Nah, it's only 0-17 in attempts nothing too see here. The real shootout Dang It belongs to Devils who went 0-13 in s/o games back in 13-14 season and missed playoffs by 5 points.
@@ИльяГостеев-ц9э 0-17 in shootout attempts is still a gigantic dangit, and I’d argue even more embarrassing than going 0-14 in total shootouts. The only previous time a team lost 3 shootouts in a row without scoring was Florida in 2011 and they went 0-9. 0-17 in 3 straight shootouts is something we may never see again in our lifetimes, especially when Vegas was in the clutch and fighting for the playoffs. Had they even won 2/3 shootouts, which shouldn’t have been tough given how good Thompson was in them, they would currently be just one point back of Nashville, and 2 back of Dallas with the tie breaker.
I thought that maybe I was just imagining the reffing being abnormally bad this year, Edwards right there confirmed that it is worse than recent memory
It's all because the ref had a terrible angle on the play, he was in awful position. From his angle, all he probably saw was Hoffmans stick coming down hard and then the stick dropping. He didn't see where he hit Haulas stick.
It's all because the ref had a terrible angle on the play, he was in awful position. From his angle, all he probably saw was Hoffmans stick coming down hard and then the stick dropping. He didn't see where he hit Haulas stick.
Steve, I am a die hard bruins fan, and I’d have to say there isn’t a single hockey analyst out there better than you. The bruins have given you more nightmares and heartbreak over the last decade than any team, yet you tell it how it is. I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. I can’t stand the leafs but I watch every lfr win or loss. Steve dangle makes hockey make sense for everyone. Top notch energy. Top notch analyzing, we need more hockey fans like Steve. Thank you for being you!
couldn't agree more. i used to love hockey until i got a big concussion while playing in high school, at which point i just stopped caring altogether. Dangle's videos caught my eye in the recommendations a couple years ago while Babcock was coaching the Leafs and got me back into it again. He talks hockey in a way both new and familiar hockey watchers can understand, and it's a rare skill to have.
Sabres fan of almost 36 years, here. What Jack did on that play was what all the Sabres did while he was there. I can't count how many times the Sabres retrieved a loose puck on the boards and attempted a no-look pass or clear like that only for it to result in a turnover and a goal. What was even more boggling was the fact that it was never corrected in the six years Jack played in Buffalo. I cannot tell you how nice it's been to watch that particular bad habit die this season for my Sabres.
That Kyle Okposo bet was similer to the guy who thought he had bet on Leicester City to their first game of the 2015-16 season but mistakenly bet on Leicester to win the Premier League in 2015-16 at the very long odds of 5000-1. To that point Leicester had never won a major trophy but won the league in probably the biggest upset in English footnall history.
ABSOLUTELY awesome content! Steve is common enough to "hang out" together, polished enough to present well, crass enough to be hockey, and edgy enough to be tons of fun!
As a director, I completely agree, and had exactly the same reaction. "Dang it, get Iceburgh out of the shot!" "No, wait.. just leave it.. keep following the play." "...I really hope they don't score."
I always watch Dang-Its with my 11-year old son. After the Samsonov Dang It I said "Maybe he's dancing?" My son replied, " Maybe he's trying to impress the ladies." I nearly peed my pants.
I think it's a little silly to watch Fleury misplay the puck like he did in that clip. It's going to be so satisfying though to watch him enjoy some play-off hockey while Vegas watches from the sidelines. I'm torn between feeling that he was fortunate to have been traded away from a team that couldn't make the play-offs, or was it karma coming back to bite Vegas for trading away the face of their franchise in such a secretive dirty way. 🤷♂️
On Haula's PS: I'm pretty sure Steve is just being silly for the sake of being silly, but I actually like that the NHL has hard defined rules for stuff like this. If the puck stops motion after it has started, the play is over. Also, the puck has to completely cross the goal line to count as a goal. It doesn't matter how "little" Marchand moves the puck any more than it would matter how "little" of a puck still hasn't crossed the goal line. Any amount counts, since that's where we draw the line. Anything that is left up to the judgment call of the refs is bound to have issues, especially in hockey where the minutia of millimeters is sometimes the difference in a fast-paced full-contact sport with 100 mph pucks. If I want a sport where people just give me their feelings about who is the best on the ice, I'll watch figure skating.
I agree, these 2 are not the same in my eyes. Puck movement has always been the decisive factor, and there was no question about that in here. I mean Haula went back, got the puck, and was left with less options with speed and room than he had before. What on earth could be wrong with that?
@@CometF81 to be fair that was on Haula that he was left with less speed and options. He should’ve just reset and did another loop around the circle and come at it again.
Agreed. Though I see Steve's point about how similar the two events were, there has to be a definitive "line" of legality. Without such, it's left to interpretation and Steve of all people will tell you how well the refs interpret situations. Marchand's play and Haula's, while very similar, were on opposite sides of the established line, and the existence of such is important to take any kind of competition seriously. Without that, we might as well save a couple hours and just ask the refs who wins. The only potential fix I could see happening is changing the rule so that the forward progress of the puck AND player must continue.
As a Caps fan, I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I’m scared for the playoffs. Our starter, Sammy, is incredibly inconsistent and we never seem to use VV in important games/ games against better teams. In my opinion Vanecek is a much better goaltender and we need to take advantage of what we have, while we have it.
Speaking as a Pens fan, I just want to add that it's going to be a really weird offseason with the Pens competing with the Caps for tee times in the second round instead of for the right to go to the conference championships.
It's simple: There has to be a Start and an End to a Penalty Shot. And the Penalty Shot starts, when the Puck is touched by the player and ends, when it's either in the net, being saved by the goalie, or misses the goal. Simple and most of all: it leaves no room for interpretation.
Another rule they implemented for the shootout is that once the puck starts moving forward it cannot stop or move backwards. This was to prevent the spin move player started using during shootouts. Not sure if this also applies for penalty shots or not.
@@johncole5893 yes either the player or the puck must move forward. You can see in some datsyukian moves the puck being drawn back but the players motion makes it legal
We ask the same thing every night Steve... trust me. No Caps fan knows what Samsonov is doing. Either losing his stick, or spinning like a top. Caps will get eliminated in the first round again if this happens in the playoffs. Can't do that against Florida.
As a fellow Caps fan, I can say that we all feel the same way. Sammy is just far to inconsistent in his goaltending. VV is gonna shine real bright when the end of our season comes around.
I feel that the rule makes sense because as soon as you move that puck, it's in play. So, if you mess up the approach, that should be invalid and if you don't move it it's fine. You put in a 15sec time limit to have to touch the puck or the shot is waived off to stop any stalling or mind games. Not that dumb imo. Ever rule has those moments where the rule applies but is unnecessary, but the jurisdiction of that rule has to start somewhere.
