@@4x4fronsc I’m talking about that I can see anyone saying either bivol won 7-5, beterbiev 7-5 or having it 6-6 a draw as fair assessments of the fight. Not rocket science.
I had it 7-5 Beterbiev. 6-6 draw is ok too. I cannot see a Bivol win. If Beterbiev sweeps 10/11/12 that means to get to a Bivol win you would need to have it 7-2 after 9. That just did not happen.
No way Beterbiev won rd 10. Bivol hit him like 2x with like 3-4 piece combos cleanly. Beterbiev then maybe got a hit off of Bivol. Beteriev is just a freakin tank.
I had it 7-5 Beterbiev last night live, watched it back 6-6. Very enjoyable main event. Ben W needs to get a proper training team, come back and rematch Cameron Wardley irons out a Wilder/Chisora that does great for profile - he mentioned jonny fisher but thats maybe to win british outright but then i’d like to see him in against a anderson/Ruiz - A named Yank as the U.S would love a fabio wardley. All very enjoyable
It was really the same as almost every other beterbiev fight except he just couldn’t get the finish. Bivols conditioning, defensive discipline and fast counters were enough for him to weather the storm. It’s not clear if/how much beterbiev’s knee was a factor. I think he needed 10% more aggression, 20-30 seconds earlier in the rounds and he probably drops bivol at some point and maybe stops him. Easier said than done at 39 w/ a knee injury though. Also I just wanna say how refreshing it is to see a guy like beterbiev vs an elite mover like bivol. He actually knew how to cut off the ring and made bivol fight! It’s getting old seeing some of these fighters chase a guy around the ring for 12 then complain they ran. Teo vs Ortiz, Shakur vs DLS etc.
I’m Bivol fan had him winning but Artur made a fan out of me. This guy is versatile and ridiculously good. Not many power pressure maulers can go on the backfoot to spring trap counters and competitively jab with the best jabber in the business
The problem I have with a lot of people saying Bivol won because the punches didn’t land clean but even Bivol said his eye got busted cause Beterbiev kept punching his hand into his face Beterbiev also had Bivol hurt and on the back foot multiple times the same people that hate on Shakur are praising Bivol for doing the same thing
@@joebriggs5253 not every punch your acting like Beterbiev isn’t one of the most devastating punchers in boxing today just say your a casual Bivol himself admitted those punches hurt him
Shakur and Bivol are not the same.. dont even compare. Bivol was landing clean hard combos, then moving. If there's a definition of hit while not being hit, it's what Bivol did. If Shakur had fought someone on Beterbiev's level, he would have been mauled. You can't JUST run from Beterbiev, you have to fire something back so he's also cautious.
@JonathanVegaa he said he hit hard but bivol is honest. Beterbiev got humbled thinking it'd be easy. His whole team got humbled. Why didn't he just walk through bivol if the punches didn't hurt?
Biv needs to adjust his tactics to win the rematch. Judges are harsh towards fighters with the points then disengage amateur boxing tactic. You need to go for winning every minute in pro boxing. UNOFFICIAL rule of boxing the championship rounds are the most important rounds
Great fight I had beterbiev 115-114 the judges saw BB willing to pressing the fight throwing more shots & doing more damage that’s why BB won I can’t wait for the rematch 🔥🥊
Beterbiev won. He was the one forcing the fight. All Bivol was doing high gurad and running for dear life. The odd 5-6 seconds burst of Bivol doesn't make you win a 3 minute round.
And just walking forward without landing clean is not a very convincing win, even his team thought he needed a knockout and Artur himself said that he wasn't happy with his performance
Bivol moved his feet to get away from punches. Boxing isn't necessarily about always standing still in front of your opponent. If moving you feet causes you to avoid punches you need to do what you have to do. Bivol landed good shots and landed his jab also.
I was never as high on Whittaker as the UK media so color me surprised when i felt he dominated the first 2 rounds with his jab alone, I literally said to myself "Damn, hes better than i thought" but over the course of the fight his composure slowly withered. On the bright side I wont be as harsh on his performance as i foresee others being since i wasnt too invested compared to the UK fans i see online in the comments, im actually fairly impressed he didnt completely capitulate.
You are spot on bro! subscribed. ...Dmitry won the quality exchanges and blocked most shots.. Artur pressed the fight for the usual tko but was denied then had to win catch up rounds and hope. . .. Dmitry survived Arturs pressure and outboxed him clean .Beterviev team were shocked couldn't believe they got the win . It should of been a draw. But 112 to 116 score is just embarrassing
7-5 Beterbiev for me. 6-6 was also fine. I don’t like others saying it was a robbery. I backed Artur this time but would probably favor Bivol to make adjustments and win the rematch.
This fight was a highly technical chess match with clean punches. Biv’s flashy headshots and Bet’s venomous body strikes. Clean punching chess matches > brawls or Mexican shootouts
I thought Bivol put an amazing performance probably his best to date but still I had Beterbiev winning 7-5 rounds. I really feel like he edged it with those last 2 rounds even though Beterbiev did look a bit old and slow in this fight in my opinon.
This was a great but unsatisfying fight. This might have been different if it were a 15 rounder, knowing that we don’t do that anymore to prevent injuries.
@@wassaaa710 Not the case here! Beterbiev's crew NEVER HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE. I'm 68 and a boxing historian. I've watched boxing hardcore since Carlos Ortiz was champ. You obviously can figure out how long that is.
