The TRUTH About SLIP ANGLE...

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    If you want to go fast in racing games & sim racing, understanding what slip angle is and how it works is critical. Let me explain...
    As your tyres reach the limit, they gradually relax their grip on the road and stretch. Due the elasticity of the rubber, the tyre has to deform to achieve maximum traction.
    As your cornering speed increases, the tire contact patch ends up pointing in a slightly different direction than the wheel is actually facing. The angle between the direction the tire is pointing and patch the car is following is the slip angle.
    The tires traction limit, and it’s cornering limit is achieved within an optimum slip angle range. Up until that range is reached, the tire is not generating its maximum traction. show graph These particular tyres are at peak traction when there is 6-10 degrees of slip angle.
    Let's look at 4 different drivers and see how they utilise slip angle.
    Our first driver has probably just started sim racing, and is a little inexperienced and conservative with his driving. He consistently drives with the tyres in the 2-5 dergee of slip angle range. As you can see from the graph, the tyres are not at their traction limit here. Driver 1 is not driving at the limit, and therefore, he will be slow.
    Driver 2 has a bit more experience, and is known to be a little on the wild side. He consistently overdrives the car. But what does that mean? Well he always drives through the corners with a slip angle above 10 degrees. In other words, he’s sliding the car too much. Of course, it looks great on video, but the graph shows that in this traction range, the limit of the tyres has begun to decrease.
    Our final two drivers are consistently cornering in the 6-10 degrees of slip range. Both are extremely fast. Both are cornering at about the same speed. Both are driving the car with the tires at the limit. SO, whats the difference? Driver 3 is cornering in the upper end of the 6-10 degree range, whereas driver 4 is around 6 or 7 degrees. Again, cornering speed is the same, but driver 3 is sliding a little more, causing ,more heat build up in the tires. Both drivers will run at the front of the pack early in a race, but driver 3’s tyres will eventually overheat and his speed will fade away.
    Driver 3 is cornering with around 9 degrees of slip, whereas driver 4 is using around 6 degrees. Their cornering speed is almost identical. This tiny difference means driver 3’s tyres will gain more wear and tear throughout the race, and eventually overheat - making his speed fade away.
    The goal is to drive the lowest possible slip angle that maintains maximum traction. However, the difference in speed between cornering with a slip angle of 2 degrees and 12 degrees may be just 1 or 2 miles per hour. It’s very subtle.
    Fast drivers have developed a feel for how much slip they’re using, and using their tyre temperatures, they can adapt their driving style accordingly. There’s no secret to “using” slip angle, you just have to get experience under your belt and develop a 6th sense for it.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 170

  • @Emmy_Redux
    @Emmy_Redux Рік тому +277

    I absolutely adore how informative your videos are

  • @desktop328
    @desktop328 Рік тому +29

    I studied this when i was in college, the book i read had a section on slip angle but this is a way better explanation. I think i actually understand it now.

  • @ky_1219
    @ky_1219 Рік тому +46

    Fun fact, the plateau in maximum slip angle to grip ratio becomes a lot smaller the gripper the tire becomes. For example the graph bloke shows is what a slip angle of a street tire would look like, a long plateau with a smooth drop off in grip. If you were showing the graph for grip to slip angle on a racing slick, there would be a very narrow margin for peak grip before a very sudden drop off.

    • @hongthainguyen5334
      @hongthainguyen5334 9 місяців тому +3

      In other words manufacturers factored in how people would understeer on the streets

  • @newfie_miata
    @newfie_miata Рік тому +60

    I love these instructional videos for aim racing, but I use them for irl driving and it really has helped me learn to control my car better from lift off in corners to initiate slides to the art of passing

  • @Rollingzoku89
    @Rollingzoku89 Рік тому +38

    This made me realize I was taking advantage of the 80s f1 tyres in AMS2 yesterday when I sent the worlds 4th fastest time on Brands Hatch GP. There was a certain point I was sideways but using all the traction of the rubber cause I outpaced the ghost in that specific corner. Cool video

  • @ArtixZs
    @ArtixZs Рік тому +78

    Man bless you for being such a knowledgeable driver

  • @theodebordeaux8368
    @theodebordeaux8368 Рік тому +5

    Those short videos you make are a good to the longer ones, it's still informative and easy to watch

  • @renz1013
    @renz1013 Рік тому +4

    Thanks a lot for the follow up video. This is a lot of help mostly because of the community I'm in. They think slip angle could just be *tuned* into the car

    • @tiagobelo4965
      @tiagobelo4965 Рік тому

      I mean, it kind of just exists
      As long as you have rubber tires you cant tune it in or out, what they are talking about is probably rotation or yaw rate
      You can increase it by, for example, toeing your rear end out.

