Wish you had discussed the role of religion in the Southern woman’s life as well - it’s oftentimes the foundation of her dedication to community and charity. Whether good or bad, the influence of religion on the South cannot be ignored. One of my old English teachers used to say he loved Southern literature because it was a place “haunted by God”.
@meg arbo, Agreed Hollywood ignores religion mostly unless it’s a throwaway line or critique. Melanie from Gone With the Wind is the only really religious Southern Woman I can think of (and overshadowed by Scarlett). So it wasn’t really nessecarily to discuss as a part of the trope.
I would love to see the “hooker with a heart of gold” trope. She’s always beautiful despite her job. If she has a kid, it’s always a son and of course she’s someone’s love interest
Scarlett straight up married her sisters boyfriend to get her hands on his business and make bank turning it into a lumber mill... And she did not give a FUCK. Scarlett is such a good character. Not a good person, but a good character.
People really conflate the two things very often. On multiple occasions I have said that I really liked a character and people said I was a terrible person because that character is the antagonist or has some questionable morals; I'm not saying I would be their best friend, just that they're compelling and dynamic and make the story better! Best two recent examples of this are Queen Cersei from GoT and Abby from TLOU Part II.
Scarlett was very selfish, but at the same time I couldn't help but fall in love with her character. She is very strong even though she went through so much. At some points she seriously sucked, but I admire how she was determined to never go hungry again because she didn't want to go through all that suffering again. Her stealing her sister's boyfriend was shitty, but at the same time, the guy could have just gone to the sister and asked the truth. OR, the sister could have gone to him to get his help. No one did that so Scarlett wasn't entirely at fault, since she was doing everything she could to keep her family's land. Can't help but respect her in some ways.
@@vincegonzalez2171 I seriously don't get this. Many usually love the main character, even if they suck, since the main character can do no wrong, of course(which makes no sense but I guess some don't like to think about what they see). They see the antagonist and just hate them, no matter how great of a character they are, even if their reasons make sense and they are well written. For some it even makes sense as to why they hate the main character, and the reason behind it is so human and realistic, but God forbid anyone sympathises with them or likes them as a character. Many people just love siding with the protagonist, even if in some cases they are shitty compared to the antagonist. And, of course, many like hating the protagonist too. But in both cases, if it's a good character, then it's a good character, no matter what it is they do, and if they are well writter, then I will appreciate them no matter what people call me ;D
I loved that Golden Girl's Blanche was an hilarious send up of the Southern Belle, being more promiscuous than her stereotype is known for. She's likely also named after the protagonist in "A Streetcar Named Desire."
True, but then you have those Southern Evangelical Women (and men too), usually fundamentalist and fanatical Christians, who rant and rave how women were 'seduced' by feminism and should remain in the home and not be tough or spunky. There is a youtube of Evangelist southern sisters who are so anti-feminist and anti-anything women in power (among other things). They're basically Southern Serena Joys.
I can answer that one. I'm from Georgia. Born bred and raised. I am a redneck hillbilly. Not all Southern women flirt. I don't. I find it being disrespectful to yourself. What she meant by that was some Southern woman feel like they have to flirt to better themselves. No flirting is not part of the Southern heartage.
I’m a Southern girl, born and bred and I remember way back in the day when I graduated high school and took a Senior trip on a cruise to the Virgin Islands. I wasn’t all that well traveled at the time, so was completely taken aback by what people believed about us. My girlfriend and I met tons of people from all over the US and a lot of them were completely shocked that we didn’t live on farms. Granted, this was nearly 30 years ago, but one guy we talked to, a Bostonian, honestly believed that we didn’t have indoor plumbing. He 100% thought we all had outhouses. I don’t mind the “Steel Magnolia” type trope or stereotype because in my experience, it’s a pretty accurate depiction of us, but Hollywood has done the South a pretty big disservice by propagating myths. The incidents I mentioned were from 28 years ago, but I have had similar incidents all across the nation in my travels since then.
I think the 30s? They had one house originally and ended up building another layer on when it became too small (they had 13 children), but I know that they had indoor plumbing by the 80s when I was a kid.
@@barbara832001 Oh!!! I had a great-aunt by marriage that had a packed dirt floor in her house! It had started out as a cabin, sometime in the late 1800s and in the original cabin area, there was that hard packed dirt floor. If you have never seen that before, it’s probably not like you are picturing. It was extremely hard and didn’t make mud or anything if liquid got spilled on it. I never thought to ask how that was possible. The cabin had had an outhouse, but when they built the house around it, they added a bathroom. That was all done prior to my birth though.
Please do a video on Effeminate Men, or boys who like stereotypically "Girly" interests, like cooking, and how they may be emasculated or portrayed as "Weak."
I think that is an issue but i think the biggest issue with the portrayal of the effeminate male is that they always end up having to be gay and that's not true either.
I guess it's related to the Karen trope- but being from the South, there's a lot of racism that comes underneath the white Southern belle trope and how often the Southern belle is romanticized.
There is, it’s almost an accepted part of the culture. But as a black southern woman I know that not all whites are this way. Some of them hide their hatefulness behind religion but a lot are genuinely sweet as pie ❤God bless all the sweet ladies who have impacted my life.
Michelle Obama talked about how whenever she went on walks in DC as the First Lady, people would come up to her and pet her dogs without ever realizing who she was. Even as one of the most famous women in the world, she was invisible, overlooked, forgotten.
This makes me think of Sheldon’s mom from The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon because she is a strong, religious, matriarch in her southern household.
She was bad, but at the same time she was so well written. Her decisions made sense. I mean, her sisters did nothing, so of course Scarlett would have to take control over stuff. She was so young and suffered so much, it actually made sense as to why she was so determined to get rich and never have to worry about money ever again, even if it meant doing shitty things. But she was so stubborn and dumb at points. Sad that she was so blinded by what she thought was love, though. Would have loved to see her actual love go well. But honestly, her sister was also a bitch. A huge one.