@@drummersagainstitk obviously they didn’t have this issue before because 100% of the guys were on the ground. 7-5 Beterbiev and even ray Charles could see it
@@wassaaa710 The fight was 5 to 1 after 6rds BIVOL comfortably AHEAD. Everyone agreed with that. Beterbiev won every rd after the 6th? NO. The 116/112 JUDGE would've had to make the last 6rds all Beterbiev. That is what happened. Agree? Ray Charles was blind but could rationalize thoughts.
its a shame they both under Ben Davison cos Wardley and Itauma would be a banger imo they both just at the door of the top heavyweights, I personally dont rate Johnny Fisher
As someone expecting Massey to cause an upset or at least be a banana skin slip, I have got some egg on my face. Jai made it look easy tonight, loved his jabs and ring control. I might be slightly biased but I feel that out of all the other Cruiserweight champs, Chris Billiam Smith has the best chance against Jai though hes still obviouslya massive underdog
This win doesn’t feel like a victory for Bet nor his fanbase. We need an immediate rematch. Biv has no excuses and takes full responsibility for his performance. This is a good sign for a rematch. Biv realizes he must make a tactical adjustment: win every minute of the fight in pro boxing
I think you have missed the point that most of Bivols work was very light touches so the word "effective" is important, Bivol was touching not punching with a lot of his work due to going backwards and he did no damage to Beterbiev who marks up very easily, was a close fight but I think the similarity of the 3 judges cards bar a few swing rounds gave the right aggregate result (None of them made Bivol the winner).....Rematch 100% but I think Bivol gets stopped next time as he really can't change things bar committing to more power which involves planting your feet, then he gets into a trade and he won't win that with Beterbiev. Whereas Beterbiev knows Bivols moves now so he already made the adjustments.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing If that were the case and those shots landed then Beterbievs face would reflect that, Bivol was too quick to get on his bike as he was landing the shots not fully committed because he feared the return fire.
@Thetache Of course he’s going to get on his bike and fear the return… IT’S BETERBIEV! He’s not going to box a stupid fight. He held his feet and let his hands go plenty through 9 rounds. Just didn’t do it enough in the championship rounds to keep Beterbiev at bay.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing There is a big difference in fully committing to shots and without doing that Bivol gave Beterbiev no reason to worry about going forward, Beterbiev marks up very easily and after 12 rounds he had a rub mark on his forehead, so either Bivol was just touching or Beterbiev was blocking them, choose your poison, thats why all 3 judges did not see Bivol doing enough to win the rounds, best he got was a draw, from 1 of them. The fact that the words "did enough" came from many on the Bivol side shows he did not in fact do enough and did not leave it all out there. A close fight yes but a Bivol win No chance.
Teddy Atlas always comes with weird views of a close fight. Andre Ward, Sergey Kovalev, 2 LHW legends had Bivol winning. Same as Carl Froch and Frank Warren. Even Turki said he thought Bivol won. And these guys are neutral.
For me… the fact that Beterbiev’s corner told him he needed a knockout to win in the 10th, and Beterbiev HIMSELF said “I think he has good skills, even better than mine… but tonight Allah chose me” tells the tale of the fight. Bivol should have been the victor.
@@dingse3_that’s a bunch of baloney - I think people were easily swayed by the crappy commentary but need to rewatch it with an open mind. AB won clearly.
The only complaint I had about the event as a whole was that 116-112 scorecard. The fight was more of a draw or one round towards either guy. I was going for Beterbiev, but as a fan of the sport, that's my honest assessment. All that being said l, if any fight needs a rematch, it's this.
copying my own comment word for word from Gmans video: "Even though i had predicted Artur on points, I thought Bivol just edged it personally i had it scored 115-113, during the fight i felt he was losing the middle rounds but when he turnt it up again in the final 3, i realized he had just been conserving energy since he had won the 1st three rounds kinda similiar to what Loma and Usyk do, perhaps this is a sign that unless youre Usyk who can be convincingly dominant enough, its an easy startegy to not get the rub of the green but like the haney fight imma gonna go out on a limb and say it was too close to be called a robbery" also Bivol was definetly more accurate imo so i scored 2 of the swing rounds to him
opinions are opinions..as well as points of view..I really don't know why rounds can't be scored as even..somehow ,whenever they are close and can go ether way..judges tend do give them to one side or another..if they are so close why not score them 10 - 10 ?..in my opinions this was a perfect example of a draw..it's not possible that even a judge gave bivol the edge..anyway and beterbiev also..being the man he is, should admit that his opponent deserved more than that..great analysis Mate ❤
I can accept everyone's opinions. Both men fought with heart and earned their renown from fans. Both men were very classy after the fight, but its clear from the post fight conferences and the interviews in the ring after the fight, artur and bivil both felt that Bivol had the better performance and it was noticeable that Artur acknowledged that Bivol, truly earned the victory. Bivol is total fine with the result because you see that he knows deep down, he did his job last night...ULTIMATELY, any fan who has not been in the ring, truly is not qualified to disect the performance. Comment all day, but until you have been in there, you can't truly understand the details that a close fight reveal, Bivol lost MAX 3 rounds, he controlled the entire fight and artur could not execute his strategy at all, and he was outpointed by a wide margin. These fighters are all such incredible athletes and men of such strong character. Everyone should box, this sport is a metaphor for life!
7-5 Beterbiev, I watched it a 2nd time, and still see the same decision. Bivol did well at the beginnining, but Beterbiev came on really strong at the end. It was a interesting fight, with contrasting styles!
I personally thought Bivol did enough to win but very close fight between two elite fighters! Wardley KO was mad, Fabio's power combined with them Fly pro fight gloves are lethal😂😂
Bivol did a stinker. I don't know how fans can defend him. He had his hands up all night and was scared to engage. You cannot say a burst of 5-6 seconds combination is enough work to win a 3 minute round. Use your head guys. Shame on Bivol. He's in his prime and fighting a 40 year old man who's way past his best and still was scared to death to open up and go for it. He knew the second he does that Beterbiev would hurt him and get him out of there.
