I'm the same, someone recommended it to me last year and I thought another reality show? Nah, sounds pretty naff but after some persuasion I decided to give it a go and that was it, I'm hooked and also think it's the best reality show ever.
I think my favourite bit of The Traitors was when people claimed to be body language experts or behavioural experts, to be able to spot a liar... and being completely wrong. It just shows how much of the body language "expertise" spread online is nonsense.
You're wrong. The point of body language isnt that people are able to accurately read body language 100% of the time. Its that body language can be used as indicators of deception, especially if indicators of deception are occuring in clusters or if it deviates from the person's usual body language. Its kinda funny how the beginning segment of this video is about deception and spreading misinformation, and here you are having fooled 87 people.
Body language is real, as someone with a hard time reading peoples emotional states, or "reading the room", it really does help me know what others are feeling on the inside, in case you were saying it's not real at all, but no, you are right, you can't use it to detect a lie like so many seem to falsely think, and those that claim to be able to are frauds, plain and simple, because it's not the ability to read someone's mind, but it is the ability to read someone's feelings, and lying is not a feeling. Like you can use body language to determine if someone is uncomfortable, like what an honest man or woman may feel when lying, and you can jump to the conclusion that they may be lying to point you in the direction to start finding proof and evidence, but there are many reasons to be uncomfortable, so to assume that one is lying instead of one of the many other reasons, means practically nothing and is honestly pretty manipulative if you use it as hard proof or even subpar evidence of anything, again because it means nothing other than how one feels in the moment.
They had a psychic in Australia who listed 4 people who she claimed to be the traitors. 2 of those were correct. This was on like day 2, with 20 potential traitors. Pretty impressive. Obviously she's not a real psychic, but good experts on body language have an advantage. Mark in the same season was a even bigger star, but of course they killed him off since he was too good.
I’m really interested to see how the players evolve as the series goes on. With each new season, they will learn new strategies and notice how people are playing the game. It’s going to be fascinating to watch.
You made a key point about the traitors' strategy near the end game. You need to eliminate a traitor to give comfort to the rest that they've "got them all". This is what Andrew failed to spot in series 2. He could have told Evie the shield strategy that Harry used to get her on his side. Jaz already suspected Harry so that would have been 3/5 against Harry.
@@vincenturquhart1370No, they don't. Sometimes the game started with 3 traitors, sometimes with 4, and sometimes with 2 and they recruited 1 on the 1st day. But no faithful knows that. Add to that that the traitors have sometimes an option to recruit someone during the game (usually when their numbers are too low vs the faithfuls).
@@Jonaelize Harry's plan to not tell anyone he got the shield, and make it look like the Traitors tried to banish him, when he actually recruited, was very clever. He'd won the game from that moment on. The rest of the episodes were just killing time before the end.
The hard part is when the betrayed traitor at the end of the game tries to give up your cover. Sometimes it works and with cirie and Harry, it didn’t work so they won. It takes great manipulation of the end game faithfuls by the traitor.
I only just discovered this show a few weeks ago and already finished watched every English speaking language version of the show. It's clear to say I'm totally obsessed. I thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown of the show
I've realised too that it's actually pointless trying to get a Traitor out during the early part of the game. You might as well just vote out the people who do badly in the Missions. This will give you time to build up a dossier of evidence on the people you suspect most. If you get a Traitor out too early, everyone might be celebrating, but the Host will just ask the remaining Traitors to recruit a new Traitor, so the Faithful will end up being no further forward!
@@gary.h.turnerwhich would still add suspicion unto YOU for coming up with that idea to begin with. And regardless as to whether or not you are a Traitor, coming up with that kind of idea is grounds for banishment. Bottom line: keep that idea to yourself to prevent you from getting voted off mate
Also, an important point to note as a Traitor: the Faithfuls will, most of the time, go with the first bit of evidence theyre presented with and the loudest theory involving it, so any plan that relies on them uncovering a clever “hidden” plan over accepting the easiest explanation probably won’t work how you want it to
It’s hard to pinpoint a definite strategy. I’ve watched 5 franchises and it really comes down to the games you are in. The New Zealand faithfuls were probably the most switched on, whilst the Australian season 2 were the worst I’ve watched. It’ll be interesting to watch the show develop. I just really really hope it doesn’t become too over produced. There a freshness to the traitors that I hope we don’t lose too soon.
I think most of these are great points but one I disagree with is being a traitor who leads the charge against another traitor. I think once people had seen the first seasons then it became obvious that traitors target other traitors. If you’ve been very passive at roundtables and then suddenly you take the lead and it just so happens to be a traitor, that will stick out to the smarter people in the room (it’s what happened in UK2 to Paul and it’s what should’ve happened to Harry). It also comes with the risk of them flipping it back onto you (as Miles nearly did to Paul). Also, people expect the most successful traitor hunters to be murdered, so that would turn heads. Conversely, you can’t suddenly flip on them, you have to find the balance of participating enough in the pileup against them to seem part of the group but not be at either extreme. Other than that I think this video is awesome, great job. I think Amanda (UK1) and Alex (AU1) played the best games overall
This was a beautiful in depth analysis, to add to your point about befriending a faithful, it helps tremendously if that faithful is viewed as the most trusted faithful (the type of person people say they would trust with their life etc.) as seen with Harry & Molly and Cirie & Andie.