@@cindyk7055 you think that because its from her pov. What would u do if u had a rich guy in the bag and then your own sister comes along and marrys him,and you're left with no suitors in a victorian world where u have no other option other than be an old maid,ne poor and have no fun going out. Thats why its written so great,you emphasize with a selfish arrogant woman you would hate if you actuslly knew her irl
@@MrBug-qp1zz my family always compares me to Scarlette, even though I'm English, but we have a very similar personality and I resonate with her a little too much. but Scarlette always has been my favorite character and I can sure as hell rationalize everything she does ahah.
This video really got me thinking about the Homemaker trope. The woman thats constantly underestimated and seen as less. This character has also undergone a radical change in the last few years. Do you think they might be worth looking into?
I'm originally from Louisiana but moved away as a kid so I let my accent go flat overtime but can still sound southern when I want and it throws people off lol. I love southern accents they sound like home to me.
Really?? I'm from Texas and I can't stand southern belle accents, lol. I think any non-American accent is better than ours. The grass is always greener on the other side, I guess
@@robchuk4136 I lived in Georgetown Texas and the 'southern belles' were everywhere and were often bitchy and clone like. I found them quite odd. And I didn't find it sexy at all.
That show is amazing. It was killed way too soon. Maybe it’s a good thing-all of it is great instead of going on for ages and turning into crap like so many other shows.
great video. as a southern girl from below the mason-dixie line i will agree we are varied indeed. but i want to get something straight. there is a difference between "southern girl" and "country girl" and you kind of mash those two together in this video. country girls are everywhere, southern girls are from a very specific geographical area of The South in the U.S.
Seriously, The Take, you make such great videos: not only are they fun to watch for general audiencies, they're even good tools for investigation. I've used some of the sources you mentioned for my research. Thank you, so much.
So y'all just...kinda glossed over the fact that Blanche in A Street Car Named Desire, while being unstable yes, was pushed over the edge by her brother in law constantly persecuting, abusing and literally raping her, huh? And that he's the one that committed her to the asylum? That entire play/movie is about the predation of men on women that depend on them to survive (as Blanche did her husband and tries to do with two other possible suitors). In the play, it's why Stella sadly returns to the house with Stanley, but in the updated movie, she leaves him. I mean, good video as usual, but that part about Blanche felt way too simplified to fit the theme.
Great video! As a southern girl (although Florida randomly isn't considered "Southern" to alot of people) this was great! We are a mixture of sweet and sour! We all have alot to be proud of as far as our heritage (and I mean being taught manners and respect and to love one another) and I say that with everyone in the south.
From Georgia, but also spent a large part of my childhood in Ohio. This video is dead on. I would ask you to do a video on the Midwestern woman trope, but the stereotype for midwestern girls is essentially the same as that of the Cool Girl.
There's a book series that's great called Rock Chicks and my favorite character is a southern belle named Daisy. The series is set in Denver but she's from... Texas (I think?) Any-who, she's the one who already went through hell and back that the rest of the women can't help but love and take into the fold because she's got this bubbling wisdom and a fierceness that comes out whenever the moment calls for it. She's always well put together, wears giant heels and resembles Dolly, and is loyal to a fault. Good stuff
Funny how two epitomes of a Southern Belle are characters whose actress was a British subject who was born in and practically raised in India and numerous boarding schools. None of which were located anywhere in the States.
Irrelevant, Margaret Mitchell was born in Georgia. GWTW Scarlett was a popular literary figure before Vivien Leigh ever laced up that corset. Also other actresses have played Scarlett. I believe GWTW has even made the rounds in South Korea. A member of SNSD played Scarlett. Scarlett’s characterization has more to do with Margaret Mitchell than the actresses who play her. Mitchell created her, after all.
Jesus Christ, the way the movie described her (not going out in the sunlight on dates to hide her wrinkles) I thought she was supposed to be in her mid-50s. Hearing Blanche was meant to be thirty is sad.
A woman was considered past her prime at a younger age back then than she is today. Probably partly because we live a little longer now, and we tend to get married later--partly due to marriage being considered more something to be entered into out of romantic love and less for financial reasons than it was in the past. I once heard it said that over the course of history, marriage has evolved from being the first step that one takes into adulthood, to being the last. Also, Blanche wasn't considered pitiful so much as a result of being thirty as for being thirty and unmarried--or never having gotten remarried after that one brief marriage when she was a teenager.
No she was in her late forties trying to pass herself off as being in her 30s..all if the women in Tennessee Williams plays was highly delusional..the man hated women an you can tell by the way he wrote them😁
I know I already commented this on a different video, but Wise Old Man trope would be a great video to do. Mr Miyagi, Dumbledore, Yoda, Uncle Iroh, Gandalf; all those guys.
Sooooo this is based on Southern white women, which is sad as a British black woman I lived up to southern Africa American and indigenous women as proper role models.
I was wondering when this will come. Maybe do the Small Town trope? Also on Say Yes to the Dress Atlanta there are a lot of pushover brides. Pushed around by siblings, parents, in laws, or even the groom
Yes to both of these Takes! ❣️ I've always wondered why, particularly in Hallmark movies, Small Towns are portrayed as charming and intimate. Most people from the big city eventually fall for a local, and settle down there, when in reality, there's a reason why they might have moved away in the first place.
@@trinaq Also that some small towns are so tight knit that they could be exclusive and Not open minded. Like there are people who talk about receiving bullying for their appearance order disability and someone would comment (like the victim or a relative) "it's a small town". Like for something that's supposed to be so sweet and welcoming...
It's part of the Emotional Labor section of Southern womanhood. Too many women I know -- Southern -- are the strong one to a mother with "the vapors" in whatever modern form they take or are flighty themselves leaving others to deal with the details. The pushovers have big weddings when they don't want them.
@@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 I also notice just how young and often naive some these brides come off and even if like their say established career women pushing 30 there is still that thing about being manipulated. I sometimes also wonder if these girls are marrying super young to get out from under their parents thumb. No shade
@@trinaq I even notice in these big city versus small town narratives it's always like focusing on affluent areas. Like the smalle towns always look like there not super far from the nearest Walmart or mall and the residents seem to have enough money to invest in their fancy Christmas decorations and parties (and look Hollywood ready). And the city people are usually depicted as coming from affluent Manhattan areas and not, like, an inner city. Also it seems like these narratives forget that there are big cities in the Midwest and the South and small towns and farms in the North and West Coast
@@Amayram21 Yes you're right. You don't have to be, but think of it this way: No one can understand the hardships that black people face due to racism better than the black people and similarly no one can understand the prejudice surrounding muslims better than the muslims. That is why I said it would be better for a muslim to explain this topic. It's not a question of whether or not they can portray the prejudice, it's about how well they can portray it.