People baffle me honestly😂 Want fighters to completely change their style to suit what you want to watch. He done better against Beterbiev than anyone has previously, yet needs to change his style😂
Whole thing stinks to me , A.i judging is the way forward last time I checked points where scored by hitting head and body not gloves , we all know why they gave to to beterbiev and it has nothing to do with boxing
I didn't attempt to score the fight but felt Bivol had done just enough. I had no complaints about Beterbiev being awarded it. It could have gone either way. I didn't think it was as wide as 4 rounds. It seemed the judge with the 116 - 112 scorecard was the only one to give round 4 to Beterbiev. Had he gone with Bivol for that round, you'd have been looking at another 115 - 113 in Beterbiev's favour and I don't think many would be calling robbery then. It was a high quality fight. I hope they go again. Opetaia was superb last night. No-one is going to live with him at cruiserweight. I'm not sure where his big fights are. Could he follow Usyk and move up to heavyweight in the next few years?
Been looking forward to your thoughts on this. It was a belter of a fight. My initial reaction was that it was a draw, but I thought Bivol did the better work throughout and probably nicked it if the judges took notice of the crowd reaction. Same as you. Even with the expectation that Bivol would get it when I heard 116-112 despite it being a bit wide either way. I’ve seen people give a lot of stupid reasons as to why it was a comfortable win for Artur - such as “clean shots only matter if they cause knockdowns” and “Bivol was running all night and took more damage - look at his face”. Both of which are bollocks and both show that you have to try harder to make a case for Beterbiev winning than Bivol winning. Don’t get it twisted though, I know you can find 7 rounds for Beterbiev, and this is not a robbery. It was genuinely close. I just preferred Bivol’s work. My view is Bivol outboxed Beterbiev and had his way with him at mid and close range when it was in the middle of the ring rather than at the ropes. He proved to me that he IS the better boxer of the two, and I’d favour him extremely heavily in a rematch which I doubt will happen. Even if it doesn’t, Bivol will put the belts together again when they scatter.
Objectively speaking, Beter was an unimpressive stalker and did nothing to win the fight. Bivol, on the other hand, executed a crisp and clean game plan. And while on the back foot, Bivol remained "The Captain," controlling all, and I mean all - of the movement (and making Beter look like an amateur) within the ring. In the end - looking menacing and moving forward was enough to give Beter an undeserved win. It was a robbery. Plain and simple.
I think Bivol edged it, just. However, waiting the result I thought that Beterbiev’s aggression may catch the judges eye. Has to come down to interpretation as respected voices in the sport disagree. Although Bivols movement was great, unlike other fights it somehow gave the impression that he was being forced to fight like this. I wonder if beterbiev’s physicality and aura added to this. Unfair on Bivol in my opinion. I’m sorry I expect more from the judges, as an over emphasis on aggression will erode the skills of the sport.
I had Bivol 116-113, I had the 8th as the 10-10 because Bivol in my eyes was doing good work but was far too inactive to win in my opinion but I personally didn't give Beterbiev a round till the 6th and he Clearly won 10 & 11 and stole 12 for me so in the end I had 7-4-1 for bivol in rounds, I think Bivol won 7 because ultimately he stunned Artur a few moments before getting rocked himself and like you said Jamie, he had dominated the round prior to that but I'm not mad if anyone had it a draw but I don't particularly like a beterbiev win especially not 116-112 but that's just me. The other fights, Wardley vs Clarke was one of the more terrifying endings in recent memory, hope Fraze is ok, Opetaia vs Massey was another one I got right like Tsutsumi vs Inoue, I had Opetaia in a mid-late stoppage and it was a relatively impressive performance considering the sturdiness of Massey, Eubank vs Szeremeta was a relatively easy fight for Jr, he perhaps could've ended it a few rounds earlier but decent win nonetheless, I missed Nicholson vs Chapman as I was making dinner and from the sounds of it I missed nothing and Whittaker vs Cameron was just a means to an end in my mind for what I already thought about Whittaker, amazing amateur, underwhelming pro, I saw a number of flaws in fights previous to this like against willings, I genuinely think Whittaker was having a tough time at area level so it only made sense to me he would struggle at domestic and to me there's nothing wrong with not being able to fulfil expectation, sure it would nice to see him go far as with anyone but not always a guarantee from the olympics and I am in the camp of people that thinks he quit but hopefully he can prove me wrong. sorry for the essay guys 😂
8-4 Beterbiev. Id give Bivol rounds 1,2,3 & 9. Some of the rounds Beterbiev won were close but he always landed the more damaging ahots and dictacted the direction and pace of the fight with his effecrive aggression.
@PunchPerfectBoxing Those punch stats were bull shit. Along with 90% of the commentaries and promotions riding Bivol. A lot of those "Glove shots" that Beterbiev was throwing actually landed and most of them weren't included in landed. Ask Bivol if they landed, if they weren't why else was he constantly on the retreat?
@@adamyeejy-sk9fh Because he’s a back foot fighter and why would you not box Beterbiev on the back-foot? 😂😂 Listen to what you are saying. Should he have just done a Joe Smith Jr and run at Beterbiev and got knocked out in a few rounds?
@PunchPerfectBoxing Bivol tried to plant his feet in bursts and was met with powerful punches. Bivol might be a counterpuncher and outside fighter but he was forced back all night my friend. Beterbiev was the boss in that right. Bivol beter hope it's not an 18ft ring in the rematch or he's absolutely fucked.
@@adamyeejy-sk9fh I highly doubt they’ll make the ring even smaller for a rematch😂 If everyone just stands there with Beterbiev, no one is going to beat him. And then what’s the point? Bivol gave him his best fight last night and was a round away from a draw on the official cards. No need to stop running or whatever you call it.
