I think its extremely funny that the one major takeaway I remembered from your REALLY THAT GOOD GHOSTBUSTERS episode was that Ghostbusters appealed to children partly because the idea that science could overcome the supernatural was an idea that could inspire kids with the thought that the things they fear were defeatable through manmade tools, rather than by using some piece of magic from the ancient supernatural evil’s lore… …And this movie does the exact opposite and immediately makes it that this evil thing can only be defeated through destiny and magic, thereby undoing the main thing that made ghostbusters thematically compelling to children.
why haven't they spun this off with OTHER TEAMS in OTHER CITIES?! Tap local flavor, make the city a character itself so to speak... If Law & Order can pull it off...
It’s so strange to me-they specifically mention the possibility of a franchise in the first film, yet this never happens. Instead, we mostly get rehashes.
This franchise has gotten so concerned with making sure to be "respectful" to the original movie and whatnot, they completely forgot that the original movie was a comedy and didn't take itself that seriously. :/
I have the complete opposite take. It was a ridiculous premise taken seriously and that's what made it so funny. A bunch of middle aged men running around New York, exterminating ghosts like cockroaches is stupid unless you play it straight and revel in the irony. The problem with the 2016 remake was that it didn't respect that and practically parodied the original premise/characters. (Their casting choices were also a huge mistake. There were other female comedians who could do much better that didn't get hired and the director was a shit choice who treated them poorly; complete loss all-around.) This one's too scared to be problematic like the original. Venkman was a sex pest, Ray was clearly on the spectrum and ridiculed for it, Egon was also on the spectrum but was largely ignored and Winston was a footnote straight man who ended up being the best part of the movie that just didn't have enough time to really shine. I feel like they had leaned into that more, it would've been better comedy wise but maybe alienate modern audiences. IDK.
@@NoirRaven The joke of many scenes in the original Ghostbusters movies is that Raimis and Spengler take everything really seriously and Venkman is deeply unable to take anything seriously. The issue with the 2016 movie is that it is way too improv focused. I think all the actresses were clearly talented comedians but you can unfortunately feel their effort at being funny because they don't have a script to fall back on. Wiig's character could have been a more effective "straight man" because she has an entire arc that is about her desperation to be taken seriously, but she almost fully devolved into doing the same style of over-the-top humor as the rest of the cast.
@@kennethaunstrup It's like being a literary science fiction fan. For a genre that supposed to be forward-looking, there sure are a lot of gatekeepers who insist you must have read a bunch of 60 year old books to be a "real" fan.
If I recall from RTG: Ghostbusters, wasn’t the hook for kids with that movie that any goofball could fight monsters if they just cobbled together the right trap? That they didn’t have to be inherently special or have a certain destiny or connection to events but instead just needed a little know how and a can-do attitude which has enormous appeal to children who often don’t feel like inheritors of a legacy. This sounds like a total contradiction of that original secret ingredient. “Nope, sorry kid. Good luck against the Boogie Man unless you were born into the right family destined to defeat it.”
This movie made me think of your other video series "Really that good." Remember when you pointed out that when the Ghostbusters defeated Gozer it was through the power of science? You made a big point about how there wasn't some magical maguffin they needed to find, no chosen one super power, no prayer that had to be said, etc...but here they TOTALLY did that! They had some guy who was the last descendant of some ghost fighting fire bending wizards who had to claim his birthright and figure out how to use his magical powers to defeat the bad guy in line with an ancient prophesy, pretty much ANTITHETICAL to how things worked in the original movie! The real insult added to the injury is that they actually HAD the proper solution there, when they figured out that this particular ghost was vulnerable to brass and the girl realized if she plated the plasma generator in her proton pack with brass it would be able to work against this god-ghost who was too powerful for the stock packs. That was the PERFECT way to tie in the defeat of this ghost with the way they beat Gozer in the original movie and they screwed it up so we could get a guy with his magical fire whip BS.
The goal of a Legasequel should be to be a shot in the arm to set up new stuff. It's a 1st act. That makes it strange to repeat it, especially when the previous was as much of a success as was likely possible. I suspect a desire to continue using the legacy cast as much as possible while that's still possible may be strategically holding the whole franchise back from moving forward. Hate it as much as you will, but at least the most recent Star Wars films committed to transitioning away from the familiar faces.
Fun fact I learned from re-watching the Lethal Weapon movies: Murtaugh only ever says the line he's most known for two times across four movies. His actual catchphrase that he says in every movie is "go spit!"
The most disappointing thing about this movie is the wasted potential. How do you create the Melody character and not immediately realise that you need to make a movie that deals with the ethics of ghost catching and indefinite containment??? It's right there!
As a millennial my generation's sad devotion to media empires is painful. I'd still take that over the depressing sight of Gen X trying to bend reality itself to convince themselves every 7/10 comedy they saw on TV is a foundational text of western civilization.
Before the fires start, Skizz, if you really don't know about Lady Ghostbusters and the Internet-manchildren hissy fit, head on over to Wikipedia and bask in the horror. If you're winding us up, well played. You got me.
I liked lady ghost busters just fine lolz. So did movie bob. It wasn't super great but not terrible either. End and plot were whatever. Villain meh. Ladies hit or miss. But that Thor was effing hilarious. It was okay : )
OK, I chuckled at the "Bob pulling his own plug" at the end. Well played my dude. I loved Ghostbusters in 84 as a late maturing 12 year old. By the time the cartoons and sequel came around, I was "too cool" for all that stuff. Fast forward to 2016 and I got some chuckles out of that one, but it was neither amazing, nor as appalling as many other dudes in their 40s thought. I guess I didn't cling so hard to that part of my childhood to consider it ruined by a movie that was merely "fine". When Afterlife came around, it certainly punched all the nostalgia buttons, but I was left feeling it did it egregiously, much like JJ Abrams did to Star Wars and Trek. Loving homages, but not doing enough new or interesting. And now we come to "Frozen Empire" which just look boring from the first trailer. Even the name does nothing to spur interest. I consider myself a modest fan of the franchise, but Hollywood needs to learn how to create an interesting movie first, and then pepper in natural nostalgic references to give older fans something to enjoy. I feel like Jason Reitman is a decent person for the job, but needs to either be un-shackled, or have someone to challenge him creatively. He obviously respects the property, but I fear he holds it in too much reverence. I'll wait on this one.
The real second Ghostbusters sequel was the Terminal Reality video game. Aykroyd and Ramis really did a good job in it and the in-engine scenes were amazing (pre-renders not so much).
@@jasonblalock4429 I thought it was the opposite, that they had to coax him back late in the day. Either way, it explains why Venkman has very little screentime in the game.
I am from Kansas City, so I honor bound to love Paul Rudd…but when I saw the commercial with him mugging at the camera while turning on the proton pack, it killed what little interest I had in this.
Ghostbusters / Alien / Predator / Terminator were all fun 80s movies. But can we please have something new? I don't need another reboot/legacy-quel of an existing franchise.
Easy - just pick from the 99% of movies that aren’t “blockbusters”. It seems to be a pervasive mindshare problem more than anything else. Sometimes I wonder if the average moviegoer has Stockholm syndrome.