@@shoaibakmal3151 well of course we would be able to do it better but this channel talks about social issues that don’t affect them like racism pretty well and maybe if they do their research and hear Muslims pov then it shouldn’t be a problem we just need to get the conversation going
As a Golden Girls fan, I was thrilled to see a little bit of Blanche Devereaux here. But I was hoping you could have discussed her more. :-) Or maybe do a separate video on the Golden Girls??
This sounds far-fetched to some but it's absolutely true. I grew up in the rural south and I knew an older lady who, upon getting married and becoming pregnant for the first time, had no idea why or how it happened and was quite alarmed by it initially. She told this story while bemoaning "how much kids today know about sex!"
Thank you for these, could you do a video on eastern european women tropes? I find we are either not represented at all or always stereotyped, even in this day it seems still acceptable to make cringy, outused stereotypes of easter europeans in american cinema.. even though statistically it's the largest european population residing in US i still can't seem to find any stories depicting or representing those experiences... Sadly very popular shows supposedly reinventing expectations of women and minorities on screen, like jane the virgin or new girl, have used very demeaning and aged considerations towards Russians and Czech people...
Thank y'all for adding the spoilers ahead label-- I know y'all had it somewhat before but I'm loving seeing it more frequently. (If you ever have time to add time stamps in the descriptions, I'd appreciate it.)
I'm only at minute 1:49 and even though this is the only representation I've seen so far, I am grateful y'all had a black woman included in the "Southern Woman" category. It's unfortunate how when it comes to black people being a part of anything we always have to be reminded of oppression, the worst parts of our existence, so I'm glad that we're acknowledged as part of southern culture because it doesn't all belong to the withe folks.
A few other Southern Woman trope characters worth mentioning is the cast of Hush, Hush Sweet Charolotte. Bette Davis, Olivia de Havilland, Agnes Moorehead and Mary Astor. I'm not sure which subgroup they would fall into...but they are definitely a standout in the Southern Woman trope.
Today on our collaborative Netflix Film Club series “Take Two," we're exploring the question of whether or not romantic comedies ruin us for love: ua-cam.com/video/0BVs-GgI-xA/v-deo.html Watch it now on the Netflix Film Club UA-cam channel!
Just a thought: does the fact that Leigh and the guy that plays Ashley, are both British and Clark Gable is passing (he is white, Black and Native American) change how we see these characters versus how they are in the far more racist book? Also does the fact that the actor playing Ashley barely hides his British accent change how audiences perceive him? Brits know instantly he’s British, but most Americans think it’s a “Southern Genteel” accent(not sure if one ever actually existed)
I mean the book is from the perspective of an extremely selfish character. She doesn't care about taking other women's beaus, even marrying her own sister's. It's a bit much for her to be conscious of the very righteous good that is emancipation. She just doesn't care about other people. I do love the book for what it is. I just don't understand how it's such huge necessity to make disclaimers about it not accounting for the horror that is slavery when that's not the story it's telling in the first place. She's horrible to everybody.
There most certainly is a “genteel” Southern Accent. It really does sound a bit like a “posh” British accent with soft, “drawling” vowels & long pauses after sentences. Regional accents are on the decline in today’s mass media climate, so it’s rare to find. However, my grandfather & all his side of the family had one.
A video about the romanticization of mental illness just made reference to the tortured artist trope and of course mentioned Van Gogh. This could be a great topic for your next tropes video! It would be important to note that it is now believed that Van Gogh was actually shot accidentally by some teenagers who used to amuse themselves by harassing him. He allegedly told them to run away and allowed his death to be perceived as a suicide to perpetuate an image that he had already cultivated of himself as a tortured mentally ill genius...
[southern accent] “Oh my stars, I'm just a little lady! My fragile constitution cannot handle the fearsome outdoors.” Gold star if you know who I’m quoting
PLEASEEEEE do a character/story analysis of each of the Golden Girls, and characters Stan & Miles, I think that would be so good and see how they can relate to people today with each of us finding our story.
I’m from Texas and I remember in middle school a new kid from New York transferred to my small hometown school and said he thought Texas was all horses cowboy hats and boots lol
I'm from Arkansas and, when visiting New York, kids would come up to my dad after hearing him talk and ask if he was a cowboy. It's funny what ideas people have about different places
I am all southern but I grew up in Atlanta not the country. I don't know anything about that life at all. I appreciate this video because I am not the typical southern either.
I'd love a Take on pageant girls in movies and tv! I've searched for years and I've never found one that actually represents scholarship pageants and it'd be so nice to hear about the stereotype :)
I was born and raised in the South! And then I met a real cute, sweet Yankee boy, when I was nearly 19, and went with him to the Northwest, and have been here for 21 years, next month! 😸 I love the Southern Woman trope though! It's always going to be one of my favorites! I've been lucky enough to know some women that seem like they fell out of Steel Magnolias, The Yaya Sisterhood, and Fried Green Tomatoes! Ugh! I've sat here, and made myself homesick! 🤪
Ok ladies, I am of the older generation (a true Belle never reveals her age.) and have been a true Southern Belle from birth. Let's just say I have earned my rightful title of "Miss Bettie" from those around me and my grandchildren know it. It is a birthright and a gift from God. I was raised in Old World Southern ways and I am grateful for it. I make NO APPOLOGIES FOR IT..on the contrary...I love it! I do not understand all your new jargon and words, but I do know this...A true-born Southerner is PROUD of being Southern in every way & Southern Belles are the cream of the crop and we know it. However, "Pretty Is as Pretty Does" requires personal work and dedication to what it is to be a real "Lady". WE are strong, independent, proud God-fearing women and we are very educated. My mother always taught me " Always leave them wondering if they have been kissed or whipped!" and I never forgot it. Some of the smartest women on the planet are Southern. I was married at 16 yrs old, continued into nursing school and worked in Critical Care for over 30 + years, and raised 3 sons! I am very proud of who I am and what I stand for. We are what "Southern Hospitality" still stands for. It is still a concept known all over the world. Great video generally.