This was only robbery if you observe boxing through mayweather boxing ! Everywhere else boxer who ask for a fight and putting pressure win if stats are so close, he was putting constant pressure on Bivol and Bivol didn’t used to that and completely stop last three most important rounds, I love these mayweather fans experts
Was this fight a replay of Hagler/Leonard? That one went for finesse over aggression. This one went the other way. Signs of the times, in both cases, if you get my drift.
I would have been okay with a Beterbiev win, Bivol win and a draw. This was a fantastic fight of skill. I think that a draw would have been most appropriate in terms of the fight. If ever a draw was justifiable, it was this fight. Still, I would have been okay with a win for either fighter.
This fight is where Biv’s prime starts and the end of Bet’s career prime. Bet will make Biv have a pro boxing mentality fight to win every minute of the fight. No more points then CHILL amateur boxing tactic
Watched it 3 times now and all I can say is 116-112 is an insult to boxing and shows the professional judges are clueless , in the first 8 rounds anybody on gods green earth would agree Bivol won 6 of the first 8 so that’s a draw already guaranteed but he then lost the last 3 10,11,12 so that just leaves round 9 which I thought Bivol won clearly so on my card I had Bivol winning that fight by 1 round. I watched that fight with a group of my mates every single one of us have all boxed or done MMA or K1 for a minimum of 30 years so we know what we are talking about and we all backed Beterbiev not one of us thought we had a winner but Thank God for crooked judges. But this is Fighting we all watched ALDO getting robbed last week and this is now a weekly thing corrupt judges robbing fighters of deserved wins.
you seemed pretty adamant on twitter last night that the 8th was definitely Bivols round, even blaming my beer for my giving it to Beterbiev 😂😂 I'll let you off though 😘
@@PunchPerfectBoxing yes and when I said I scored the 8th to Beterbiev you replied "must have been good beer" 😂 I'm only playing tho, I have no doubt you know what you're looking at more than I do, probably my go to Channel these days
Gutted, had 1k on wardley KO and Bivol outright, it was no more than a draw, if you give it either fighter (as I did) you give it bivol, this is why football will always be my first sport, boxing just has too much subjectivity, be interesting if there were 5 judges..
I just think bivol won the first 3 rounds, and I had him winning either 3 or 4 more out of the other 9, I can see a draw, but 115-113, 116-112, beterbiev, that's unjust, it was close, but i don't see 8-4 beterbiev no matter what
Yeah, should have held his feet and slugged out with the hardest puncher in boxing like every other idiot that got knocked out. Should do his game-plan for the rematch, mate.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing When Bivol attacked all his previous opponents they went backwards. As soon as he tried it on a real boxer puncher like Beterbiev with his fairy punches he got punched back harder and crapped himself and went on the run. He was on the retreat most of the fight in survival mode. 😂🤣😂 LOST!!!!! clearly. He’s a 🤡
Ali made his name from it, the difference is the fatigue hitting 16/18 stone hw's to lead to stoppages or kos. The fact this is being debated means it should have been a draw?
115-113 Beterbiev all the way. Bivol slowed down and went into survival mode and let himself down.
Definitely the right decision!
7-5 for either man or a draw is fair. Anyone saying robbery is very wrong that was a back n forth fight between 2 elite P4P fighters💥
It can't be 7-5 for either man or draw ... honestly what are you talking about. 😂
@@4x4fronsc I’m talking about that I can see anyone saying either bivol won 7-5, beterbiev 7-5 or having it 6-6 a draw as fair assessments of the fight. Not rocket science.
I had it 7-5 Beterbiev. 6-6 draw is ok too. I cannot see a Bivol win. If Beterbiev sweeps 10/11/12 that means to get to a Bivol win you would need to have it 7-2 after 9. That just did not happen.
didnt even win the 10th in my opinion 7-5 bivol but it was super close
No way Beterbiev won rd 10. Bivol hit him like 2x with like 3-4 piece combos cleanly. Beterbiev then maybe got a hit off of Bivol. Beteriev is just a freakin tank.
A 50/50 fight on paper that actually turned out to be 50/50
I had it 7-5 Beterbiev last night live, watched it back 6-6. Very enjoyable main event.
Ben W needs to get a proper training team, come back and rematch Cameron
Wardley irons out a Wilder/Chisora that does great for profile - he mentioned jonny fisher but thats maybe to win british outright but then i’d like to see him in against a anderson/Ruiz - A named Yank as the U.S would love a fabio wardley.
All very enjoyable
I feel like some rounds you would score differently depending on what angle you’re watching from ring side. It was really like that.
The commentsry was so biased towards bivol
TNT were the other way
It really was!!
It was really the same as almost every other beterbiev fight except he just couldn’t get the finish. Bivols conditioning, defensive discipline and fast counters were enough for him to weather the storm. It’s not clear if/how much beterbiev’s knee was a factor. I think he needed 10% more aggression, 20-30 seconds earlier in the rounds and he probably drops bivol at some point and maybe stops him. Easier said than done at 39 w/ a knee injury though.
Also I just wanna say how refreshing it is to see a guy like beterbiev vs an elite mover like bivol. He actually knew how to cut off the ring and made bivol fight! It’s getting old seeing some of these fighters chase a guy around the ring for 12 then complain they ran. Teo vs Ortiz, Shakur vs DLS etc.
I’m Bivol fan had him winning but Artur made a fan out of me. This guy is versatile and ridiculously good. Not many power pressure maulers can go on the backfoot to spring trap counters and competitively jab with the best jabber in the business
7-5 Beterbiev for me. Bivol wasn’t doing himself any favours by fighting in short spurts in the second half of the fight.