Pretty sure the reason for the call is that the puck has to continue forward momentum, meant to stop spinorama moves, but this is just a consequence of it. If you change the rule you have to disallow those sorts of moves in a different way
@@chriswaight1460 Rewrite the rule so that once the player passes the red line, he needs to maintain forward motion. If you have to stop to go back to the puck, your shot attempt is over. A similar rule applies in soccer where a player taking a penalty shot can't "stutter" their kick; in both cases, the goaltender is thrown off by the staccato rhythm of the shooter.
@@tiladx i gotta disagree with that logic on account that a hockey shooter is skating the puck. And you are specifically allowed to mess with timing by changing your speed, taking a wide line. Etc. As long as you maintain forward momentum. In soccar is one touch and done with a HUGE net to cover. Where getting the goalie to commit makes it trivial. Vs hockey where goalies can cover a large portion of the net. And i say this all as a former hockey goalie.
That penalty shot on Hoffman was dumb. He did "slash" the stick, but he only made contact with the blade, so that should have been allowed. I'm shocked Steve missed the other Dang It in that game when the Bruins had 8 or 9 players on the ice and yet they didn't get a too many men penalty.
Yeah that one was lucky, they were changing so half of them weren’t apart of the play although still on the ice and I agree it should have been called but they were lined up to get off.
I think what made it penalty shot was: from refs angle it propably looked like slash, especially when Haula dropped his stick to avoid tripping penalty, because his stick went between Hoffmans legs. That was series of bad luck for Montreal. Point is I see why it was called, but it shouldn't have. That is just something that happens in hockey and in cases like this it can be infuriating. There are many cases when people want to hang the refs on situations like this. That is why I like the ref cams. It allows people who might not think about "what it looked like from ref POV" to see why it was called (in cases it maybe shouldn't have been called).
@@akareim2845 Whilst I agree to some degree, that is kind of hard to find the line for game not lasting 7 hours because of constant video checks. I would think most players coaches and even hockey fans prefer these humane errors to be part of the game. Even though sometimes it ends up infuriating you.
@@teemup9247 there is few ways to ensure that coach won't abuse that rule. In Volleyball, for example, they have a limits of 2 contest call per set if the contest doesn't work. So they could limit it to 1 per game and if they fail, they have a second penalty like an usual contest call! Refering was so bad this year, that i think a rule like that would have help a lot in the end.
The start of a penalty shot/shootout attempt is the puck being touched. After that forward momentum must be maintained in order for it to be legal. Marchand has to come to a complete stop and the puck comes to a complete stop. Haula doesn't start the attempt because the puck isn't stopped. We sometimes see guys on their attempts skate around the puck and cross the red line several times. If we were basing it off of them crossing the red line players wouldn't be able to cross the red line anymore before they attempt their shot.
I love the Penguins clip just because it looks like the cameraman just accepts Iceberg being in the shot for a moment. He puts Iceberg in the center of the shot for a brief moment before the puck comes back to center ice. Was a fun moment watching that game on TV!
I’m a fairly new hockey fan, and the first time I saw a goalie leave the goal, I thought, “that seems like a bad idea. They must know something I don’t.”
As a former goaltender, I can tell you the reason goalies play the puck is because... its fun and I'm going to do something cool. The alternate reason is... my teammates aren't helping so I'll help myself... oh, nvm. Also for Samsonov, his stick/blocker looks like it gets caught a little bit on the top of the net and ice is slippery... or you know, spinning on your knees is fun and cool.
Hey, I made a similar argument to the "my teammates aren't helping so I'll help myself" thing last night. Someone was commenting on feeling bad for Logan Thompson after Vegas went 0 for 17 in the shootout over 3 games. I said he needs to convince PDB (or whoever is coaching the team next season) to let him shoot in the shootout.
@@jonmendelson1104 Logan Thompson is an AHL goalie thrown into a very difficult situation, one he should never have been put in. Logan Thompson tried his best. The Golden Nights did not.
@@samhatfield7732 I wasn't trying to put any blame on Thompson, I was just joking around. I don't even think goalies are allowed to take shootout attempts. Either way, going 14/17 (.824) in the shootout is very good (if you look the nhl records page for best shootout save percentages with 40+ shots faced, .824 would be the 3rd best). Ironically, the last place for active NHL players who have faced 40+ shootout attempts in their career is Robin Lehner at .545.
@@jonmendelson1104 Thompson did great in the shootouts. Comparing him to the way Jake Oettinger was in shootouts last year, Thompson is worlds better in his first season (because Jake was just... not good). He keeps that composure, he'll be fine.
@@angiebee2225 Again, I was in no way saying it was his fault. I was making a joke that he should start shooting in the shootout since his teammates can't score on their shots.
I think Philly messed up and was confused because a hand pass apparently isn't part of a reviewing a goal, but they could have reviewed the refs missing the hand pass. i.e. its similar to when a team is offside and scores, the goal itself isn't reviewed, they only check the offside.
@@michaelhawkin8484 Mike Yeo confirmed that the refs told him they couldn't review it, which was incorrect. So basically it's a double dang-it on the refs.
@@emmvee2932 It's not even that it's not reviewable, it's fully part of the coach's challenge rules. Everyone knows goalie interference and offsides, but you can challenge for "Missed Game Stoppage Event in the Offensive Zone Leading to a Goal" and a hand pass is a game stoppage event.
Dang it's and hat picks are my favorite weekly shows on UA-cam I wish you could post these on a separate channel from sportsnet so I could sub and not get 500 notifications a day lol
So my thought is, when he over skated the puck and then retreated to get it, was the goalie thinking "this is no shot" so was confused? Did the goalie let his guard down? You get my drift?
The penalty shot makes complete sense. There has to be a something that starts the shot attempt. It could be crossing the red line but that is no more arbitrary than touching the puck. And touching the puck rule means you don't have to scrutinize if he crossed the line a bit before getting it even in one motion. Once you have the rule on what starts the attempt it is no different than losing it half way down. Once the puck stops its forward movement the attempt is over.
Yup. No different to serve rule in tennis, if the player let the ball drop without touching it they can reset and serve again. However the player should go back behind the red line/ puck and start again.
@@mikebarka5626 In volleyball, if you throw the ball you have to serve. You can’t start your service after. I believe that this rule is better because you can’t trick your opponent.
That Wallet shot from the islanders Casey Cizikas was So Sweet watching that play live butt i didn't notice the Goalie trying to catch puck with glove behind his back twice ....... lol
That hand pass though that set up a goal in the Flyers-Canadians game was like 3 dang its in one. Philly tried to challenge it and the refs incorrectly told them that it wasn't a challenge-able play even though it is thanks to the Sharks-Blues playoff series a few years ago. The hand pass through the crease that became a goal, the fact everyone and even the refs knew that it shouldn't have counted, and them not knowing the rules.