I feel like Sandra’s recent move in US Traitors 2 will, or at least should, define how the game is played by faithfuls. There is a voting block of 5 that would gladly steamroll everyone on their way to the end together, and then there are some leftovers, including the three biggest suspects (Parv, CT, and Phaedra), so Sandra creates a 7 person majority that will protect her from banishments, as she now has the numbers, and will protect her from murders, since she’s useful to the goals of Parv and Phaedra. By keeping the three main suspects under wraps she also protects against any likely recruitment that would take place, allowing her to get to the end and (hopefully) lay out her case against Parv and Phaedra once the traitors lose their powers of murder. Basically, the best way to win as a faithful is to create a mixed alliance and keep in at least two traitors until the endgame
@@well-dressed-bird That crossed my mind too. I think the producers could work away around it. Same way they could show the discussions of traitors by blurring their segments and disguising their voices
It is fascinating how a lot of these tactics also apply to another show from the Dutch speaking countries, The Mole. And how this feels like an upgraded version of the tactics used by the mole and contestants in that show. Especially with regards to confirming others theories, avoiding the limelight and playing it dumb. Just in a group setting instead of individually. And how it mirrors this show in group vs. individual suspicion. Makes you wonder what is in our water to create these kinds of social deduction shows that focus on betrayal ;)
I’m still part way through the video but am absolutely loving it!!! 9:13 is so true, what you said about the traitors needing to be acting two or more steps ahead. Now you mention that, I have definitely heard that phrase up in the tower multiple times, and that is so true for the game play.
Nicely observed thanks. I’ve watched the 2 UK series and think the game is too heavily weighted to traitors winning. I’d like them to change the format to even things out a little. For dramatic effect, they’ll always need at least 1, possibly 2+ traitors in the final. The ability to keep recruiting new traitors skews it too far. Not sure how they could fix it but the traitors have a strong advantage due to their ability to strategise safely, and having more info than faithfuls. The faithfuls only won S1 due to the parting gift from a traitor, which wasn’t really in the rules so most likely won’t happen again.
I’ve watched every English speaking season and it’s easier to spot a recruited traitor based on results so far. so I wouldn’t say it’s skewed in that sense. However yes the show is called the traitors so of course they will have the advantage. I’m sure overtime they will add twists and modify the format!
In my opinion, it really ruined Australia season 1. Like getting another traitor with 6 or 7 left just wasn't fair... and with that being their first season, they didn't have an idea how many started out as traitors or got recruited. They never would've guessed 2 at the end.
@@Jonaelize Jaz was great but he tried to pull the trigger too late. He should have done it when Ross was still in faithful camp. In the end, the best player won....the fact he won bears it out. But Jaz was a great player.
@@ruthking7884 Either that or push harder after last kill. Convince Mollie that Harry's shield plot etc doesn't add up. And then in the final four vote for Harry instead of Andrew, since it is would be easier to have Mollie onboard for the final round and vote out Andrew after Harry.
I have a tip that is said in this video, "dont take things personally" when Brian in season 2 of the uk traitors got called a sheep he got defensive and took it personally then got himself kicked out.
And it’s so stupid because being a sheep is a good thing in the eyes of the traitors and faithfuls, it just means this person is not at all threatening
I follow these strategies a lot when I play among us with my friends and other social deduction games (my friends hate playing social deduction games with me lol, I'm good at them)
Wont there always be at least 2 traitors in the final due to the recruitment rules? And when andrew said maybe there are no traitors left when someone was murdered rhe night before... Massive clue!!!
OMG. This show reminds me the game called "Town of Salem". Every strategy you talked about in this video is implemented in Town of Salem too. In different scenarios, let it be reality tv or online games, humans' behavior pattern remain the same. It's really fascinating. If you liked this show, you should check Town of Salem too. It's basically online "Who is Werewolf(or Mafiosso)" game but much more complex.
I’ve been watching the og version for this show (the Dutch traitors). I’m so happy it’s doing so well worldwide. It’s giving me so much extra content XD. Must say haven’t watched everything yet but UK 1 has been my top for now.
Sometimes being friends with a traitor can get you voted out so that traitor can look more like a Faithful. A tricky game indeed - you can’t be too much of anything including being too middle of the road.
The game has a major flaw - in that the TRAITORS don't actually do anything during the show tasks that is potentially outing. Murders happen too easily (usually). A better adjustment would be that if the TRAITORS last to the end then they don't win the prize pool - the TRAITORS win the pool of money that was missed out on during the show. The means that during every task it's in the TRAITORS interest to sabotage the efforts to reduce the amount won by the FAITHFUL - thus potentially exposing themselves. As it is the FAITHFUL have very little clue as to who is a traitor other than (perhaps) the round table squabbles.