@@voltijuice8576yeah, there’s plenty of great movies out there, but I like big budget action movies too and it’d be nice if we got more original ones instead of rehashes.
Over100 movies get theatrically released in the US alone every year, let alone all the international films or the stuff going straight to streaming and tv shows. There's tons of "something new", you just never hear about it until the award shows.
Watching Adam Savage do BTS promos with the prop makers for ghostbusters... kinda makes me sad everything needs to be a movie or prestige show, when some really fun B+ monster-of-the-week TV is basically just sitting there.
I always thought so. Liked the original, thought I wanted more of it. But by the end of the year I moved on to whatever else. the cartoon aired a full 2 years later, an eon to a nine year old, and I concluded ‘no, the first movie was good enough.’ No need for more of this. I was actually surprised when I heard Ghostbusters referred to as a ‘comedy classic’ around 2000 or so. I thought the consensus opinion held it as a fun, improbable romp good enough for its time, but not an era landmark.
@@75aces97 cartoon was good until ABC hired Q5 to "fix" the show and ended up ruining it by focusing WAY too much on Slimer and making Janine into more of a motherly type.
I love the second one - the creepy painting, the giant tongue in the bath - I was so scared as a kid I made my dad leave the cinema and take me home! LOL
@@jadedheartsz At least GB16 was genuinely trying to recapture the "slobs vs snobs" vibe of the original GB and similar comedies around that time, even if it didn't do a great job at it. I didn't care much for either it or Afterlife, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to rewatch one of the reboots, I'd probably choose GB16.
@@jadedheartsz It was just a new gen of ghost busters that are all ladies. It's literally just ghost busters but more modern and with female instead of male. Other than that it was the same deal lololol. You were just a sexist pos if you hated on it massively. I can understand not being hyped, but if you were one of those cux raging with hate then you have no life and need to calm down lol.
Ghostbusters used to be a cool old thing you remembered. Then 2016 hit and suddenly it became a sacred franchise with LORE and CANON, like it was Star Wars. Then chuds lost their nuts when they put more women in SW, so yeah… Ghostbusters is the new Star Wars.
Whoever wrote Eduardo's dialogue was quite possibly the only person directly involved with the franchise after the first movie to completely *get* what that original outing was laying down.
This is part of my broader frustration with media nowadays but the constant, *constant* nostalgia pandering can't help but feel desperate. Like even after Aykroyd, Murray, and Hudson are dead, they'll probably be CG'd into another sequel down the line as 'haunting' the firehouse.
THANK YOU BOB I love the ghostbusters, I too am one of those kids who daydreamed about popping poltergeists and grabbing ghouls but this movie was a MESS. And the fans have just been so DAMN insufferable in their IT'S A PERFECT MOVIE 11/10 sentiments, it's killing me
We're gonna need them by end of the decade, I'd say. The nostalgia trips through the 1980s are getting stale. "The 80s are long over. Time to be someone else." --Warren Ellis, Planetary
Just in the last 5 years: Extraction,Nobody,Army of the Dead,Rebel Moon,Crazy Rich Asians,The Gentlemen. Invincible. Enola Holmes, Knives Out,Brightburn. They are here.
I personally found the 2016 film quite memorable and not forgettable at all and I liked more then the first film, there I said it, I await the alt-right trolls coming at me with torches and pitchforks now LOL
I'd be in for another one if they jettison the dead weight, by which I mean about half the characters who stand around with nothing to do. Send Trevor and Lucky off to college, background Rudd and Carrie to be off establishing franchises elsewhere or something, have Aykroyd do one exposition dump, have Hudson do one "money saves the day" scene, have Murray do one funny thing if he's willing, and give the entire movie to Phoebe. Have her embrace Egon's legacy, take control of the business (because let's face it, the actress will be a full adult by the time a third one gets made and can legally head up a business now, sort of paying off at least one thing brought up in this movie), and have her gather her own team of busters around her own age. Set up a new generation team and re-establish that "this could go anywhere" feeling, and move on from there.
Ghostbusters is a franchise that probably shouldn’t have been a franchise. Not to say good stuff didn’t come out the other movies and the 2 animated series, but maybe it should’ve been 1 and done.
For me, the only halfway decent Ghostbusters movies are the original and the 2016 one. Afterlife *could* have been great if they'd leaned into Phoebe more and jettisoned all the nostalgia bait. I think the best version of the franchise is still the animated series which despite some awful animation at times managed some genuine chills and laughs.
Is it just me, or is making a Ghostbusters movie starring Paul Rudd, Patton Oswalt, and Kumail Nanjiani a good 50× more interesting than starring the third or fourth most interesting Stranger Things kid, the Warren's daughter, and grandpa age OGs? Like, seriously. Those three dudes and maybe an Aubrey Plaza or someone to keep it from being a sausage fest, some of the cool modern CG Ghost effects, solid direction of action and comedy, and a good team of writers who get this franchise appeal beyond just "Remember this?" nostalgic wanking sounds like the modern Ghostbusters movie that actually sounds kind of awesome, rather than these dull "Afterlife" slogs.
This genuinely felt like they took a script from the cartoon series and stretched it out with cameos and not taking. A lot of people who have said similar say it as a good thing. But to me it sticks two thoughts. The first is, it firmly tips the hand that most of the more vocal people around ghostbusters are my age and younger (so slightly younger then Bob) and kinda missed the SNL aspect of the original ghostbusters and never saw it as a comedy so the cartoon series/toys is what primarily sticks around in our head (hence Slimer living in the firehouse, the car being full of gadgets etc) and there is an actual conflict of this notion of respecting the original but also at the same time maybe slapping people and going what you remember the original being about isnt what it was. The 2016 film was much closer in tone then either of the more recent legacy sequels. The Second thought is if we have finally settled on a setup and are following cartoon logic can we please move away from the legacy bs. We can have big bad ghosts not related to the original film, we can do stand alone stories now and focus on making those stand alone stories good and interesting by themselves. If Dan Akroyd enjoys making the movies and is happy to stick around then he can continue to fill the cooky lore guy role but they should be able if they do another one hand a writing team a list of who they are definitely getting back and who they are not even trying and say make a story about them that is interesting and not be fussed about needing to be true to a lore that is paper thin. Make new lore damnit. My final thought (god I had a lot on this film) Walter Peck was actually right this time. In the original film the disaster was happening regardless of the ghostbusters. Here they directly (multiple times) caused it. If there were no ghostbusters, there would have been no means to free the ghost demi god. Also a funny aside on the joke of Ghostbusters 3 Bob made early in the review. Yeah people wierdly remember a 3rd film existing despite it not existing. I had a staff member at the cinema chain insist loudly there were six ghostbusters films including an original trilogy and I told him there is no ghostbusters 3. Is this a mandela thing? cause he swore blind there was one and when he googled he said "hah there was but they cancelled it, so they made it but never released it" facepalm.
@@ZoanBlade90 I friggin' LOVED the DW comics but my collection went kaput when Comixology got folded into Amazon's Kindle stuff and it got horrible. And IDW lost the lisence a little before Afterlife. I have Mass Hysteria pt 1 and 2 in trade but that's all. Sad.
