As an electrical engeneering master student, I only partially agree with Conor. Not only the pioneers in science are creative- ANY scientist SHOULD be creative as much as he can. The thing is that now, in the field of science, which is already developped, you should reach the "frontier of science" to apply your creativity: to reach the level of knowledge and competence, when you can actually start to contribute to the science itself and due to the human progress during the previous centuries it takes a lot of time. And on the way it seems sometimes that everything is already done and you need only to follow the guidelines - but actually in most of the cases it is very far from the truth. For instance, just to start understanding how basic transistor physics works you need to know Quantum Physics (in particular Quantum Electrodynamics)- for that you need the good base in General Physics (in Particular General Electricity and Optics, Waves and non-linear Optics, StatPhys etc etc etc), Mecanics, Field Theory, Mathématiques (Operators, Functional Analysis, Tensors and Tensor Computations, Complex functions, Statistics, Measure theory, Probability Theory etc etc etc), basic Chemistry (also very very important for electronics) and etc etc etc- So without that you can not even start to submerge into the field, I am not talking about all the other necessary skills and instruments needed to actually start developping something new (only software for modeling (with respective languages and bibliothèques) will make quite a list already). This example is a little harsh (too narrow field), but it is true for most of the scientific areas of research. With applied sciences (like ML, software engeneering, general engeneering (material sciences), robotics, Data analysis etc etc) the picture is a bit different, but very simular also, just with some specifics. So in other words, modern technical science in general has a pretty high barrier of entry to actually reach the point where creativeness starts to play the dominant role. PS: the funniest thing is that during 4 years you are told what to do and "punished" for doing it the "wrong" way, but then suddenly , when writing your thesis time comes you are expected to KNOW how to conduct research and to find a purpose for such a research along with creative ways to conduct it, which litteraly nobody during these 4 years of Bachelor has explained to you. As the result you end up in kind of an informational vacuum or even worse - in informational chaos of research papers with a lot of noise which you have to filter out. Sometimes your mentor-professor (if the student is lucky) can guide you in this ocean of unclear and unknown research of the scientific frontier, but in most cases they don't and a student is completely lost. As a result he loses too much of the precious time to figure the things out, so it rests too little time to actually do something meaningful or reach an acceptable result in the field. PPS: sorry for the occasional errors and wierd phrases' structures- english is not my native language
That's why people like Michael Reeves or William Osman make engineering look cool, they do things that normal engineers have not reason to do. It looks good on camera, but researching methods to shrink CPU or a better electric battery doesn't sound sexy for most people.
As a recent engineer grad, I relate to Connor a lot on how they stifle creativity. I can think of maybe 2-3 projects where we were allowed to try to come up with our own solutions. Even those projects had a lot of prerequisite requirements that limited the options we could look at a lot. Not sure if it’s because I did Civil and the lack of options in the field. Working in the field has showed that creativity is still important due to each case being different and having different needs, different client, different region etc.
1:34 this is true, if you did something creatively that people really loved or hated, it will be better than neutral. You never want an okay reaction, because you will be forgotten later on. But if something caused a strong emotion, it will stick with you for a long time.
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme make it bad so people learn from it, make it good so everyone can enjoy it. But not having an okay response is not a good reaction.
Fanfiction is true artistry. These people write full fledged books for free out of their own free will in their spare time just because they have the passion, love and ideas for xyz piece of media/characters/story that they either want to explore more, rewrite, put characters or elements of the story into another setting or just even creating something else entirely from it and make these characters their own. a lot of the sht I have read (I'm talking about ao3 because that's where the good stuff is while wattpad is just so unserious and god awful 😭😭🥴) is better than some published books because they don't have to adhere to how books r formated, what's allowed or isn't allowed like literally anything goes. The writers don't have to cut out anything, some fics r even longer 400-500 paged book like that's insaneeee. the people writing fics are what keeps a lot of fandoms thriving as well.
Connor was so right about the creativity in engineer. That's how all of my classmates feel. We are all in 3rd year now and now we're all worrying about the future
As a network engineer, I 100% just get told to "do this exactly as we say" UNLESS it saves money. Getting new ideas to solve problems passed is like passing kidney stones.
Conner is just so relatable even with the teacher. I had a teacher who used to tell us the questions coming on the exam. Some of my teachers repeated questions that were on quizzes throughout the the semester and for the others, I did like grant and just learnt the way they set tests and learn how they behaved and taught and so u kinda can tell what's gonna be on the exam versus what's not gonna be on the exam
Connor is completely right about how I’m science, being artsy/creative can have a stigma (or at least used to). There was a weird feeling that we were “too serious” for that stuff, which is dumb, but it is what it is.
Uh actually MANY old artists we know today did commissions, advertised their art, made connections, etc. If they had social media back then, they would use it.
I don't agree with Connor about enginering, what he is describing is a job that can be repetitive, most engineers/scientist aren't at MIT, Harvard, Google, NASA or CERN researching. But even in a repetitive job you may need to be creative.