I had both the Stars-Coyotes and Vegas-Blackhawks games on at the same time and within the same second the Stars went to overtime and the Blackhawks scored in the shootout and it was an incredible feeling
So glad to hear someone harp on "goalies tending the goal". I played goalie, and hated leaving the net open to play the puck behind the net. So many times you try and make the play, but can't get back there fast enough to really make a difference, let alone recover back to the net fast enough. And that doesn't even account for the odd ricochets the puck could take. That said, the coach would berate me anytime I wouldn't try to play a puck behind the net to the point some of my teammates would actually get mad at me too; like risking an open net was worth it so they didn't have to take an extra stride.
yeah that's just laziness of the "field" players and coaches are dumb to demand the goalie to leave his crease to help some defender avoid taking a stride or two more
Even pre-neck problems his time in Buffalo always came off as him being whiney and incredibly unhappy, always rubbed me the wrong way. Granted he played for some bad Buffalo teams but I've seen good and great players play for some really bad teams and not make a stink about it. Always felt like he has a poor/the wrong attitude
He has no good energy... He brings down everyone around him because if he isn't playing well then nobody else should be feeling good about how they're playing
One of the most irritating comments to me, as a goaltender, is “if you’re a goaltender, tend the goal”. Playing the puck as a goalie is an enormous part of the game. It can save your defensemen being hit in a compromising position, or save some of their energy if they’ve got a forward glued to them. Good goaltenders can catch the opposition on a bad change and help generate a chance, and goalies that know how to play the puck help prevent your team getting work down by constant cycling of the puck. Yes, mistakes happen, but the benefits outweigh the cost. That’s why goalies still play the puck in spite of this asinine one liner. The only people that say “if you’re a goaltender, tend the goal” are the ones that only watch hockey, and don’t play hockey.
Time and a place to play the puck, dangits happen when a goalie tries to play the puck at the wrong time, or just makes a terrible play with the puck, and yeah I've done it too, fellow tendie here
I guess it's a technicality: the attempt is considered started when the guy touches the puck. If you touch the puck and overskate it - you screwed up. If you overskate the puck without touching it - well, you didn't start your attempt, you are just having fun and preparing for it.
I think that touching the puck signifies starting your shootout attempt. Similar to high jump where you can do your run up but not jump and it does not count as an official attempt. Or at least that is what I think.
Yup, attempt starts when you touch the puck. You have to maintain forward progress as well, so that's why Marchand can't go back, he started his attempt by touching the puck and having it move.
Similar bet story, someone placed a 0.20$ bet on the 2020 f1 race at monza. The was a random podium with 67467:1 odds. Gasly, Sainz and Stroll. All three in midpack teams and all three with no race wins to their name. Surely enough. Gasly won, Sainz went second and Stroll went third. That race was insane.
The rule isn't "overskating the puck". The rule is "the puck must remain in forward motion"; it can't "remain" anything if it hasn't moved yet. That's why Marchand's didn't count and this one did. Pretty straight forward.
Steve: "I guarantee you weren't expecting that" on the Iceburgh camera block. I saw that live and the only thing I wasn't expecting was for it to be first and the thumbnail.
Samsonov is spinning to try and cover as much of the net, while maintaining his movement momentum. His right knee pad is dragging on the ground. His only other option, really, from this position is to maybe step his right leg up and around the post, and push across. The problem with that is that he exposes more of the bottom of the net (the most LIKELY place the puck will go from Cziekas’s position) while not being certain where the puck might get shot at/from. So in short covering as much as possible, while trying to get in the optimal position as quickly as possible.
The fact that Mark Kastelic scoring his first ever NHL goal on a softie against Carey Price, then dropping the gloves right after shooting it is neither a hat pick nor a dang-it floors me.
The Preds goalie vs the Avs running into the corner of his goal post and flopping over like he just got shot was kinda funny. I guess you had recorded this before that. But worth checking out for sure.
I think the team defending a penalty shot or shootout attempt should get to place a "chaser" that starts on the goal line, while the attacking shooter starts on his own blue line. That would create at least a little bit of back-pressure but still should give enough time for the attacker to make a good move. I hate the super slow approach that some shooters employ.
At 15:30, Steve said the Buffalo Sabres have been on the "right" side of many Dang-Its. Not on April 28 against the Bruins. They challenged two Bruins goals for being offsides. Both plays were close, but there was no conclusive evidence. They lost both challenges, and for the second loss they received a DOUBLE minor for delay of game. I had never heard of that rule.
It's a horrible rule and usually doesn't get reinforced because it usually doesn't happen... But when you're having the crap season and losing out as bad for going 11 seasons with no playoff run that's gonna happen just doing something because you can
Steve, the only argument against a penalty shot would be if the penalty wasn’t a penalty. There are 4 criteria for a penalty shot: Fouled directly from behind or diagonally from behind Fouled beyond the defending blue line No player between the player fouled and the goal tender And the foul denied the player a reasonable scoring opportunity. The slash is that he came down on the stick and knocked it out of Haula’s hands. That’s what the ref saw and called. From his angle, all the penalty shot criteria were met. If he was on the glove side rather than the blocker side he might have seen that the swing around did not actually cause the stick to come out of the players hands, as Haula just dropped it, but since the ref was blocked by Haula’s body, from his position, that was the right call.
Eichel registering one point (1A) over 6 games when Vegas needed wins and points is a huge Dang-It. Also, the Pens mascot doing that just gives me flashbacks to a month ago w/ Tampa vs Dallas while looking at the back of a bald head for the last minute of play.
With regards to the "tend the goal" trope .. it's normal for regular fans (and players) to think that the goalie should just stay in the net, or that he opted to just go for a little wander out of boredom. The thing is, these goalies have to play these pucks, it's part of the defensive system. If a goalie doesn't play it, he'll hear it from the D or the coaching staff, it's that important. So yes, it's valid to criticize the choices made by the goalie (where he played it, although a lot of those are drilled plays where he's supposed to put it), but they have to do it. The times they get scored on playing the puck stand out, but we don't have the benefit of seeing the stats for if a goalie didn't play the puck in these situations, chances are they'd be facing a lot more scoring opportunities. /Goalie thru college.