Interesting that both Blanche & Scarlett are played by Vivian Leigh. Was she from the south?🤔 Where Whitley Wayne from A Different World? She was a total Southern Belle played hilariously by Jasmine Guy!
I love your videos. Could you please do a video on the redhead trope in media. Please include how it's sometimes use as a proxy for black people. Thank you.
Okie dokie smokie. This actually happens in towns all across America if not the entire world! Thx for vid!
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It's lovely, but i was a little disappointed to not see the most powerful southern woman on screen : Beth Dutton interpreted briliantly by Kelly Reilly. I mean she is a force of nature!
Wish you had discussed the role of religion in the Southern woman’s life as well - it’s oftentimes the foundation of her dedication to community and charity. Whether good or bad, the influence of religion on the South cannot be ignored. One of my old English teachers used to say he loved Southern literature because it was a place “haunted by God”.
A place “haunted by God”. That’s beautiful and not wrong. I love that. ❤️
It's hard to separate the GCB from the Southern Woman.
Interesting point. But there doesn't seem to be much of a focus on that in films. Maybe this is why they didn't mention it?
@meg arbo, Agreed Hollywood ignores religion mostly unless it’s a throwaway line or critique. Melanie from Gone With the Wind is the only really religious Southern Woman I can think of (and overshadowed by Scarlett). So it wasn’t really nessecarily to discuss as a part of the trope.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Scarlett's mother, too. "Prayers, girls," and going and doing charity work...
Great video can you do the Native American stereotype in movies and shows thank you 😊.
I have been patiently waiting for them to do a video about Indigenous women.
Yes, please, I'd love them to discuss this stereotype the most, with Pocahontas likely being a primary example of this! 🥰
Yessss pleaseee
That would be a great video!
Yes!
I would love to see the “hooker with a heart of gold” trope. She’s always beautiful despite her job. If she has a kid, it’s always a son and of course she’s someone’s love interest
It's cuz most hookers do have hearts of gold
u just described the movie "pretty woman"
This trope is not only seen in American films but also some international films, for example The Flowers of War
@@pyrokatarina minus the son
Last exit to Brooklyn as well.
Scarlett straight up married her sisters boyfriend to get her hands on his business and make bank turning it into a lumber mill... And she did not give a FUCK.
Scarlett is such a good character. Not a good person, but a good character.
I know what you mean, She was very well written. I absolutely loved the book because of how it was written.
People really conflate the two things very often. On multiple occasions I have said that I really liked a character and people said I was a terrible person because that character is the antagonist or has some questionable morals; I'm not saying I would be their best friend, just that they're compelling and dynamic and make the story better! Best two recent examples of this are Queen Cersei from GoT and Abby from TLOU Part II.
Gray characters are the most interesting
Scarlett was very selfish, but at the same time I couldn't help but fall in love with her character. She is very strong even though she went through so much. At some points she seriously sucked, but I admire how she was determined to never go hungry again because she didn't want to go through all that suffering again.
Her stealing her sister's boyfriend was shitty, but at the same time, the guy could have just gone to the sister and asked the truth. OR, the sister could have gone to him to get his help. No one did that so Scarlett wasn't entirely at fault, since she was doing everything she could to keep her family's land. Can't help but respect her in some ways.
@@vincegonzalez2171 I seriously don't get this. Many usually love the main character, even if they suck, since the main character can do no wrong, of course(which makes no sense but I guess some don't like to think about what they see).
They see the antagonist and just hate them, no matter how great of a character they are, even if their reasons make sense and they are well written. For some it even makes sense as to why they hate the main character, and the reason behind it is so human and realistic, but God forbid anyone sympathises with them or likes them as a character. Many people just love siding with the protagonist, even if in some cases they are shitty compared to the antagonist.
And, of course, many like hating the protagonist too. But in both cases, if it's a good character, then it's a good character, no matter what it is they do, and if they are well writter, then I will appreciate them no matter what people call me ;D
I loved that Golden Girl's Blanche was an hilarious send up of the Southern Belle, being more promiscuous than her stereotype is known for. She's likely also named after the protagonist in "A Streetcar Named Desire."
Me too.
Blanche Elizabeth Devereaux (B.E.D) My favorite Southern Belle 😍
Oh honey, promiscuity has always been part of the southern belle.
@@stephanie6676 Blanche Elizabeth-Marie Devereaux
"I don't know a weak Southern woman. My mom says if you want something done, then ask a Southern woman." Reese Witherspoon
I agree, Southern Women are tougher than they're given credit for, and can be proactive when the stakes call for it! 💖
True, but then you have those Southern Evangelical Women (and men too), usually fundamentalist and fanatical Christians, who rant and rave how women were 'seduced' by feminism and should remain in the home and not be tough or spunky. There is a youtube of Evangelist southern sisters who are so anti-feminist and anti-anything women in power (among other things).
They're basically Southern Serena Joys.
@@trinaq I agree
@@sammyvictors2603 Interesting.
My mama always told me that every good Southern woman has warmth, grit, and wit
Blanche: “I’m from The South! Flirting is part of my heritage 🥰”
Rose: “What do you mean, Blanche?”
Dorothy: “Her mother was a slut, too.”
yes!!! I was saying it along with the video too!
I can answer that one. I'm from Georgia. Born bred and raised. I am a redneck hillbilly. Not all Southern women flirt. I don't. I find it being disrespectful to yourself. What she meant by that was some Southern woman feel like they have to flirt to better themselves. No flirting is not part of the Southern heartage.
I’m a Southern girl, born and bred and I remember way back in the day when I graduated high school and took a Senior trip on a cruise to the Virgin Islands. I wasn’t all that well traveled at the time, so was completely taken aback by what people believed about us. My girlfriend and I met tons of people from all over the US and a lot of them were completely shocked that we didn’t live on farms. Granted, this was nearly 30 years ago, but one guy we talked to, a Bostonian, honestly believed that we didn’t have indoor plumbing. He 100% thought we all had outhouses. I don’t mind the “Steel Magnolia” type trope or stereotype because in my experience, it’s a pretty accurate depiction of us, but Hollywood has done the South a pretty big disservice by propagating myths. The incidents I mentioned were from 28 years ago, but I have had similar incidents all across the nation in my travels since then.