I think this movie would have been significantly better if the ice demon had a genuinely eldritch faceless lich design. Like if it felt truly like a cool horrifying deep psyche manifestation of a ghost god. Something like the eldrazi from magic the gathering, or a blank grey faceless husk evocative of dementors, or the woman ghost from bly manor, which would give it this “fear itself” narrative angle. I’m just saying, that the one thing this movie could have actually really used was good scary ghost designs for the protagonists to overcome.
Yeah I hear this one has the worst villain yet. All the reviews are pretty much meh or this movie sux. Hardly anyone loving it. I think I'll wait to see it for free lolz.
Sounds kinda like Afterlife then. A movie that is SOUND, passable, decent for it's premise, but just doesn't have the energy and wit of the original. Then again considering the circumstances behind the director I guess I can see why it took a more maudlin tone... but keeping it for the sequel does not feel like the right decision.
I agree. This would have easily been much better with less characters or at the very least adjusting the time of each role to its actual function in the story but like you said it seemed as if they were used according to the interest or schedule of each actor. But even the CGI villain appeared too little. It’s more difficult to connect to a cgi presence than an actor like we have with Vigo or even Gozer’s human presence(s) but I thought the lore of the villain and its design were decent enough, if we just have seen him talking a little more maybe he could have had more charisma. Also since Kumail Nanjiani’s character was more related to the lore of the villain than anyone else and a much funnier character than almost everyone from Afterlife probably his role could have been expanded a little. I’m ok with McKenna Grace, she is not super funny but she is likeable as the new protagonist, but all the other characters from Afterlife including Paul Rudd didn’t have anything to do. On the other hand the original characters were much better here than in Afterlife in my opinion but if the series continues at some point they need to pass the torch if only because that way they will have a few less characters (I can’t even imagine if they keep Nanjiani and Oswalt in the next one and they introduce some more…)
I think they could have moved this movie to a Halloween and made the villain Samhain from the Ghostbusters Cartoon. And for fun, make him aware that he was beaten by other Ghostbusters elsewhere: he REMEMBERS fighting the cartoon team.
I've been watching Adam Savage's Tested videos on the making of Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire. You can see the joy the prop makers have when making this film. No one sets out to make a bad movie. It's Sony that's doing the most damage.
I never saw Afterlife, but I enjoyed this one a lot even in spite of the horribly bloated cast. It’s the first Ghostbusters movie where I actually actively want more afterward.
I think if you had seen afterlife first, you would have been disappointed that not much actually develops in this follow up and it was not nearly as much fun.
A Ghostbusters movie with Paul Rudd, Patton Oswald, and Kumail Nanjiani … that if Afterlife and the trailers are any indication, won’t have many jokes in it. It doesn’t make any sense yet it makes perfect sense given the warped legacy of Ghosbusters
I really enjoyed Afterlife but this follow-up, just falls into the trap of a studio having no clear vision or idea but just needing to get another film out. It's such an aimless film that you wonder how writers get paid for this. There were so many interesting and cool ideas that they could have gone with and yet they just play it so straight.
We liked it. Definitely not as good as After life, but this cast and set of characters are excellent. They should just give up on Murray. The big problem with any potential sequel is how freaking good Gozer was as a villain, everything not Gozer will exist in that shadow. Hundred percent the reason they were back for Afterlife. The thing is...I was never excited in seeing a new Ghostbusters movie, I was excited to see these new characters. Phoebe has become my favourite character in the franchise. Id go to a movie just to see her. Movie was flawed, but mostly fun. Had pacing issues and a few things that didn't make much sense. Id happily watch another with this cast. I would not go as low as a 4, more like a 6.
I liked this one, probably better than the last, despite clear flaws, this was the first one that felt like it could actually make a franchise actually WORK. just cut down on the cameos and callbacks, and focus on the Spengler family and it would be fine...
I felt that Ghostbusters 2 also brought something interesting with Vigo the Carpathian. A sorcerous villain trapped in a painting could be used for all sort of plots, such as our intrepid heroes being transported into painting(s). He eats emotions, he refuses to die and he had a killer voice thanks to Max von Sydow.
I thought the villain looked boring from the first trailer it would be better if they used an actual mythological creature like Baba Yaga or Cthulhu, you know what, if they wanted to go for nostalgia why not a bad guy from the expanded universe like Samhain or the Vathek.
ok pitch time. the origional GB was about average joe exterminators. what is a modern take on this premise? hustle culture, app driven, gig economy. have winstons team be the uber, deliveroo, amazon version of ghost busters, and the spanglers can be the old school busters doing the same job with outdated tech. it practicaly writes itself.
It wasn’t difficult to figure out that the moment a new hire shows exceptional traits or talents that they get a cushy nine-to-five working in the temperature-controlled science lab (Pinfield, Lucky, etc) but the ordinary talents (and Phoebe because she’s fifteen) get stuck doing the on-call ghost extermination job.
Isn’t what made the original Ghostbusters work the Horatio Alger frame of the story where “ my fantasies will make me the hero and let me run a decent middle class business “ has got to be appealing to teen fantasy nerds and the Exorcist Shtick where the stuff on screen “ might “ be based in reality. Today nobody believes they will ever build a middle class business from scratch and the Psychic Research is no longer done at any respectable university. That is to say the Ghostbusters moment has passed.
A Ghostbusters movie with Paul Rudd, Patton Oswald, and Kumail Nanjiani … that if Afterlife and the trailers are any indication, won’t have many jokes in it.
@@jadedheartsz Yeah, the cast followed a lot of the tropes common in cartoons of the time, except for maybe the macho jock guy being disabled instead of the nerd guy, but so many unpleasant folks would be frothing at the mouth over all of them. I need to figure out how I can watch this show again.
Also, it bugs me that they don’t use any of the actual kinds of vengeful ghosts present in Southeast Asian mythology for this story. Even though there are some actual really cool ones that I would love to see being used properly in a mainstream blockbuster film.
I always felt the IDW comics were probably the best you were ever going to get in regards to a continuing Ghostbusters story. That and I guess the cartoons, never watched them.
I wasn't going to see GB Afterlife, but my sister was visiting from overseas. The movie was filmed in Alberta, where we're from, and I offered to take her to see it. We enjoyed it, Afterlife was good, not great. But I have no interest at all in seeing Frozen Empire unless it gets a heap of Razzie noms next year.
Idk despite the simple nature of the OG, I think thats WHY i believe that GB has strong franchise potential. I just wish they'd go ahead and do a damn live action show with these newbies. Lots of potential kinda squandered an things left on the cutting room floor
“Leave them wanting *_less!!!”_* Sounds like an incoherent kitchen-sink disaster to me, with a lot of decent stuff in the mix. Probably would have been better if they fleshed some of this stuff out to be either a TV series or like three different films. IMO the problem isn’t “yet another unneeded installment of Franchise X”, it’s that they are more like committee products rather than making something based upon creative people having a solid creative idea.
I thought they were giving Phoebe a girlfriend as well. I looked up the actress playing Melody and she is in her early 20s while Phoebe's actress was 16ish during the filming so I was wondering if the producers changed because of that.
I disagree with most of your rundown but I do see where you're coming from. The movie did make me want more and I can't wait to see more. Though... I still want a live action representation of Samhain, but that's just me.