@SteveDangle You are correct in that the job of a goaltender is to tend the goal... but the most important job of any teammate is to protect their fellow teammates. Goaltenders playing the puck is as much a defensive strategy as it is a safety measure. Whenever the puck is dumped behind the net-- especially when it's moving so slowly that it might stay behind the net-- if your team's defenseman is first en route to the puck with a forechecker hot on his heels, they are susceptible to the worst kind of checks imaginable. I've seen defensemen toe pick while trying to deke out the forechecker and go into the boards awkwardly and I've seen full cheap shots from behind in these situations and if the goaltender is too scared to make a play on the puck out away from the end-boards, they're going to feel responsible. Plus playing the puck is a lot of fun.
It is silly for Marchands attempt to be invalidated, but the main reason is because once the pucks foward progress stops, then the attempt is dead. It's kinda like steve said. "At one point can you overskate" To which their should be a rule on that. In Marchand scenario there is no leeway or point in which a puck moves or when it stops moving. It doesn't matter when the forward progress stops, once it goes its over.
The touching of the puck is what starts the play.(like the face-off) remember the goalie can't leave the crease and set up until the puck is touched by the shooter. So if the player touched the puck its no difference if he loses control of the puck on the goalie's doorstep or if he moved it 2 inches. By your logic if a player loses control of the puck at anytime they should get a do-over... aren't shootouts long enough already. Which could lead to the same problem with the shootout - don't like your angle or approach -- oops lost the puck do-over!
The last two minutes are so important and are so key: If at someday, the average paying customer does not understand the game and the rules anymore, the league is gonna have problems. Feels like we move closer to this point everyday...
I think the touching the puck in the penalty shot thing is like the thing in chess where once you let go of a piece you moved, you cannot pick it up again, even if in a split second you realized you messed up and changed your mind about the move. Once you let go, the piece is has been played. Once you touch the puck, the puck is in play. But maybe not, I don't know
The rule for shootouts and penalty shots is that the puck must be continuously moving forward once touched. Marchand grazed it and the puck stopped shortly after. It isn’t about the touch, more so keeping the puck moving forward after the initial touch.
Poor Iceburgh, he's just trying to fire up the crowd with the air horn and then gets caught in the cameraman line of sight. But I agree with Steve that it was a] hilarious, and b] kudos to the producer in the truck for not cutting away.
As a Vegas local and fan, all I can say is that these last few losses were in no way Logan Thompsons fault. I can’t help but feel bad for him. He alone deserved, at least, to go to the playoffs in his first nhl season. Good luck to everyone who is going to the playoffs. I look forward to watching stress free for once
About the penalty shot. I agree with the call (no touch no foul). Like in The Mighty Ducks , when they skate circles around the puck (technically going beyond it) before touching it and moving forward with it
Gotta disagree with Steve's take on the shootout rule. I'll concede that Marchand's attempt and Haula's makes very little practical difference, but you have to draw the line somewhere and I think saying "the puck must always be moving forward" is much easier to measure and call objectively than any other wording of the rule. For a league that already has problems with imprecise wording and bad calls the line being so clear cut and easy to determine is a big time plus, even if from a logical perspective there is effectively no difference.
Ok but that means you can’t stick handle at your side or you have to be very careful when putting the puck between your legs because the PUCK moving backwards while the player is moving forwards can happen, it should be that the PLAYER has to be moving forwards at ALL times, from the second the whistle is blown, until it is called a goal/no goal
Vegas going 0-17 in shootout attempts with their season on the line might be the biggest Dang Its possible
I've watched a Hockey Night in Canada game where a team employee beat his own team on home ice. I think that one was worse, just ask Steve
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Nah, it's only 0-17 in attempts nothing too see here. The real shootout Dang It belongs to Devils who went 0-13 in s/o games back in 13-14 season and missed playoffs by 5 points.
@@ИльяГостеев-ц9э 0-17 in shootout attempts is still a gigantic dangit, and I’d argue even more embarrassing than going 0-14 in total shootouts. The only previous time a team lost 3 shootouts in a row without scoring was Florida in 2011 and they went 0-9. 0-17 in 3 straight shootouts is something we may never see again in our lifetimes, especially when Vegas was in the clutch and fighting for the playoffs. Had they even won 2/3 shootouts, which shouldn’t have been tough given how good Thompson was in them, they would currently be just one point back of Nashville, and 2 back of Dallas with the tie breaker.
Yeah. And Logan Thompson is the only reason they’ve been able to attempt 17 shots as a rookie goalie
You know the call is wrong when even Jack Edwards argues against the bruins 😂
Especially when it’s for Montreal
I thought that maybe I was just imagining the reffing being abnormally bad this year, Edwards right there confirmed that it is worse than recent memory
It's all because the ref had a terrible angle on the play, he was in awful position. From his angle, all he probably saw was Hoffmans stick coming down hard and then the stick dropping. He didn't see where he hit Haulas stick.
It's all because the ref had a terrible angle on the play, he was in awful position. From his angle, all he probably saw was Hoffmans stick coming down hard and then the stick dropping. He didn't see where he hit Haulas stick.
@@flanky1210 oh, absolutely. But the stick dropped so far after the fact I'd borderline Boston getting a penalty for embellishment
Steve, I am a die hard bruins fan, and I’d have to say there isn’t a single hockey analyst out there better than you. The bruins have given you more nightmares and heartbreak over the last decade than any team, yet you tell it how it is. I thoroughly enjoy watching your videos. I can’t stand the leafs but I watch every lfr win or loss. Steve dangle makes hockey make sense for everyone. Top notch energy. Top notch analyzing, we need more hockey fans like Steve. Thank you for being you!
couldn't agree more. i used to love hockey until i got a big concussion while playing in high school, at which point i just stopped caring altogether. Dangle's videos caught my eye in the recommendations a couple years ago while Babcock was coaching the Leafs and got me back into it again. He talks hockey in a way both new and familiar hockey watchers can understand, and it's a rare skill to have.
After "When are we ever gonna see that again" I half-expected his next words to be "For our next dang-it, let's see that again"
Sabres fan of almost 36 years, here. What Jack did on that play was what all the Sabres did while he was there. I can't count how many times the Sabres retrieved a loose puck on the boards and attempted a no-look pass or clear like that only for it to result in a turnover and a goal. What was even more boggling was the fact that it was never corrected in the six years Jack played in Buffalo. I cannot tell you how nice it's been to watch that particular bad habit die this season for my Sabres.
@Kevin S He should come and be our backup. He was at the Pats game!
It was our favorite move right behind the "weak clear attempt right up the boards" on the penalty kill.
@@ninetailedfox579121 How many times have we heard "Cleared but not out" from RJ the last ten years, man? :P
As a goalie myself, If I could pull a Partick Roy and carry it to center each time for shits and giggles, I would
That Kyle Okposo bet was similer to the guy who thought he had bet on Leicester City to their first game of the 2015-16 season but mistakenly bet on Leicester to win the Premier League in 2015-16 at the very long odds of 5000-1. To that point Leicester had never won a major trophy but won the league in probably the biggest upset in English footnall history.