I have a feeling they might rework the format of the show so we don’t know the traitors as a one off for a future season. I think this could make for an exciting series as the audience has gotten used to the format
I love The Traitors, but feel that the Faithful have too little chance to win. The thing I think that would level the playing field is - if for at least the first half of the season, when someone is sent the Death Notice, they have one chance to guess a Traitor. If they guess wrong, they're out as normal, but if they guess right, the Traitor they named is out and they saved themselves by replacing them. Once they reach a predetermined number of contestants left, the rule would be stopped. It would add so much excitement and confusion. Someone who was Faithful one day is now a Traitor. Those who are disappointed they weren't chosen to play Traitor know that there is still a chance. When someone disappears during the night they won't know if it was a murder or a Traitor being replaced. And the big thing is that If a Traitor knows that a Faithful was gunning for them, murdering them would become very dangerous.
Brilliant idea, I was thinking of something similar and you just put it together nicely. Under current format, any rationally thinking and emotionally adept traitor just wins over a great faithful by exploiting other faithfuls/traitors who are easier to manipulate. Imo, Jaz from UK S2 played the best game I have ever seen as a faithful (assuming other faithfuls were rational, which they were not) by making advanced reads, and attacking just at the right time while not making himself a target to traitors, yet even that wasn't enough to win. The traitors having the reward to murder anyone every night without any direct risk just makes it too unfair for me. Because of that, it's almost like as a faithful the best chance of staying alive until the last rounds is to be quiet and reserved, not making any loud, fresh accusations yourself, bc if you are the first to correctly accuse the traitors/even vote them out, you will more than likely be murdered that very night. So there has to be a twist like this so that risk/reward between faithful and traitors is more balanced.
@@Rojk He could not afford to, at least before the final table. He said himself he would get murdered by traitors if he went for them without backing from others too early.
I feel like this show runs on three mentalities: 1. I don't like you so I'll vote for you 2. You voted for me so I'm voting for you even though I just spent 10 minutes detailing why I think it's someone else 3. I don't know so I'll go with the majority
Yah, how does a room of 10-20 people not glance at him once when he’s got that cocky smirk? Honestly Paul was even more obvious. But I guess you can be easily fooled and distracted.
The faithfuls were so oblivious the entire time, hardly any of them got a traitor out without the help of an actual traitor doing most of the work. I feel so bad for Jaz as well, probably one of the only ones that had any clue what was happening lmao. If it were any other faithful other than Mollie at the final then I feel like they could’ve won.
@@freesbiJaz’ issues were that he played things a bit TOO close to his chest to avoid becoming a target, and that he often had a thought and then wouldn’t follow it through. Like he noticed that Harry kept finding traitors but didn’t seem to ever connect that the only way that was possible was Harry being a traitor. I also felt like it was a mistake to vote Andrew out first in the final 4 then target Harry. He was never going to get Molly to send her BFF home, but if they’d got Harry out first there was a better chance to get her to vote for Andrew after.
@@Roda-Fowa I think he was doomed either way. He knew that by accusing Harry at the round table too early would make him a target for murder, but by leaving it too late to bring anything up, Harry had already been cemented as the ‘golden boy’ who had everyone on his side. Even when Jaz was telling Zack n all that about his suspicions, no one believed him. I agree with your point about voting out Andrew first tho. It would’ve ended up as a split vote with 2 votes each for Harry and Andrew, meaning it would’ve been a randomised banishment. I think if Harry ended up being the one banished then Jaz n Mollie would’ve then voted for Andrew and won, but it’d play out the same if Andrew had been selected.
Peters “trap” didn’t narrow down the traitors like he thought sure he told CT Dan and Parvati but his flaw was he also told Jon Bergie and Trishelle (I think) making it so one of the ladder three could purposefully frame one of his first 3 suspects if they were traitors so Peters trap didn’t narrow down much on actuality 😅
Sure but they know it’s Parvati and Dan also voted for Phaedra making her a suspect. The outcome was that they kind of have evidence for all 3 traitors now
@@JustanObservation yes but the evidence for why you narrow it down to Parvati Dan and CT flawed due to the fact Peter told over half the cast about the plan opening the possibility of whose a traitors to all the people he told. I hope what I’m saying makes sense not trying to argue or anything just discussing this great show 😊
Hi. Could you please do a follow- up to this video with Traitors Australia. Especially season 2. Have a few questions * Spoilers * 1. Why do you think none if the faithful were ever able to vote out the traitors even though their names would come up constantly during the discussion. This after the contestants said they've seen the show before 2. How did someone as volatile and flip- floppy as Sarah, make it to the end? 3. Why couldn't Blake and Camille join forces with Sarah to get Sam out? Overall question: which position do you think has an intrinsic advantage to winning the game - a faithful, an original traitor, recruited traitor?
The hardest bit of being a traitor is surviving the other traitors in the end game, your probably better off not recruiting another one at the end and hope you can sneak through.
Yeah, I literally just watch this show for Alan Cumming, I'm not a reality tv fan, but it is fun watching these people try to figure out who's the traitor and fail miserably a lot. The psychology involved is interesting. 1:05 the "bad example" argument is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, it's a reality tv game show, of course it's a bad example of how to behave in real life! Those people also believe that video games cause violence, ugh. Honestly the show might be doing an accidental public service by showing how crappy most people's lie detectors are and how reading body language is mostly bs and that coming to snap judgements about people with limited info will more often than not steer you astray.