The problem I have with a lot of people saying Bivol won because the punches didn’t land clean but even Bivol said his eye got busted cause Beterbiev kept punching his hand into his face Beterbiev also had Bivol hurt and on the back foot multiple times the same people that hate on Shakur are praising Bivol for doing the same thing
So we going to count every punch on the glove now? Nah
@@joebriggs5253 not every punch your acting like Beterbiev isn’t one of the most devastating punchers in boxing today just say your a casual Bivol himself admitted those punches hurt him
Shakur and Bivol are not the same.. dont even compare. Bivol was landing clean hard combos, then moving. If there's a definition of hit while not being hit, it's what Bivol did. If Shakur had fought someone on Beterbiev's level, he would have been mauled. You can't JUST run from Beterbiev, you have to fire something back so he's also cautious.
@JonathanVegaa he said he hit hard but bivol is honest. Beterbiev got humbled thinking it'd be easy. His whole team got humbled. Why didn't he just walk through bivol if the punches didn't hurt?
Biv needs to adjust his tactics to win the rematch. Judges are harsh towards fighters with the points then disengage amateur boxing tactic. You need to go for winning every minute in pro boxing. UNOFFICIAL rule of boxing the championship rounds are the most important rounds
Why is nobody calling for Whittaker vs beterbiev... Casuals
7 -5 Beterbiev people saying it was a robbery YDKSAB
Great fight I had beterbiev 115-114
the judges saw BB willing to pressing the fight throwing more shots & doing more damage that’s why BB won I can’t wait for the rematch 🔥🥊
Beterbiev won. He was the one forcing the fight. All Bivol was doing high gurad and running for dear life. The odd 5-6 seconds burst of Bivol doesn't make you win a 3 minute round.
And just walking forward without landing clean is not a very convincing win, even his team thought he needed a knockout and Artur himself said that he wasn't happy with his performance
Bivol moved his feet to get away from punches.
Boxing isn't necessarily about always standing still in front of your opponent. If moving you feet causes you to avoid punches you need to do what you have to do.
Bivol landed good shots and landed his jab also.
7-5 to Beterbiev, Bivol did very well but faded in the later rounds which he clearly lost.
I was never as high on Whittaker as the UK media so color me surprised when i felt he dominated the first 2 rounds with his jab alone, I literally said to myself "Damn, hes better than i thought" but over the course of the fight his composure slowly withered. On the bright side I wont be as harsh on his performance as i foresee others being since i wasnt too invested compared to the UK fans i see online in the comments, im actually fairly impressed he didnt completely capitulate.
I saw a chicken running all 12 rounds from a Eagle😂
I CAN´T AGREE WITH YOU MORE on the Bivol-Beterbiev assessment! GREAT ANALYSIS!
You are spot on bro! subscribed.
...Dmitry won the quality exchanges and blocked most shots.. Artur pressed the fight for the usual tko but was denied then had to win catch up rounds and hope. . .. Dmitry survived Arturs pressure and outboxed him clean .Beterviev team were shocked couldn't believe they got the win . It should of been a draw. But 112 to 116 score is just embarrassing
7-5 Beterbiev for me. 6-6 was also fine. I don’t like others saying it was a robbery. I backed Artur this time but would probably favor Bivol to make adjustments and win the rematch.
Great breakdown as always mate
Nice summary of the event
This fight was a highly technical chess match with clean punches. Biv’s flashy headshots and Bet’s venomous body strikes. Clean punching chess matches > brawls or Mexican shootouts
I thought Bivol put an amazing performance probably his best to date but still I had Beterbiev winning 7-5 rounds. I really feel like he edged it with those last 2 rounds even though Beterbiev did look a bit old and slow in this fight in my opinon.
This was a great but unsatisfying fight. This might have been different if it were a 15 rounder, knowing that we don’t do that anymore to prevent injuries.
8 to 4 Bivol! In the 10th rd. Beterbiev's corner told him must get a knockout! So they knew Bivol was up. Great work PUNCH PERFECT.
It’s psychological thing that most coaches use in order to get all out of their fighters. You haven’t watched boxing long enough
You never let your fighter put his guard down
@@wassaaa710 Not the case here! Beterbiev's crew NEVER HAD THIS ISSUE BEFORE. I'm 68 and a boxing historian. I've watched boxing hardcore since Carlos Ortiz was champ. You obviously can figure out how long that is.
@@drummersagainstitk obviously they didn’t have this issue before because 100% of the guys were on the ground. 7-5 Beterbiev and even ray Charles could see it
@@wassaaa710 The fight was 5 to 1 after 6rds BIVOL comfortably AHEAD. Everyone agreed with that. Beterbiev won every rd after the 6th? NO. The 116/112 JUDGE would've had to make the last 6rds all Beterbiev. That is what happened. Agree? Ray Charles was blind but could rationalize thoughts.
its a shame they both under Ben Davison cos Wardley and Itauma would be a banger imo
they both just at the door of the top heavyweights, I personally dont rate Johnny Fisher
I feel like bivol was landing the cleaner shots but Artur was pushing the pace and outworking him
Out working?? Oh man
115 - 113 Beterbiev I had it. I really thought the judges were gonna give it to Bivol so it was a nice surprise. Decision was spot on imo
I had Beterbiev edging it, personally. I think the right guy won a very close fight. The rest of the card was great also. Perfect breakdown as usual.
Its hard for me to not give it to the guy that was pushing the entire fight.
Then you would suck as a boxing referee. Blocked punches doesnt count, even if they are hurting the opponent.
@@jacoskouActually any punch that's hurting the opponent counts, Bivol's guard kept getting broken by Beterbiev's power.
@@jacoskou its judges that score points referee is irrelevant here
@@deanwheeldon1666 True
@@YouAintGotNoTegridyBoi Who says that? Never heard of it. Andre Ward, Carls Froch says blocked punches doesnt count? What is your source?
As someone expecting Massey to cause an upset or at least be a banana skin slip, I have got some egg on my face.
Jai made it look easy tonight, loved his jabs and ring control.