His point is dumb, in my opinion. By his logic, a school will ask their student to "be creative" so how? He wants them to build an engine without following science? He wants doctors to treat patients without evidence and proven guidelines? Even in art school, there are rules on color theory, composition, and the rule that to make a painting, you put paint on a surface
@@itsgonnabeanaurfrommeAlso add to the fact that they have lives on the line when it comes to infrastructure so creativity for creativity sake is pure detriment if you don’t have the basics down.
7:50 the average anyone does that, though. I don't know where tf he's pulling this info from. Most people in science jobs that require creativity are creative. But also follow protocol because it's proven to work. Otherwise, that's like repairing a nuclear reactor with masking tape. Creative, but dumb.
As an engineering student, I think that engineers are highly creative, I think that the ability to visualize a solution that doesn't yet exist, and have the skills to make it a reality is deeply creative. Visualisation like that is an innate human skill, but its something that engineers are taught to cultivate. I'm currently working on a masters project in which me and a team of students must create an "innovative solution for a global challenge". Now, while I don't believe our design is a million dollar idea, the project has been some of the most rewarding and creative thinking and teamworking I've ever had to do. I think that using existing/proven solutions can be creative, if these proven solutions are used/combined in an innovative way. I can agree that a lot of engineering is very cut and dry, most of the questions asked in exams have a right answer, but I would argue that problem solving is just as creative as it is logical. I'm probably a bit biased tho so take this with a grain of salt
I’m in the United States, where the government has more control on alcohol than guns. Finally turning 21 this july and I can’t wait to be completely shitfaced (legally)😂
@@neociber24 I mean true, but they ARE the drunkest they've ever been on stream. At least according to them, and they were the ones doing the drinking lol
"My shaft was not very good" Should be a on a T-shirt with Connors face on it god damn
Connor being shitface drunk has to be an achievement 😭
As someone who regularly gets shitfaced, these guys seem hardly buzzed in this clip...
Should’ve seen his truck driving simulator stream he got absolutely PLASTERED
@@Dunker401that’s why we don’t drink and drive 😅😂
@@jvicf16na fr no where close 😂
As an electrical engeneering master student, I only partially agree with Conor.
Not only the pioneers in science are creative- ANY scientist SHOULD be creative as much as he can.
The thing is that now, in the field of science, which is already developped, you should reach the "frontier of science" to apply your creativity: to reach the level of knowledge and competence, when you can actually start to contribute to the science itself and due to the human progress during the previous centuries it takes a lot of time.
And on the way it seems sometimes that everything is already done and you need only to follow the guidelines - but actually in most of the cases it is very far from the truth.
For instance, just to start understanding how basic transistor physics works you need to know Quantum Physics (in particular Quantum Electrodynamics)- for that you need the good base in General Physics (in Particular General Electricity and Optics, Waves and non-linear Optics, StatPhys etc etc etc), Mecanics, Field Theory, Mathématiques (Operators, Functional Analysis, Tensors and Tensor Computations, Complex functions, Statistics, Measure theory, Probability Theory etc etc etc), basic Chemistry (also very very important for electronics) and etc etc etc- So without that you can not even start to submerge into the field, I am not talking about all the other necessary skills and instruments needed to actually start developping something new (only software for modeling (with respective languages and bibliothèques) will make quite a list already).
This example is a little harsh (too narrow field), but it is true for most of the scientific areas of research. With applied sciences (like ML, software engeneering, general engeneering (material sciences), robotics, Data analysis etc etc) the picture is a bit different, but very simular also, just with some specifics.
So in other words, modern technical science in general has a pretty high barrier of entry to actually reach the point where creativeness starts to play the dominant role.
PS: the funniest thing is that during 4 years you are told what to do and "punished" for doing it the "wrong" way, but then suddenly , when writing your thesis time comes you are expected to KNOW how to conduct research and to find a purpose for such a research along with creative ways to conduct it, which litteraly nobody during these 4 years of Bachelor has explained to you. As the result you end up in kind of an informational vacuum or even worse - in informational chaos of research papers with a lot of noise which you have to filter out. Sometimes your mentor-professor (if the student is lucky) can guide you in this ocean of unclear and unknown research of the scientific frontier, but in most cases they don't and a student is completely lost. As a result he loses too much of the precious time to figure the things out, so it rests too little time to actually do something meaningful or reach an acceptable result in the field.
PPS: sorry for the occasional errors and wierd phrases' structures- english is not my native language
That's why people like Michael Reeves or William Osman make engineering look cool, they do things that normal engineers have not reason to do.
It looks good on camera, but researching methods to shrink CPU or a better electric battery doesn't sound sexy for most people.
lmao you guys post the best and weirdest content
Drunk guys and deep philosophical discussions. Name a more iconic duo.
As a recent engineer grad, I relate to Connor a lot on how they stifle creativity. I can think of maybe 2-3 projects where we were allowed to try to come up with our own solutions. Even those projects had a lot of prerequisite requirements that limited the options we could look at a lot. Not sure if it’s because I did Civil and the lack of options in the field. Working in the field has showed that creativity is still important due to each case being different and having different needs, different client, different region etc.