My mom remembers using an outhouse at her grandparents' house in the 60s, but they eventually added an indoor bathroom.
@@barbara832001 Wow!! Do you know when the house was built?
I think the 30s? They had one house originally and ended up building another layer on when it became too small (they had 13 children), but I know that they had indoor plumbing by the 80s when I was a kid.
@@barbara832001 Oh!!! I had a great-aunt by marriage that had a packed dirt floor in her house! It had started out as a cabin, sometime in the late 1800s and in the original cabin area, there was that hard packed dirt floor. If you have never seen that before, it’s probably not like you are picturing. It was extremely hard and didn’t make mud or anything if liquid got spilled on it. I never thought to ask how that was possible. The cabin had had an outhouse, but when they built the house around it, they added a bathroom. That was all done prior to my birth though.
@@13Wolfie13 Yeah, my grandparents have a packed dirt floor in one of their storage buildings.
Please do a video on Effeminate Men, or boys who like stereotypically "Girly" interests, like cooking, and how they may be emasculated or portrayed as "Weak."
I think that is an issue but i think the biggest issue with the portrayal of the effeminate male is that they always end up having to be gay and that's not true either.
@@charlespaape2258 this❤️💙
I would love that!
@@charlespaape2258 Yep! Sexual orientation and gender are 2 different things!
Like Schmidt!!
I love how two of the most iconic portrayals of southern belle are by the very english Vivien Leigh
I think southern culture wouldn’t be what it is without the role English culture has played in its development
I guess it's related to the Karen trope- but being from the South, there's a lot of racism that comes underneath the white Southern belle trope and how often the Southern belle is romanticized.
There is, it’s almost an accepted part of the culture. But as a black southern woman I know that not all whites are this way. Some of them hide their hatefulness behind religion but a lot are genuinely sweet as pie ❤God bless all the sweet ladies who have impacted my life.
Could you do a trope on Californian girls (I heard it was a trope anyway) and more western tropes? Thanks; love the channel!
HIII I'M SALLY FROM THE VALLEY
Gidget!
Ooh, yes, the "West Coast Girl"/"Valley Girl" trope!
Another trope Reese Witherspoon will walk on with high heels lmao
Do you mean like Pamela Anderson in Baywatch?
I'm disappointed in how the Take glossed over The Black Southern Woman
this! I was waiting on Whitley Gilbert the entire time...
Eve's Bayou!!!Hello!!!🤦🏾♂️
I immediately thought of Lauren London in ATL
Michelle Obama talked about how whenever she went on walks in DC as the First Lady, people would come up to her and pet her dogs without ever realizing who she was. Even as one of the most famous women in the world, she was invisible, overlooked, forgotten.
Who knows... Maybe we'll get a whole video dedicated to them.. as they should
This makes me think of Sheldon’s mom from The Big Bang Theory and Young Sheldon because she is a strong, religious, matriarch in her southern household.
"With courage you can live without a reputation"
It's kind of funny that those two most iconic Southern belle roles, Scarlett O'Hara and Blanche Dubois,were actually played by a Brit (Vivien Leigh).
and she played them so well aha. and Jezabelle is played by bette davis...a Yankee aha
Scarlett O’Hara is the absolute worst. But damn if she wasn’t an interesting protagonist. Loved the book 😍
I know! I hated her but I have to admire her perseverance. Rhett will always be my favorite character though.
@@bnt1491 I have an intense love/hate relationship with Rhett lol 😂
She was bad, but at the same time she was so well written. Her decisions made sense. I mean, her sisters did nothing, so of course Scarlett would have to take control over stuff. She was so young and suffered so much, it actually made sense as to why she was so determined to get rich and never have to worry about money ever again, even if it meant doing shitty things. But she was so stubborn and dumb at points. Sad that she was so blinded by what she thought was love, though. Would have loved to see her actual love go well.
But honestly, her sister was also a bitch. A huge one.
@@cindyk7055 you think that because its from her pov. What would u do if u had a rich guy in the bag and then your own sister comes along and marrys him,and you're left with no suitors in a victorian world where u have no other option other than be an old maid,ne poor and have no fun going out. Thats why its written so great,you emphasize with a selfish arrogant woman you would hate if you actuslly knew her irl
@@MrBug-qp1zz my family always compares me to Scarlette, even though I'm English, but we have a very similar personality and I resonate with her a little too much. but Scarlette always has been my favorite character and I can sure as hell rationalize everything she does ahah.
This video really got me thinking about the Homemaker trope. The woman thats constantly underestimated and seen as less. This character has also undergone a radical change in the last few years. Do you think they might be worth looking into?
That's a good one.
Absolutely!
i'm not american, so i don't even know anything about the south. i'm just here to hear the southern belle accent because it's so lovely.
Thank you🥰🍑
I'm originally from Louisiana but moved away as a kid so I let my accent go flat overtime but can still sound southern when I want and it throws people off lol. I love southern accents they sound like home to me.
Really?? I'm from Texas and I can't stand southern belle accents, lol. I think any non-American accent is better than ours. The grass is always greener on the other side, I guess
@@robchuk4136 I lived in Georgetown Texas and the 'southern belles' were everywhere and were often bitchy and clone like. I found them quite odd. And I didn't find it sexy at all.
I grew up in Ga and there's nothing lovely about the Southern/super country accents.
As Black Southern Woman myself from Florida, My mama from South Carolina had to click on this......
I’m yet again asking for The Take to finish the ATLA personalities series
Same!
THIS
“My name is earl” has always been criminally underrated
Yes! I used to love that show as a kid
100%
That show is amazing. It was killed way too soon. Maybe it’s a good thing-all of it is great instead of going on for ages and turning into crap like so many other shows.
@@Becky0494 but whe dont know who Earl Junior's father is
Loved that show
As a Louisiana woman, I definitely had to click this
They gotcha lol
Same 😂
What did you think?
Hello fellow Louisiananan 🌶
I went to college in Louisiana, and I miss it so much.
I'm sad that you guys didn't include the movie Fried Green Tomatoes in this lineup,it would have been a perfect addition to this piece.