I've been thinking about this. You know how Ghostbusters might still work? A total reboot as a mockumentary. Bring back the original core concept of exorcism as a working-class gig, like a mix of Cops, Parks & Rec, and What We Do In The Shadows following around disaffected schmoes on their ghostbusting duties. That'd do the concept more justice than these franchise flicks.
The correct Ghostbusters sequel would be a group of thrown together tech support people from conflicting backgrounds that deal with rogue AIs that the main guy is convinced by some complicated formula will start to appear about now. Turns out he’s right and they are the only team set up to save the world from a series of giant rogue AI set-pieces. Practically writes itself (or get an AI to do it)
Lol you are a genius. Your idea sounds like it could not only work, but save the company a lot on cg and crap. You could be a lot like a actual good snyder. Not just deliver on time and under budget, but perhaps not suck though lolz.
The first movie was lightening in a bottle. The movie was still good if you removed all the ghosts. The cast and their inside jokes and eye rolls at each other were key. The sequel came when the cartoon was at its peak. I totally understood the light hearted nature of it. I enjoyed Frozen Empire, but the way i enjoy the cartoon.
This is a rare case where I come in much higher than Bob. I don't think it was a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination. I felt several characters were woefully underused and many plot elements just didn't have enough meat. Despite that, I walked out of the movie really interested in where the non-legacy actors could go with the franchise.
I haven't seen either of the legacy sequels because they dropped the ball on how to follow this series up. Franchises. Easy peasy. Almost all the ghostbuster cosplay groups pass themselves off as different franchise location.
Did any ghosts ever...speak before? Did that feel like it came out of nowhere for anyone else? Bob didn't even mention the _fumbled_ star-crossed lovers subplot they tried to push.
If they want to make Ghostbusters a thing they should basically do Supernatural, but with Ghostbusters instead. Monster of the week episodes in-between the season-long main plot, make it funnier and lighter, and you've got yourself a good family series. Do something new with it - no Stay Puft, no Zuul or Gozer, none of the original guys - stop referring back and look forward.
This description reminds me of one of my favorite low-key films, Farewell, My Lovely. Decently written, good cast (especially Robert Mitchum as the lead), wonderful set design but NONE of the pieces really fit together. So it seems here.
Ghostbusters 1 is fine. Ghostbusters 2 is fine. The game is fine. The cartoon is fine. The franchise is fine. Maybe I’m just getting older, but I don’t get anyone who treats this property like their religion.
@@jimballard1186 I don't know if I buy that, the same shit was happening with Star Wars when Phantom Menace came out before 9/11 happened, I think it's just classic fan-entitlement.
@@jadedheartsz I don't understand why you're bringing up 9/11. Are you saying that before 9/11, middle-aged people didn't think the world was bad and getting worse?
@@jimballard1186 there was definitely an increase in cynicism and negativity afterwards, Todd in the Shadows kind of made that point in his latest video-people in American thought they'd won and their trouble were over and 9/11 kind of shocked us all into submission.
Just make a new cartoon, Sony. The cartoons usually work. And since there are teenagers in the cast now, play up the “after-school job” bit for laughs. Have other kids think being a Ghostbuster is a lamer job than working at McDonald’s because they think it’s either a joke or because you’re likely to end up covered in slime at the end of the day.
I WANTED an all-female Ghostbusters team. I actively wanted to be a dude who got the the new outfit for the lady team. But I'm sorry.. that movie just sucked. And the male character on the all-female team was so stupid he literally forgot how to breathe.
Since the whole idea of Ghostbusters was a blue collar occultism wouldn't it be funny if someone did a version of Ghostbusters as a tech start up. Everyone tries to get in on the ground floor and then the Steve Jobs/Bill Gates guy usurps control of the company and takes advantage of everyone else's hard work in a way that prompts the third act crisis.
I think its extremely funny that the one major takeaway I remembered from your REALLY THAT GOOD GHOSTBUSTERS episode was that Ghostbusters appealed to children partly because the idea that science could overcome the supernatural was an idea that could inspire kids with the thought that the things they fear were defeatable through manmade tools, rather than by using some piece of magic from the ancient supernatural evil’s lore…
…And this movie does the exact opposite and immediately makes it that this evil thing can only be defeated through destiny and magic, thereby undoing the main thing that made ghostbusters thematically compelling to children.
why haven't they spun this off with OTHER TEAMS in OTHER CITIES?! Tap local flavor, make the city a character itself so to speak... If Law & Order can pull it off...
No no, ghosts are like pizza, New York city is literally the only place they can exist…
that was actually the original plan for the first movie.
It’s so strange to me-they specifically mention the possibility of a franchise in the first film, yet this never happens.
Instead, we mostly get rehashes.
@@dominomasked Chicago style ghosts not only aren't good... they aren't ghosts.
Cockney ghostbusters.
Someone at hollywood will need new trousers if you shout that loud enough.
This franchise has gotten so concerned with making sure to be "respectful" to the original movie and whatnot, they completely forgot that the original movie was a comedy and didn't take itself that seriously. :/
Frozen Empire doesn’t really take itself that seriously either. It’s not “a comedy,” but it’s a pretty funny movie.
The original movie had Dan Akryod getting a blow job from a ghost
I have the complete opposite take. It was a ridiculous premise taken seriously and that's what made it so funny. A bunch of middle aged men running around New York, exterminating ghosts like cockroaches is stupid unless you play it straight and revel in the irony.
The problem with the 2016 remake was that it didn't respect that and practically parodied the original premise/characters. (Their casting choices were also a huge mistake. There were other female comedians who could do much better that didn't get hired and the director was a shit choice who treated them poorly; complete loss all-around.)
This one's too scared to be problematic like the original. Venkman was a sex pest, Ray was clearly on the spectrum and ridiculed for it, Egon was also on the spectrum but was largely ignored and Winston was a footnote straight man who ended up being the best part of the movie that just didn't have enough time to really shine. I feel like they had leaned into that more, it would've been better comedy wise but maybe alienate modern audiences. IDK.
@@NoirRaven
The joke of many scenes in the original Ghostbusters movies is that Raimis and Spengler take everything really seriously and Venkman is deeply unable to take anything seriously.
The issue with the 2016 movie is that it is way too improv focused. I think all the actresses were clearly talented comedians but you can unfortunately feel their effort at being funny because they don't have a script to fall back on.
Wiig's character could have been a more effective "straight man" because she has an entire arc that is about her desperation to be taken seriously, but she almost fully devolved into doing the same style of over-the-top humor as the rest of the cast.
This movie was a sign that now more than ever Ghostbusters needs to be a streaming series. There needs to be room for the humdrum servicing of calls.
We definitely need to learn to let go
Sadly, that will never happen. Not with how Hollywood is deadset on milking every IP dry. And definatly not after "the 2016 incident".
I mean, it is a series about ghosts, so it makes sense that it keeps on going long after it should have been dead and gone.
Literally, the most important movie of this era is an ode to “we can’t let this go”
@@Asaji05which one was that?
@@kennethaunstrup It's like being a literary science fiction fan. For a genre that supposed to be forward-looking, there sure are a lot of gatekeepers who insist you must have read a bunch of 60 year old books to be a "real" fan.