You see, there is a Roblox variant of the Traitors, and those kids who I've observed play it, they get everything wrong with how to play. They take those out of the game for dumb reasons and just blab their mouths constantly and are just rude with how they get others out. Like, in my most recent game, I was banished cause someone said I did nothing during the challenge when everyone clearly saw me do the entire challenge single-handed, and I got voted out because they paid attention to the accuser. They don't stop to think otherwise, usually to think, maybe those getting accused are actually faithful because they are focused on getting the easiest target out of the game, when the hardest target could likely be the Traitor hiding among the players.
Another thing I realized is when a traitor votes for a person, so as to go with the group even though everyone else knows that's their most trusted/close ally, they end up looking suspicious to the group when the person turns out to be a faithful and is voted out next. The faithfuls are usually like "Yeah we thought they were a traitor but why did YOU vote for them if they were your most trusted ally?" Then votes them out because they can't give a good reason.😂😂😂
I feel like the traitors did everything “wrong” in AUS season 2. But the cast was so inept and had drunk the Sam koolaid that the traitors could have announced at the roundtable they were the bad guys and still would have won.
1. Pass the vibe check with the normies. First people they banish are those who have something that sets majority off. Fay and Imrand had literally zero chance to defend themselves. They got piled on and that was it.
They are but they usually send the person in last who argued with the one who got murdered or banished the night before for some reason. The last few in to breakfast are usually under suspicion immediately.
There's a show like that? Seriously!¡!! Well, interesting seem for the analysis of psychological archetype and behavioral norms but in other view, the gates of hell are near by the humankind 😂😂😂😂😂
@@JustanObservationit's the best reality TV show that's on, no producers led manipulation for drama like big brother, X factor, Towie or Geordie shore and no staged convos like love island. It's real ppl trying to work out who the traitors are and the traitors trying to stay three steps ahead to outwit them.
I think what was is not mentioned is that you also need some luck. Miles played a good traitor game, but the faithfuls quickly honed in on him giving out a drink to the victim, while the same play by Parvati on the US show 2nd season didn't even register at all with the faithfuls there, even though it was more clumsily executed.
None of my friends believed me that this show was worth watching and now they’re OBSESSED. Top tier reality TV
I'm the same, someone recommended it to me last year and I thought another reality show? Nah, sounds pretty naff but after some persuasion I decided to give it a go and that was it, I'm hooked and also think it's the best reality show ever.
It quickly became my favorite reality competition show, but it has many flaws that me and others don’t like. Still love every minute of it
I think my favourite bit of The Traitors was when people claimed to be body language experts or behavioural experts, to be able to spot a liar... and being completely wrong. It just shows how much of the body language "expertise" spread online is nonsense.
You're wrong. The point of body language isnt that people are able to accurately read body language 100% of the time. Its that body language can be used as indicators of deception, especially if indicators of deception are occuring in clusters or if it deviates from the person's usual body language.
Its kinda funny how the beginning segment of this video is about deception and spreading misinformation, and here you are having fooled 87 people.
Body language is real, as someone with a hard time reading peoples emotional states, or "reading the room", it really does help me know what others are feeling on the inside, in case you were saying it's not real at all, but no, you are right, you can't use it to detect a lie like so many seem to falsely think, and those that claim to be able to are frauds, plain and simple, because it's not the ability to read someone's mind, but it is the ability to read someone's feelings, and lying is not a feeling. Like you can use body language to determine if someone is uncomfortable, like what an honest man or woman may feel when lying, and you can jump to the conclusion that they may be lying to point you in the direction to start finding proof and evidence, but there are many reasons to be uncomfortable, so to assume that one is lying instead of one of the many other reasons, means practically nothing and is honestly pretty manipulative if you use it as hard proof or even subpar evidence of anything, again because it means nothing other than how one feels in the moment.
They had a psychic in Australia who listed 4 people who she claimed to be the traitors. 2 of those were correct. This was on like day 2, with 20 potential traitors. Pretty impressive. Obviously she's not a real psychic, but good experts on body language have an advantage.
Mark in the same season was a even bigger star, but of course they killed him off since he was too good.
Is it nonsense or is it just that these people were not as good at reading body language as they thought they were?
I’m really interested to see how the players evolve as the series goes on. With each new season, they will learn new strategies and notice how people are playing the game. It’s going to be fascinating to watch.
You made a key point about the traitors' strategy near the end game. You need to eliminate a traitor to give comfort to the rest that they've "got them all". This is what Andrew failed to spot in series 2. He could have told Evie the shield strategy that Harry used to get her on his side. Jaz already suspected Harry so that would have been 3/5 against Harry.
do the faithfuls know how many traitors there are?
@@vincenturquhart1370No, they don't. Sometimes the game started with 3 traitors, sometimes with 4, and sometimes with 2 and they recruited 1 on the 1st day. But no faithful knows that. Add to that that the traitors have sometimes an option to recruit someone during the game (usually when their numbers are too low vs the faithfuls).
@@Jonaelize Harry's plan to not tell anyone he got the shield, and make it look like the Traitors tried to banish him, when he actually recruited, was very clever. He'd won the game from that moment on. The rest of the episodes were just killing time before the end.
@@vincenturquhart1370 no
The hard part is when the betrayed traitor at the end of the game tries to give up your cover. Sometimes it works and with cirie and Harry, it didn’t work so they won. It takes great manipulation of the end game faithfuls by the traitor.