Honestly makes me feel like they didn't do the best research. That movie is iconic down here.
@@faiaflrt I believe it 100%. Its one of my top 3 favorites
Absolutely! And they act like there are no different portrayal of Southern Belles. But in the book, Idgie and Ruth were lesbians.
I read "Slytherin women" and i'm a bit disappointed tbh
Me too, I was kind of looking forward to an analysis of powerful Slytherin women, but maybe they'll save that topic for another video! 🐍💚
THE TAKE PLEASE DO THIS. WE ARE HERE AND WE ARE AMAZING.
@@praycost2024 💚
They did a video on the study of Slytherin!
@@chelseajaramillo4432 yeah that was nice
I’m southern and from Louisiana. Everywhere I go (I left the south) people ask me what all I did “back on the farm.” I have never farmed in my life.
"Don't you say hey to me you ugly girl!!"
I. HOLLERED. 💀💀
me tooo!!! lol I want to be old and onery just say whatever is on my mind
great video. as a southern girl from below the mason-dixie line i will agree we are varied indeed. but i want to get something straight. there is a difference between "southern girl" and "country girl" and you kind of mash those two together in this video. country girls are everywhere, southern girls are from a very specific geographical area of The South in the U.S.
Seriously, The Take, you make such great videos: not only are they fun to watch for general audiencies, they're even good tools for investigation. I've used some of the sources you mentioned for my research. Thank you, so much.
So y'all just...kinda glossed over the fact that Blanche in A Street Car Named Desire, while being unstable yes, was pushed over the edge by her brother in law constantly persecuting, abusing and literally raping her, huh? And that he's the one that committed her to the asylum? That entire play/movie is about the predation of men on women that depend on them to survive (as Blanche did her husband and tries to do with two other possible suitors). In the play, it's why Stella sadly returns to the house with Stanley, but in the updated movie, she leaves him.
I mean, good video as usual, but that part about Blanche felt way too simplified to fit the theme.
I’m not sure how much there would be to this one, but the dead parent(s) trope?
Superheros
Harry Potter 😂
The total opposite of the evil stepmother: the perfect dead mother
Up!
Disney uses that as a formula I know that lol
Great video! As a southern girl (although Florida randomly isn't considered "Southern" to alot of people) this was great! We are a mixture of sweet and sour! We all have alot to be proud of as far as our heritage (and I mean being taught manners and respect and to love one another) and I say that with everyone in the south.
From Georgia, but also spent a large part of my childhood in Ohio. This video is dead on. I would ask you to do a video on the Midwestern woman trope, but the stereotype for midwestern girls is essentially the same as that of the Cool Girl.
There's a book series that's great called Rock Chicks and my favorite character is a southern belle named Daisy. The series is set in Denver but she's from... Texas (I think?) Any-who, she's the one who already went through hell and back that the rest of the women can't help but love and take into the fold because she's got this bubbling wisdom and a fierceness that comes out whenever the moment calls for it. She's always well put together, wears giant heels and resembles Dolly, and is loyal to a fault. Good stuff
Can u do one on the "California Girl"Trope ? We're not all blonde or rich like the Kardashians..!
Scarlett O’Hara, for all her racism and blindness, was a strong woman who refused to give up no matter what life and war threw at her.
I’m half way through and already thinking about the grit of that coach in Netflix Cheer. Just like these tropes and she’s a real life version
Pick any woman you know and you will find a stereotype out there
Any person*
Funny how two epitomes of a Southern Belle are characters whose actress was a British subject who was born in and practically raised in India and numerous boarding schools. None of which were located anywhere in the States.
Irrelevant, Margaret Mitchell was born in Georgia. GWTW Scarlett was a popular literary figure before Vivien Leigh ever laced up that corset. Also other actresses have played Scarlett. I believe GWTW has even made the rounds in South Korea. A member of SNSD played Scarlett. Scarlett’s characterization has more to do with Margaret Mitchell than the actresses who play her. Mitchell created her, after all.
Side note: Blanche Dubois was meant to be 30. 30! Ageing beauty, my arse...
Jesus Christ, the way the movie described her (not going out in the sunlight on dates to hide her wrinkles) I thought she was supposed to be in her mid-50s. Hearing Blanche was meant to be thirty is sad.
A woman was considered past her prime at a younger age back then than she is today. Probably partly because we live a little longer now, and we tend to get married later--partly due to marriage being considered more something to be entered into out of romantic love and less for financial reasons than it was in the past. I once heard it said that over the course of history, marriage has evolved from being the first step that one takes into adulthood, to being the last.
Also, Blanche wasn't considered pitiful so much as a result of being thirty as for being thirty and unmarried--or never having gotten remarried after that one brief marriage when she was a teenager.
Says who? I've never read that. Vivien Leigh was 38 in the film and they used make up to make her look older.
@@natalie651 I own a copy of the script of the play in book form. It says in the script that she was meant to be about thirty.
No she was in her late forties trying to pass herself off as being in her 30s..all if the women in Tennessee Williams plays was highly delusional..the man hated women an you can tell by the way he wrote them😁
I know I already commented this on a different video, but Wise Old Man trope would be a great video to do. Mr Miyagi, Dumbledore, Yoda, Uncle Iroh, Gandalf; all those guys.
Sooooo this is based on Southern white women, which is sad as a British black woman I lived up to southern Africa American and indigenous women as proper role models.
Soooo that is the troupe
It's unhealthy how fast I clicked
Me too, no matter the topic, I'll always tune into a "Take" video! 📹❣️
I was wondering when this will come.
Maybe do the Small Town trope?
Also on Say Yes to the Dress Atlanta there are a lot of pushover brides. Pushed around by siblings, parents, in laws, or even the groom
Yes to both of these Takes! ❣️ I've always wondered why, particularly in Hallmark movies, Small Towns are portrayed as charming and intimate. Most people from the big city eventually fall for a local, and settle down there, when in reality, there's a reason why they might have moved away in the first place.
@@trinaq Also that some small towns are so tight knit that they could be exclusive and Not open minded. Like there are people who talk about receiving bullying for their appearance order disability and someone would comment (like the victim or a relative) "it's a small town". Like for something that's supposed to be so sweet and welcoming...