If I recall from RTG: Ghostbusters, wasn’t the hook for kids with that movie that any goofball could fight monsters if they just cobbled together the right trap?
That they didn’t have to be inherently special or have a certain destiny or connection to events but instead just needed a little know how and a can-do attitude which has enormous appeal to children who often don’t feel like inheritors of a legacy.
This sounds like a total contradiction of that original secret ingredient. “Nope, sorry kid. Good luck against the Boogie Man unless you were born into the right family destined to defeat it.”
So pulling a Rise of Skywalker then?
"I don't think they need to do this again" I kinda want to see that as one of those reviewer quote blurbs.
This movie made me think of your other video series "Really that good." Remember when you pointed out that when the Ghostbusters defeated Gozer it was through the power of science? You made a big point about how there wasn't some magical maguffin they needed to find, no chosen one super power, no prayer that had to be said, etc...but here they TOTALLY did that! They had some guy who was the last descendant of some ghost fighting fire bending wizards who had to claim his birthright and figure out how to use his magical powers to defeat the bad guy in line with an ancient prophesy, pretty much ANTITHETICAL to how things worked in the original movie! The real insult added to the injury is that they actually HAD the proper solution there, when they figured out that this particular ghost was vulnerable to brass and the girl realized if she plated the plasma generator in her proton pack with brass it would be able to work against this god-ghost who was too powerful for the stock packs. That was the PERFECT way to tie in the defeat of this ghost with the way they beat Gozer in the original movie and they screwed it up so we could get a guy with his magical fire whip BS.
Further proof that Sony has no idea on how to use its available IP.
The goal of a Legasequel should be to be a shot in the arm to set up new stuff. It's a 1st act. That makes it strange to repeat it, especially when the previous was as much of a success as was likely possible. I suspect a desire to continue using the legacy cast as much as possible while that's still possible may be strategically holding the whole franchise back from moving forward. Hate it as much as you will, but at least the most recent Star Wars films committed to transitioning away from the familiar faces.
Fun fact I learned from re-watching the Lethal Weapon movies: Murtaugh only ever says the line he's most known for two times across four movies. His actual catchphrase that he says in every movie is "go spit!"
The most disappointing thing about this movie is the wasted potential. How do you create the Melody character and not immediately realise that you need to make a movie that deals with the ethics of ghost catching and indefinite containment??? It's right there!
Bill Murray even looks bored *in the poster!*
He's always looked bored and as a old man he looks sooo done with life lolz. More so than Cillian Murphy I'd argue.
As a millennial my generation's sad devotion to media empires is painful. I'd still take that over the depressing sight of Gen X trying to bend reality itself to convince themselves every 7/10 comedy they saw on TV is a foundational text of western civilization.
Gen X does what?
By “Media Empires”, do you mean the MCU and “Star Wars”?
@@johnvinals7423 Also Pokemon, but most likely yes.
😂😂😂 You're doing that Sophomoric Elitism thing where you seriously think those two things are distinct.
@@miguelvelez7221 Who’s doing the Sophomoric Elitism thing?
Lady Ghostbusters sounds great. Maybe we can get someone from the MCU who's between movies to play a supporting role.
Before the fires start, Skizz, if you really don't know about Lady Ghostbusters and the Internet-manchildren hissy fit, head on over to Wikipedia and bask in the horror.
If you're winding us up, well played. You got me.
@@anthonygranziol7957 i have seen the movie. Hence the MCU statement
There is a shot of the empty desk in the firehouse at one point in Frozen Kingdom, and my exact thought was "I miss Kevin".
I liked lady ghost busters just fine lolz. So did movie bob. It wasn't super great but not terrible either. End and plot were whatever. Villain meh. Ladies hit or miss. But that Thor was effing hilarious. It was okay : )
OK, I chuckled at the "Bob pulling his own plug" at the end. Well played my dude.
I loved Ghostbusters in 84 as a late maturing 12 year old. By the time the cartoons and sequel came around, I was "too cool" for all that stuff.
Fast forward to 2016 and I got some chuckles out of that one, but it was neither amazing, nor as appalling as many other dudes in their 40s thought. I guess I didn't cling so hard to that part of my childhood to consider it ruined by a movie that was merely "fine".
When Afterlife came around, it certainly punched all the nostalgia buttons, but I was left feeling it did it egregiously, much like JJ Abrams did to Star Wars and Trek. Loving homages, but not doing enough new or interesting.
And now we come to "Frozen Empire" which just look boring from the first trailer. Even the name does nothing to spur interest.
I consider myself a modest fan of the franchise, but Hollywood needs to learn how to create an interesting movie first, and then pepper in natural nostalgic references to give older fans something to enjoy. I feel like Jason Reitman is a decent person for the job, but needs to either be un-shackled, or have someone to challenge him creatively. He obviously respects the property, but I fear he holds it in too much reverence.
I'll wait on this one.
The real second Ghostbusters sequel was the Terminal Reality video game. Aykroyd and Ramis really did a good job in it and the in-engine scenes were amazing (pre-renders not so much).
Too bad Murray infamously just quit showing up for the voice recording sessions, forcing a ton of last-minute rewrites.
@@jasonblalock4429 I've never heard this.
@@jasonblalock4429 I thought it was the opposite, that they had to coax him back late in the day.
Either way, it explains why Venkman has very little screentime in the game.
So they beat a dead horse until it came back to life, but didn't include it in the movie?
Missed opportunity :-/
I am from Kansas City, so I honor bound to love Paul Rudd…but when I saw the commercial with him mugging at the camera while turning on the proton pack, it killed what little interest I had in this.
Ghostbusters / Alien / Predator / Terminator were all fun 80s movies. But can we please have something new?
I don't need another reboot/legacy-quel of an existing franchise.
I mean…
After Prey I’d be down for more Predator movies where they just do other historical time periods fighting a Predator.
Do samurai next.
@@TheTrekkie42 ONLY exception to that.
Easy - just pick from the 99% of movies that aren’t “blockbusters”. It seems to be a pervasive mindshare problem more than anything else. Sometimes I wonder if the average moviegoer has Stockholm syndrome.
@@voltijuice8576yeah, there’s plenty of great movies out there, but I like big budget action movies too and it’d be nice if we got more original ones instead of rehashes.
Over100 movies get theatrically released in the US alone every year, let alone all the international films or the stuff going straight to streaming and tv shows. There's tons of "something new", you just never hear about it until the award shows.
Watching Adam Savage do BTS promos with the prop makers for ghostbusters... kinda makes me sad everything needs to be a movie or prestige show, when some really fun B+ monster-of-the-week TV is basically just sitting there.
I don't want to admit it but Ghostbusters is another one of those "only the first movie is good" franchises.
I always thought so. Liked the original, thought I wanted more of it. But by the end of the year I moved on to whatever else. the cartoon aired a full 2 years later, an eon to a nine year old, and I concluded ‘no, the first movie was good enough.’ No need for more of this. I was actually surprised when I heard Ghostbusters referred to as a ‘comedy classic’ around 2000 or so. I thought the consensus opinion held it as a fun, improbable romp good enough for its time, but not an era landmark.
Eh I thought the 2016 film was better there I said it.