I love that Kieran’s “parting gift” line is now just becoming the slang term for outing a traitor who’s turned on you 😂 iconic line 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Iconic line, but sore loser.
I only just discovered this show a few weeks ago and already finished watched every English speaking language version of the show. It's clear to say I'm totally obsessed. I thoroughly enjoyed your breakdown of the show
I've realised too that it's actually pointless trying to get a Traitor out during the early part of the game. You might as well just vote out the people who do badly in the Missions. This will give you time to build up a dossier of evidence on the people you suspect most. If you get a Traitor out too early, everyone might be celebrating, but the Host will just ask the remaining Traitors to recruit a new Traitor, so the Faithful will end up being no further forward!
I think in reality, if you suggest that idea it will just make you look very cold and calculating, which will make others suspect you as a traitor.
@@Freakinawesome333 Then suggest it BEFORE the initial round-table when the Traitors get picked!
@@gary.h.turnerwhich would still add suspicion unto YOU for coming up with that idea to begin with. And regardless as to whether or not you are a Traitor, coming up with that kind of idea is grounds for banishment.
Bottom line: keep that idea to yourself to prevent you from getting voted off mate
Also, an important point to note as a Traitor: the Faithfuls will, most of the time, go with the first bit of evidence theyre presented with and the loudest theory involving it, so any plan that relies on them uncovering a clever “hidden” plan over accepting the easiest explanation probably won’t work how you want it to
It’s hard to pinpoint a definite strategy. I’ve watched 5 franchises and it really comes down to the games you are in. The New Zealand faithfuls were probably the most switched on, whilst the Australian season 2 were the worst I’ve watched.
It’ll be interesting to watch the show develop. I just really really hope it doesn’t become too over produced. There a freshness to the traitors that I hope we don’t lose too soon.
The Australia season 2 was a joke in all honesty
@@CreyyGDCould say the same about US season 2 so far. UK season 2 was the best in my opinion.
@@Jonaelize US season 2 is easily one of the best in the franchise. You must mean season 1.
@@Shane3125 No, I agree UK season 2 is for me, the best. Harry owned that game.
The Aussies were dummys but it was the best show in the franchise.
Sam was awesome.
I think most of these are great points but one I disagree with is being a traitor who leads the charge against another traitor. I think once people had seen the first seasons then it became obvious that traitors target other traitors. If you’ve been very passive at roundtables and then suddenly you take the lead and it just so happens to be a traitor, that will stick out to the smarter people in the room (it’s what happened in UK2 to Paul and it’s what should’ve happened to Harry). It also comes with the risk of them flipping it back onto you (as Miles nearly did to Paul). Also, people expect the most successful traitor hunters to be murdered, so that would turn heads. Conversely, you can’t suddenly flip on them, you have to find the balance of participating enough in the pileup against them to seem part of the group but not be at either extreme.
Other than that I think this video is awesome, great job.
I think Amanda (UK1) and Alex (AU1) played the best games overall
This was a beautiful in depth analysis, to add to your point about befriending a faithful, it helps tremendously if that faithful is viewed as the most trusted faithful (the type of person people say they would trust with their life etc.) as seen with Harry & Molly and Cirie & Andie.
I feel like Sandra’s recent move in US Traitors 2 will, or at least should, define how the game is played by faithfuls. There is a voting block of 5 that would gladly steamroll everyone on their way to the end together, and then there are some leftovers, including the three biggest suspects (Parv, CT, and Phaedra), so Sandra creates a 7 person majority that will protect her from banishments, as she now has the numbers, and will protect her from murders, since she’s useful to the goals of Parv and Phaedra. By keeping the three main suspects under wraps she also protects against any likely recruitment that would take place, allowing her to get to the end and (hopefully) lay out her case against Parv and Phaedra once the traitors lose their powers of murder. Basically, the best way to win as a faithful is to create a mixed alliance and keep in at least two traitors until the endgame
A season where they somehow manage to hide the traitors from the viewers would be awesome
Seems like you'd probably get zero confessionals if they did that. But I believe there was once a show like that before called whodunit.
Watch the mole
@@Benn847 I’ll look it up
@@well-dressed-bird That crossed my mind too. I think the producers could work away around it. Same way they could show the discussions of traitors by blurring their segments and disguising their voices
@@Gabreyes093 if you can find it. Aus 2014. From memory it was a good season curious if it still holds up a decade later
Great video. You made some really solid points. I expect in S3 of the show the Traitors turning on Traitors aspect to be seen as more suspicious.
It was obvious towards the end of UK Season 2 but Mollie just couldn't use basic logic.
It is fascinating how a lot of these tactics also apply to another show from the Dutch speaking countries, The Mole. And how this feels like an upgraded version of the tactics used by the mole and contestants in that show. Especially with regards to confirming others theories, avoiding the limelight and playing it dumb. Just in a group setting instead of individually. And how it mirrors this show in group vs. individual suspicion. Makes you wonder what is in our water to create these kinds of social deduction shows that focus on betrayal ;)
I think traitors is an adaption of the Mole.
@@DSQueenie From what I remember you might be right. Flemish Mole -> Dutch Mole -> Traitors is how it went, I think.
