. The A-Bomb was used for propaganda uses, and to show the world the USA was not to be fucked with. (Like they didnt already got that message but it was for the USSR/Soviets) The war with the Japanese would have ended anyway but maybe 2/3 weeks later. The A-Bomb in fact was actually just a genocide.
@@mozes88 That couldnt be more unaccurate. Calculations and estimations made by US high command. predicted that a invasion of mainland Japan would be a struggle taking years costing millions of US lives in the process. They learned that the hard way after Okinawa. While other enemies surrendered and weakened the Japanese become more ferosious with every mile the Americans got closer to Japan. With 4.3 million Japanese soldiers defending the mainland and another 30 Million conscripts (estimated) The US would have to put every single soldier they had on that island to finish the job.
The sole reason why those Atomic bombs were dropped were because of that.. not some propaganda reason like the bombings of Dresden. Look up operation Downfall. When the staff of the secretary of war made calculations they expected between 1.7 and 4 million US troops to die on mainland Japan before victory.
@@tacticalgaming4765 Exactly. It wasn't that the japanese wouldn't lose the war, but it would be a hard won fight to the "death" (yeah all war is to the death but you know what I mean). The japanese were absolutely fanatical and the kamikaze pilots are just one of many examples. Those guys would fight until the last man woman and child was dead and the US knew it. Not that they would care much for the japanese, but they used the bombs to skip all that needless death for their own people. They had an ace in the hole and they used it.
Fact: more German civilians were killed in the conventional bombing of Dresden, Germany than were lost in the atomic bombing of Japan. It puts things into better perspective.
@@tacticalgaming4765 The only reason why Dresden was bombed, was because Stalin put pressure on the Allies in the West to keep the Germans busy in front of the Soviet advance. Sir Arthur Harris (and I expect the USAAF) saw no value in bombing Dresden as there were no military or oil facilities to destroy. It definitely wasn't done for propaganda purposes by any means.
Nixon is gonna carpet bomb Tokyo with TPS reports.🤣
Anyone know the the casualty rate for American officers between the war in the Pacific and Europe theater?
Is that the same location used in Smiley's People as a sanitorium? On Lake Thun Switzerland?
Am I the only one who actually thinks it would be kind of cool to see Easy Company fighting in the Pacific after all they've seen and done in Europe? I mean assuming the Atom Bomb was never dropped and the Allies decided to attack Japan in force.
i don't mean to insult or to offend them but war in europe is nothing compared to the pacific
Francis1989ers you COD kids just sit down and shut up. Stubbing your toe is probably hell for you
If they also needed to fight in the Pacific there wouldn't be probably a Band of Brothers movie because more Easy Company's soldier would've died. So be happy they also didn't had to fight in The Pacific otherwise there wouldn't be a Lipton or Gaurnere or Luz or Speirs or Roe or Babe or Liebgott or whatever....
al Mamlūk in my honest opinion, Easy had seen enough. To paraphrase the German General, they all deserve long and happy lives at peace.
It would have torn me apart to see the
"Battered Bastards of Bastogne"
become the
"Gutted Gustos of Guadalcanal"
No, these men have more than earned their time in peace.
Daniel Cannata more like collect tax free money in Okinawa
I see him and I think of Mo's Tavern
It was an interesting interview Winters had with I think it was a colonel regarding a transfer to 13th airborne. I believe he was denied.
That was General Maxwell Taylor, Commanding General of the entire 101st. For a General to take a meeting with a Major, and not pass it off to some Colonel, show the Respect Taylor had for Winters. He even tells Winters that in the meeting.
I’ll be back in Wilks-Barre makin’ babies
If easy went to the Pacific , none of the taccoa men in combat roles would've survived , good job they didn't
jack taylor maybe they could survive
under much worse condition though
More messed up than it is
Hello no, the fighting in the Pacific was like bastogne but without the cold, omg no way
jack taylor the Pacific was far worse then the Atlantic toward the end while the Germans were surrendering on mass toward 1945 the Japanese were heavily involved in operation ten go and kamikaze attacks it was worse experience toward this time in the war nobody but those really committed to the fight wanted to go I don't blame them
SuperFortress well because allied casualty figures included Soviet forces on that front it was bitter down to the end. For US forces serving on the Pacific front was worse and more intense then serving on the Atlantic. Especially because as the war progressed the Japanese got more fanatical and desperate as the war came to an end
SuperFortress yes while I'd say that was true overall though the campaigns that costed american lives in the overall extent from initiation of mission to mission complete was the Pacific theater because the Japanese just wouldn't surrender and where trying take as many Americans as they could down with them l.