I might be slightly biased but I feel that out of all the other Cruiserweight champs, Chris Billiam Smith has the best chance against Jai though hes still obviouslya massive underdog
This win doesn’t feel like a victory for Bet nor his fanbase. We need an immediate rematch. Biv has no excuses and takes full responsibility for his performance. This is a good sign for a rematch. Biv realizes he must make a tactical adjustment: win every minute of the fight in pro boxing
Andy Lee said that Whittaker was the biggest prospect in boxing beforehand 😂😂 Goodness gracious
I think you have missed the point that most of Bivols work was very light touches so the word "effective" is important, Bivol was touching not punching with a lot of his work due to going backwards and he did no damage to Beterbiev who marks up very easily, was a close fight but I think the similarity of the 3 judges cards bar a few swing rounds gave the right aggregate result (None of them made Bivol the winner).....Rematch 100% but I think Bivol gets stopped next time as he really can't change things bar committing to more power which involves planting your feet, then he gets into a trade and he won't win that with Beterbiev. Whereas Beterbiev knows Bivols moves now so he already made the adjustments.
Light touches? How many times did Bivol sit down and plant his punches throughout the fight? He was constantly doing it barring the last three rounds.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing If that were the case and those shots landed then Beterbievs face would reflect that, Bivol was too quick to get on his bike as he was landing the shots not fully committed because he feared the return fire.
@Thetache Of course he’s going to get on his bike and fear the return… IT’S BETERBIEV! He’s not going to box a stupid fight. He held his feet and let his hands go plenty through 9 rounds. Just didn’t do it enough in the championship rounds to keep Beterbiev at bay.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing There is a big difference in fully committing to shots and without doing that Bivol gave Beterbiev no reason to worry about going forward, Beterbiev marks up very easily and after 12 rounds he had a rub mark on his forehead, so either Bivol was just touching or Beterbiev was blocking them, choose your poison, thats why all 3 judges did not see Bivol doing enough to win the rounds, best he got was a draw, from 1 of them. The fact that the words "did enough" came from many on the Bivol side shows he did not in fact do enough and did not leave it all out there. A close fight yes but a Bivol win No chance.
Teddy atlas said beterbiev, biggest bivol fan
Teddy Atlas always comes with weird views of a close fight. Andre Ward, Sergey Kovalev, 2 LHW legends had Bivol winning. Same as Carl Froch and Frank Warren. Even Turki said he thought Bivol won. And these guys are neutral.
For me… the fact that Beterbiev’s corner told him he needed a knockout to win in the 10th, and Beterbiev HIMSELF said “I think he has good skills, even better than mine… but tonight Allah chose me” tells the tale of the fight. Bivol should have been the victor.
The fact frank warren had Bivol winning tells you all you need to know.
The fact the saudis ran to AB's after the win, tells you all you need to know.
@@dingse3_that’s a bunch of baloney - I think people were easily swayed by the crappy commentary but need to rewatch it with an open mind. AB won clearly.
Arturs corner said that to make their fighter pick up the pace. It was equal after 10 rounds and AB took the last 2
@@Mrcric134 nuts, you likely a fan of the style no?
The only complaint I had about the event as a whole was that 116-112 scorecard. The fight was more of a draw or one round towards either guy. I was going for Beterbiev, but as a fan of the sport, that's my honest assessment.
All that being said l, if any fight needs a rematch, it's this.
copying my own comment word for word from Gmans video:
"Even though i had predicted Artur on points, I thought Bivol just edged it personally i had it scored 115-113, during the fight i felt he was losing the middle rounds but when he turnt it up again in the final 3, i realized he had just been conserving energy since he had won the 1st three rounds kinda similiar to what Loma and Usyk do, perhaps this is a sign that unless youre Usyk who can be convincingly dominant enough, its an easy startegy to not get the rub of the green but like the haney fight imma gonna go out on a limb and say it was too close to be called a robbery"
also Bivol was definetly more accurate imo so i scored 2 of the swing rounds to him
opinions are opinions..as well as points of view..I really don't know why rounds can't be scored as even..somehow ,whenever they are close and can go ether way..judges tend do give them to one side or another..if they are so close why not score them 10 - 10 ?..in my opinions this was a perfect example of a draw..it's not possible that even a judge gave bivol the edge..anyway and beterbiev also..being the man he is, should admit that his opponent deserved more than that..great analysis Mate ❤
I can accept everyone's opinions. Both men fought with heart and earned their renown from fans. Both men were very classy after the fight, but its clear from the post fight conferences and the interviews in the ring after the fight, artur and bivil both felt that Bivol had the better performance and it was noticeable that Artur acknowledged that Bivol, truly earned the victory. Bivol is total fine with the result because you see that he knows deep down, he did his job last night...ULTIMATELY, any fan who has not been in the ring, truly is not qualified to disect the performance. Comment all day, but until you have been in there, you can't truly understand the details that a close fight reveal, Bivol lost MAX 3 rounds, he controlled the entire fight and artur could not execute his strategy at all, and he was outpointed by a wide margin. These fighters are all such incredible athletes and men of such strong character. Everyone should box, this sport is a metaphor for life!
7-5 Beterbiev, I watched it a 2nd time, and still see the same decision. Bivol did well at the beginnining, but Beterbiev came on really strong at the end. It was a interesting fight, with contrasting styles!
How about Wardley vs Wallin?
Enough of a recognisable name in the U.K. as Wallin faced Fury and AJ.
Yeah I like that shout. Franklin or Wallin both fit the bill.
I honestly think beterbiev won atleats 8 rounds . Bivol has nothing left in the tank in championship rounds @@PunchPerfectBoxing
I personally thought Bivol did enough to win but very close fight between two elite fighters! Wardley KO was mad, Fabio's power combined with them Fly pro fight gloves are lethal😂😂
Bivol did a stinker. I don't know how fans can defend him. He had his hands up all night and was scared to engage. You cannot say a burst of 5-6 seconds combination is enough work to win a 3 minute round. Use your head guys. Shame on Bivol. He's in his prime and fighting a 40 year old man who's way past his best and still was scared to death to open up and go for it. He knew the second he does that Beterbiev would hurt him and get him out of there.