It's part of the Emotional Labor section of Southern womanhood. Too many women I know -- Southern -- are the strong one to a mother with "the vapors" in whatever modern form they take or are flighty themselves leaving others to deal with the details. The pushovers have big weddings when they don't want them.
@@fabrisseterbrugghe8567 I also notice just how young and often naive some these brides come off and even if like their say established career women pushing 30 there is still that thing about being manipulated. I sometimes also wonder if these girls are marrying super young to get out from under their parents thumb. No shade
@@trinaq I even notice in these big city versus small town narratives it's always like focusing on affluent areas. Like the smalle towns always look like there not super far from the nearest Walmart or mall and the residents seem to have enough money to invest in their fancy Christmas decorations and parties (and look Hollywood ready). And the city people are usually depicted as coming from affluent Manhattan areas and not, like, an inner city. Also it seems like these narratives forget that there are big cities in the Midwest and the South and small towns and farms in the North and West Coast
I feel like one you guys really missed especially for women of color southern bell is Whitley from a different world
Yesssss!!!!
She was everything.
@@ddmari348 indeed
Glad you finally gave My Name Is Earl a shout out. Love that show.
Yesss Jaime Pressly is such a queen and underrated comedic actress 😍
Can you make the Muslim stereotypes video no one every talks about it
Edit: *ever
It would be a good video, but I think It should be made from the point of view of an actual muslim. Wouldn't you agree?
@@shoaibakmal3151 I don’t think you have to be Muslim to call out or see what’s wrong with the representation in the media
@@Amayram21 Yes you're right. You don't have to be, but think of it this way: No one can understand the hardships that black people face due to racism better than the black people and similarly no one can understand the prejudice surrounding muslims better than the muslims. That is why I said it would be better for a muslim to explain this topic. It's not a question of whether or not they can portray the prejudice, it's about how well they can portray it.
@@shoaibakmal3151 well of course we would be able to do it better but this channel talks about social issues that don’t affect them like racism pretty well and maybe if they do their research and hear Muslims pov then it shouldn’t be a problem we just need to get the conversation going
@@Amayram21 Yes. When you put it that way. I hope they do make one.
I lived in the Carolinas for 6 years, and the majority of southern girls I saw were basically VSCO girls (before that was even a term).
Can you elaborate what that means??
Can you make a video essay dissecting the older, sexy woman or rather the 'Mrs. Robinson's' trope?
I support this
Mrs Robinson or the cougar
As a sexy older woman, I second this.
yessss omg i love anne bncroft ahah
As a Golden Girls fan, I was thrilled to see a little bit of Blanche Devereaux here. But I was hoping you could have discussed her more. :-) Or maybe do a separate video on the Golden Girls??
There was nothing said about the Southern Woman's sexuality. She's supposed to be innocent, but her naivety can lead to pregnancy.
This sounds far-fetched to some but it's absolutely true.
I grew up in the rural south and I knew an older lady who, upon getting married and becoming pregnant for the first time, had no idea why or how it happened and was quite alarmed by it initially.
She told this story while bemoaning "how much kids today know about sex!"
"Being an attentive mother"
Shows Lori Grimes
✋🏽😃
Thank you for these, could you do a video on eastern european women tropes? I find we are either not represented at all or always stereotyped, even in this day it seems still acceptable to make cringy, outused stereotypes of easter europeans in american cinema.. even though statistically it's the largest european population residing in US i still can't seem to find any stories depicting or representing those experiences... Sadly very popular shows supposedly reinventing expectations of women and minorities on screen, like jane the virgin or new girl, have used very demeaning and aged considerations towards Russians and Czech people...
Recently watched steel magnolias and now this video is uploaded, I love it 😌
Thank y'all for adding the spoilers ahead label-- I know y'all had it somewhat before but I'm loving seeing it more frequently.
(If you ever have time to add time stamps in the descriptions, I'd appreciate it.)
I'm only at minute 1:49 and even though this is the only representation I've seen so far, I am grateful y'all had a black woman included in the "Southern Woman" category. It's unfortunate how when it comes to black people being a part of anything we always have to be reminded of oppression, the worst parts of our existence, so I'm glad that we're acknowledged as part of southern culture because it doesn't all belong to the withe folks.
This is a good essay but I wish it mentioned Whitley from A Different World who is one of the most iconic southern characters
A few other Southern Woman trope characters worth mentioning is the cast of Hush, Hush Sweet Charolotte. Bette Davis, Olivia de Havilland, Agnes Moorehead and Mary Astor. I'm not sure which subgroup they would fall into...but they are definitely a standout in the Southern Woman trope.
As a native South Carolinian, thank you for this video from the bottom of my heart.
As does this native South Carolinian
Blanche in ‘The Golden Girls’ was just Southern Charm at its funniest!
Oh, I loved Dumplin' so much. I'm glad you all highlighted it!
Today on our collaborative Netflix Film Club series “Take Two," we're exploring the question of whether or not romantic comedies ruin us for love: ua-cam.com/video/0BVs-GgI-xA/v-deo.html Watch it now on the Netflix Film Club UA-cam channel!
I'm so glad you included Tami Taylor from Friday night lights. It's such an underrated character from an equally underrated show.
" I shall require a window seat, because this flower is wilting."
-Bobby Hill
Just a thought: does the fact that Leigh and the guy that plays Ashley, are both British and Clark Gable is passing (he is white, Black and Native American) change how we see these characters versus how they are in the far more racist book? Also does the fact that the actor playing Ashley barely hides his British accent change how audiences perceive him? Brits know instantly he’s British, but most Americans think it’s a “Southern Genteel” accent(not sure if one ever actually existed)
I mean the book is from the perspective of an extremely selfish character. She doesn't care about taking other women's beaus, even marrying her own sister's. It's a bit much for her to be conscious of the very righteous good that is emancipation. She just doesn't care about other people. I do love the book for what it is. I just don't understand how it's such huge necessity to make disclaimers about it not accounting for the horror that is slavery when that's not the story it's telling in the first place. She's horrible to everybody.
There most certainly is a “genteel” Southern Accent. It really does sound a bit like a “posh” British accent with soft, “drawling” vowels & long pauses after sentences.