@@75aces97 cartoon was good until ABC hired Q5 to "fix" the show and ended up ruining it by focusing WAY too much on Slimer and making Janine into more of a motherly type.
I love the second one - the creepy painting, the giant tongue in the bath - I was so scared as a kid I made my dad leave the cinema and take me home! LOL
@@jadedheartsz At least GB16 was genuinely trying to recapture the "slobs vs snobs" vibe of the original GB and similar comedies around that time, even if it didn't do a great job at it. I didn't care much for either it or Afterlife, but if you put a gun to my head and forced me to rewatch one of the reboots, I'd probably choose GB16.
Lady Ghostbusters was better than both of these. At least it was an actual comedy.
agreed, anyone who acted like that movie was a "Betrayal" is clueless.
@@jadedheartsz It was just a new gen of ghost busters that are all ladies. It's literally just ghost busters but more modern and with female instead of male. Other than that it was the same deal lololol. You were just a sexist pos if you hated on it massively. I can understand not being hyped, but if you were one of those cux raging with hate then you have no life and need to calm down lol.
Lmao perfect punchline.
"They don't need to do this again" could pretty much sum up 90% of the nostalgia bait movies Hollywood has pumped out over the last 15-20 years.
Ghostbusters used to be a cool old thing you remembered.
Then 2016 hit and suddenly it became a sacred franchise with LORE and CANON, like it was Star Wars.
Then chuds lost their nuts when they put more women in SW, so yeah…
Ghostbusters is the new Star Wars.
Tbh even treating Star Wars like that is embarrassing
Ghostbusters peaked with Extreme Ghostbusters and we all know it 😜
Whoever wrote Eduardo's dialogue was quite possibly the only person directly involved with the franchise after the first movie to completely *get* what that original outing was laying down.
This is part of my broader frustration with media nowadays but the constant, *constant* nostalgia pandering can't help but feel desperate. Like even after Aykroyd, Murray, and Hudson are dead, they'll probably be CG'd into another sequel down the line as 'haunting' the firehouse.
THANK YOU BOB I love the ghostbusters, I too am one of those kids who daydreamed about popping poltergeists and grabbing ghouls but this movie was a MESS. And the fans have just been so DAMN insufferable in their IT'S A PERFECT MOVIE 11/10 sentiments, it's killing me
Maybe we need some new franchises at this point...
We're gonna need them by end of the decade, I'd say. The nostalgia trips through the 1980s are getting stale.
"The 80s are long over. Time to be someone else." --Warren Ellis, Planetary
But those are so riskyyyyyy 😭
@@thekiss2083 Risks are required to make a bright future.
Just in the last 5 years: Extraction,Nobody,Army of the Dead,Rebel Moon,Crazy Rich Asians,The Gentlemen. Invincible. Enola Holmes, Knives Out,Brightburn.
They are here.
I personally found the 2016 film quite memorable and not forgettable at all and I liked more then the first film, there I said it, I await the alt-right trolls coming at me with torches and pitchforks now LOL
I'd be in for another one if they jettison the dead weight, by which I mean about half the characters who stand around with nothing to do. Send Trevor and Lucky off to college, background Rudd and Carrie to be off establishing franchises elsewhere or something, have Aykroyd do one exposition dump, have Hudson do one "money saves the day" scene, have Murray do one funny thing if he's willing, and give the entire movie to Phoebe. Have her embrace Egon's legacy, take control of the business (because let's face it, the actress will be a full adult by the time a third one gets made and can legally head up a business now, sort of paying off at least one thing brought up in this movie), and have her gather her own team of busters around her own age. Set up a new generation team and re-establish that "this could go anywhere" feeling, and move on from there.
Ghostbusters is a franchise that probably shouldn’t have been a franchise. Not to say good stuff didn’t come out the other movies and the 2 animated series, but maybe it should’ve been 1 and done.
For me, the only halfway decent Ghostbusters movies are the original and the 2016 one. Afterlife *could* have been great if they'd leaned into Phoebe more and jettisoned all the nostalgia bait. I think the best version of the franchise is still the animated series which despite some awful animation at times managed some genuine chills and laughs.
I was pretty sure I wasn't even going to watch it for free. LOL!
Is it just me, or is making a Ghostbusters movie starring Paul Rudd, Patton Oswalt, and Kumail Nanjiani a good 50× more interesting than starring the third or fourth most interesting Stranger Things kid, the Warren's daughter, and grandpa age OGs?
Like, seriously. Those three dudes and maybe an Aubrey Plaza or someone to keep it from being a sausage fest, some of the cool modern CG Ghost effects, solid direction of action and comedy, and a good team of writers who get this franchise appeal beyond just "Remember this?" nostalgic wanking sounds like the modern Ghostbusters movie that actually sounds kind of awesome, rather than these dull "Afterlife" slogs.
This genuinely felt like they took a script from the cartoon series and stretched it out with cameos and not taking. A lot of people who have said similar say it as a good thing. But to me it sticks two thoughts.
The first is, it firmly tips the hand that most of the more vocal people around ghostbusters are my age and younger (so slightly younger then Bob) and kinda missed the SNL aspect of the original ghostbusters and never saw it as a comedy so the cartoon series/toys is what primarily sticks around in our head (hence Slimer living in the firehouse, the car being full of gadgets etc) and there is an actual conflict of this notion of respecting the original but also at the same time maybe slapping people and going what you remember the original being about isnt what it was. The 2016 film was much closer in tone then either of the more recent legacy sequels.
The Second thought is if we have finally settled on a setup and are following cartoon logic can we please move away from the legacy bs. We can have big bad ghosts not related to the original film, we can do stand alone stories now and focus on making those stand alone stories good and interesting by themselves. If Dan Akroyd enjoys making the movies and is happy to stick around then he can continue to fill the cooky lore guy role but they should be able if they do another one hand a writing team a list of who they are definitely getting back and who they are not even trying and say make a story about them that is interesting and not be fussed about needing to be true to a lore that is paper thin. Make new lore damnit.
My final thought (god I had a lot on this film) Walter Peck was actually right this time. In the original film the disaster was happening regardless of the ghostbusters. Here they directly (multiple times) caused it. If there were no ghostbusters, there would have been no means to free the ghost demi god.
Also a funny aside on the joke of Ghostbusters 3 Bob made early in the review. Yeah people wierdly remember a 3rd film existing despite it not existing. I had a staff member at the cinema chain insist loudly there were six ghostbusters films including an original trilogy and I told him there is no ghostbusters 3. Is this a mandela thing? cause he swore blind there was one and when he googled he said "hah there was but they cancelled it, so they made it but never released it" facepalm.
All I want is a fancier version of an episode of The Real Ghostbusters and nothing more, is that it? Then it'll satisfy me.
They could do an animated special like DC did with Adam West's The Batman.
from what a lot of reviews of this film have said that's pretty much Frozen Empire in a nutshell.
IDW Comics.
@@ZoanBlade90 I friggin' LOVED the DW comics but my collection went kaput when Comixology got folded into Amazon's Kindle stuff and it got horrible. And IDW lost the lisence a little before Afterlife. I have Mass Hysteria pt 1 and 2 in trade but that's all. Sad.