    • @renz1013
      @renz1013 Рік тому

      @@tiagobelo4965 i tried to explain that but it goes no where

  • @weok-doing-things
    @weok-doing-things Рік тому +1

    Wow. I remember studying such topics with books from Ross Bantley. And here we are 5-10 years later people make very fun and easy to understand videos on youtube for all of us. Great. Thank you!

  • @mikhailstatsenko4062
    @mikhailstatsenko4062 Рік тому +11

    That is insanely right and intuitively explained , sss tier simracing content. Something i have been dreaming of making, but on a larger scale with way more detail, for more experienced guys.

    • @karlalliban
      @karlalliban Рік тому +4

      Yeah, that’s because he’s taken the wording and exact example from Ross Bentley’s book, Ultimate Speed Secrets, P33.

    • @mikhailstatsenko4062
      @mikhailstatsenko4062 Рік тому +1

      @@karlalliban thanks, might be a good read

  • @akioasakura3624
    @akioasakura3624 Рік тому +27

    How do you know when you’re in the right range? Also, with cars that aren’t balanced, so a front limited car for example, it will slide the front sooner than the rear. If you drive at the optimum range of the front tyres, the rears still have potential left. What handling do you use in this situation, or when it’s the opposite and the car is rear limited?

    • @zwenkwiel816
      @zwenkwiel816 Рік тому +8

      bring a protractor?

    • @akioasakura3624
      @akioasakura3624 Рік тому +1

      @@zwenkwiel816 💀💀💀 serious

    • @asdasd-om8tj
      @asdasd-om8tj Рік тому

      you use trailbraking with understeering awds and fwds, or you can stiffen rear springs/sway bar or increase tire pressure at the rear

    • @akioasakura3624
      @akioasakura3624 Рік тому +1

      @@asdasd-om8tj but how do you know whether you’re in the range?

    • @asdasd-om8tj
      @asdasd-om8tj Рік тому +2

      @@akioasakura3624 with experience you can find the feel for the optimal slip angle for the given corner, it varies track to track

  • @jimmyvasquez5298
    @jimmyvasquez5298 3 місяці тому +1

    Back when i used to drive a camry this is exactly what would happen, at first i didnt control the slip, it would happen randomly as i did the turn but then i realized that if i just turned the wheel a little bit faster imbetween the start and the midle of the corner the car would slip towards the center of the turn and i could take the corner sideays, id do this going 70-80 in corner that were meant to go 40 in the mountains

  • @idontlikewasabi
    @idontlikewasabi Рік тому +1

    mate, the amount of editing going into these videos is incredible!

  • @lahtine876
    @lahtine876 Рік тому +35

    Explain it once and for all❌
    Do 2 videos of correcting✅

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +5

      this is the last one haha

  • @zwenkwiel816
    @zwenkwiel816 Рік тому +2

    me sitting in my sim rig with a protractor: *confused noises*

  • @DreamcastSoup
    @DreamcastSoup Рік тому +3

    Goddamn; amazes me how well you transition your content.

  • @Rafael-gy8ph
    @Rafael-gy8ph Рік тому +3

    it would be fun (not sure if helpful at all) an app to see on screen your tyre slip angle

  • @MedievalRally
    @MedievalRally Рік тому

    I really enjoy the information to duration ratio of this video. No faffing about whatsoever.

  • @Andrew20pp
    @Andrew20pp Рік тому

    Why dont you have more subs and views? This channel is dope.

  • @evandoyle891
    @evandoyle891 Рік тому +3

    I know this sounds weird but try it on your local track with an old car you know your doing it right when your wheel is going from turned to strait throughout the corner. Its much easyer to feel in real life and you can bring that to the sim.
    Buuut wear a helmet and dont use an suv more like the slightly sportyer family car.
    I said nothing. You didnt hear this from me

  • @TheLPN05Fan
    @TheLPN05Fan Рік тому +1

    What about FWD Handbrake turns. When to use it, how to do them and such. Both Hairpins and Chicanes and 90° turns.