There is a game people play called either Mafia or Werewolf that is basically what the Traitors is. @@DSQueenie
Great video! The show is surprisingly good for reality tv
I’m still part way through the video but am absolutely loving it!!! 9:13 is so true, what you said about the traitors needing to be acting two or more steps ahead. Now you mention that, I have definitely heard that phrase up in the tower multiple times, and that is so true for the game play.
Nicely observed thanks. I’ve watched the 2 UK series and think the game is too heavily weighted to traitors winning. I’d like them to change the format to even things out a little. For dramatic effect, they’ll always need at least 1, possibly 2+ traitors in the final. The ability to keep recruiting new traitors skews it too far. Not sure how they could fix it but the traitors have a strong advantage due to their ability to strategise safely, and having more info than faithfuls. The faithfuls only won S1 due to the parting gift from a traitor, which wasn’t really in the rules so most likely won’t happen again.
I’ve watched every English speaking season and it’s easier to spot a recruited traitor based on results so far. so I wouldn’t say it’s skewed in that sense. However yes the show is called the traitors so of course they will have the advantage. I’m sure overtime they will add twists and modify the format!
In my opinion, it really ruined Australia season 1. Like getting another traitor with 6 or 7 left just wasn't fair... and with that being their first season, they didn't have an idea how many started out as traitors or got recruited. They never would've guessed 2 at the end.
Paul's 'double bluff" run circled back on him and just became consecutive obvious tells lol (Jaz is the greates player)
Jaz was awesome. Sadly Mollie was rather naive and too trustworthy. But it seems the winning strategy to have 1-2 gullible people with you at the end.
@@Jonaelize Jaz was great but he tried to pull the trigger too late. He should have done it when Ross was still in faithful camp. In the end, the best player won....the fact he won bears it out. But Jaz was a great player.
@@ruthking7884 Either that or push harder after last kill. Convince Mollie that Harry's shield plot etc doesn't add up. And then in the final four vote for Harry instead of Andrew, since it is would be easier to have Mollie onboard for the final round and vote out Andrew after Harry.
The shade you put on Diane was so well deserved and so well done
Very interesting video! This format makes for such an interesting game and it’s cool to see strategies evolving from season to season.
brilliant video! such succinct analysis
excellent analysis as always!
I have a tip that is said in this video, "dont take things personally" when Brian in season 2 of the uk traitors got called a sheep he got defensive and took it personally then got himself kicked out.
And it’s so stupid because being a sheep is a good thing in the eyes of the traitors and faithfuls, it just means this person is not at all threatening
I normally dislike realiry shows, but the premise of Werewolf (the drinking game) turned into social experiment is too intriguing.
I follow these strategies a lot when I play among us with my friends and other social deduction games (my friends hate playing social deduction games with me lol, I'm good at them)
Wont there always be at least 2 traitors in the final due to the recruitment rules?
And when andrew said maybe there are no traitors left when someone was murdered rhe night before... Massive clue!!!
lol yeah
In the finale episode yes but not at the fire pit. Kate was the only traitor left at the end of US S2
OMG. This show reminds me the game called "Town of Salem". Every strategy you talked about in this video is implemented in Town of Salem too. In different scenarios, let it be reality tv or online games, humans' behavior pattern remain the same. It's really fascinating.
If you liked this show, you should check Town of Salem too. It's basically online "Who is Werewolf(or Mafiosso)" game but much more complex.
I think this show is based on the classic mafia/werewolf game
I’ve been watching the og version for this show (the Dutch traitors). I’m so happy it’s doing so well worldwide. It’s giving me so much extra content XD. Must say haven’t watched everything yet but UK 1 has been my top for now.
Sometimes being friends with a traitor can get you voted out so that traitor can look more like a Faithful. A tricky game indeed - you can’t be too much of anything including being too middle of the road.
The game has a major flaw - in that the TRAITORS don't actually do anything during the show tasks that is potentially outing. Murders happen too easily (usually).
A better adjustment would be that if the TRAITORS last to the end then they don't win the prize pool - the TRAITORS win the pool of money that was missed out on during the show. The means that during every task it's in the TRAITORS interest to sabotage the efforts to reduce the amount won by the FAITHFUL - thus potentially exposing themselves.
As it is the FAITHFUL have very little clue as to who is a traitor other than (perhaps) the round table squabbles.
I have a feeling they might rework the format of the show so we don’t know the traitors as a one off for a future season. I think this could make for an exciting series as the audience has gotten used to the format
I love The Traitors, but feel that the Faithful have too little chance to win. The thing I think that would level the playing field is - if for at least the first half of the season, when someone is sent the Death Notice, they have one chance to guess a Traitor. If they guess wrong, they're out as normal, but if they guess right, the Traitor they named is out and they saved themselves by replacing them. Once they reach a predetermined number of contestants left, the rule would be stopped.
It would add so much excitement and confusion. Someone who was Faithful one day is now a Traitor. Those who are disappointed they weren't chosen to play Traitor know that there is still a chance. When someone disappears during the night they won't know if it was a murder or a Traitor being replaced. And the big thing is that If a Traitor knows that a Faithful was gunning for them, murdering them would become very dangerous.