People baffle me honestly😂 Want fighters to completely change their style to suit what you want to watch. He done better against Beterbiev than anyone has previously, yet needs to change his style😂
He ran faster backwards then i can run forward ,beterbiev knee was definitely an issue but beterbiev definitely won @PunchPerfectBoxing
Whole thing stinks to me , A.i judging is the way forward last time I checked points where scored by hitting head and body not gloves , we all know why they gave to to beterbiev and it has nothing to do with boxing
I had Beterbiev winning it by 2 rounds, but many rounds were so close that a draw or win for Bivol I wouldn't have complained. Brilliant fight.
Exactly how I analysed it.
I didn't attempt to score the fight but felt Bivol had done just enough.
I had no complaints about Beterbiev being awarded it. It could have gone either way.
I didn't think it was as wide as 4 rounds. It seemed the judge with the 116 - 112 scorecard was the only one to give round 4 to Beterbiev. Had he gone with Bivol for that round, you'd have been looking at another 115 - 113 in Beterbiev's favour and I don't think many would be calling robbery then.
It was a high quality fight. I hope they go again.
Opetaia was superb last night. No-one is going to live with him at cruiserweight. I'm not sure where his big fights are. Could he follow Usyk and move up to heavyweight in the next few years?
I had it 115 - 113 Bivol. I watched it back and really struggle to see anything better for Beterbiev than a draw.
I myself was also dilusional like Eddie the hearn but then I heard John Scully of course the right man was victorious on the night!!
Been looking forward to your thoughts on this. It was a belter of a fight.
My initial reaction was that it was a draw, but I thought Bivol did the better work throughout and probably nicked it if the judges took notice of the crowd reaction. Same as you. Even with the expectation that Bivol would get it when I heard 116-112 despite it being a bit wide either way.
I’ve seen people give a lot of stupid reasons as to why it was a comfortable win for Artur - such as “clean shots only matter if they cause knockdowns” and “Bivol was running all night and took more damage - look at his face”. Both of which are bollocks and both show that you have to try harder to make a case for Beterbiev winning than Bivol winning.
Don’t get it twisted though, I know you can find 7 rounds for Beterbiev, and this is not a robbery. It was genuinely close. I just preferred Bivol’s work.
My view is Bivol outboxed Beterbiev and had his way with him at mid and close range when it was in the middle of the ring rather than at the ropes. He proved to me that he IS the better boxer of the two, and I’d favour him extremely heavily in a rematch which I doubt will happen. Even if it doesn’t, Bivol will put the belts together again when they scatter.
Quittaker or Sh1ttaker...maybe he should go the WWE route? That was a nice Wrestling takedown, he has talent and can fake it.
Close fight but not a robbery, the right man won
Objectively speaking, Beter was an unimpressive stalker and did nothing to win the fight. Bivol, on the other hand, executed a crisp and clean game plan. And while on the back foot, Bivol remained "The Captain," controlling all, and I mean all - of the movement (and making Beter look like an amateur) within the ring. In the end - looking menacing and moving forward was enough to give Beter an undeserved win. It was a robbery. Plain and simple.
I think Bivol edged it, just. However, waiting the result I thought that Beterbiev’s aggression may catch the judges eye. Has to come down to interpretation as respected voices in the sport disagree. Although Bivols movement was great, unlike other fights it somehow gave the impression that he was being forced to fight like this. I wonder if beterbiev’s physicality and aura added to this. Unfair on Bivol in my opinion. I’m sorry I expect more from the judges, as an over emphasis on aggression will erode the skills of the sport.
I had Bivol 116-113, I had the 8th as the 10-10 because Bivol in my eyes was doing good work but was far too inactive to win in my opinion but I personally didn't give Beterbiev a round till the 6th and he Clearly won 10 & 11 and stole 12 for me so in the end I had 7-4-1 for bivol in rounds, I think Bivol won 7 because ultimately he stunned Artur a few moments before getting rocked himself and like you said Jamie, he had dominated the round prior to that but I'm not mad if anyone had it a draw but I don't particularly like a beterbiev win especially not 116-112 but that's just me. The other fights, Wardley vs Clarke was one of the more terrifying endings in recent memory, hope Fraze is ok, Opetaia vs Massey was another one I got right like Tsutsumi vs Inoue, I had Opetaia in a mid-late stoppage and it was a relatively impressive performance considering the sturdiness of Massey, Eubank vs Szeremeta was a relatively easy fight for Jr, he perhaps could've ended it a few rounds earlier but decent win nonetheless, I missed Nicholson vs Chapman as I was making dinner and from the sounds of it I missed nothing and Whittaker vs Cameron was just a means to an end in my mind for what I already thought about Whittaker, amazing amateur, underwhelming pro, I saw a number of flaws in fights previous to this like against willings, I genuinely think Whittaker was having a tough time at area level so it only made sense to me he would struggle at domestic and to me there's nothing wrong with not being able to fulfil expectation, sure it would nice to see him go far as with anyone but not always a guarantee from the olympics and I am in the camp of people that thinks he quit but hopefully he can prove me wrong.
sorry for the essay guys 😂
Think more need to talk about Ben cracking under pressure also
Bivol fumbled the 10th round. He barely threw anything in the 1st 2 minutes. Winning the 10th round would have turned it into a draw
Not a robbery I agreed with 116-112 and many other do also, but you could also see it closer or even the other way, I favoured Beterbiev tbh
7-5 Beterbiev
Bivol blew it in the chamionship rounds
8-4 Beterbiev. Id give Bivol rounds 1,2,3 & 9. Some of the rounds Beterbiev won were close but he always landed the more damaging ahots and dictacted the direction and pace of the fight with his effecrive aggression.