What’s footnall
Perhaps the biggest upset in team sports history, especially since they did it over a 38 game season
@@t0xicgr33n4 I think he meant "football" or soccer as it's known in North America.
I’m almost scared to ask how much he won
@@MrZachtheKingsfan £50,000
ABSOLUTELY awesome content! Steve is common enough to "hang out" together, polished enough to present well, crass enough to be hockey, and edgy enough to be tons of fun!
As a director, I completely agree, and had exactly the same reaction.
"Dang it, get Iceburgh out of the shot!"
"No, wait.. just leave it.. keep following the play."
"...I really hope they don't score."
I always watch Dang-Its with my 11-year old son.
After the Samsonov Dang It I said "Maybe he's dancing?"
My son replied, " Maybe he's trying to impress the ladies."
I nearly peed my pants.
I think it's a little silly to watch Fleury misplay the puck like he did in that clip. It's going to be so satisfying though to watch him enjoy some play-off hockey while Vegas watches from the sidelines. I'm torn between feeling that he was fortunate to have been traded away from a team that couldn't make the play-offs, or was it karma coming back to bite Vegas for trading away the face of their franchise in such a secretive dirty way. 🤷♂️
On Haula's PS: I'm pretty sure Steve is just being silly for the sake of being silly, but I actually like that the NHL has hard defined rules for stuff like this. If the puck stops motion after it has started, the play is over. Also, the puck has to completely cross the goal line to count as a goal. It doesn't matter how "little" Marchand moves the puck any more than it would matter how "little" of a puck still hasn't crossed the goal line. Any amount counts, since that's where we draw the line.
Anything that is left up to the judgment call of the refs is bound to have issues, especially in hockey where the minutia of millimeters is sometimes the difference in a fast-paced full-contact sport with 100 mph pucks. If I want a sport where people just give me their feelings about who is the best on the ice, I'll watch figure skating.
I agree, these 2 are not the same in my eyes. Puck movement has always been the decisive factor, and there was no question about that in here. I mean Haula went back, got the puck, and was left with less options with speed and room than he had before. What on earth could be wrong with that?
@@CometF81 to be fair that was on Haula that he was left with less speed and options. He should’ve just reset and did another loop around the circle and come at it again.
Agreed. Though I see Steve's point about how similar the two events were, there has to be a definitive "line" of legality. Without such, it's left to interpretation and Steve of all people will tell you how well the refs interpret situations. Marchand's play and Haula's, while very similar, were on opposite sides of the established line, and the existence of such is important to take any kind of competition seriously. Without that, we might as well save a couple hours and just ask the refs who wins.
The only potential fix I could see happening is changing the rule so that the forward progress of the puck AND player must continue.
As a Caps fan, I think I can speak for all of us when I say that I’m scared for the playoffs. Our starter, Sammy, is incredibly inconsistent and we never seem to use VV in important games/ games against better teams. In my opinion Vanecek is a much better goaltender and we need to take advantage of what we have, while we have it.
Speaking as a Pens fan, I just want to add that it's going to be a really weird offseason with the Pens competing with the Caps for tee times in the second round instead of for the right to go to the conference championships.
It's simple: There has to be a Start and an End to a Penalty Shot. And the Penalty Shot starts, when the Puck is touched by the player and ends, when it's either in the net, being saved by the goalie, or misses the goal.
Simple and most of all: it leaves no room for interpretation.
Another rule they implemented for the shootout is that once the puck starts moving forward it cannot stop or move backwards. This was to prevent the spin move player started using during shootouts. Not sure if this also applies for penalty shots or not.
@@johncole5893 yes either the player or the puck must move forward. You can see in some datsyukian moves the puck being drawn back but the players motion makes it legal
that rule should be changed to when the player start to move tbh.
We ask the same thing every night Steve... trust me. No Caps fan knows what Samsonov is doing. Either losing his stick, or spinning like a top. Caps will get eliminated in the first round again if this happens in the playoffs. Can't do that against Florida.
Vanecek needs to be your guy
Just win next 2 games and play against NYR.
As a fellow Caps fan, I can say that we all feel the same way. Sammy is just far to inconsistent in his goaltending. VV is gonna shine real bright when the end of our season comes around.
I feel that the rule makes sense because as soon as you move that puck, it's in play. So, if you mess up the approach, that should be invalid and if you don't move it it's fine. You put in a 15sec time limit to have to touch the puck or the shot is waived off to stop any stalling or mind games. Not that dumb imo.
Ever rule has those moments where the rule applies but is unnecessary, but the jurisdiction of that rule has to start somewhere.
Pretty sure the reason for the call is that the puck has to continue forward momentum, meant to stop spinorama moves, but this is just a consequence of it. If you change the rule you have to disallow those sorts of moves in a different way
@@chriswaight1460 Rewrite the rule so that once the player passes the red line, he needs to maintain forward motion. If you have to stop to go back to the puck, your shot attempt is over. A similar rule applies in soccer where a player taking a penalty shot can't "stutter" their kick; in both cases, the goaltender is thrown off by the staccato rhythm of the shooter.
Steve... its not arbitrary at all.... the whole point is that the non arbitrary rule is based on puck movement.
@@tiladx i gotta disagree with that logic on account that a hockey shooter is skating the puck. And you are specifically allowed to mess with timing by changing your speed, taking a wide line. Etc. As long as you maintain forward momentum.
In soccar is one touch and done with a HUGE net to cover. Where getting the goalie to commit makes it trivial. Vs hockey where goalies can cover a large portion of the net.
And i say this all as a former hockey goalie.
After that Sabres shorthanded goal, they scored another on the same penalty kill
That should be a double hat pick
That penalty shot on Hoffman was dumb. He did "slash" the stick, but he only made contact with the blade, so that should have been allowed. I'm shocked Steve missed the other Dang It in that game when the Bruins had 8 or 9 players on the ice and yet they didn't get a too many men penalty.
Yeah that one was lucky, they were changing so half of them weren’t apart of the play although still on the ice and I agree it should have been called but they were lined up to get off.
I think what made it penalty shot was: from refs angle it propably looked like slash, especially when Haula dropped his stick to avoid tripping penalty, because his stick went between Hoffmans legs. That was series of bad luck for Montreal.
Point is I see why it was called, but it shouldn't have. That is just something that happens in hockey and in cases like this it can be infuriating. There are many cases when people want to hang the refs on situations like this. That is why I like the ref cams. It allows people who might not think about "what it looked like from ref POV" to see why it was called (in cases it maybe shouldn't have been called).