Regional accents are on the decline in today’s mass media climate, so it’s rare to find.
However, my grandfather & all his side of the family had one.
A video about the romanticization of mental illness just made reference to the tortured artist trope and of course mentioned Van Gogh.
This could be a great topic for your next tropes video!
It would be important to note that it is now believed that Van Gogh was actually shot accidentally by some teenagers who used to amuse themselves by harassing him.
He allegedly told them to run away and allowed his death to be perceived as a suicide to perpetuate an image that he had already cultivated of himself as a tortured mentally ill genius...
[southern accent] “Oh my stars, I'm just a little lady! My fragile constitution cannot handle the fearsome outdoors.”
Gold star if you know who I’m quoting
Leslie, parks and rec
Why you're quoting Annabelle Vandergraff of course! And y'all she just goes to pieces when the sun shines on her hair
Leslie Knope to Rob Swason
Great video, though I was suprised to not see any of the characters from Fried Green Tomatoes included in this.
TAWANDA FOREVER!!!
I love this video. It makes me wonder what the opposite of Southern/Country woman, more like the "City Girl". Maybe do a trope on the "City girl"
PLEASEEEEE do a character/story analysis of each of the Golden Girls, and characters Stan & Miles, I think that would be so good and see how they can relate to people today with each of us finding our story.
The southern girl has some qualities that are similar to northern Mexican girl
I’m interested in seeing any tropes about Latino men. Like the Latin lover trope or the Latino gangster stereotype. :)
can y’all do human that falls in love with the monster/supernatural creature trope? Thank you!
Lindsay Ellis made a fantastic video essay about that called "My monster boyfriend"
@@Wortmeldung thank u!
I hope you can do an analysis video on Scarlett O'Hara! She's such a interesting and compelling character, I'd love to hear our take on her!
I’m from Texas and I remember in middle school a new kid from New York transferred to my small hometown school and said he thought Texas was all horses cowboy hats and boots lol
I'm from Arkansas and, when visiting New York, kids would come up to my dad after hearing him talk and ask if he was a cowboy. It's funny what ideas people have about different places
Me, as a Texan: 👀
I feel like a southern belle with a little victorian era in me! I've always wanted to live in the 1800s mid-1900s. Don't underestimate a woman!
I’m surprised how y’all didn’t address how Whitley from a different world is a southern woman trope as well
Awesome video as always. Can you please do The Chosen One trope? Thank you! 😄
Great video guys can you please make a video on toxic takeaways in Fifty Shades of Grey and in The Big Bang Theory next please?
Look it up. It's on their channel
I am all southern but I grew up in Atlanta not the country. I don't know anything about that life at all. I appreciate this video because I am not the typical southern either.
The goth chick trope
They kind of covered that in the weird girl trope.
@@Antiope1969 And also Janis in the mean girl trope video. It wasn't only the Plastics who were mean girls but Janis the outsider as well.
@@lemsip207 yeah I didn't like janis.
Yay a take on my culture lol. Hella southern Mississippi girl!
I'd love a Take on pageant girls in movies and tv! I've searched for years and I've never found one that actually represents scholarship pageants and it'd be so nice to hear about the stereotype :)
can you do an in-depth explanation of the marilyn v.s jackie trope in movies and tv shows please.
My favorite type of woman. I'm a southern man myself . Louisville Ky.
I would love for you guys to analyze Desperate Housewives (the ABC TV series) 🏡, the women are amazing, flawed but wonderful 🍎🍎🍎🍎
Agreed. The series doesn’t get enough recognition.
@@BellesView true 😊
I was born and raised in the South! And then I met a real cute, sweet Yankee boy, when I was nearly 19, and went with him to the Northwest, and have been here for 21 years, next month! 😸 I love the Southern Woman trope though! It's always going to be one of my favorites! I've been lucky enough to know some women that seem like they fell out of Steel Magnolias, The Yaya Sisterhood, and Fried Green Tomatoes! Ugh! I've sat here, and made myself homesick! 🤪
A great video ! Can you do the middle eastern stereotype in movies ? ☺️
Ok ladies, I am of the older generation (a true Belle never reveals her age.) and have been a true Southern Belle from birth. Let's just say I have earned my rightful title of "Miss Bettie" from those around me and my grandchildren know it. It is a birthright and a gift from God. I was raised in Old World Southern ways and I am grateful for it. I make NO APPOLOGIES FOR IT..on the contrary...I love it! I do not understand all your new jargon and words, but I do know this...A true-born Southerner is PROUD of being Southern in every way & Southern Belles are the cream of the crop and we know it. However, "Pretty Is as Pretty Does" requires personal work and dedication to what it is to be a real "Lady". WE are strong, independent, proud God-fearing women and we are very educated. My mother always taught me " Always leave them wondering if they have been kissed or whipped!" and I never forgot it. Some of the smartest women on the planet are Southern. I was married at 16 yrs old, continued into nursing school and worked in Critical Care for over 30 + years, and raised 3 sons! I am very proud of who I am and what I stand for. We are what "Southern Hospitality" still stands for. It is still a concept known all over the world. Great video generally.
Interesting that both Blanche & Scarlett are played by Vivian Leigh. Was she from the south?🤔 Where Whitley Wayne from A Different World? She was a total Southern Belle played hilariously by Jasmine Guy!
She was a British actress
I'd love for the Take to look at the women of the show Claws because there's such richness to their characters.
YESSSSS!!!💅🏾
KATHY BATES WAS IN ‘THE OFFICE’? OMG DED.
I love your videos. Could you please do a video on the redhead trope in media. Please include how it's sometimes use as a proxy for black people. Thank you.
@@ellebean759 proxy- authority to represent someone else
@@Whatsinaname_ Where have you seen this?
Amazing topic!!!
Okie dokie smokie. This actually happens in towns all across America if not the entire world! Thx for vid!
It's lovely, but i was a little disappointed to not see the most powerful southern woman on screen : Beth Dutton interpreted briliantly by Kelly Reilly. I mean she is a force of nature!
Sharp Objects terrifies me to this day
I love it!!!!
I'm surprised there weren't more references to the Princess and the Frog and other southern belle's of color
This was probably the most balanced female perspective between progressive and conservative women I've seen them do