    • @sav7123
      @sav7123 10 місяців тому

      You want tires that allow lots of slip angle on FWD for rotation, Nankings, Falkens etc.

  • @saulalvarez4351
    @saulalvarez4351 Рік тому

    man se que no sabes español pero que te quiero man buen trabajo

  • @6GRACINGVODS
    @6GRACINGVODS 5 місяців тому

    What would the perfect slip angle be in a gt3 car? And does psi have anything to do with optimal slip angle

  • @steliosrmk9492
    @steliosrmk9492 Рік тому +1

    video on how to tune your car properly 4wd, fr, ff and mr

  • @tombai6058
    @tombai6058 Рік тому

    The most useful video I've ever seen

  • @bread7809
    @bread7809 Рік тому +1

    Pretty good explanation

  • @TopHatTwin
    @TopHatTwin 5 місяців тому

    I am using a GT86 and I can't seem to shift weight to the front long enough even if I'm completely off throttle. Can anybody help?

  • @look6312cJ
    @look6312cJ Рік тому

    what you using PPFilter? your graphic setting is masterpiece

  • @Emmy_Redux
    @Emmy_Redux Рік тому +2

    What's the song that plays right at the start of the video?

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +3

      miss you sped up

    • @Emmy_Redux
      @Emmy_Redux Рік тому

      @@TSRB Thank you!

  • @Rafael-gy8ph
    @Rafael-gy8ph Рік тому +1

    this must be TSRB favourite topic, I just know it c:

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +1

      I see people misusing the term slip angle everywhere now, because of my first video on it 💀 just trying to correct myself

    • @tiagobelo4965
      @tiagobelo4965 Рік тому

      @@TSRB honestly mate, you might be better off deleting the original and just making a new video with the corrected info

  • @GhostOfDamned
    @GhostOfDamned Рік тому

    The best way a game shows this is in beamNG Drive with cars which have tall and narrow tyres

  • @kellarj8674
    @kellarj8674 4 місяці тому

    What happens if I slams petrol pedal when slipping. I don't know how physical work, but I like to doing it.🤨

  • @Timsturbs
    @Timsturbs 3 місяці тому

    name of the song in the first 5 seconds of the video?

  • @GaeLordPhockHer
    @GaeLordPhockHer Рік тому

    This man is giving maximum effort in every single video

  • @steliosrmk9492
    @steliosrmk9492 Рік тому +1

    more track videos we love them

  • @cole-racks3389
    @cole-racks3389 Рік тому

    I’m going to learn today

  • @SlavJerry
    @SlavJerry Рік тому

    what pp filter and weather script are you using?

  • @Trench_Rock
    @Trench_Rock Рік тому

    Great explanation!

  • @RogueBeatsARG
    @RogueBeatsARG Рік тому

    That Evo 4 is so good looking! its the DDM one? or Sam´s?

    • @FrosenHell
      @FrosenHell Рік тому

      ddm

    • @RogueBeatsARG
      @RogueBeatsARG Рік тому +1

      @@FrosenHell yeh i noticed after commenting for the headlights! that car drives so good

  • @jnr1989
    @jnr1989 Рік тому

    How do you know the degrees in tyre deformation? I mean... is there a device to measure it or it is on the telemetry from the game?

  • @XGPLAYZ
    @XGPLAYZ Рік тому

    Helpful thanks!

  • @alsa4real
    @alsa4real Рік тому +1

    Great video

  • @CarraigButler
    @CarraigButler Рік тому +1

    my problem is i have this feeling irl but not in games

    • @SHIZURAKU
      @SHIZURAKU Рік тому +2

      That's okay, my problem is, i don't care i just drive

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +3

      idk the feeling through the seat irl translates pretty well to force feedback in games for me. It's strange, they're the exact same sensations but through different parts of your body.

    • @NerdyCatCoffeeee
      @NerdyCatCoffeeee Рік тому +2

      in games the feeling is similar to when you 're going into understeer, except it's not complete understeer, but rather very very small part of it.

    • @CarraigButler
      @CarraigButler Рік тому +1

      @@TSRB I just find it difficult because I can feel all 4 wheels individually irl but to simulate that would cost enough money to buy a shitbox to terrorize the streets with. but I get what you mean I just don't think my Logitech g29 and wooden rig is gonna be enough. but I'll sure as hell keep trying

  • @darkninja9499
    @darkninja9499 Рік тому

    bro had to call the emperor racing crew

  • @LurizanFian
    @LurizanFian Рік тому

    thx for the info

  • @bhante1345
    @bhante1345 Рік тому

    Is PSI a critical factor here too?