Is effective aggression throwing 200 more punches and still being out-landed?
@PunchPerfectBoxing Those punch stats were bull shit. Along with 90% of the commentaries and promotions riding Bivol. A lot of those "Glove shots" that Beterbiev was throwing actually landed and most of them weren't included in landed. Ask Bivol if they landed, if they weren't why else was he constantly on the retreat?
@@adamyeejy-sk9fh Because he’s a back foot fighter and why would you not box Beterbiev on the back-foot? 😂😂 Listen to what you are saying. Should he have just done a Joe Smith Jr and run at Beterbiev and got knocked out in a few rounds?
@PunchPerfectBoxing Bivol tried to plant his feet in bursts and was met with powerful punches. Bivol might be a counterpuncher and outside fighter but he was forced back all night my friend. Beterbiev was the boss in that right. Bivol beter hope it's not an 18ft ring in the rematch or he's absolutely fucked.
@@adamyeejy-sk9fh I highly doubt they’ll make the ring even smaller for a rematch😂 If everyone just stands there with Beterbiev, no one is going to beat him. And then what’s the point? Bivol gave him his best fight last night and was a round away from a draw on the official cards. No need to stop running or whatever you call it.
This was only robbery if you observe boxing through mayweather boxing ! Everywhere else boxer who ask for a fight and putting pressure win if stats are so close, he was putting constant pressure on Bivol and Bivol didn’t used to that and completely stop last three most important rounds, I love these mayweather fans experts
Was this fight a replay of Hagler/Leonard? That one went for finesse over aggression. This one went the other way. Signs of the times, in both cases, if you get my drift.
Absolute shame on the judges. Bivol won no doubt.
This is not Robbery But Majority believe Bivol Won.
I would have been okay with a Beterbiev win, Bivol win and a draw. This was a fantastic fight of skill. I think that a draw would have been most appropriate in terms of the fight. If ever a draw was justifiable, it was this fight. Still, I would have been okay with a win for either fighter.
I will say that the one outlier 116-112 scorecard was just perplexing.
This fight is where Biv’s prime starts and the end of Bet’s career prime. Bet will make Biv have a pro boxing mentality fight to win every minute of the fight. No more points then CHILL amateur boxing tactic
I had it 6-6 but could be a 7-5 either way I can't see a 8-4 for either fighter that judge was bugging
I wanted Beterbiev to win but imo he fell just a little too short, a draw would be ok. 2-3 years ago he would have got it done.
Watched it 3 times now and all I can say is 116-112 is an insult to boxing and shows the professional judges are clueless , in the first 8 rounds anybody on gods green earth would agree Bivol won 6 of the first 8 so that’s a draw already guaranteed but he then lost the last 3 10,11,12 so that just leaves round 9 which I thought Bivol won clearly so on my card I had Bivol winning that fight by 1 round.
I watched that fight with a group of my mates every single one of us have all boxed or done MMA or K1 for a minimum of 30 years so we know what we are talking about and we all backed Beterbiev not one of us thought we had a winner but Thank God for crooked judges.
But this is Fighting we all watched ALDO getting robbed last week and this is now a weekly thing corrupt judges robbing fighters of deserved wins.
you seemed pretty adamant on twitter last night that the 8th was definitely Bivols round, even blaming my beer for my giving it to Beterbiev 😂😂 I'll let you off though 😘
You mentioned the beer, Dave!
@@PunchPerfectBoxing yes and when I said I scored the 8th to Beterbiev you replied "must have been good beer" 😂 I'm only playing tho, I have no doubt you know what you're looking at more than I do, probably my go to Channel these days
Gutted, had 1k on wardley KO and Bivol outright, it was no more than a draw, if you give it either fighter (as I did) you give it bivol, this is why football will always be my first sport, boxing just has too much subjectivity, be interesting if there were 5 judges..
I just think bivol won the first 3 rounds, and I had him winning either 3 or 4 more out of the other 9, I can see a draw, but 115-113, 116-112, beterbiev, that's unjust, it was close, but i don't see 8-4 beterbiev no matter what
Robbery!
I had It a draw or Bivol won 115-113 close fight not a robbery
Bet has max 4 fights left!
Bivol got outboxed out jabbed and was on the run as soon as he felt the power of Beterbiev. He LOST!!!!! clearly. 😂🤣😂
Yeah, should have held his feet and slugged out with the hardest puncher in boxing like every other idiot that got knocked out. Should do his game-plan for the rematch, mate.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing When Bivol attacked all his previous opponents they went backwards. As soon as he tried it on a real boxer puncher like Beterbiev with his fairy punches he got punched back harder and crapped himself and went on the run. He was on the retreat most of the fight in survival mode. 😂🤣😂 LOST!!!!! clearly. He’s a 🤡
@@anthonyharty1732 Ah, he’s a clown? Not a good win for Beterbiev then. Shouldn’t be celebrated at all then.
Wardley will be ready to beat Dubois in a year.
Be honest
No more hit but not get hit bs
I got it 114-114
Bivol 7-5
Ben quitakker
😂 Ben ‘The Wheelchair’ Whittaker
Bivol won!
You cant win on the back foot. But i agree its a draw
@@RoninsTravels777 Why not? If you are being more efficient, I honestly don’t understand why. Plenty of ATG made their name winning on the back-foot.
@@PunchPerfectBoxing OK. When has bivol run before. A fight this close comes down to. Who made who fight outside themselves
Ali made his name from it, the difference is the fatigue hitting 16/18 stone hw's to lead to stoppages or kos.
The fact this is being debated means it should have been a draw?