1:34 this is true, if you did something creatively that people really loved or hated, it will be better than neutral. You never want an okay reaction, because you will be forgotten later on. But if something caused a strong emotion, it will stick with you for a long time.
So you're saying it was good M Night Shyamalan made the last airbender movie than to not do anything so someone else could have made it?
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme make it bad so people learn from it, make it good so everyone can enjoy it. But not having an okay response is not a good reaction.
3:59 which is why fanfiction is true artistry 🤔
Fanfiction is true artistry. These people write full fledged books for free out of their own free will in their spare time just because they have the passion, love and ideas for xyz piece of media/characters/story that they either want to explore more, rewrite, put characters or elements of the story into another setting or just even creating something else entirely from it and make these characters their own.
a lot of the sht I have read (I'm talking about ao3 because that's where the good stuff is while wattpad is just so unserious and god awful 😭😭🥴) is better than some published books because they don't have to adhere to how books r formated, what's allowed or isn't allowed like literally anything goes.
The writers don't have to cut out anything, some fics r even longer 400-500 paged book like that's insaneeee. the people writing fics are what keeps a lot of fandoms thriving as well.
Connor was so right about the creativity in engineer. That's how all of my classmates feel. We are all in 3rd year now and now we're all worrying about the future
As a network engineer, I 100% just get told to "do this exactly as we say" UNLESS it saves money. Getting new ideas to solve problems passed is like passing kidney stones.
still cant beat the wine episode where Connor couldnt recognise wine he just tasted moment ago LOL
Conner is just so relatable even with the teacher. I had a teacher who used to tell us the questions coming on the exam. Some of my teachers repeated questions that were on quizzes throughout the the semester and for the others, I did like grant and just learnt the way they set tests and learn how they behaved and taught and so u kinda can tell what's gonna be on the exam versus what's not gonna be on the exam
Connor is completely right about how I’m science, being artsy/creative can have a stigma (or at least used to). There was a weird feeling that we were “too serious” for that stuff, which is dumb, but it is what it is.
They're not drunk enough unless they are vomiting on the set.
they keep saying "creativity" when they're all anime reviewers
Maybe you don’t think creativity matters there, but if you’ve ever read an uncreative review you’d know it’s important.
Uh actually MANY old artists we know today did commissions, advertised their art, made connections, etc. If they had social media back then, they would use it.
STEMcels vs ARTSchads
Joey as an aussie has a honourary engineering degree, everything here breaks constantly. Cost too much to get professionals to fix so you learn quick
It's the artist that inspired YORUSHIKA 🎉
I don't agree with Connor about enginering, what he is describing is a job that can be repetitive, most engineers/scientist aren't at MIT, Harvard, Google, NASA or CERN researching.
But even in a repetitive job you may need to be creative.
His point is dumb, in my opinion. By his logic, a school will ask their student to "be creative" so how? He wants them to build an engine without following science? He wants doctors to treat patients without evidence and proven guidelines?
Even in art school, there are rules on color theory, composition, and the rule that to make a painting, you put paint on a surface
@@itsgonnabeanaurfrommeAlso add to the fact that they have lives on the line when it comes to infrastructure so creativity for creativity sake is pure detriment if you don’t have the basics down.
7:50 the average anyone does that, though. I don't know where tf he's pulling this info from. Most people in science jobs that require creativity are creative. But also follow protocol because it's proven to work. Otherwise, that's like repairing a nuclear reactor with masking tape. Creative, but dumb.
u expect to never get creative projects in a classroom environment. otherwise it's hard to evaluate
Left after joey said pads me the third one. Shitty click bait at best. Out of touch millionaires much more probable
As an engineering student, I think that engineers are highly creative, I think that the ability to visualize a solution that doesn't yet exist, and have the skills to make it a reality is deeply creative. Visualisation like that is an innate human skill, but its something that engineers are taught to cultivate. I'm currently working on a masters project in which me and a team of students must create an "innovative solution for a global challenge". Now, while I don't believe our design is a million dollar idea, the project has been some of the most rewarding and creative thinking and teamworking I've ever had to do.
I think that using existing/proven solutions can be creative, if these proven solutions are used/combined in an innovative way.
I can agree that a lot of engineering is very cut and dry, most of the questions asked in exams have a right answer, but I would argue that problem solving is just as creative as it is logical. I'm probably a bit biased tho so take this with a grain of salt
I’m in the United States, where the government has more control on alcohol than guns. Finally turning 21 this july and I can’t wait to be completely shitfaced (legally)😂
this clip is mistitled and sucks
Care to elaborate?
@@mattiekarwin3667 Maybe the title does not represent that they are talking about engineering
@@neociber24 I mean true, but they ARE the drunkest they've ever been on stream. At least according to them, and they were the ones doing the drinking lol
not really mistitled but i do agree that its a bit confusing since the titles usually relate to what they are talking about.