  • @otavionardini9819
    @otavionardini9819 Рік тому

    tour edition is awesome

  • @EmoDKTsuchiya
    @EmoDKTsuchiya Рік тому

    Well done

  • @gmmo
    @gmmo Рік тому

    very nice bro..

  • @abinari
    @abinari Рік тому

    jesus christ it took me a while to realize its sim footage and not real life

  • @Ihappyboy1234
    @Ihappyboy1234 Рік тому

    Hey TSRB why don’t you try a car game call midnight racing tokyo on roblox also theres usb things to make your steering wheel work with pedals

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +2

      ive tried it a few times in videos and on stream but its just not my kinda game unfortunately

    • @Ihappyboy1234
      @Ihappyboy1234 Рік тому

      @@TSRBoh I didn’t seen them can you show me you clips you did but that’s fine your such a skill driver but ok that’s fine

    • @Ihappyboy1234
      @Ihappyboy1234 Рік тому

      @@TSRB I saw a video of one
      If you press m it change the gear shifting mode at st mt you are decent at the game for a beginner

  • @x_x_6427
    @x_x_6427 Рік тому

    Thx

  • @Hizziefoshizzie
    @Hizziefoshizzie 7 місяців тому +1

    Speed secrets

  • @riffsage
    @riffsage Рік тому

    i think we can all agree driver 2 looked the coolest

  • @jmlacorte7620
    @jmlacorte7620 Рік тому

    Can I have your graphic settings?

  • @TGCPhilip
    @TGCPhilip Рік тому

    Wait, how would you track your tyre temperature IRL?

    • @jn1211
      @jn1211 Рік тому +1

      sensor probes have been a thing for a good long while now

    • @TGCPhilip
      @TGCPhilip Рік тому +1

      @@jn1211 and I haven't heard of them for a good long while until now

    • @SSmallwood
      @SSmallwood Рік тому

      come in after a lap w a laser heat gauge and check the inner, middle and outside. this is also how you know where to adjust your camber but you MUST be running close to the limit of the car and tire beforehand

  • @Zbar_q
    @Zbar_q Рік тому +1

    *M Y L E G S H A V E S L I P A N G L E*

  • @soju69jinro
    @soju69jinro 9 місяців тому

    i drive like initial D with initial D music...

  • @Gass0208
    @Gass0208 Рік тому

    intro music ?

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому

      miss you sped up

    • @Gass0208
      @Gass0208 Рік тому

      @@TSRB thanks bro

  • @tfdima
    @tfdima Рік тому

    i am definitely driver 2

  • @JP-wu8ek
    @JP-wu8ek Рік тому

    I use to own this car

  • @tshendadorji2103
    @tshendadorji2103 7 місяців тому

    You sound like Kanata

  • @aliraz5961
    @aliraz5961 Рік тому +1

    now i understand why ryosuke lost

    • @onyjdm
      @onyjdm Рік тому

      what

    • @sav7123
      @sav7123 10 місяців тому

      Ryosuke had them booty cheek tires

  • @M4kkaraperunat
    @M4kkaraperunat Рік тому +1

    OMG SLIP ANGKE IS THE BEST DRIVING THECHNIQUE EVER 1!1!!1!1!

  • @brugley1090
    @brugley1090 Рік тому +3

    slip fart

  • @imcappuccino
    @imcappuccino Рік тому

    As an ex-dev, I doubt those physics irl is simulated properly in sim games (but you can be right) Anyway, I’m just here to admire the EVO4. It’s hard to find a clean EVO4 irl nowadays…

    • @julian10000
      @julian10000 Рік тому

      I've heard they corrected slip angle from ac to acc because it was like too much slide in ac, idk how true is that

    • @SSmallwood
      @SSmallwood Рік тому

      in sims with physical tire models such as rFactor2, LFS and BeamNG their simulation is 'correct' as close as the devs can get it. but AC and other tire models try to emulate as best they can. AC isnt a very good sim in todays standards, ive been simming for over 7 years and can say that with no hesitation.