Brilliant idea, I was thinking of something similar and you just put it together nicely. Under current format, any rationally thinking and emotionally adept traitor just wins over a great faithful by exploiting other faithfuls/traitors who are easier to manipulate. Imo, Jaz from UK S2 played the best game I have ever seen as a faithful (assuming other faithfuls were rational, which they were not) by making advanced reads, and attacking just at the right time while not making himself a target to traitors, yet even that wasn't enough to win. The traitors having the reward to murder anyone every night without any direct risk just makes it too unfair for me. Because of that, it's almost like as a faithful the best chance of staying alive until the last rounds is to be quiet and reserved, not making any loud, fresh accusations yourself, bc if you are the first to correctly accuse the traitors/even vote them out, you will more than likely be murdered that very night. So there has to be a twist like this so that risk/reward between faithful and traitors is more balanced.
no mention of Cirie in here when she played a perfect traitor game 💔
Cirie was the best. Just as good as Harry, even more so since she got 2 people to completely trust her. Harry only had Mollie.
JUSTICE FOR JAZ! He was such a great faithful.
At the same no impact to whatever happened. Who took out the traitors? The other traitors.
@@Rojk He could not afford to, at least before the final table. He said himself he would get murdered by traitors if he went for them without backing from others too early.
Great video
Is that John Bercow, the former speaker of the Houses of Parliament?
I feel like this show runs on three mentalities:
1. I don't like you so I'll vote for you
2. You voted for me so I'm voting for you even though I just spent 10 minutes detailing why I think it's someone else
3. I don't know so I'll go with the majority
group think always shines through....especially during the first half.
I can’t believe they did not get Harry, so smirky!
Yah, how does a room of 10-20 people not glance at him once when he’s got that cocky smirk? Honestly Paul was even more obvious. But I guess you can be easily fooled and distracted.
The faithfuls were so oblivious the entire time, hardly any of them got a traitor out without the help of an actual traitor doing most of the work. I feel so bad for Jaz as well, probably one of the only ones that had any clue what was happening lmao. If it were any other faithful other than Mollie at the final then I feel like they could’ve won.
@@freesbiJaz’ issues were that he played things a bit TOO close to his chest to avoid becoming a target, and that he often had a thought and then wouldn’t follow it through. Like he noticed that Harry kept finding traitors but didn’t seem to ever connect that the only way that was possible was Harry being a traitor.
I also felt like it was a mistake to vote Andrew out first in the final 4 then target Harry. He was never going to get Molly to send her BFF home, but if they’d got Harry out first there was a better chance to get her to vote for Andrew after.
@@Roda-Fowa I think he was doomed either way. He knew that by accusing Harry at the round table too early would make him a target for murder, but by leaving it too late to bring anything up, Harry had already been cemented as the ‘golden boy’ who had everyone on his side. Even when Jaz was telling Zack n all that about his suspicions, no one believed him.
I agree with your point about voting out Andrew first tho. It would’ve ended up as a split vote with 2 votes each for Harry and Andrew, meaning it would’ve been a randomised banishment. I think if Harry ended up being the one banished then Jaz n Mollie would’ve then voted for Andrew and won, but it’d play out the same if Andrew had been selected.
He wasn’t that bad. Have you seen AUS2 lol???
Look, it's "Blood on the Clocktower: the tv show"
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EXCELLENT
I wonder if someone will ever acuse themself of being a traitor in order to confuse everyone and to stay in the game🤔
You're not allowed to insinuate or flat out tell people that you're the traitor. At least not in the Dutch version
They can't. As well as they can't flat out tell people which other people are traitors.
This should be recalled “The Workplace.”
Great job. Love this show. You should do some on Traitors AU Season 2 and Traitors NZ season 1. Respectively the best and worst group of faithfuls.
Peters “trap” didn’t narrow down the traitors like he thought sure he told CT Dan and Parvati but his flaw was he also told Jon Bergie and Trishelle (I think) making it so one of the ladder three could purposefully frame one of his first 3 suspects if they were traitors so Peters trap didn’t narrow down much on actuality 😅
Sure but they know it’s Parvati and Dan also voted for Phaedra making her a suspect. The outcome was that they kind of have evidence for all 3 traitors now
@@JustanObservation yes but the evidence for why you narrow it down to Parvati Dan and CT flawed due to the fact Peter told over half the cast about the plan opening the possibility of whose a traitors to all the people he told. I hope what I’m saying makes sense not trying to argue or anything just discussing this great show 😊
12:20 -ish I think I wouldn't have suspicions but out of a philosophy of that giving power to the traitors.
Omg, you are awwsome!
Hi. Could you please do a follow- up to this video with Traitors Australia. Especially season 2. Have a few questions
* Spoilers *
1. Why do you think none if the faithful were ever able to vote out the traitors even though their names would come up constantly during the discussion. This after the contestants said they've seen the show before
2. How did someone as volatile and flip- floppy as Sarah, make it to the end?
3. Why couldn't Blake and Camille join forces with Sarah to get Sam out?
Overall question: which position do you think has an intrinsic advantage to winning the game - a faithful, an original traitor, recruited traitor?
The hardest bit of being a traitor is surviving the other traitors in the end game, your probably better off not recruiting another one at the end and hope you can sneak through.