@@teemup9247 tbh, NHL really need to add a contest rule for stupid ref calls like that. That's the type of call that literally change a game.
@@akareim2845 Whilst I agree to some degree, that is kind of hard to find the line for game not lasting 7 hours because of constant video checks.
I would think most players coaches and even hockey fans prefer these humane errors to be part of the game. Even though sometimes it ends up infuriating you.
@@teemup9247 there is few ways to ensure that coach won't abuse that rule. In Volleyball, for example, they have a limits of 2 contest call per set if the contest doesn't work. So they could limit it to 1 per game and if they fail, they have a second penalty like an usual contest call! Refering was so bad this year, that i think a rule like that would have help a lot in the end.
The start of a penalty shot/shootout attempt is the puck being touched. After that forward momentum must be maintained in order for it to be legal. Marchand has to come to a complete stop and the puck comes to a complete stop. Haula doesn't start the attempt because the puck isn't stopped. We sometimes see guys on their attempts skate around the puck and cross the red line several times. If we were basing it off of them crossing the red line players wouldn't be able to cross the red line anymore before they attempt their shot.
I love the Penguins clip just because it looks like the cameraman just accepts Iceberg being in the shot for a moment. He puts Iceberg in the center of the shot for a brief moment before the puck comes back to center ice. Was a fun moment watching that game on TV!
I’m a fairly new hockey fan, and the first time I saw a goalie leave the goal, I thought, “that seems like a bad idea. They must know something I don’t.”
I tuned in just in time to see Haula’s flyby. Never even knew about the “penalty” that led to it. Haha
perfect timing, i was saved from doing my homework
As a former goaltender, I can tell you the reason goalies play the puck is because... its fun and I'm going to do something cool. The alternate reason is... my teammates aren't helping so I'll help myself... oh, nvm.
Also for Samsonov, his stick/blocker looks like it gets caught a little bit on the top of the net and ice is slippery... or you know, spinning on your knees is fun and cool.
Hey, I made a similar argument to the "my teammates aren't helping so I'll help myself" thing last night. Someone was commenting on feeling bad for Logan Thompson after Vegas went 0 for 17 in the shootout over 3 games. I said he needs to convince PDB (or whoever is coaching the team next season) to let him shoot in the shootout.
@@jonmendelson1104 Logan Thompson is an AHL goalie thrown into a very difficult situation, one he should never have been put in. Logan Thompson tried his best. The Golden Nights did not.
@@samhatfield7732 I wasn't trying to put any blame on Thompson, I was just joking around. I don't even think goalies are allowed to take shootout attempts. Either way, going 14/17 (.824) in the shootout is very good (if you look the nhl records page for best shootout save percentages with 40+ shots faced, .824 would be the 3rd best). Ironically, the last place for active NHL players who have faced 40+ shootout attempts in their career is Robin Lehner at .545.
@@jonmendelson1104 Thompson did great in the shootouts. Comparing him to the way Jake Oettinger was in shootouts last year, Thompson is worlds better in his first season (because Jake was just... not good). He keeps that composure, he'll be fine.
@@angiebee2225 Again, I was in no way saying it was his fault. I was making a joke that he should start shooting in the shootout since his teammates can't score on their shots.
How the hand pass goal in the Montreal- Philadelphia game wasn’t a dang it on the refs. I HAVE NO IDEA
I think Philly messed up and was confused because a hand pass apparently isn't part of a reviewing a goal, but they could have reviewed the refs missing the hand pass. i.e. its similar to when a team is offside and scores, the goal itself isn't reviewed, they only check the offside.
@@emmvee2932 I heard rumblings that the refs said they couldn’t review it, but either way it’s a pretty big dang it, despite the outcome of the game
@@michaelhawkin8484 Mike Yeo confirmed that the refs told him they couldn't review it, which was incorrect. So basically it's a double dang-it on the refs.
@@emmvee2932 The refs told them they couldn't review, but the refs...got the rule wrong. Hand passes are 100% reviewable after a goal.
@@emmvee2932 It's not even that it's not reviewable, it's fully part of the coach's challenge rules. Everyone knows goalie interference and offsides, but you can challenge for "Missed Game Stoppage Event in the Offensive Zone Leading to a Goal" and a hand pass is a game stoppage event.
Dang it's and hat picks are my favorite weekly shows on UA-cam I wish you could post these on a separate channel from sportsnet so I could sub and not get 500 notifications a day lol
14:32 Yes, because Quick let in a bad misplayed goal at home years ago and the boards behind him said "That was easy."
On home ice.
So my thought is, when he over skated the puck and then retreated to get it, was the goalie thinking "this is no shot" so was confused? Did the goalie let his guard down? You get my drift?
Yeah he said he was wondering what the hell was going on and it threw him off a bit
Steve your commentary was spot on and you are quite funny. Thank you for making me have a few laughs.
The penalty shot makes complete sense. There has to be a something that starts the shot attempt. It could be crossing the red line but that is no more arbitrary than touching the puck. And touching the puck rule means you don't have to scrutinize if he crossed the line a bit before getting it even in one motion. Once you have the rule on what starts the attempt it is no different than losing it half way down. Once the puck stops its forward movement the attempt is over.
Yup. No different to serve rule in tennis, if the player let the ball drop without touching it they can reset and serve again. However the player should go back behind the red line/ puck and start again.
Just like the tuck rule in the NFL. Completely understandable, makes perfect sense.
I don’t agree. If I put myself in Montembault position, I would’t be happy at all. You see the guy breaking and going back. It ruins your preparation.
@@mikebarka5626 In volleyball, if you throw the ball you have to serve. You can’t start your service after. I believe that this rule is better because you can’t trick your opponent.
@@funnypower5270 So if a player dekes left and goes right, that also ruins the goalies preparation so that shouldn't count either then?
*Minor dang-it to NBC Sports' Washington affiliate for labelling Cizikas' goal as a Washington goal before changing it to a NYI one.*
Lmaooo I lost it at that Tasmanian devil bit 😂😂🤦♂️🫢
The Jack edwards thing had me losing it 😂
That Wallet shot from the islanders Casey Cizikas was So Sweet watching that play live butt i didn't notice the Goalie trying to catch puck with glove behind his back twice ....... lol
That hand pass though that set up a goal in the Flyers-Canadians game was like 3 dang its in one. Philly tried to challenge it and the refs incorrectly told them that it wasn't a challenge-able play even though it is thanks to the Sharks-Blues playoff series a few years ago. The hand pass through the crease that became a goal, the fact everyone and even the refs knew that it shouldn't have counted, and them not knowing the rules.
DangIt conservation law: If there no "if you goaltender - tend the goal" last week, there is two times more on this week :)
I know what you mean, but I'm a smart ass so I'll point out that two times zero equals zero.