@@Undrave Those comics are the *actual* sequel.
I think this movie would have been significantly better if the ice demon had a genuinely eldritch faceless lich design. Like if it felt truly like a cool horrifying deep psyche manifestation of a ghost god. Something like the eldrazi from magic the gathering, or a blank grey faceless husk evocative of dementors, or the woman ghost from bly manor, which would give it this “fear itself” narrative angle.
I’m just saying, that the one thing this movie could have actually really used was good scary ghost designs for the protagonists to overcome.
Yeah I hear this one has the worst villain yet. All the reviews are pretty much meh or this movie sux. Hardly anyone loving it. I think I'll wait to see it for free lolz.
Sounds kinda like Afterlife then. A movie that is SOUND, passable, decent for it's premise, but just doesn't have the energy and wit of the original. Then again considering the circumstances behind the director I guess I can see why it took a more maudlin tone... but keeping it for the sequel does not feel like the right decision.
With the 100+ paranormal reality shows out there... WHY THE HELL DID THEY MAKE THIS, THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE "NEW & DIFFERENT"?!? 😡
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug...particularly if you are Sony Pictures, who has nothing else to offer.
I agree. This would have easily been much better with less characters or at the very least adjusting the time of each role to its actual function in the story but like you said it seemed as if they were used according to the interest or schedule of each actor. But even the CGI villain appeared too little. It’s more difficult to connect to a cgi presence than an actor like we have with Vigo or even Gozer’s human presence(s) but I thought the lore of the villain and its design were decent enough, if we just have seen him talking a little more maybe he could have had more charisma. Also since Kumail Nanjiani’s character was more related to the lore of the villain than anyone else and a much funnier character than almost everyone from Afterlife probably his role could have been expanded a little. I’m ok with McKenna Grace, she is not super funny but she is likeable as the new protagonist, but all the other characters from Afterlife including Paul Rudd didn’t have anything to do. On the other hand the original characters were much better here than in Afterlife in my opinion but if the series continues at some point they need to pass the torch if only because that way they will have a few less characters (I can’t even imagine if they keep Nanjiani and Oswalt in the next one and they introduce some more…)
I think they could have moved this movie to a Halloween and made the villain Samhain from the Ghostbusters Cartoon. And for fun, make him aware that he was beaten by other Ghostbusters elsewhere: he REMEMBERS fighting the cartoon team.
I've been watching Adam Savage's Tested videos on the making of Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire. You can see the joy the prop makers have when making this film. No one sets out to make a bad movie. It's Sony that's doing the most damage.
I never saw Afterlife, but I enjoyed this one a lot even in spite of the horribly bloated cast. It’s the first Ghostbusters movie where I actually actively want more afterward.
I think if you had seen afterlife first, you would have been disappointed that not much actually develops in this follow up and it was not nearly as much fun.
That's cuz the original 3 are in it more but you should still watch the scene from afterlife where the original 4 save the day in the final act
@@Monkey_SK I kinda doubt it
I did see Afterlife and I much preferred these characters settling into being new Ghostbusters over what they were doing in AL.
@@LIONKING2019theatreSONIC4c That scene is terrible.
A Ghostbusters movie with Paul Rudd, Patton Oswald, and Kumail Nanjiani … that if Afterlife and the trailers are any indication, won’t have many jokes in it. It doesn’t make any sense yet it makes perfect sense given the warped legacy of Ghosbusters
To be fair, they did show the slime shooter from Ghostbusters II in the background of one the scenes in the aquarium location.
I really enjoyed Afterlife but this follow-up, just falls into the trap of a studio having no clear vision or idea but just needing to get another film out. It's such an aimless film that you wonder how writers get paid for this. There were so many interesting and cool ideas that they could have gone with and yet they just play it so straight.
It's not the writers, it's the executives.
Love that opening theme from Kayfabe Commentaries YouShoot videos!
We liked it. Definitely not as good as After life, but this cast and set of characters are excellent. They should just give up on Murray.
The big problem with any potential sequel is how freaking good Gozer was as a villain, everything not Gozer will exist in that shadow. Hundred percent the reason they were back for Afterlife.
The thing is...I was never excited in seeing a new Ghostbusters movie, I was excited to see these new characters. Phoebe has become my favourite character in the franchise. Id go to a movie just to see her.
Movie was flawed, but mostly fun. Had pacing issues and a few things that didn't make much sense. Id happily watch another with this cast. I would not go as low as a 4, more like a 6.
I liked this one, probably better than the last, despite clear flaws, this was the first one that felt like it could actually make a franchise actually WORK. just cut down on the cameos and callbacks, and focus on the Spengler family and it would be fine...
I felt that Ghostbusters 2 also brought something interesting with Vigo the Carpathian. A sorcerous villain trapped in a painting could be used for all sort of plots, such as our intrepid heroes being transported into painting(s). He eats emotions, he refuses to die and he had a killer voice thanks to Max von Sydow.
👍👍
I thought the villain looked boring from the first trailer it would be better if they used an actual mythological creature like Baba Yaga or Cthulhu, you know what, if they wanted to go for nostalgia why not a bad guy from the expanded universe like Samhain or the Vathek.
Bob, that ending was perfect! Almost made me spit coffee all over laptop. You are killing it, sir. 👏👏👏
ok pitch time. the origional GB was about average joe exterminators. what is a modern take on this premise? hustle culture, app driven, gig economy. have winstons team be the uber, deliveroo, amazon version of ghost busters, and the spanglers can be the old school busters doing the same job with outdated tech. it practicaly writes itself.
I would literally throw myself in front of a truck before I watched that.
I dunno, I can *still* imagine a million other places this franchise can go, I'm just really disappointed they're not bothering.
It wasn’t difficult to figure out that the moment a new hire shows exceptional traits or talents that they get a cushy nine-to-five working in the temperature-controlled science lab (Pinfield, Lucky, etc) but the ordinary talents (and Phoebe because she’s fifteen) get stuck doing the on-call ghost extermination job.
Isn’t what made the original Ghostbusters work the Horatio Alger frame of the story where “ my fantasies will make me the hero and let me run a decent middle class business “ has got to be appealing to teen fantasy nerds and the Exorcist Shtick where the stuff on screen “ might “ be based in reality. Today nobody believes they will ever build a middle class business from scratch and the Psychic Research is no longer done at any respectable university. That is to say the Ghostbusters moment has passed.
Props on dropping “nominative determinism” 🤘
Genuinely laughed at your punchline at the end, nicely done.
William Atherton is back? Shoot, that's all you had to say.
I actually enjoyed lady Ghostbusters. A few grievances aside it was pretty fun.
Ghostbusters II was absolutely the equal of the original 👍
A Ghostbusters movie with Paul Rudd, Patton Oswald, and Kumail Nanjiani … that if Afterlife and the trailers are any indication, won’t have many jokes in it.
that last little bit got a genuine chuckle
Does anyone remember Extreme Ghostbusters from the nineties? I thought that was a pretty good show.
I do, funny how that show would be called "woke" if it came out today.
@@jadedheartsz Yeah, the cast followed a lot of the tropes common in cartoons of the time, except for maybe the macho jock guy being disabled instead of the nerd guy, but so many unpleasant folks would be frothing at the mouth over all of them. I need to figure out how I can watch this show again.