Do you have an updated version after Australian edition?
I'd love to know what you think of the second series of the Australian Traitors. An absolute car crash from the Faithful.
An instruction manual on how not to be a faithful
Where will season 2 UK Traitors be available to stream and when!?
All episodes from S02 are available on dailymotion!!
How To Win The Traitors: "Befriend a Traitor"
Me: "Well that's hard to do if you don't even know who the traitors are"
can you do a breakdown of Saltburn... that will get you a million views, just watch!
Banishments are my favorite part but I think the end game needs a rework. Its such a great show and concept though.
Yeah, I literally just watch this show for Alan Cumming, I'm not a reality tv fan, but it is fun watching these people try to figure out who's the traitor and fail miserably a lot. The psychology involved is interesting. 1:05 the "bad example" argument is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, it's a reality tv game show, of course it's a bad example of how to behave in real life! Those people also believe that video games cause violence, ugh. Honestly the show might be doing an accidental public service by showing how crappy most people's lie detectors are and how reading body language is mostly bs and that coming to snap judgements about people with limited info will more often than not steer you astray.
You see, there is a Roblox variant of the Traitors, and those kids who I've observed play it, they get everything wrong with how to play. They take those out of the game for dumb reasons and just blab their mouths constantly and are just rude with how they get others out. Like, in my most recent game, I was banished cause someone said I did nothing during the challenge when everyone clearly saw me do the entire challenge single-handed, and I got voted out because they paid attention to the accuser. They don't stop to think otherwise, usually to think, maybe those getting accused are actually faithful because they are focused on getting the easiest target out of the game, when the hardest target could likely be the Traitor hiding among the players.
I REALLY want to watch this video, but I haven't watched neither of the 2nd seasons...
Another thing I realized is when a traitor votes for a person, so as to go with the group even though everyone else knows that's their most trusted/close ally, they end up looking suspicious to the group when the person turns out to be a faithful and is voted out next. The faithfuls are usually like "Yeah we thought they were a traitor but why did YOU vote for them if they were your most trusted ally?" Then votes them out because they can't give a good reason.😂😂😂
What a brilliant video holy fuck
im just prepping for a game I'd never play lmao
you can apply to play it
I think you have to just act confused all the time
I feel like the traitors did everything “wrong” in AUS season 2. But the cast was so inept and had drunk the Sam koolaid that the traitors could have announced at the roundtable they were the bad guys and still would have won.
The "Confirm" didn't work for Dan in season US Season 2. Haha!!!
the premise of traitors sounds like liar game
How to win the Traitors: Don't have your name written down.
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This is blood on the clocktower irl lol
Me and a group of others are running a traitors season on discord
No
Real lies deceit and of course, real money.
How to win as a Traitor: have a bunch of really stupid Faithfuls (as seen by the Traitors AU season 2)
I enjoyed watching the show but at the same time annoyed me so much like it was so much crying like they forgot it was all a game
They must screen for highly emotional people to be on these shows. I couldn’t start crying over a game
I prefer Traitors Australia.
THIS IS T.V
Sounds like werewolf
Read art of war and 48 laws of power you will win this show
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1. Pass the vibe check with the normies. First people they banish are those who have something that sets majority off. Fay and Imrand had literally zero chance to defend themselves. They got piled on and that was it.
Fay wasn't banished, she made it through initial suspicions and was murdered near the end.
@@footyeditso66 oh, I meant Nicky. I have no idea how I got those 2 mixed 🤦. Still she had 0 chance to defend herself.
I mean nobody bitched about Among Us
You missed the most obvious evidence. Track who comes late to breakfast. They are faithful.
They actually fixed this in the second season on both the UK and the US version when sometimes a traitor will be the last to enter.
They are but they usually send the person in last who argued with the one who got murdered or banished the night before for some reason.
The last few in to breakfast are usually under suspicion immediately.
@@Dee_Lite263 yep. the production team is trolling with the faithfuls
It's only editing guys! 😅
I Love the Traitors. This is a cynical show for cynical people.
Alyssa was a terrible traitor 😄
She was more see through than a fish tank.
She was young… she wasn’t used to being around adults 😂
First!
First
Second, but incredibly close!
There's a show like that? Seriously!¡!! Well, interesting seem for the analysis of psychological archetype and behavioral norms but in other view, the gates of hell are near by the humankind 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm torn on this video - I like this channel, but loathe reality TV. Not a fan if this is a new direction, but maybe works as a one-off
It’s a one off as it’s the only reality show in which I’m interested in the themes
Trust me Traitors is really good.
@@JustanObservationit's the best reality TV show that's on, no producers led manipulation for drama like big brother, X factor, Towie or Geordie shore and no staged convos like love island.
It's real ppl trying to work out who the traitors are and the traitors trying to stay three steps ahead to outwit them.
video called how to win the traitors, then advises you do what the traitors who LOST the game did. ?????
what part exactly are you talking about?
it doesn't mean that everything they did was bad.
I think what was is not mentioned is that you also need some luck. Miles played a good traitor game, but the faithfuls quickly honed in on him giving out a drink to the victim, while the same play by Parvati on the US show 2nd season didn't even register at all with the faithfuls there, even though it was more clumsily executed.