19:11 To be honest with you, when you look at it at first glance, it’s a slash. Then when I slowed it down, I noticed the sticks never made contact.
*Don't hate on Iceburgh! He went toe-to-toe with Jean-Claude Van Damme!*
I had both the Stars-Coyotes and Vegas-Blackhawks games on at the same time and within the same second the Stars went to overtime and the Blackhawks scored in the shootout and it was an incredible feeling
So glad to hear someone harp on "goalies tending the goal". I played goalie, and hated leaving the net open to play the puck behind the net. So many times you try and make the play, but can't get back there fast enough to really make a difference, let alone recover back to the net fast enough. And that doesn't even account for the odd ricochets the puck could take. That said, the coach would berate me anytime I wouldn't try to play a puck behind the net to the point some of my teammates would actually get mad at me too; like risking an open net was worth it so they didn't have to take an extra stride.
yeah that's just laziness of the "field" players and coaches are dumb to demand the goalie to leave his crease to help some defender avoid taking a stride or two more
Lol even Haula dropped his stick and turned like "wtf did i do?! oh its on him, OH ITS ON HIM"
Eichel just never looks happy. He’s so talented yet he makes me feel like no one enjoys his energy levels in the locker room. Maybe I’m wrong.
maybe not, I get that feeling too
Even pre-neck problems his time in Buffalo always came off as him being whiney and incredibly unhappy, always rubbed me the wrong way. Granted he played for some bad Buffalo teams but I've seen good and great players play for some really bad teams and not make a stink about it. Always felt like he has a poor/the wrong attitude
@@justjohnny420 made no sense either because he was in Buffalo for a very long time before being an NHL player.
@@justjohnny420 made no sense either because he was in Buffalo for a very long time before being an NHL player.
He has no good energy... He brings down everyone around him because if he isn't playing well then nobody else should be feeling good about how they're playing
It always warms my hearr every time Steve makes an anime or a cartoon reference.
One of the most irritating comments to me, as a goaltender, is “if you’re a goaltender, tend the goal”. Playing the puck as a goalie is an enormous part of the game. It can save your defensemen being hit in a compromising position, or save some of their energy if they’ve got a forward glued to them. Good goaltenders can catch the opposition on a bad change and help generate a chance, and goalies that know how to play the puck help prevent your team getting work down by constant cycling of the puck. Yes, mistakes happen, but the benefits outweigh the cost. That’s why goalies still play the puck in spite of this asinine one liner. The only people that say “if you’re a goaltender, tend the goal” are the ones that only watch hockey, and don’t play hockey.
Time and a place to play the puck, dangits happen when a goalie tries to play the puck at the wrong time, or just makes a terrible play with the puck, and yeah I've done it too, fellow tendie here
Oof.
As a goalie I have to agree, Samsonov wasn’t urgent enough to get back into position.
I feel like the first goal from the Hurricanes vs Islanders should have definitely been in here.
1:07
You are quite correct. Good call to not tease it; that's hilarious.
Steve, don't think for a second that because you're Canadian, you've ever called it "Dragon Ball Zed".
Now Lord Zed on the other hand...
I guess it's a technicality: the attempt is considered started when the guy touches the puck.
If you touch the puck and overskate it - you screwed up.
If you overskate the puck without touching it - well, you didn't start your attempt, you are just having fun and preparing for it.
that's the way it is
That entire Bruins/Habs game was bonkers. In the 2nd period, they were allowing WWE style takedowns for both teams
I think that touching the puck signifies starting your shootout attempt. Similar to high jump where you can do your run up but not jump and it does not count as an official attempt. Or at least that is what I think.
Yup, attempt starts when you touch the puck. You have to maintain forward progress as well, so that's why Marchand can't go back, he started his attempt by touching the puck and having it move.
I remember watching that historic pens game and it was the funniest thing when you have been watching a normal hockey and then bang Iceburgh
Similar bet story, someone placed a 0.20$ bet on the 2020 f1 race at monza. The was a random podium with 67467:1 odds. Gasly, Sainz and Stroll. All three in midpack teams and all three with no race wins to their name. Surely enough. Gasly won, Sainz went second and Stroll went third. That race was insane.
I knew that moment for the thumbnail would make it on here.
The entire Haula sequence was several layers of dang-it.
haula’s face after the goal says it all lmaooo
That Eichel giveaway was just a thing of beauty to watch.
The rule isn't "overskating the puck". The rule is "the puck must remain in forward motion"; it can't "remain" anything if it hasn't moved yet. That's why Marchand's didn't count and this one did. Pretty straight forward.
Steve: "I guarantee you weren't expecting that" on the Iceburgh camera block. I saw that live and the only thing I wasn't expecting was for it to be first and the thumbnail.
Samsonov is spinning to try and cover as much of the net, while maintaining his movement momentum. His right knee pad is dragging on the ground. His only other option, really, from this position is to maybe step his right leg up and around the post, and push across. The problem with that is that he exposes more of the bottom of the net (the most LIKELY place the puck will go from Cziekas’s position) while not being certain where the puck might get shot at/from. So in short covering as much as possible, while trying to get in the optimal position as quickly as possible.
I actually love Sammy’s spinning move though. It really made me laught hard everytime i watched it..
This is the indeed the best day of the week 🙌🏼
The fact that Mark Kastelic scoring his first ever NHL goal on a softie against Carey Price, then dropping the gloves right after shooting it is neither a hat pick nor a dang-it floors me.
The lack of Nashville allowing a goal with .1 second left disappoints me
Yea same... Might make hat picks
I thought he was in front of a TV screen until it zoomed out and people were sitting with him lmao
The Mascot one is the funniest ‘dang it’ of the season.
The Preds goalie vs the Avs running into the corner of his goal post and flopping over like he just got shot was kinda funny. I guess you had recorded this before that. But worth checking out for sure.
I think the team defending a penalty shot or shootout attempt should get to place a "chaser" that starts on the goal line, while the attacking shooter starts on his own blue line. That would create at least a little bit of back-pressure but still should give enough time for the attacker to make a good move. I hate the super slow approach that some shooters employ.
12:00 That is also quite the outstanding hat pick for the goal! That looked really awkward to shoot as he was _on the ice_ when he shot that!
At 15:30, Steve said the Buffalo Sabres have been on the "right" side of many Dang-Its. Not on April 28 against the Bruins. They challenged two Bruins goals for being offsides. Both plays were close, but there was no conclusive evidence. They lost both challenges, and for the second loss they received a DOUBLE minor for delay of game. I had never heard of that rule.