Um, I have a question I wanna ask, I love this series. Can someone fill me in the points system. Cheers❤️ RESPECT TO ALL OUR FORCES AND SERVICES
Sure. This was a system designed to pick who got to go home first in a reasonably fair way. You got 1 point for every month of military service, an additional point for every month of overseas service, 5 points per battle star or decoration, and 12 points per dependent child up to a max of 3 (36 points). When you reached 85 points you were eligible to go home. In this way people who had been there longest and people whose families needed them home for support got to go home first, while those who had only recently arrived would leave last. Hope this helps.
They may not NEED him, but everybody could use a good Dad.
Interestingly Harry Welsh and Louis Nixon both died in 1995. Winters gave the eulogy for Lue but there is no record of whether Winters attended his funeral. I would like to think he did as they both lived in Pennsylvania.
Can somebody tell me where they filmed this? I am from slovenia so its possibility that this is weekend trip distance.
Brienz, Switzerland
Someone should go through the enire miniseries and put together " Wintersims" on s manual on leadership.
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Welsh and Compton should have made CPT when they left the Army.
I would like to know where are men like this today?
In my mind the extraordinary times brought out extraordinary men. If these men were of today's generation they probably wouldn't seem so incredible, just going about their lives, if that makes sense? Like the war itself is what gave them the opportunity to show just how outstanding they were
When a respected officer realizes the war is not 100% over.....he's like, well... shit.
Winters was an Impressive Man.
But considering Nixon said He never even Fired his Gun in Combat. Its more Impressive to me that he would Tag along to another Battlefield with Winters just to not leave him Alone.
You dont get ever get a boss like Major Winters
where in austria are they
13th Airborne....Rakkasans ⛩⛩⛩😎😎😎
Imagine if the U.S. chose not to use the Atomic Bombs and instead launched an invasion of the Japanese home islands. Imagine how different our history would be.
Easy company and the 101st would probably have gotten to jump into Tokyo. How many of the men who survived D-Day, Market Garden, Bastogne, Hagenau, Berchtesgaden, etc. that went on to live lives of peace would have died in Japan? Would Winters and Nixon have survived? Interesting to think about. The projections for a theoretical 1946 invasion of Japan considered up to 1 million US casualties, with countless more Japanese civilian deaths as well.
It's awful to think about but the atomic bombings were the lesser of two evils.
not really. Japan were close to surrendering, and in fact were trying to do so with a few conditions, like immunity to prosecution for The Emperor. Then the USSR invades Manchuria and wipes out close to a million Japanese troops, and the Imperial Japanese Army suddenly realises the war is utterly unwinnable.
There's a historical argument the A-Bombs were dropped by Truman in the hopes it would make the Russians reconsider, respect Yalta, but also hopefully back off of the idea of turning half of Europe communist.
Wasn't anything in the Pacific left to jump into. Gen. LeMay had already burned almost every Japanese city to the ground.
Yeah but for the US they had to end the war that this Japanese started
Man - you fight along side someone for a couple of years and then you get dumped? 🙂 I know there are not supposed to be close friendships with officers but when you've been through that much with someone it is kind of tough to all of a sudden change like this. I'm guessing the Major got an offer he couldn't refuse.
How did those men keep their dress uniforms caught up to them?
Is that you Makarov?
I thought the same thinkg :D
I do wonder if Winters had to jump on Japan how many in the band would transfer with him.
Probably quite a few...to finish the job, to maintain the camaraderie...to maintain the adrenaline...If I were there, I'd follow him...Winters would be the first to say he does not care, but he should have been made a full bird...