Also, it bugs me that they don’t use any of the actual kinds of vengeful ghosts present in Southeast Asian mythology for this story. Even though there are some actual really cool ones that I would love to see being used properly in a mainstream blockbuster film.
I always felt the IDW comics were probably the best you were ever going to get in regards to a continuing Ghostbusters story. That and I guess the cartoons, never watched them.
I wasn't going to see GB Afterlife, but my sister was visiting from overseas. The movie was filmed in Alberta, where we're from, and I offered to take her to see it. We enjoyed it, Afterlife was good, not great. But I have no interest at all in seeing Frozen Empire unless it gets a heap of Razzie noms next year.
"What do you need new ghostbusters for? We have Ghostbusters at home!"
Idk despite the simple nature of the OG, I think thats WHY i believe that GB has strong franchise potential. I just wish they'd go ahead and do a damn live action show with these newbies. Lots of potential kinda squandered an things left on the cutting room floor
It should’ve stopped at Afterlife but they got greedy. The true peak Ghostbusters sequel be the 360 game
“Leave them wanting *_less!!!”_* Sounds like an incoherent kitchen-sink disaster to me, with a lot of decent stuff in the mix. Probably would have been better if they fleshed some of this stuff out to be either a TV series or like three different films.
IMO the problem isn’t “yet another unneeded installment of Franchise X”, it’s that they are more like committee products rather than making something based upon creative people having a solid creative idea.
I can’t be the only one who thought they were gonna give Phoebe a romantic arc but they either forgot to pay it off or were to scared to
I thought they were giving Phoebe a girlfriend as well. I looked up the actress playing Melody and she is in her early 20s while Phoebe's actress was 16ish during the filming so I was wondering if the producers changed because of that.
@@cmmosher8035The character is 15 so why not just hire a teenage actor?
Yea the IP has a lot of possibility and potential but the the IP need someone to setup a Ghostbuster bible or another cartoon.
This is probably the best we could get out of SONY.
I disagree with most of your rundown but I do see where you're coming from. The movie did make me want more and I can't wait to see more. Though... I still want a live action representation of Samhain, but that's just me.
I've been thinking about this. You know how Ghostbusters might still work? A total reboot as a mockumentary. Bring back the original core concept of exorcism as a working-class gig, like a mix of Cops, Parks & Rec, and What We Do In The Shadows following around disaffected schmoes on their ghostbusting duties. That'd do the concept more justice than these franchise flicks.
No. Just no.
I once had a similar idea, where a found-footage horror movie is hijacked halfway through by the Ghostbusters
The correct Ghostbusters sequel would be a group of thrown together tech support people from conflicting backgrounds that deal with rogue AIs that the main guy is convinced by some complicated formula will start to appear about now. Turns out he’s right and they are the only team set up to save the world from a series of giant rogue AI set-pieces. Practically writes itself (or get an AI to do it)
Lol you are a genius. Your idea sounds like it could not only work, but save the company a lot on cg and crap. You could be a lot like a actual good snyder. Not just deliver on time and under budget, but perhaps not suck though lolz.
That intro was so fuckin real haha, yes!
The first movie was lightening in a bottle. The movie was still good if you removed all the ghosts. The cast and their inside jokes and eye rolls at each other were key. The sequel came when the cartoon was at its peak. I totally understood the light hearted nature of it. I enjoyed Frozen Empire, but the way i enjoy the cartoon.
It's a very fun movie. Really enjoyed it.
This is a rare case where I come in much higher than Bob. I don't think it was a perfect movie by any stretch of the imagination. I felt several characters were woefully underused and many plot elements just didn't have enough meat. Despite that, I walked out of the movie really interested in where the non-legacy actors could go with the franchise.
There was a part 3. And I will never shut up about how good that game is.
I haven't seen either of the legacy sequels because they dropped the ball on how to follow this series up. Franchises. Easy peasy. Almost all the ghostbuster cosplay groups pass themselves off as different franchise location.
The worst aspect of the movie is the shoehorning of original cast members as if they were released from the ghost chamber
Did any ghosts ever...speak before? Did that feel like it came out of nowhere for anyone else? Bob didn't even mention the _fumbled_ star-crossed lovers subplot they tried to push.
If they want to make Ghostbusters a thing they should basically do Supernatural, but with Ghostbusters instead. Monster of the week episodes in-between the season-long main plot, make it funnier and lighter, and you've got yourself a good family series. Do something new with it - no Stay Puft, no Zuul or Gozer, none of the original guys - stop referring back and look forward.
I haven't seen the movie, but I think that your review is better than the movie.
This description reminds me of one of my favorite low-key films, Farewell, My Lovely. Decently written, good cast (especially Robert Mitchum as the lead), wonderful set design but NONE of the pieces really fit together. So it seems here.
Ghostbusters 1 is fine. Ghostbusters 2 is fine. The game is fine. The cartoon is fine. The franchise is fine.
Maybe I’m just getting older, but I don’t get anyone who treats this property like their religion.
The short version is, the present sucks so bad and the future looks so bleak that people retreat into the past when things felt better.
@@jimballard1186 And things were still terrible back then too but people were too young to actually know that.
@@jimballard1186 I don't know if I buy that, the same shit was happening with Star Wars when Phantom Menace came out before 9/11 happened, I think it's just classic fan-entitlement.
@@jadedheartsz I don't understand why you're bringing up 9/11. Are you saying that before 9/11, middle-aged people didn't think the world was bad and getting worse?
@@jimballard1186 there was definitely an increase in cynicism and negativity afterwards, Todd in the Shadows kind of made that point in his latest video-people in American thought they'd won and their trouble were over and 9/11 kind of shocked us all into submission.
Just make a new cartoon, Sony. The cartoons usually work. And since there are teenagers in the cast now, play up the “after-school job” bit for laughs. Have other kids think being a Ghostbuster is a lamer job than working at McDonald’s because they think it’s either a joke or because you’re likely to end up covered in slime at the end of the day.
Ooo, legacequels. I like that. I'll probably see this. Just because I like ghostbusters.
Member Ghostbusters? I member!
❤hope bob is happy❤ we love bob
1:02 "Legasequel"? Did Bob invent a new word? Copyright it!
Man, Bob sounded heartbroken on how this new movie let him down.
When it comes to how Sony Pictures keeps misusing its available IP, you blame him?
I WANTED an all-female Ghostbusters team. I actively wanted to be a dude who got the the new outfit for the lady team. But I'm sorry.. that movie just sucked. And the male character on the all-female team was so stupid he literally forgot how to breathe.
Instead of Ghostbusters we need a Danny Phantom franchise to be given the Spider-Man treatment.
Technically the 3rd part of the story was made, but it was a video game.
i liked the frozen empire. Too bad it didn't show up until near the end.
Since the whole idea of Ghostbusters was a blue collar occultism wouldn't it be funny if someone did a version of Ghostbusters as a tech start up. Everyone tries to get in on the ground floor and then the Steve Jobs/Bill Gates guy usurps control of the company and takes advantage of everyone else's hard work in a way that prompts the third act crisis.
LOL, nice stinger!