It's a horrible rule and usually doesn't get reinforced because it usually doesn't happen... But when you're having the crap season and losing out as bad for going 11 seasons with no playoff run that's gonna happen just doing something because you can
Steve, the only argument against a penalty shot would be if the penalty wasn’t a penalty.
There are 4 criteria for a penalty shot:
Fouled directly from behind or diagonally from behind
Fouled beyond the defending blue line
No player between the player fouled and the goal tender
And the foul denied the player a reasonable scoring opportunity.
The slash is that he came down on the stick and knocked it out of Haula’s hands. That’s what the ref saw and called. From his angle, all the penalty shot criteria were met. If he was on the glove side rather than the blocker side he might have seen that the swing around did not actually cause the stick to come out of the players hands, as Haula just dropped it, but since the ref was blocked by Haula’s body, from his position, that was the right call.
Laughed out loud at the mental vision of Haula skating around the rink 5 times before picking up the puck and going in for the penalty shot.
I’m surprised you didn’t include the panthers giving up two goals in nine seconds against the bruins
Eichel registering one point (1A) over 6 games when Vegas needed wins and points is a huge Dang-It.
Also, the Pens mascot doing that just gives me flashbacks to a month ago w/ Tampa vs Dallas while looking at the back of a bald head for the last minute of play.
Appreciated the Seinfeld reference!
In the Devils - Sabres game there were actually not just 2 Dang-Its but 2 Dang-Its on the same power play that happened less than a minute apart.
With regards to the "tend the goal" trope .. it's normal for regular fans (and players) to think that the goalie should just stay in the net, or that he opted to just go for a little wander out of boredom.
The thing is, these goalies have to play these pucks, it's part of the defensive system. If a goalie doesn't play it, he'll hear it from the D or the coaching staff, it's that important. So yes, it's valid to criticize the choices made by the goalie (where he played it, although a lot of those are drilled plays where he's supposed to put it), but they have to do it. The times they get scored on playing the puck stand out, but we don't have the benefit of seeing the stats for if a goalie didn't play the puck in these situations, chances are they'd be facing a lot more scoring opportunities.
/Goalie thru college.
@SteveDangle You are correct in that the job of a goaltender is to tend the goal... but the most important job of any teammate is to protect their fellow teammates.
Goaltenders playing the puck is as much a defensive strategy as it is a safety measure. Whenever the puck is dumped behind the net-- especially when it's moving so slowly that it might stay behind the net-- if your team's defenseman is first en route to the puck with a forechecker hot on his heels, they are susceptible to the worst kind of checks imaginable.
I've seen defensemen toe pick while trying to deke out the forechecker and go into the boards awkwardly and I've seen full cheap shots from behind in these situations and if the goaltender is too scared to make a play on the puck out away from the end-boards, they're going to feel responsible. Plus playing the puck is a lot of fun.
*** I've also been scored on by Okposo from beyond the blueline lmao 😂
*J-F Berube's performance in tonight's game is a big Dang-It. Not sure if it'll be featured next week, though.*
It is silly for Marchands attempt to be invalidated, but the main reason is because once the pucks foward progress stops, then the attempt is dead. It's kinda like steve said. "At one point can you overskate" To which their should be a rule on that. In Marchand scenario there is no leeway or point in which a puck moves or when it stops moving. It doesn't matter when the forward progress stops, once it goes its over.
Did anyone see the puck curve after the shot, like how did he do that, I am impressed
Iceburgh's face hasn't been the same since Jean-Claude Van Damme visited back in 1995
I was at the Caps game and yelled "If you're a goaltender, tend the goal!"
Steve, that is not fair featuring a that Vegas San Jose game in Hat Picks and Dang Its
The touching of the puck is what starts the play.(like the face-off) remember the goalie can't leave the crease and set up until the puck is touched by the shooter. So if the player touched the puck its no difference if he loses control of the puck on the goalie's doorstep or if he moved it 2 inches. By your logic if a player loses control of the puck at anytime they should get a do-over... aren't shootouts long enough already. Which could lead to the same problem with the shootout - don't like your angle or approach -- oops lost the puck do-over!
Steve, us Caps fans have been yelling “What are you doing?” at Ilya for the last 2 seasons
The last two minutes are so important and are so key:
If at someday, the average paying customer does not understand the game and the rules anymore, the league is gonna have problems.
Feels like we move closer to this point everyday...
I'm so happy seeing the cizikas goal XD
I think the touching the puck in the penalty shot thing is like the thing in chess where once you let go of a piece you moved, you cannot pick it up again, even if in a split second you realized you messed up and changed your mind about the move. Once you let go, the piece is has been played. Once you touch the puck, the puck is in play. But maybe not, I don't know
Florida fan here. Boston scored 2 goals in 6 seconds on us... We lost that game.
The rule for shootouts and penalty shots is that the puck must be continuously moving forward once touched. Marchand grazed it and the puck stopped shortly after. It isn’t about the touch, more so keeping the puck moving forward after the initial touch.
Vegas doing their best Toronto Maple Leafs impression blowing the lead against San Jose. Oh, and IF YOU'RE A GOALTENDER, TEND THE GOAL!!!!
Poor Iceburgh, he's just trying to fire up the crowd with the air horn and then gets caught in the cameraman line of sight. But I agree with Steve that it was a] hilarious, and b] kudos to the producer in the truck for not cutting away.
As a Vegas local and fan, all I can say is that these last few losses were in no way Logan Thompsons fault. I can’t help but feel bad for him. He alone deserved, at least, to go to the playoffs in his first nhl season. Good luck to everyone who is going to the playoffs. I look forward to watching stress free for once
He should've petitioned PDB to violate league rules and let him take a shot in the shootout!
The color analyst for the Caps is brutal
About the penalty shot. I agree with the call (no touch no foul). Like in The Mighty Ducks , when they skate circles around the puck (technically going beyond it) before touching it and moving forward with it
I miss Calgary - Nashville. What about the 0.1 Sec. Goal from Tkchuck, that made the OT possible???
the marc andre fleury one was a prime example of fleury going and getting it for fun lol
Gotta disagree with Steve's take on the shootout rule. I'll concede that Marchand's attempt and Haula's makes very little practical difference, but you have to draw the line somewhere and I think saying "the puck must always be moving forward" is much easier to measure and call objectively than any other wording of the rule. For a league that already has problems with imprecise wording and bad calls the line being so clear cut and easy to determine is a big time plus, even if from a logical perspective there is effectively no difference.
Ok but that means you can’t stick handle at your side or you have to be very careful when putting the puck between your legs because the PUCK moving backwards while the player is moving forwards can happen, it should be that the PLAYER has to be moving forwards at ALL times, from the second the whistle is blown, until it is called a goal/no goal
@11:25 I knew this was going to be included in “Dang-Its”