They probably couldn’t though. Normal soldiers need to stay in their outfit. Only higher officers can ask for these deployments.
His character here is a bit hypocritical if you think about it. Day of days closes with him saying after all this is over he promised to find some small corner to live out the rest of his life in peace. Then the opportunity to go to war in the far east comes up and he signs up immediately.
The job wasn’t done…
I think they are very lucky they didn’t have to go to Japan.
Did winters and Nixon go to Japan? I can't remember what happened.
The Japanese surrendered before they had the chance to go.
Welsh was 100% right.
Did Kitty end up waiting for him?
Yeah, actual Harry did go home and marry her, forgot what he did as a job though. If you look on UA-cam for the end scene of BoB, it tells what all the surviving members of Easy did after the war ended.
Though, considering you said this two weeks ago you might already know.
@@jigglesworth9312 He ended up being an administrator for the Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania school system.
And his parachute was used to make the wedding dress for Kitty just as he wanted.
@@akashpal4315 I would have thought that the army would have wanted to keep the parachute.
a 4-f is someone considered unfit for military service in the us military
13th Airborne. Pitiful unit. Trained, trained, trained. Never saw combat.
I’m sure they’d consider themselves more lucky than “pitiful.”
Brandon Gonzales I’m sure they didn’t consider themselves lucky, everybody was patriotic back then and wanted to do their part in the war effort, I’m sure they felt cheated.
Also worth considering it's not like it was a unit of greens. No doubt much of the officer corp and NCO's of the 13th would have seen combat in other light infantry and airborne divisions before being transferred to make up the core of the new unit.
I guess 13 *is* a lucky number
You couldn't be bothered to De-Squeeze Anamorphic format?
We live in a generation of Human's that get offended to easy. Young people who hurt others steal things, this was the best ever generation , they dont make men like this anymore
I agree that people get offended way too easily. I truly believe that happened when that PC crap was indoctrinated into people's lives. I hate PC. You can be polite and sensitive to others without being PC. However, I differ with you about that generation being the best ever generation. No doubt, they were people of conviction and great courage. But I think that it was the "very last generation" of the "best ever" generations of great men. I have read history in depth (not just textbook) and it is unbelievable how we have spiraled downward to our own time in history. Men of great resolve was the norm back in the 1700's-1800's to mid 1900's. A handshake agreement was as good as a signed contract. An act of cowardice blackened your name for good, etc. These days, if our ancestors could see the state we are in... they would be appalled at what our nation... and this world has become. Thankfully, even though they are few... we still have some who are cut from the old mold of men... men of honor. One can only hope that their numbers will increase in future generations... that the tide will turn in their favor.
we became too self aware through decadence and they DO NOT teach history in schools Can you believe it!! This America. Altho a lot of these men were not drafted, the draft should be restored! How unfair all this shit is now! All these pussified men at home do is bitch about their cell phone reception.
@@c44LuWanda
What a load of crap,
The only reason a lot of soldiers signed up was to eat and get out of poverty at that time.
I m pretty sure if half those men were living today they would never have joined.
Ok Boomer stay ignorant
Why would you want to go back into the shit... I just don't get that. You endured a nightmare in Europe, just go back home that would be my choice.
Because for the last two years, the only reality they've known is War. After a while, it's all they get used to, all they know.
Nellie's PC Workshop after everything that's been done and seen, how could anyone return to a normal, boring existence when they've changed so much?
As a service-member that’s done his time, serving during combat changes you. Hell, serving for more than a simple 4-year hitch changes you even during peacetime. Once you’ve served, there’s no going back to what was “normal”.
Nellie's PC Workshop Because you just dont have a soldier's mentality bud. A soldier's job is never done. They want to help when and wherever they could, no matter the personal cost.
Probably the same reason why he volunteered for the Airborne - at least he had a say in how he was going to serve. Winters probably figured he'd get reassigned to the Pacific Theater sooner or later, this way he gets to choose which unit he's going to serve with instead of being randomly assigned by some bureaucrat in Washington.
Son of a bitch, that isnt even funny #harry hahaha
Thank GOD for the atom bomb, it saved so many American lives. The Japanese suffered the consequences of starting a war.