    • @SSmallwood
      @SSmallwood Рік тому +1

      @@julian10000 depends on the car/if its a mod. if you go to content manager ->content->*any car*->unpack data and look at the tire data you can see the amount of flex, optimal slip angle, heat/grip ratio etc. many mods are made by kids who havent sat in a car before and they end up feeling like toys that you can just throw into anything. the Kunos/Arch physics mods are some of the best there are out there in terms of irl. they may be a little bit exaggerated in terms of how easy they step out and rotate but if youve ever spun a car irl... youll know

    • @julian10000
      @julian10000 Рік тому +1

      @@SSmallwood my pc can't handle anything close to ac...

    • @SSmallwood
      @SSmallwood Рік тому

      @@julian10000 dang, if you want to learn theory before doing sim racing i recommend driver61 and other actual race car driver and coaches to learn from. listening to TSRB is like listening to someone on top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger effect scale

  • @komamix
    @komamix Рік тому

    This is brilliant!!!! Subbed

  • @0luc83
    @0luc83 Рік тому

    These fast pace videos with this song are terrible, please go bacc

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +1

      thanks!!!

  • @abundantharmony
    @abundantharmony Рік тому +1

    If you want to go fast... dont drift.
    PS: What software are you using to animate?

  • @christiantaylor1495
    @christiantaylor1495 Рік тому

    Driver one has ONLY JUST STARTED SIM RACING and is already cornering with slip angle 💀

    • @Xerxes1337
      @Xerxes1337 8 місяців тому

      tires need slip angle to turn, it's not a special technique or anything.

  • @Edalontzia
    @Edalontzia Рік тому

    So speed sliding from track mania is real??

  • @reclaimer0018
    @reclaimer0018 Рік тому +1

    its extremely easy, just corner up to where the tires almost lose grip. thats it. when you get more consistent you can hit the lowest slip angle with maximum grip.

    • @Viezyyy
      @Viezyyy Рік тому

      Your actually not doing it, you see slip angle is unintentional and comes if ur right at the limmit, it comes random but u can make it consistent

    • @reclaimer0018
      @reclaimer0018 Рік тому

      @@Viezyyy yes you said what i said but u added that it is random, dont you need slip angle to turn in the first place anyway?

    • @Viezyyy
      @Viezyyy Рік тому

      @@reclaimer0018 slip angle is usually a foot away

    • @Viezyyy
      @Viezyyy Рік тому

      u can acheave real slip angle by making a setup, or trail braking, etc

    • @reclaimer0018
      @reclaimer0018 Рік тому

      @@Viezyyy so by just taking the corner properly or tuning your setup…

  • @podio_km4g532
    @podio_km4g532 Рік тому

    Always good for a laugh (not for driving techniques though)

    • @M4kkaraperunat
      @M4kkaraperunat Рік тому

      wdym this is the best driver i have seen

    • @podio_km4g532
      @podio_km4g532 Рік тому

      @@M4kkaraperunat yeah sure I'm pretty sure he could destroy Hamilton if he was gonna race him irl😂

  • @rajunaidu7751
    @rajunaidu7751 Рік тому

    Nani

  • @largetarp
    @largetarp Рік тому +2

    Damn I’m early

  • @septanos
    @septanos 3 місяці тому

    Delete all old vids relating to slip angle mate youve created a whole lot of audience who dont know what it actually is

  • @remissiveslave
    @remissiveslave Рік тому

    Do game's even simulate this?

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +1

      Simulators do

  • @ClayWheeler
    @ClayWheeler Рік тому

    All these explanation Blah Blah doesn't matter if the player is using Keyboard.
    Because with keyboard, it is either Full Steer or No Steer. It is either 1 or 0 no in-between.

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +2

      sir this is a sim racing channel

  • @shine9094
    @shine9094 Рік тому

    Bro love the videos but just... Stop with these thumbnails. Please.

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +1

      when they stop outperforming thumbnails without the cars edit i will

  • @FronezGez3592
    @FronezGez3592 Рік тому

    This has not really fully explained how to actually do slip angle nor how to control it

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому

      try watching the video again

  • @mahuba2553
    @mahuba2553 Рік тому

    dude, slip angle cant be explained, its like riding a bike, you have to drive to learn it

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому +1

      just explained it

    • @mahuba2553
      @mahuba2553 Рік тому

      @@TSRB didnt understand one thing you said i am taking my vectra out to see if any of it is true and if i oversteer 5 degrees more than what you said i am disproving your video

    • @TSRB
      @TSRB  Рік тому

      @@mahuba2553 what i said in the video made 1000x more sense than that comment